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about ghosts among us.

Let's talk a little bit more about situations here where you had mentioned earlier

that your odds of, and if I'm just trying to paraphrase,

I'm not trying to put words into your mouth.

So if I'm saying something incorrect, please correct me,

that the odds of running into a situation where it is something truly demonic or a dark force

in a home are very slim compared to that of something that is more earthbound that you can

reason with and you can say, hey, look, we can live peacefully.

Let's just not scare each other and more times than not, that's the simple solution.

But there are certainly cases where there's a situation where there is something darker going on

in a home that may not agree to, you know,

said human encounter and said human, you know, agreement, one sided agreement of,

we're going to coexist.

You be quiet and I'll be good.

Where that doesn't work and it still wants to keep going and it does seem to have some sort

of ill intent. Have you ever come across that personally in any of your investigations where it

was like, this is not that. There's something else going on here that seems to be

kind of dark and more than what I normally run into.

I have actually had two cases like that, both of them are in Omaha.

The one case actually I never actually made it out to the house.

We spent the day talking on the phone trying to figure some stuff out.

The gentleman who had contacted me had already had a team come in and I mean,

I don't know how much you know about like the investigators field researchers like us,

what we do, we don't charge. If we're offered a tip for what we do, we'll have cut it.

Sure.

But anybody who's worth a darn in this field, they don't charge.

No.

And so this team had gone into his home and I guess had up a bunch of equipment

with a lot of recordings and then ended up charging him quite a little sum of money and then went

AWOL. And so that case was actually kind of interesting because it was several factors in what

we did there. But as far as what he had, there was physical harm to his family happening.

The reports of what he was telling me, there was a lot of scary stuff in that house.

And I went ahead and I got in touch with a team and this is where I was telling the team

out of Des Moines actually came in. And I got in touch with this team and they ended up spending

the first weekend there. I think they were there like Friday through Monday.

And then they went out the very next weekend as well and spent a good amount of time.

And I almost want to say they were, they made a third trip just as like a tough follow-up,

like a month later to make sure things were going good. But

that type of case, you know, it's a little bit out of my league. I won't go ahead and just admit it.

That's something that I'm just going to, you know, offer out to other teams that are willing

to do that stuff. And I had the other case in Omaha that I had. There was a young lady that was

very, very afraid. You know, coming home and there'd be broken glass in the carpet, there would be

just odd things that would cause bodily harm, you know, and she was very afraid and she thought

it was demonic stuff. I don't know if I'd go that far, but it was very

dangerous. It was not nice in whatsoever. And so I ended up having a team out of Minnesota

that was going to come in. And we had it all set up and she called us. She goes, yeah, we're moving.

She said, we're moving and until we find a house, we're going to be staying at a relative

house. And, yeah, this one's going to be empty. And so the team out of Minnesota will leave

our business card on the counter for the next resident. Yeah, that's a great one to walk into

when you're at the end. Hey, honey, we're in our new house. This is great. It's going to be

wonderful. Oh, look, the realtor left their car. Wait a second. This isn't the realtor card.

demonic exorcisms of homes. What the fuck? Yeah, that might not be the best housewarming gift

that one could find. Or like the nice little letter, sometimes people leave of the memories

that they made in the house and they wish you the same. No, right. Here's a list of all the things

that we tend to believe why the devil is inhabiting our home. Good luck. Drop the mic. We're out.

Yeah, it's no kid. But I mean, it happens obviously. That's how that can work. This isn't

an interesting thing because I talk to hundreds of people and shows been on the air for many,

many, many, many years. And depending on who I talk to, I majority I will say of investigators

that I talk to have your opinion of that demonic cases. Yes, they're out there, but they are fewer

and far between compared to the rest. However, there's a few folks that I will talk to

that will seem to have the opposite opinion that there's many more out there than we realize

that sometimes these things are taking on a different form or a different way of being perceived

to hide their true identities. Now, some of the folks who are making those claims very well

respected and very experienced too, I hear it quite often, honestly, from from several of the members

of the New England Research Paranormal Society and in Lorraine Warren's original group.

And the people who are still running that, I hear that claim from some of those members.

And I talk to them on a fairly regular basis on this on the air. Do you do you think that that

is in fact the case that that there's more of that going on where things are disguising their

identity or do these things that are darker only come out for those who they know can handle them.

It's almost like I'm not going to even play ball with these guys because they for you know,

they don't have the experience of, you know, a demonologist or something. So why even mess with

this because it's not going to be any fun or, you know, I don't know what the thought process is

of a demon, but it makes you wonder a little bit how there can be very kind of almost opposing

views not, you know, against each other or anything like that, but just in ways of viewing the

spirits that are out there in terms of who's encountering what?

It's it's so hard when you can't see who you're communicating with. Sure.

And my studies go really deep and show many different directions. I look at the religion

aspects. I look at the scientific aspects and different branches of each. Okay, like I don't just

look at the Christian denominations. I don't look at just the basic sciences and stuff.

And you look at the metaphysical, you look at, you know, the psychological stuff. All the,

you've got to be broad in your view as far as working in this field. And

when you look in the religious aspect of demons and what is involved,

demons are not going to play parlor tricks. So as far as your question goes with, you know,

them disguising themselves,

different religious aspects is just they're not going to play the parlor tricks or not.

They're going to come out and just pretty much mean business.

I just read, it's so funny that you contacted me because I just ordered your first book

a couple of months ago. No. Well, thank you. There was, and I loved it. I loved it. But there

was one story in there about a gentleman who had gone to a cemetery and it was a large mass

in a tool shed that he kept encountering as he went back. You heard call this story kind of.

I know you have, you have so many stories to remember. I know that. Yeah.

That one, like, it's always like that to believe that make me believe that the demonic exist.

Because from the word go, this guy was experiencing this large looming for boating

a entity and it was kind of tormenting him from his first visit. And I mean, the first visit

seemed somewhat benign. They went into the tool shed. They thought that staying on the back wall,

turned back to look at the stain and the stain was gone and it was a shadow looming over them

and they weren't running out and kind of laughed it off, whatever. Yeah. But they kept returning

to the site and the more they were turned to the site, the more this entity just tormented him.

Sure. And he ended up studying in the demonology and referring to friends who knew about this stuff.

And that's, in my studies, that's what I have found what a demon will do.

You run into something evil. They're not going to think what you're doing and mess with them,

whatever. And they're going to let you know it. Yeah. But then on the other hand, it's like, okay,

with technology and the cyber media that we have now. And people go nuts because I say the word,

but it's the Ouija demon. It's comical to me because when you really look at this and you

you delve into what the Ouija demon, the current is a internet temptation and nothing more.

You look in. There is history to the Ouija demon. Yeah. But it is so far back.

And so it's two different things. It's, you know, but I say, we could delve into this really,

really deep. But there are people who believe Reddit stories and creepypuff is like slender man and

there's still people who believe in the Russian sleep experiment. Even though this stuff has been

come out and admittedly like this was a fabricated story or a creative writing type. Yeah.

It makes you wonder there sometimes where you have situations like that and it originates as a

fabricated story. But when people take it as real or take it as serious, sometimes it makes me wonder,

can that end up almost taking on a life of its own? Can that create or can that maybe not create

energy? But can some misguided energy or dark energy see that as an opportunity of, oh, you're

looking for this specific demon? Sure. I'll be that one today. And it's getting that open door.

It's getting that green light to come in. And it's, it's then having these effects on people

where maybe all these, you know, experiences that we hear about with this specific Ouija demon or

this or that may not be that specific demon. But is it in fact the doors being open and somebody's

asking for something? And these things can be tricky. You know, can it just this the idea of

opening the door to that, which may have been based on a falsehood story or a creative writing

piece, but then applied in real life? Can that then be the, you know, the catalyst for

inviting something else in that's going to take on a whole life of its own?

Oh, I absolutely don't see why not because I mean, it's residual energy is very powerful.

Yeah. There are many places that are haunted because like, say, you have a school house.

I've been to a couple of school houses that have activity, but nothing negative has ever happened

there. And you go to these locations and there's no negative activity. It's very positive feel to

it, but you'll get this activity. And what it is is it's a residual energy of so many people

being there, so many people being happy in that location that that happy energy just still resides

from all those years. Now it goes the other way too. Yeah. So you have, let's take prison and,

you know, forgive me for using the old term in the entertainment island. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah.

But, you know, there's a lot of turmoil in those locations. A lot of

hurting emotionally, physically, mentally hurting. And so that residual energy would stay

and, you know, maybe not these prominent energies, but like, you know, that that sad energy stays

and that's an residual thing. Sure. But what you're describing is a very good example of what

residual energy would happen. We give that that we we ourselves give that energy to

something and it manifests. Yeah. You know, and so I was totally subscribed to that theory. Sure.

But, well, now I'm bringing part because as you were talking about that, I was going to say,

I was going to say something on demons. It happens. There's so many roads we go down.

It's hard to stay on on topic because you get into wanting like, oh, this should be an interesting

thing to discuss and you keep moving. I keep a no I keep a no pet in front of me as we go and I

kind of end up jumping back and forth. Let me ask you this in closing and Jason, I'd love to have

you back on again sometime and we can certainly go down these roads and you know, we have a completely

different conversation. But to wrap up this one today, earlier you were talking about areas where

you live almost being like a ghost desert. I would I would call it where there doesn't seem to be

a lot of reported activity. Sure, there's stuff here and there, but it's not as is active,

quote unquote, as some other areas of the country or many other areas of the country. When you look

at that in in perspective, do you think that is is truly the case that that there is a massive

lack of paranormal activity going on in certain places or is it more so a lack of the living

not talking about it or really trying to avoid the reality of these things going on and a lot of

brushing off in certain areas more than others. And that's why you don't necessarily hear about

those sort of things because it's not as socially acceptable to talk about them.

Well, no, I might have misrepresented my comments there. Okay. When I when I was saying like

comparing Nebraska to Kansas and Iowa, Kansas and Iowa has more commercial

okay, lack of a better word commercial location where like you said, like the tourist

investigators or the weekend warriors can go. Yeah. Nebraska doesn't have like we just had our very

first location opened what two years ago and why more Nebraska is called the Stevenson Building.

Other than that, we have a lot of haunted locations that a lot of people know about and a lot of

them. People don't know the real history. They know kind of like the urban legends of them.

But as far as like, yeah, like activities very high, especially here in Lincoln,

it's just that we don't commercialize it. Sure. Okay. I guess I missed my misunderstood your

your viewpoint on that and that clarifies it more because I know some. I didn't make it clear.

Sure. And some people will think that way almost, you know, the way that I had taken it.

So I mean, let's take it from that perspective where someone will say,

ah, there's, you know, this city doesn't have many ghost stories or things like that.

Do you feel like ghost stories are spread out? I mean, obviously areas that have, you know,

tragic events and, you know, massive fires or saw war and things of that nature,

likely to probably be a bit more hot than a town or a city that has been relatively peaceful

throughout most of its existence. But exclude those from, from this thought and just kind of go

with the average area that, you know, it's seen its ups and downs, but hasn't had, you know,

horrible, you know, a flood knock out the town and everybody's dead. Do you feel like, you know,

hauntings are pretty equal no matter where you go throughout the country, aside from those

tragic spikes that ghosts are really truly pretty much everywhere that people have been?

I, yeah, I honestly do think we're totally surrounded by activity.

Now we're, excuse me, we're not surrounded by the activity. We're surrounded by the energy.

I mean, Einstein said energy is infinite. Once we're gone, whether we go, a lot of people

go to heaven hell, whatever you believe in. A lot of that energy stays on its earth and we

are surrounded by that energy. And a lot of it is residual energy. I mean, you can live in a house

for 50 years. Watch Jeopardy every night and not even realize that there's an energy in the corner of

your room. Yeah. Well, that's because everyone is enthralled with Alex Trebek and they're just like,

oh my god, he's still alive. You know, I'm making a horrible joke.

Absolutely, but because somebody's going to hear this two years from now and be like,

that's horrible. He died the other year. And I love Alex Trebek. So I'm dying.

I do too. I do too. He's awesome. But like, no, I'm on your question. Yeah. I think

I just think it's in different areas, different regions. That's more discussed. It's more open.

Some regions that's like, you know, if I'm asked about it, I'll talk about it. Sure.

Two years ago, we went to Hawaii. And it was so funny because like, I loved interacting with

some of the polities and folks. And they would tell me wonderful stories. And they weren't so much

about colonies. There was more about tradition and superstition. And so it was, but I would have

never known had I not been wearing my heartland garb. And, you know, gone up and said, you know,

hey, do you have on the locations around this area. But once I started the conversation,

boy, the stories were just flowing. Sure. And that happens a lot of places, actually.

I, you know, we could be at a park here in Lincoln, Dylan, something. And actually it happened,

Lake Street Lake. And my wife saw an old gentleman on the sports cross street. She went over and

said, I'm about, you know, have you ever witnessed activity with Lake Street Lake being,

you know, reportedly on it. And he wasn't really in the talking or whatever. Well, I didn't know

that she had gone over and talked to him. I went over and I introduced myself. I'm said to

one more apartment, apparently normal. And I do paranormal investigations.

Boom. Dude opened up and was like, you know, hey, I'm never a witness anything. But I've heard

stories you want to hear. I do. So I think it's just, you know, different people open up to

different folks. And but like I said, some regions, I just don't think it's, you know, some people

are just, yeah, you know, we, we might believe in it. We just don't talk about it. That wraps

out the second half of our conversation with Jason Faust. A big thank you to him for joining us on

today's program and discussing his experiences. Until next time for the Grave Talks. I'm Tony

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