Paul Domowitch On the 2026 Eagles And His New Book!

0:00reviews are Welcome to the ringer's Philly special. Sheel Kapati here. We're giving you a little special Labor Day weekend bonus episode. We've got ZB with us Zach Burman from the athletic and then first time Philly special guest veteran NFL writer wrote about football in the city for a long, long time. He now has a new book out. Just give me a chance to fail the life I'm looking at the book right here. The life of NFL Hall of Fame linebacker Sam Mills. His name is Paul Domo, which Domo.

1:02Welcome to the ringer's Philly special. Thanks for having me guys. ZB you don't know this, but Domo and I were ahead of the video curve. Domo, I don't even know if you remember this. We were doing videos on draft prospects. I remember it with the Alden Smith draft in a studio in the inquire building. Domo, that must have been like 2009 or 10. So we saw this video boom coming. Now I don't know if he capitalized on it, but we saw it coming. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you meant breaking down video. I thought you meant break down video because because Domo always, he would keep the tendencies by hand. I was always so impressed by that, but doing the videos as well. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to remember the first time. I think sheal, you were still in Baltimore and the first time I ever talked to you. I think you called when they were interviewing John Harbaugh and wanted some information. I was, you know, I obviously knew about John from when he, from the, his years as a special

2:05team's coach with Eagles and I was the first time we ever chatted. That's crazy. You know, that's one of the great what ifs actually that people don't remember is that the Ravens wanted to hire Jason Garrett at that time. Like Jason Garrett was the up and coming. This guy is the offensive mind. The next bill walls and the Ravens tried to get him. Jerry wrote them a check and said, just hang around here. Be our offensive coordinator. You'll be our head coach and waiting. And so the Ravens had to then settle for John Harbaugh, who of course becomes a much better coach than Jason Garrett. But yeah, we did those videos and you're right, CBI. I was actually going to ask Domo about this before we start talking about the book. Domo was writing about exes and owes his own analytics. You know, Vic Fangeau now says he has his own analytics. Domo had his own analytics back in the day. Domo, what was your process? Because your notes column, I would devour it in college and then you know, I was in Baltimore and then getting to work with you. You had stuff like this is how you know, a quarterback against the blitz, personnel groupings,

3:08all this stuff that now we click on one site and we get all of it. But you had that when you couldn't get that in for at least I didn't know how to get that information. How were you doing all that? How did that resonate with the audience at that time? Well, at least you guys aren't making me feel old. You know, you just use a lot of different sources. Talked to you know, I just I realized early on, you know, how important things like tendencies were and things like that. So, you know, just started collecting it. Amazing. It was you and I remember Mike Reese and Boston. I'm like, how are these guys get where they getting all this information? I would love access to this and I'm like, oh, I think they're tracking a lot of this stuff by themselves. I guess I better go do that. I told that story before I started then on just Mondays. I would just sit in front of the TV, rewatch the TV copy, look at stuff like snap counts. All right. How often was this quick? You know, every play checking who are the 11 guys on the field and that's how you would have to do it. All you, you know, young journals out there, you just click on one button and it gives

4:11you in the snap counts, get email to you. It wasn't always that way. You know, early 2010s, I was even when Chip Kelly was still the coach, I was keeping track and personal groupings for the Eagles. I mean, I had like six years worth before I lost them on my computer. So, I mean, you know, it tells you a lot of things like that. I mean, you you find out what coaches are thinking, what they want to use, what they're preferences are. So totally. I mean, just little stuff like wait, how this this fourth wide receiver, like how many snaps did he actually play? You know, everybody's excited about him. Wait, the coaches are only playing him six snaps. They might know something that I don't. So there was little nuggets in there that if you're doing the charting, you could figure it out. But ZB, I was looking at Domose Farewell post when he left the newspaper industry. He said at that time in 2021, he was going to focus on book writing and searching for the true meaning of life. So we know the book writings going great because he just wrote this long in-depth, terrific

5:14book that we're going to talk about on Sam Mills searching for the true meaning of life, Domose. How is that going? You know, it's in the early stages still. I'm hoping to live a long life. So I've slept a few years left to kind of find it. So I'll let I'll give you I'll send you updates as we go on. Okay. We'll check back in with you on that. But it's all serious. How do you spend an NFL Sunday? I mean, for what was it? 39 years. Now, I know you I don't know if you were doing don't think you were doing football that whole time, but 39 years. And then however many years of that that you're covering the NFL, that was a work day. That was your biggest day from September to the Super Bowl. How do you spend Sundays now? Are you camped out in front of the TV? Are you like, ah, you know what? These early games are kind of crappy. I can go do something and come back later or what is your process for an NFL Sunday as we approach week one here? Well, for about three years, she'll after I left the doose paper business, I was I was a contributor for the 33rd team.

6:15And they had me doing stuff that so I still needed to pay attention to the games on Sunday including the Eagles. Now yeah, I mean, I make sure I'm watching the Eagles because I still write for sub stack mostly Eagles stuff. Occasionally, but yeah, I mean, I'm, you know, bad game. I'm not going to sit there and watch it. I'll maybe watch a British detective series or something. Zach, what are you? I'm kidding. Now Zach, Zach says he will never retire. I think it's his official stance and I believe we know Zach well enough to know that that might actually be the case. But let's say ZB that, you know, you reach a point, maybe you're living a very long life and this, you're like in your 80s at this point. And you're like, all right, I'm finally going to call it quits. Will there ever be a time in your life, do you think, when, you know, maybe a Thursday night game between the Colts and the Titans, you're just like, you know what? My wife wants to do something else. I don't need to watch this. I can't even imagine that for you actually. Well, so before you said the second part, like your wife wants you to do something else,

7:20my response was going to be what college game is on that night and is this NBA season like is there an NBA game? I'm watching because I can't think of an alternative. Why I wouldn't be watching the Thursday night game. It's hard for me to project that far, but I certainly hope not is the answer. I, I, I hope that every week, every Thursday, Sunday, Monday, now it's Wednesdays as well. If we think about a week from tonight, I get the same joy about NFL being on as I do right now. No. He's one of a kind, Tom. You, you, I mean, do you have any early year? I'm putting on this spot, but like young Zach Burman stories where you're just like, man, this guy's built a little bit, a little bit different than the rest of us here. His exuberance impressed me right from the start. I tried to think back to when I was that age, you know, I, I can't remember being that way. And I, but I had great admiration for it. I mean, nothing was too, um, um, minuscule form.

8:23I mean, he just, he just digs his teeth in and, and, and, you know, doesn't stop until he, until he gets the answer or gets finished. So I have, you know, I have nothing but admiration for Zach. And I believe that when he's 85, he's still going to be cranking it out. I appreciate that. Yeah. I would say, yeah, the, the, the beat writing crew or the sports writing crew exuberance is not generally the descriptor for most of the people in there. So yeah, I think that's why ZB really stands out when you're in the media room and he walks in and it's how's everyone doing? Let's have a great day today. Everyone's like, all right. Okay. Zach. So yeah, that definitely stands out. All right. My last question here before we get into the book, Dama, every time I go to training camp still and I'm sitting there and I'm sweating. I know where that was going. I should have brought, and I always think ZB, I picked your Dama. And I picture the towel over his shoulder and every year I say, I should be bringing

9:28the towel as, you know, just kind of as a tribute to Dama, but also because I'm sweating everywhere. Like I should just have this in my hands so that I can dry off a little bit. Dama, when did the towel start? Did you get that from someone else? Was that just one hot training camp at Lehigh? Was it someone else? Give us the lure as the kids would say on the Dama training camp towel. Well, at birth, I think, probably, she, oh God did not bless me with clean sweat glands. I was always a big time sweater up. I could remember being in church on hot Sundays with no air conditioning and looking down at my sport coat and under my own armors would be these, you know, these wet pools. So yeah, I know. So when I started covering training camps, especially, you know, I'd go down south to hit other camps and stuff and where it's even hotter than it isn't Philly. And there was no way I was going to stand out there without needing the towel to, you know, keep the water out of my eyes and stuff.

10:30So yeah, I started using one and it became standard operating procedure once, you know, when I was at Eagle Camp. So I love it. See, Bay, you ever thought about it? You know, you actually don't seem like a big sweater now that I think about it. It's a relative term. I mean, there have been, there were certainly days this summer when I could have used the towel. And Jeff McLean's brought on the towel tradition now. He always has that. Oh, he does. He's a shoulder. Yeah. Yeah. In honor of Domo. So no, I have not considered bringing it. I need to, to wear the hat more. Like the sun was pretty oppressive. I always thought the hat would be unprofessional at camps, but the reality is now you got to be worried about the sun. So I'm going to go hat. And then when I do the videos, just got to deal with the hat here. I mean, I'm unprofessional. I've switched to just go in t-shirt, you know, I used to think, all right, I got to put on a polo. Yeah. I'm like, all right, it's okay.

11:31I can just, I'm wearing a t-shirt, I'm wearing a hat, I'm wearing sneakers. It's 90 degrees out here. No one's actually going to care. So, you know, let's see, Zay, Bay, maybe next year you'll lean into that a little bit. I saw somebody posted something on X a few weeks ago. A picture of a, she'll on the sideline there and they look jacked up in the t-shirt. And I'm, wow, this guy's, this guy spent a lot of time in the gym. You know, I did see Dom's tweet and the gym he mentioned is actually my gym. I mean, best value out there if I'm just being honest, best investment I make. 10 bucks a month, you can't beat it, right? I know, no free ads on the ringers' field, especially, but you probably know the place we're talking about. And as we talked about, are you sure that wasn't a sake one? Because people have been confusing, she'll and Zayquan, right? But that's the summer. No, I'm sick of this. She'll did not jump on regal posts. No, no, I don't have the option. I definitely, I definitely can't do that. All right, let's talk about the book here, Dom. Sam Mills, for those who don't know, the Sam Mills story, five foot nine linebacker went

12:33from the USFL to the NFL, didn't get his start in the NFL until I believe he was 27 years old, played 12 seasons, five time pro-bola. All of Famer tragically diagnosed with intestinal cancer and past in 2005. Domo, just give us sort of the, I know you've probably talked about this a lot, just give the pitch to the audience why this story interested you. I remember you in your newspaper writing days, you would write about Sam Mills. I remember you writing about him then. So when I saw the book, I said, I've seen Domo write about Sam Mills before. What drew you to this story specifically? Well, I mean, I've mentioned this before that, I mean, I always enjoyed writing stories that inspire people, that move people. I mean, those are the, we're always my favorite sports stories to write, to read. And Sam's life story is about as inspiring as it gets. I mean, he was the ultimate underdog, you know, beat the odds, everybody, including Jim

13:37Morah, who would go on to call him the greatest player he ever coached and Jim coached Peyton Manning, wanted to cut him initially because he was five-nine. And nobody thought a five-nine linebacker could play in the NFL or even play major college football. So, you know, I mean, he overcame that. He gets cut by Cleveland and gets cut by the Canadian football league for God's sakes. The USFL where I met him gave him a lifeline and, you know, the rest was history. I mean, he goes to the NFL and becomes an all-pro player. And then he, you know, has a tragic, you know, tragic cancer battle that kills him at 45. And it takes him, you know, this is a guy whose own coach, Vince Tobin, who was his defensive coordinator in Philadelphia, said he was better than Mike Singletary. And because Vince coached both of them. And, you know, Mike Singletary was a first-ball at Hall of Famer. You know, Sam, as you would expect for a guy who nobody ever took seriously for so long,

14:46it took 20 years for him to get in, you know, posthumously. I mean, he was dead by then. He died in 2005 and he didn't get into the Hall of Famer until 2022. And I was, you know, as a selector, I was able to lobby for him. And, you know, I think that played a lot into why I wanted to write a book about him because he was on my mind a lot. But his story was just, it's like I said, my author's note in the book. I mean, if you knew his story, the question isn't why I picked him to write a book about, but why it took me so long. And the reason it took me so long is because I'm not snack-burned. I mean, I don't have to, I can't multitask like this guy, you know? The play, it's, it's, we're talking on the Philly special. Everyone listening to this is an Eagles fan or a Jason DeFillian in some way. And I think what is important for those who might be on the younger side who did not watch Sam Bill's play. And as you can read in the book, is this is also a Philadelphia story. You, you mentioned the USFL, like that's where the career launched. The forward of the book is written by Vic Fangeo.

15:47There's, there's, there's a very strong connection, of course, to Vic Fangeo. Can you kind of share the Philadelphia aspect of this? Why, why someone who's listening to this from Philly would be so curious about Sam Mills? Yeah, and another Philadelphia angle, Zach, is he would have been an Eagle. I mean, Jim Moore had the, you know, and I'm going to this in the book. After the USFL folded, he was offered the Eagles job after, after, after, you know, after Mary Campbell was fired before Buddy Ryan was hired. Norman Braeman wanted him. And Jim Moore had been offered a couple of different jobs at that point. Wanted to stay in Philadelphia if he'd had. Sam would have stayed with him. As it turned out, he just got scared of Norman Braeman's penny pitching when they were negotiating a contract. And he took the New Orleans job and Sam went down there with him. Yeah, he, you know, 83, he's cut by, in 81, he's cut by the Browns,

16:49despite a great training camp. Then he's cut by Toronto. He thinks his career might be over. I mean, he's still hoping, but he goes back. He starts teaching up in North Jersey, starts doing a little coaching. And the USFL comes about about, right about that time. He goes to the tryout they have from the contract, but he's still not sure whether he wants to take it. Because he doesn't know anything about this league. I mean, it could last three days. It could last three weeks. So he goes back home, waits a while. Jim Garrett, you guys were talking earlier about Jason Garrett. His dad was, you know, he's the guy that signed him with Cleveland, signed Sam. He was at this point. He was a scout and coach with, I don't know if he was with the Cowboys yet. But he had kind of established a bond with Sam. And he told Sam, hey, you need to go and give this a shot with the Philadelphia stars.

17:49Because if you don't, you'll always regret it. You'll always wonder whether you should have taken it. And so Sam went signed the contract for pennies and came to Philadelphia and became with the possible exception of Reggie White, the best defensive player in the three years. The USFL is an existence. So, you know, I mean, the stars were, you know, they got him to the Hall of Fame. I mean, he without, without the USFL, without the Philadelphia stars, there's no Sam Mills story. It, other than the fact that he probably would have been a damn good high school coach and high school coach. Incredible. All right. Let's take a break. We come back. I do want to ask Domo a couple more questions about Sam Mills and the book he wrote. And then we'll get into some Eagles talk to finish off the episodes. We'll see where Domo is with Saryani, with Hurt, with the Eagles prospects here in 2026 when we come back.

18:49All right. We're back here on the Ringer's Philly special. Domo, you have an event coming up this week and let the people know where they can find you. This sounds really, really cool. Something that our audience might be interested in. Yeah. I'm excited about this one. She'll, you know, Zach mentioned earlier, Vic Vanjo, who wrote the forward for the book. Vic's going to join me up at the Great American pub in Kanchahakkan on Saturday night, 6 to 8 o'clock. Vic and I are going to talk. We're going to talk about Sam, you know, a little bit Eagles. And then the two of us are going to sign books for two hours. So I'm excited about it. I think we're going to get a decent crowd, not because of the, we're in the book as much as the fact that Vic's pretty popular in his town as you guys will. I expect a few people to even struggle down from Dunmore and Scranton to see him. So it's, you know, it should be a nice event. I'm doing one next week up in Long Branch, which is Sam's home in Jack's goal line, standing in the bar in Long Branch.

19:50So we're going to have, we have some of his old high school teammates. They're going to be there, some of his coaches, some of his families coming up for that. So it's going to be, you know, one of the exciting things about some of these book signings is where I'm doing them and who I'm doing them with. I mean, after that in October, I'm doing one of my alma mater up in Wilkes, doing one at Montclair State. So it's been a lot of fun. It's, you know, for an old guy, it's been fun. Amazing. Check all those out, but specifically this weekend, if you're in town Saturday night, great American pub. I remember my friend, Joe Monty, who I used to call the mayor of country, because he had more country pride and more country. He would just call it the pub, you know, the pub, everyone, you know, great place. That's the pub. Yeah. So six to eight on Saturday. ZB anytime there's anyone associated with the Eagles doing a public appearance, you're usually stalking them just to see. Now, I don't know. This might be, you know, you just let Domo do his thing with Vic.

20:51Are you going to plant someone in the audience to take a cell phone camera if you can't be there? What's your plan for this? Because I know the paranoia runs deep. Yeah, it's just a tough one. This is one that I really wanted to be at. For Domo number one. And then obviously, Vic Fangio, right, in terms of covering the Eagles, it's the last Saturday before the season. And so you mentioned that Thursday night games, if I told my wife that I'm not free on the last Saturday before the season, then I'll probably be doing so a pause in a different regard next week. Right. So I unfortunately will not be there. But I'm going to miss it. Although I do think that Vic kind of has, not a lot of tolerance for me sometimes. So it's probably better. Vic sees me there. He rolls eyes and say not today. Yeah. So family first. Domo. We first. What was the process? Domo for getting Vic to write the forward here?

21:53What was that experience like? Well, I talked to him early on, obviously because of his association with Sam when I started doing interviews for the book. I mean, he spent 14 years with the guy, 13 coach and another honest staff with him in Carolina. So he was the obvious choice. And I kind of knew he would say yes right away and he did. And then it was just a matter of asking him how he wanted to write the forward. I mean, did he actually truly want to write it? Or did he want me to take all of our interviews? And kind of put one together and then have him look at it and see if that's what, you know, if it sounded like him. And that's basically what we did. But he looked at it and said this is great. He made a couple changes. He just, and Zach knows this. I mean, his relationship with Sam was just like no other. I mean, because they were together, because Sam was who he was, I mean, they were, you know, when he was diagnosed with cancer,

22:57you know, Vicks already coached in Houston with the Texans at that time. And he was one of his first calls to tell, when he was telling people that he had cancer. And he calls Vick who had no clue and was just just taking a back. I mean, he made visits up to visit with him when he was having his chemo treatments. So, I mean, they just had a very special relationship. And, you know, so I knew he would do it. He's been great. You know, this, this, I've been, I've been like, my heart's been beaten here on this book signing, because I know a coach's life right now. This is the last thing he wants to do, even if it's about Sam. But I knew he'd make room for it. You know, we just had to find the right time. And because it was released on the 28th of July, which was right about when training camp was going on. So I knew I couldn't get him up, even camp. So the break between the end of the preseason and the start of the regular season next week

23:59seemed to be about the only time to get him up to the to Great American Pug for a book signing. So I'm really excited about it. And I know he has to. And then something Vick wrote in the forward was that every year since the agents for small linebackers or shorter linebackers, I should say, call him up and, you know, try to get a spot. And that's what I'm curious about as you think about the Sam Mills story. There was a story last week on Willie Lampkin, who's the shortest offensive line in the NFL. And I saw in the comments section, fans saying maybe he could be like Sam Mills, right? And the reason I ask this is, was Sam Mills such an outlier? Like, is there anything that can be taken from Sam's story to be applied to present day NFL? Or is it one of those things like a Darren Sproles where you just don't see guys like this made very often who can hold up in the NFL? Yeah, you know, I think he was more of an out, certainly more of an outlier outlier back then,

25:01Zach, because back when he was in Atmone Claire and went undrafted, you know, inside linebackers were 250 pounds. And, you know, there were no guys his size. I mean, none. I mean, just, you know, because an inside linebacker's job back then, they're, you know, teams didn't throw the ball like they do today. So you had to stop the run, you know, you usually wanted a big guy to do that, which is why nobody took him seriously. And then when the passing game started to become a little bit more prevalent, people questioned whether he was tall enough, you know, they were throw over him. So things like that. But I think, you know, one of the things I asked Vic early on when we were doing interviews was could he play today? Could he thrive in today's game? And he felt absolutely because today's game is about playing in space and being able to run. And even back then, he could run. I mean, he could go sideline to sideline. You know, next, so I mean, he was versatile enough to play then and versatile enough to play now.

26:05And, you know, on top of that, I thought what made him so special was his intelligence. I mean, I talked in the book about how he became a film guy in high school. He taught by his coach back then. And I mean, he was one of the guys that he knew what he was looking at. And he used that throughout his career to understand tendencies, to understand formations, to know where the balls going before it goes. I mean, the guys on defenses that he played on, they would rely on him to tell them before pre snap, you know, where, where's what's going to happen? And it's why so many of the defense besides the fact that he had he played with some good players. It's why so many of those defenses were so good. I love it. If you love great sports, writing check it out. Just give me a chance to fail the life of NFL Hall of Fame linebacker, Sam Mills. And he, Dom was point there because I was thinking about that to get Vic Fangio to be in public for two hours a week before the opener.

27:07And by the way, I just checked the Phillies are playing at six o'clock against the braze. And I mean, he's a Phillies fan, right? Yeah. So at least I have TVs there. Yeah. You picked a good location, Dom. If that were at, you know, some theater or auditorium or something, I think he might have canceled on you, not because of the Eagles, but because the Phillies have a monster series against the braves, but they've got TVs there. So if you're in attendance and you're going to go up and get the book sign by Dom and Vic, just keep an eye if the if the the Phillies win, the Phillies lose and then kind of choose your words carefully when you when you approach Vic Fangio to get the book sign. So you go there, check that out. Sounds like it's going to be a great event. All right, Tom. Well, before we let you go, we got you on. We got to talk some Eagles here. Absolutely. Let's just let's just talk about the main characters because Zach and I have had many conversations about Nick Sireani over the years. I think there's a segment of the audience that feels like I maybe don't give him enough credit that I'm too hard on him. There's another segment of the audience that

28:11feels like Zach gives him too much credit and is too easy on him. Where do you come down on kind of the job Nick Sireani has done and his future with the Eagles, whether he gets too much credit, not enough credit or just the right amount of credit for this incredible five-year run. I have learned my admiration for Nick has grown. Initially, when they took away his offensive responsibilities, I wondered what's he going to do? I mean, there's a lot of coaches in this league for years that are basically I mean, they're CEOs. I just wasn't sure that was something he could grow into, especially with his emotions sometimes getting the best of him. He's grown into that role. I like what he's become as a coach. I don't think he gets too much credit. I think he gets just enough. I think the players relate to him. I have come to believe he's one of the better coaches in

29:20this league. Okay, look at C. B. That's one for you. I mean, you got Tom O'Hall of Fame Voter. He's watched a lot of different coaches in the NFL. All right. Okay, listen, I'm open-minded. My stance, I was actually thinking about this because ZB did, you did a pod when I was on vacation and I feel like our takes differ because I'm open to the idea that Nick Sireani is a very good coach. I just just have to put him in a situation. I just think if you put him in a situation where all this stuff wasn't there for him, I don't know that he would be a great coach, but I'm open to the idea. I feel like ZB, you're not even open to the idea that he might not be a good coach because you just say, go look at the pro football reference page. She'll you're being a hater. Well, I'm saying you have the judge him based on the results and it's not like a Liam Cohen situation where it's results over one year. It's results over a five-year period that are hard to ignore. So that's that's that's what I keep pointing to. Yeah, it's it's hard to be a head coach and go to two super bowls in

30:23five years, win one. And you know, I mean, it's not by accident. You know, I mean, you can you can that's fair. Yeah, you can question how much of it directly, you know, he had to do with as far as X's and O's because of the way his role has changed, but he's still the head coach and he's, you know, if I'm going to give that CEO of a successful well company credit for their profit margin or their success in developing something, I feel the same way about the neck right now. Now you're talking CB's language profit margin. He likes doing a little stock stock market corner here. All right, say pretty much the same question I have for you, Domino, except about the quarterback. Jalen hurts. I mean, you know, a lot of the same conversations, uh, surround Jalen hurts. Now, I would say among the fan base, I think his approval rating is higher than Nick Sireon. It's I could be wrong about that, but especially this off season when AJ Brown says, I don't want to be there anymore. I'm leaving an Eagles fan. See where Jalen hurts is in quarterback rankings. I've

31:24made the argument this off season has been great for Jalen hurts is rep and Philadelphia because all the fan the fan base is just like, this is our guy. We are behind him. The rest of you don't know what you're talking about, but what do you think about Jalen? Is he, uh, right amount of credit, too much credit, not enough credit for all the, uh, all the winning that has happened in Philadelphia over the years? Right amount. I mean, I've been, I've been, you know, I've liked Jalen's to say drafted him. I mean, 2020, you guys remember there weren't a lot of people that were saying this is a good move taking him in the same. Oh, no, I ripped him. Yeah, I'll raise my hand before someone sensibly moved. I mean, at the time they were only, you know, they were thinking back up, I've turned out, you know, that the starter couldn't handle him being the backup because he kept looking over shoulder, but, uh, you know, I like Jalen. I mean, is he, is he a guy that could single handedly take a team and lead them to the, to the Super Bowl? I don't know. He's, he's never had to. He's got good players around him. He knows how to use them. You know, I think, I mean,

32:26the last couple of years, he's focused on not throwing interceptions and, you know, the adjustment this year is going to be that suddenly he can't throw everything outside the numbers like he was doing the last two years. Uh, he's, this offense is going to require him to throw the ball over the middle, which means his interception total is probably going to go up a little bit and that's going to, you know, stir some booze from the crowd when, when there's a, uh, a nugly throw. But I mean, I think he's going to be, I think he's going to grow in this offense. I think he'll be fine. I mean, he's played for so many damn, uh, different coordinators and play callers. I mean, he's managed to make the adjustment every time going back to college. Uh, I think early on, the defense is going to carry this, this team while he kind of gets his comfort level to a certain point along with the rest of the offense. But I, you know, I, I felt going into training camp guys, the key was going to be the offensive line. I mean, they had to be healthy. They had to be better than

33:26last year. Uh, I wasn't sure about the depth. Now, you know, now you see players like Willie Lampkin emerging and you realize, okay, they might be okay there. And if they're okay there, that means they can rely heavily on the, on the running game early on. Uh, and while he grows into the role as a passer and with this offense. So, you know, I think he'll be okay. I think this offense will be okay. I just hope, I don't hope, but I mean, early on, we're going to, we're going to hear booze because that's just what they, we doing, Philly, right? Uh, yeah, there'll be some growing pains for sure. Yeah. There are going to be some growing pains in it, but I think he's going to grow through them. And I think he'll have a good year. Yeah. I think we're all aligned about the offensive line. It really feels like that's the determining factor. Yeah. And whether this is a good team or whether this is actually, um, a super bowl team. And I think you're right that you got to feel better about them now than maybe you did a month ago, two months ago with just kind of what we think we learned during the summer there. So we'll see how that goes. All right. Before we let

34:28Dama go, ZB, I don't know if you saw, he had a tweet in recent months. I didn't go back and look at it, but I remember seeing it at the time that related to a topic we've had in our mail back. Dama, we do a mail bag every week. And people ask about all sorts of questions. And one of the ones that we got maybe the most response to was someone emailing us about people backing into parking spots and saying, this is an epidemic. There's, there's, they're holding up the entire lot. Why do they got to do that? They don't get in on the first try. Now they're holding up traffic. And then we got this whole other side. I mean, this is like politics. This was like the two sides were just going at it. And people are sending me transportation reports, safety reports, saying that's actually the safer way to do it. Do you know how many people get hit by a car with people backing out of their spots in America every year? If you back in first and then you pull out forward after it's actually safer, I don't know how much of that feedback you got after you

35:30posted that you don't like the backing into parking spots. But where are you on this very hot button hot, hot button topic? You know, when I tweeted that, but you know, I was just I'm thinking, okay, you know, maybe one guy I'll notice. You're right. I mean, I could not believe this was a hot button issue. I mean, I got more from that than probably anything in recent history. Just, and people were emotional about it. I mean, the people that believe that it should, you know, that that's perfectly alright or just like, like you said, they're sending you reports from the transportation department and explaining why it's safer and it didn't convince me. I mean, I, I, I, especially, you know, I mean, I hate, you know, the basic thing that irritates me is when you, you're in a convenience store and the guy just stops dead and you got to wait there for 20 seconds while he backs in and that's if he's good at it or she's good at it. If they're not, then we're talking 20 seconds becomes 40 seconds. So there's no reason for it, especially today's

36:32cars have the sensor where it tells you if somebody's coming. So even if you can't see, you know, thing goes off and you stop. I just, I have, I have no patience for it. Nobody changed my mind, but I could not believe how, how strongly some people felt about it. Alright, Tomo, here's what I want between now and the next time we have you on, because I think we should have you back on during the season, talk a little more Eagles here. I want you to try it once, you know, don't, don't be the guy, you don't have to do it when someone's behind you, when you're pulling into wherever getting groceries, whatever. And you know, there's no one behind you. Just try it out. Get a feel for it. See, see if you like it because I also was close-minded. And now I do it on occasion. Now, I think you hit the key point there. If there's someone behind you, if it's a high traffic area, no, you can't be holding up the line. But if it's a little quieter, and you feel like, you know what, I got a second to do this. Try it out. Sometimes it is kind of fun, especially like you said, the new cars now, they got the camera. It's like, this is pretty easy

37:34backing into this spot. They're showing me the lines and everything. So, you know, that is a little tease for the next time. Yeah, I'll be sure to do that. She'll not. If you can post the video, you know, you can, so you can just send us the video. Yeah, I have my, I have my wife, you know, video on, on, on back and in. You're cursing just being like, I can't believe I'm being forced to do this. All right. All right. This was a lot of fun. Paul Dom and I enjoyed it. Check it out again. Just give me a chance to fail the life of NFL, all the famed linebacker, same mills, Dom, all you, all those appearances. You'll be working people. You, you, you tweet out the details. Where, where's the easiest way for people to follow those? I do. I'm on every social media at P. Dom, on, on X Facebook for all us old people. And I, I was actually joined Instagram like a month ago. So I'm still feeling my way there. But, so you can find me there at P. Dom, which so. There you go. Give him. We call it the Philly

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