Part Three: The Valiant War on Flock: How People Are Fighting Mass Surveillance

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1:29Welcome to Coopie Bohooded Cool Stuff. You're a weekly reminder that whenever there's bad things happening, there are people fighting tooth and nail with means both legal and less legal to fight those bad things. I am your host Margaret Killjoy and we are the best and most importantly, we're the best people in the world to fight those bad things. To fight those bad things, I am your host Margaret Killjoy and we are on part three of a special series about flat cameras and ALPRs more regularly, more generally, more generally. ALPR of course stands for automated license plate reader or automated number plate reader if you're in Britain. And if so, I'm sorry. Last episode, I talked about how every use of ALPRs is an intrusion on our privacy. And I talked about how it's constantly used

2:31in outright criminal ways by police who keep getting arrested for misusing these databases that they build. And we're going to start this week off with some more misuse. Like in 2025, when a Texas cop searched ALPR's nationwide to try to find a woman who had self-administered an abortion in another state. There's a version of the headline that's like, truly the shocking like this was used to track down this woman to arrest her. In this particular case, that was not the case, but it opens up the door to that kind of thing. What happened is that a woman's family contacted the police to find their kid because they were worried about her safety ostensibly. And the police used nationwide search to find where this person had gone, presumably to have an abortion in a state where it was legal. So that's chilling. And to be clear, a self-administered medication abortion is incredibly safe. It is way safer, for example, than childbirth.

3:34Flock also gave a webinar to cops on how to surveil protests using their tools. Because like most of their competitors, we'll talk a little bit more about this later, Flock has an all-in-one tool for cops to see all the surveillance of a specific area, like a one system to probably use AI to tie in all the information from all the different surveillance until like one little thing you can look at and feel like you're like in a cool action movie because you've access to all the like eyes in the sky and you get to feel like cool action, man. Flock's version of this is called Flock OS. There's also the camera's rather incredible capacity for simply being wrong. We talk about the misuse of it, even the proper use of it, of course, has problems. I have read all kinds of statistics from all kinds of reports and jurisdictions over the past 20 years, but basically these things might be wrong up to about 2% of the time,

4:35as the highest I've read, I've read other ones that say they're wrong about like, you know, less than half of a percent, right? The thing is, if I get a 99% on a test, that's pretty good. But if I go shooting, and 99 times I shoot down range, and one time I shoot sideways towards the other people who are at the range, I'm not just a bad shot, I'm a danger to myself and everyone around me. Even if I got it wrong, one half of 1% of the time, that's way too many bullets to be shooting sideways. 1% wrong is way too often to be wrong, when you are scanning millions of license plates and making decisions about who to handcuff, abuse, harm, and lock up. In 2009, a black woman named Denise Green was pulled over in handcuffed and forced to kneel at gunpoint while her car was searched, because an ALPR misread her plate.

5:38The 9th Circuit Court, which represents basically the Western 5th or so of the United States, has since ruled that in their jurisdiction, a cop can't pull someone over just because of an ALPR hit. That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, though. And of course, as ALPR has become more common, the problem becomes more common. In 2018, two brothers were on their way to see their family for Thanksgiving, when an ALPR decided their car was stolen, and they were pulled up at gunpoint by cops. In New Mexico, a 12-year-old was handcuffed, because a license plate reader couldn't tell the difference between a 7 and a 2. In 2020, in Aurora, Colorado, cops made Brittany Gilliam, a black mom, and her daughter and two nieces, including a 6-year-old, lie face down on the street, pressed into the hot pavement with guns drawn on them? Because the cops thought that their Colorado minivan was a vehicle from Montana.

6:38But don't worry, the police investigated the police, and found they did nothing wrong. The cops spoke, some was like, well, they did exactly what you're supposed to do with, you're in a high-stress, danger man, action world scenario, where everything's a threat, you have to put guns on everyone and make 6-year-olds lie face down on the hot concrete. I think that's what he said. I might be applying some hyperbolear bias to my interpretation of what he said, but the cops said, no, we did nothing wrong. And yet, despite that, the city settled a nearly $2 million lawsuit with the family, which I'm very grateful for. Basically, it was like, this was the situation that happened to be caught on camera. It happened, I think, in a crowded parking lot. It's been a minute since I looked at this video. This was kind of the most famous of these cases that I've seen. But in 2025, CBS News verified a dozen wrongful stops caused by ALPRs, and of course, ALPRs

7:38have just become more and more common since then. But maybe the most controversial legal of those sort of grey area, use of flock is for ice enforcement. Of course, they're ALPRs at the border that the Department of Homeland Security directly controls. But as for ice's use of flock for their campaign of ethnic cleansing within the borders of the country, that is more of a grey area. Fluck, as I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you, does not have a contract with ice. Even that gun show that I talked about where they used ALPRs from forever ago, that wasn't actually done by ice themselves, but by ice agents relying on local police, which is also how it happens now. Anonymous researchers file a series of FOIA requests, Freedom of Information Act requests, the method by which people can try to access the government's data since we've got this ostensible democracy

8:38and we are the government, we can often access records. They FOIA'd for a bunch of information about ALPRs and they got a huge cache of records about ALPR use. I think that they managed to get the records for like one small town but because all of it's integrated, they therefore saw the people who searched because it's like any cop in Texas who searches on the database is going to get the things from this small town and I want to say Illinois, but I can't remember maybe Indiana, those are the same state in my head. And so all of those records go through every system so by getting the information from one jurisdiction, they got an awful lot of information. And so, 4-0-4 media looked at this. If you're not familiar, just shout out to 4-0-4 media. 4-0-4 media is the only news outlet that I pay a subscription to that I'm actually happy about doing so. I subscribe to some others because of the work that I do but 4-0-4 media is the one where I'm like, oh, I'm really happy to give this,

9:39I believe collective some money so that they can do really important investigative work that has had actually pretty dramatic changes on our society. If they were a little bit further in the past, they'd be an episode of cool people all by themselves. Anyway, 4-0-4 media looked at all of this information and found 4,000 times that basically state and local cops looked up shit about immigration, very often presumably for federal immigration law enforcement. Because whenever cops access flock databases, they got to say why they're doing it. And a lot of those cops just wrote ICE as the reason. Basically, ICE doesn't have direct access to the databases but they have direct access to the law enforcement who do have access to them. But do you know what probably doesn't have direct access to you by way of our advertisers? ICE probably doesn't. It's probably not being advertised

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13:39Again, I read maybe hundreds of articles from all sorts of outlets for this story. Like I don't know that I've ever had a longer source list than any other story I've done. But I got the most out of 404 Media's reporting. And that anonymous source said quote. I was personally unaware that flocks tools were being used by local departments in collaboration with ice. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Some states like Illinois specifically say that ALPR data can't be used for immigration enforcement. But well, the data says otherwise. It says it happens that way anyway. And cops have been reprimanded in various jurisdictions. But basically, whether it's permitted or not, cops are complying with ice all over the country. If you give cops tools, they will use them for social control and authoritarianism. It is what they are trained to do and it is what their role in our society is.

14:39Regardless of the idealized things we could imagine cops doing. The role that they actually serve in our society is social control and authoritarianism. The massive backlash against flock kind of comes from three different perspectives. One, it's bad if it's used by ice, but regular law enforcement is fine. Two, it's bad that it's being misused by cops to stalk people. But with better guardrails, it will be fine. Three, we shouldn't live in a surveillance society and we shouldn't create a record of every movement of every car in the country, what the fuck we're even thinking. How is this in any way compatible with a free society? You can likely guess my own perspective. But lately, in response to the backlash against flock, more and more jurisdictions are canceling their contracts with flock. And often, just going to a competitor in the ALPR and surveillance game.

15:40The most common one that people are going to right now is Axon, AX-O-N. Now, part of why I'm doing this whole series is so that people understand that the problem is absolutely larger than flock. It's important to understand that because we have to keep our eyes on the prize. A society where we are not tracked constantly. But the forces of a moderation are going to push for us to accept mild reforms or simply allow us to be distracted entirely. We can't let them see in one way of analyzing the political world that we live in. There are roughly three political forces at work in the United States and to a lesser degree all state democracies. Only two of those forces are political parties. You've got the right wing, right? Who are pushing things in a more fascistic direction. Then you've got the left wing who are trying to go the opposite direction. But the left wing doesn't have a political party in the United States just now.

16:43Although the democratic socialists of America are currently running a grand experiment to see if that could change. Then there's the center, the forces of moderation. It's better to understand them as the people who try to stop political change. The method isn't to push things towards any specific worldview, but rather to stop other people from changing things. And this force currently controls the democratic party. I would argue actually that prior to the rise of Trump in specifically MAGA and the second Trump presidency, I would argue that both political parties served as this force of moderation who would take the radical desires of the populist movement and recuperate them into mild change. And so in this analysis, what's interesting is that right now the right wing has both political power and populism. It has both legal apparatus and a social movement.

17:46But the left wing in America only has a social movement. We change things in our direction by one of two methods. One, we take direct action and simply create the things we believe should exist and then dare people to challenge us on that. Two, we use protest tactics to appeal to the forces of moderation, to convince them that it is in their best interests to push things to the left. So the left has only populism and the moderates only have a political party, but the right has both. This makes the right sound more powerful, right? It's got both forces after all. Well yes and no. All political power flows upwards from the people. It's the same as how labor creates all value, right? Like you actually have to go and make a thing in order to create value. Well political power comes from people doing things. And this is especially true in the democracy, but frankly, all of the choppy chop action of the revolutions of history make it clear that this is true across political systems.

18:51All political power flows upwards from the people. In a cynical analysis of political parties, which is my perspective, parties largely exist to recuperate popular demands and water them down. In a less cynical analysis, they exist to translate the demands of the constituency into changes that are acceptable within the existing political framework. Fascism comes from Mussolini looking at this problem as far as I can tell. Fascism comes from Mussolini who is originally kind of leftist, but that's not where his heart was, but he was interested in leftist tactics. He was interested in revolutionary ideas and he was like how do we use revolutionary ideas to promote conservative values? Whereas before that, conservatism was not exactly looking for dramatic change, right? That was like in its name. You want to keep the king around, right? You don't want to create a new type of society, which fascism was. It was a new type of society.

19:51And so part of what we say, when we say that the Republican Party has become a fascist party, it's not just because they are racist and believe in strong men, although those are elements that are very common within fascism, but specifically that it is taking a revolutionary analysis and changing the Republican Party from a recuperative party that turns things back towards the status quo, and instead has created a political party that is interested in abandoning the status quo and using political power to push things rightward as fast as possible. And since the left doesn't have anything vaguely like that, that is part of why the Democrats seem so uninteresting to people until a group like DSA says what if the left was actually pushing for things on a political level? What does any of this have to do with flock? Well, the recuperative machine of politics has already started to attach itself to the very popular movement against flock.

20:52The people power of both the right and left wing are definitively against surveillance, but the political parties, including this ostensibly revolutionary party that's not actually in lockstep with its own populism, right? There are parts that it wants to recuperate instead of due revolution around. The political parties of both the right wing and the moderates are committed to a more cop power always model. And this creates tension. It creates tension between the recuperative elements and the people. And because the right wing relies on both populism and political power, it is going to fuel this tension, this misalignment, even more than the left. So I would say that this is an opportunity. We are so used to be unable to rely on the political system to make change that we have a little bit of resistance to recuperation. At least, that's what I hope. But speaking of recuperative elements within society, nah, anyway, here's ads.

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26:03And we're back. So both political parties are starting to offer compromises that never presented that way, to their constituencies. In the times since I started this series, I started this a couple weeks ago, but on August 26th, Florida's rapidly right-wing governor, Ron DeSantis, spoke out against flock. He told a press conference, I'm all about to can't do Ron DeSantis accent I'm not going to try. I'm all about law enforcement having tools to hold criminals accountable. I think that's important that we do that, and no one's been stronger on law enforcement than me, but I don't want to have this become a surveillance state. For what it's worth, and you don't have to hand it to him, DeSantis is also currently arguing for state level restrictions on AI. In opposition to Trump's plan to prevent states from putting limitations on AI. He said, Ron DeSantis said, like a stopped clock, that letting AI do whatever it wants without restrictions would usher in a quote,

27:06age of darkness and deceit, which I agree with. Both political parties in Florida are rushing to embrace the popular revolt against flock, and the Democratic Party responded to DeSantis by pointing out that it's happened under the Republican watch that flock on all of the surveillance has happened under Republican governorship. The Florida Democratic Party chair said, quote, Republicans have been in charge for 30 years, and instead of protecting Floridian's privacy, they allow this technology to spread without meaningful safeguards. Now the governor wants credit for sounding the alarm. Which is true, that's a true statement, but the Democrats have been just as cozy with flock as anyone else. Don't let them convince you otherwise. All politicians need their feet held to the flames on this issue. Meanwhile, the state of Texas has barred state grant money to go towards flock safety.

28:07Basically, like they used to give a lot of grants for ALPRs, but now they have blocked any of that money going towards flock safety. The right-wing governor, Greg Abbott, has come out against flock cameras. But here's the recuperation part. It sounds like ALPRs are done in Texas, right? The state says no more flock. But just the state grants are going away. Dallas is cutting its contract on 321 flock safety cameras. That's only 47% of Dallas's flock safety cameras that leaves more than 300 other cameras still operating because only 47% of it was funded by state grants, essentially. That said, the city is considering cutting $1.5 million from flock funding as well. And the reason I don't like covering current events is that all the Dallas vote stuff might be done by the time you listen to this. I don't know. The governor's press statement says basically, it's not our fault, it's mostly federal money,

29:07but city after city are canceling their contracts. And maybe Abbott actually cares about this. But it comes just after his Democratic opponent released an attack ad that says, no warrant needed in Greg Abbott's Texas and talks about the 10,000 cameras that are across the state. Politician after politician on both sides of the aisle are lining up to say that they're against the cameras. It turns out that when both right and left-wing populism agree, both right and center political parties have to at least pretend to listen. The reason that I'm so careful to frame things this way, to be cynical about politicians, is because they are very good at defanging movements, just as those movements begin to gain power. One could even make the case that this is the purpose of the political system, whether that's intentional or not. But we've got to keep our eyes on the prize. 404 media to just keep shouting them out. They've been covering ALPRs for a while now.

30:09Now, okay, if I were to shout out the most common sources in the first two episodes, I'd probably say EFF is probably where I got more, not a majority, but maybe a plurality of the articles for the earlier ones. But it's all 404 today, and not all 404, but just whatever. If you want to follow this stuff, one of the only groups of people that are following it on a nationwide level as journalists is 404 media, right. In August, they put up an article with the clear, direct, and depressing headline, cities are ditching flock, immediately replacing it with axon license plate readers. So let's talk about axon. There are a bunch of competing services, but axon does seem to be the ascendant one in the wake of flocks on popularity. Axon also makes AI-powered ALPRs, and they also make one that you can mount onto a regular street light. Contrary to a social media post I've seen doing the rounds, this is not as simple as replacing the light bulb on the lamp post.

31:11It's not just a... it's not hidden in a light bulb. It is a visible camera. There's a box on top of the light, and then a camera hanging underneath the light. And you can find pictures of these. There's an AI rendering on the product page on axon.com, and there's a photo of one on 404 media that I believe is pulled from an axon YouTube, you know, press conference about these things. Syracuse, New York, Denver, Colorado, Grand Shoot, Wisconsin, Ferndale, Michigan, Longmont, Colorado, and Knoxville, Tennessee are among many other cities, probably, but these are the ones that I can name that have ditched flock for axon. And do you remember when Ring partnered with flock and people got so mad about it, and so Ring had to say, oh, we won't do it, we're so sorry, we swear, we won't work with flock. Well, Ring has now partnered with axon, who is actually much better equipped to maintain a large surveillance state.

32:11There is a bit of out of the frying pan into the fire, with a switch from flock to axon. But people aren't really being fooled. Ferndale's residents have already voiced resistance to the axon cameras. And I said it as out of the frying pan into the fire, but there are some reasons that people have switched to axon, specifically, there's one reason, one, like, sort of good thing you can say about axon in comparison. Axon doesn't automatically feed all of its camera information from one jurisdiction into a nationwide database. So if your local cops have axon, they can't just look up a car across the entire country, and this absolutely does limit some of the accesses. This makes it harder in many ways for, you know, cops to just use their access to give ice free reign of a database. But individual jurisdictions can still link their data if they want. This lack of a built-in network is axon's main competitive advantage

33:15when it comes to placating people who are concerned about its use for informal misogynistic stalking at the hands of individual police officers or for formal racist stalking at the hands of the fascist said ice. Its main advantage for police, though, is that axon offers a more comprehensive suite of surveillance tools to police. It's not better. Axon has three ALPR camera types that I know about. It does vehicle-mounted cameras, old-school style. It does axon light post, like I was talking about with the box on top and the camera hanging underneath. And it does axon out post, which looks like a flock camera, kind of. It actually looks so much like a flock camera and has a little solar panel on top or as light post is hardwired into the post, which, you know, the light post is then hardwired into the ground, which probably changes a lot of the math about how to sabotage these things. Anyway, the axon out post looks so much like a flock camera

34:15that a cop on a recent axon webinar asked if they could redesign it so that people wouldn't smash it immediately. Basically being like, hey, y'all gonna do any work so that your cameras don't look like the cameras that everyone's mad at since the whole point of us going to you is that we're gonna pull the wool over people's eyes and make them forget about the problem. And unlike flock cameras, axon light post cameras, at least I don't know about the outpost ones. It would actually make sense for it to be the light post ones because they're the ones who are hardwired in. I don't know. Axon light post cameras can record video and be watched like regular surveillance cameras. And it can all be tied together with another axon product. Well, a product that they bought in 2024 called Fuses, F-U-S-U-S. That uses AI to look at the entire jurisdiction surveillance apparatus like all the cameras and shit, like flock OS, you know, so you can be like that cool, bad army guy going off to war against your own population. Also an axon suite of tools is draft one, which writes police reports based on body cam audio.

35:22The body cams are also axon products naturally enough. So the fight is against this overreach of surveillance, not flock specifically. And we have to remember that. We have to remember that because they're going to try and make us forget that. We've already seen like recuperation come in to be like starting to talk about how good other cameras are. How we need all of the other types of cameras in our society. We just don't want these really specific ones. Don't let people talk about that. There might be specific uses for specific cameras. Now is not the time to waste those who are discorcing about that. They're doing it because they're trying to make sure that we don't throw out the surveillance baby with the flock bath water. I want to throw out that bait. I don't like this metaphor anymore. But fortunately, the people fighting against flock and court seem to know that. They are also interested in throwing out that nope, nope, this metaphor doesn't work.

36:24The current main lawsuit, or at least the one that I've read about, is called Schmidt versus City of Norfolk. Norfolk, Norfolk, I don't know how Virginia pronounces its names. In 2023, Norfolk put up 175-ish of 176 of 175 ALPR cameras. Now Virginia has a law limiting ALPR data retention to 21 days. So that's how long Norfolk's cameras hold data. Which as far as things go is like not that long compared to some places. Right? It's certainly not three minutes, shout out New Hampshire. Although I'd rather shout out a place that just doesn't track every single person who moves. Anyway, some people in Norfolk understandably don't like the fact that there's a 24-7 warrantless dragnet over the entire city. So two plaintiffs stepped up to sue the city. Like when there's a problem that faces all of us, the plaintiffs who step up to be like,

37:26I'm willing to be the face of this thing, it's a pretty heroic thing to do. It's a real take one for the team kind of thing to do. Lee Schmidt is a retired Navy veteran who lives in the area. Crystal Arrington is a home health care provider who lives nearby, but works with many patients who live in Norfolk. Neither wanted to be tracked all day every day as they went about their business. So they sued. A public interest law firm, a non-profit called the Institute for Justice, has helped them sue the city over the cameras. The Eastern District of Virginia, which is a federal court, initially ruled against the plaintiffs. They said, nah, city can just do that kind of shit. Whatever, get over it. It's the future. You don't get privacy. But there are, as I understand it, and I'm not a lawyer. There are two main legal arguments that the state was using to back up its ruling. One was that in 1983, United States versus NOTS,

38:26set the precedent that if you're driving on a public road, then you have no reasonable expectation of privacy about where you're going. I think then the argument against that is basically like, as we've talked about a lot, it's the scale difference, right? There's a huge difference between a cop individually being able to be like, oh, you're headed this place, right? Versus like creating a dragnet that automates all of that. As for the second legal argument that they used, we're actually going to talk about it in a moment. The case has now been appealed to the fourth circuit, and the fight, which is like the regional circuit, the larger federal thing. I think it's the thing below the Supreme Court, but again, not a law-knower. And the fight has pulled in support on both sides of the case. You have as diverse of groups like the ACLU, the EFF, and the Cato Institute, that have filed briefs in support of the plaintiffs. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank, and it's just being ideologically consistent. So the ACLU and EFF wrote,

39:27I believe, a joint brief. And it says that, quote, a single camera snapping a single plate is constitutionally unremarkable, but a 175 camera grid feeding a searchable multi-week archive is a different animal entirely. On the other side, DC and 16 states, which I believe include both red and blue states, have filed briefs that say, no, no, no, it's fine. License plates are visible, so it's okay. Basically, on one side, you have all of the various watchdogs against government overreach. You have, from both leftish and rightish sides, you have the people, right? And on the other side, you have the states, both blue and red, saying, no, we want our penopticon. Let us keep it. Sean Henry writing for Yahoo News laid out all the legal arguments really well. If you want to read the blow by blow. Now, I said there was another legal precedent to this case. And it's actually why I have a bit of hope.

40:29There's a case called Chattri versus United States, it looks French, I don't know how to pronounce it, it's French. Chattri. Chattri, I'm going with Chattri. A guy robbed a credit union in Virginia in 2019. And so the cops sent Google a Geofence warrant. Basically, they wanted location data for every phone that had been within 150 meters of the robbery at the time it happened. And this helps the cops catch a guy, Chattri. But that guy has said that it was a warrantless search of everyone else. Like there was a warrant that was given to Google, a warrant for information, but it meant searching everyone in that area, whether or not they individually would justify a warrant. And the lower court cited against this guy, this robber, and was like, no, we can get a warrant and search everyone in an area like that. That's fine. And so when the lower courts decided in favor of ALPRs,

41:29it relied on this lower court ruling from Chattri. But then Chattri went to the Supreme Court. And on June 19th, 2026, the Supreme Court ruled six to three in favor of the plaintiff in that cell phone case, saying, quote, an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy in his cell phone location information. And they said that the government's argument that the search was fine because it was just a limited time and place search of every phone in the area didn't work because the Fourth Amendment is the Fourth Amendment. So the main legal argument used by the lower federal court in the ALPR case and the Flock case had just been vacated. So we don't know what will happen now. Of course, it's unlikely that even if we get the Success in Court that it'll ban ALPRs outright, but it would probably make accessing the data

42:29require a warrant and data retention limits might get set federally, which would be progress. But the real end of these cameras seems to happen at a grassroots level. When concerned citizens, pat council meetings, and other concerned citizens use power tools and through a combination of public pressure and crime, fight for our freedoms. All of that, all of the Darth Vader showing up at City Council and all of the people spraying, expanding foam on the cameras and all of that stuff. We'll talk about so soon. But in the meantime, what do I want to talk about? I want to say I have a newsletter. I'm actually, probably by the time this comes out, I will have expanded upon possibly even with diagrams. The whole thing about two parties in the recuperative system and how popular power is what fuels them and all of that. It's been on my mind a lot, and I'm interested in trying to write that out. That'll be free on my newsletter, which is called Birds Before The Storm

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