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I'm sad, be my going to lie, I'm sad that we lost today, we lost again that we probably

shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless and it's just sad, I'm also sad because

this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026, from here

on out, it's just going to be football, football, football, which is great, which I love

talking about, but the book I see has ended a little too prematurely for me today and just

sad, you know, you being the ex great player that you were, I'm more interested in your

thoughts initially because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on

the board thought and for some reason, you know who's going to allow the ire who's catching

a lot of the flack of the game is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is, I find absolute

bizarre because I actually thought he played pretty good today and, you know, I mean, other

than most believe clearly was our best player, I thought Tilly might have been our second

or worst third best player, but for some reason, he's just catching straight from him and

I just wondered, when you were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly

is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the first half was bad and so Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his part

in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No, but he was being goofy

and he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's

an OK player. He has some skill for his size, but man, it's just like he needs to play bigger.

He needs to be more physical consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complain

about Tilly finishing around a rim stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like

dude, like, but he is who he is. He average 11 points a game this year and he ain't, and

he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six. He averaged two

to six. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half. I'll

give him that. I mean, I mean, you know, I just I just feel like like, man, when you're

looking for super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved

over their season averages as the problem for the game. Like I felt the refs were letting

them play at an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that

under Doha's state's benefit. I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with

a lot and then at the end of the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they

called, you know, one, we're up three and they called a three point play. I'm barely

any contact and all that. I thought it was a little incongruent. But yeah, no, I mean,

I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game,

you lose a two point game. You have the all time leading scored in the history of a

state basketball who averages 20 points a game. And he has one basket in the second half

of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That

is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points. One of the all time

leading score in Ohio State history in a game. And, you know, Bruce Thornton, I couldn't,

I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game ever at Ohio State? Maybe, maybe. No, I

mean, he picked, he picked, he picked the peculiar. I mean, there's never been a bigger game

than he's played worse. You know, I'm saying because I mean, there you go. I mean, I think

I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all time leading score in school history, the all time leading

score. And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket in the second half. I mean, I

don't, but we're talking about Christoph Tilley. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm just confused to

be honest with him. Now, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilley is the number

one guy like, Oh, it was Tilley. I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better

in the first half. Like, but that's just a carry over complaint from me. I like Tilley,

but I don't love Tilley because of the stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first

person I'm calling out is Tilley. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton. And we'll just

talk about the game. So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new.

I mean, teams of like all through the schedule, blitz, Bruce Thornton, double shading.

I just think about it. We mostly talk about football. So who are you football people?

Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right? Rolling coverage over to to Jeremiah Smith's side.

Think about it like that. If you don't know basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton

get the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him. When he would penetrate, they would

shade over. It was like, it had like a, like a diamond, like following him around. If you

look at what TCU was doing, the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of

the guys beat you. That was the game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada,

it's tough. You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over

and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're when that,

when you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane,

you have to attack. And when you attack, you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean.

I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated. He was frustrated when he did have

opportunities later in the game. To me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make.

He's very smart, like going into the body of punch. Instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot

shot that he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the

game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out

with the same physicality. TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have,

they've been in the tournament in the recent years. We have it. We came out like we, you know,

like the stage was big. Now obviously we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game.

But that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of

the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back. But it just wasn't

enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing because I love

Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton

is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent. But I think today showed

why yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years. He's been consistent. Great

kid. He stayed with a house state. But he's not he's not he's not Michael Red. He's not Mike Conley.

He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level. Because again, even with that attention on him,

yes, be patient. Get it to your guys, but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and

still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead. I know you want

to jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. I just, you know, I know enough about

basketball from having played not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life.

And I haven't coached, not at the highest level, coached a lot of basketball in my life,

that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that

Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look at

then he would go stand in the corner. And they had completely buffaloed. And at that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming,

the whole first half, I'm like, get let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball

out of his hands. You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I'd

literally recognize at 1733 to go in the first first half, it took it. Once we switched to

mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing.

How can I just I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out?

I just I'm just I'm really struggling with it. Look, if somebody's going to take something

away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth

of that over and over and over again, because clearly the authority didn't have it, whether he was

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He couldn't beat anybody off the dribbling. I say, I'm like, why are we slowing the game down?

Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down at the clock

and then running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up? You know what I'm saying?

I'm like, man, we have got to attack the Mimini people saying, oh, we don't attack or how

state doesn't it? We don't. That's not what we plan. I'm like, you have to play that way.

You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you. When you've got the ball, I mean,

Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner.

He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody

off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today, not not once.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of problems for

everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we switched

them all, though, everything's switched. And I just don't understand why Jake Dieber, who I like

Jake Dieber, I want Jake Dieber to be successful. How can you go that long and not see what is

obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later. Like you said, I saw him starting to

bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose.

Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later. And so I think to ask you a question,

I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player.

Let him work through it. Let him make, you know, good decisions through it and press through it.

And that's what I think Dieber was thinking. But it just obviously, it just didn't work well.

But yes, running the offense through Moby was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense

and getting things going. But not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first

half. And it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit

in the second half, they stepped up, started playing much better. You know, started matching that

physicality. TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can honestly, bro, we can

talk about, unless you got more to say about that, we can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left. And what happened on that play. And I mean,

that was, that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into

that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat, the group chat that you can't

give up that position. Now, Bynum is a freshman. He's a, he's a pretty big physical kid. And that

TCU kid is no, no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we

played good defense on punch on that play, but that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in

the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him. But that was just tough,

man. Nevada, what you got? Well, you know, I'm, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Bynum,

you know, play a little bit or defense on that. Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good

play by TCU. I mean, he was able to wall him off. And look, they got a, they got a great shot in

that situation. I just, again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock,

and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference. But if

they run it down to the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't

advance the ball, I'm telling, I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've

got to get the ball across half court. And then we call the time out. You know what I'm saying? Like,

anything you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court. And then you call the time out.

I think, you know, but again, that's, that's the kind of thing that this isn't a second guess.

This was something I was saying in numbers 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like,

you've got to anticipate that. And you got to be telling the guys, look, when this happens,

you know, if they score, get it into the front court, let's call time out, let's get something

set up. Let's run a play. He was obviously what they were doing. They're coming in high to

Tilly. He was going to go back to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit

kind of an Evan Turner, you know, jumper. But, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you

can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad,

I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play. But I think the setup to that

could have been better, you know, which goes to the whole day. I felt like the entire day,

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel like we came out

with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we

really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally, you know, game. It's literally

the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just, you know, to me,

I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach.

And I think his inexperience showed. And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been,

you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely, I think we got to give DiBler more time.

Now I'm not sure. I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing.

Because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary

that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his ability to say a head coach. Maybe

that's fair, maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. I hear you. Here's the last play.

So I think you know it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced.

So I was kind of trippin' to myself like, some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up. I mean,

there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was,

it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy. I would have gave it to Moby in this situation.

I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter.

Like, I would, if you're going to draw that up, I would have drew it up for Moby. Not only that,

but the other team is looking for your senior, your all-time leading scorer to get the ball.

And you see there's two guys on them. And so I don't know. That's just me. But yes, I agree

that, and I don't even want to say the hindsight, but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have

one time out left, just signal to your guys, get it across, get it across. You know, that should be

something you do in practice in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance

to come off the screen and get a clean look for three, you know, or even throw it down low

to get a foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap barring a miracle,

but unfortunate. Now, as far as what you said about Debler,

yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think

he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation success-wise. Maybe

if he was brought in three years after the hope, and like he went to a max school, cut his teeth,

came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good coach.

He's bright, but today probably showed, like you said, his efficiencies that he's still learning.

And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like

Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip,

and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him with

everything he needs to get players on this roster. Period. Now, I told you all, I just want

Buckeye basketball to be a league. I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships,

like under that motto, you know, like how we work. Consistently, sweet 16, or you know,

like in the tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay,

but who are we going to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying,

it better be somebody good, better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program

behind them. Period. I don't care who it is. Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to

step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be

fair. Debler is, you know, he made, he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing

and arrived a little early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full,

you know, deep roster. He hasn't. He has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides,

but either way, I want it fixed. The question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the

brass Nevada, by the Buckeye, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big

10 games we wanted for seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him,

they respond to him. We got to McDonald's all American coming next year. Let's keep building this.

Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to

get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another

year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on on that? Well, I mean, I guess,

I mean, the question I asked is like, I'm real high estate and you can talk about the roster and

and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do? I mean, you know,

I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but yeah, I mean, because high points

really didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base or you

know, I'm saying none of that, but you know, they managed to put the other team and you know,

beep was kind. I know it's one game and everything else like that, but it's just, you know, you just

wonder, you know, are you getting better? Are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I

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wherever you get your podcasts. You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were

last year. But, you know, it's deeper the guide. You know, are you delaying the inevitable?

Do you see Jake Gieber? Yeah, I guess the question would be, like, do you think Jake Gieber will be

the head coach here at Ohio State in five years or 10 years? Do you think he's got that kind of

longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical.

But it's one of those things where I just don't know. And like I said, I'm willing to ride with

a lot of things regarding, you know, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in,

you know, it's not the Xs and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to perform.

But in basketball of all the games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they affect

everything and in-bounds plays on rotations with switching defense. And there's all sorts of

things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so,

you know, a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be,

like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on

the mobile his hands. I mean, I get, you know, trying to play rhythm. If the thing about what you

said, if everything you're saying, you're just, they're playing two guys over the top on them.

They're shaking the entire defense. They're playing a triangle over the top. I mean,

then how do you have that guy just keep running into that vast front over and over and over again?

When you've got, you know, a player mobile, who can get it done, you know, I'm sound like he's

a guy. He's a viable option. It's all like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know,

so far this year. I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That,

that's the thing that's kind of confounding way more of the sort than the, you know, the play design.

I'm the last play or, you know, should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other,

or even his rotations. I mean, even getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did.

I just, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to mobility?

Who least score or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't

know, you know, any option you had was bad. That one, four point three seconds. Basically, we've all

seen the Christian Latener thing and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard.

Right. It's, it's really, really hard. And it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage

play. No matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, um, but I don't know. I, I, I, let me

put you, if I'm on high state, I am definitely working the following to see who's available.

And working to see if there is an upgrade for it because, um, I think you're really at an

inflection point with the program right now. And, uh, if you're going to make a move, I think

this is the time to make it. I don't, I don't think, so if you're not going to keep them long term,

then I think you get rid of them now. Okay. I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on.

Yeah. Question is will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will.

And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about

with Bruce Jordan. Look at the, look at the, the, the, the lack of hesitant. Like he just, he just,

I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player,

the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate. Pull it up. Like it was needed.

Like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leader should be doing. And to

me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was. But

you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you,

make the right play, I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive.

And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it. Boom. Like that was

needed throughout the entire game to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada.

I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point. I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to

by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway. And shoot,

Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament, you better come ready. You better

be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get, we get

reminded of how, how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams and

twelves take out fives and whatever. But I don't know, Nevada. I mean, the question for me is,

what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep Dealer.

I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of Dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone

who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know what? He might

be okay. No. If you fire Dealer, go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be in football.

And go get somebody that says, this is a home run higher. And this is it, Nevada. Do you think

they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident

in this administration to do that in basketball as, as I am in football. You know what I'm saying?

So this is like, I just don't know. Oh, um, I just give you a fun fact, a little fun stat.

And just, and then I'll give that to the question. Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the,

his first three point of the game in 33, 33 seconds into the game and then hit his last three

pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period of time, between that period of time,

he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first crazy, between,

three or three seconds left. So in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? And it's just like that can't happen. No, no, no.

Look, I mean, 39 minutes, one basket and two free throws. That's all that that was it.

And so, but, but yeah, I mean, look, cano house, they do it. Absolutely. I mean,

like, Ohio State just signed Nadine Museroll, uh, their hockey coach to a new five-year contract,

you know, keeping her away from Minnesota. I mean, they, Ohio State can do whatever they want.

And basketball, basketball's not in a relevant sport. We're not talking about, you know, archery

or, you know, fencing or something like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about

basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've

got a decent team. There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities.

They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of

success in recent success. So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after

it and trying to see what's available because, you know, I want to see what options they might have

for this. Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence, for sure. Like I said,

to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously, basketball is not football, but it's not,

I don't know, rifle, or they actually won national championships at a Ohio State or good too,

but you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like, I get that. I understand that. But to me,

I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis

on the basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible. You sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's a

Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks. And it was an

emotional roller coaster today. We're down 15 at the have. I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people,

boring a small miracle, this game is over, which I still stand by that because to me, I was being

able to come back like we did with a small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first

half. But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then came crashing down at the end,

and it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program

past four years. The first time in the tournament in the past four years is tough in itself.

So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question mark for me. What are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIL funds, portal,

you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in

and plug and play and make a big impact and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that's

pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah, now I think I'm going to go

with my final answer being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely

testing the lines with the with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State

really looking forward. But I just I think something like this. I think I'll have state fans,

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But, you know, something like this where, you know, you're right, the first half, it looked

like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and

felt like it could have been higher than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five-point lead

in the second half. And then, you know, you, you, you know, to have, I feel like it was our,

it was our lack of experience. And, and I mean, I gotta say it, coaching. I really think coaching

costs us today. I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today.

I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA, even if we think if we had Chris Holman, I think we'd have won

the game for that. But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know.

But I, I, I, I thought, I thought deeper was really bad that I, and I, and I've ruined it for

I like deeper. I, you know, I like that I loved it. Love's brother. I want deeper to be it. But I

just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our in-bounce play, you know, like one thing he'd

been really making his bones on is how many, you know, how often we'd scored off of in-bounce plays

and stuff. And I, I didn't even like our in-bounce plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive

sets. I didn't like the way we were doing it. Just, it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, um, you

know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, Chris, I was there. And so I'm going to go with,

my final answer is going to be a house. It's going to be looking. But I'm going to, I'll,

I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their, if they're making calls because this is,

this is when they start making them was right now. Yes. I was going to say, please,

holler at your sources because I want to know, I want to know, um, you know, because again,

I just, my confidence is through the roof with a house they footballed doing whatever it takes to

get to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So, yes,

please keep us posted on that Nevada. But, um, before we close out, I did want to bring out one

thing that's non basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share

my screen real quick. And, um, the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament

time. And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see

the incident that proves changes to targeting suspension in one year trial? So, here it is.

For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football

player off the field for the following game. The division one football, the subdivision oversight

committee on Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first

targeting penalty. For the 26 season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the

season can participate in the following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which

half the targeting penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season

will be required to sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third

targeting of the season must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no

players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the 2020 2025 season. So, to me,

this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe

has hated it. He's been pounding the table. Others haven't mentioned it. I thought this was

interesting. Okay. So, I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada,

what's your thoughts on this, brother? Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period.

So, let me just say, let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws in targeting. Targeting

was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And it's

like that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes,

I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of a targeting. We know it when we see

it. So, if you have a hit and you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a house they've

been, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits were

at the last second, a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side. You know,

I'm saying something like that. That to me is not targeting until so until they I like the

intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But I think

until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the when you slow everything

down to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact almost every single play.

You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head

on 90% of the same. You know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand,

it could be your shoulder, it could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact with

the head or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're

going and doing the review like that, I really think it's just got to be I've always felt like

there should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a

five yard. I don't know. I don't know what exactly what the answer is. But I think it's just I

don't like the application of the rule in general. The way that they do it. Because I think about

that that game that we played against Clemson when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty

on the side way on the side way on the on the sack of Trevor like to be there is no way in the

world that is targeting. But that got called for targeting. And so until you address that to me

that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty, third period, one game,

half game, no game, whatever. I just hate the rule period. And you know until they change that

then, you know, I don't know where to go with that. I mean, what do you think about targeting?

What do you ask? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules

been been called in recent years? I mean, you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up

that shine weight targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the crown jewel of terribleness when

it comes to targeting. And it's no it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head.

Sunshine dropped his head right at the moment when shine weight was coming. If he doesn't drop his

head, they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting.

Like to me there has to be common sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head.

Like come on, man. Like listen, I one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's a it's a it's a

the rule is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and

then another guy another game through the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind.

I don't really have much else to say. You're right on it. But that shine weight play against Clemson.

That was so trash and that's still haunts me is like two two plays in that game. But like the

worst plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating. So yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're

not getting. Go ahead. No, I know the second one was the Akuta one. We're you know on the

on the the fumble recurring. Yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls. But I think

it goes to a more basic thing. And this is something we've talked about before, but it's it's about

replay. And you know, replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field.

Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching

the same tape. I feel the same way should be with target. If it's not so clear and obvious,

you can't call targeting, you know, with review, review should not be I think or oh yeah,

that looks like or yeah, that appears to be it should only be black and white. I think targeting

should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white. And and I think too

many times the review official, the guy they want to get involved, they want to make the big call,

they want to do the thing. And I just think until they change that until they get the application

right on replay, I think it it troubles into into targeting as well. I think they should be

the same standard indisputable video. It should have to be it's indisputable video evidence of

targeting. Like there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be well, yeah, that kind of look

like that or wow, he did come drop it. There's any doubt. It shouldn't be a penalty. That's just

where I'm at. And that's how I feel about review about replaying and you know, I've been saying that

for years about reply. Yep, you have you been consistent with replay. And so I agree. I mean, I

don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't I think it predict protects

guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game. Your best player

because of a bad call. So I like that. Now what's going to happen after that trial? We'll see. But I

thought that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament. I thought that was a significant

piece of information to update. So definitely want to want to run that by one, but listen.

Tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future holds

with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that and we'll absolutely keep you up on that.

But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with

content and coverage, all things, Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever is relevant. We're

going to hit you with any last words and about it for behalf of here. Well, yeah, now that I mean,

we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball. You know, obviously they'll,

you know, kind of work on get ready for for next year. I mean, just to see who they

who they return, who they get in the portal. You know, what's going on with that? But, um,

you know, hey, Buckeye football is going and we're going to have it. We're going to have a

scrimmage next weekend and that that'll be those who are always fine because then we really

get to see them in the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Thanks for the

one and I got to go. This program needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are

going to see. I agree. We deserve an elite coach. Um, you know, are we can Devler be an elite coach

three, four years from now? Maybe is it worth waiting to see? I don't know either way. We,

you know, is we going to see in Nevada. I'm waiting to hear from your contacts, your agent folks

to see what's really going on. But you know, time will tell. I will tell. Um, what do you think about

those names? Caliperio or patino? I know he doesn't mean literally them, but it looks like he's saying

this program needs a caliperio patino type coach. Would you think about that? Well, I, you know,

I wouldn't mind some of these from Stature. I wouldn't even mind some of these from Stature

and some baggage. I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think, I think all of college

basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they want about that. But that's

just the way that I feel. I feel like I, I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is.

So if they had to get somebody with some, that's the, I don't have a problem with it. Either that,

or you know, you, you go with the last honors man, the last honest man in coaching you, you get

it from the cheese it should get B Moses. You get B Moses and you bring him in there. And you're like,

look, we're going to go with ethicalness. We're going to go with, you're kind of coach Carter.

You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's up there on the wall. They're guys. I'm just putting

them up there and can lead us to victory. They'll like you to the cheese it. And the cheeses came together

like this year. They were like a, like a disputed group. They come out there and you molded them into

champions. They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day. They're definitely cheeses.

At least in the day, do I have my cheesy graph? Where's my cheesy graph? I didn't upload it here. Did

I, didn't get, I wanted to share it on my house to upload it. Oh, no, there it is. There it is

right there. Did it pop up? Oh, that's got to be, that's got to be a Halloween costume. That

is bad to be a Halloween costume. Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you

what, I would recruit well. I know how talk to the young boys, young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure

you got to open up with them a little bit out there. Just they say, hey, let's play a little

one-on-one there. And if I beat you, then you can go out and say, then you commit. Deal, son.

Then you start raining. Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that. Don't decide.

Right, right. What about these? Oh, it sounds like it's seen from, why is the movie

escape me? Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. He got gang. I don't know if you

see that before. Oh, yeah. Is his dad? He's playing one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go

go watch it. I'm thinking, I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like

the McNulty look good on this guy. I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them.

You're delivering tractors up to something out there in the farm.

Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors. And I mean,

they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, who was the white boy with the jumper that had the trap. I forget

his name. For Indiana, you get for Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie that was crazy.

Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff.

So we always go off with a tangent. But listen, listen, it's all good, man. We love doing this.

It's fun. Today sucked. But it is what it is. We still got football. We still got football.

Y'all, we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And listen,

until next time we love your Buckeye Scoot family, Buckeye Nation. Go Bucks. As always, peace.

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on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial

intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology,

I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it,

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