PEPTIDES ARE GETTING OUT OF CONTROL | TFATK Ep. 1219

0:00This is really the fight in the kid. Come on, man. We're talking Detroit. We're talking Pep ties. How do you see it? How do you see it? I'm Stratton. Stratton. That's a man's name. Mike Stratton. You know Mike Stratton? He's the owner of Merrick. He's a Stratton. Stratton. Stratton. Stratton. Stratton. He's better than Stratton. I don't know if we're in a strap on it. Yeah, I can see kids doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you like getting pegged, if you like getting pegged, stratons your guy. What? What? That's not a good advertisement. We're talking about Pep ties. Yeah, before I hear I was saying like the Pep ties, it's so hot right now, right? Like Pep ties a big deal. Everyone's using them. But there's no Nike or there's no Ford of Pep ties. Sure. Nike, you know, I deal with a lot of baseball dads, football dads, I'll get questions a little time, big round breakdown as far as Pep ties go.

1:02And my first question is like, we're getting, I get this guy at my local gym like, I don't know about that man. You get blood work? No. I'm like, ah, you're playing with fire. Now it's safer than a lot of other stuff. But still, you're not really doing it the right way. And isn't it true that with Pep ties, if you don't have blood work, you don't have a professional telling you, you can activate different mechanisms that are cross pollinating and screwing things up, right? Yeah, basically Pep ties, you're interacting with genes. And because you're injecting the drug, these are genes or different pathways that will naturally turn on through epigenetics or through your lifestyle or through different activities or actions, right? By injecting them, we're just controlling when that light switch turns on. But there's a lot of downstream effects. So like the Pep tied drug, they have different half-lifes in the body, like some are active for very long periods of time. But some of them just initiate a chain of events but the drug is out of your system. But that chain of events is still turning over, sometimes long-term.

2:03So yeah, they're complex. They cross pollinate to your point. And now when they turn those on and you're saying, like, they'll have a basic short half-life so they won't be detectable. So could athletes use them? You know what I'm saying? Like, let's say you saw the test, or you saw the test, or bought a test, there's certain peptides you could use, where even though if they list them illegal, it'd be tough to test for. Well, because it's becoming more prevalent, they are coming up with different testing procedures in order to catch that. Or things like growth hormone, they're still going to look for natural levels of like IGF1. And if you're taking peptides that might be out of your system quick, but they're releasing growth hormone, it's going to convert in your overnight cycle. They tend to set up a mechanism where you start producing hormone naturally. Yes. Right? So epimoral and... And some more on them. Yes, so those are growth hormone secreta-gogs. So basically what it does, it just binds to receptors in your pituitary and it tells it to produce growth hormone.

3:04But when it goes back to the testing, like you could argue, like, that's... Prove it. That's not my natural level. Sure. If you don't have an example before, how do you know this isn't my natural level? I just run high. Well, you've been through those procedures, right? And they've evolved over time. Yeah, they're getting good. Yeah, they're getting good. They're getting good. You don't want them going. Hey, nobody would just start producing that unless you're... Oh, no, guys are being it. Of course. Oh, no, the athletes are way ahead of the day over. I think it has... I had a very... Won't say who it is, obviously. But he's like, it's not about who's the best fighter, it's about who has the best doctor. Sure. Well, you guys remember Icarus, right here, that documentary, yeah? That was fascinating. I think that close to yours. Super fascinating. But here's the thing. So you were talking about, like, peptides are coming on the scene. Like, we were using this 15 years ago. Really? Yeah. So what's crazy is this, like, the word zeitgeist, but look what's happened to public perception. Because of things like GLP1s, for instance, people... They recognize the power of those drugs. Those are peptide drugs.

4:05Now peptides themselves are known about, and they're associated and they're acceptable for every man, woman, child. Right? There's gramas that have peptides in their fridge. Yep. Right? Yeah. So, like, I think the biggest thing with Merrick is, like, this industry, again, has been going on for a very long time. It's only now getting this public mainstream. Acceptance, awareness, and I think a lot of that was during COVID, right? Because of the Ryan Hatt act, getting temporary released, treatment across borders from providers, male order, I think that really put it on the scene. But, like, with my company at Merrick, like, we're not peptide producers, or manufacturers, these are just tools that we use. So, the biggest thing with my clinic and company is, first and foremost, like, what I'm most proud of, and what I think makes us stand out, is our team members. So, you guys, I believe, have interacted with some of our team members. Doctors. The cool thing is, from doctors to our health coaches, to back office, everybody at my company has a personal experience

5:08with this medicine in this field that goes back to the world. That goes back in history when they were working in car sales, or they were an engineer, they were passionate about this stuff. So, I really have a team of experts that lived this on a daily basis. Well, that's what I know about America. Everybody at America is in shape. Everybody in America is really knowledgeable. Everybody in there, because they've used their own body. They do it with themselves. But peptides are here to stay. They're here to stay. Usually, it's like a, he's really good at, like, when I remember when cryotherapy came along, or things like that, and he just goes, I don't think it's going to last. I was like, what do you mean? And he goes, because it's fads. We've been around a long time. Like, athletes use anti-inflammatories and ice. Yeah. And you can say whatever you want. But if LeBron James and all those guys are using that, athletes have been using it. They use what works, because they can't afford to be playing around. Sure. But it does seem that peptide is important. But I think back to point two, it's like when you talk about you guys have this team and their experience, and they use it so they can definitely recommend stuff. And they have so much knowledge as far as peptides go.

6:10The issue I have is like my father-in-law who's 64. I started getting him involved. He got some issues, right? And they got him on TRT and some other stuff. And he's old school. He was a, was a LAPD for 30 years. He's super old school, right? So he's a little, like, just me talked him into it. It was a big thing. Like Jose Konseko, baseball, dangerous. Yeah, and they're listening in that. So then I go, you gotta get your blood check. His blood check, it's a disaster. His testosterone is fucking in the tanks. They start on TRT. And then he's working with a peptide company person, working with him, talking with him. And he's like, man, I never felt better. Buh, blah, blah. And then he goes back to LA meets with his regular doctor. You know, old school is fuck. And he doesn't tell me this. And they took him, no blood work, no, take him off TRT. Sure. They take all of it away. And he doesn't tell me this. Because he knows I would be fucking upset. And like two weeks go by. And my mother and I was like, yes, Steve's always tired.

7:12He's lethargic. He has no energy. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense. And he's doing the protocol. She's like, I don't know what's going on. So I go outside and I'm like, dude, what's going on? But he's like, well, I don't want to say anything. But a few weeks going back to LA, my, you know, my general doctors said TRT is dangerous in this. And they took it away. And I go, hold on. They literally just told you to stop taking it. Stop taking it. And there's no, no follow up. There's no post-psychonym. There's nothing. There's no, this is the issue. There's this, there's people that know what the fuck they're doing. And then there's the old way of doing things. It's control. And how's it going? Yeah, it's going fine. How's it going? How's it going? And how's your doctor look? A hundred percent doctor. It's bridging that gap. So my, my own mom, like I've been doing this for a long time. And I'm her son. And I try to bring up, you know, over the years, steer her in these directions. And you know, she loves the hell out of me. But I think in the back of her head, she's like, dude, I don't know if I'm going to listen to you.

8:12Hey, Michael. Yeah. I'm going to listen to my doctor. You're a doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Finally though, like she went through breast cancer. She got put into early menopause. And she's suffering. And finally, she gave us a chance. And it's transformed her life. Of course. So there is this acceptance happening. I went through that too. First get to the wall. Yeah. But our parents are always going to be the worst question. They're real brides. You're a parents age. So Brian forever, I'm like, dude, you got to do this. You got to do this. And you know, he's funny. And then finally, I just, I stopped arguing with people. Like I'll have older people arguing about telling them, don't do them. I'll give you. You know, from the, I finally got to the point when I don't give them. Like I had to do them. I had a lot of energy. I had a lot of energy. He always, I always had a lot of energy. And I could do everything. And then you get to be, when you start pushing 60, I don't give a shit who you are. I found myself having to take naps, breaking down. Now taking, and, and, and Merrick said, look, they look at my levels. They're like, just add a little more. Never felt better. Where I work out for an hour and a half, I'm wrestling.

9:14I'm doing jujitsu. I'm lifting weights. And what happens is people start noticing they go, you have a lot of energy. Like you look, you look like you have a lot of energy. Yeah, I do. And once you set that example, they want to know what's up. They want in for sure. And, and everything's done so scientifically where they're looking at every one of your love. But you've always had energy. That was it. Yeah, but now, but it sure peptides, you're built like Kermit the Frog. No, no, I have a really nice body under the shirt. Well, you don't know yet. Hey, he's got a lot of vascularity. A lot of vascularity. He looked at me and he went like this. When he saw me, he went like this. He was like, you went like that. He went like that. He went like, he goes like this. I go, Tom Mark. He goes, like that. I said, hey, her and go, which do you want? No, no, no, he's double that. No, no, no, no, he's not putting in any bandsaw. He didn't, he goes, he goes, you're a poster. You're a poster boy. I said, he goes, please, please be a poster boy. I bring them to him. Sales are down 30%. What? Join the team. What? I don't want to burn the kind of bad.

10:14I don't want bad. I actually heard in the company. I left it heavy yesterday. I'm a little sore. By heavy means 110 pounds. 145 in the bench, guys. 145 in the bench. Dude, wrestling itself. Like how long have you been, I know you, how long have we been doing? Well, both of you guys have been training in grappling, march, and stuff, et cetera. Now, I mean, that was his job. Right. For me, I've been really doing it a lot, like five days a week, now, four days a week, for a year. For a year, a little more than that. What was that curve for you? Like, okay, when you first started, could you do five days a week grappling? No, I was also doing an E-Mom and lifting. So I was just so sore and my buddy said, Shane, you're going to adapt. But you've got to do the, you've got to, that's why the test really good. It's huge. For sure. But honestly, now I'm in better shape than I've been in. I don't know how long. Well, I think that's the biggest thing, because we start talking about peptides, because that is the high item. Here's the thing about these drugs. Like these are tools, but these tools, most of them, some of them, you don't really notice,

11:16but you take them like a good faith insurance policy, and you hope because of the research and the anecdotes and the influencers that it does something. But a lot of them are so powerful. The medicines that it doesn't really matter if it comes from a guy at the gym, if it comes from a homeless guy in a bridge, if it comes from this doctor, that doctor, the drug itself is so powerful that you buy in to the results. But what I think is super important is the container or the environment and how it's facilitated. So like an improper course of treatment, you could still feel significant benefits, be satisfied and buy into that. But with the proper arrangement of a protocol for your goals, for your needs, you might not realize what you're leaving on the table. What's softer than Casper and warmer than wool? It's not a riddle. It's alpaca. You see those animals with that software. We talk about alpaca hoodie here, and I had to check it out to hear some of my favorite podcasters in the game talking about paca. I said, let me get in on the action, dude. Paca makes outdoor and lifestyle apparel for alp.

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13:20I think is like jelly-world poster boy, right? Hunter. As much as they say is not on, okay. So but clearly took GLP1s and goes from whatever, you know, 600 pounds, 200, you know? So then that's like the poster boy. So people are like, oh, that's peptides. Yep. It is, but they're not all the same. It's not all the same. You're not getting super powerful, right? Yes, sir. So so one of the things is like BPC157 for example, TB500. I know people and this is not a not scientific. So you can't go anecdotal. But I there are a lot of people that were cynical that took it and it worked. Now there are a lot of factors that I understand. But with that much anecdotal evidence of people taking it. And if you talk to doctors and you talk to like people that look at the history of it, for whatever reason pharmaceutical companies gave those patents up because they couldn't replicate, they couldn't replicate results. They don't know why, but it did work with animals with wound healing and things like that.

14:20Clearly they work. I don't know to what extent, but why is it that these, why is it that we don't have a lot of evidence is it just that so a lot of it comes down to the patent ability of the drug. So even look at the patented GLP1 drugs, the different brands, it's lilies version versus Pfizer's version or whatever. And they're battling with compounding pharmacies because they are organic molecules that can be tweaked. So the patent ability can be an issue with a lot of these substances just like with testosterone. Like those are some of the issues. The other weird thing is like anabolic steroids or testosterone historically based on research. The end conclusion is these do not have a performance enhancing benefit. That's the conclusion from the research, which is absurd. We know it has a performance advantage. Is that right? They say that about testosterone. That's the conclusion. It does not have a direct performance in the health areas. Effect. Research is starting to change nowadays, but that was kind of the historical baseline.

15:24The unique thing with peptides is like they are powerful, but sometimes peptides on paper, they look like magic and in practice, they're kind of underwhelming. So it's kind of the opposite effect. Which is interesting. So I think you can't discount anecdotes, but I think you also have to look at the research. You have to do some inferred studies and you're right when it's animals versus people. It's different. It's different. It's different. It's different. But at the end of the day, if you have so many people that are having success with this and something like injuries or pain or a part of your life, you're going to do whatever it takes to get to the doctor. Well, first of all, the first thing that the doctor said and your health professionals, they were looking to make sure that your body is starting at a healthy baseline. Sure. So how are you sleeping? How are you eating? How are you working out? Then let's look at all the underlying factors, your AP, whatever the fuck it is and your testosterone, your free testosterone. There's a thousand things they look at to see where your baseline is, what's your supplementation.

16:27And then we can start talking about testosterone. Then we can start talking about peptides. Do you have an injury? So that's kind of the way to do it. I think it really comes down to the end user. If you think about financial wealth management team, if you find one worth their salt, they're going to meet with you at whatever age, whatever level of risk and assets you have. But if they're good, they plan to work with you through death in a state planning. So I think the most important aspect is there are a lot of ways to just order the drug. I think I know what's wrong with me. I think I know what the solution is for me. It's this drug. Let me go acquire it. There's a lot of facilitators out there that will just approve you and let you have this drug. But our approach comes down to goal setting and actually understanding, like, yeah, maybe your testosterone is low, but based on your goals and priorities, it doesn't seem to be a huge value proposition for you. So we're not going to shove it down your throat. Right. We're going to look at other areas. So for us, we like to think of ourselves like a health span management company.

17:28We just want to meet with you at your current state, your current risk tolerance, your goals and your values. And we want to curate protocols that are evolving long term. They should be dynamic because once you attain a goal, you shouldn't just stop there. It's like it's like working out. If my goal is to bench 315, I'm at 250. I do a very concise, periodized plan to get there. I achieve that. You know, stop. I don't stop. I don't just maintain the same program forever. I'm going to stop at 145. You go to 150 now. I go to 150. I go to 185. Do you know what I'm saying, bro? So that's what I mean. Again, I think there is craftsmanship to this and some artisan work. And it is creative. That's why it's a practice of medicine. And this is just our approach. So we all use the same different tools and modalities. But I think the value prop for us anyways is when we look at the individual and we curate long term programs based on goals, risk mitigation, tolerances and whatever phase you're at.

18:28And also we're kind of just getting started. We're kind of in the leather helmets of peptides like some of the stuff Japan's doing like it's wild. I mean, you stem cells. Yeah, there's thousands and thousands and thousands of peptides out there. Yeah. Yes. Well, they're coming up with those myostatin inhibitors. Yeah. A lot of those. Some of those drugs are very interesting. They don't affect your endocrine system. So you will have drugs that are there and stays phase 3 now. And they shut off your, you know, the myostatin. It's like the Belgian blue. Right. So now you're going to be able to put on muscle without changing your endocrine system. The thing about it though is walking around with that much muscle. What is it changing your physiology? Well, that's the problem for endurance. Yeah, your heart's like weight is hurting. So even if it's not androgens that are doing it, it still is this excess weight on your system. Yeah, we're going to have to, you know, have some lab rats try it out. Oh, they are. Yeah, they are. Yeah, I'd be a lab rat. I'll be honest with you. I'll try that. I'm not some Ted Tom. Yeah.

19:29I finally got a chest because you're still waiting for the hair. One, yeah. Just go to Turkey. That's what I told him. I mean, that's what I want to do it, man. I'll go with you. You got a lot of hair. I don't like it. I don't like it. It's good, man. I'm like, you're, you're not giving me the credit, I, but no, you, you've been talking about those myostatin forever. I haven't. I haven't. What intrigues you about it? What interests you so much about? Not as much. He'll let you tell you. It's, it's, I'm fine, but it would be nice. The problem with me is that it's, that physiologically my bone structure is I am a gazelle. I'm never going to be a lion. It's fine. There's just certain ways that your build, it comes with certain benefits. It does. It does. It does. But like, if we're going to war, it's on the front line. No, no. What's the guy going? I don't like that. I don't like that too high on the front line. No, no, no, hold on. You're the one waving while we're talking. While we shoot the, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're waving while we're talking. No, hold on, hold on. I'm also the guy because I'm smaller. I need less food. And it's like, we've got to get behind enemy lines.

20:31We've got to go in there like a phantom. Can't have people see him. I see you from a mile away or a giraffe. You need a fucking, you need a panther. And then you go, and then I go like this, I go, if not me, then who? Did you guys see that? The Odyssey? Yeah. The new movie movie. The movie movie movie. I didn't, I didn't. The photo was good. Yeah. It was so. Is she in that movie? She is in that movie. That's why it is. She is in the movie. He's in the movie and he plays a warrior. Yes. It's a small part. It's a small part. I'm out. Is she in the movie? I'm out. Like the Buzz Lightyear movie. Oh, there's Lesbians in it? I'm out. He. Yeah. He said, please, please. It was solid though. It was good. It was a good, it was a long one. No one's amazing. How long is it? Probably too long for your attention, man. Yeah, three hours or so. That's a tough one to sit through for me. But, it's a journey though. It's a good, it's a good little. No, but if they had it, Miles Hedden, Hibbers, it would be fun to not tell anybody and just come in and just look more and more jacked.

21:32To show up like a Greyhound. But there's nothing worse than a small guy, like a guy who's supposed to be thin and now I've got this, now I'm walking and it's like. Get the veins in your neck. Yeah, it's a little much. Yeah, your neck's all red. It's a little much, you know. It's a little sad. You're supposed to age gracefully and just be able to use those mild, like, have you ever seen those like cows, the bulls, the jacks? The Belgian blue cows. Bring those out, bring the dogs in the gene. They are the war with the gene. They have the gene mutation and there's also dogs like Greyhound breeds that will have this myoset and gene mutation. There you go. Look at they just keep getting the balls. Yeah. So the reason that we, you can't have too much muscle because then you have to feed it protein. And we evolved where protein was a scarce resource. Now that we have a bunch of protein, you can feed those muscles. So it's just different. You can't be in the savanna hunting animals and then have, you know, so that cows born like that. Yeah, it has a genetic mutation and it's like they gave that, I think they gave it the

22:35drug. No, this has been around for a short time. It's a gene mutation. They have an endogues too, like Greyhound, some Greyhound's or maybe some pimples, but I know I've seen it in like the racing fights. Well, whether Jack, you're saying me? I think they gave them the drug though. This is where it comes from. If we look, they have a germ mutation. That's what gave insight to myoset and there's even babies. There's humans that have these myoset and gene deficiencies. Look up, look up natural mutation. Yeah, look up myoset mutation, human or baby. There are some children out there that are out Jack, yeah, 100% little Hercules. Yeah, I mean, he was getting anavar from his dad, but... No, he was. Oh, that's fucking... Oh, that's fucking... Are you joking? That guy... So some of this might be AI, but some of these are legitimate. But I don't think it's good, right? Like they're not... There's trade-offs because think about how many calories that kid needs because you're talking about protein being available, but Brian, imagine having to eat because you have

23:37no choice in the muscle mass, so you have to eat. Yeah. But do they grow up to be like over six feet tall and shit? I don't know about... Yeah, I see. But generally... I don't think so, actually. I think the kid... They come out born for some days. If he's a baby, Hercules doesn't look so great. Well, again, Hercules' baby was anavar, dad. Yeah, that dad is a piece of shit. Yeah. He's be arrested for that. But they're with your endocrine system. But there are, like, humans and they have to eat tremendous amounts of calories. There has to be a downside, right? I don't know. There has to be. Absolutely. I don't know what it means for his kids to play football. He's like, hmm. Think about this, like steroid use when your musculature outpaces your tendons and ligaments and you become more prone to tears and injuries. I don't know how the myostat and effects the ligaments and tendons side of it. Yeah, because if they're born with that, I wonder if the ligaments and tendons are... If they catch you up. Yeah, I know. Because they actually have time. But... With football, they did a study on bigger and faster.

24:37And a lot of times bigger and faster gets injured. You're moving faster. Yeah, a lot more power force. Wow. But it is crazy. I mean, at the end of the day, what do we want? Sometimes we want a vanity, a look about us. Other times we just want to perform. So I think we just got to ask ourselves, like, at the end of the day, what do we truly value? Yeah, depends on what you want. What matters? Because you'll see, like, the best UFC fighters aren't the most ripped. Sure. The best NFL athletes, football players are not ripped. If you Tom Brady was not ripped, then he passed it. No. The catch from the homes isn't ripped. But even guys who are really fast, like, you'll see certain things. Like Marcus Peters, who was a safety, fast is not the word. And he, like, I worked out with him. And he looks... He's not cut at all. Um, Marcus Pears and the NFL. Yeah, he wasn't that cut. How long did you play? Because he returned. When in the middle of the season, he was playing... I was like, really surprised. You know, it was so fast. I was at the enhanced games. Did you guys watch any of that? Or did you see any of that? Uh, I saw a little bit of it.

25:38So the interesting thing about that was when it came to the runners, like the sprinters, the Hunter Beater Sprint, right? Well, there wasn't many records broke. No, yeah. And that's what they wanted. That's what they wanted, which was a disappointment. But there were some contestants that were staunch advocates for not using anything. And they wanted to come and flex and prove that most of them were the sprinters. So again, I don't know if that's true or not. But... I mean, you're either really faster or not. There's a lot of technique and they train for a long time. Yeah, but be... Everyone, there's fast. And then when you're on PDs, you're for one thousand years. Right, but I'm saying that the guys who are at the top of the game are there for a myriad of reasons. It's not... Yes, of course, they have... All of them have a higher rate of fast-rich muscle, but sprinting, like how fast you come out of the blocks, they train so long. There's a lot of technique, too. There's also a ton of... It's the number one... Correct. Sports, sir. And number one, what? Doping sport. Yeah.

26:38I mean, there's... They're always doing all on. They're on. I've heard you say that. So it is name-hands games, like... That's why I didn't work. Right. It also Olympics was like... Yeah, it doesn't have the prestige of the moment of training for four years to do the Olympics in a couple days versus the enhanced games. It's like, we're gonna show up. If you don't think the Olympic weightlifters have been doing it forever. Sure. He Galpin did a study on one of the Olympic guys who had been, I guess, on some kind of scientific steroid forever, but also lifting on a high level. His muscle, his muscle fiber was very close to what a rhinos muscle. It was very different, seriously. It was a density of... A long... A long... And he'd been... But he'd been lifting weights and taking the right kinds of drugs under a government program. I think it was Soviet or Chinese. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Even the weightlifters there, they were allowed to dope and nobody broke records compared

27:39to what they did in the Olympics. So what does it tell you? Does it just tell you everybody in the Olympics is doping anyways? Yeah, it's kind of like... It almost hurt the Olympics. It's like, gosh. Yeah. It was interesting nonetheless, though. Yeah. No, but if you had the swimmers looked... Yeah, they did. They did. Let me just say, bring that up. The guys' lats were... There was a woman who was a non-doper that I believe won. She was a fan of that mistaken. Yeah, but swimming, you know, all of that stuff, if you took the best sprinters in the Olympics and then said, hey, I know you're on stuff, but go hog on. Now you're going to... Now they're going to crush their own records, bro. Yeah, this guy. Yeah, James. Look at that guy. Looks like a pot of various. It looks like a stingray. That's hilarious. It was interesting nonetheless. But that is interesting because you put on so much muscle. I don't know if that's going to be great for the... Yeah, it's an extra weight. Yeah. We would have to look up the actual records, but there were so few that were broken. And a couple of them that were broke, I believe, were from non-enhanced athletes.

28:41And they kind of... So that enhanced games, I don't know if they're going to do it again. I don't know. They kind of lost their ass. It was a spectacle. Yeah. It was interesting. Nobody was that interested. Yeah, but I don't know. The world of performance and asses meant it like... It goes outside of sports too and nontraditional things, even for new tropics and smart drugs. And really, the name of the game is like, what does optimization mean for you? It can mean something different for a professional combat sports athlete or a Silicon Valley CEO female, right? Yeah. It could be, optimization is different. It's just what do you want to optimize for? For me, it's about energy. Energy. I think most people it's energy. Yeah. You never feel that way of talking. You never feel that way of talking. It's what coaches stuff. It's energy's number one. Can you look at... Can you see? Yeah. What do you mean? Does it mean a certain cognizant... Sexual energy. Sexual energy. Okay. So being awake during the day, no brain fog. Yeah. And also looking good. You'd like to look...

29:41You don't want to look fat. You don't look sloppy. Everybody would like to look a little better. Everybody would like to be a little bit... Our eye, even an infant's eye, goes to symmetry. Do you ever see those experiments? No. They'll take an infant and male and female, doesn't matter. They'll show a really symmetrical face of like a supermodel and then a regular person. The child, the infant, can't stop looking at the symmetry. So our eye goes to symmetry. So when you see somebody with like a perfect, you know, it's breeding stock. Yeah, our glass. And here's the craziest shit. They took really symmetrical men and then non-symmetrical men. They had them run on a treadmill. Then they took their shirts and they had women do a blind test when they smelled it. Yeah. They were drawn to the men with symmetry. They were like, this smells better than that guy. Fucking crazy. I think now too, the biggest flex is a dad who's in shape. Sure. When my dad was never out, you know, my dad's a fit dude. But in general, most dads, because of work, dad-bots, there's no time for the gym.

30:46So as they quote unquote, dad-bod. So the biggest flex when you have kids in your shape. Yeah. That's what the majority of dads want. That's the good one. Dad's at least my generation in their third and no chest here. Chest here all day. Chest here all day. All day. All day. All these smooth like a seal. Yeah. But a lot of dads in my generation, by the time they were 35, they let themselves get it. They looked sick. If you go back and look at it, they're like, wow. Bring up, we'll bring up. We'll bring up. We'll bring up. We'll bring up. We'll bring up. Bring up all in the family. The cast. And Carol O'Connor. Bring up Carol O'Connor. We'll even feel like it's dead. We'll leave it to be, or he's like 30 in there. Right. Looks like he's 50. Yeah, I thought he was over 50. By the time he was over 50. That he's 47. He's 27 years old there. He's 27. I mean, I can't. He's 26 years old. He's 46 years old. He's 47. Holy hell. There you go. How wild? Is it the cigarettes? Yes, it's the martini cigarettes. Shitty food, no exercise. They treated their bodies like old cars. They just didn't know back then.

31:46They didn't know. It was whatever. You didn't, you're, you're, you're, nobody's talking about testosterone. They didn't know the fuck out. But what's interesting is kids were in better shape back then. Teenagers were in better shape. That's what's where the old people looked like. They didn't have a retinue. They were always acting up. But then the pictures at the beach just seeing masses of people. Everyone's pretty lean. See some abs. Some muscular development. Look at Red Fox, 548 years old. That's wild. 43. Are you that crazy? And then about that. That's crazy. The Brady bunch, right? Yeah, dude. Yep. Holy hell. It's a pretty nine. Look at her. But then you go back, like, have you seen those pictures of like kids in gym class? Yeah. In high school in like the 60s compared to now. Yeah. See some biceps. Bro. See some chest and chest. And shit. Yeah. Well the presidential fitness test alone. Yes, dude. Yeah. Could anybody do that now? Bro, why not? But now. But now the kids, the athletes today. Yeah. It's a different thing. Next level. Yeah. Especially in things like combat sports, baseball. Baseball. Evolution's a training. You know what's interesting? In combat sports, what you, it, it, it, it, it hasn't had the boom like we thought it was going to have.

32:48No. No, no, it hasn't. You don't think there's a different superior level like for people getting into the sport? Um, I, it, it's a combination of things because now you have athletes are getting involved in fighting. You see they're not as active enough. They're not as exciting. They fight a safer way. It's more technical. It's more technical. So it's more of a sport when you go back to like my class. As a military. When you go back to like, that's way before me. But if you go back to my class where it's, it was like, you had fighters, fighters. Sure. You have blood like they want to make it exciting. Don't fry. It's just a different. Like that world, bro. And we have CTE but it was just a different time, you know? Like and and and we're like, because I remember when I like Brock Lesnar was probably the first like guy to cross over from like NFL that it was me, Matt Metrione, Marcus Jones. They're like, man, it's just matter of time. That's because those NFL guys, they're going to stop going the NFL and come to the UFC and just never came. No. Well, even though you like you have that experience to impose your will on other people, even

33:52through football and those contact sports, I imagine it brings some level of confidence that it's somebody starting out in martial arts only or combat sports. Doesn't that huge advantage? Huge advantage. Huge advantage. But then yeah, maybe makes martial arts has an evolved out and off ever well because the pay because you're not you're not you're not attracting those those five star athletes in the mix martial arts. Sure. Because the money opportunities. The money's not great. Interactive. Very long time. Yeah. But so they're like hold on, I can get a full ride to University of Texas or do Dan White contender series. Well, you know what I mean, University now like the what name image likeness deals. Crazy amount of money that they create. Crazy. But then you look at the level of like, you know, my kiddos play of a six and ten year, like you look at the level they're at. Like you're my six year old. You look at the level he's at. Yeah. But the level he's at a football compared to what I was doing. Bro, it's like you level dude. It's it's on all pro coaches. It's on.

34:53It's insane. It's like my six year old's two coaches. One was his all time leading tackler for Kansas City Chiefs, seven time all pro, bucket award winner. That's crazy. The other dude first round traffic Chicago Bears. My coach when I was six was like a plumber who enjoyed watching football on Sundays. So what does that do to the competitiveness for these children? Yeah. And then but the issue is do they rise to that level or is it selection? No, they they rise to the level. But then everyone's everyone's levels higher, but then you still have your outliers. Yeah. The issue is now kids specializing one sport. So it's turned out they're really, really good at like you'll watch like a ten year old baseball game like holy shit, but he's not playing basketball. He's not doing football. They're specializing and then. Yeah, so you're seeing kids are getting burnt out or. No, not a injury. Some of them, but it's more burnt out when they finally get to make their own choices. They're all done with this. They're over it. Yeah, because we're going to make it. Yeah, exactly. They take the fun out of it.

35:53Like if you're going to make it at some point, you got to push that all in button. So what are you going to do with your kids? In that sense. They can do what they want. That you know, my oldest is leaning towards football. My younger is sick. So he likes both. He's having fun right now. They're just not allowed to fight. Yeah, that's my only thing. They can wrestle, but there's no fighting. Yeah. Do you get to nothing like that? Yeah, they do. They did wrestling at Lake Travis. They liked that. But that's just, you know, they'll be like, oh, dad, I want to keep doing this. You don't want them to get punched in the head. No, they're two out there. They're more off like than I am. So it's like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Sure. And they're better athletes than me. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't need to do that bullshit. Traditional, right? Yeah, yeah, super cool. Yeah. But you fight because you have to or you don't have any options usually. Sure. But even that's different than today. Even today's a little different. Like kids are getting into it because it's the cool thing to do. It's like back when I started, it wasn't that popular. Right. And then before me, yeah, before me, it was the guys who had no options. Now there's a ton of options, man.

36:53The CTE and the brain damage on the side of combat fighting. That's something I've recently got more exposed to and we've done some work. Like, you know, Ian McCall. Uh-huh. So he has a non-profit. Yeah, the shrubs. Yeah, I'm joining them at the end of the month. Oh, nice for a cohort. We got a Peru or is that what? Yeah, so it's this one's going to be in Columbia with ayahuasca, but they've done it with I began in Cancun at beyond. They've done it with a psilocybin. And it's really interesting to do the neural mapping. Merrick's done some diagnostics pre and post just to see what level of physiological changes can take place. But there was a guy that did in one of those cohorts, he was a former fighter. He was in his 30s with dementia symptoms, right? He was in his early days, memory lapses, mood control issues like he was severe for him. He did eye-begin and he was just back to normal. Yeah. It's wild. So it's even more like that. That's wild. Yeah. I have a family member who licked the toad recently. Yeah, boofo. Have you ever done boofo? I haven't, but I have had the opportunity.

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38:56See their website for important safety information and we thank mod for sponsoring the pie. Would you bring up somebody licking? I've done boofo before. You have? What do you do? So boofo is five MEO DMT. We've done DMT. Yes, so NN DMT is typically more visual. It takes you up into a place where as boofo has the same blasts off effect, but it's basically emergence with God. It feels like a near death experience. What benefits did you get from that? So I've gotten a lot of benefits through psychedelic medicines over the years in personal growth and transformation. I'm a partner in Ibogaine Clinic in Mexico as well. That's cool. It's a huge passion mine. It's changed my life. Brian Young was going to have him on my podcast. Brian Young. Is that his name? Mike Young? My partner. Humbert. Brian Humbert. A hundred or close. It sounds like you guys are very clever. Young Humbert. He's got the crunch. He has a voice. He has a voice. He's got that. It's good for special, especially for like troops and stuff, right?

40:00Like veteran. PTSD and trauma, but also so the unique thing about it too, right? For addiction issues. Like here's the thing with like I've witnessed 60 people go through Ibogaine treatment and I'm going to dramatize a little bit, but this is what it feels like. You show up. There's 12 people. Three of them. It's 100 degrees outside. They're wearing hoodies with them over their heads. They're not talking to anybody. They're going through detox or whatever. They're just like not there, right? They're just suffering. They disappear for a day. You see them the next day. They got a full pseudon, fresh haircut, they're dancing. It's like what does Ibogaine do? What happens when you do Ibogaine? So Ibogaine is the most potent psychoactive out of Ibogaine. So Ibogaine is a root bark and it's a traditional sacrament in Africa, right? It's their right of passage and an initiation process. So it's a very unique psychedelic. So it activates your 5-HT2A receptors, which is like psilocybin, DMT, Iowasca.

41:04That's your traditional... So it's a hallucinogenic. It's a hallucinogenic, but it's different. It's more of a dreamlike state. So while it activates those receptors like traditional psychedelics, it activates dopamine transmitters. It activates NMDA receptors like ketamine. So you're in a euphoric state. I don't know if I would call it that. It was the most uncomfortable experience I've ever had in my life. How long does it last? So it... Like, the trip itself will last about 12 hours? What? Yeah, but the effects of the drug last for days. And the unique thing about it for TBI, the unique thing about it for Parkinson's, for Alzheimer's potentially, is that uniquely to Ibogaine, it up regulates GDNF production, which is where dopamine-nergic restoration can take place, which is pretty unique in novel for Ibogaine. And that's fixing the pathways on the database? The pathways for dopamine. And that's why I can help with things like Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's even. But yeah, it's a very unique experience.

42:04It was the most uncomfortable one of my life. Well, it was actually terrifying. And so you were tripping for 12 hours? Yeah, for 12 plus hours. I've done it. Where were you? I was in Mexico at Beyond. This is the facility that I'm partners in. They're world-class. They're the best in the business. You're basically at a luxury resort with other very interesting people, actors, entrepreneurs, people of all walks of life. But you're in like a cardiac unit of a hospital at this retreat. Because why? Because in case... Because Ibogaine is cardiotoxic at the dosage is needed for a full flood dose. So you have to be with an EKG on you at all times in IV because it can kill you. Jesus. But it's not going to kill you if you have a safe team that's monitoring you, but you must have medical... This is something you're doing in your backyard. Not something you're doing in your backyard. So... But did you play sports? Like you just did it so to get happy? So I did it.

43:04Like honestly, I did it for existential crisis, severe burnout in addiction issues, chemical dependency issues. That's why I did it. What was your drug of choice, big doubt? So I permanently quit drinking alcohol after using it, but I was using it. Permanently quit. Permanently quit drinking alcohol. Same. Yup. I've been drinking three years. You had to drink it. ADHD medication. Like I was doing everything I could. I had a role. Yeah. Yeah. Crateum. You name it. Same guy. Yeah. So it was... I was using all these things to push through to chase an outcome. Yup. Right? I got stuck on the bus and I couldn't get off, but I was willing to sell my soul to get there. Yup. That's what happened. But finally, I got to the point where I said, I would rather live in the woods and be healthy and have relationships and have friendships. That's what's important in life. And that was a distorted reality because none of that happened. I am able to have it all, but I had to make that choice that I was willing to sacrifice

44:08all that stuff to actually live as a whole person. But like I came for I began because I've always been a biohacker. I'm always looking for shortcuts. I'm looking for hacks. I'm looking for things that can give me extra benefit. Advantage. How I can sneak out advantages, right? So I came for performance and I left with peace because it was a traumatic experience like during the actual treatment itself. But afterwards, I never felt better in my life. I felt like a little kid again. I had peace and it kicked me off on a spiritual journey. Does anybody have negative effects on it like where you come face to face something and then you get off of the I began? It's just a shit show. Yeah. Like all I hear is positive things, which I'm sure is great and I'm my advocate for it. But there has to be a few people like, bro. So I turned into a credit program after I became. Yeah. Again, I've had the privilege to see so many people go through it. I've seen people have very challenging experiences, but the point is you need to be with facilitators

45:09and integration of that event in time is what is so important. You can't because here's the thing that can happen is you could have an experience where you're hit with some truths. They call it truth medicine, right? You get hit with truths. You might not like that truth. But now you can't deny it. It's not somebody else telling you what's wrong with you. It's you or God confronting you with a truth. You could choose to ignore it if you want, but that's going to cause a lot of psychic tension. So what you generally need is you need some fucking time. You can't do something like that and go right back to your normal life. Put us in Carl Jung's say, if you don't look at your shadows, your dark side, if you don't really key into it. And you're going to be forced to do it eventually anyway. First of all, because you're living a life and you're going to face that eventually. It's going to lead to ruin. And one of the most important things, even Phil Stutt said for actors, he's like, you're going in. The tools. Yeah, it's a great book. And he goes, you're going in as this cheeky guy who's positive.

46:12Your shadow is going to go go fuck yourself because you're lying. Bring in that side of yourself that you are ashamed of. When you're an artist and you want to be vulnerable, you better show the side all of us are hiding because all of us have the side we don't want people to see. We have a side we want people to see. That's what we were saying in other people because yeah, because it's a spectrum. Yeah. So have you seen some people have kind of they did it and it didn't go so yeah, people have had. There's a kind of you don't have to write to it, but it's a kind of like, hey, it's going to show you this. It's your choice what to do after this. It is. It is your choice. So I would say even through those challenging experiences, generally it's I did this. I fought it. And the reason I had let me tell you about my story and how it can translate to other like trauma and shit grown up. Yeah, I've had trauma. I've had different things that have, you know, what drives you. It's what shapes us. Right. Trauma is different for everyone, right? Yeah, it means different things. Different levels of significance and all that stuff.

47:13But here's what happened to me. When I was physically, I had never felt more uncomfortable in my life. I was crawling in my fucking skin. I'm stuck in this bed. I'm obviously high as a kite, but I don't realize it. I'm grasping for control. And I'm trying to fight this thing versus surrender. I'm in cancun. I think to my in my head, I'm thinking, this is all a scam. These guys are not even real doctors. Like I was psychotic and I was like, they have my passport. This is all a lie. Oh my god. I'm going to die here. I need to get out of here. And rather than sitting through the medicine for 12 fucking hours with a blindfold and music, you're exciting. I'm fighting it. And just someone comfortable. Do they have people that can contain you? Yes, they do. They better be ready to go if I'm there. They do. Here's what I realized from it. I realized afterwards when I felt normal, get the straps for breadman. Dude, that's a big boy. If I assume you're trying to kidnap me, we're going to have problems. You're also not going to be able to walk.

48:13Oh, really can't walk. You're like Frankenstein, dude. Oh, wow. Yeah. You're like, that's me easy to like, I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll get on your chest. Hey, hey, hey, take it. Take the pain and come to fuck that. I got this. You can't be there, because I come to and they're like, you killed, Brian. I'm like, what? Just, look at all of the fucking things. You go on those fucking. You're good. So I'm describing something that was truly like terrifying and I tried to find the way to realize it. But is everyone terrified? No, no. So here's what I'm trying. Let me finish my story. Let me tell you really quick, when I came off of the drug and I like, even the next day, I was like, I got to get out of here still. I was still under that guise. I thought I was sober. I was not sober. Oh, wow. It was later in lunch. I went in the pool, all of a sudden I was sober and everything was magical. Like, I finally came back to reality and I was peaceful. It showed me a radical contrast of perspective. And I realized for myself that my quality of life is based on the perspective I choose

49:17to hold. It could either be terrifying and everyone's out to get me and scam me or I can have a perspective that everything is okay. I realized I'm inside the dude that can't sit for 12 hours in a room without stimulus. I'm going to look for something to change the way I feel or I'm going to try to physically escape. It taught me that my perspective is one where I'm skeptical of people. People are going to take advantage of me. I have to watch my back. This could just be. All of a business. You should be. Right. But the reason you're at where you're at is that edge. So if you would have done, I began at 14 and let's say you're this. I'd probably work at a whole piece. You're this earthy guy like everyone's my best friend. You ain't starting to bend this, Baba. Yeah. You're on the spot. You're on the spot. There's like Deontre Water. I love him. He did ayahuasca. Now he's like, no man, love his love. He's just can fucking smoked. Oh, no. You have to have that. He lost the dog. You have to have that dog. You need to be entrepreneur to be in business. Business is cut through it. It's fuck. You can do it because you're at the love of your at now.

50:18I don't know if I'd recommend to like younger athletes. Business entrepreneurs. Well, no. A lot of people sell their companies. They quit business. Like I even had a lot of these thoughts. But what I realize is all that cutthroat nature and stuff. Yes, some people connect that way, but I don't have to act that way. And if that happens to me, I'm wise enough to identify it. And it doesn't need to scar my heart over for I'm trying it again. If somebody screws me over, doesn't mean forever more, I'm never going to allow someone to screw me over again. Yeah. No, that happened one time. I'm going to try it again. Well, you want to. And I'm yourself. What do you mean? Well, did you have sort of the idea that you were able to observe your avatar? Oh, dude. Like on the deepest love, I mean, it is like I had visions where you're going back. It's like a life review. You're going back in 3D and witnessing memories and events that you don't even remember happened when you were a kid and stuff. When you're a kid, time travel, ancestral shit, like being on a ship in the middle of the

51:22Atlantic Ocean being whipping slaves, being in a ship. Oh, my God. How's race? Oh, dude. Yeah. So whether it's anti-sacrifice. That's the right. So anyways, it gets. Yeah. That's just high. That's not bad. Yeah. That's okay. Just. So yeah, it happens. But here's what I'm trying to say is generally the people that I have challenging experience, they try fighting it. And while they're still high under the influence, they say it's not working. It didn't work. I'm mad at everybody. It was a scam. When they finally settle the fuck down and they take some time and they just ride it out, they're full of love, compassion. They look at themselves like, why am I so fucking serious? I'm silly. Like, my results in life come from how I care myself, my perspective, the way I view other people. Like, am I going to have the skeptical lens? Like, what is my quality of life if I think everyone's out to get me at all times? And that lasts for a hell of a month. So the after effects of this medicine can last for months. So they call it, it's an extremely neuroplastic drug that stores in your fat.

52:27So terminology that's used for I began is a window of opportunity. So even if you're using opiates, you can be on opiates. They transition to use something fast acting like morphine. You do, I began, it pushes you forward like 90 days in recovery on your physiology. So you don't go through withdrawals. Or if you do, it's very mild. But neurochemically, it puts you three to six months ahead of where you would have to be white and muckling it. So it allows people to actually feel good and experience joy and install new habits. To me, it felt like I downloaded a new operating system. I just find it so fascinating that there are compounds in nature and they're all over in every culture yet cause you to hallucinate and go into a different state and come out of it with a different understanding. Like to me, that's not an accident. To me, like the fact that there are roots and funguses, mushrooms that can, and toes

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55:31Oh, the last time he starts with a R. I think so. And he was a guy that he was Christian. He was going down there, convert them into Christianity. And he walks away being an atheist. And he was like, but also these people have nothing. They have nothing the happiest people I've seen. He goes, it gave me perspective. Like, we're in this like rat race. Like they're not paying taxes. They don't have to deal with any society's law. They have to deal with any of that stuff. Are they jealous of each other? Does somebody have a cooler stick? Yeah, the next guy. There's none of that. Right. There's none of that. Right. He said this one guy, he did something. Oh, the someone gave him like alcohol. They don't drink. He's doing all that stuff. And he had some drinks and killed his brother's dog. And his brother loved his dog. So he goes up to me. He's like, man, the guy's crying. He's like, we're going to do your brother. He's like, what do you mean? He's like, well, your brother killed your dog. And she's going to like fuck your brother. He goes, why would I hurt my brother? I love him. And he's like, dude, we're in society. Like we're so. It's about love. That's mine.

56:32Yeah, he's like, we're just, he's like, they don't even, they're like, what? Why would I ever hurt any of them? It doesn't even cross the brain. No, it doesn't. They probably feel like you can't own anything. Just borrowing it and giving it back. Sure. Yeah, that's him, Daniel Everett. Oh, super cool. I didn't watch this one. But he talked about, he's just like, yeah, and we're like in this rat race. Yeah, like we're in cities and this and fall about this. And then these people who, you know, they fish for their food and they don't have anything reserved. He's like the happiest people you've ever seen. Zero cavities, zero health issues, shredded lean. Oh, I never heard of that. They're like, when you're on a beach, the, they play with their kids non-stop. They're foot in that forest foot. The kids are happiest shit. Yeah. The parents are constantly around the kids. Until we bring alcohol to them, yeah, exactly. Yeah, man, yeah. Have you guys either of you had, it doesn't have to be through like a medicine or event. But if you had stages in your life that really, I don't know, just like you internalize a lot and it sparked some significant change.

57:34I mean, you're prospective. Yes. What was it for you guys? Gain and loss. Yeah. So you spend, you spend a long time trying in life. Right. And you, you build something and you get something and it comes with a lot of great things. Attention, status, self-validation, external validation. You start to win at the game that you got into. Mm-hmm. And because of a thousand reasons or one reason, chaos will hit and you'll lose that. Or you'll, it'll be very badly disrupted. Or and then you, and then what usually happens instead of sitting with that, and I'm noticing with people is that it's the reaction and compensation and the desperate need to hold on to what was there that causes the problem. Yeah. It's not the actual loss. It's what you do to try to get back to what this was without realizing that this is your lesson, that you're more than what you had,

58:36that what you had probably didn't belong to you either. Interesting. Even the community you had wasn't a real community. We do these things. You see this all the time with people. And if you don't have to navigate that, that's when people put a gun in their mouth. This is why you see a lot of people who make a lot of money on Wall Street. There's a crash and they jump out of window. Because their entire identity is defined by a number. Their entire identity is defined by their standing at the country. They're self-worth, they're self-value. And by the way, so is their relationship with their wife. So, you know, they are this rock. Then the wife finds out you took a bunch of shortcuts and you're ruined, you're going to jail. Boom, they'd rather kill themselves. Yeah, I think with mine, a little different experience than Brian's. The mine was like, I always had a chip on my shoulder, right at this huge chip on my shoulder through sports. Where do you think that came from? I think it's a combination of things. Being the younger brother, having older brother, growing up in a super hyper competitive environment

59:38with predominantly black neighborhoods. So the only way you could get attention is by being athletic. Got it. So that was my love language or attention language. Like I had to get good at sports or what I had to be seen and be super competitive. Also our culture. Which is a good thing. I don't culture it, man. Yes, I know. So the chip came from that, I think, and then constantly being looked over. Like my junior year, right? The head hopes going D1 was talking to Texan and Cal. I get injured on the first play of the season as the whole season. So then I have to walk on. That pissed me off, right? So that puts a chip on your shoulder. Humbling. Humbling, but then you realize like the hardest thing I've ever done and then you make a name for yourself doing that. And then get into the splash in the NFL and realizing, you know, your lifelong dream, right? It's not what you thought it was going to be. So the rug gets pulled out from underneath you. And I could have played there.

1:00:40How was good, man? And it just, I didn't have the same opportunity. So whatever tough pill to swallow. Yeah. And then it was, and then also being a walk on, it was like, this can be a super crazy example. But it was almost like you were second class. Sure. So like the guy in the locker next to me would get these special cleats. I wouldn't get them. And he used to make me so upset. So upset. Yeah. But a walk on is a pretty significant story in and of itself. It turned me into a monster. Yeah. A fucking monster. So that worked ethic from being a walk on and then earning a scholarship. Getting vacillates, eventually earning those cleats. It turned me into a monster. So then I go to the UFC and then all that. And then the sports is one chip on my shoulder. I always had chip on my shoulder. And then when I get into comedy, I don't know what the goal was.

1:01:45I don't know what the vision was. I'm making more money than ever. When I was a kid, there are certain signs that would indicate success or cars. Cars will have been a big thing for me. So this is probably, I don't know, three, four years ago, I realized I have 12 cars. A lot of trophies. Yeah, and it's like who are you doing it for, Bubba? Like I love cars and I remember my dad came. And I had a storage debt below where I keep my cars. My dad came and my dad's a big car guy. But my dad has two cars. He's a big car guy. He has two cars normal. And he's looking, I'm like, kind of bragging my dad. Like, look at this day. He's like, oh, that's cool. That's cool. I'm showing everything popping the hood and he goes, how much that car? I tell him, I paid for Tiger's Clutch tuition. I go, yeah, I know. And I was just like, yeah, right? It's cool, right? He's like, how much that car? And he's like, that paid for Billy's Clutch tuition. And I'm like, oh, shit, man. And then my baby girl has health issues. I'm on the road. I'm drinking all the time.

1:02:46I'm addicted to Adderall. And my oldest is, he's getting old enough to know. I was like, what the fuck? No, this is a difference in you. Not no, it's a different, but just notice like, it's go time, dude. Like when they're infants, the dad's important, but the mom, and then there comes a time when the, you can't wake up hungover, because you're at the commie store the night before. You can't miss his birthday, because you're fucking torn on Australia. Like, none of that stuff fucking matters, dude. And it's like, how much do I need? How much, what's worth it? How much is all this worth it? I'm drinking, I'm doing Adderall, not being a good person, man. And then my baby girl was born with medical issues, and I just went, I'm out, I'm out. I don't need whatever, the 8,000 square foot house. I don't need 12 fucking cars. We've done it. Are you happy? No, man, miserable. You have a drinking prom, you're addicted to Adderall, you're being a shitty human being. So then I just boom, cold turkey. Made the change, and that's been, yeah, three years, man.

1:03:49Three years. That really is the human's journey, just as the scribe. Then it's interesting to find people stuck at certain stages for so long in the same loop. It's like they're retot the same lesson a million times until they choose to just break out of it. They just get stuck in the same level forever. It's tough to get out of it. Yeah, because it seems like something happened until you versus something you could consciously change. Yeah, and then the passion that I have for sports and fighting, it's like you got to be careful where that energy goes, man. Now you get to see your kids do it. Correct. Which is probably, coach all their sports, yeah. Yeah, that's all right. But then again, there's dad to play pro sports, and then I see it all the time. They're so overwhelmed with their kiddos. I mean, it's like, buddy, you're... It's part of their identity now. Yes and no... They're ending through their sons. Well, because they've done it, right? So they've done it. So they want the same thing for their kid.

1:04:50And they should know, but it's like, but you know, I know you mean well, you're going about the wrong way. You know, like in probably two years from now, he's like, dad, I don't want to play anymore. And he can be broken hearted. It's not his fault. It's your fault. He's making plans for his vision a lot. Yeah, exactly. Like in high school. You made this not fun for him, dude. At 10. Dude, there's actually a... I've been seeing commercials. They've been using AI songs for therapy. And one of them is his dad in a car. And it's playing a song. Like he's expressing what he learned in therapy. And it's like, don't tell your son what your coach should have done that he needs a box people out. It's just like taking for fucking food. Yeah. And that's like the... Yeah. You don't need to get so involved in it. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah, and there's a... The dynamic that you got to figure out. And I'm fortunate because I've had great coaches where it's like there's on the dad at home and then on the field on the coach. Sure. So when we're driving the car, your dad, dude.

1:05:52Like I'm not being like, hey, make sure you're doing this. Make sure you're doing it. No, no, no. That's not fun for him, man. That's not fun for him. Yeah. Like I usually talk about things like it right to the next day. Hey, what'd you think of the game, dude? What's could you have done better, dude? That's good. Smart. Yeah, that's where the experience comes in. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'll see dad too, have never played and just tearing to their son. I'm like, oh, buddy. Yeah. God, you're doing it wrong, man. We have that unique perspective of going through all those stages yourself too. So that's good. Yeah, but then there's also, don't get me wrong. There's times like, especially in baseball, football not too much. When baseball, we get so frustrated. Yeah. Dude, he's, first of all, he's 10. Like he still sleeps with a fucking teddy bear. Yeah. He's yelling at this kid because he can't hit a curveball. Yeah. You know, so don't get wrong. There's times where you're fucking frustrated. You get in the game. At least 10. Yeah. 10. That's awesome. That's weird, man. Yeah. It's a weird journey being human.

1:06:52Well, it's one continuous mistake. Yeah. Like you will always keep making mistakes and you keep adjusting. And you'll look back on 10 years ago. Damn, fight only known this then. But there are guide posts. And the reason guide posts have been there forever, let's just take one of the reasons people go to church, remind themselves of the guide posts that have been there for 2500 years, or whatever it might be, right? Sure. You check in with those ancient wisdoms. So framework. Well, also that's what the classics and education are for. Young people are starving for answers. Part of the reason that a lot of these stories last forever is because they have messages that resonate with everyone's psychic structures and life experience. Regardless of your culture or where you come from. Okay, it's, it's, you're gonna face challenges. Here's how you might wanna navigate them. And this is definitely how you don't navigate them. And it's also a good thing. The more challenges, the more conflict, probably better if you can be resilient enough to handle that. Yes, every great story that you've ever seen.

1:07:54A tragedy is a main character who doesn't learn from the lessons. A great trauma, even a great comedy, is the guy has his way of doing things, fuck everybody else. And then in the end, he goes, ah, I gotta do the right thing. And we know he's just crushed it the entire two hours of the movie. You're like, yeah. But when he's crushed it, if he's crushed it, the entire, he's usually a selfish fuck. He's got everything. And he has to learn to think about somebody else for the first time. Those are the famous stories. Shell hell. Yeah. For rain, man, I don't know if you remember with Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman, Dustin Hoffman plays an autistic guy. Oh, yeah. And Tom Cruise, the fucking dude is about cars and everything else. And he stuck with this dude. And he's like, what the fuck am I doing with this crazy? Then he sees his opportunity. Yeah, but then he realized he learned to lesson. He's still too good for him. Learns a lesson from the guy. 100%. It's so great. It's a cool journey. Or you see, you see some of these seems like they've got it all together in the movie. Mm-hmm. And then there's a moment of truth.

1:08:55And they, and they, you realize that they're weak, that they're cowards, that they're all about themselves. And the wife for the first time is a famous, play called the Dollshouse. She sees him for the first time and he goes, I'm saved. He didn't say we're saved. I'm saved. My reputation says. Jesus. And she just goes like this. She goes, because at first when he found out she forged something to make, to raise money for him, he goes, you ruin us. You, you're a criminal. And instead of she was looking for him to say, you should have said, I'll take the fall. We're in this together. You're my wife of eight years, my mother, my three children. And he doesn't. He goes, you've ruined this. You're, you're a stranger. And then he finds out that the guy who was holding that against them burns the IOU. He burns it. So he goes, we're saved. I'm saved. I'm saved. And she looks at him the last line to play. He goes, but we're, we're married. And she goes, I have to, I have to leave. And he goes, but I can help you. And she goes, I don't take help from strangers. Oh, cool.

1:09:56And then, dude, but it's so powerful because you go, and he's just left like this. And you go, you put your own reputation and your social standing above the woman that you fuck, the mother of your children. Yeah, it's image. I don't know. You see this all the time? My quality of life has gotten so much better when I, because I've always been a high performer, right? And willing to do whatever it takes. And a lot of that is just significant self abuse to get the motive behind. Right. So I just, my life got so much better when I took the approach of, I'm going to do my very fucking best at whatever information or knowledge I have at this point in time. I'm going to try to equip myself, but I'm not going to be so fixated on the end result. Like it's not a judge. Do you remember the movie? You were on TV show West Wing, the West Wing. Yeah. So I did that show. I was on an episode and it was supposed to be an actual arc, but I'm with Martin Shane. Martin Shane. Yeah. And the cast were eating lunch.

1:10:57And there was a movie called Guilty about a suspicion with Robert De Niro. It was about the McCarthy era. OK. When they said, give up the names of the people you went to means with. And he would go to these comments and he's going to argue with them. It's based on a true story, David Merrill, who's a director. And he got black bald in Hollywood, because he wouldn't. Rat. He wouldn't rat. Yeah. Right. And I said, and, but, you know, dude, in the movie, like he loses his fucking career, he's got a kitty-came, buys-kid-up bicycle. Because he just, he never worked again. Because he can't rat. He said, I'm not going to do this. Because you should, and then there's a famous, you can see it. It's the actual thing in the McCarthy era. He goes, shame on you. You know, I am an American. You don't have the right to make me speak. I'm not going to turn people in. I was kicked out of those meetings for arguing. I'm not a communist. Yeah. But you're, you're compelling me to tell on people. That's not the American way. And I said to Martin Sheen, we were talking about the movie, and I go, you never know how you're going to behave in those situations. And Martin Sheen was eating, and he's older than me. I never forget this. He goes, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. And when you behave properly or you behave improperly, it just confirms who you've been all along.

1:11:59Sure. I fucking never forgot that. I go, no matter what, dear, when the shit, when the chips are against me, I am going to behave the way I admire. My biggest fear is I'm going to be a coward when the, when the, that's my biggest fear is that I'm a bitch. It's integrity. It's, but, but it's also like, I'm so terrified of being a coward. I'm so terrified of that. It was a shown right in your 60. It would have shown. Yeah, you're. And though you never know, but then you get put in those certain situations and, you know, who are you, motherfucker? Let's see, you know, that's, that's the opportunity of anybody's going to anything. Yeah. If you go to any cancer, well, I don't care what it is. It gives you an opportunity to show yourself and the people around you that you love, who you were the whole time. Sure. Like, you know what I mean? It's, it's a character test. Yes, it's a battle, dude. Who's that guy who said, when you squeeze a lemon, we squeeze an orange, right? What comes out? Orange juice. Mm-hmm. And it's like, we'll see. Yeah, when a human being gets squeezed, if what comes out is shit, is cowardice, you're

1:13:01lower side, you're petty side, that's who you were. Mm-hmm. But when you get squeezed under pressure and what comes out is the hero, the motherfucker who says, I'll take the fall for you because you're my wife or whatever it might be, that's who you were. That's who you were. And you have to condition your soul in my opinion to be that person. Sure. That's what I really believe. As I get older. You got your values straight in an order, right? Mm-hmm. Be a fighter. If I squeeze him right now, and I've done it, you know what comes out? Test, test, well. Test, test, test. Yeah. This thing doesn't move, otherwise I'd show you, but it doesn't move. That's awesome, boys. Yeah. What else do you have? What else do you have planned out here, brother? So we're out here for the Austin Fit Fest, doing some other podcasts and the Austin Fit Fest on Saturday and Sunday, excited to have you out representing. Showing people out, being asleep of the shirt. You guys want this? I saw your poster, dude. You want to say this? You want to get you this little thing? People are asking if that's natural. Yeah. They're asking if that's real.

1:14:02Yeah. Yeah, it's real. The Miles Stanton inhibitors. Yeah, dude, I got a nice set. Yeah, we're going to be out there. Come say what's up to us at the booth. I'm going to have my team members out there. Great people. I'm excited. This guy little juditsu. Have you seen this guy? Have you seen this guy on the... I know. I know. ...to be out there commentating on the MMA fights. They've got a bunch of different events. Have you seen this guy in Austin on the lake? He's got a juditsu amount of floating juditsu. Oh, no shit. They're doing that, though. There's a crowd about floating juditsu. Car juditsu is bananas. Yeah, what's he just asked bystanders to grapple him on the mat? Yeah, and he's got... He wets off 40 times a day on the mat. On the way. People come by and pull. He's shaking. Yeah, he's a brown belt. He's a brown belt. But he beats everybody up. He just pulls out their all day. Yeah, he just hangs out there. He's waiting for the fight. He's half homeless, you know? He's filming it. What's that? He's filming it. Oh, yeah. He's half homeless, but he just seems like a great guy. I don't know if he's... He's like 48 years old. This reminds me of Facebook back in the day.

1:15:03I was doing strong man and we get messages from men saying, hey, come, I'll pay you a couple hundred bucks. Lift me over your head. No, he might be getting sat in out of this too. Yeah, he's just floating a mat in Austin. Did you see this like on TikTok or something? Yeah, he went and wrestled him. Yeah, but I'm saying, yeah, yeah. It's great. This guy? Yeah, that guy I think. Oh, hilarious. It's awesome. He's cleaning the mats, you know? Barton Springs. That's all. I think we're gonna be out there on Friday evening too. Yeah, there you go. Geez. And he's fucking everybody up. Which is a floating mat in the middle of Barton Springs. Oh, yeah, he's at the river. He's scrapping. He got a lot of that. Well, I got good news for you. Curls are great weekend Saturday, Sunday and Monday. That's. Oh, I went to the river. Like the first time I saw you guys, what it was in June,

1:16:05that was my first time in Austin. We went down the river to Barton Springs. I gotta tell you, Austin's not what I expected. It is like Detroit people, hipster white guys, huff and nitrous with their tops off. Really? The bar is spring. Oh, yeah, it was wild. Bro, that's that is my home. Everybody's on mushrooms. Everybody's doing something. Or go to the Gipsy or go to the Instagram aqua Gets. Yeah, go down to this Instagram. Yeah, you got to show up, dude. Yeah, I know, man. I might have to. This guy's great. This guy's great. He's just a gypsy. I didn't mean he's homeless. He's just a gypsy. Yeah, watch this. Look at him. This is just someone that posted about it. Hey, what's up, bud? Hey, what's going on? That was a ball. This is aired book, or I like to call him the bar and springs brown belt. He's out here every day. All summer, scrapping with random strangers out here in Austin, Texas. This is Aquagen. I'm set up here every weekend. And I don't turn anybody away who has any kind of background in full contact, whether it be rugby, lacrosse,

1:17:07Getsy, football. As long as you're sober, we'll put together. What's the Aquagen's rule set? OK, so in Aquagen, there's no kick here punching. Like Zuckerberg's fucking trying to copy my shit. So it's only tap out a splash out. There's no slapping on the pile. Tap out a splash out. Why did you start off with you? What was the inspiration behind me? I wanted to break up the monotony and traditional Getsu. It's cool. It's great. It's going out of sumo rule levels of playing field. It comes to experience levels. The dominant winner is in the high-ranked belt with the crazy life blocks and AIDS problem. How do you keep this thing afloat? You're out here every single day. So what is the inspiration and the reason that keeps you out here, scrapping with strangers every single day? Oh, it's my passion and what I'm spending the rest of my life doing. All it is is for talents, for AIDS, and they're just kept afloat by those topazs. It's just a Boy Scout project that I refined.

1:18:08I'm doing this because someone had to. And I saw how to vision. And yesterday, that vision came to fruition when I saw these Houstonites Aedible, we had a 10-man row rumble on that pop. All right, how many people a day do you think you scrapped with on this platform? Oh, yesterday, I assume, man. There must have been about 40 matches that were in the out. He was cardio. 40 days level. 40 days level. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Good for him. I mean, yeah. And you better be good. I'm bet you he's throwing everybody off. Yeah. Good jit. Yeah, whatever his background is. I think he's, he's, yeah, clear being. Do you still train as well, Jiu Jitsu? Not a ton. Only when I grab him. Do you do no ghee or ghee? No ghee. No ghee? Yeah. Have you ever done ghee? Yeah. Yeah. I got my blue belt from Hensou and ghee. Oh, awesome. I'm gonna go. But I love, I love. So I've trained on and off. And I've trained a lot more this year.

1:19:09Ghee and no ghee. No ghee is because I don't, I don't really know Jiu Jitsu. I know how to like wrestle and grapple people. That's why I like no ghee more. But it's why I'm just, I'm a once in a while. I'm a white belt. I never wrestled. No. I love it. I did strength sports like strong man and stuff like that. Yeah. We have some really good guys here in Austin. Yeah. Sometimes the attack of twins come in and they'll just teach you stuff. Yeah. It's just fun. That's why I moved down to Florida to be with Phil. So he's been coached to me. We'll roll. Do some groups. It's form. Yeah. Duru is a strong kid. Oh, he is. He's a mutant. Yeah. Don't sleep. He doesn't eat photosynthesizes all his nutrients. God. He's doing the dance. Well, man, people can see at the Austin fit for us. Yeah. Yes. Don't see us. Miracelp booth. We're going to have a lot of our team members out there. Health coaches, some special guests. Come meet us. Say what's up? Oh, there's dancing too. They got everything. They have everything. They have everything. They have everything. I'm not getting strong man stuff.

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