Part Two: Bothell Hell House

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Your home alone, you have an uneasy feeling in the darkness.

Like someone or something is watching you.

Why is it suddenly cold in this room?

You hear footsteps, whispers, or even laughter.

You go to check.

You feel a presence behind you.

And then the fear sets in.

I'm K-Town.

And you're listening to paranormal fears.

I went to him twice of several times

because we were still getting mail delivered to the home

of the previous tenants.

And one of the things we are often asked,

and that's a good question to ask is,

well, have you talked to the previous tenants?

You know, we're trying to find the recalls

of where this phenomenon is coming from.

Do we bring it in with us?

Or was it here when we got here?

And I would get these letters, same address,

but different names also.

I would go to the homeowner.

I was like, hey, I got these letters.

I would like to get in touch with the previous tenants.

I was just as an excuse.

Can you give me the contact info so I can get these letters

and bills to them?

It's like, hey, I can't do that.

But if you give me the letters, I'll afford it to them.

I'm like, okay, Shucks.

But then I would ask, I was like, hey,

you think we're going to have to do this house.

You think, oh, weird.

You know, he's like, no, what do you mean?

What are we talking about?

Oh, we're just getting these bangs and stuff.

I didn't tell him about the throwing thing.

I just saw these bangs and a lot of noises.

I said, oh, I must be, you know, raccoons or something.

He said, oh, you're going to send somebody a pass guy up there.

Oh, no.

Okay.

When I needed his permission to get Ghost Adventures in,

because this is how he owns it,

then this can take the rental approval.

I got to get homeowner's approval.

I went to him, I said, hey.

This was what's been happening.

I went all out, and I got the letters from respondents

in my book of our exchange.

I said, hey, this was been happening from day one, day two,

that, that, that, that, that.

And I got this team, you know,

they said they want to come in and research the home

if they can get to the solve the problem.

And I thought when he saw my letter,

and I showed him the pictures of the burnt walls,

all the burnt posters, and fire department response calls,

and all this stuff.

I thought he was going to kick us out.

I said, well, this is the words,

this is where it ends now.

You know, and that won't be a necessarily bad thing.

But it just replied to me.

I thought he would like respond like in a few days

or something, because he has to call his lawyer

about to say about his addiction proceeds.

But he responded within a few hours,

and he says, hey, sorry,

in a paraphrasing, sorry,

you're going through that.

Oh, man, that's horrible.

Yeah.

You got my permission to run whoever you're in,

and have them contact me,

they need to sort of written or verbal permission.

But yeah, go ahead.

I'ma let you, you know, this is where I'ma let you be

quarterback this with them.

Just keep me updated.

And then the last thing he said,

what I thought was kind of weird,

which he's, I didn't ask him,

he just volunteered it.

He says, yeah,

yeah, that's probably some evil spirits in there

that need to be gotten out.

And then I was it.

That's all he said.

That's crazy.

He knew something was in that house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we just find out.

Ronda's her name, Ronda.

Jim and he's her family,

who lived in the help of 2008-200.

There was one of the letters that kept coming to the home.

I did find them on Facebook.

I did talk to Ronda.

And they were having similar activity

the year 2008-20019,

Ronda and her family.

Ronda told me through Facebook chat,

through phone calls.

When I asked her,

it was really lucky that I caught up with her.

Thank you, Facebook.

But she was like,

the house was a living hell.

The house destroyed my marriage.

In her words, not mine.

She said, the house was the beginning

and the end of everything.

She said,

I talked about herself,

became suicidal, depressed,

and became addicted to drugs

and not calling that house only in that house.

And she said,

I tried to kill myself three times in that house.

And she said,

I was raped in the house also.

And she said,

my son talked about her son now,

whose room bedroom was my office,

which is probably the most active room in the home.

She said,

my son still,

she used to wear still,

sees shadowy figures to this day.

He's like 12 to 14 now.

He was so sick while in the house,

or got so sick,

he developed a rare form of meningitis

that the doctors could not determine

or cause.

And he almost died in that house.

She said, that house is the worst thing ever.

It was like a dark cloud set over that house.

We're glad to be out of it.

And I thought, well,

that's horrible living there right now.

So,

she was so helpful.

And I tell people,

because maintainer,

maintainer share everything about that house.

It's hard not to,

when you witness it together.

One of the things I never conveyed to Tina

until after I talked to Ronda,

was the shadow figures.

I had been seeing them

months before I talked to Ronda.

And I didn't tell anybody,

because I didn't know what that meant.

I thought,

is that me losing it?

Is that them getting to me?

And if I can't make her tell,

if Tina's gonna flip her wig,

you know,

and I was shadow figures

at the corner of my eye,

always when I'm in the office,

or in the kitchen,

you know, washing dishes,

and you got your back turned

to the living room,

or TV,

whatever you're just doing dishes.

And you see these movements

outside of your eye,

you're trying that direction.

And I go...

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Well, one night I was in my office

and there was a very dark time

in the boss office

during this episode.

This was during the Apparition

sidings, too,

where I turned toward the hallway

and I was able to act so lucky

but I was able to see one shadow

for you to go from left to right

across my door.

And I was the first instance

I've seen one.

And when I saw it,

I was in so much disbelief

but I was in belief

but I didn't know who to call

or what to do

because most of this phenomenon

we're experiencing.

You can't really put a face to it.

You can't really put a,

you know, you know,

I want to give this phenomenon

a mascot.

Okay?

I want to give, be able to say,

you know, because this mascot

I draw our sketch

is going to encompass

everything that we've experienced.

But up until now,

it was to runner up.

It was the great lady

Apparition

or these shadowy figures.

And when I saw the shadowy figures,

they seemed to me

from when I saw them

fit the description

better of everything we've experienced

because I saw multiple of them.

Now, when you're sleeping,

or me's when I'm sleeping,

they're pulling on your teeth

while you're sleeping.

They're tugging at your toes.

They're denying on your shin,

ankle, toes,

heel, you know,

they're doing the mattress

indentations while you're sleeping.

They're tapping on the head board.

They're getting pillows from under you.

I've been on hotels

all around the country

during this ordeal for work.

And I've been attacking hotel rooms.

I've had pillows thrown

at me in the dead of night.

I had pillows taken underneath me

in the dead of night.

I've had sheets torn off me

in the dead of night.

I've had electrical issues,

Wi-Fi issues

to where the IT of the hotel

department comes in.

I'm like, we don't know.

What's going on over there?

What's with stuff in this room?

Sorry, I'm still not going to apologize.

I can we copy you or whatever?

All that and above.

And then contact Tina to let her know

that I just had an episode

where they attacked me in my hotel room.

And Tina's like,

hey, me and my best friend just got attacked too.

We're headed to the hotel.

We were not staying here.

Tina called her best friend

to stay with her while I was out of town.

Now her friend is getting attacked

with Tina.

And when the time I've called her

to report that I'm being attacked,

I'm hearing the attack in the background.

But Tina never exiting the house.

Like, we're out of here, dude.

We're out of here.

What's going on?

I'm being attacked.

No, we're being attacked.

I'm like, we're going to hotel.

We're out of here.

You know, it just riddles the mind.

You're like, wait a minute.

Two places.

I've been spoken.

I'm in Sacramento and other places

getting attacked.

And I call my girl to let people

update it.

You know, she's getting attacked.

And her friend, her best friend.

And, you know, you hear it in the background.

We're out here.

The car started, you know.

And I happened a lot.

Yeah, but what did she say was they were experiencing at that.

And what were you experiencing at that exact same time?

When I called Tina to report my attack,

I had just had the pillows that she picked off my bed

that previous morning.

I'm calling.

Well, I'm calling Tina.

It's like early in the morning.

They're running because in this time,

Kim, I was the best friend.

Kim.

Kim was taking a shower in the guest bathroom.

And they both woke up to loud bang.

They both woke up to loud bang,

which kept them up at night.

So they wouldn't have been about that.

But they can tolerate it.

What made them say that we're out of here

and we're going to make up the stuff in the car

was when Kim was taking a shower

in the door slammed in the lights went off on her.

Not Tina on her.

And Kim was like, ah, excuse me.

And Tina comes running around the corner

and then the banging, I heard her.

I was talking about the phone.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And there it is.

And like, we got a call from the highway.

Call me from the highway.

I mean, this is real.

I think, get out of there.

Get out of the clip.

Call me from the highway.

You know, because when you're being attacked,

everything else doesn't matter.

You know, you're like, okay,

well, we're just a miscommunication.

We're here to say for a place.

There were times or nights, I should say,

where the activity would be so bad.

Me and Tina got a hotel room for a couple of days.

We're advised to do that.

And we took it upon ourselves to do that.

You know.

And then that is just crazy.

They would start taking our car keys.

The night we saw the premiere of Ghosts Retro's Demon

and Seattle episode.

We didn't want to watch that in our house, heck, though.

We rented a hotel room downtown Seattle to watch it

with our friends.

And the day of hours prior to going to meet our friends,

Tina's had a Ford Expedition.

Her car keys were missing.

Look, she's gone to this day.

My car keys, I said, well, I said keys.

I really mean car fog.

You know, and these things are expensive to replace.

I had to replace two car fogs of my car.

You know, $500,000 each.

Because they just take them.

And then you're like, you know, no one's looking for them.

They're not going to find them.

You know, even if you ask them for it,

you're going to be nice, or we try.

It's nice, apologetic.

And it's not your fault, so you feel like,

why am I apologizing?

I didn't do nothing wrong.

Yeah.

But you still don't get them back.

No matter what you do or how you say it.

They're not coming back.

We had shaman's in.

Shaman's conducted rituals.

We buried an apple tree.

We buried salmon.

What about a socket media?

What about a room?

Several.

What are they saying?

What were they picking up on there?

They picked up a lot of energy.

Oh, they have a lot of energy.

Could they pinpoint it?

Not exactly.

But they picked up a lot of it.

A lot of hurt, a lot of history.

The only thing I thought was weird was they didn't bring a psychic medium with them.

And I thought it would have been very valuable.

Was that ghosted victims?

I like out of all the things.

And I'm not saying every team came to the house had a legitimate medium with them.

But I was very surprised it.

Ghosted victims didn't bring one with them.

Because the medium could point you to what's part of the house,

the experience of currently occupying,

and maybe increase your chance of getting an activity.

Get an activity out.

And something had, okay, so explain it a little bit for those that probably heard.

That Zach was there and they didn't really pick up anything valuable, I guess.

But explain what happened and then why you think they didn't.

Because they listen, we know that maybe people don't know,

but I know they're not there that long.

You know, they're not there a long time.

Maybe, you know, 72 hours tops sometimes, you know, and then they're gone.

But tell us what happened at your house.

So Ghosted victims found us.

We didn't find them.

That's one of the fact.

They found us to the local media.

But aren't our home activated by now going on two years?

And they're attracted to local media.

The local media.

New day freighter.

I said, hey, your house is legit.

Because the media came in and had to own paranormal encounter.

And ran out screaming.

So I said, we'd be good if we get Dave Schrader in here.

And I said, what Dave Schrader called me the next day.

I think it was October 30th, 2014.

And he asked me if it was OK if him and Ghosted victims could come investigate the house.

And I said, sure.

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Before.

And they came.

They came late.

November early this summer time friends.

And they sent me their artillery before they came.

You know, travel channel and all that stuff.

And it was that I tend to read what was going to happen.

We'll be there for a week.

But ghost adventures are not going to be there for a week.

Ghost adventures production is going to be there a week.

There's two teams.

A team and B team.

The B team arrived first.

The B team obviously stands for the B role team.

They're going to do the reenactment scenes, the interviews and all that stuff.

So they need three days.

Access to the house.

Three days.

They do not interact with ghost adventures.

I mean, Zach and crew.

Zach and crew are the 18.

We're because they come last.

They arrive on the third or fourth day and they did.

But in that January it says, it says in black and white.

And I put the artillery on my book of how long they're going to conduct their investigation.

Ghost adventure and by that I mean Zach and those other two guys.

Actually, investigation was only five hours.

Five hours.

The B team who did the production were there three and a half days.

It would have been cool if it was vice versa or even Steven.

But that's not my biggest play.

I didn't care.

What I was worried about when Alito Tina was, wow.

Five hours.

That's nothing.

You know, weeks of time go days without activity.

That's just normal with paranormal.

Sometimes you go days weeks.

You know, weeks on three days or two weeks without activity.

And then it comes back abruptly.

And then the time would back in them arrive.

The activity was showing signs of dying down.

It was.

And so I was worried that they were going to come there in a short period of time.

And I didn't get any of that.

And sure enough, they did it.

What I did not expect was.

There was going to make me a tin of the scapegoat for not getting anything when the episode aired.

Because when you watch the episode, this is not my opinion.

I'm not the disgruntled person.

This is what people who watch the episode would open mind and told me.

And who were fans of the show and even came to me or found me on the internet and said,

we've never seen them treat a house occupant like they treated during Tina.

They seem to either not believe you right all or put you on the defensive.

And we've seen them claim evidence for much less trivial stuff.

There were some there there.

There were numerous equipment malfunctions that they called attention to.

Where at other episodes they would really troubleshoot and go after.

Because they did have a lot of equipment malfunctions ghost of interest did.

The batteries kept dying.

And that was one of the things I kept telling them with my equipment.

It's my batteries in this house die all the time.

So an episode aired.

And ghost of interest wrote at the end of the show note evidence.

The social paranormal blogosphere went crazy and attacked me at Tina as hoaxers, pranksters,

making it up over exaggerated.

And we caught the tail end of it.

And then when we reached out to Ghostsman to sort of clean some of that up.

Not necessarily re-edit the episode.

But to sort of get on social media and just say, hey, not every home that you arrive to,

you go to year or find something, especially for the short period of time that we're there.

But they never did that.

And I tell people when asked, well, why did Ghostsman just not find anything?

And two, there's three things I give a reason for.

The one, and there's only, and a few they can't control.

So there's nothing fault.

Portuguese phenomena comes in what we call a bell curve.

The activity, there's an activity where the activity escalates.

An activity de-escalates.

Nobody knows the reason why.

It just does that.

It's not always hell on earth.

So when Ghostsman just arrived, most of the hell on earth had subsided.

That's what got their attention.

The hell on earth.

Well, the hell on earth, the Portuguese knows not to continue the hell on earth campaign

when the Calvary's on the way.

Why would it do that?

What normal thinking in writer's spirit would create a hell on earth environment

when the Calvary's on the way?

No.

Let the Calvary come in here, stoop around.

Don't get nothing.

Leave.

And then we can resume again.

So that's what happened.

That's one reason.

But it's not their fault.

Also, was the time constraint.

Now, five hours is not enough time to investigate a home.

I've had paranormal teams come who live in Seattle.

Spend 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 hours in the home and don't get nothing.

Other teams who come in and spend 12 hours and get something.

You really, if you want to try to get something,

is you need to spend the night in the home like the UK guys did,

like Nicky Novel and her team did three and a half weeks.

They lived in the home three and a half weeks.

The Portuguese is hard for them to sit on their hands three and a half weeks.

It really is.

Also, Steve Mara, a psychologist, Steve Mara from the UK,

and Donald Phillips, who was a media, flew and stayed two and a half weeks.

So they were able to get phenomena, capture evidence.

But they know going in.

All teams outside of Ghost of Pictures knows they're not going to see

Bible's catching fire when they're while they're here.

They're not going to see large objects being thrown.

It'll be cool.

It'll be awesome to see that.

But they know that's not why they're here.

Only people who are there to see that kind of stuff are the thrill seekers.

And that's what Ghost of Pictures were there for.

You see it in the episode.

We got to see the Bible's bread for ourselves.

Well, you send yourself up the film because guess what?

You're not going to see that.

I just see the Bible's catching fire.

I responded to Bible's catching fire.

I come to a room.

The Bible's already on fire.

It's not like I'm holding it in my hand.

It ignites.

No.

It's sitting on the bookshelf.

And it's on fire.

And nobody's in a room because we maintain other parts of the house or not even home.

So it was that nature of the aspect of it.

And then the last of the third thing is like I said,

you really want to live in the home, which they did it.

And like I said, five hours is five hours.

But you'll never see that in the disclaimer of their episode.

So that was the...

That's not long enough.

I mean, coming since tells you that's not long enough.

You know, it's not going to...

The phenomena is not going to happen when they want it to happen.

No, it's not.

So that's crazy to assume that it...

And they left, yeah.

I know the show is famous and their format is some to call a lockdown,

where we got to be in the house by ourselves and the tenants or the occupants have to go elsewhere.

I don't think...

I get that format.

I don't think you can have a format dealing with the paranormal to where every instance the format stays the same.

The other teams have caught evidence in our home, caught evidence because number one,

they stayed longer and they kept us particularly me around.

You want to keep the house as much as natural as possible.

You don't want to stir much.

The phenomena is happening when Keith and Tina are home.

Why would we not want Keith and Tina present while we conduct our visit?

That's right.

Yeah, because it may be targeting you.

Right.

So you have to be in the house.

Yeah.

It's not going to keep us in the garage or something.

But other teams were able to get evidence because we were there.

We were not sent away.

And the poacher guys can nose it.

Like I said, they're in the room with you.

When they're talking through the clipboards and all they have a chance of how they were going to quarterback this thing.

The poacher guys is in the huddle with you.

They're there.

I tell people all the time.

They're in the huddle, guys.

So don't come in there thinking they can't see you and they can't hear you.

While you're strategizing, they know you guys are coming.

They know you guys were coming weeks before you arrived here.

When I read the PDF, guess what?

They're really in the PDFs.

You know, they are.

Right.

Right.

Well, you know what?

And it brings me back to another case.

I think it was the Springfield poacher guys case.

And I had Timothy, I forgot his last name.

And he told me that the phenomenon is really tricky and very smart.

Like, you know, you'd be in one room doing something.

You think you're going to catch it and it starts happening in the other room.

You know, so it has a way of tricking you when you're trying to catch it.

So I'm not sure why Ghost Adventures came at your house the way they did.

Because they set themselves up for failure the way that I see it.

You can't chase them in your tail.

What Steve Marra did.

Him and Doc came in.

And even Steve in his own book or when you interview him about the bottle house.

I'll just tell you, when we got there, this is Steve.

When we got there, you know, he told us so much stuff prior to getting there.

We like, you know, he seems sincere.

We'll go check it out.

But a lot of us seem too good to be true or far-fetched.

But oh well, we won't know until we get there.

They start conducting their investigations.

One of the first problems they had was battery drainage and equipment being unplugged and turned around.

Which is a lot of the things I was having.

And Steve said, if it finally took me, Steve Marra, to experience how much difficult the world is having with our camera setup,

to understand and appreciate what Keith was telling us with his camera setup.

Because one of the things Keith kept getting dinged on by critics and sentence was,

why aren't you catching anything on video tape?

Why are you only doing, you know, reporting video after the fact stuff?

And I would always tell people, it's not because of lack of trying.

It's because the spirits go in.

They remove the SD card.

They remove the SIM card.

And you know, cameras unplugged.

Turn upside down.

Camera's missing.

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Battery drain it.

So all that stuff was happening to Steve Merritt too.

And Keith does not even know where it's at.

And so when they realized that, they realized we had to change.

And Steve and Nikao had to change the methodology of investigating.

Because we're dealing with an elusive poetry guys.

There's all kind of poetry guys out there.

This is an elusive one.

This one seems to get more kicks out of doing phenomena.

And having people come in with the equipment.

And then, denying you the ability to capture what it's doing by unplugging, removing stuff.

Because Steve and them will come to a room where they just set up.

And the cameras will be facing the wall.

You know, two seconds later, but they just left the room.

They only went out for a cigarette break.

You know, and the cameras are facing the wall.

The motion detectors is working because we know everybody's inbox is filling up.

Because the cameras just moved.

And the pictures that are being taken are of a wall.

So the spirits, that's good to camera.

That's where it's facing the wall.

It's tricking the motion sensor.

But he, Steve Merritt learned a lot from that episode.

Let me ask you something about the phenomenon itself.

And we come into the end here.

But you know, I mean, parapsychologists can't really agree on what a poltergeist really is.

For what I want to ask you, what you think it is at heart.

You know, now that you've experienced this and looking back on it.

What you think it is.

And whether it was centered upon really centered upon maybe your girlfriend.

I know that sometimes females cause it to happen.

I mean, do you think it had anything to do with your girlfriend or you specifically?

No, I didn't have anything to do with Keith or Tina.

The demons in Seattle still goes back to try to throw some shade at Tina toward the end of the episode saying,

it's actually not weird around Tina.

There's a miss, I guess, characterization about poltergeists in my opinion that has given women or females

the bad rap, if you will, of saying teenager, puberty, women are weird.

I just spent a lot of time researching and putting both books, second book and third book,

what I think a poltergeist is.

I guess it's a minority, but there's a minority out there within the paranormal field that believes this.

In my opinion, poltergeists are spirits.

There are a third party entity to where they are a city and being, they have intelligence.

And they operate on, how can I say it, they're independent.

They are not in my opinion the result of what we call, you know, RSPK telekinesis or things of that nature

to where you have to have an adolescent or an upset or troubled child or something in the environment.

The poltergeists will create that.

And the spirit, I mean, the poltergeists, if it knows that's what you're thinking is or you're in a level of belief is,

it will cater phenomena around that belief to where you're stressing your belief based on that.

Because what I've seen, talking about the shadowy figures, what I've heard, talking about the voices that Steve Marin has,

other people have captured.

These are voices.

These are not the EVPs that you see on TV where you listen to it.

I don't know, that sounds kind of weird.

I don't know.

Well, we captured what they were able to capture were conversations between one spirit and the other spirit.

We have a voice of one male spirit talking to another male spirit.

Voice anguously distinguishable.

We put it through software to this voice recognition where the spirit tells the other one to go steal that camera.

Literally.

There's a voice.

You can't hear what the naked ear.

It's coming up on either the video equipment or the audio device voice recorder.

And it's telling another spirit what to do, how to do it.

They're questioning, they're talking about what the investigators are doing in their room.

They're talking about me, they're talking about Tina.

You know, the color of your clothes, the color of your shirt.

So those are intelligent things that are not coming out of somebody's mind.

You know, this is not a mind run, a mock or you tap into something.

It's not the force.

But these are things because we've seen the lack of a better word.

The footprints they've left behind.

The physical damage they've left behind.

Now, they're on another plane and we can talk about another conversation about the dimensionals and planes that they live in and operate from.

The physics and quantum physics specifically tells us as light as hope is to be true or know it to be true.

There are hidden dimensions all around us.

We only operate on three, four if you include time.

But there are other dimensions that are closed off to us, probably with good reason.

And we're with to say these spirits are not operating from majority of them.

And if you were to operate from the majority of these other dimensions,

making objects go through solid objects,

disappearing things, making things appear out of nowhere,

would be very possible if you operated from these other dimensions.

To you and I, it would look like, because you would say,

oh, the diamonds falling out the ceiling.

And you know, as I said, no, it was falling from the direction of the ceiling.

We don't know if it was falling from the ceiling or through the ceiling,

but it was falling from the direction of the ceiling.

And the water puddles, we've had to water phenomena too,

where water is raining or is raining inside your house or dripping from a ceiling that's dry.

There's water forming on your floor and it's dripping from the ceiling.

But you test the ceiling where the water is, it's bone drop.

It is not wet, yeah.

So that means that water could be, if it was operated from another plane,

then of course that ceiling would not be wet,

because the water is operated from another plane.

So yeah, so I'm the belief that poachies are intelligent spirits.

And there's numerous, that we did not have one poach case in our house.

We had no less than 11.

I always tell people, we had no less than 10 poachies in our house.

They're working in units and together.

And the one who, I told you just ran past me, that was a poachy guys.

The one who's really on war or the toys laid out over there, that's a different portrait

guys.

It was just so many, so, so many ones who attacked me 500, 800, 200 miles away in my hotel

and attacked Tina and Kim, two different portrait guys, but they're all working together.

One followed me and one, the other was never left home to hunt Tina and Kim while they're

those things happening and they did happen, you know, in my opinion, should dampen the

belief of the, you know, the RSBK theory surrounding portrait guys.

And this is interesting, you're right, you're absolutely right when you say that it kind

of tries to amp up like your thoughts, like it is listening and kind of structuring the

phenomenon around your belief.

So if you think, okay, this is a demon, you'll start seeing, you know, three scratches

and upside down crosses and things that is so intelligent.

I do believe it's a spirit.

Totally.

I do believe that a poltergeist is essentially some type of spirit that's doing it.

Yeah, I tell people, you know, maybe get hung up on them with three bottles of coffee.

And I'm like, yeah, you can, but don't get two hung up on the three bottles of coffee.

You're saying, if me and Tina had put three phone books there, people, I was a phone

book.

They must have, but if we put, if we put three telephone books there and we've revered

those telephone books, those are cut fire.

It's not so much the portrait guy, oh, Bible, Bible, people are looser for certain and

all that.

I'm not saying there's demonic activity taking place because there is, but we shouldn't

get out of this Hollywood as old as Damon doing that.

We put the Bibles out there and what we viewed as sacred, you know, the portrait guy,

ah, they value those Bibles.

Oh, okay.

I said they were crosses or holy whatever.

If we were to put, you know, a phone book out there and revered it, you know, and prayed

over like we prayed over the Bibles and treated it genuinely as we moved from A to Z.

They had to burn those two, but they know because they're all thinking our cultural

thinking what's in tune in us and still in us on a time when we leave nursery school

bowl.

Oh, Bibles.

Yeah, we burned that.

That's going to ratchet up the anxiety level and it did.

It's going to ratchet up the fear level and it did, you know, because I'm not thinking

of it.

Man, they burned it.

Bibles.

Man.

We will.

Well, who can't stand?

We can't stand up against that.

I mean, they burn, they burn, they burn, they burn in God's book and so we were so disabled

and demoralized and they work, I mean, it's a psychological, but the guy's activity,

I tell people, is 90% psychological, 10% physical activity.

I believe it too.

I mean, because if you had came in there and some priest or somebody said, oh, you for sure

have a demon and everything that you believe is connected with demonic activity, you guys

would start seeing.

Yeah.

It'll be crazy.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Worms crawling out the ceiling and all this.

Oh, you know, flies and stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

That is just amazing.

Well, I mean, you come off to me as a very genuine guy and I know you have three different

books about this activity that you've written.

We've talked about the first one and this was the Bottle Hill House, Poetra Guys, The

Washington State.

It's available on Kindle and is it or do you have that one on audio book or no?

It's in the works.

It's in paper bag version in Kindle.

I'm working on it.

You're working on an audio book though, right?

Yeah.

Working on it.

Got you.

That's all.

Tell my listeners where they can find out more information about you, Keith, or any other

projects that you may be working on.

Oh, yes.

So everything that we've talked about today, I have a YouTube channel and it's easy for

people to want to give them the long string address, but there's typing Keith L or Keith

Lunder in YouTube.

You're going to find my channel of 600 plus videos where you're going to see and listen

in here, the voice recordings for yourself.

You're going to see the destruction, the post-fire, Bible fires and all that stuff.

You're going to get more info about the case about what researchers found, what I found,

the previous tenant.

So YouTube is a good place to start.

Obviously, the books were all this is contained in our own Amazon.

You mentioned the Bottle Hill House book one.

Book 2 is called Attachments, Poetry Guys in Washington State Part 2, which is a continuation

of book one.

Book 2 covers three things.

Important to the reader is number one.

What was the black oil on the wall made out of?

I had that tested, stopped spray paint.

We had that tested.

Why was the house the house from here?

What made this house out of all the houses on the black haunted?

We know that now, right?

It's not Keith and Tina.

We know whether or have a good through solid theory of why.

There's a lot of horrible stuff that happened in a wrong bottle, some inside that house

that we found out that I found out.

Then what's I followed, meaning did the activity follow me because I'm not in the bottle house

obviously.

May 8th of 2016, did the activity follow me elsewhere?

Short answer is yes, but book 2 will tell you what that activity is because it is different.

It's different from being in the bottle house.

It's more darker.

Then book 3, Poetry Guys, the night side of physics covers the physics that we just sort

of hinted on today of all the phenomena.

How are Poetry Guys able to do what it is?

They do levitation, disappearing, reappearance of objects, time distortion.

We're talking about the sound manipulation, the visual, the corner after eye thing, the

water puddle, the fires, the spontaneous fires, how is all that?

Book 3 has my case and about 450 other Poetry Guys cases in it, which all have singularities

and unique differences.

So yeah.

Very good.

Keith, I really enjoyed this conversation with you and many blessings to you and Tina,

you're still with Tina, right?

Tina was a nightbrook and I was one of the four Poetry Guys phenomena.

There's no happy ending where Poetry Guys are concerned about it.

I'm sorry.

Ronda was right.

You destroyed their marriage and destroyed our books, their friends.

We were amicable and we forever both have a bond and a story to tell regardless of

who you ask.

So yeah.

All right.

Well, many blessings to the both of you guys.

I really appreciate your time.

Hey, thank you.

Thank you for having me.

Thank you very much.

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