OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??mp3

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I'm sad, be my going to lie. I'm sad that that we that we lost today. We lost again that we probably

shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably

the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be

football football football, which is great, which I love talking about. But the buck I see is

and ended a little too prematurely for me today. And just just sad. And you know, you being the

ex great player that you were. I'm more interested in your thoughts initially because I've read the

Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. And for some reason,

you know, who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the the flack of the game is

Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought he

played pretty good today. And, you know, I mean, other than Moebly, who clearly was our best player,

I thought Tilly might have been our second or worst third best player. But for some reason,

he's just catching straight from him. And I just wonder when you were watching the game,

were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad. And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his

part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No, but he was being goofy and he was

being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has

some skill for his size. But man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical

consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complaint about Tilly finishing around a

Ram Stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like, dude, like, but he is, he has 11 points

of game this year. And he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds of game and he had six.

He averaged two assists. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half.

I'll give you that. I mean, I mean, you know, I just I just feel like, like, man, when you're looking

super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who who overachieved over their

season averages as the problem for the game. Like, I felt the refs were letting them play at

an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that a nerd doughhouse

dates benefit. I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of

the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we were up three

and they called a three-point play. I'm barely any contact and all that. It's said it was a little

incongruent. But yeah, no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought

the story of the game, you lose a two-point game. You have the all-time leading scorer in the

history of Ohio State basketball who averages 20 points of game. And he has one basket in the second

half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That

is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points when at the all-time leading

scorer in Ohio State history in a game. And, you know, I'm Bruce Thornton. I couldn't, I mean,

I don't know, was that his worst game ever at Ohio State? Maybe. No, I mean, he picked a peculiar,

I mean, there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse, you know, I'm saying because

there you go. There you go. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all-time leading scorer in

school history. The all-time leading scorer. And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket

in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know, I'm

I'm just confused to be honest with you. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that

Tilly is the number one guy. Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better

in the first half. Like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't

love Tilly because of this stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling

out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton. And we'll just talk about the game.

So, obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams like

all through the schedule blitz Bruce Thornton double shading. This thing about it, we mostly talk

about football. So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith's side. Think about it like that. If you don't know

basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key, they were

king on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like, it had like a,

like a diamond like following him around. If you look at what TCU was doing,

the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the

game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough. You don't want to force things and

basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to

be very, very aggressive to when you're when that when you pick your spots, when there's a hole

or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack and you and when you attack,

you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean. I think Bruce got frustrated.

He was very frustrated. He was frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game,

to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart,

like going into the body of punch. Instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he

can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan

frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the

same physicality. TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have. They've

been in the tournament in the recent years. We have it. We came out like we, you know, like the stage

was big. Now obviously we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game,

but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot

of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back. But it just wasn't

enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing because I love

Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton

is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent,

but I think today showed why. Yes, he's the leading score because he's been here for four years.

He's been consistent. Great kid. He stayed with a house state, but he's not he's not he's not Michael

Red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level because again,

even with that attention on him, yes, be patient. Get it to your guys, but you've got to be

aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper,

Nevada, go ahead. I know you want to jump in. Well, I mean, look, there's so many things to say.

I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels,

but played a lot of basketball in my life. And having coach, not at the highest level, the coach,

a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions

that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look

and then he would go stand in the corner. And they had completely buffaloed. And at that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming the

whole first half. I'm like, get, let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball

out of his hands. You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I literally

recognized at 17 33 to go in the first first half, it took it. Once we switched to mobility,

we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing.

I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out.

I'm really struggling with it. If somebody is going to take something away from you,

then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over

and over and over again, because clearly the authority didn't have it, whether he was

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for an office near you. Yeah, I mean, I just, he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble.

And I saw how I say I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce

Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down the clock and then running some hurried

set and getting some crappy shot up. And you know, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man,

we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying, oh, we don't attack or how state doesn't

it. We don't. That's not what we plan. I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this

TCU defense set up against you when you've got the ball. I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be

because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot

six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the

thing, you've got to be able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble

a single time today, not, not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that

just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting

open inside. And frankly, once we switch the mobile, though, everything switched and I just don't

understand why Jake Debeler, who I like Jake Debeler, I want Jake Debeler to be successful.

How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How

can he go that long without adjusting? Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was

later. Like you said, I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through

screens and sets to get him loose instead of him bringing a ball up court. But it was later.

And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's

seen this before. He's your best player. Let him work through it. Let him make, you know, good

decisions through it and and press through it. And that's what I think Debeler was thinking.

But it just obviously, it just, it didn't work well. But yes, running the offense through

Moby was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going.

But not just that, I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half. And it just was

conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in the second half,

they stepped up, started playing much better. You know, started matching that physicality. TCU got

a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can honestly, bro, we can talk about,

unless you got more to say about that, we can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean,

that was that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into

that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat, the group chat that you can't give

up that position. Now, Biden was a freshman. He's a, he's a pretty big physical kid and that TCU kid

is no, no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played

good defense on punch on that play. But that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint.

And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Biden didn't foul him. But that was just tough, man. Nevada,

what you got? Well, you know, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Biden, you know, play a

little bit or defense on that? Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU.

I mean, he was able to wall him off and look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation.

I just, again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock and you see that

there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference. But if they run it down to

the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball,

I'm telling, I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the

ball across half court and then we call the time out. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, anything

you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court and then you call the time out. I think,

but again, that's, that's the kind of thing. That's, this isn't a second guess. This was

something I was saying the numbers 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've

got to anticipate that and you got to tell them the guys they look when this happens. If they score,

get it into the front court. Let's call time out. Let's get something set up. Let's run a play.

He was obviously what they were doing. They're coming in high to Tilly. He was going to go back to

Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner jumper. But,

there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds

ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play,

but I think the setup to that could have been better, which goes to the whole day. I felt like

the entire day I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel

like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of

game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally, you know, game. It's

literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just, you know, to me,

I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach.

And I think his inexperienced showed. And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been,

you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely, I think we got to give DiBler more time.

Now I'm, I'm not sure. I'm really, I think to me, it really depends on who might be available

as a potential thing because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so

rudimentary that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his abilities head coach.

Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at.

No, I hear you. Here's the last play. So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds

and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripped to myself like, some of these takes on,

oh, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen

team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy.

I would have gave it to Moby in this situation. I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton

and he's a better distant shooter. Like, I would have, if you're going to draw that up,

I would have drew it up for a Moby. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior,

you're all tightly in score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them. And so,

I don't know. That's just me. But yes, I agree that, and I don't even say the hindsight,

but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys,

that should be something you do in practice in that situation. That would have gave them a better

chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three. Or even throw it down low to get a

foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap barring a miracle,

but unfortunate. Now, as far as what you said about Debler,

yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think

he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation success-wise. Maybe

if he was brought in three years after the hope and like he went to a max school, cut his teeth,

came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good

coach. He's bright, but today probably show, like you said, his efficiencies that he's still learning.

And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like

Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip and all

the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him with everything

he needs to get players on this roster. Period. Now, I told y'all, I just want Buckeye basketball

to be elite. I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships like under the Thad Mata,

you know, like how we work. Consistently, sweet 16 or you know, like in the tournament, elite,

that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay, but who are we going to get? And that's

not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying it better be somebody good. We better put

the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them. Period. I don't care who it

is. Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more

intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be fair. Debler is is, you know, he may

say he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early, but let's

not act like he's had the full support and had a full, you know, deep roster. He hasn't. He has no

bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either way, I want to fix the question is,

is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada by the Buckeye, you know,

administration as, hey, we made progress. We went the most big 10 games. We wanted four seasons.

We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him. They respond to him. We got

a McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean,

is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired.

Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year at

least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on on that?

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is like, I'm world-hierry state and you

can talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than

we do? You know, I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but

yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation

or the recruiting base or you know, I'm saying none of that, but you know, they managed to put

the other team and you know, Pete was kind. And I know it's one game and everything else like that,

but it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting better? Are you getting worse?

You know what I'm saying? And I think for Ohio State. Hey there, it's Ryan Seacrest for Safeway.

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You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year. But you know, it's deeper

to the guide. You know, are you delaying the inevitable? Do you see Jake Gieber? Yeah,

I guess the question would be like, do you think Jake Gieber will be the head coach here at a

house eight and five years or 10 years? Do you think he's got that kind of longevity?

And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical.

But it's one of those things where I don't know. I'm willing to ride with a lot of things

regarding, you know, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in, you know, it's not the

X's and O's. It's the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to perform. But in basketball of all the

games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they affect everything on in-bounds plays on

rotations, you know, switching defense. And there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly

impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know, a coach is just so, so

important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, like I said, I'm really struggling

with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on to Moby's hands. I mean, I get, you know,

trying to play, but if the thing about what you said, if everything you're saying, you're just

they're playing two guys over the top on them. They're shading the entire defense. They're

playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy to just keep running

into that vast front over and over and over again? When you've got, you know, a player mobily

can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that he's a guy. He's a viable option. It's all like he

hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know, so far this year. I just don't know how it

could take Debra that long to figure that out. That that's the thing is kind of confounding way

more of the sort than the, you know, the play design on the last play or, you know, should we

have stayed in his own defense or any of the other or even his rotations. I mean, even, you know,

getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did. I just, I don't know. I mean, you

know, on the last play again, do you give it to Moby who at least scored or do you give it to the

guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know, you know, any option you had was

bad. That one, four point three seconds. Basically, we've all seen the Christian late nerthing and we,

you know, like, I know it could happen, but it's hard. It's, it's really, really hard. And it,

you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage play, no matter, no matter, you know, how you go

about it. So, um, but I don't know. I, I, I, let me put you, if I'm Ohio State, I am definitely

working the following to see who's available. And working to see if, if there is an upgrade for it

because, um, I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now. And, uh,

if you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it. I don't, I don't think,

so if you're not going to keep them long term, then I think you get rid of them now. Okay. I think

you just cut your losses and, and, and move on. Yeah. Question is, will they do that? I just don't know.

I'm not confident they will. And I, I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from

going back to what we talked about with Bruce Jordan. Look at the, look at the, the, the, the lack of

hesitant, like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player,

the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate. Pull it up. Like it was needed.

Like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leader should be doing. And to

me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was.

But you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you,

make the right play, I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive.

And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it. Boom. Like that was

needed throughout the entire game to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada.

I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point. I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin

two by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway.

And shoot, CNN gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament, you better come ready.

You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get,

we get reminded of how, how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams,

and 12s take out fives and whatever. But I don't know Nevada. I mean, the question for me is,

what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep Dealer.

I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of Dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone

who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know what? He might

be okay. No. If you fire Dealer, go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be a football.

And go get somebody that says, this is a home run higher. And this is just it. Nevada,

do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in,

I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball as I am in football.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't know.

Well, I just give you a fun fact, a little fun stat. And then I'll give that to your question.

Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit his first three-point of the game in 33 seconds into the game?

And then hit his last three-pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. Between that period in time,

between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. Between the first three seconds

in the last, in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I just can't happen. That can't happen. No, no, no. I mean, 39 minutes in one basket in two

three throws. That's all that that was it. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, look,

Kano, how's they do it? Absolutely. I mean, look, Ohio State just signed Navy,

Muzzle Roll, their hockey coach to a new five-year contract, you know, keeping her away from

Minnesota. I mean, Ohio State can do whatever they want. And basketball, basketball's not

in a relevant sport. We're not talking about, you know, archery or, you know, fencing or something

like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about basketball. I mean,

it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team.

There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've

got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success

in recent success. So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and

trying to see what's available because, you know, I want to see what options they might have for

this. Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence, for sure. Like I said,

to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously, basketball is not football, but it's not,

I don't know, rifle, or they actually won national championships at a Ohio State or good too. But

you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like, I get that. I understand that. But to me,

I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis

on the basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible. You're sure they can. But will they? That's my question.

And here's Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks.

And it was an emotional roller coaster today. We're down 15 out to half. I'm thinking,

I kept saying to my people, boring a small miracle, this game is over, which I still stand by that,

because to me, I was being able to come back like we did with this small miracle because we were

just bad in that first half. But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then

came crashing down at the end and it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going

on with this program. The first time in the past four years is tough in itself. So I don't know,

man, Nevada, that's going to be the question, Mark, for me, what are we going to do? Are we going

to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds, portal,

you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in

and plug and play and make a big impact and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that's

pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah, now I think I'm going to

go with my final answer being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely

testing the lines with the with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not,

Ohio State is really looking forward. But I just I think something like this, I mean, I think I'll

have state fans, you saw when the entry, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball

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you know, you're right. The first half it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU,

you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher

than that. But you know, we managed to take a five point lead in the second half and then,

you know, you, you know, to have. I feel like it was our it was our lack of experience.

And and I mean, I got to say it coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we

had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think it'd be a fad map,

fad moda, even if we think of we had just holding I think we'd have won the game for that.

But, you know, that again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But I,

I mean, I thought I thought deeper was really bad today. And I and I've ruined it for I like

deeper. I like that. I love that love's brother. I want deeper to be it. But I just I'm trying to think

about, you know, even our in-bounds play, you know, like one thing he'd been really making his bones

on is how many how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff. And I I didn't even like

our in-bounds plays. I didn't I just I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the way we

were doing it. Just it nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind of all

criticized and so I'm going to go with my final answer is going to be a house that's going to be

looking. But I'm going to I'll know here the next 24 48 hours of their if they're making calls

because this is this is when they start making them was right now. Yes. I was going to say please

holler at your sources because I want to know. I want to know. You know, because again,

I just my confidence is through the roof with Ohio State football doing whatever it takes to

keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So yes, please keep

us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's

non-basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick.

And the chat tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time. And I think this is

kind of like just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident that

proves change is the targeting suspension in one year trial. So here it is. For at least one

season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the

field for the following game. The division one football, both subdivision oversight committee on

Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty.

For the 26 season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can

participate in a following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting

penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required

to sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season

must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were

disqualified for targeting three times in the 2025 season. So to me, this is low key significant

because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klatt has hated it. He's been

pounding the table. Others have mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted

to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know, I let me

explain to you what the fundamental flaws in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most

egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like that old saying by

Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes, I know it when I see it.

You know what I'm saying? Like that's that's kind of a targeting. Like we know it when we see it.

Like, so if you have a hit and I'm you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a house they

fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits where at

the last second, a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side. You know what I'm

saying? Something like that. That that to me is not targeting until so until they I like the

intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But yeah, I think

until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the when you slow everything

down to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact. I almost every single play.

You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's

head on 90% of the same. You know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm. It could be your

hand. It could be your shoulder. It could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact

with the head or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and

they're going to doing the review like that, I really think it's just got to be I've always felt

like there should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another should be

a five yard. I don't know. I don't know what exactly with the answers. But I think it's just I

don't like the application of the rule in general the way that they do it because I think about that

that game that we played against Clemson when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on

our way on the side way on the on the the sack of Trevor like to be there is no way in the world

that is targeting. But that got called for targeting. And so until you address that to me,

that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty in the third period one game,

half game, no game, whatever. I just hate the rule period. And you know, until they change that,

then, you know, I don't know where to go with that. I mean, what do you think about targeting?

What do you ask? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules

been been called in recent years? I mean, you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up

that shine way targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes

to targeting. And as Noah's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan, he dropped his head sunshine dropped

his head right at the moment when shineway was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call

targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting. Like,

to me there has to be common sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head.

Like, come on, man. Like, listen, one thing I do agree with Joe Clark is it's a it's a the rule

is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then

another guy and another game do the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't

really have much else to say. You're right on it. But that shine way play against Clemson.

And that was so trash and that still haunts me is like two two plays in that game like the worst

plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating. So yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not

getting. Go ahead. No, it's because I know the second one was the Akuta one. We're, you know,

on the the fumble recurring. Yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls.

But I think it goes to a more basic thing. And this is something we've talked about before,

but it's it's about replay. And you know, replay was set up to reverse

indisputable video evidence of air on the field. Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people

could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape. I feel the same way should be with

targeting. If it's not so clear and obvious, you can't call targeting, you know, with review,

review should not be, I think, or oh, yeah, that looks like, or yeah, that appears to be,

it should only be black and white. I think targeting should only be black and white. I think review

should only be black and white. And I think too many times the review official, the guy,

they want to get involved. They want to make the big call. They want to do the thing. And I

think until they change that until they get the application right, um, um, replay, I think it

troubles into, um, into targeting as well. I think they should be the same standard. Indisputable

video, it should have to be, it's indisputable video evidence of targeting. Like there's no question

in your mind. It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that kind of looked like that or wow, he did come drop

up and said, there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty. That's just where I'm at. And that's

how I feel about review, about replaying. And you know, I've been saying that for years about

replay. Yep, you have, you've been consistent with replay. And so I agree, I mean, I don't dislike

this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't, I think it protects, protects guys from

bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game. You're best player because of a

bad call. So I like that. Now what's going to happen after that trial? We'll see. But I thought

that was interesting. In the midst of the NCAA tournament, I thought that was a significant piece

of, uh, information to update. So definitely wanted to run that by one, but listen,

ah, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future

holds with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that. And we'll absolutely keep you up on that.

But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with

content and coverage, all things, Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever's relevant.

We're going to hit you with any last words and about a foe hop off here.

Well, yeah. Now that, I mean, we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

You know, obviously they'll, you know, kind of work on getting ready for, for next year,

be interested to see who they, who they return, who they get in the portal.

You know, what's going on with that? But, um, you know, hey, Buckeye football's going and we're

going to have it. We're going to have a scrimmage next weekend and that, that'll be, those are

always fun because then we really get to see the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a

super chat. Uh, thanks for the one and I got to go. This program needs a caliperio patino.

So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see. I agree we deserve an elite coach.

Um, you know, are we, can divler be an elite coach three, four years from now?

Maybe is it worth waiting to see? I don't know. Either way,

we, you know, is we going to see in Nevada, I'm waiting to hear from your contacts,

your agent folks to see what's really going on. But, you know, time will tell, I will tell.

What do you think about those names, caliperio patino? I know he doesn't mean literally them,

but it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach. Would you think

about that? Well, I, you know, I, I wouldn't mind some of these from stature. I wouldn't even mind

some of these from stature in some baggage. I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think,

I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they

want about that. But that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I, I know that industry will

enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get somebody with some, that's that, I don't

have a problem with it. Either that or you know, you, you go with the last honest man, the last

honest man in coaching, you know, you get from the cheese that you get B Moses, you get B Moses

and you bring them in there. And you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness,

we're going to go with, you're kind of coach carter. You can put like, hey, you're like my

reputations up there on the wall. They're guys, I'm just putting them up there and

can lead us to victory. They'll like you to the cheeses. I mean, cheeses came together like

this year. They were like a, like a disputed group. They come up there and you molded them into

champions. They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day. They're definitely

cheeses. At the end of the day, do I have my cheesy graphic or is my cheesy graphic? I didn't

upload it here. Did I? I didn't get, I wanted to share it. I might have to upload it. Oh, no,

there it is. There it is right here. Did it pop up? Oh, that's got to be, that's got to be a

Halloween cop. That's got to be a Halloween costume. That is bad to be a Halloween costume.

Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you what, I would recruit well.

I know how talkative young boys, young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sorry. You better

open up with them a little bit out there. Just they may say, hey, play a little one-on-one there

and if I beat you, then you come to last night. Then you commit. Deal, son.

Then he started raining. Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that.

Oh, sounds like it's seen from, why is the movie escaped me?

Uh, Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. He got gang. I don't know if you see that before.

Oh, yeah, I know. Is his dad, he's playing one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go watch it.

I'm thinking, I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick

Nolte look. Good honest guy. I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them.

You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm.

Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors and, I mean,

they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, who was the white boy with the jumper that had the

try. I forget his name. For Indiana, you get for Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie, that was,

that movie was crazy. Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and

watch that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent. But listen, listen,

it's all good. Man, we love doing this. It's fun today sucked, but it is what it is.

We still got football. We still got football. You all we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway,

that's my last words. And listen, until next time, we love your Buckeye Scoot family,

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