Peeping Tom (1960)

They're going to expand our weekly video statement to take you into the back

shelves of the local video store.

That's where it says poorer videos and we're kind of devouring some

awful films that we call the video nasties.

A free-basing, inquiring minds want to know.

I have to break free from this culture of mechanical reproductions and

the thick, incrustations dying on the surface.

I'm left in a flesh and pain I can assure you will be exquisite as for our deaths.

Come with me and be a mortal.

I've such fights to show you.

We've got to return some video.

Hello, horror hounds and welcome to the It's Lise podcast.

I'm your humble host Rowan.

I'm your two-quit handjob, Mike.

I'm creeping Colton and it's Joe and we are back for another one.

We've reunited like, I don't know, Power Rangers creating Megatron or something.

They were all still a little bummed out.

St. Patrick's Day is over.

I know Colton was messaging me feverishly.

Like, you sure you sure we can't do another leprechaun movie?

Like, let's just do another leprechaun movie, man.

Well, I just wanted to get out of the way so he could be free for the rest of

our day.

I'm never going to cover any of our leprechaun movies.

Yeah.

All I can hope is that, you know, right when we're about to finish it, we just all get

alerts on our phone, like a 24 leprechaun movie announced.

There we go.

There we go.

Actually, the leprechaun dealing with general status back.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

Are you asked her?

Because what else is she doing?

Well, yeah, I was going to say Jennifer Ameson's getting to that point in her career where

she's going to have to make her like try and return to horror after she talked all

that shit because she got nothing else to do.

So how many more friends reunions can you possibly do?

True.

Yeah.

I call him as if I've ever watched friends.

I don't know.

I have no interest in friends.

I've never watched friends either.

I was always a how I met your mother guy, which I think is just like the natural trajectory

if you're just a little bit younger.

Yeah.

I'm watching that instead.

I just feel like everybody on friends, like there's probably lots of episodes that they

drink sprites and talk about how they're spicy.

So that's just not my style, I guess.

They're calling it white, India, or okay.

Yeah.

So where I offended you, Jill.

I'm sorry.

But why is it spicy?

But you know what we're going to start with?

What have you been consuming?

What have you been watching?

What have you been reading?

What have you been listening to?

All that good stuff.

I can't remember who I started off with last time.

So I'm going to just pick Jill because I forget I don't really care.

Maybe it was you last time.

Maybe it wasn't.

No, while you can go again.

Okay.

Excellent.

Well, I did a bit of reading.

So cold has got his pen and pad out.

He's ready.

He's more ready to serve you this time.

Okay.

It's not.

It's not smut.

Well, maybe one entry is a little bit smut, but I don't know if I believe that you don't

read smut or like smut tangentially related media.

Yeah.

Listen, I've been trying to read more horror.

So that's what I've been doing.

And I've been on the subreddit for, I think it's an extreme horror lit and also the splatter

punk subreddit.

So I've been trying to read more of that.

And so the big one, of course, you want to read like the novelization of like a terrifying

three.

Yeah.

The strong point of those meat of that media is the literature.

I do have some of those, but I haven't read them yet, but we'll see.

Thanks for judging.

It's okay.

It's okay.

I'd never even really let her open her mouth yet.

It doesn't hurt.

I'm used to it.

Well, the big one that I was looking forward to reading is called Full Brutal by Christopher

Triana.

A lot of these are just like you're following psychopaths and a lot of these are some sort

of version of American psycho.

So this one follows a teenage girl who's a cheerleader and she's a psychopath and she wants

to lose her virginity.

So she starts becoming more promiscuous, but it's an messed up kind of way.

She tries to like seduce her teacher and then things just kind of spiral as they do.

And there's necrophilia, there's cannibalism, all that fun stuff.

It was really good.

I give it five stars.

So if you're into that full brutal, I was just imagining that this isn't the smart one

that she was talking about.

This is the normal one.

It is normal, I guess.

Yeah.

I mean, I wouldn't say this one is smart, but there are some.

Some spicy scenes, but messed up stuff just happens and it just overtakes everything.

Are your goodreads reviews, are they kind of like weighted towards a lot of five star

similar to how you give a lot of slaves on the podcast or are you very selective of what

you give a five star to?

I would say it's probably the same like, there's a lot of five, there's a lot of four.

I feel like I do a lot of five and four.

And then there's like stuff I really hate and I'll give it like one star.

So it really depends.

I try not to like, for books, especially go for things that I wouldn't like.

So I kind of know what I would like and stay in my lane, if that makes sense.

So with movies, it's much more different because I just kind of watch a lot of.

It's less of a commitment, right?

Like 90 minutes, as opposed to a week.

Yeah.

And I'm the type of person who I have to finish a book.

It doesn't matter how crappy it is, like I have to do it.

So it sucks if I find something I don't like.

But the another one I read is called The Eyes Are the Best Part by Monica Kim.

Also another version basically of American Psycho, but it's following a young Korean

American college student.

And she's her parents are going through a divorce and her mom starts dating this like racist

piece of shit white guy and she just like fantasizes about killing him.

And again, things just go where they go killing happens and yeah, that one was pretty good

too.

I gave that one four stars.

It wasn't as good as full brutal, but the book that I ended up with at the end was much

different from the book that I started reading at the beginning.

It was like very normal.

So it is a like unassuming wild ride.

And I see that one a lot on bookshelves like at the store and like that one is on I think

prime reading.

So if you have an Amazon subscription, you could read that one for free.

I didn't know prime reading existed.

I feel like that's a state thing or something.

I don't think that's going to appear.

Actually?

Yeah.

I've never heard of it.

Yeah.

I need you guys to look into this.

Kindle unlimited where it's like a subscription that you pay for.

I know that.

I've heard of that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But prime reading is less titles, but they're cold and definitely has a Kindle unlimited

subscription for all is reading.

Oh, 100%.

I certainly don't Google whatever I be interested in reading ePub.

You know, I certainly don't do that.

He'll get there when he gets back into books, which it's going to happen and we'll stay

tuned for that.

Yeah.

I was thinking about starting with like morning, glories, minotaur milking or something like

that.

Just some light reading.

I'm a little salty because I let someone borrow that book and then they moved away and

I'm never going to see it again.

So.

Yeah.

That's just what happens every now and then with great literature, you know?

I'm never letting people borrow my books ever again because I like never get them back

and then I want to reread them and I have to go buy another copy.

It's horrible.

Yeah.

It's supporting, you know, small authors of this day and age.

Another one I read.

I think this is on Kindle unlimited.

It's a short story.

It's only like 20 minutes.

It took me to read.

It's called Food Noise by S.E. Howard.

It's very similar to the movie Raw, if you've seen that one, and you know, it's pretty

much like the same kind of plot, but just very shortened.

So yeah, it's about this girl who's on some sort of weight loss drug and she's lost a

bunch of weight and feels great.

And then her doctor takes her off of it because her insurance doesn't cover it anymore.

And then she starts having these weird cravings for raw meat.

And yeah, I'm not going to say anything else because I'll spoil it, but it's a fun little

read.

And then the last thing that I read was Savage Blooms by ST Gibson.

That one is kind of like a fake slash or slash smut book that takes place in Scotland.

Where this American guy and his friend go to investigate his grandfather's like ancestry

and they find themselves at this like gothic manner that's following apart.

And it's mysterious and mysterious things happen.

And it also gets really spicy.

That book for me, it was kind of long.

It was like almost 500 pages and I feel like not a lot happens.

And then they set themselves up for a sequel with a cliffhanger at the end.

And I kind of hate when there's a cliff, like when you have the climax right at the end

of the book, like you have 20 pages left.

And like nothing's really happened yet.

So that was a little upsetting because I love ST Gibson.

I've talked about her books before.

And education and malice, which was the Carmilla retelling.

She did like a brides of Dracula retelling and all that kind of stuff.

So this one was a little different.

I think I gave that one a four stars as well.

But that's all I've been reading.

I haven't really watched much.

For a straight jacket talk, we just covered the ring.

The American adaptation from 2002, I believe it was.

It was the first time I had seen that since I first watched it as a kid.

So it was an interesting experience because I remember being terrified of that movie when

I was a kid.

I feel like everyone was like my age at that time.

The video tape was just so effective, especially like at that age.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It became out.

Yeah.

I had this like mystique to it.

And I feel like it's super iconic.

Oh.

Oh.

Yeah.

It's cute.

I like it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it was like a Walmart exclusive or something.

That's me.

Dang.

Walmart.

It's only blue right now.

So pedestrian.

Well, you just have to wait to get your paws on a 4K.

But yeah, I liked it.

It's interesting to watch it in 2026 and see how it still has all these elements of a

great film and like storytelling, intention, name we watch is amazing.

Never get bored of her and it's still terrifying.

There's a little bit of a fake out ending that I didn't remember.

I was like, I remember this being scarier and then it happened.

I was like, okay, yeah, this is terrifying.

I love the opening of the movie too.

It reminded me a lot of scream.

Yeah.

Did we cover that on this podcast or the original wringo?

We did the one Jules Hanbo, the American one, that was an exiliate pick way back in the

day.

Yeah.

I just couldn't remember if we actually talked about it on the show or if I just happened

to watch it, like rewatch it similar to Jill, like out of my own volition.

But yeah, no, that Gore Verbinski one holds up at least in a lot of respects, in my opinion,

especially the videotapes.

That would be a very effective, like little piece of horror there.

And isn't it crazy that the other movies he's done is like the three, the first three

pirate movies?

Listen, those are bangers.

They are bangers.

He makes bangers.

Yeah.

I'll fight anybody on those.

They're good.

They are.

It's just an interesting filmography.

You got this horror movie that's iconic and then you got pirates, which are also horror

adjacent, I'd say, at times.

He does have another horror movie and kind of like the mid 2010s, a cure for wellness,

which I remember at the time, it was like this art deco, like wellness retreat horror.

But I really like, it's incredibly long and it stars dainty on.

It's been on my list, actually, picked for the show a couple of times.

And then he also just did that AI movie that I watched that Burwinale that I hated.

Good luck.

Have fun.

Don't die.

It's stars Sam Rockwell.

Tough watch.

No.

In my opinion.

No.

I'm keeping my eye on you two golden jigs.

I heard that little, you know, trying to open the door there of like, oh, you know, pirates,

kind of orgy, isn't there?

Listen, there's like a quote in the first one that where he says like, what is it?

If you don't believe in ghost stories, you best start.

Whatever the fuck the line is, I completely butchered it, but I can't remember.

There's curse of the black pearl.

I mean, we've probably reviewed less horror, you're right, though.

It is a ghost story.

And so is the ring, which I never really realized until now that it's a ghost story.

So.

We're the picket once we go video so that we can watch Mike's reaction when that's

your pick.

And then we can screenshot it.

I think we should really do ringoo because I've seen when I was a kid or adolescent, I

should say I watched like juan, like the, the grudge original Japanese movie and ringoo.

And I really liked the originals and that was like kind of my gateway into jay horror.

But yeah, the American adaptations of both of those are like not bad, especially the ring.

So maybe I'll have to go back and watch ringoo and like never sleep again.

So we'll see.

And the line curse, curse of the black pearl, you best start believing in ghost stories

misturner.

You're in one and then all of them turn to like skeletons and it's so badass.

And I remember like 12 year old Colton, 10 year old Colton, freak the fuck out in theaters

and Toronto's.

Actually, actually it was pretty scary.

I'm not gonna lie.

The old trailers where you see like all of the zombies like pirates walking on the bottom

of the ocean going along and stuff.

I mean, for that age, like a Disney family adventure movie, like there is a lot of horror

elements in it.

Probably not right for the podcast, but I mean, it's not quite as stretch as like, I

don't know if I picked Jurassic Park 3 or something, you know, it's a bit more of a stretch,

I would say.

It's my pick after this, right?

Yeah, don't talk, don't talk shit about a Jurassic Park 3, okay?

That's common.

It's now changing my pick to pirates.

Rain that's out.

And then I watched zombie for the first time, the full team movie, and it is a banger.

It took me a long time to watch it, but Anthony is a big fan.

He put it on and yeah, I was really into it.

I like the zombie design, like how they look ashy and just like dusty, I guess it's like

really unique.

The shark scene was amazing.

Oh, that was more so good.

I was really hooked by that.

And then like the eyeball scene was really good.

And the ending scene as well, I thought was kind of bleak and I don't know, I really like

the whole thing.

So I've been watching a lot of zombie movies.

I don't know if I talked about Don of the Dead, did I talk about that last time?

I can't remember.

I believe so.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, yeah.

I've been watched.

Yeah.

Oh no, the original.

Dead, I think.

Yeah.

Okay.

Did you talk about that?

I did.

You were prepping for to go visit scenes.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember that.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I rewatch Don of the Dead.

I don't know if I talked about last time, but if not, I did.

And then the last thing that I watched was Queens of the Dead, which is the debut film

of Tina Romero, George Romero's daughter.

Is that one newer?

It is, right?

The last 25.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it was really cool.

Like, if I were in a zombie apocalypse, I would want it to happen in a drag club because it

was funny.

It was awesome to see, like, glammed up zombies, like, in drag.

I just love the way they looked.

It also, like, kind of retained, like, that blue, green, like, flesh zombie, like, zombie

flesh that her dad used and she threw a bunch of, like, Easter eggs from her dad's movies

in there.

But I thought it was really fun.

I think I gave that four stars also, but Willow also did a really nice review on that

movie, and I was talking to her about it for a while.

So yeah, if you're into zombie movies and you like drag and you want a gay zombie movie,

that's the one for you.

And that's all I've been up to, Mike, what've you been up to?

Oh my goodness.

Um, well, I've, it's funny.

I kind of have the, like, opposite of you.

I haven't looked at a book in like a month.

Like now you've been touched one.

Normally I always have one to two books in my bag, like, all day, every day.

And I literally haven't even had a book in my bag in the last month because I've just,

like, been watching stuff, like, to save my life.

So I, yeah, I watched a lot of movies, uh, this month.

I'm not going to get into them all because, uh, I just looked at my letterboxed and in

22 days, and this is, this is counting, like, when we watched, like, leprechaun and, um,

the couple that I talked about before that, but like, that was a week into this month

and like, all in all, I have watched 18 movies this month, which is like, a lot.

So I'm just going to kind of like give a little speed run, cold notes, cliff notes for

Americans, uh, run down of like, some of the highlights.

Um, so I have to say I finally, um, a couple of weeks ago, I, and this was when I was not

dirt porer from buying a new computer, um, and like an idiot, I decided to splurge on,

um, my local store had one copy of the, um, limited edition arrow 4k with the slip case

and a poster of basket case.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

Like, we love hand-in-lotter here, some of us do, so we're all, we're mostly, we're mostly

Frank and Hooker stands.

Friendly.

Yeah.

Most of us.

Cold, cold, my like basket case.

There's not a lot of women in that.

I don't think so.

Come on.

A little hanging fruit, low hanging fruit, yeah, low hanging fruit, sorry.

Um, so it was my first time watching it in years.

I don't think I've seen that.

I don't know.

I don't know you watched it.

Yeah.

It was probably like, I would say like maybe in university, we looked down loaded it and

watched it at a party.

That was probably the last time I saw it.

I kept wanting to rewatch it lately and then I said, no, you know, if I'm going to rewatch

it now that there's 4k out, I want to get the 4k.

So I saw that and was like, if I wait to buy this as we were talking about last episode,

like the limited edition version is going to be gone and weirdly at that store, they were

both the same price.

So I was like, I'm just going to get the limited one because I might want to put the poster

up and I do love a good slip cover as does row because he has this.

Yeah.

Row always goes for the slip covers of everything, especially if it's like a real wild

too.

If I get something with it or a slip cover and then I see someone online that will like

sell just the slip cover cheap all the slip cover up, you got to do it.

Yeah.

I ordered actually, I pre-ordered like years ago when it first came out.

One screen factory did the return of the living dead collectors edition and they offered

three different slip covers with three different new artwork on it and I pre-ordered it directly

from screen factory like the day that they put the pre-orders up.

And when I got my package, it actually came with two, like the, it came with all of them.

It had this slip cover on it and then it came with two flattened ones in the package

too with the different artwork so you can like swap out and put the one you like on which

I thought was really cool.

I'm like, I bet those, I kind of want to go on eBay and be like, how much are these

worth to freaks like row?

It's like real life letterbox where we can change the postage.

Oh, yeah, letter by the, it really is though.

It's like patron.

I, I patron screen factory.

Yeah.

So basket case on 4K looks phenomenal.

I urge anybody who likes that movie or his films or loves like kind of fun, like

grind house exploitation cinema of the early 80s, check that one out on 4K because it

looks excellent.

I also decided, I don't even know why I decided to watch this, but randomly on Friday

the 13th instead of watching one of the like core Friday the 13th movies.

I decided to watch Jason goes to hell, which technically doesn't have Friday the 13th

in the title.

But it's because I love it.

It's such a good movie.

Jason goes to hell is my theory and I, I need to get the 4K collector's edition because

I'm pretty sure it has like a director commentary on it.

But I've always had a theory that like American Psycho 2, this was a script that someone wrote

as like a standalone movie that's just like a horror movie, like a body hopping horror

movie.

And they just added like three or four pages to it to like tie it into Friday the 13th

and then just the rest of it is just like could be any random movie.

Like if you took the couple of mentions of Jason out of this, like it could just be a movie

about a body hopping serial killer like it's kind of wild.

I love it.

It's so good.

It's got like great acting and great direction.

That one, they also have the what I love them like all the semen demons in it, right?

Because it goes to hell, they connect it.

Don't they?

To Freddy's dead?

Do those things show up?

Yes.

Yeah, because at the end of the movie, he gets like dragged down to hell by these like giant

hands that come out of the ground and his mask like comes off and stays on the top of

the like dirt.

Yeah.

And then at the end like as they're you know, it's like oh it all wrapped up and they tied

the bow on it right before the credits roll.

It cuts back to the mask and Freddy's hand pops up out of the ground and like pulls it

down.

Yeah.

And he laughs and it's like oh okay, cool.

That was when new line bought the rights to Freddy's so they were like we can finally

make Freddy versus Jason and then they didn't it was, you know, absolute disaster.

You take that back.

It was cool.

I mean, listen, it did give us the probably one of the greatest scenes in horror of Kelly

Roland from Destiny's Child calling Freddy an F-Slur.

I have that on video and gif and about eight folders on my phone and I'm constantly using

it as a reaction to all of my friends put it on the subway and also gave me a night

full of a bad stomach at a sleepover when I was young.

Why?

Oh, it just upset me.

It was one of the first horrible things I've been super gory, I remember and I felt like

sick.

What about that soundtrack though?

I can't even remember that.

I was too busy.

He was too traumatized, Jill.

Oh my god.

We just got it on vinyl.

It's amazing.

Definitely a hardcore new metal soundtrack.

Yeah.

I mean, I probably would have loved it if I was paying much attention to it.

And Catherine Isabel.

Got to talk about her.

Catherine Isabel.

We love, yeah.

Yeah.

Monica Keena.

Lots of Queen's.

So I also decided to, the other night I was just like, what am I going to watch?

I want something like mind bending and I couldn't figure out what I wanted to watch and

so I decided to throw on one of my favorite movies of all time, which I still think we

should do on this podcast and I will pick it eventually.

And that is the iconic Can Russell movie The Devils.

It's a five star movie.

It's been on my list.

It's been on my list for years.

Like ever since I joined the podcast, it's been on my list.

It's just finding the right time to pick what, in my opinions, like an instant sly is

just like, we got to find where it fits.

Oh, for sure.

You don't just throw that into the schedule, Willie Nilly, like it really needs to be the

right.

You're right.

I will give you that like the right time and yeah, you just, it's, it's got to open itself

up.

But yeah, that's literally one of the greatest movies ever.

It's an absolute mind fuck.

If anybody hasn't seen it, but you've seen other Can Russell movies, you kind of know

what you're in for.

It's just a visually insane blasphemous over the top, like hallucinatory experience.

Like, you will never experience again.

And I hate that Warner Brothers owns it and just doesn't want to do anything with it because

I guess it's too offensive to like Christians.

I feel like there was a time period where we could easily like get a version of it on,

you know, like Blu-ray or something because nobody gave a fuck about that.

But now like the culture is like swinging in that direction.

Yeah.

It shifted in such a way, especially if Paramount requires them, right?

I don't know.

Exactly.

You know?

But I watched it a few years ago when it was that the marketing beats going around were

saying like, I don't know, the most banned movie of all time or whatever is now available

on Shutter.

And I remember I actually used Shutter back then, so I checked it out as soon as it hit

Shutter.

Yeah, I loved it.

It was great.

Yeah.

It's just excellent.

And there's multiple different versions, too.

There's like versions with like a couple extra minutes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's wild.

Criterion sometimes puts it on, but the rights are so fucked up that every time they put

it on the Criterion channel, it only is for a month and then it leaves again for like

two years.

And it was recently on there.

So like you can, if you're, if you're savvy enough, you can find it online easily.

So I would definitely suggest doing that and checking it out because it's a movie unlike

any other you will ever watch in your life.

I also finally caught a film that I've been, and it's actually on Shutter and I'm pretty

sure that's where I watched it.

I've been excited about for like a year, and that is the documentary chain reactions

that they put out about Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Oh.

And I get to write this down.

Oh, it's wonderful.

So it's like a talking heads movie where they interview like I think it's five prominent

people in like film and horror and entertainment about their experiences and reactions and

relationship with Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

And it is absolutely fucking excellent.

Stephen King is one of the people they interview.

So he's one of the segments, Karen Kusama, who we've done on the podcast before is one

of them.

One of my favorite people in the universe, Alexandra Heller-Nickolas, who is a film critic

and works with Arrow.

She's one of them, Pat and Oswald, Takashi Mika, like literally it's just this insane

star-studded variety of people.

They all have like completely different sort of takes on it and it's, I feel like it's

probably a little bit under two hours, but it's definitely worth checking out.

It's kind of like a collector's edition supplement of Texas Chainsaw Massacre just all

dumped into one feature-length movie.

So it's like the sort of thing that you would see in bits and bobs on like the second

disc, right?

But they just made a movie out of it.

And like you do not frequently see Stephen King being interviewed for like 20 minutes

about a movie he loves.

Like that's not something that he, I don't think does very much anymore because you know,

he's Stephen King.

He doesn't have to do shit all.

So that shows you how much he cares about this movie.

And it's really interesting seeing its like impact on other filmmakers and like it's

just like the way that it like infects their lives and like affects their work.

Like Takashi Mekes talking about how it like pretty much influenced every movie he ever

made is like phenomenal.

I love it.

And then I'm like, yeah, I can see it.

It makes sense.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Yeah, it's like, you know, an hour and a half of torture, so that's like his whole fucking

filmography.

So yeah, definitely check that out.

I rewatched a witch board, which we've done witch board two on the podcast, which really

I took a sick day the other day.

I wasn't feeling well.

And I said, fuck it, I'm just going to like lie on my couch all day and watch like movies

that I've seen before or garbage and witch board kind of ticks both of those boxes.

Like, it's not the worst movie ever, but it's like certainly not, you know, certainly

not an award winner.

But like, it's fun.

I love a good Ouija board movie.

I love movies with like characters who have giant hair.

That's not a wig.

And Tiny Catain ticks that box.

And I just want to give a shout out.

The last thing I'll mention is a movie that I watched on Criterion channel, maybe like

four or five days ago.

And I had never heard of it before.

It's like a rediscovery that I don't think has been in print in like 25 years.

And it's called I of God.

And it is directed by Hang on now Tim Blake Nelson.

That one nice.

I didn't know.

Yeah.

I wasn't like, I knew I knew the name, but I couldn't figure it out.

And then I'm like, oh, yeah, he did like the off L.O. movie and all sorts of other stuff.

So it was his brother's movies, yeah, and he, it's like, it was his directorial debut.

And I do believe that he did write it as well.

Let me double check.

Yes.

Yeah, he wrote it as well.

It's wild.

It was so fucking good.

It's this like, I don't, it's got like, it's like a drama with a little bit of thriller

elements and it opens with this like teenage boy being found at night and he's like covered

in blood and is mute and just refuses to talk and is like practically catatonic.

And then it kind of jumps back in time a couple of months and you kind of like have to

piece together how he got there.

And it's essentially about him and this young girl played by Martha Plimpton, who was

one of my favorite actresses in the universe.

She's insanely good in this.

And she meets him, but she's also got just gets married to this guy who just gets out

of prison and she met him like, I guess she was writing him letters in prison.

And he gets out and meets up and they get married.

And it's in this like small town in like Southern America and it is just so fucking good.

I urge everybody to have criterion to go watch it.

It's not very long.

I think it was probably about an hour and a half and it's just a really, really not even

an hour and a half.

Yeah, it's 84 minutes.

Really, really good kind of heartbreaking drama and that's not something that I've been

watching a lot lately because I've been sort of like, you know, in horror mode and trash.

So yeah, I have got to check it out in 1997.

It's, it was wonderful.

Ro, what have you been watching?

Yeah.

So I watched a couple of things.

I did a couple of rewatches.

I rewatched, uh, kinds of kindness.

Nice.

It actually went up a whole star on kinds of kindness.

I enjoyed it more so this time around.

I watched with Exilie Exilie had never seen it and she was interested in checking it out.

And I also rewatch dead stream, which I mean, I'm definitely, I'm, it's still on, I'm

circling it.

I'm circling it for some point.

Why?

I love dead stream.

I've seen it so many times.

I watched it, uh, not, not the normal guy that I always watch movies with at work, but

this guy, I would say he's like pretty amateur at horror.

Like, uh, we just watched hostile the other week was like the first time I've ever seen

hostile.

It blew his mind.

But he's big on found footage and he was like kind of looking for like a found footage

he wouldn't necessarily like have watched her.

He had never heard of this, but he also wanted something kind of funny.

And I'm like, oh, like this is very evil dead, like needs found footage and we, uh, we

watched that.

He ended up really enjoying it.

He also did the bayonet rewatch movie 43.

I don't have to say anything else.

It's embarrassing, Rowan, seeing you giving four stars to that movie and reviewing it,

you know, it's awful.

I love it.

I'm just a movie 43 lover, uh, new stuff I checked out.

Uh, I checked out War Machine, which was Netflix's new movie.

This was kind of not really by choice.

This was like someone at work put it on the same guy I showed dead stream to and he's like,

Oh, I know.

I put this Netflix movie on.

I'm just gonna see what it's about.

So I was like, all right.

Cool.

I like sat down, watched it.

And this might be the worst thing I've seen in like a year.

It's pretty bad.

Like, oh my God.

I can't believe you're saying that about my coworker, Alan Richardson.

Oh, I'm sorry, man.

I'm so sorry.

Um, it's not good.

It's like, I thought when I sat down, like I didn't see the picture or what it was about

it.

I already started.

And I was like, Oh, what's this about?

And he's like, Oh, I don't know.

It's a war movie or something.

So I was like, Oh, okay.

So I'm sitting down.

I thought I'm just watching like this like Iraq war movie.

And then there's just some sort of transformer thing that lands and starts killing everybody.

And it's just, it's so bad.

It's so it's, it's not good.

Like this, it's just, this is the purest example of like when people are like, Oh, this

must be AI written and generated like, it had to be.

It was just, it was so inexplicably bad, which is like kind of hard to do because I feel

like you should have be able to make it somewhat entertaining, just like alien transform

everything, shooting the fuck out of people and killing them.

And this managed to not make any of that fun whatsoever.

And like tried to play real serious too, like trying to have commentary on like war vets

and stuff and how you should respect them.

Yeah, it's just, it's just, uh, wasn't good, wasn't good guys.

Uh, I also, I feel like most of the rest of the world, I checked out, uh, loose theros

documentary on Netflix inside the manosphere.

I was going to watch that as well as was one of the few documentaries that broke through

to me where I was like, Oh, maybe I'll tell you that.

Yeah.

I mean, it was all right for watching.

It's not very long.

Obviously, I, I feel like he's probably most famous one is the Scientology one.

And I feel, I like, I remember watching that.

I loved it.

This one was all right.

Netflix did a very good marketing thing where, you know, in the, in the previews, they're

showing you pictures of like Andrew Tate and like all these big, manosphere guys.

And literally none of those guys are in the movie.

They just show like clips of them.

He basically, but I think the biggest person he interviews is some guy in the Miring games.

It's like fresh and fit.

That fucking loser.

Yeah.

Um, it's pretty awesome.

I'll watch it.

Uh, you know, if you, if you've paid attention to the news since this came out, that

Miring games guys, uh, like engagement and his girlfriend and everything, like he's

a single man now throw basically just like destroyed this guy's love life because he's

a fucking idiot.

So you probably shouldn't in a documentary say that, uh, she doesn't have a choice.

You're going to have multiple partners and multiple wives.

And then she's like, what, what did you just say?

And, uh, yeah, it didn't work out for him.

But yeah, it was interesting.

He did a lot of like, like, there was like a British man, you know, manosphere, tick-tock

or guy.

Like I had never heard of him and there's another guy I never, it was people I never heard

of, other than that Miring games guy.

It's because you're not inside the management.

Yeah.

I'm not, I'm not red-pilled enough.

So although it seems these guys were against the red pill, oh, that's a lie.

The interviews that sneak-o guy also got it.

It's just embarrassing.

Yeah.

I know all these guys from like early YouTube and then also like other podcasts like listen

to dunking on them or like interviewing them and then they're just so embarrassing.

That's kind of how I know them.

I watch a lot of like his own piker.

So I was like, yeah, I love like I see you making fun of these guys.

Let's talk about some, uh, some bangers.

Ah.

No, I want to know Mike's reaction because he made a certain face when you said Hassan

like, sorry, I got to scrape myself off my chair.

Anyone got a spatula?

I checked out Shelter, which was the, uh, which was Jason Statham movie.

Yeah, I'm trying to try not to laugh.

It is the newest Jason Statham movie, which I'm assuming they shot once you see like the

towns, obviously shot in like Ireland or something, but very Newfoundland coded like at first

I was like, oh, did he shoot this like in Atlanta, Canada, because at the beginning, he's

like lives in the lighthouse and, you know, it's like very coastal.

I thought it's pretty, I mean, you know, to stay with the movie, you know, you're getting,

you're not getting like, it's in like the beekeeper slot coming up this time of year.

It's not as good as the beekeeper like the beekeeper was, it's pretty wild entertaining.

This is like a lot more serious of a movie, but I like it, you know, and it's always the

same shit.

It's like, you know, he works for a secret government agency and, you know, he was shut down,

but now, you know, he's come out and he's gonna kill the government and everybody that's

trying to kill a kid and they kill his dog in it.

So, you know, like it's like, hey, it's, it's, it's Statham's John Wick, essentially.

Oh my God.

I don't know.

I had a good time with it.

Like I thought it was pretty good.

Also a lot of like, like techno music and house music.

So it's like, a lot of like, Statham in clubs with like techno strobe lights playing

and him just killing guys, which is always a good time.

Like literally, Statham's John Wick.

Yeah, essentially, essentially, I just, I don't know what it is about Statham, I just,

I really like it.

I think it's also because like all of his early stuff, it's like, Statham can actually

act like he's been in like real movies.

And it was like, then he just was like, no, I'm just gonna do this.

I mean, I'm sure he's making money.

But it's like he was in all like the early guy Richie stuff and he was like fantastic

in those.

And you know, more power to him.

Me and Colden, we saw Undertone, 24 on now, it'll be, it's already out.

You can go check it out on now, Slane.

I went.

I took the kid.

We went and saw goats, which is the new Sony animation film about basketballs like produced

by Steph Curry.

And the reason that that movie last year him had to change its title, its original

title was goat.

Yeah.

Oh, there you go.

I didn't know that.

But I had a really good time with this.

If you like the, it's very much in the animation style of like the spider verse animated

stuff.

It's like almost the exact same style.

But I really liked it.

It was cute.

It's like, you know, very space jamish except with animals.

I thought it was a great time.

She loved it.

I loved it.

There was quite a few people there, which is weird because I feel like we're on like at

least two months.

This has been out in the theater.

And there was still like quite a few people there.

Now I guess it was March break, so people were out with their kids and stuff.

I did.

I think all the other things I saw, I just checked out a couple more Oscar things that

I kind of missed before the Oscars.

I checked out the secret agent.

I got to see that.

I enjoyed that quite a bit.

I thought it was very good.

It's long.

It's a long one.

Were you also a little bit confused when I watched the movie at TIFF?

It is long.

I think it's like three hours long.

And also Wagnormora, who was nominated for Best Actory, plays I think three different

characters three hours long time.

And it's all told like not, like not in order.

Anyways, it was definitely a vibe and I liked the lot of it as well.

But I was just like, I don't know if I could sit here and tell you the narrative of this

movie.

Not much of a clue what's going on.

So that was kind of the thing.

Like I was telling Xily about it afterwards and I couldn't really explain it to her.

But it's like I kind of knew what was going on when I was watching it.

But Wagnormora just wasn't an attractive man.

Like just a screen presence attractive man.

And also Mike, you might enjoy this one.

I believe one of the last performances of Udo Kier is in this also.

Nice.

He's fantastic.

Like he's not a big role, but he's awesome in there.

See, it's a great movie.

I really, I thought it was pretty good.

And I checked out sentimental value.

I checked that out today actually this morning.

And I thought it was all right.

I mean, I don't think I was big on it like everyone else.

A lot of four and five stars for it.

This was like a three star territory like the performances are good.

You know, the performances are good.

I just wasn't like the story was kind of whatever to me.

I didn't have any like emotional connection to what was going on.

Yeah, I think where you land on that movie kind of winds up being.

How strongly you relate to like Stalin's scars guards character like that

reconciliation with the father, which just in my own personal life,

I definitely should like that should be like hitting me hard.

But for whatever reason in this movie, I just I wasn't really emotionally moved by it

by the end of it.

I just found you as a complete asshole and you know, kind of the other things in the movie.

I just felt like I've seen before.

So yeah, I was a weird miss for me.

That was one of those I was really looking forward to going into TIFF throughout the whole year.

I landed positively on it.

I thought it was good, but I definitely thought that was going to be like a four and a half sort of.

Yeah, so did I.

I was pretty much in the same boat.

I was like, I feel like I'm going to love this.

And then just sadly, I was like mediocre on it.

Yeah, I'm kind of happy to see you log it because I was considering rewatching it as well.

Just to see like, Oh, was I in the wrong head space?

Was it like my third movie of the day or something when I saw it?

But to see like you actually just log it as one of the only things you watch that day and give it a three?

I don't know.

Maybe it's just not for everybody.

Yeah.

And then I'm not going to talk about them, but the only two other things I saw as I saw the original

ready or not because I had never seen it.

And then I went and saw the new ready or not because being cold and directly after this

will be talking about it.

So that that'll be out before you're listening to this.

So yeah, go listen to what we have to say.

Anyway, Colton, let us know your thoughts there.

What you've been watching.

Yeah, as you mentioned, obviously we saw undertone and ready or not to hear I come.

Or if you just watched the movie called Ready or not, here I come.

They drop the two and it's cleaner.

And I, you know, they should have did that in the marketing as well.

But yeah, you can listen to our now slangs on that.

Leading up to the Oscars, kind of similar to Rowan, I was just checking out a few things,

but not necessarily what I missed.

More so like best picture winners from the past.

I had this great idea scheduled out certain big, you know, glaring blind spots for me

of best pictures throughout the years.

And of course, I didn't wind up watching like any of them other than the apartment from

1960.

Oh my God.

So I've never seen it.

Okay.

Okay.

So so I loved it as well.

I thought it was excellent.

It's my third movie I've seen directed by Billy Wildler, like I saw Sunset Boulevard.

Absolutely loved it.

Double indemnity.

But yeah, I don't know.

I'm one of those people that I have a really hard time watching movies that are basically

before, I don't know, even like the 2000s.

I'm like terrible like that where I find usually I know, I know Mike's rolling his eyes

and probably a lot of our listeners are as well.

And if Willow's here listening, she's definitely like, this is embarrassing to say that you've

only seen, you know, three Billy Wilder movies and no joke.

You go like before 1960, I've probably seen like 15 movies like before that time.

Like, yeah, I know it's embarrassing, but yeah, like trying to get into watching a lot

of those older movies, I'd watch stuff like Casablanca and it not really be for me or

I'd watch Citizen Kane and be like, okay, I understand why people like it, but I don't

like love the movie.

Billy Wilder's earlier movies like, you know, Sunset Boulevard or Double Indemnity were

like the few ones that I'd watch and I actually loved like, and I felt like, okay, these have

a lot of the trappings of what I see in like modern movies.

It's just they're kind of like of their time and a lot of like the stylistic sensibilities.

Like the, you know, the editing is more modern.

The acting isn't completely over the top, it just feels like what I kind of get when

I watch a modern movie in a lot of ways, which I, you know, it's maybe a terrible way

to describe these movies of their time.

But the apartment I turned it on, it was like, you know, on a Monday, stars Jack Lemon

and Shirley McLean and as soon as Shirley McLean hits the screen as like this elevator girl,

you know, with this like, will they won't they kind of rom-com drama?

Like you instantly fall in love with her.

It's like one of those performances like Meg Ryan in, when Harry met Sally or God, what's

like another one.

I don't know when I watched like 500 days of summer the first time where you just love

Zoe De Chanel.

Like there's certain like roles in rom-coms where it's the link with like three exactly

leprechaun three with God.

What's her name?

Lee Armstrong, you know, like, like, it's the same thing.

So yeah, she came on screen.

It's completely in the original and manic pixie dream girl.

Well, well, kind of, right in this movie she actually kind of is.

So anyway, she hit the screen, I was instantly in love, very endearing sort of character and

a really weird plot to this movie that I was just like, was this something people did

in the 60s?

It revolves around a guy trying to move up the corporate ladder.

So he lets his bosses sleep with their mistresses in his apartment.

So he'll stay late at work when they take the mistresses to his apartment.

They do their thing.

He goes home and then like, cleans up after them and then goes back to work to do it all

over again.

So anyways, very strange premise.

But when I was watching it, I thought all the characters were so endearing.

Once again, like the stylistic sensibilities were a lot more like to what I like in modern

movies and just a lot of weird little quirks like from the time period to make it like

authentically feel like the 60s that I don't know.

You watch something like mad men and I love mad men.

But you know, it was made nowadays.

It doesn't have like all of the actual equipment that would be in an apartment to completely

make it look like the 60s.

There was shit in there that I've never seen in other movies that I'm like, oh, this

is a weird thing they're interacting with like, you know, I didn't even, I didn't even

conceive that this existed.

So anyways, the apartment, I, I love this.

That's not your partner.

One of the few movies I watched on 2B and literally as soon as I finished watching it,

I bought the 4K from Kino Lower, or like that night.

I just ordered it.

Wow.

Yeah, and also I will say like I, Billy Wilder, like had me completely in his palm, the

entire movie where all of the twists and turns, anyone with half a brain like if you weren't

paying, like if you weren't fully engrossed by the movie, you'd be able to know everything

coming ahead.

It was just like, I was shocked, you know, as you discover who's mirror in the couch,

you know, it belonged to and all these little silly things.

Anyways, great movie gets way darker and serious near the end than I expected.

But yeah, I mean, you know, obviously old best picture winner, I'm sure I'm not shocking

anybody by saying, you know, 1960s department is a great movie, you know, but I thoroughly

enjoyed it.

And then yeah, the Oscars happened.

I just want to take a minute that I think it was a big year for horror at the Oscars,

like, you know, weapons was nominated for one movie, or sorry, one award, and you know,

Amy Madigan won it, which was awesome.

And then Frankenstein kind of ran away with the tech awards, even though I'm not a big

fan of that movie.

And you know, it's, it is good and technically in a lot of, a lot of aspects.

And then obviously sinners, you know, it had like the most nominations of any movie ever.

And it still walked away with like four pretty prominent awards.

So it was just interesting as a horror fan watching it.

I know like probably most of our listeners don't really care about the Oscars.

And most people on this podcast don't care about the Oscars.

But when I was watching it, I just kind of saw a surge of horror there this year.

And I'm kind of going to be keeping an eye going forward to see if this is kind of every

year.

You got a couple of really strong horror entries that actually get some awards and some

recognition because I mean, hopefully, as we've covered many excellent movies on this

podcast that didn't get any sort of recognition at all from like the industry of our peers,

it's just hopefully things are very, very slowly changing after almost a hundred years of

this award show.

I mean, when to me was nommed for the substance.

I think she wasn't going to win it.

But I was like, even her getting this nomination is kind of wild today.

Oh, absolutely.

And I mean, Amy Madigan was kind of that nomination this year, right?

Where it's like she wasn't marketed to be in weapons.

She is in, you know, the last 40 minutes of the movie, a very big out there over the

top.

Zany, kind of crazy performance, you know, that just like ends in like this like eruption

of blood and gore and whatnot, it's just, it's not normally what people go for at this

sort of ceremony.

So I did love seeing her winning right off the top, right at the top of the night.

And then also Conan using weapons is kind of like his vehicle to completely open the

show, like by parodying it, it was so much fun as well.

So yeah, I really enjoyed it overall.

I mean, production wise and whatnot, it was kind of shit and, you know, not every single

winner I loved, but, you know, for the Oscars, I thought it was an all right showing, especially

if you're watching it, just to see some horror movies to get some recognition.

So I did like it in that regard.

A few other things I checked out at the theaters, I checked out how to make a killing.

Is that an 824 movie?

I think as I ask, I think it is weirdly enough.

Jill, I don't know, you seem to be moving your pen.

I wasn't sure if you knew or not, but no idea.

No, it's a studio canal movie and blueprint pictures.

All right.

Well, for whatever reason in my head, I thought it was like distributed by a 24 or something.

But anyways, it doesn't really matter.

This is a new movie starring Glenn Powell that it was out for a couple of weeks before

I checked it out.

The premise of the movie is essentially he's born into what's supposed to be like a billionaire

family where he has this like windfall inheritance coming down down the pike.

But his mother got pregnant at an early age and basically she was completely like divorced

from the family and sent out the kind of make her own way.

And essentially his mother passes away and on her deathbed, she tells them, you know,

don't settle for the life that you have, you know, fight for the life you deserve.

And he kind of interprets that as, I'm going to go kill off all these billionaires and

get my windfall inheritance.

And I will say it works in some ways.

Like I think in the main way, I don't know if Glenn Powell is the right person to kind

of be playing the like down on his luck, you know, doing anything to make ends meet sort

of guy.

Like you look at him and instantly he just looks like Hollywood handsome bridge.

Yeah.

Exactly instantly, right?

It looks like a silver spoon guy, right?

So I think in that portion of the movie, he wasn't that great.

But once he starts making some money and you know, obviously becomes like a millionaire,

even at like kind of the midpoint of this movie, you can start kind of buying more into

like his playboy millionaire sort of mold that he's falling into.

And a lot of the ways in which he kills people are pretty, is pretty fun in the movie.

I will say he plays it like pretty much all the time with like a winking at the camera

and smiling sort of way, which not all the kills are like those sorts of kills.

So some of them are pretty horrific or you know, terrible.

So it was a sort of thing where I think totally was a little bit weird.

And I didn't always love his performance, but I mean, I did like the movie overall Margaret

Qualies and there is kind of like this woman that's waiting for him to get his windfall

inheritance.

And then once he's finally incredibly wealthy, she'll kind of give them a shot.

So she's like another motivator and obviously she's just like unbelievably hot in the movie.

I mean, that's what she's basically there for.

So yeah, overall, good watch.

I did enjoy it.

Doesn't probably wind up the way you'd fully expect, but it was, you know, I enjoyed

the journey essentially at the theaters.

And the other thing I saw was just it's making headlines now is like, I don't know, the

biggest original, they say original, but it's based on a novel movie and theaters right

now, Project Hail Mary, the new Ryan Gosling.

What is it?

Lord and Miller movie.

And yeah, I saw this in IMAX.

It was like an early, what they call the fan screening.

So it was like four or five days before it opened.

And this one has been marketed now for probably almost a year as this big like four quadrants

and appeals to anybody absolute crowd pleaser.

Everybody will love this.

And I mean, it pretty much is that it's the sort of thing when I watched it.

I'm not even really sure why it had like a PG 13 rating really like it seems like ready

for anybody.

Whenever he curses in the movie always like makes up like a fake name like, you know,

instead of like saying fuck you'll say like, I don't know, fud rockers or something stupid.

Like it feels like those movies that you've seen before where it's just like, oh, there's

supposed to be cursing, but they can't curse.

Yeah.

Very similar to the Andy Weir's other novel, The Martian.

It's largely just your spending time with Ryan Gosling alone in space trying to basically

save the world, save the universe.

And basically the premise for this one is that the sun is being slowly drained or it's

dying.

And in 30 years, essentially, the sun's going to go out.

The temperature is going to rise.

Half of us are going to die from starvation and the other half of us are probably going

to kill each other.

But I really make this sort of Hail Mary project work being launched out into like the outer

limits of space to try and come with some sort of solution to save the sun.

The one thing that kind of keeps some company, I guess if you somehow avoided the trailers

and you don't know it all about what the premise of this movie is, I guess it's a spoiler.

It happens like 45 minutes in.

But he winds up Wednesdays sent out there.

All of his company that he sent with dies, the other three or four people.

And he winds up making friends with another creature that was sent out there from his

civilization to basically figure out how the world's ending and it's this weird little

rock alien.

It looks like a rock crab.

It's called Rocky.

He has no face and you know, I can't really communicate.

He's all puppeteered and pretty janky in the movie.

And basically only communicates via like what we would call whale song.

So very interesting, weird character that they had to build the whole movie and production

around having this weird little rock crab sort of character for Ryan Gosling to interact

with because they had to do all these things like build the whole set like five feet off

the ground.

So the puppeteers could be underneath.

They had to very much map out where this thing could go and that sort of thing.

So it is a little bit of like a feat of filmmaking because apparently they didn't really use CGI

or visual effects for rock.

Oh nice.

They wanted like something tangible for Ryan Gosling to act off of and not just like a tennis

ball.

So it is pretty interesting that we're watching movies where they act at a tennis ball

is boring.

Exactly.

Right.

So there is a lot of like filmmaking cheats and very like little interesting things in

this movie that they actually did it in in camera that I really enjoyed.

And I will say they make you care about Rocky.

This little weird rock alien, I mean, I was I was fighting back tears at certain points.

You know, putting them in danger.

It's, you know, it gets you after like two hours of, you know, spending time with them.

So I really enjoyed it overall.

I will say there's some stuff like near the end where it does the Lord of the Rings return

of the king sort of thing where it ends no joke about five times.

It's literally like, okay, that's a bit of a bit of a sweet ending, but whatever.

And it's like, oh, no, okay, there's more.

Oh, that's a little bit of a downer ending, but all right.

You know, we know what happens.

Okay.

No, there's more.

There's like another action sequence.

And what the hell is happening here?

Okay, this must be the ending.

And no, there's still more.

So it was the sort of thing I definitely felt like I was fine after the first ending and

it goes on for like another 20 minutes.

And then also there's just, I don't know, there's a lot of flashbacks in the movie.

And they don't always hit what I would say at like the, the most opportune time.

It would be like, I don't know, Rowan saving a child.

And we're all like celebrating that Rowan saved this child.

It's like, good job.

Rowan we're applauding.

And then we got a flashback and it's like, oh, but Rowan's also a murderer.

And he actually didn't want to leave as house to save the child.

He just happened to be there.

And it's like, okay, like sure, I guess that makes Rowan slightly worse guy, obviously.

But he still saved the child and like what we're watching.

So there's just some weird timing of character reveals in the movie.

Not quite as heinous as that, but just kind of I was like, why didn't you just put this

in like the first 40 minutes of the movie?

Why are you putting this in it like the most triumphant moment of the movie, especially

when it doesn't impact what we just saw?

So some strange shit like that.

Overall, yeah, very enjoyable.

I was a grown-ass man.

I was sat next to just like little girl and this other big guy on my right side.

And I was just like fighting back tears at one part in the movie where I was like,

I can't just like burst out crying like in this movie theater at this, you know,

Ryan Gosling in a rock-crab movie.

Like, anyways, very enjoyable.

I think it's going to do gangbusters.

I think everybody will probably love it.

You can go see it in theaters.

I thought it was a great little watch for like this time of year, you know, really enjoyed it.

And then yeah, I mean, last thing I watched, I've been watching a lot of Nirvana,

the band, just like the web series and the TV series, which has me feeling

probably a little bit sillier than usual.

But man, I've never seen these guys like anything they've done before.

And as like a Canadian that's embarrassing as well.

But obviously I watched their movie there a couple of weeks ago.

Absolutely loved it.

And I've just been trying to find things just kind of throw on not necessarily in the background,

but not also like they don't fully demand my attention and kind of get away from just consuming

all this YouTube slop all the time, maybe do like 50% slop.

So anyways, Nirvana, the band, the web series and the TV show have been kind of what I've

been throwing on.

And man, some of the just like the humor of the 2000s does not land as well as it does

anymore.

Or some of this is edgier that they probably expected at the beginning.

And then some of the things they're bringing back when they kind of like brought the show

back into production in like 2015, 2016, I don't know, it's a good laugh.

I really enjoy it.

And yeah, even if they're saying a slur every now and then, I'm like, you know what?

I don't think they've said it at that time.

Like I don't think they meant what like I don't think they were basically saying, you

know, in 20 years time, this stuff is going to be terrible.

I think at the time they just thought it was truly funny.

And that's what I choose to take it when I'm watching it rather than being offended

the entire time.

But yeah, I mean, I really, I really like the series.

It's very fun.

Easily disposable, just like 15, 20 minute episodes.

All really silly low stakes of just trying to get a gig at a bar in Toronto, but not

actually putting in the work ever to be a musician more so just going through with these crazy

schemes on how to get them to know it be noticed.

And yeah, it's a lot of fun.

I think anyone should check it out.

If you like the movie, you should certainly check it out because it's like basically the

same sort of comedy the entire time, but just in like easier to, you know, smaller package,

like easier to digest.

So yeah, that's basically everything that I've been consuming.

Well, without why don't we get into what we're going to talk about this evening?

Why we chose it?

It was a mic pick.

Mike, why don't you introduce the movie?

Let us know why you chose it.

Was it to drive cold and insane as you already knew his hatred of old movies?

Yeah, that's an interesting wrinkle that I really like the apartment from 1960 and then

this is also from 1960.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, it was a really great year for cinema.

What can I say?

Yeah, I mean, it's my pick.

It is 1960's peeping Tom.

It was a really great year for cinema.

Like there's some absolute landmark releases that year.

I picked it partially because it's just a great movie.

I mean, listen, if it tortures Colton, then that's just like a side effect.

What can I say?

It's just funny that you know, he's talking about how few movies he's seen from before.

Yeah.

2010 or whatever.

But listen, we do need to squeeze in more of them and that's essentially why I did it.

I was like, okay, let's go back in time a little bit.

Let's get another, you know, and I figured we won't do a black and white because God

forbid everyone looks at a screen that is not in full color and this is good because

this is like technicolor and it's, you know, just got beautiful, vibrant, aesthetic.

So yeah, that's why I picked it.

Well, without why don't we get into the trailer and then we'll be back with the synopsis

and first experiences.

Mark, what do you do?

My wife in a film studio.

I hope to be a director very soon.

Are you here?

Murder.

All this filming isn't helping.

Mark?

Don't be shy.

What are these films you can't wait to look at?

My interest is in the film.

Have you gone crazy?

Yes.

What the hell are we?

I want to lose.

Peeping Tom was directed by Michael Powell and written by Leo Marx and the story is as follows.

Working as a focus puller by day and a sleazy photographer by night, Mark Lewis doesn't remember

a time when he didn't have a camera shoved in his face or pointed at someone else's.

Following in his father's footsteps of exploring voyeurism and fear responses, Mark soon becomes

obsessed with capturing a moment of primal fear.

Look on a woman's face just before he kills them.

Is this our first time seeing Peeping Tom or have we seen it because anytime we get to know

anyone, they say, hey, you're a real Peeping Tom and you just feel real close to this project.

Jill, is this your first time seeing it?

It is.

I have a huge blind spot, especially for older movies.

This is one that wasn't really on my radar at all.

It was a first watch for me.

Colton, what about you?

As I already mentioned, I don't actively seek out movies from around this era unless there's

a big blind spot, which there are numerous blind spots from this area.

Peeping Tom was on my radar, I think purely because I watched some sort of, it might have been

like a cineflix movie list or something, I don't know, probably close to a decade ago,

where they were talking about some great works of horror and what would be kind of the equivalent

from that era if this other one didn't break through.

So I think for whatever reason, Peeping Tom was the stand-in for Psycho.

Like if Psycho didn't blow up and became what it is, everyone would be celebrating Peeping Tom in a similar way.

I think it was kind of what they were hypothesizing.

Interesting.

Yeah, so this one has been on my list for quite a while.

It's actually also been one that I meant to choose on the show at some point.

So at least I can knock that off the list.

And yeah, it was the first time watch for me.

Like I said, I've been meaning the watch, it's been on the watch list for ages, but you know,

busting out a movie from 1960 is not something I do regularly.

No.

It takes a lot of work to do.

So yeah, this is the first time watch for me.

Rowan, what about yourself?

Yeah, so I'm similar to you.

I haven't seen this, but it, you know, I've been aware of it.

For me, mostly, I think yeah, just kind of like documentaries and stuff.

I think the latest thing I can think where they talk about this was one of those found footage documentaries.

I think Shutter did.

They talked like one of the directors they talked to referenced Peeping Tom,

because you know, obviously they, they talk about kind of the influence on found footage and stuff.

But yeah, so I've heard this, you know, multiple times.

I can't say like you, it was like necessarily on a watch list or anything for me.

But I was like kind of aware of it.

So, and I'm also, you know, like you, I kind of have, I feel I'm pretty good in the 70s, the 60s.

Yeah, you're more well-watched than I am.

Yeah, I feel like the 60s error for some reason is like just a decade that always miss.

I see more stuff in the 50s and the 70s than I do the 60s.

So that's kind of a good little, you know, little refreshment, I guess, something different.

Mike, have you seen this before or was this just a blind pick?

No, I had seen it.

I'd always sort of like been familiar with it.

And I remember my textbooks for when I did film studies.

One of them in particular, like they both mentioned it.

And one of them in particular had like one of the chapters I read had kind of like a breakdown of like some of the shots and stuff.

And that really peaked my interest.

And that was around the time that I discovered, you know, criterion and was like always online trying to like,

well, I mean, their movies were so expensive.

And there was nowhere around here than to buy them really.

And I would like find them online.

So, oh, you know what it was too.

Also, it was when we had essentially the Canadian version of Netflix as it was originally started where you could order DVDs and like have them sent to your house.

And then watch them and send them back and get more.

And that's actually how I thought I downloaded it.

And then I realized that that was something else.

I rented it off of zip.ca.

That's what it was called zip.

God.

And it came in and enveloped.

So with the criterion, you know, did peeping Tom.

And so I got the DVD in the mail in a little envelope.

And I watched it.

And that was a million years ago.

And I fell in love with it.

And it was one of those that to the, a lot of time, like with that thing, you obviously, you know,

sending stuff in the mail takes time.

And you want to maximize like how many movies you can get.

So you want to like literally get them and watch them and send them back as soon as possible.

So you can get more.

But that was, so I never usually would watch much of the or pay attention to much of the extras.

Because I was just like, I want to get through three movies tonight.

And when I go to school in the morning, drop them in the mailbox.

But that was one of the only ones because there was a commentary on it by Laura Mulvey.

And if you don't know, she's the one who popularized slash coined the phrase, like the male gaze in like psychoanalytic film theory,

which is like one of the like most, like just trajectory altering like film theory concepts of all time.

And it was like in the 70s that she came up with it.

And people still read her articles today and like, like, sighted it.

Anyway, she did a commentary on it.

And I remember I watched the movie and then watched whatever other movie ahead.

And before I went to bed, I was like, I'm going to watch it again with the commentary on which is something I've only ever done.

Like maybe three times in my life.

So yeah, it was good.

It's also they did just put out a 4K of this criterion and it does still have that commentary.

So if you are inclined to listen to feminist film theory commentary, check out that disc.

It's really good.

So yeah, I've seen it a few times over the years, long story short.

Well, with that, why don't you know, why don't I crank my camera here?

You can decide whether or not that's a euphemism or not.

And yeah, why don't I put my tripod leg up to your eyes and throats?

And if you don't talk about peeping Tom, it could be a bad scene for you.

So a lot of euphemisms.

Yeah, a lot now that I really think about it.

So yeah, peeping Tom.

I mean, obviously my first note, and I don't know if this is like the right conversation

to open up with.

But well, I was just going to say to me, the most glaring thing is this coming out in 1960

and psycho being the other like major release, which I think is probably most of the conversations

where this is involved that some very similar, like very similar things going on,

kind of like the look and descent of like madness and a mad man and obviously like first person stuff.

Yeah, I thought it was just, it's just very interesting.

I think throughout film history, when you have stuff like this that's so similar

that comes out at the exact same time.

And like probably didn't really know about one another.

I just thought it like very interesting that they came out at the same time.

Yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned that they're so similar because obviously now that we look back

in the history of it.

And like once again, you watch that sinophilic movie list or whatever and they explain as to why they'd replace one with the other

or why they believe it's so groundbreaking or whatnot.

But watching it now, and it's been a few years since I've seen psycho, you know, so keep that in mind.

But I didn't actually find it that similar to psycho.

Like don't get me wrong.

There's obviously some stylistic aspects or obviously, you know, where he's killing women and that sort of thing.

There's some comparisons.

But I mean, when I think of psycho, it's kind of like getting the rug pulled out from under you in the first 30 minutes.

Right? Like that's a huge moment.

It's kind of like being in the hotel and the baits estate and like, you know, is issues with his mother

and all these sorts of aspects.

Like don't get me wrong.

Of course, you know, the character of Mark Lewis is very unwell, dude, this entire movie.

As is Norman Bates.

It was just for me, I feel like it was more like looking back on these movies like literary wise,

like comparing them more than I think if you were an actual audience member at the time.

If you'd think like, oh my god, I saw a peeping Tom six months before psycho and psycho just ripped it off.

You know, like I don't know for me if it was that blatant, I guess.

I was gonna say, I mean, like it's sort of very broad strokes, right?

Yeah.

Like you said, there's some thematic stuff there and stylistic.

But I mean, when you look at it, like the rug pole comment is to me kind of key because you have the opposite of that happening in this movie

because you immediately know who the killer is and there's no element of surprise at all.

Maybe like the first minute or two.

They don't show, they just show the back of his head, but like as soon as you see his face, you know, that's the guy and they just...

Yeah, you know within five minutes of this movie opening, right?

Yeah, there's the comparison with like his, the gloves he's wearing and the camera is using that, you know.

The only reason you cut from what we saw before the credits and then cut to the street photography afterwards is because you're drawing the direct correlation that this is the same dude, you know.

Yeah, I guess like if he was dressing up as like the women he was killing or every now and then he would do that.

Maybe like once again, there could be aspects of how I, this could obviously get similar to psycho.

It's just outside of knowing historically that some people compare these two.

I didn't see the like, I didn't see like plagiarism or all their copying one of anything like that in years.

It's like they're both serial killer movies.

That's exactly.

Yeah, with a mad dude at the center, you know.

Like a daddy issues versus mommy issues.

No, exactly true.

Yeah, they're kind of a, they really are kind of a this good double feature together of daddy versus mommy.

I thought it was interesting because as I was watching this and you know maybe just because those type of movies are kind of in my head.

I thought it was very interesting seeing the lineage of like this to I guess the better way to preference it is like I said when I, you know, our first time watching it was that I had heard about this through the found footage lines, which I understand

and I'm sure we'll talk about but it didn't really I wasn't all like, oh, I can see this found footage movie from like 2010, like really referencing this.

I almost saw this line of the two movies I thought are three that I thought of.

There's no way there was like a very strong influence of this was one that we have done on the podcast magic.

Yeah, you're going to say the one that came to my mind.

Yeah, I really thought of magic and really because of these portrayals and we talked about magic like of kind of the lineage to like Joker and like these kind of like portrayals of madness.

I got more of a feeling of that American psycho, you know, also I thought pretty heavily of this.

I was like, there's no way this wasn't an influence to that.

And you know, I mean, obviously a descent to madness is a pretty basic concept, but I think just kind of the tones, especially the me with American psycho in this.

I was like, I was like, I can really see them kind of lined up and in conversation with each other.

You know what's crazy? You didn't mention the one that I was thinking of when I watched this movie.

For whatever reason, I think thesis or thesis that we did like a few years ago.

Yeah, there's a lot that thesis owes to this movie.

Also, once again, it's the recording on the very much being in like the found footage sort of lens.

You know, the murders, the snuff film culture, you know, the killer they're trying to track him by like him renting like video nasties and that sort of thing.

There's basically the merging of the murder and the snuff film aspect of it, like thesis definitely owes a lot to this.

For sure.

A thousand percent.

Yeah. I never even thought of that. You're right.

Yeah, that's one of our academic versions.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

I did see a random fact of the found footage stuff when I was reading about it was that apparently scream four.

They actually mentioned this movie as like the grandfather of found footage.

But then I was reading a fact about it that there was actually, it was the lodger and hangover square.

Actually, they were in in 44 and 45.

And apparently those are actually way earlier like found footage, first person perspective shots.

Interesting, because I haven't heard of those too that you mentioned.

I've heard a lot of people mention numerous times what I haven't heard of those too.

Do we agree with kind of setting this as a found footage or setting it as a, I've seen it mentioned as a proto slasher.

And whatnot.

And I think almost going in with those sorts of like preconceived notions set you up for a different movie than what there's ultimately wound up being.

Because you know, I hear this as a proto slasher. I hear it's a found footage movie.

I wouldn't say I'm the biggest lover of slasers.

But I do really like found footage movies.

And I understand what people are saying where there's like, you can draw correlations to both those genres.

But I don't know if this fits neatly into one or the other really.

If Mark Lewis was more of like hacking up these women constantly throughout the movie and you know racked up more of a kind of a body count, maybe I'd feel that way.

Or if like we were kind of reliving a lot of the movie through him kind of just watching the tapes in his room similar to like something like a sinister or something with Ethan Hawk.

You know, if there was more of that, maybe I'd feel that way, but I don't know, maybe I'm just off base.

Did you guys like get that feeling as you were watching it?

I kind of felt more so I can understand like a proto slasher.

And it just, because when I think of a proto slasher, I think about like, go out of the 60s and like, it's going to be a little slower.

There's not really going to be like that many deaths in it.

And I mean, the stuff in this I'm sure for the 60s is like very sharp, which I mean obviously was very shocking.

I mean, obviously I'm sure we're going to talk about like this being like banned in England and you know this ruined, you know, this it ruined Michael Pals career essentially.

But yeah, I was going to say in terms of like a found footed.

I can't really.

I didn't associate with that.

And I do think that does set you up if you go into it like I did being like, okay, like all I was thinking was found footage because I last time I heard about this was on a found footage documentary.

And then I was like, oh, okay, well, this isn't really that whatsoever.

It's, you know, to me, this is way more like, yeah, proto slasher, proto like GYOLO.

It definitely has like GYOLO fields.

Obviously the technicolor to me was the most glaring thing about it.

I will say like, I do have things I didn't necessarily love about this, but this is like shot in color.

So I mean, I really like the sets and everything.

I love so much just the technic, I mean, I'm a sucker for technicolor.

So me too.

It's just beautiful and everything like how everything's kind of shot dream like in this.

I just I really do like how this is shot.

Yeah, for me, I didn't really think about the found footage aspect until you guys brought it up.

But definitely I can see this being like a proto slasher and it kind of paving the way for slasher's.

Most of the time though, you don't know the identity of your slasher villain.

So that kind of is a little bit different.

But what I mostly got from this and what I liked about it was that it was very much a psychological kind of horror.

And like kind of a character study really.

And I loved learning more about Mark and I loved his relationship with Helen as well.

It was really interesting to watch how like one person can kind of alter.

And you see that a lot in like psychopathic kind of movies.

There's always like one person that they kind of click with and usually ends up pretty tragically.

But yeah, psychological is what I got the most out of this and it is quite a long slow bird.

Also, I watched this on 2b, which is horrific because it was to me if I felt the length.

And I watched this twice in the last 24 hours, but yeah, with the ads on 2b, dear God.

Yeah, I had a less than the seller viewing experience as well because I put it on for the first time yesterday sometime.

And after like 15 or 20 minutes, my phone was blowing up.

And I'm one of those like I try and completely not check my phone when I'm watching movies,

especially for the pod other than taking notes or whatnot.

But yeah, like a group chat was blowing up.

So I was answering some stuff in there after 15, 20 minutes.

And then I was like, oh, there's this thing to check.

And then before you know what, I look up and I'm 40 minutes into the movie.

And I haven't spent paid much attention for the past 25 minutes.

So I was like, all right, I got to stop this.

I can't, I can't keep watching this tonight.

And then you know, I had to start it over fresh today and sit through it.

So, you know, not the same as watching it twice in 24 hours being constantly interrupted with 2b ads.

But definitely like, you know, not the not the theater experience either,

which I try and recreate as best I can on my couch at home when I'm trying to watch for like a first time,

especially if it's something that's what a lot of people kind of hold in such a regard.

I mean, I'm not going to lie.

I felt the length of this to me.

I almost really feel like at some point I'm going to have to revisit it

because I think in, you know, as we've started to have this conversation,

I just really think where I know, like as we said, almost this unfair comparison to Psycho.

So like I go in being like, okay, so I'm going to have to, you know, when I talk on the pod,

I'm assuming I'm going to have to like kind of talk about like this and that

and like why they're compared to things like that.

And you know, we've never, we've never talked about Psycho on the pod cast.

So like, you know, I guess a little like teaser, like, you know, Psycho's a little banner.

I don't know if anyone's ever heard that before.

Yeah, it's like me coming out to be and being like, you know what,

Billy Wilder and the apartment.

I'm good.

It seems to know what he's doing, you know.

I thought about, because you know, I've said many times, like as we get older,

movies that sometimes the pacing can be a little iffy for me.

Psycho was one that I remember like having a lot of anxiety over how I was going to feel about the pacing

and then being like, oh, wait a second.

Like this actually bumps.

And this one, I just, I felt that there was like little walls,

but it was smart enough that it would have walls where I'm like, oh, am I going to have to shit all over Mike's pic?

Like all, like the whole time.

But then it would have little things that would be like, oh, wait a second.

And like I said, I did like looking at it, even for that, because I was just like, it's gorgeous.

Like I do love the way that it's shot.

And I think, uh, I listen to you.

I'm just going to call Carl because if you think I'm going to even try to.

I wanted you to do his name.

Come on.

Let's do it.

Uh, Carl hangs Bohem.

Maybe Bohem.

All right.

Maybe.

Probably not offensively bad, but.

Like I thought he was so interesting.

Like, yeah, just playing our main character, Mark.

Yeah.

You know, in our what we've been consuming section, we brought up like Udo Kier, right?

Like just someone that like looks very interesting, very unique and like his eyes,

he just kind of has a presence on camera that I did think was, was very, very charming.

Yeah, I agree.

But I don't want to get into like negatives and stuff really with the movie and whatnot yet either.

Of course, you know, I'm not used to a lot of movies from this era.

The pacing wise, it was kind of slow or like, you know, the narrative itself was a bit slight.

But I do think stylistically a lot of like what was shown, like the filmmaking, the cinematography was pretty great throughout it.

And I did really like Mark as well as the main character.

I will say like, I don't know, like he plays a lot of it with, it's kind of subdued.

I guess for a lot of the movie, like he can tell he's unwell, but he's not like over the top, like freaking out.

Like, you know, throughout the movie, he's not like a God, what's a, he's not like Joker or something.

You know, throughout the movie, he's not like the walk-in Phoenix Joker, which is what I'd call as like a very unwell guy when you're watching that movie.

But you can tell it's the killer.

Yeah.

You see him the first shot.

It's like, oh yeah, he's, that's, you can see it in the eyes and they say that a lot.

Yeah, you know what's funny about that, too though?

Yeah.

Like I've worked with a lot of camera guys, right?

And there's someone I know quite well who he's like worked with me in the past couple of years.

And he's even worked with my department with me.

And he's possibly murdered lots of women.

Well, possibly.

He's very quiet.

He's a little bit strange.

You know, very, like the sort of guy that'll work with you for a year, and you've heard him say five sentences, right?

But you know, he seems to be a very like right on guy and like does well in school.

And that stuff is a bit younger than me, obviously.

But when I was watching this, I was like, oh, this guy is kind of like this guy.

Like this guy I work with.

And how I finally got that guy I work with the breakout of his shell, as I said, I think you eat people.

This is what I said to him one day.

And like once again, like as his boss, I said, I was like, there's something off me.

I think you eat people is what I said.

And then after that, like he kind of laughed about it.

And then he opened right up after that.

And he was like kind of normal guy on the crew.

And then I told him a couple of weeks later, I was like, I said, I still have my suspicions.

Just because you've been talking for.

And you're more normal now.

You know, I still got my eye on you sort of thing.

So I don't know.

My friend's Colton.

I mean, friends, he's a co-worker, you know.

Maybe you were Mark.

Maybe you're the killer.

Could be.

You never know.

What was that?

I mean, choice be though.

Yeah, I don't have the one leg of the one leg of the tripod sharpened.

I thought that was a cool murder weapon.

Yes.

And then the mirror, the mirror holy shit.

Like, did I miss that throughout the rest of the movie though?

Like, did he always have that mirror piece of his camera kit on there and somehow I miss?

I have to reveal.

Yeah, that's a reveal.

Okay.

Because like when I watched it, I was just like, I wasn't on my phone for this viewing.

I think I would see the huge kind of dish, you know, mirror on this camera.

If it was on there in the earlier scenes when we saw him, you know, going towards the women.

I guess you get the reflections of light on their face and whatnot.

Yes, yeah.

And you think it's like maybe like a camera lighter, a flashlight or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the investigators do make several references throughout the movie to the looks on their faces.

And I think you kind of just assume that it's like the terror of knowing that someone that they know is about to murder them.

But then you find out that it's that but also watching themselves.

Yeah.

Of course, literally petrified.

It reminds me of like Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

It's like, you see the snake or Medusa.

You know what I mean?

Like you turn a stone.

Yeah.

It's like forever embedded.

I love that.

I just feel like this movie shouldn't have been that long because they should have just known to arrest them.

Like when you go to his house and he's like, I'll just give you a nice cold glass of milk.

I feel like that's just automatically like I should be arrested.

Can we have a moment for the cake?

The cake.

The cake look good.

It looks so good.

It was fat too.

It was like a tall ass cake.

Yeah.

Good slice of cake with the single candle.

I said, you know, she put some work into this and bring this upstairs for him.

Uh-huh.

Although I was kind of sad that I was like, oh, maybe he gets the blow of the candle.

She just blows out the candle in front of him.

She's like, there you go.

Yeah.

No wish.

Yeah.

Well, I just like why even have the candle on it really?

If you're going to bring it up lit and then show it to him and then you blow it out.

It's like, well, better luck next time, bud.

So I thought she was also what was her, her character was.

Helen.

Helen, right?

Yeah.

Helen.

Yeah.

I thought she was fantastic in this.

Like she was my second favorite thing about this movie.

Like, very charming.

Yeah.

And all, like charming in the exact opposite way.

As Mark, as like you need, like those roles to work.

Like, very inquisitive, very talkative.

Like, bringing them out of his shell.

Pulling out of his shell.

Yeah.

I think she's excellent.

Now, do you imagine like how much more successful Helen would have been if she just walked up the

American set?

You know what?

I think you eat people and just, you know, really broke down those walls, you know, to cut

right to his core.

I guess.

I love his like infatuation with her and like the fact that he never wants to see her scared.

But one thing I also really like about Helen besides the fact that like she is so charismatic

and she has this like face with these like bright eyes, huge eyes.

Her mom has like the same eyes.

It's crazy how much they look alike.

Actually, I love that too.

But I love that she's like an off, like a children's author.

And she's writing the story about like a magic camera.

And he like really clings to that as well.

And they have, they just have so much chemistry and like similarities.

But like you said, Rowan, they're the exact opposite of each other.

She just obviously doesn't have a good stranger danger sense going on.

I don't know if Anna Macy had or Macy, however you pronounce her name had like a big career

after this or if she's like a Hollywood starlight or anything like that.

But I thought this movie did a good job of casting two people kind of in the leads that

look more or less like everyday people and less like Hollywood people.

And nowadays, I mean, basically everybody in every movie looks like a model and this

is some way more successful doing back, you know, in this era for sure.

They all got their surgeries and their teeth done and exactly right.

It's just something that it's definitely we've lost that charm.

And it was something when I was watching this movie, like even the beautiful women don't

get me wrong.

Of course, they're beautiful, but they do look like women that could exist that you could

see on the street.

Yes.

Exactly.

Not like the perfect model with all this work done that you'd never see unless you're

literally in Los Angeles, you know, it was something like just kind of quaint and nice

about this movie as well, that people had a distinct look, but they also looked like

they would exist in our world, but they weren't like aliens.

Oh, yes.

For sure.

It's funny, actually, that you said you don't know what kind of career she had because

I was going to say she is in two of my like lore thrillers.

This is one of them.

Oh, okay.

And the other one is she was in Alfred Hitchcock's frenzy, which is another really good.

Yeah, serial killer movie.

And she is the exact same in frenzy.

She's that one character that like just leaps off the screen and you want to like be

friend and like hang out with her and spend time with her because she's just so charismatic

here.

Also, in the machinist I saw for new movies, yeah, yeah, shadowed to a skinny Christian

bail.

Skinny is not even the word for it.

Yeah.

It's going to say.

Now, I will say so one thing I didn't like on the back half of this is I thought once

we got into like once like the cops came into it and the detective stuff, I do wish

we kind of got more of following like following Mark around, like, you know, doing is, you

know, killing women and stuff like that.

Like, I just, I found once the kind of cat mose between the cops and him came in.

I don't know why it just kind of like shook me out of it a bit, just because I felt

that that kind of just overpowered it so much.

And I don't know.

I just, I really just wasn't into the like kind of procedural cop thing of this.

I didn't care what the cops were doing.

I was like, I'd like to see more with the camera, you know, especially like after we get

the great scene of him when he, you know, he's killing the back up actor and stuff

or in the suitcase and stuff like, God, that's sad as a masterpiece.

Jesus.

Yeah.

And I thought it was a great scene with, you know, with like dressing the set before he,

you know, he's going to make the kill.

But like, I wanted to see more stuff like that.

Like, and I know the time period, like, this is a lot of kills for like a 1960s baby.

I just, I think I got so much yellow feel that I was like, oh man, I wish it was kind

of like, I can almost sense like a meaner Italian version of this with like more

raunchy, more blood like it's funny.

You mentioned this because we're going to have the exact same conversation to this regard

of what we had with Tenebre where I like that movie so much as soon as you start focusing

more on the cops and kind of the minutia of it, I remember like that movie kind of starting

to slow down a little bit too much for me as well, where this was, I'm glad they didn't

go like full cop where we were like always following them back to their headquarters

and like, you know, the court board on the wall, you know, that sort of shit.

But I do agree that it was, it was the sort of thing once the cops were on to whom I,

I would kind of wish the movie ended within like 10, 15 minutes sort of thing.

You kind of know like the inevitable conclusion at that point and then more so, it definitely

just stretches on a little bit.

I don't know why we always have to have the big cop narrative in these sorts of movies.

I know it's still the case.

I kind of like keep the cops out of, oh.

Well, I feel like they could have did more cat and mouse with the cops.

Like when he's like up in the rafters or whatever and like the pencil is fall out of his pocket.

Yeah, it's a fine moment.

I love that.

I wanted, like, I wanted them to like catch onto that more or like when he's like climbing

down the ladder and they had that like flashlight, like kind of beam right on him.

Like maybe like tone it down a bit, but a couple like quick scenes for like tension like

that.

I like that.

But for me, it's just I don't know if any of these movies are ever improved by adding

like the cop narrative, like anything, like you know, it's like, I don't know, let's

think about like malignant when you're focusing on all the cops.

It's like those are the worst parts of the movie.

Even as someone who hates that movie, it's like those are the worst parts for sure.

Yeah.

Right or like tenebrae like recently, but like if you're having cops in your movie,

I feel like like solving the mystery, being in lockstep with them as they're like kind

of building the persons of interest and kind of trying to frame them and find who it is

should be kind of like the core part of the movie, whereas when you just introduced them

like an afterthought in a movie like this, just because they're imperative to kind of the

ultimate ending, I guess, somewhat not really fully in this movie to tell you the truth,

but a little bit, I guess it's the sort of thing where it's just always bogged it down

a little bit.

It feels like that one beat you have to introduce and act to to like further flesh out your

world.

But I am always like, I'm kind of more like, well, if you added one more person that

he kind of went after and we delve more into kind of his psyche, whether the movie been

just as satisfying without having all this cop bloat.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Cops are always bloat in movies, just like in real life.

Unless it's something like seven, right, which is like, that's the whole point is following

these cops, right?

Or like, what are those Edgar Wright movies that one really hot fuzz or some shit like

that?

Like once again, where the cops are the main characters and you know what you're getting

yourself into.

And that's the whole point.

Like when you introduce them like this and they become like a secondary character or some

some movies, it's so over the top, they become almost like a co-lead for like 30 minutes

of your movie.

It's just always like, I didn't sign up for this and I also don't care.

And in this movie, we know who the killers are and we kind of know like what the specifics

of even what happened to a lot of these women, right?

Because you see it, right?

You kind of live it in the moment.

So yeah, I was just, I don't know, a little unnecessary for sure.

I agree.

It's interesting though that he, like he films everything, even like catching, like he's

watching the police, try to figure it out.

And I thought that was cool.

But yeah, I agree.

I think definitely this movie was a bit long and they could have cut the co-pload, like

he said.

He definitely films himself cranking that camera for sure.

Crank in that hog.

Well, that was something too when I was looking at, because I always have to do this for

these movies as you search up like a summary or a little synopsis of what it is.

Everyone was saying that he was doing it for sexual gratification.

And did I miss something where like was he cranking that hog while watching these videos

at some point in the movie?

Was it just the implication?

Like was it?

I feel like it's more implied.

Yeah, okay.

All right.

I was just making sure I didn't miss like, you know, I didn't get like the cut for a share

or something where you don't see a serious thing going to do.

That guy about, you know, the peeping timeism.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

But the undertone of that conversation is that a peeping time does buy nature at least

somewhat get off on it.

Yes.

Right.

It is like a fetish.

So even though that's not like sort of at the forefront of it, that is definitely like

the, it's between the lines there, maybe not like super important, but like it is cut,

still there's like some kind of sexual thrill to it.

Why do you know so much about this?

A compulsion.

What's going on?

Everyone talk.

Listen, I read a lot of Freud, okay?

Well, voyeurism in general is inherently sexual.

So it's just teaming with it just because of that.

And even as the audience, you, you feel kind of wrong watching this because it kind of

flips it so that the audience is the voyeur as well.

And you start to feel uncomfortable watching it.

So even like the, like the opening scene where you have the lady of the night dying, like,

you know, you feel a little bit like wrong, like seeing all this go down, but you are still

so into it.

You have to keep watching.

Also, I don't know what two quid is in 1960, but I mean, that feels very cheap to me.

I don't know.

I got to do the, I got to do the, you just call that sex worker cheap.

Well, I'm just saying, I don't know.

Maybe I'm just out of touch.

I'm not sure.

But this world, like the world he existed in felt sexualized for sure, like, you know,

we're talking about this convenience store or, you know, wherever he was going to sell

the photos.

And, you know, you got all the, like, naked ladies up on the walls, which it's, it's

kind of crazy because places like this don't really exist nowadays, but I remember as

a kid, like I would go to a, oh, yeah, I've never been the Vegas.

But in, I'm talking about Labrador, I go to the barbershop.

I'm getting my hair cut as five years old.

He turns me around in my seat to kind of get the back.

And it's just boobs all over the walls.

Like, you know, everywhere, right?

You know, just, or like, even as a kid where you go to like the stores where they still

kind of have these magazines around, like every now and then, you know, there's someone

propped up or, you know, the calendar on the wall or whatever, it's just these kind of

sleazy places just don't exist anymore.

So watching it this day and age where a lot of those things are a little bit more sanitized

I guess or people just, you know, they're doing it on their phones instead.

It was just interesting where once again, the world itself and even his other job where

he's taken, you know, risque photos.

And I felt very sexualized and just he himself, I guess, we don't see him ever like pleasuring

himself.

Or kind of going after any of the women in that capacity, I guess in the movie.

Yeah.

I think for him too is like he experienced that trauma with his dad and, you know, for

whatever reasons, his dad was doing it to meet his own ends, but like, I think he's

just like chasing that thrill of trying to find something as messed up as like what

happens to him as a kid.

And I feel like that's why he keeps going like he keeps trying to find the fear on someone

else's face that kind of matches like what he felt and he can just never find it.

How much is $5.50 Canadian from $5.50 and $5.50 Canadian, yep, from 19.

Okay, but now do the translation of how much that would be in today's dollars.

I need to know this.

So can we talk about, just acknowledge the fact that there was, and this was like unheard

of at the time, a brief flash of titty.

Yeah.

Yeah.

60 dollars.

It's like, oh, nice.

I mean, that is still pretty good.

60 pounds to be fair.

From what I hear.

Which is more.

I mean, yeah, okay.

All right.

Seems like quality.

That good bang through bar.

I guess.

That's kind of something.

I don't know what the, I don't know what the market rate is, but it was, when someone

said too quid, I'm like, that seems to me incredibly cheap, I guess.

And can we acknowledge the fact that there was titties in this thing for like one brief

flickering second, which I'm sure at the time was like absolutely shocking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would say so.

I was, I was pretty surprised that it was in there as well for like 1960, once again,

not an expert on movies from this era whatsoever, but once you kind of go back that far, I just

expect things to be a little bit more well covered, but just subtle, I guess, like,

you know, like lingerie or something like that, you know, where it's all implied rather

than explicitly shown.

And I feel like it's almost understatement because like there's the shot of the girl that

he's like photographing, like when she's in bed or whatever, and she's nude.

But yeah, there's also like tons of pictures that they show, like I said, and I was saying

at like the whole bagel or wherever they were.

So I mean, there is both quite a bit.

So as we said, there's always getting compared to psycho.

Like is that a check mark?

They get to, you know, they're like, when you're like, why is peeping Tom better than

psycho?

And it's like titties check.

Blinking you'll miss them.

I'm a real titties.

Yeah.

I was going to say, and speak with that, you know, I brought it up briefly there.

But I do think it's important to have, maybe have like a fuller acknowledgement.

Like I said, like so obviously this came out.

It was banned in like five days in England from what I was reading about it.

Wow.

This destroyed, what did I say is anyone might pal, right?

Michael Powell, yeah.

One of the greatest directors who ever filmed movies.

Yeah, this destroyed his career, you know, just because he was, you know, who was so

such a shock.

And obviously everything I read it was about the implied like sexual violence and obviously

the actual sexuality in it and then just kind of the shock and on.

I just, I always think it's really interesting because nowadays, you know, when we think

about like, you know, England, when we think about like Europe, just anywhere not in North

America, you know, it's like, oh, you know, I always watch shot.

They're not pushies.

They're, they're getting the like NC 17 version of the gangbang.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's more of an aversion to like Gore.

Yeah.

That area, area of the world nowadays where we're like the opposite where it's like you

show a boob that's sacrilegious, but you can show someone getting their head hacked off

or, you know, brains blown out real quickly and it's not as much of an issue.

So it's always surprising to me about it and obviously I like, I know I get it.

The whole video nasty thing and was like a big push in England, but it always surprises

me with that that just ruined this guy, you know, this guy, not only ruining this guy's

career at the time because obviously now this film is like really held to this like

greatest theme, but like we said, like, I just, I think it's shot.

Like it looks so good and it's just like, I've never seen anything else as guys done,

but I'm like, wow, like, imagine if this didn't ruin this guy's career and he could continue

to like be more and more successful like his camera, I mean, like as Mike said, he had

a very successful career already as like 50 movies or something, so he directed one

of the single greatest films ever released in the universe, the red shoes, what he's