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Max.

How was your weekend?

Let me tell you something before even I've been listening to 400 degrees.

You said you asked me on a show like a week or two ago.

Name an album from the late 90s with like 10 singles on it, right?

Like, you know, the album cuts.

Where every song could be a single or the majority of songs, yes.

And so what I interpreted that as was, oh, you mean no skips?

You were like, no, no, no, not no skips because some of those deep album cuts you

know couldn't be singles.

You're saying, so and you said eventually you said 400 degrees juvenile.

Yes.

So I like, I don't remember the names of that.

I barely remember the names of albums and songs anymore, you know, underrated album that

you wouldn't get.

It is.

It's good.

I remember liking it, but I don't remember it.

So I said I'd listen to it.

I've been driving around in the car listening to it.

Here's my verdict, Rich.

You're absolutely right to freeze it that way is exactly right.

It's not a no skips album to me because juvenile is a solo artist with a very distinctive

style.

So I can't listen to 12 straight juvenile songs, right?

It's not like a posse cut, like a Wu Tang album where you have all these different

MCs.

I mean, there are a couple of cuts where he has different guys on, but you're absolutely

right.

There are so many songs on that album that could be released as a single.

It's crazy.

You're right.

What?

Thank you.

I felt went into my, my thought process on that was as much as it was about his wraps

because Juvenile was a hell of a rapper, but also when you take Manifresh's sound, because

between Juvenile's wraps, Manifresh's sound, that freshness that you got, and then like

you said, I look at it and Juvenile just had such a distinct voice too and it was new.

And so most people, when he first came out with Ha, the single, you were kind of taken

back by because he wasn't really rapping and, you know, Juvenile got to fall in love

with his song.

And it was just one of those things.

And it was weird, but when you saw the video that visual, you was like, oh, and then

don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, it just really puts you in

this space where you wanted to kind of bounce.

And then when you got into the album and I'm looking at it, you have legit 10 cuts that

could be.

Yes.

How?

Going right with me, floss and season, ghetto children, follow me now.

And then you go to obviously anything with the hot boys on it, yes, UPT.

Then he had back that ass up, which is undeniable.

I don't care.

Undeniable.

What country you in, what age you are, it's undeniable.

Undeniable.

Right.

Right.

That's one of those things.

I love those songs, Rich, where you think about a certain song and you're like, you imagine

A&R going into the studio because, you know, A&R comes to the studio, people are working

on stuff.

Hey, this thing, you need to rework that.

There's no A&R in whoever lived who could walk in on back that ass up and tell them

I was going to skip that.

Could you imagine that?

No.

And then Juvenile would be like, well, could you explain what you mean?

And then R&B, they're going like, look, I'm not a big fan.

I'm not a musician.

I could just tell you what sounds good and what doesn't sound good, doesn't sound good.

Not possible for that to happen.

This is impossible for that.

Exactly.

And then he had a very sneaky, sneaky, sneaky feature at the end, which was so surprising

to all.

He had Jay-Z on the third.

There was three high versions.

He had Jay-Z on the third high version, which was the remix.

Can I give you another album like that, though?

Well, I can literally come fast.

Blue print one.

Loot of Chris's first record had so many singles on it, based on it.

Loot of Chris.

Yeah.

By the way, I saw Loot of Chris perform.

Yeah.

You forget how many monsters Loot of Chris had.

Telling you.

Anybody with a hell of a performer, too.

Loot of you guys.

The weekend went.

Yes.

This redates the weekend.

But I got to say something quick.

I know we got like a minute.

We got to start the show.

I don't know how the working man does it.

I had an appointment with the Geek Squad, right?

So they're supposed to install some stuff, whatever.

Just like simple stuff, like Apple TVs in one room.

And I'm still, you know, just about done setting up shop.

Had someone at the house.

They had to leave by two appointments between 10 and two.

They're not there.

I let the person go.

I show up at the house now.

I think I'm in and out.

I call them, oh, they're going to be there by 4.30.

I'm like, you know what, for that, I'll stay here.

I just want to get it done.

Four o'clock comes.

They're still not there.

I call them back, blah, blah.

Oh, somehow there wasn't good.

No one was assigned.

Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

No one ever showed up.

Even though I called twice the whole thing.

How, okay, how does the working man do it?

How does he, like, you can't take the day off for work

and sit there all day and have not, how do they do it?

Let me tell you what you needed to do.

Besides calling me and I would have took care of you.

Like I told you before, but you want to, you don't listen.

Your heart had it.

But let me tell you what you should have done.

This is what I used to do.

So, I would go into Best Buy, the closest one.

And I would say, I wanted to appointment with the Geeks Squad.

But, are they here now?

Is there somebody I can talk to now from the Geeks Squad?

I'm not going into the Best Buy.

I'm calling.

I'm just telling you that if you want to go in

and get things done properly, this is what you do.

So now, when the Geeks, when the,

you've already got a familiarity with the person.

Oh, it's Max.

So that person now knows it's Max.

They're going to be on time.

And they know that you're going to, in addition,

they're going to tip, you're going to tip them.

Yeah, no, I can't, I'm not going to the,

I'm not going to Best Buy and Waiting.

I can't do it.

Okay, well, you want to be big time,

then get small time results.

Me, I'm going ahead.

This is what the players get from Rich Paul

when they sign with Clutch.

Okay, you want to tell you, all right.

You want to be big time, let's start the show.

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Rich, for the first time since Patrick Ewing,

I see a road to the championship for the New York Knicks.

Uh-oh.

You like to sound at F for you?

I see a road.

Now, the road, boy, there's some obstacles in that road.

It is a bumpy winding, twisty road.

It goes around mountains with no guard rails.

All kinds of mess, right?

You got it.

But there's a road.

The Knicks beat the spurs at the garden.

It's one game, I know, I know.

But they also beat them earlier in the season in Vegas,

right, for the cars.

That's once in a neutral site, once at home.

We don't know how they do in San Antonio,

but we know in a neutral site and at home,

they're capable of beating a motivated, healthy spurs team,

right, spurs had an 11-game winning streak this time.

Last time it was for the cup, there was some intensity

to the way they were playing.

Knicks beat them both times.

Let me tell you why I feel like,

and I want to hear your reaction to this.

The Knicks have a shot.

If it's the spurs out of the West,

and I think the spurs have a good chance to get out of the West,

right?

So the Knicks match, you know, styles make fights.

The Knicks in certain respects matchup well with the spurs,

not in terms of player for player matchup,

in terms of style of play.

Because the Knicks can shoot the ball.

Their worst shooter is their shooting card, right?

Because their shoot, Josh Hart is kind of like,

does the job of a power forward for the Knicks in the old days.

Yes, Josh, yes, but he's a shooting guard.

Right, when Josh Hart gets hot,

they can beat Philly, for example, right?

When the Knicks are operating on all cylinders,

firing on all cylinders, because Cat can do the job at a certain level,

OG can and Brunson can.

The question comes down to, is Josh Hart hitting shots,

and as Mikhail Bridges playing physically, right?

If those things are happening, it's a tough team to be and making shots, of course.

Yes.

So against the spurs who like to play fast,

the Knicks play really good defense that slows them up a little bit.

But then on the other end of the floor,

the Knicks take shots late in the shot clock.

And when those two guys, Bridges and Josh Hart are hitting shots,

and they're doing it, and the Knicks can chew time off the clock.

It's like almost like a football team that's running the ball,

and having time of possession, they slow the spurs down.

That styles matchup.

They've done it twice this year.

We'll see if they could do it four times in a seven game series.

If it came down to it, I think the Knicks are unlikely to get out of the East,

because they don't think they match up great with some other Eastern conference teams.

Like Detroit, like the Celtics, if Tatum gets healthy, you know, like Philly, maybe.

And Cleveland and Cleveland, yep.

But if they could somehow get out of the East and the spurs get out of the West,

you know, they're probably going to have to win one game somehow at San Antonio.

They could for the first time, I'm not saying it's a high percentage,

but Rich, it ain't zero is the first time since the Knicks, since I was a kid,

that I would say it's not zero.

No, it's definitely not zero, but that road is like a figure eight.

It's not like straight, nowhere near straight, it's definitely more windy than I thought.

But you're right.

Look, I think yesterday's game two things happened.

The Knicks brought a tremendous amount of physicality, and they made their three point shots.

I mean, Diora made shots, Josh Hart made shots.

I think Macau Bridges had about four or five threes, he made shots.

And I thought, look, the result of the game, spurs on 11-game win streak,

I think they were in New York for about three days or whatnot.

Yeah, because they had the nuts on Thursday.

Yeah, and they've been on the road for a while now.

So I saw kind of tired legs.

We talked about that with another team last week.

And I also saw something that kind of, I believe, left the Knicks off the hook yesterday,

which was one, they didn't, although Vaselle made some shots at times,

they didn't shoot the ball well yesterday, looked a little tired, but also,

they didn't play fast.

And I think where the spurs could really beat you, especially a team like the Knicks,

is you got to, you got to play faster.

I thought they could have played a little bit faster.

But don't you think some of that was how the Knicks were playing?

That's why, that's why I say a style's matchup, because the Knicks,

it's one thing to slow down a team on one end of the court.

But it's kind, that's why I make the football analogy,

because in football, if you're facing a high powered offense,

and you want to slow down the game, it's time of possession.

The Knicks, kind of, are a time of possession team on the offensive end, right?

They can take those shots, chew up clock before they take shots.

So that's, but they also beat the spurs to every 50-50 ball.

I thought, I thought car anti-town did a great job of,

even if he didn't get to rebound,

which he was fighting up under the basket yesterday,

he got his hands on tip balls and under the rebounds under the basket.

And then Mitchell Robinson comes in,

and he's grabbing boards, offensive rebounds,

and second chance points and things of that nature.

So I thought the Knicks done an unbelievable job,

bringing that grit, making shots,

but also on the other end, the spurs,

they didn't put avocado or Brunson into any ball screens to exploit the mismatches.

So again, a lot of this has to do with, it's one game.

I think the two games now, this two games, I was gonna say,

I think the Knicks do match up very well with the spurs,

and sometimes you just get that, like you get those matchups.

I think for both teams, it comes down to shooting.

I think the spurt, I think the Knicks have in recent past

had guys shoot the ball a little bit better as a unit.

If the spurs can shoot the ball well from the outside,

they're gonna be tough to beat.

I think they're in the lower half of,

or lower tier of the league in terms of team three point shooting.

If their guys is making shots,

killed in making shots, if the air is making shots,

castles hitting a few,

we know Vaselle and champagne he could do,

and Harrison Barnes, those guys are pretty good making the three.

But I thought they could have played a little bit faster yesterday,

but I don't think you're wrong about that in terms of just the matchup.

I was at the game in Vegas,

and it really came down to the Knicks just shot it better.

You brought a much more Robinson.

Robinson is a playoff performer.

For all the things he doesn't do well,

shoot free throws, whatever.

He is a big time playoff performer.

When the lights are bright,

this dude plays out of his mind.

I love Mitchell Robinson.

You saw it in the playoffs last year,

but the reason I say it's heart and bridges

is when you look at each starter on the Knicks,

and by the way, if they still had,

they had to give up deep in chenzo in order to get cat.

But man, if you have somehow they figured a way

to get that guy on the team with cat,

that's kind of what they're missing right now.

But when you look at each position,

Brunson, his level as a guard,

you know, OG, whatever you want to call him,

a small forward, a powerful, whatever you want to call OG,

what he does and what cat does,

they do at a certain level,

either all star year in and year out

or very close to it level.

And and bridges who they traded five firsts for,

even though I know they weren't high firsts,

but still and and heart,

even though they're really good players,

they're good NBA players.

Josh Hart is not too shooting guards.

What Jalen Brunson is to point guards,

or what cat is to a big,

you know, McCale Bridges is not to his position.

I don't think quite what OG is to his,

even though he plays similar positions.

The point is when those two guys,

when when Hart and Bridges, who are good players,

play their best basketball,

the Knicks are really a complete team

and have a chance if they match up

with a team like the Spurs, I think.

And normally when you win,

you win offensively with great guard play.

You win defensively with great wing defensive play.

Like perimeter.

Yeah, you win with high IQ from all,

but specifically your Bix,

because the difference between a big grabbing a rebound

and going right up, holding the ball high,

or kicking the ball out,

versus a big grabbing a rebound,

not really having to clean, look at it,

and bring the ball down and get stripped.

That could be that's such a timely, important decision.

Yeah, that's between winning and losing.

If you get defensively winning and losing.

Yeah, but I think people put so much into the statistics

and it'd be simple plays, right?

It'd be it'd be simple plays that you see,

you'd be like, well, that's not a championship level play

or high IQ play.

And when you have multiple low IQ decisions

making possessions during a game,

I don't care if it's a regular season game

on a Tuesday night or a game seven,

it's just so difficult for you to win.

And then obviously the shooting,

it's still going to come down to shooting.

So that's the nicks, right?

So go to all the way to the other coast, the Lakers.

See, I think the nicks, to me last night yesterday,

I saw like, oh, the nicks do have a path to the title.

It requires the spurs getting out of the West.

The nicks somehow navigating their way through the East,

probably they need to get lucky with an injury

on the other team somewhere, you know, whatever.

And those two matching up in the nicks

playing their best balls, not impossible.

Then I go to the Lakers.

You mentioned basketball IQ.

Luca has a high basketball IQ, obviously.

LeBron has a high basketball IQ, obviously.

Austin Reeves has a high basketball IQ, obviously.

Those are three best players.

All high basketball IQs,

but I wouldn't say the nicks play a high IQ brand of basketball

and they don't look like there's a path

to the championship this year for the Lakers to me.

And J.J. Reddick, guy, you said the nicks don't play a high IQ.

So I said Lakers, Lakers.

I said the nicks.

Oh, you said the nicks, but you meant to.

My fault.

I meant the Lakers.

Go to the other coast.

Yeah, I'll do that from time to time.

If by time the time you mean like every day,

I'll confuse some names.

The Lakers don't have a path to the championship for me

this year.

And J.J. Reddick got in Luca's face.

You know, the stuff I've been saying about Luca complaining on,

and now other and other people are saying it too.

Complaining on every call, not playing any defense, et cetera.

And I blame it on the curse of the gifted.

Sit and I compared Luca to a quarterback who can scramble.

If your short term incentive is to always pick up the first down,

then you'll never learn pocket awareness, right?

If your short term incentive is to always create a high percentage shot

since Luca can get that shot whenever he wants,

then the ball never moves.

It never turns into a team game.

So J.J. got in Luca's face.

And reportedly it's about the constant complaining on every call.

And by the way, I would imagine on the defensive effort.

I think it kind of, you know, I was wondering when that was going to happen.

I was wondering if that was happening behind closed doors

because at some point that's necessary for this Lakers team, Rich.

And I know you have to be circumspect about how you what you say about this right now

because anything you say is interpreted through the lens of,

well, if it's critical of Luca that maybe he's looking out for LeBron,

this is not you saying it, this is me saying it.

If you don't want to comment on it because you don't want to add fuel to the,

to the fire of like nonsense about constant like,

oh, actually, that's rich position thing, I get it.

But that's my feeling is that if this hasn't happened yet,

then this was long overdue because Luca cannot play this way

and the Lakers be successful.

Yeah, no, and thanks for saying that, Max.

And obviously, you know how people clip things and stupidity of people sometimes

just looking for something to say anything about anything.

But the reality of it is I've been around this game a long time.

And obviously, you know, never played a game on this level,

even though in my mind, I thought I did, but the tapes are different.

But, but I think anytime you have, I didn't see the play by the way.

I didn't see what you're talking about.

But just been around for so long.

You know, that leads to a healthy relationship

because that means that there's a profound respect for the player

and there should be a profound respect for the coach.

And I think it ultimately leads to a healthy relationship.

I've been around enough coaches to see them challenge the star players.

Dean Smith did it.

Mike Sheschewski did it in colleges.

Tom John Thompson did it.

Tom Izzo does it all the time.

We know what Bobby Knight did to the best players.

When you go to the NBA, I've seen it from Spowe.

I've seen it from Tyrone Lu.

I've seen it from guys like Pat Riley and Steve Kerr.

All champs, coaches, feel Jackson.

So that's, you know, I think when things happen

in such a media robust environment that we're looking for the drama of it all.

And we want to talk about the drama of it all.

But the reality of it is, hey, these guys are getting paid a lot of money

to do a high level job.

The fact that on a get-of-the-night that there's care shown

and there's passion shown and there's a competitive nature shown,

I think that's healthy.

Can I tell you something?

So there may be an impression or maybe I'm giving an impression

that I'm anti-Luca and maybe I have been recently

because, you know, if you go to a Lakers game and you see that kind of effort,

you're like, come on, man, right?

That's not how it's supposed to be done.

But let me say two things about that.

One, if you're like the complaining every call is annoying.

But if it didn't affect his defense, for example,

I wouldn't care about it as much, right?

It's kind of like in boxing, you want to keep your hands high

to pick off shots, right, for defense.

But actually, the best way to do that is keep your elbows tucked.

You keep your elbows tucked where your hand's going to be.

Not only your elbows protecting your body, but your hands will be up.

And so that's what I would say about Luca's complaining.

To me, whatever optics are no good and it's annoying and everything,

but the main thing, the main reason Luca should stop that

is because it's like keeping your elbows tucked.

Luca, if you knock that off, your defense will immediately get better.

You're not going to be a step behind, but your hands will be high

because your elbows are tucked.

You'll be back on defense because you're not sitting there

complaining to the ref.

That's one thing.

The next thing is I should say this and like,

because I could relate to Luca's complaining on every call.

Rich, when I drive in LA, I'm mad all the time.

I'm pissed off all the time.

Because in traffic?

Not only, but the reason for the traffic.

Someone's in the far left lane, but they're not using as their passing lane.

They're going the same speed as the person in the right lane.

Even if you're going past the speed limit, that's not the point.

The far left lane is to pass cars.

If you're blocking someone behind you, you're not using it properly.

The light turns green.

No one goes.

They're on their phone, right?

It annoys me.

People merging from both sides with no regard for like, you know,

because you have these five lane freeways and people

are merging left and right at the same time.

And they're just not paying attention.

There's a million reasons why I'm stuck in traffic

and I'm mad all the time, cursing out people in my car all the time.

Instead of it, a certain point like, Max,

this is how it's going to be every day, right?

You can't get aggravated about this.

That would be smart.

Every day, like, besides the fact that I'm sure it's compensatory

and whatever else, like there's another real reason underneath that I'm doing it,

the fact is, that's the way it is.

So I empathize with Luca.

I sympathize with Luca because I can imagine he's thinking,

no, I really should have gotten that call in a lot of these calls.

But, and I'm not expecting that part to change overnight,

but damn, Luca, you got to stop with the complaining.

Both because you got to get back on defense.

And because if it's this way on every play in your mind,

what's the point in complaining?

Just, just, you got to deal with it.

You got to live with it.

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Rich, I need to ask you something about a team in the West, OK?

I think you when I came to a kind of consensus

where we at least agreed, the legit title contenders,

let's leave the East alone.

Just focus on the West, the legit title contenders

in the NBA out of the Western conference,

or OKC, Denver, San Antonio, even though they're

away ahead of schedule.

And then I thought the rockets, if VanVleet came back, right?

You got them on the phone on an early show that we had.

And he said he's working hard and da-da-da,

but without VanVleet, and especially with whether or not

it's true, the KD burner stories and what was said of everything,

I don't see it with the rockets right now.

But there may be another team, and the reason I ask you this

is both because they won three in a row, they won six of seven.

And the T-wolves just beat the nuggets, OK?

They also has that one.

Two, their best player is a dude who you said a couple of weeks ago

is leading the pack among the best players in the NBA.

And I'm not saying that you said definitively he is.

We both agree that depending on the night,

the last guy you saw, you go that guy, right?

Because there are a lot of close at the top.

But still, they have one of those guys in Ant Edwards.

Are the T-wolves a legit contender in the Western Conference

right now, a title contender?

Ooh, that's a tough question.

Look, they have one six of seven.

I kind of put the T-wolves in the same bucket

as I put the 76ers on the East.

You just don't want to play them in the playoffs.

You don't want to play them in the first round.

Because they're hard out.

And when you have a guy that can close,

like at Edwards, it puts you in a tough spot.

When Nasri has it going, Devin Chinzo is tough as nails.

We know that Julius Randall going to play the bully ball

and could put 30 on you any night.

And then you have the defensive presence in a Rudy Go Bear.

That's tough to beat on any given night.

I think where there's a little bit of a falloff

is in the bench play.

They haven't been able to rely on, don't forget,

Jatin, who was a solid of a wing defender

as you can get.

And so they have the pieces.

But when you get to the playoffs,

and you have to shorten the rotation to nine max, eight

preferably, who are those guys?

We know what Nasri can do come up to bench.

But a little, a little, their bench is not as long

in terms of quality at the end of the playoff rotation

as some others, but rich, that may be.

But actually, the way you just broke it down,

I thought you were going to say they're not really

title contenders, and I was going to agree with you.

But I think you just talked me into the idea

that maybe they are title contenders.

Well, look, they've been to the way the Nixor,

they got to play their absolute best ball.

And you need the great path.

And you need, no, it's not impossible,

but you also, you need the matchups,

you need the matchups to fall in your favor, right?

You don't want to have to play Denver and OKC.

You want to be able to kind of get around

some of those things.

And by the way, that's for any team.

You're trying to have the least toughest pathway to the finals

as you can possibly have.

And sometimes when you get close, you may decide,

you know what, we'd rather be two than one,

because one has to play four, you know, or the one versus

shaving up so interesting in the NBA and the playoff this year.

It's so much less predictable than it used to be.

There are many more teams with a legit shot to win the title

than they're used to be.

And on top of that, who's going to be the next face to the league?

Like if the Spurs run the table and Wembee dominates,

boom, he's the face of the league.

Yeah, he's the driver of the league.

If they're healthy and Joker does it again,

not only it's like, oh my God, where's Yokech all time?

He's like among the very, very greatest.

If Edward somehow upsets the apple cart and they win the whole thing,

we start thinking about him, an American player who plays above the rim,

who can shoot, who can defend, it does all these things.

There's so much at stake in these playoffs.

Yeah, like, I agree.

I think the, the wolves have two guys that can get you 30 any night.

The sixers have three guys that can get you 30 any night and you,

and they both have closers that definitely hit tough shots.

When the series, yeah, you can hit tough shots.

Those timely shots, what matter?

And I, I do want to see the backup point guard play for the wolves.

I know Bones Highland, who shout out to Bones Highland,

who had his come in and turn his, his career around,

which is a good sight to see.

But as you know, I think they went back and got Mike Conley,

because in the playoffs, those type of things matter.

You have to, you have to, you really have to honor possessions

so much in the playoffs and, and the game slows down.

Your execution rate has to be pretty high,

because you may win a game and then a team scheme for you the next game.

So now, you have to make adjustments.

That's why you need of, you know, you mentioned Conley.

Veteran players who've been there before and who can make constant

adjustments to the adjustments that the, that the other coach basically

is making for that to them. By the way,

and as you know, yeah, styles make fights, you know that.

Make fights been saying it.

So I want to go back to the East for a second, Rich, not this year.

But next year, this year, we already know if Tatum gets healthy,

Celtics are a problem. Philadelphia is a problem.

If M.B. stays healthy, Detroit could be a problem,

at least in the East Detroit is a problem, right?

The next, if things are working out, well, like if they're playing their best ball,

could be a problem, the calves could be a problem.

They have, they have two guys who can make plays in the, in the back court,

and two guys who can defend in the front court,

they got 48 minutes at all of, of playmaker,

plus big defender throughout the game,

let alone when they're all playing together.

So that, but there's a team in the East who is set up for next year.

And you could see him coming this year.

I don't think it's going to happen set up for next year in the Atlanta Hawks.

And they made a trade for a player who you and I,

at least I was, I'll speak for myself, critical of

in Golden State in Jonathan Caminga.

They traded. I wasn't.

Yeah, you were for Zingus and his expiring contract for Caminga.

You weren't I was, but the reason I was is because you were talking about

starring in your role and also high IQ players.

And when I looked at Caminga, I saw a guy unwilling to star in his role

and a guy who wasn't showing a high IQ,

I'm not saying he doesn't have one.

I'm saying he wasn't showing it on the Warriors, at least not to me.

So they move him for basically salary relief.

And maybe poor Zingus can help Steph at some point this year.

Caminga, it's only two games, rich, it's only two games.

He's been balling out.

He's been playing really, really well.

And I know he's heading back to the bench now.

You know, JJ's coming back and all this.

He's getting, he's going to the bench.

But Caminga, if he continues to play like this,

I think guys like me who are critical of him in Golden State have to reevaluate

and say, well, how much of that was Caminga and how much of that was Steve

Kerr, a great all-time great coach, love Steve Kerr, but how much of that was

Kerr and Golden State, right?

Like there's, well, look, kids, something's got to give there.

Yeah, I always say the most important thing for guys coming out in the

draft is not where you go in the draft in terms of your number that you're

picked. It's primarily the fit, like you getting to a team where you fit that

team. And in Caminga's case, many people thought he would go before he went

at seven. So when he gets there at seven, I can almost guarantee you, I wasn't in

their war room, but I can almost guarantee you go to states like, oh, wow, like we

have to take this guy to take them.

That's player on the board.

He's the best guy on the board.

Right. Now, but sometimes that

don't mean that it's going to be the best fit for either the team and or the

player. And you hope that you can kind of smooth things over, but sometimes it

doesn't always work that way.

But I also think it's also good for a young player to have a little adversity

because when you come in the draft and you're coming from a place where I'm

the top player, you know, I'm going in this top position.

There's a lot that comes with that.

And then there's a lot of conversation surrounding you and you may think that,

hey, this is going to be an easy journey.

This is going to go like this.

I'm going to walk right into a max contract, so on and so forth and things change.

Now, the beauty of it is things change with you having still opportunity in

front of you. Sometimes things change and there's no opportunity in front of

you.

So it all is all based upon how you're looking at your situation and how you

plan to make good on your new opportunity.

And in Kaminga's case, look, I think he has a great opportunity in front of

him on a team that could be a problem next year.

Yeah, and look, it could be a problem.

Honestly, who leads the front office there in Atlanta currently today,

he was in Golden State when they drafted coming originally, right?

And so there's some familiarity there.

I don't think that you can say for, I don't think that you can say, Hey,

there wasn't something gained from his stint because you're still within that

locker room with clay and Drey and staff and, and, and, and, and, and, and the

other Drey Andre, if you don't, but Rich, they want to championship.

No question.

Kaminga is set up real well and it's two games.

We'll see how it looks going forward and Atlanta set up well.

But what I'm saying is whatever, however, the problem with a fitness in that,

I blamed Kaminga a lot for what went wrong in Golden State.

And I didn't think he would be a successful player on the level.

I thought maybe once upon a time he would be, but what I'm saying now is if

this new evidence continues, right?

Then the question becomes why couldn't Golden State help more to make it work?

Like this, like it seems to me that if you have an athletic player who can do

the things that Kaminga can do, then the team should be able, it takes two.

Like the team also has to contribute to creating an environment where they

can use whatever Kaminga brings to the table.

Yes, but I always think, we think about, um, who to blame all the time.

It's not about who to blame.

Sometimes situations just aren't fruitful for either for, for, for, for neither.

Now you could tell you, you know, I can't get into what's,

they're not fruitful.

I need to know who to blame, Rich.

No, I just, you know, look, I think, I think, look, I've been,

I've seen guys in situations that wasn't as fruitful.

Prime example, I mean, look, we've seen guys get drafted by teams years

before, didn't work out for those guys that get moved and things open up.

Like we've seen that with, with, with, with several guys for that matter.

I mean, I guess it could be a situation where let's say this happens.

And Kaminga's great the next couple of years.

If Steve Kerr has asked about it a couple of years from now, he could say something

like, I don't think maybe we weren't.

And he wasn't in the place, in the right place at that point in our franchise

and his career to make that work blah, blah, blah.

But I do think if this continues, it's not all on Kaminga.

Part of it had to be on Golden State.

If the coming, if you like this continues,

let's think, let's, let's help people understand how they got there.

They got there because stuff was injured.

So you have this, this bad year where normally,

Golden Opportunity, man, David Robinson gets hurt.

You wind up with, yeah, yes.

But normally this team is, is, well, that happened with, with, with the wise men.

Yeah, with wide, yeah, sorry, with the wise men, yeah, yeah.

But, but normally, more similar, that team is vying for a championship.

And it's very difficult to develop a young player.

You can't develop Kaminga as a crazy sixth man on that team.

You couldn't figure something out.

They could figure something.

I'm just saying, if this continues with Kaminga, for me, in my mind,

it was like 100% or very close to it on Kaminga.

And now, if it's two games, maybe it was on Kaminga and the future will show that.

But I'm just saying now I'm starting to question immediately after two games,

like, no, maybe some of this is on Steve Curry Golden State.

No, I don't, I don't point to finger at anybody.

I think that, I think he's going to be better off going forward in his career

from going through that adversity and being in that locker room

and being at those practices and being a part of, you know,

playoff runs and things that nature is really going to help him going forward.

But you're also missing a team who, the shot at Hornets, the shot at Hornets

has been a bright spot of late.

And, you know, both Rick Snarl and Gabe as ownership and what Jeff and Charles Lee,

you know, executive and coach are doing.

They get those guys to buy in.

They're playing a better brand of basketball.

Khan as a rookie has been unbelievable.

Do you think, do you think Khan is going to be rookie of the year

because of Cooper's injuries?

He very well.

Or by the way, take away the injuries.

Is he just, take away the rookie of the year?

Look, normally the number one pick if it's close normally gets the nod if it's close.

Sure.

We've only seen, I've only seen one co rookie of the year that was Jason Kidd.

And who was it, Jason Kidd and Grant Hill?

Who was it in the co?

I know it was Jason Kidd and somebody else.

It was definitely Jason Kidd.

It's, yeah, Grant Hill, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So, you know, but normally that person gets the nod.

But in the event that Charlotte makes the playoffs, play in whatever you want to call it.

And the way he's playing, he's the fastest rookie to, to, to, to, he's the fastest to,

what, a thousand three pointers made or something like that.

Yeah.

And, and Rich, the other thing is because he shoots it, Cooper flagged on shoot it well

yet.

Now, it looks like he will shoot it well eventually, right?

Yeah.

Although we've seen guys like Luca come in and I keep waiting for like the outside shot

to get a little better.

When you create your own shot, it's harder to hit.

That's what makes Steph Curry so incredible is he's getting his own shot and then hitting

it like that.

Not as, it's, it's more difficult than let's say what Clay does, which is a different

skill.

It's like, it's a similar skill, but there's a difference there, right?

When you don't have a different stuff.

There's a bit of different stuff.

Yeah.

Right.

So Cooper flags gets his own shot.

You expect that to get better.

But right now, it's not just the Knipple is, maybe the best shooter in the league already.

It's that he's a multi-dimensional player.

He's not just a shooter.

He can defend.

He can do things.

Right.

He was good at Duke.

Yeah.

Right.

He was good at Duke.

Yeah.

And, I mean, they should have, they should have won every game in college.

I don't know.

Listen, to answer your question, yes, he could win Rookie of the Year.

What I do know about both of those two young guys, they're going to be really good for

a very long time.

For a long time.

And, and I think Charlotte, don't you, listen, you can wake up if, if Charlotte makes

one or two other tweaks because you forget, they still got bridges.

The mellow's been playing a better brand of basketball.

Branding Miller's a stud at, at, at the two-guard spot.

A very, a very underrated pickup, especially defensively, it's the kid James that also

was on that Duke team with, with, with Con and Cooper and, and, come on.

Then a very sneaky trade at the trade deadline, bringing in Kobe White.

They're, listen, yeah.

Yeah.

You know, Charlotte.

They got got, they got a lot of, they got a lot of back court players who can hurt you.

Uh, I'm just saying it's all about Charlotte's next step is about buying it.

But go ahead.

Right.

Yeah.

And, and Kinnippel is about buying.

Yeah.

I think if, if, if he wins it, it's going to be because Cooper missed too many games.

If, if those young guys decide, yeah, Cooper, those young guys decide to buy in and play

high level basketball, like, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,

I'm standing and those young guys that's been there at, you know, once you get paid, et

cetera, if they decide that we're going to play very high level high IQ, execute through

in and throughout, pay attention and film sessions, you know, really focus on the role.

And what they've been doing this stuff and I'm, I'm not in their locker room, but I've

seemed enough games.

If they decide that this flip, this switch gets flipped on, they're gonna be really good

in Charlotte.

I'm telling you.

But it's gonna take that.

Go ahead.

Let me tell you something about that.

And then I want to get your comments.

I want to get your thoughts on Byron Scott's comments for Get Rich Quick about how it is

like to play in the old days.

But before we do Rich, I'll just say it's interesting.

You want Byron from players.

But a lot of times you have to put, you're asking them to put the cart before the horse,

and they don't want to do that.

And I'm reminded of, I'm sure I saw this on Reels because I doom scrolls sometimes at

night before I go to sleep, that there's the famous experiment with rats where they put

rats in water and wanted to see how long it would take for them to drown.

And after 15 or minutes or a half an hour or something, they drowned, right?

Then they repeated the experiment, but they, right before they were gonna drown, they

took them out and dried them off and let them rest.

And then they put them back in.

And if you do that and then put them back in, the rat will swim instead of for a half

an hour or whatever it was in 15 minutes, they'll swim for a couple days.

Like in other words, once they have an idea that there's hope, they will try much harder

when it feels hopeless.

So when you add a guy like Conniple to a team, then guys who you're asking for buy-in

sometimes that are like, that doesn't, you know, I don't see it.

When they put this guy on the team, maybe there's a better chance that you get buy-in

because they can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

They can see, oh, actually there's hope that if we do this, we can actually win because

I'll tell you this, Conniple's good enough where if they don't buy-in, some dudes are

wide up getting moved.

I think he's a rookie.

I look at it like when you're doing a school project and everybody wants to fool around

and then the guy gets added to the school project that actually is an honor student that

actually wants to study and actually execute on a school project, I look at it that way.

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You finally got that jacket off, Rich.

You were struggling.

I'm fighting.

I felt like I was fighting.

You finally got it off now.

More comfortable now?

Okay, very good.

I'm definitely comfortable.

This time, forget Rich quick.

This is what a Brought Byron Scott said.

You're saying it's easier to play in the 80s versus today.

The game was so much more physical back then.

Byron Scott said.

You can say the score wasn't as high, but we had 12 to 15 teams averaging over 100 points

per game.

The pace was just as fast as it is today.

We played 94 feet.

They played 60 feet today because everything was predicated on shooting threes.

You're not going up and down like we did as far as physicality.

It's not even close.

I just thought it was laughable coming from one of the greatest to ever play the game

he's responding to.

LeBron James saying that the game has changed.

Your thoughts, Rich Paul?

From the eras, I think everybody's going to be biased to the eras that they played in.

I know what it looks like.

I can't tell you what it was like because I never played in an NBA game, but I think coming

from someone who has actually played and has played in multiple eras, I don't know about

the word laughable.

There's a way where you can disagree with somebody without it coming off as what I would

say would be disrespectful.

Yeah, disrespectful.

Yeah, exactly.

Disrespectful.

There's a way that you can say things without it coming off as disrespectful and actually

that's going to lead me into my get rich quick.

My opinion is one of those foundational pillars and I think respect is something that

you should lead with as every human should lead with respect and especially when someone

has earned that either through their productivity or their character with that being said.

I think for me, I was always taught to respect my elders, to respect everyone, but definitely

to respect my elders.

But then some days I sit there and I think and I see things and I'm like, but what about

when your elders do things or say things that actually warns disrespect and it's been

a lot of that going on, but then that's a very slippery slope because when you get to

the position that we are max, you're in, I mean, we've got here, we work very hard to

get there and others have to.

You got to be very careful because you get to a point to where you can say things or

do things that knock you off your square and also in that case, if you knocked off your

square, then that means you've been tricked out of your spot and if you tricked out of

your spot, what happens is you can say or do something that looks or feels good in

the moment, but looks foolish and probably is foolish and lives foolishly forever.

You know, and so I think in other words, one of the best arguments for being respectful

of people, including people who disagree with you, is self-interested argument, which

is you are doing a disservice to yourself at the very least in terms of the optics when

you are disrespectful toward other people.

Yeah, and I think we've seen this in several different spaces.

I think we've seen it a lot now and in shows and comments and things like that.

It's a weird time in this space now, but also, I go back to just that, there's a respect

that should be had and especially when commenting on things that one, you can easily just

agree with without it being offensive and then also too, if you're going even further in

depth about something, then if you're doing that without having true context or giving true

context, then that's also a disservice to the situation and so I'm going to always take the

high road with things and we didn't even get into the other part that would say, I don't

think it's worth it, but ultimately, those things are important, I think as we go forward

and as we just try to be great examples in the positions that we are.

I have two comments about what you just said.

One, what Byron Scott, what LeBron said and what Byron Scott said about the different

errors to me are both like, I think it misses the point.

The point about errors is, okay, people think evolution is about the survival of the fittest.

No, it's about the survival of the best adapted. It's very simple.

If you are adapted to a given environment so that you can survive, then you're able to pass on

your genes, right? The environmental forces create pressure that the best adapted to those

environments are the ones who survive and live on. Same thing in the NBA. The players best

adapted to a given era are the players who do best in that era, right?

When people say, it's harder in this era because, for example, in boxing, once upon a time,

the most important thing was that you didn't cut very easily, you could take a hell of a shot,

your bones weren't brittle and you could fight three times in a week, right? That was like

a hundred years ago. Then a hundred years later, the most important thing is that you can focus

intensely twice a year for 12 rounds, right? It's a different skill set. Now, some people

are just kind of their makeup is such that they could have competed in multiple errors.

Some people, maybe they wouldn't have competed as well in a previous era as they would in this era.

Sometimes you look at the environmental pressures and you say, well, this guy didn't shoot the

three well enough to play in this era. On the other hand, hitting plate in this era, he shot a

good free throw percentage, he'd have shot many more threes and likely would have shot better from

three. I don't know. Our Byron Scott and LeBron saying or having commentary about how certain errors

required a narrower range of skills. I'm not quite sure what the argument really is because both

errors are tougher in different ways, right? That's why the players who succeeded in their given

era, they were, they had to be well adapted for it. If you want to say was LeBron also well

adapted for the 80s, of course. Like, would he have complained as much about calls or flopped as

much? No, because you wouldn't get away with it then. But he's six foot nine, two hundred sixty

pounds, can shoot, can defend, has a genius basketball IQ, can score, can drive, duh, he would have

been great in the 80s or in any era. But the, the environmental forces of that era would have shaped

his game a little bit differently, right? I just think it's a silly argument to tell you the truth.

Yeah, but, but, but there wasn't an argument. There was a comment and then there was a rebuttal

to a comment on a platform. I don't even know what platform it was that led to a bunch of other

silliness to be honest with you. Can I, can I see something else about respect? You bring up a really

good point. Look, I am frequently, I talked about sitting in traffic and getting mad at everybody.

But I find myself thinking people are idiots all the time, right? And that is true. They are.

Most people are idiots, including me, everyone's an idiot. In some way, in various ways, I'm a

complete idiot, right? In terms of rational thought, I'm really good. And, and I look around that I

see other people and I go, you gotta be kidding. But in terms of other things, including maybe social

IQ or intuition about things or artistic ability or a million or life experience, I'm the idiot.

And there's the point about respect is, yes, you can, you can, you can be, you can have a low

opinion of various people, you know, of various qualities about a lot of people. That's fine.

But you should be respectful because they have things to teach you. They know things that you

don't. They have qualities that are better than your quality in that same area. And so for that

reason, among others, of course, you should be respectful when dealing with people. Yeah, I mean,

look, I'm going to be respectful just because that's how I was raised by Minervan and Richard

and my community. But with that being said, also, you would think that if someone asks the question

or someone made a comment, one, you have to say, okay, who made that comment? Does that person

have the merit to make that comment based upon what productivity, accomplishments, etc. Oh,

and if they do, then that should affect your answer. But it shouldn't be, oh, it shouldn't be

taken offensive one. It definitely shouldn't be taken as if they're talking to me too. And then

three, it becomes a thing where you allow yourself to get pushed into a place where the context of

what you then say going forward is a little cloudy. And then that stuff gets clipped and it just

goes on and on. And also, it becomes about what it really, so there's a, I studied acting at one

point in my life. I wanted to be an actor, so I went to a study Stanford Meisner, okay. Meisner

technique. And there's a, there's a, an exercise in Meisner technique called the repetition exercise.

Someone says something and you repeat what they say and they repeat what you say and you go back

and forth just repeating the same phrase. And then over time, it changes and you keep repeating.

And the point is the words are not important. What's important is what's underneath the emotion

and what the person, the real message about how you're feeling about the other person,

about whether they're respecting you or not all that stuff. When something like this happens and

you mentioned it gets taken out of context in the media, it's not even about the words anymore.

It's about the feeling underneath. It's about the fact that one person feels disrespected. So

now they're dis, it's like a repetition exercise. It turns into what they're actually arguing about

or no longer the details. It's about, it's about the respect or lack thereof that is felt.

Yeah, and that happens when people feel like they don't, they don't need to mince words and,

and maybe you don't, but, but it's less about mincing and it's more about clarification and

context, you know, and, and at the end of the day, it's just about respect because there's two

sides of it. And then if you go on the other side to where, you know, you exude what you feel

is being exuded towards you, based upon the position that you sit in, it just becomes a thing that,

me personally, I'm going to always take the high road because that's just who I am as a man,

but it just becomes a thing where how long you want somebody to take the high road, you know?

And so, I do know, I like to, I like to push, me personally, I like to push past those things,

but it's unfortunate in a lot of ways. So, but here, but respect is, is important.

Good get rich quick. Here's five minute max, but it's not going to take five.

Rich would, because now I want, because then I want to talk a little bit about the NFL combine,

but the NFL combine reminds me. Yeah, yeah, we got some stuff to talk about, but it reminds me.

The fact that the fact that, you know, they got some prospects, the fact that the NFL combine

leads sports shows in the middle of the NBA season during spring training before the combine even

begins at lead sports shows. And the question is why, right? Because the NFL, there's a lesson to

be learned, but I think a lot of people think the NFL is infallible and it's run by these geniuses

who look just copy the NFL copy the NFL. It's run exceptionally well, of course, and they're

incredibly successful. Maybe the most powerful entertainment in a entity, certainly in this country,

but internationally, even like they are as powerful an entertainment entity as exists on the

planet earth. So they've made a lot of good decisions, but they also have a certain structural

advantage, rich, which is accidental or incidental. It's such a brutal sport that they can't have

a lot of inventory. You can't play three times a week or every day, like in baseball or three

times a week, like in basketball. You can't do it. It's too brutal. You can play once a week and

not all year. So because of that, the NFL has a has low supply. And so, you know, the inverse

sleep report, the inverse proportional relationship between supply and demand, high demand, lower supply,

higher the demand. And they capitalize off that because since there are so few games, everyone can

follow them. So it's a national sport. So their draft becomes interesting to everybody because

everyone can watch basically all the NFL games. Now, that's not intentional. The NFL didn't do

that because they're geniuses. They did it because of the nature of the sport. In fact, the owners

have pushed against that. They went from 14 games to 16 to 17. Now they want 18. They want more

inventory. And this gets to what I always talk about short term versus long term incentives.

The short term incentive is more, more, more, more, more. The long term incentive is don't have

so much inventory that you cease being a national sport because there's just too much to follow.

And you become super local like baseball or less a national sport where everyone can watch every

game like basketball. It's, it's accidental. It's incidental. We're not incidental because it's

the nature of the sport itself that gives the NFL a structural advantage. But there is something to

be learned from that advantage for basketball and baseball, Rich, which is, I mean, that's really

all I have to say for it because I could tee you up on this. What's the lesson to be learned

from the NFL structural advantage of only having 17 games and, and therefore having events like

the combine outrate midseason games and the other sports. Well, I think the big picture thing,

which you're saying is less is more in a lot of ways. Yes. And, but the NFL also have things that

I always say you can carve out and build around. Think about it from the combine perspective,

the combine is one thing, but just carving out and building around 40 time. Right. That's a whole

another asset to the combine. The combine is this 40 time is something different and the 40 time

goes. Let's get into that right now, Rich. I love everything. I love where you're going. I love

where you're going. So basically the short of it is too much inventory in the NBA and the, and

Major League Baseball. Try to maybe shorten your seasons a little bit and, and we'll see what

happens with the ratings, but you just want to see it. I understand the business side of it.

But go ahead. Listen, but even long term business you've mentioned that you it may be profitable

long term. If we can take 10 games off the NBA, long as it doesn't affect the business deals

that's already done. But go ahead. Right. Right. You may have to wait for them to last. Okay.

Average 40 R dash times set records at the combine since you brought up the 40 rich.

Yes it did. You see our bell Reese. Dude, everyone's setting records. Do you see sunny styles?

Do you see his brother Lorenzo? You got linebackers. You got runbacks. You got the, and I want to

give a shout out to Casey Concepcion. Oh, good one. Because what he did, the courage he showed

at the combine, you know, I've worked with and like a little brother to me, Michael Kid Gilchress,

who also had a speech impediment. And today he goes out. And this is what he does. He played

his years in the NBA. And this is what he's passionate about. And to see that young man get up there

and to show the courage that he showed to me. It's a starter. Yeah. As much as it what, believe

me, it was a great combine. I mean, the DBs were fat. I mean, and we've had some, we had some

guys that did extremely well. But that was, that really took the cake for me. What he did.

Yeah, I mean, that people who make fun of it, you got to be kidding me. That route running,

that catching. Right. No starter on that. Great. And go all the way to the bank. And, and you,

you know, so I was just happy for him and his family and that regard. But no, it was a, listen,

I think it was a big guy yesterday. He was, he was rolling. I think he ran like a four or nine

or something. Maybe it was a big, he was like 300, 296 pounds or something rolling. But here's

what I would say about the 40 times as fast as those guys were. See, I look at 40 times a lot like

I look at athleticism in the NBA. You can't get too wrapped up in those things because a guy could

be fast, super fast. And a guy could be super athletic. But you become so dependent of those

things that you lack the other things that it take to be a great. Rich, they already have a

combine. It's called your tape. The tape don't lie, right? They played a bunch of games in college.

You want to know how fast they run? How well they cut it? Watch tape. That's a great, but it is

a great thing to have as an asset for the NFL, the combine and to build around these. The 40

time is, is, is, I, that's a great asset to have. Yeah, you set up like you're excited about every

event. Yeah, real quick NFL draft. Would you rather have the number one pick or the field?

This goes for NFL draft or any draft. It depends, man. Like in most cases, I'm taking the field.

I'm taking the field. I think I am too. Nothing against Mendoza. And there's no knock against Mendoza.

But there's so many great players, Hall of Fame level talents. If everything can go right in this

draft, I mean, I'm seeing guys that could possibly, man, I mean, you look at all these edges they

have. You look at a guy. Deep, deep receivers, deep receiver, and elite running back, cornered back,

and then running back. Yeah, you have linebackers that's got an offensive line men who could make,

will go high, high up. Yeah, I mean, I saw some tight ends rolling. You have a safety that

could be top five. I mean, Caleb Downs is probably the smartest football player that we've seen

in a while, you know, in terms of just how he approaches the game. They didn't receive a core. I

mean, you have, I mean, it's a lot of talent. It's a lot of talent in this year's draft. So

because it's this year's draft and it's so heavily talented, I'm taking the field. I'm taking the

field too. Ready to do some emails before we get out here? Yeah, let's do some emails. Ryan. Oh,

I want to shout out my guys. Mike will be Jordan and Ryan Kugler and whole cast for centers that

they had unbelievable. I guess it's been a week or a couple days of just they've been crushing

in the award. I worked with both those guys on Creed one, the first Creed. Yeah, you did. Yeah,

you did. Yeah. And I would add the way they would like to be Jordan, who is amazing. And he

was great since I was talking about the wire. He was great since the first time you saw him on

the wire. Fruitville station. Fruitvow station and Kugler is just, you know, Kugler is like one of

the greats. But the they were in. I mean, there was a, there were some good films that came out

this year. It was a very tough crowd to beat to come out. I mean, the, the, the Leo movie with Leo

and, um, um, who was in that movie, uh, Regina one battle after another. Yeah, one battle after

after another. I would love to get out to the movies again before they're gone, before the theaters

are gone. You should go to the movies. I know I, I, what, what kind of, you know, I got to convince

my daughter that I could take her to the movie. Antiana. I'm forgetting. I don't know why my,

my brain was. So Ryan wants to know about your new balance kicks rich. Are you ever going to

put them out for sale? That's what he wants to know is friends and family thing. Your new balance,

the clutch, the, the RPs. No, the RPs are already sold out. They're, they're gone. They're gone.

Was it, he wants to know? Was it a friendly thing? No, he might, he's, I think he's talking about

the AC runners, the clutch athletics, AC runners that we just did over, uh, uh, preview

it over all star. Yes, they come out April 1st. All right. April 1st, the blue and white pair

were friends and family. And that was for all star. We did two days of activation that we gave

him away, but the black and white pair comes out April 1st, black and white, April 1st. We have

Mont, we have multiple colors coming in that shit. All right. Good. Get them before they sell out.

Very close rights. Thanks for the shout out to dark. He's talking to me, the show dark best show I've

ever seen. People fall into two camps. It's the greatest show I've ever made or never heard of it.

It's not the greatest show I've ever made, but I would say dark is one of the best show,

the best show I've ever made by far. Like, let's put it in its own category as the wire.

Then we can talk about it. That's it. Yeah. Best show ever made it. It's like, it's, it's not even

close. Right. When people say sopranos, I used to say the model's right. It's the wire.

Yes, the wire. And I get offended when people come out, they, like, snowfall and they start

comparing it. Snowfall is a fun show. Please stop comparing shows to the wire. It's not the same

animal. It's a different thing. Yes. Dark is awesome. Dark is. I never watch that. I should

watch it. It's, yeah, German show on Netflix. And, but it's about it. Like, let's, I'll just say this

without ruining anything. The first couple episodes, you think it's some commentary on the cold war,

maybe you're not sure. And by the third or fourth episode, you're like, oh, pardon me.

I did not know it. And then you go back. You have to, like, once you're through the whole series,

you go back and watch the first episode, you again, and there are little clues and little

details that you didn't see. And it's great. All right. Paul asks, oh, but before we even move on,

you know, what's, you know, people who love Game of Thrones, Rich? Who? There's a, people love

Game of Thrones earlier. Yes, they do. Yes. When it was going according to the books, it was a great

show. And then went away from the books and it fell off. But if you like Game of Thrones,

take all the magic and the dragons away. But stay with the best stuff in Game of Thrones. That's

the last kingdom. That's kingdom was so good. That shows pure bayham. It's about left to two.

My man, dark and last kingdom, dark and the last kingdom. Yeah.

Planned too much song. Too much basketball and too much golf. I got to get into dark and last

kingdom. The next one, I think we may save for next time. You know what? Paul asks, this will be

the tease for Wednesday's show. Paul asks, please discuss Dremond discussing Nico Harrison.

We do that on the next show. Okay, fine. Let's do that on the next show. I also want to talk about

the next show acceptance versus tolerance. Like it's the difference. Well, you're going to get

into it on that show, I guess. Yes, getting to it on the next show. Let's talk about the next show.

And then I think I want to pull a chapter out of the book for the code open. Or you don't want to

pull a chapter out of my book for the code open from lucky me. I can definitely. I don't know

if we have time to read a whole chapter, but we could. No, no, no, I'm sure, but we could take

yeah, the reason why I gave each chapter its own title is so it can have something to hang on

to. So we can just take one like on your clothes, for example, yeah, is oh, oh, you're saying

rules. I don't know. Take a rule. No, take a rule right from the chapter of each book and use

as a code open every now and then on the radio, I used to I used to read two things. The man in the

arena, my buddy, John, John Avalon is writing a book on now. As a matter of fact, I had to give it

Adam for John. Yes, right. But John wrote about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln. He's writing

about the man in the arena, which is a speech that Teddy Roosevelt gave at the Sarbonne France.

That LeBron James writes on his sneakers, right? Always love that. I used to also read if from

Roger Kipling, the poem, if on the air from time to time. Oh, I do that a little cold open one of

the things. I think this is, oh, another thing too. I want to ask the viewers, should we do our first

live show at the final four? That's a good idea. Friday before the final four. Do Friday show.

Interesting. For the final four. That's interesting, right? Yeah, let's get. Okay, so

game over with Max Kalerman and Rich Paul. Yeah, game over at Spotify.com email. You want

to email us? Let's take their temperature. Should we do the show live for the final four?

We haven't had a live show and we haven't had a guest. Although I think we've gotten a lot better

with our show. I think our show's been really good. Coming along. It's coming along.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, and you know, man, like it's tough to talk about some of these things because

I have such a profound respect for a lot of people. Um, and so it's tough to talk about some of these

things, um, but you have to do it as, you know, it's part of the show. Talk about Byron Scott now.

I was just talking about elders in general. Oh, you know, that made me think about it, but yeah,

but just elders in general. It's like, you just hate to see some of the stuff that transpires

sometimes, but it's the world we live in, you know, it is indeed. Rich Paul, we're going to do this

again on Wednesday and we'll get into the Dremont Green discussing Nico Harrison. Yeah, I don't

I didn't see that. What did he say? But I'll call him and ask him. How about that? This isn't going

to call Dremont and ask him. What did he say? And why he said what he said? So I'll be talking

old-rate going apology. I disagree with that. Like Tom Hagen.

He wanted what? Wait, who did Tom Hagen want to do the Hollywood producer?

Senator. Senator. You're my father. He was a cropper commission. The house on American activities.

Yeah. All right. All right. Let's talk about it. I will see you Wednesday. Yeah. Let's do it.

Back in LA. Thanks, guys. Game over with Max Kalerman and Rich Paul.

Rich would say, please. Game over at Spotify.com. Please continue to subscribe.

And please continue to give us critique to help us get make a better show for you guys to watch.

Rich wants critique. I'm already perfect. I don't need any critique.

On that note, goodbye. There's no respect. Well, see you later. Oh, is that the

opposite of what we've been talking about? All right, Joe. See you all Wednesday.