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how state falls, the TCU today, tough game.

We're gonna talk about it.

Obviously, a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future.

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I'm sad, B.

I can lie.

I'm sad that we lost today.

We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost,

but we lost it nonetheless.

And it's just sad.

I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show

that we're gonna do for 2026.

From here on out, just gonna be football, football, football,

which is great, which I love talking about.

But the Buck guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today.

And just sad, you know, you being the great player

that you were, I'm more interested in your thoughts initially.

Because I've read the Twitter verse

and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought.

And for some reason, you know who's gonna allow the iron,

who's catching a lot of the flack of the game,

is Kristoff Tilly for some reason,

which is, I find absolutely bizarre.

Because I actually thought he played pretty good today.

And, you know, I mean, other than Mobley,

who clearly was our best player,

I thought Tilly might have been our second

or at least third best player.

But for some reason, he's just catching strays from him.

And I just wondered, when you were watching the game,

were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us?

Or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the first half was bad.

And so Kristoff Tilly,

Kristoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half.

Was he the worst on the floor?

No, but he was being goofy

and he was being a little soft around the rim,

which is something he does.

I think he's an okay player.

He has some skill for his size, but man,

it's just like he needs to play bigger.

He needs to be more physical consistently.

And I think that some of the people's complain about Tilly,

finishing around a rim stronger.

To me, he's too hesitant.

It's just like, dude, like...

But I mean, he is who he is.

He averaged 11 points a game this year

and he scored 10 today.

He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six.

He averaged two assists a game.

He played better in the second half.

He played better in the second half.

I'll give you that.

I mean, I mean, I just feel like, man,

when you're looking for super villains in this game,

it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved

over their season averages as the problem for the game.

Like, I felt the rest were letting them play

at an extremely physical game in the first half.

And I didn't think that a nerd dough house they'd spend.

If it I think they let TCU get away with a lot

and then at the end of the game,

there were some...

I felt marginal calls that they called...

One, we were up three and they called a three point play

barely any contact at all.

They thought it was a little incongruent.

But yeah, no, I mean, I agree.

Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, to me,

I thought the story of the game,

you lose a two point game.

You have the all-time leading score

in the history of a house that basketball

who averages 20 points a game.

And he has one basket in the second half of a game

where you're down 15 and a half time.

Now, that is a problem right there.

That is an issue.

You can't shoot 33% from the field

and score 10 points.

One of the all-time leading score in a house

that history in a game.

And Bruce Thornton, I couldn't...

I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game

ever at a house that may be?

I mean, he picked the peculiar time...

There's never been a bigger game that he's played worse.

You know what I'm saying?

Because I mean...

There you go.

I think I agree with that.

Yeah.

I mean, he's the all-time leading score

in school history, the all-time leading score.

And he shot 33% from the field

and had one basket in the second half.

I mean, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly.

I don't know.

I'm just confused, to be honest with you.

No, let me be clear.

I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy.

Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that.

I think he could have played better in the first half.

Like, but that's just a carry-over complaint from me.

I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly

because of the stuff I already mentioned.

But that's not the first person I'm calling out

is Tilly, I agree.

Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton.

And we'll just talk about the game.

So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU.

This is nothing new.

I mean, teams like all through the schedule

blitzed Bruce Thornton, double shading.

Let's think about it.

We mostly talk about football.

So who are you football people?

Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith side.

Think about it like that.

If you don't know basketball, that will.

It's like, when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key,

they were keying on him.

When he would penetrate, they would shade over.

It was like a diamond following him around.

If you look at what TCU was doing,

their game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton

and make the rest of the guys beat you.

That was the game plan.

So with that said, to your point, Nevada,

it's tough.

You don't want to force things and basically

plan to the hands and turn the ball over

and try to do too much.

But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're,

when you pick your spots, when there's a hole

or when there's a weakness or there's a lane,

you have to attack.

And when you attack, you have to know how to attack.

And this is what I mean.

I think Bruce got frustrated.

He was very frustrated, he was very frustrated.

When he did have opportunities later in the game,

to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make.

He's very smart, like going into the body of punch

instead of pulling up for that little 10 foot shot

that he can hit so well, he tried to go in

and just got swallowed up by punch.

And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton.

We didn't come out with the same energy.

We didn't come out with the same physicality.

DCU played like they've been in the tournament recent,

like they have, they've been in the tournament

in the recent years, we have it.

We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big.

Now, obviously we adjusted and we settled down

and we were right in the game,

but that's always hard to overcome that

when you're coming out like that.

And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada,

but we were able to still fight back,

but it just wasn't enough, man.

But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton,

and let me say this last thing,

because I love Bruce Thornton.

And I was talking to my guys

who came by earlier watching the game.

Bruce Thornton is a great kid.

He's a really good basketball player.

He has skill and talent,

but I think today showed why.

Yes, he's the leading scorer

because he's been here for four years,

he's been consistent, great kid.

He stayed with a house state, but he's not,

he's not Michael Redd.

He's not Mike Conley.

He's not Jim Jackson.

He's just not to that level.

Because again, even with that attention on him,

yes, be patient, get it to your guys,

but you gotta be aggressive and still take over

and still overcome that.

If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper,

Nevada, go ahead, I know you wanna jump in.

Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say.

I just, you know, I know enough about basketball

from having played not at the highest levels,

but played a lot of basketball in my life

and having coach, not at the highest level,

but coach a lot of basketball in my life,

that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions

that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble

30 feet away from the basket and stop and look

and then he would go stand in the corner.

They had completely buffaloed and that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands.

You have to.

And I'm screaming the whole first half.

I'm like, get, let mobility,

let mobility run the offense.

Do not get the ball out of his hands, you know,

and the fact that it took an entire half

on something that I literally recognized

at 17, 33 to go in the first half.

It took, and once we switched to mobility,

we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead.

That's a 20 point swing.

How can I just, I don't understand

how something that's so obvious took him so long

to figure out.

I just, I'm just, I'm really struggling with that.

Look, if somebody's gonna take something away from you,

then they're leaving something else open.

You don't just keep going into the teeth of that

over and over and over again,

because clearly the authority didn't have it

whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered,

whatever was going on.

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Yeah, I mean, I just he couldn't beat anybody off the dribbling.

I saw a last thing.

I'm like, why are we slowing the game down?

Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just

dribbling to nothing to eight down the clock

and then running some hurried set

and getting some crappy shot up?

And you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, man, we have got to attack the rim and I have

people saying, oh, we don't attack.

Well, how state doesn't it?

We don't that's not what we plan.

I'm like, you have to play that way.

You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you.

When you've got the ball, I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able,

because he's not the biggest guy.

He's not Evan Turner.

He's not, you know, he's not six foot six.

So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble.

So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create

something.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble

a single time today, not once.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble.

And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody

else on the inside.

Nobody else is getting open inside.

And frankly, once we switched them all,

although everything switched and I just don't understand

why Jake Debeler, who I like Jake Debeler,

I want Jake Debeler to be successful.

How can you go that long and not see what is obvious

to everyone needed to be changed?

How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah, and I've seen it, he did.

He adjusted, but it was later, like you said.

I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball

and trying to run him through screens and sets

to get him loose instead of him bringing a ball up court,

but it was later.

And so I think to ask you a question,

I'm not saying this right,

but you're thinking he's seen this before.

He's your best player.

Let him work through it.

Let him make good decisions through it and press through it.

And that's what I think Debeler was thinking,

but it just obviously, it didn't work well.

But yes, running the offense through Moby was better,

as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going.

But not just that, we turn the ball over seven times

in the first half.

And it just was conky.

We didn't look in rhythm.

TCU looked in rhythm.

Now again, to their credit in the second half,

they stepped up, started playing much better.

You know, started matching that physicality.

TCU got a little cold and whatnot,

but just came up short.

We can honestly, bro, we can talk about,

unless you got more to say about that,

we can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left

and what happened on that play.

And I mean, that was rough.

That was frustrating.

First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada.

I agree with you, Dev.

He mentioned in the group chat,

that you can't give up that position.

Now, by the name of the freshman,

he's a pretty big physical kid.

And that TCU kid is no slouch.

But I agree, you can't let him get that deep in the paint.

I thought we played good defense on punch on that play,

but that TCU kid was white.

He was established deep in the paint.

And at that point, I'm just,

I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him,

but that was just tough, man.

Nevada, what you got?

Well, you know, yeah, I mean,

would I like to have seen Bynum,

play a little bit or defense on that?

Yeah, but I just thought it was a good play by TCU,

and he was able to wall him off.

And look, they got a great shot in that situation.

I just, again, from a coaching standpoint,

when you're looking at the clock,

and you see that there's going to be about a four,

four and a half second difference,

but if they run it down to the very end,

which they did, credit to TCU,

but given the rules where you can't advance the ball,

I'm telling, I'm telling my guys,

you gotta get the ball in balance,

and you gotta get the ball across half court,

and then we call the timeout.

You know what I'm saying?

Like anything you do,

you've gotta get the ball into the front court,

and then you call the timeout.

I think, but again, that's the kind of thing.

This isn't a second guess.

This was something I was saying in the numbers,

30 seconds, when TCU was setting up their shot,

I'm like, you've gotta anticipate that,

and you gotta be telling the guys,

look, when this happens, if they score,

get it into the front court, let's call timeout,

let's get something set up, let's run a play.

Hardly, it was obvious what they were doing.

They were coming in high to Tilly.

He was gonna go back to Thornton,

and Thornton was gonna try to run down,

and hit kind of an Evan Turner jumper,

but there's not a lot of great plays

when you can't advance the ball to mid court

with 4.3 seconds ago.

So as much as people want to be mad,

I'm not as mad at him for that play,

but I think the set up to that could have been better.

Which goes for the whole day, I felt like

the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out

with the right kind of intensity,

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense,

I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game

that we really needed to play in order to win,

and incidentally, the first game of the tournament

and we're out already, and to me,

I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies

were on display today as a head coach.

And I think his inexperienced show,

and for me, who's been somebody who's been pretty much

on that definitely, I think we gotta give DiBler more time.

Now, I'm not sure, I think to me,

it really depends on who might be available

as a potential thing because I just,

I thought that some of the mistakes he made

were just so rudimentary that it really has,

it has me questioning his abilities head coach.

Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair,

but that's where I'm at.

Now I hear you, here's the last play.

So I think you nailed it to where

it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced.

So I was kind of trippin' to myself like,

some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up?

I mean, there's not much you can do.

I mean, we've seen it, we've seen team score from this.

I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly.

You know, you got a guy.

I would have gave it to Moby in this situation.

I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton,

and he's a better distant shooter.

Like, if you're gonna draw that up,

I would have drew it up for Moby.

Not only that, but the other team is looking for

your senior, you're all tightly in score to get the ball,

and you see there's two guys on them.

And so, I don't know, that's just me, but yes,

I agree that, and I don't even say the hindsight,

but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have

one time out left, just signal to your guys,

get it across, get it across, you know,

that should be something you do in practice,

in that situation.

That would have gave them a better chance

to come off the screen and get a clean look for three, you know,

or even throw it down low to get a foul or something.

But, yeah, man, I knew when this happened,

it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate.

Now, as far as what you said about Debler,

yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before.

I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

I think he can be a very good coach.

I think he might have been brought into early.

I think he's a guy that probably would have

had been in a better situation success-wise, maybe,

if he was brought in three years after the Holtman,

and like, he went to a Max Koo, cut his teeth, came back.

He was retained.

I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids.

He's a good coach, he's bright,

but today probably showed, like you said, his efficiencies

that he's still learning.

And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact

that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler

went into this tournament with a deep roster

and a fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff.

If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure

they provide him with everything he needs

to get players on this roster, period.

Now, I told you all, I just want Buckeye Basketball

to be a lead.

I want Buckeye Basketball to compete for championships

like, under the Thad Mata, you know, like how we work.

Consistently, sweet 16 or, you know, like, in the tournament,

elite, that's what I want.

If that's getting rid of Debler, okay.

But who are we going to get?

And that's not a question saying we shouldn't.

I'm just saying it better be somebody good.

We better put the full resources that we have

for this basketball program behind them, period.

I don't care who it is.

Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with

is making sure we put more intentional emphasis

into this program.

Because I want to be fair.

Debler is, you know, he may, he's made mistakes.

He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early,

but let's not act like he's had the full support

and had a full, you know, deep roster.

He hasn't.

He has no bench.

So to me, we got to look at both sides,

but either way, I want to fix.

The question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at

by the brass Nevada, by the Buckeye, you know,

administration as, hey, we made progress.

We won the most big 10 games.

We won the four seasons.

We made the tournament for the first time.

The players like him, they respond to him.

We got to make dollars on American coming next year.

Let's keep building this.

Let's add more.

I mean, is that how they're going to look at it?

Probably.

I don't think he's going to get fired.

Regardless of what we say, what we think,

I think they're going to keep him for another year at least.

That's just my opinion.

But Nevada, what you got on all that?

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is,

like, I'm world-hierry state.

You can talk about the roster and I get that.

But like, do you think high point has a better roster

than we do?

You know, I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points.

But I'm going to say no, but yeah, I mean,

because high point certainly didn't have the resources

that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base

or you know, I'm saying none of that, but, you know,

they managed to put together team and, you know,

the beep was kind.

I know it's one game and everything else like that.

But it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know,

are you getting better or are you getting worse?

You know what I'm saying?

And I think for Ohio State.

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I guess we're marginally better than we were last year.

But is Debra the guy to, are you delaying

the inevitable?

Do you see Jake Gieber?

Yeah, I guess the question would be,

do you think Jake Gieber will be the head coach here

to have sat in five years or 10 years?

Do you think he's got that kind of longevity?

And I know it's kind of an impossible question

to answer.

It's all hypothetical.

But it's one of those things where I just don't know.

And like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things

regarding, you know, at the end of the day,

I'm a big believer in, you know,

it's not the Xs and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's

and they've got to perform.

But in basketball of all the games,

man, the coaches have such an impact

because they affect everything on in-bounds plays

on rotations, switching defense.

And there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly

impact on almost a possession, a possession basis.

And so, you know, a coach is just so, so important

to your success.

I just don't know if Debra can be,

I, like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact

that Debra took that long to get them on to mobile his hands.

I mean, I get, you know, trying to play with him.

If the thing about what you said,

if everything's changing, they're playing two guys

over the top on under, shaking the entire defense,

they're playing a triangle over the top.

I mean, then how do you have that guy just keep running

into that mass front over and over and over again?

When you've got, you know, a player mobily who can get it done,

you know, I'm saying like that he's a guy,

he's a viable option.

It's all like he hasn't done it with the ball on his hands,

you know, so far this year.

I just don't know how it could take Debra that long

to figure that out.

That, that's the thing that's kind of confounding me.

Way more of the so than the, you know,

the play design on the last play or, you know,

should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other,

or even his fortations, I mean, even, you know,

getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did.

Um, I just, I don't know.

I mean, you know, I'm the last play again.

Do you give it to mobile?

Who least score or do you give it to the guy

who's three of mine from the floor?

I, you know, I don't know, you know, any option you had

was bad and that one, 4.3 seconds.

Mason, we've all seen the, the Christian Latener thing

and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard.

Right. It's, it's really, really hard.

And it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage

played no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it.

So, um, but I don't know.

I, I, I, let me put you, if I'm on Ohio State,

I am definitely working the fall and to see who's available

and working to see if there is an upgrade for it

because, um, I think you're really at an inflection point

of the program right now and, uh, if you're going to make a move,

I think this is the time to make it.

I don't, I don't think so.

If you're not going to keep them long term,

then I think you get rid of them now.

Okay. I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on.

Yeah. Question is, will they do that?

I just don't know.

I'm not confident they will.

And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression

from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden.

Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant, like he just,

he just, I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game.

I get that.

But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate,

pull it up, like it was needed, like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket.

For him, that's what your leaders should be doing.

And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration.

I don't know what it was, but you got to find a way.

Yes, you want to be patient.

Somebody's open.

If they're doubling you, make the right play, I get all of that.

But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive.

And to me, this, he did not hesitate.

He pulled up in his face and stroke that boom.

Like that was needed throughout the entire game.

To really set the tone and lead your team.

But anyway, yeah, Nevada, I mean, listen, I hear you.

You mentioned a high point.

I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17.

I wasn't that high on Wisconsin.

I had them losing the next round anyway.

And shoot, Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today.

This tournament, you better come ready.

You better be ready to play.

I don't care how deep your roster is.

It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how,

how big this tournament is.

And you see little teams take out big teams and 12s,

take out fives and whatever, but I don't know Nevada.

I mean, the question for me is what is Bjork in this administration going to do?

I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer.

I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone

who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach.

I want that.

I don't want to, you know what, he might be okay.

No, if you fire dealer, go get somebody.

Be aggressive like you would be a football and go get somebody that says,

this is a home run higher and this is just it.

Nevada, do you think they can do that?

Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident.

And this administration to do that in basketball as, as I am in football,

you know what I'm saying?

So this is like, I just don't know.

Well, I just give you a fun fact, a little fun stat.

And just and then I'll give it back to the your question.

Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the, his first three point of the game in 33,

in 33 seconds into the game and then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds

left in the game and between that period in time, between that period of time,

he had one basket.

Good Lord, but between the first race between 33 seconds and last.

So in the last in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying?

And it's just like that can't happen.

No, no, no, look, I mean, 39 minutes at one basket and two free throws.

That's all that that was it.

Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, I mean, look, Kano, how's they do it?

Absolutely.

I mean, like Ohio State just signed Nadine, Missouri, all the hockey coach to a new five-year contract,

you know, keeping her away from Minnesota.

I mean, they, Ohio State can do whatever they want.

And basketball, basketball is not in a relevant sport.

If we're not talking about, you know, archery or, you know, fencing or something like that,

or, you know, women's lacrosse, we're talking about basketball.

I mean, it's a revenue sport.

It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team.

There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities.

They've got a great recruiting base.

They've got a great reputation.

They've got a history of success and recent success.

So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and trying to see what's available

because, you know, I want to see what options they might have for this.

Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence, for sure.

Like I said, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously, basketball is not football,

but it's not, I don't know, rifle, or they actually won national championships

at a Ohio State or good too.

But you get my point, talk about revenue, like I get that, I understand that.

But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting

as much emphasis on the basketball program.

So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible, you sure they can, but will they?

That's my question.

And here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks.

And it was an emotional roller coaster today.

We're down 15 at the half.

I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people, barring a small miracle, this game is over,

which I still stand by that because to me, I was being able to come back like we did

with this small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first half.

But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then can crashing down at the end,

and it was very frustrating, very sad.

But this is what's been going on with this program past four years.

The first time in the past four years is tough in itself.

So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question mark for me.

What are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake?

If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIL funds, portal, you know,

make sure we bring guys in here, not, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in

and play and make a big impact and, and all that.

So that's the question.

I mean, that, you know, that's pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada.

What else you got?

Yeah.

Now, I think I'm, I'm going to go with my final answer being I think Ohio State is going

to be looking.

I'm going to be definitely testing the, the lines with the, with the agents that know about

this stuff, whether or not, Ohio State is really looking for it.

But I, I just, I think something like this, I mean, I think, I think Ohio State fans,

you saw it from the, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team.

They really want to get behind the basketball team.

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But, um, you know, it's something like this where you know, you know, you're right.

The first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know,

in every way.

And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher than that.

But, you know, we managed to take a five point lead in the second half.

And then, you know, you, you, you know, to have, I feel like it was our,

it was our lack of experience and, and I mean, I gotta say it coaching.

I really think coaching costs us today.

I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today.

I think it'd be a bad map, a bad moda, even if we think of, we had just

holding it, I think we'd have won the game today.

But, you know, that, again, that's a hypothetical, you know, we'll never know.

But I, I, I, I thought, I thought deeper was really bad today.

And I, and I've ruined it for I like deeper.

I like that I loved it, loved his brother.

I want dealer to be it.

But I just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our inbound split, you know,

like, one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many, you know,

how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff.

And I, I didn't even like our in-bounds plays.

I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets.

I didn't like the way we were doing it.

It just, it, nothing seemed to make sense.

And, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, crystallized.

And so I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be a house.

It's going to be looking, but I'm going to, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours

of their, if they're making calls because this is, this is when they start making

calls.

Yes, I was going to say, please, holler at your sources, because I want to know,

I want to know, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof

with a house, a football doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going.

I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball.

I'm just not.

So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada.

But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's a non-basketball

related, I thought was very interesting.

Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick.

And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time.

And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar.

But did y'all see the incident that proves changes to targeting suspension in one

year trial?

So here it is.

For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a

college football player off the field for the following game.

The Division one football, both subdivision oversight committee on Thursday,

approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty.

For the 26 season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season

can participate in the following game.

The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught.

A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required.

I've set out the first half of the next game.

A player who draws his third targeting of the season must set out the full following game.

And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three

times in the 2020, 2025 season.

So to me, this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule.

I know Joe clat has hated it.

He's been pounding the table.

Others have mentioned it.

I thought this was interesting.

OK, so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here.

Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period.

So let me just say, you know, I, I, let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws

in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits.

You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, it's like that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition

of pornography and he goes, I know it when I see it, you know what I'm saying?

Like that's, that's kind of I feel a targeting.

Like we know it when we see it.

Like so if you have a hit and I'm, you, you know what I'm talking about?

You, you've been in a house they fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see

guys get disqualified for games for hits were at the last second,

a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side of the, you know what I'm saying?

Something like that that, that, that to me is not targeting.

Until, so until they, I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties

less punitive on this stuff, but I think until they deal with the entire rule.

And I think the problem is with the, when you slow everything down to slow motion, okay?

In slow motion, there's head contact.

I almost every single play, you know what I'm saying?

Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90%

of the same, you know what I'm saying?

Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand, it could be your shoulder,

it could be your wrist.

I mean, something's going to make contact with the head or neck area on just about every

play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to doing the review

like that, I really think it's just got to be, I've always felt like there should be

like two penalties, like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a five

yard, I don't know, I don't know what exactly what the answer is, but I think it's just,

I don't like the application of the rule in general, the way that they do it.

Cause I think about that, that game that we played against Clemson, when we got the

remember, we got the targeting penalty on the sideway on the sideway, on the, on the

sack of Trevor, like to be there is no way in the world that is targeting, but that

got called for targeting. And so until you address that, to me, that's way worse than

this stuff about first penalty, second penalty, third period, one game, half game, no game,

whatever, I just hate the rule period. And you know, until they change that, then, you

know, I don't know where to go with that. I mean, what do you think about targeting?

What do you ask? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how

the rules been, been called in recent years? I mean, you, you kind of just spoke my

mind and you brought up that shineway targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the crown

jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no, it's not just because I'm a

buck, I fan. He dropped his head sunshine, dropped his head right at the moment when

shineway was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they

still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting. Like, to me, there has

to be common sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head. Like,

come on, man. Like, listen, I, one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's a, it's a,

it's a, the rule is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one

thing and get caught and then another guy and another game do the same thing I get caught.

So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say. You're right on it.

But that shineway play against Clemson. That was so trash and that's still hot to me is

like two, two plays in that game. But like the worst plays in my book, I fandom of officiating.

So yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead. No, it's because I know

the second one was the Akuta one. We're, you know, on the, on the, the, the Fumble recurring

yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls. But I think it goes to a more basic

thing. And this is something we've talked about before. But it's, it's about replay and, you

know, replay was set up to reverse, indisputable video evidence of error on the field. Indisputable

meaning no to reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same

tape. I feel the same way should be with Targon. If it's not so clear and obvious, you

can't call targeting, you know, with review, review should not be, I think, or, oh, yeah,

that looks like, or yeah, that appears to be, it should only be black and white. I think

targeting should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white.

And, and I think too many times the review official, the guys, they want to get involved.

They want to make the big call. They want to do the thing. And I just think until they

change that until they get the application right, um, um, replay, I think it, it dribbles

into, um, into targeting as well. I think they should be the same standard, indisputable

video. It should have to be, it's indisputable video evidence of targeting. Like there's no

question in your mind. It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that kind of looked like that. Or,

wow, he did come drop a cell. And there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty. That's

just where I'm at. And that's how I feel about review, about replaying. And, and you know,

I've been saying that for years about reply. Yep. You have, you've been consistent with replay.

And so I agree. I mean, I, I don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that

guys aren't, I think it predict, predicts guys from bad refereeing so that they don't

get ejected for a half a game. You're best player because of a bad call. So I like that.

Now, what's going to happen after that trial? We'll see. But I thought that was interesting.

In the midst of the NCAA tournament, I thought that was a significant piece of, uh, information

to update. So I definitely wanted to run that by one. But listen, uh, tough day did

not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future holds

with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that. And we'll absolutely keep you up on

that. But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that. And we're always going

to hit you with content and coverage, all things. Buckeye football, basketball, whatever's

relevant. We're going to hit you with it. Any last words about it for the hop off here?

Well, yeah. Now that, I mean, we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

You know, obviously they'll, you know, kind of work on get ready for, for next year,

be interested to see who they, who they return, who they get in the portal. You know, what's

going on with that? But, um, you know, hey, Buckeye football is going and we're going to have

it. We're going to have a scrimmage next weekend. And that, that'll be, those are always

fun because then we really get to see them in the ball trip line.

For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Uh, thanks for the one and I got to go. This program

needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see. I agree we deserve

an elite coach. Um, or, you know, are we, can devler be an elite coach three, four years from

now? Maybe is it worth waiting to see? I don't know. Either way, we, you know, is, we're going to see

in Nevada. I'm waiting to hear from your contacts, your agent folks to see what's really going

on. But, you know, time will tell, I will tell. Um, what do you think about those names? Caliperio

patino. I know he doesn't mean literally them, but it looks like he's saying this program needs a

caliperio patino type coach. What do you think about that? Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind

somebody who's from stature. I wouldn't even mind somebody who's from stature in some bag. I don't,

that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think, I think all of college basketball recruiting is

little crooked and people can say what they want about that. But that's just the way that I feel.

I feel like I, I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get

somebody with some, that's the, I don't have a problem with it. Either that or you know, you,

you go with the last honest man, the last honest man in coaching, you know, you get

from the cheese it to get B Moses. You, you get B Moses and you bring him in there and you're like,

look, we're going to go with ethicalness. We're going to go with you, you're kind of coach

Carter. You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's up there on the wall. The guys,

I'm just putting them up there and, uh, can lead us to victory. They'll like you to the

cheeses. I mean, cheeses came together like this year. They were like a, like a

disperited group. They got that and you molded them into champions.

They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day, you know, they're definitely

cheeses. At the end of the day, do I have my cheesy graphic? Where's my cheesy graphic?

I didn't upload it here. Did I? Dang it. I wanted to share it. I might have to upload it. Oh,

no, there it is. There it is right here. I don't know. Did it pop up? Oh,

there you go. That's got to be, that's got to be a Halloween costume. That is bad to be a

Halloween costume. Oh, man, that is hilarious. Um, I'm available though. I'll tell you what,

I would recruit well. I know how talk to the young boys, young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure you

better open up with them a little bit out there. Just say, hey, play a little one-on-one there

and if I beat you, then you can go outside. Then you commit. Deal, son.

Then he started raining. Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that, don't worry about that. Don't decide. Right, right. What about

Peter? Oh, it sounds like it's seen from, um, uh, why is the movie escaped me? Uh,

Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. Um, he got gang. I don't know if you see that before.

Oh, yeah. Is his dad? He's playing one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go go watch it. I'm thinking,

I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick Nulty, look good

on this guy. I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them. You're delivering

tractors up to something out there in the farm. Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name.

Dropping bags off and tractors and, I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, uh, who was the white

boy with the jumper that had the traffic. I forget his name for Indiana. You get for Indiana, right?

Yeah, that movie that was that movie was crazy. Al Bundy was the investigative reporter

I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent.

But listen, listen, it's all good, man. We love doing this. It's fun. Today sucked. But it is what it is.

We still got football. We still got football. Y'all, we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway,

that's my last words. And uh, listen, until next time we love your Buckeye School Family Buckeye Nation,

go Buckeye as always, please.

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