OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??mp3

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I'm sad, be my going to lie. I'm sad that that we that we lost today. We lost again that we probably

shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably

the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be

football football football, which is great, which I love talking about. But the buck I see is

and ended a little too prematurely for me today. And just just sad. And you know, you being the

ex great player that you were. I'm more interested in your thoughts initially because I've read the

Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. And for some reason,

you know, who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the the flack of the game is

Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought he

played pretty good today. And, you know, I mean, other than Moebly, who clearly was our best player,

I thought Tilly might have been our second or worst third best player. But for some reason,

he's just catching straight from him. And I just wonder when you were watching the game,

were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad. And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his

part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No, but he was being goofy and he was

being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has

some skill for his size. But man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical

consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complaint about Tilly finishing around a

Ram Stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like, dude, like, but he is, he has 11 points

of game this year. And he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds of game and he had six.

He averaged two assists. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half.

I'll give you that. I mean, I mean, you know, I just I just feel like, like, man, when you're looking

super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who who overachieved over their

season averages as the problem for the game. Like, I felt the refs were letting them play at

an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that a nerd doughhouse

dates benefit. I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of

the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we were up three

and they called a three-point play. I'm barely any contact and all that. It's said it was a little

incongruent. But yeah, no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought

the story of the game, you lose a two-point game. You have the all-time leading scorer in the

history of Ohio State basketball who averages 20 points of game. And he has one basket in the second

half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That

is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points when at the all-time leading

scorer in Ohio State history in a game. And, you know, I'm Bruce Thornton. I couldn't, I mean,

I don't know, was that his worst game ever at Ohio State? Maybe. No, I mean, he picked a peculiar,

I mean, there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse, you know, I'm saying because

there you go. There you go. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all-time leading scorer in

school history. The all-time leading scorer. And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket

in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know, I'm

I'm just confused to be honest with you. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that

Tilly is the number one guy. Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better

in the first half. Like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't

love Tilly because of this stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling

out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton. And we'll just talk about the game.

So, obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams like

all through the schedule blitz Bruce Thornton double shading. This thing about it, we mostly talk

about football. So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith's side. Think about it like that. If you don't know

basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key, they were

king on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like, it had like a,

like a diamond like following him around. If you look at what TCU was doing,

the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the

game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough. You don't want to force things and

basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to

be very, very aggressive to when you're when that when you pick your spots, when there's a hole

or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack and you and when you attack,

you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean. I think Bruce got frustrated.

He was very frustrated. He was frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game,

to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart,

like going into the body of punch. Instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he

can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan

frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the

same physicality. TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have. They've

been in the tournament in the recent years. We have it. We came out like we, you know, like the stage

was big. Now obviously we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game,

but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot

of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back. But it just wasn't

enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing because I love

Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton

is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent,

but I think today showed why. Yes, he's the leading score because he's been here for four years.

He's been consistent. Great kid. He stayed with a house state, but he's not he's not he's not Michael

Red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level because again,

even with that attention on him, yes, be patient. Get it to your guys, but you've got to be

aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper,

Nevada, go ahead. I know you want to jump in. Well, I mean, look, there's so many things to say.

I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels,

but played a lot of basketball in my life. And having coach, not at the highest level, the coach,

a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions

that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look

and then he would go stand in the corner. And they had completely buffaloed. And at that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming the

whole first half. I'm like, get, let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball

out of his hands. You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I literally

recognized at 17 33 to go in the first first half, it took it. Once we switched to mobility,

we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing.

I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out.

I'm really struggling with it. If somebody is going to take something away from you,

then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over

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for an office near you. Yeah, I mean, I just he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble and I saw

how I say I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there

just dribbling to nothing to eight down on the clock and then running some hurried set and getting

some crappy shot up. And you know, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, we have got to attack

the rim and I have people saying, oh, we don't attack or how state doesn't it? We don't. That's not

what we play. And I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set up

against you when you've got the ball. I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able because he's not

the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at

least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be

able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today,

not not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of

problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we

switched them all, though, everything's switched. And I just don't understand why Jake Debeler,

who I like Jake Debeler, I want Jake Debeler to be successful. How can you go that long and not

see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later. Like you said, I saw him starting to

bring a Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose.

Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later. And so I think to ask you a question,

I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player. Let him

work through it. Let him make, you know, good decisions through it and and press through it. And

that's what I think Debeler was thinking, but it just obviously it just it didn't work well.

But yes, running the offense through Moby was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense

and getting things going. But not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the

first half. And it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again,

to their credit in the second half, they stepped up, started playing much better. You know,

started matching that physicality. TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short.

We can honestly, bro, we can talk about, unless you got more to say about that,

we can talk about what everybody's talking about, which is that last 4.3 seconds left. And what

happened on that play. And I mean, that was that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all,

shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group

track, the group chat that you can't give up that position. Now, by the name of the freshman, he's

a pretty big physical kid. And that TCU kid is no, no slouch. But I agree, you can't let him get

deep into paint. I thought we played good defense on punch on that play, but that TCU kid was

white. He was established deep in the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Biden

didn't foul him. But that was just tough, man. Nevada, what you got?

Well, you know, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Biden, you know, play a little bit

or defense on that. Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU. He was

able to wall him off and look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation. I just,

again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock and you see that there's going

to be about a four or four and a half second difference, but if they run it down to the very end,

which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball, I'm telling,

I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the ball across

half court and then we call the time out. You know what I'm saying? Like, like anything you do,

you've got to get the ball into the front court and then you call the time out. I think,

but again, that's, that's the kind of, that's, this isn't a second guess. This was something I

was saying the number 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've got to

anticipate that and you got to tell them the guys, look, when this happens, you know, if they score,

get it into the front court, let's call time out, let's get something set up, let's run a play,

he was obviously what they were doing. They were coming in high to Tilly. He was going to go back

to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner, you know,

jumper, but you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court

with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that

play, but I think the setup to that could have been better, you know, which goes to the whole day.

I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity,

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out

playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally,

you know, game is literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already and it just,

you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies were on display today

as a head coach and I think his inexperienced showed and, you know, for me, who's been somebody

who's been, you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely, I think we got to give DiBler more time.

Now I'm not sure. I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing

because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that it really

has, it has me questioning, you know, his ability to say head coach, maybe that's fair, maybe

that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. Now I hear you, here's the last play. So I think you

know it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripped to myself,

some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean,

we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly.

You know, you got a guy, I would have gave it to Moby in this situation. I think he's faster

than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter. Like, if you're going to draw that up,

I would have drew it up for Moby. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior,

you're all tightly in score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them. And so,

I don't know, that's just me, but yes, I agree that, and I don't even say in hindsight,

but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys,

get it across, get it across, you know, that should be something you do in practice,

in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a

clean look for three, you know, or even throw it down low to get a foul or something. But yeah,

man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate. Now, as far as

what you said about Debler, yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake

Debler is a bad coach. I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought

into early. I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation success-wise,

maybe, if he was brought in three years after the hope and like, he went to a max school, cut his

teeth, came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's

a good coach. He's bright, but today probably showed, like you said, his efficiencies that he's

still learning. And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going

to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip.

And all the other stuff, if they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him

with everything he needs to get players on this roster. Period. Now, I told you all, I just want

Buckeye basketball to be a league. I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships, like

under the Thad Mata, you know, like how we work. Consistently, sweet 16 or you know, like in the

tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay, but who are we going

to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying it better be somebody good.

Better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them. Period.

I don't care who it is. Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is

making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program, because I want to be fair.

You know, he may say he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little

early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full, you know, deep roster.

He hasn't. He has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either way, I want to

fix the question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada, by the

Abukai, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big 10 games. We wanted

four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him, they respond to him.

We got a McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean,

is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired.

Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year,

at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that?

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is like, I'm rural highway state.

You can talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster

than we do? I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but

yeah, I mean, because high points certainly doesn't have the resources that we do or the

reputation or the recruiting base or you know, I'm saying none of that, but you know,

they managed to put the other team and you know, beep was kind. And I know it's one game and

everything else like that. But it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting

better? Are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I think for Ohio State,

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You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year. But you know, it's

deeper to the guy to, you know, are you are you delaying the inevitable? You know, do you see Jake

Gieber? Yeah, I mean, I guess the question would be like, do you think Jake Gieber will be the

head coach here to house eight and five years or 10 years? You know what I mean? Like do you think

he's got that kind of longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's

all hypothetical. But you know, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, I just don't,

I don't know. And, you know, I, like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding,

you know, at the end of the day, I'm on a big believer in, you know, it's not the X's and

O's. It's the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to, you know, they've got to perform. But in

basketball of all the games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they, they affect everything

on in-bounds plays on rotations, you know, switching defense. And there's all sorts of things

that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know,

a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, I like,

said, I'm, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get the ball into

Moby's hands. I mean, I, I get trying to play, but if the thing about what you said, if everything

you're saying, you're taking, they're playing two guys over the top on under, shaking the entire

defense, they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy just

keep running into that vast front over and over and over again? When you've got, you know,

a player mobily who can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that he's a guy he's a viable

option. It's not like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know, so far this year.

I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That, that's the thing that

kind of confounded me way more of the sort than the, you know, the play design on the last play

or, you know, should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other, or even his rotations.

I mean, even getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did,

I just, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to mobily who

least score or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know,

you know, any option you had was bad. That one, 4.3 seconds. Basically, we've all seen the

the Christian late ner thing and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard.

Right. It's, it's really, really hard. And it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage

play no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, um, but I don't know. I, I, I, I,

let me put you, if I'm on Ohio State, I am definitely working the following to see who's available

and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because, um, I think you're really at an

inflection point with the program right now. And if you're going to make a move, I think this is

the time to make it. I don't, I don't think, so if you're not going to keep them long term,

then I think you get rid of them now. Okay. I think you just cut your losses and, and move on.

Yeah. Question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will. And I,

I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about

Bruce Jordan. Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant, like he just, he just, I wish Bruce

in this game because again, they were all over him. They were, they were trying to take him out of

the game. I get that. But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate,

pulled up, like it was needed, like boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what

your leader should be doing. And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was

frustration. I don't know what it was. But you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient.

Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play, I get all of that. But you also have

to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face

and stroked it, boom, like that was needed throughout the entire gang to really set the tone and

lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada, I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point.

I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing

in the next round anyway. And shoot, CNN gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament,

you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is.

It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how, how big this tournament is. And you see

little teams take out big teams and 12s take out fives and whatever. But I don't know, Nevada.

I mean, the question for me is, what is Bjork in this administration going to do?

I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer. I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer,

you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that.

I don't want to, you know what? He might be okay. No. If you fire dealer, go get somebody,

be aggressive like you would be in football and go get somebody that says, this is a home run

higher. And this is it, Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you,

Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball

as I am in football. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't know.

I just give you a fun fact, a little fun stat. And then I'll give that to your question.

Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit his first three-point of the game in 33 seconds into the game?

And then hit his last three-pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period in time,

between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first race.

Between 33 seconds left. So in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like, that can't happen.

No, no, no. I mean, 39 minutes, one basket and two free throws. That's all, that was it.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, look, cano house they do it? Absolutely. I mean, like,

Ohio State just signed Nadine Musseroll, the hockey coach, to a new five-year contract.

You know, keeping it away from Minnesota. I mean, Ohio State can do whatever they want.

And basketball is not an irrelevant sport. You know, we're not talking about, you know, archery

or, you know, fencing or something like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about

basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've

got a decent team. There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities.

They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history

of success and recent success. So, to me, I think they've got to be working the phones

going after it and trying to see what's available because, you know, I want to see what options

that might have for this. Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence, for sure.

Like I said, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously, basketball is not football, but it's not,

I don't know, rifle, or they actually won national championships at a house, they're good too,

but you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like, I get that. I understand that. But to me,

I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis

on the basketball program. So, I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible. You're sure they can, but will they? That's my question.

And here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks.

And it was an emotional roller coaster today. We're down 15 out to half.

I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people, boring a small miracle, this game is over,

which I still stand by that because to me, I was being able to come back like we did with a small

miracle because we were just bad in that first half. But then, you know, the roller coaster,

go back up and then can crashing down at the end and it was very frustrating, very sad.

But this is what's been going on with this program.

The first time in the past four years is tough in itself.

So, I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question mark for me. What are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds, portal,

you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in

and play and make a big impact and all that. So, that's the question. I mean, that's pretty much

it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah, now, I think I'm going to go with my

final answer being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely testing

the lines with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State is really looking

for it. But I just, I think something like this. I mean, I think I think Ohio State fans,

you saw it from the intro. I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team.

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Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you. But you know, it's something

like this where you know, you know, you're right. The first half it looked like we were completely

outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have

been higher than that. But you know, we managed to take a five point lead in the second half. And then,

you know, you, you know, to have, you know, I feel like it was our it was our lack of experience.

And and I mean, I got to say it coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if

we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think it'd be a fad map,

fad moda. Even if we think of we had just holding it, I think we'd have won the game for that.

But you know, that again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But I,

I mean, I thought I thought deeper was really bad today. And I and I've ruined it for I like

deeper. I like that. I love that love's brother. I want deeper to be it. But I just, I'm trying to

think about, you know, even our in-bounds play, you know, like one thing he'd been really making

his bones on is how many how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff. And I didn't

like our in-bounds plays. I didn't I just I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the

what we were doing. It just it nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind of

all, you know, criticize then. So I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be a house. It's

going to be looking. But I'm going to I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their if they're

making calls because this is this is when they start making them was right now. Yes, I was going to say

please, holler at your sources because I want to know, I want to know, you know, because again,

I just my confidence is through the roof with a high-stake football doing whatever it takes to

to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So yes, please

keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's

non-basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick.

And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time. And I think this is

kind of like just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident that

proves change is the targeting suspension in one year trial. So here it is. For at least one

season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the

field for the following game. The division one football, both subdivision oversight committee on

Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty.

For the 26th season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can

participate in a following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting

penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required

to sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season

must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were

disqualified for targeting three times in the 2025 season. So to me, this is low key significant

because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klat has hated it. He's been

pounding the table. Others have mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted

to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know, I let me

explain to you what the fundamental flaws in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most

egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like that old saying by

Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes, I know it when I see it.

You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of a targeting. Like we know it when we see it.

Like, so if you have a hit and I'm you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a house they

fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits where at

the last second, a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side of the, you

know what I'm saying? Something like that. That that to me is not targeting until so until they,

I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff.

But yeah, I think until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the

when you slow everything down to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact almost

every single play. You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact

with the other person's head on 90% of the same, you know what I'm saying? Like it could be your

forearm. It could be your hand. It could be your shoulder. It could be your wrist. I mean,

something's going to make contact with the head or neck area on just about every play. So when

you're slowing it down like that and they're going to doing the review like that, I really think it's

just got to be, I've always felt like there should be like two penalties like one for the most

egregious ones and another should be a five yard. I don't know. I don't know what exactly

what the answer is. But I think it's just I don't like the application of the rule in general.

The way that they do it. Because I think about that that game that we played against Clemson

when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on the on the side way on the on the

sack of Trevor. Like to me, there is no way in the world that is targeting, but that got called

for targeting. And so until you address that, to me, that's way worse than this stuff about first

penalty, second penalty, third period, one game, half game, no game, whatever. I just hate the

rule period. And you know, until they change that, then, you know, I don't know where to go with

that. I mean, what do you think about targeting? How do you feel about the application and how do you

feel about how the rules been been called in recent years? I mean, you you kind of just spoke

my mind and you brought up that shine weight targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the

crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no, it's not just because I'm

a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head sunshine dropped his head right at the moment when shine weight

was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't

have called target because it wasn't targeting. Like, to me there has to be common sense to it.

You review it. You see all the player dropped his head. Like, come on, man. Like, listen,

I one thing I do agree with Joe Clark is it's a it's a the rule is terrible because it's so

subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy on another game

through the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say.

You're right on it. But that shine weight play against Clemson. That was so trash. And

that still haunts me is like two two plays in that game. I like the worst plays in my Buckeye

fandom of officiating. So yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead.

No, I know the second one was the Akuda one. We're you know, on the on the the fumble.

Rick and yeah, which is the worst column in the history of calls. But I think it goes to a more

basic thing. And this is something we've talked about before, but it's it's about replay. And

you know, replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field.

Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching

the same tape. I feel the same way should be with targeting. If it's not so clear and obvious,

you can't call targeting, you know, with review, review should not be I think or yeah, that looks

like or yeah, that appears to be it should only be black and white. I think targeting

should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white. And and I think too

many times the review official, the guy they want to get involved. They want to make the big call.

They want to do the thing. And I just think until they change that until they get the application

should write on replay. I think it it dribbles into into targeting as well. I think they should

be the same standard indisputable video. It should have to be it's indisputable video evidence

of targeting. Like there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be well, yeah, that kind of

looked like that or wow, he did come drop it. There's any doubt. It shouldn't be a penalty.

That's just where I'm at. And that's how I feel about review about replay and and you know,

I've been saying that for years about reply. Yep, you have you been consistent with replay. And so

I agree. I mean, I don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't.

I think it predict protects guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a

game. Your best player because of a bad call. So I like that. Now what's going to happen after

that trial? We'll see. But I thought that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament.

I thought that was a significant piece of information to update. So I definitely wanted to run that

by one, but listen, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see

how the future holds with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that and we'll absolutely keep

you up on that. But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that and we're always going to

hit you with content and coverage, all things. Buckeye football, basketball, whatever's relevant.

We're going to hit you with any last words and about it for behalf of here.

Well, yeah, now that I mean, we get to officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

You know, obviously they'll, you know, kind of work on get ready for next year. I mean,

to see who they return, who they get in the portal. What's going on with that? But,

you know, hey, Buckeye football is going and we're going to have it. We're going to have a

scrimmage next weekend and that'll be, those are always fun because then we really get to see

the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Thanks for the 199. Gotta go. This

program needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see. I agree we

deserve an elite coach. You know, are we can devler be an elite coach three, four years from now?

Maybe is it worth waiting to see? I don't know. Either way, we, you know, is we're going to see

in Nevada. I'm waiting to hear from your contacts, your agent folks to see what's really going on.

But, you know, time will tell, I will tell. What do you think about those names caliperio patino?

I know he doesn't mean literally them, but it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio

patino type coach. Would you think about that? Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind somebody

with some stature. I wouldn't even mind somebody with some stature and some baggage. I don't, that,

that stuff doesn't bother me. I think, I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked

and people can say what they want about that. But that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I,

I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get somebody with some,

that's the, I don't have a problem with it. Either that or you know, you, you go with the last

honest man, the last honest man in coaching, you know, you get from the cheese it should get

B Moses. You get B Moses and you bring him in there and you're like, look, we're going to go with

ethicalness. We're going to go with you, you're kind of coach Carter. You can put like, hey, you

were like my reputation's up there on the wall. They're guys, I'm just putting them up there and

can lead us to victory. They won't like you to the cheeses. I mean, cheeses came together

like this year. They were like a, like a disperited group. They got that and you molded them into

champions. They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day. They're definitely cheeses.

At the end of the day, do I have my cheesy graph? Or is my cheesy graph? I didn't upload it here.

Did I? I didn't get. I wanted to share it. I might have to upload it. Oh, no, there it is.

There it is right here. Did it pop up? Oh, that's got to be a Halloween costume. That is

bad to be a Halloween costume. Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you

what I would recruit. Well, I know how talk to the young boys. Young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm

sure you better open up with them a little bit out there. Just they may say, hey,

let's play a little one-on-one there. And if I beat you, then you come to our state.

Then you commit. Deal, son.

Then he started raining. Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that. Don't decide.

Right, right. What about Peter?

Oh, sounds like it's seen from... Why is the movie escaped me?

Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. He got gang. I don't know if you've seen that before.

Is his dad? He's playing one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go watch it. I'm thinking more like

blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick Nolte. Look at the good honest guy.

I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them. You're delivering tractors out to

something out there in the farm. Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off

and tractors. I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq. Who was the white boy with the jumper to

try. I forget his name. For Indiana. You get for Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie was crazy.

Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff.

So we always go off with attention. But listen, listen, it's all good, man. We love doing this.

It's fun today sucked, but it is what it is. We still got football. We still got football.

We got it. We're going to be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And listen, until next time,

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