Perseverance: Built her dream while in prison, now building STEM careers for Black girls.

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human Welcome aboard season 6 of The Girlfriends. Flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch. But you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Michael and Perry Oli. I want to tell you about my new podcast Underground Zero. We're looking at the opportunity of a lifetime for us and the other families. It's about the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks. What's in the tunnels? Go boss over English. It'll be worth half a billion. Starring Steve Sherrippa, Ray Abruzzo, and me, Michael and Perry Oli.

1:03How far you prepared to go? Depends how far you are. Listen to Underground Zero on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patreonathers, and her husband Michael, mailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know they had died by suicide. Dear Hunnies, this is goodbye. By the time you get the shalliter book, Petra and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? Listen to Death of an Artist on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Little Richard. And we pull apart the story behind the image, discovering forgotten interviews that change exactly how we see these giants of our culture. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes.

2:03I'm your mental joechi. I'm Kai Wright. And this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, Here's the Thing. I talk to actor, Stephen Root. I'm a people watcher. You see that guy going down the drain though? Yeah, I can use that. And open igloo co-founder, Alia Muhammad. I love staying on top of what is going on in our city, what is on renter's minds. And taking all of that knowledge to build a platform, that hopefully is going to make New York City better in the long run. Listen to Here's the Thing on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my show. I'm Richa McDonald, the host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Where we encourage people to stop reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now, you don't want to miss an episode. So please take a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversations Masterclass.

3:04It's free. Follow me on I Heart Radio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. New Money Making Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you on alert because my guests provide tips on how you can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be successful entrepreneur. Now, let's get this podcast started. My next guest rose from inconsturation to receiving the present lifetime achievement award. Here's a company in the cleaning industry and also provides architectural and construction camps inspired the next generation of architects and builders to design experiences. Let's hear our story and the inspiration that changed her life. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Robin Donaldson. How you doing, Robin? I am amazing. I am amazing. Well, Robin, I talked to you offline and you got a lot of energy. So I will get the same energy today because you were, I'm amazing. I was kind of low key.

4:04I was expecting that. There you go. Now, Robin, where are you based at? I'm in Tampa, Florida. Born and raised down in Tampa, Florida, born and raised. Tell me about your life growing up. That's an inconsturation port. Just a point when you grew up in a potential college in your life. Talk about your life as a teenager. Well, my life as a teenager was really sheltered. So I grew up in a very strict religious household. And education was not something that was even really spoke of. Right? And so for me, I went to a trade school where I learned industrial electricity. And so that is really where the love of construction came from. As a result of me graduating, I did have an opportunity to attend Georgia Tech because I was the first female to complete that program.

5:07However, then my mom, she was very religious and they did not believe in going off to college. She felt that you know, a trade was sufficient and that I needed to get to work. So trade versus going to Georgia Tech? I didn't go off to college. I just got a job locally with the electrical fund. And that's where I learned, you know, more hands on about industrial electricity. After a couple of jobs, I decided, I didn't want to man out in the sun. Thank you. And so, and actually I had a table. Right, right. And I'm talking about being in any small quarters. It was that was not what I wanted to do for the long term. Right. So I changed my focus to Ben and hairstylist. And so I had gotten my license for Cosmotology and for Barbrain.

6:08And for a while, I was doing hair. And that was until I got connected with my kids father. Actually, that's one of the reasons how I ended up in jail. Now you're coming to this relationship. One of your values changed the length you've been incarcerated. Was it easy money? Was it the thought process that, hey, I was just going to do it for a little bit and get out? Talk to his Robin. Well, in order for you to understand, I would have to back it up. Let's back it up. So because I was in such a restrictive household, right? Okay. The moment I graduated, I had my certificate in one hand and I had my luggage in the next. I had to give away. And so from that, I ran to the arms of an older guy. And he happened to be a drug dealer. And things just really spirited out.

7:12I mean, for me, selling drugs from hell to using drugs to making stupid decisions in the way of using my account to harbor money to write checks. So I was just really running from one situation to the other. And being with that, my kids father, I was involved in a lot of illegal activity that's finally caught up to me. And as a result, I did go to prison. Okay. Now, how many children did you have at the time when you went to prison? I had two kids and I was pregnant with one. And now, when you say the word drug dealer, that's such a broad word, you know, that you can say that people who are these pharmaceutical companies are drug dealers, the way they got to pay out these money. But you are not alone the lives of the street. What type of drugs were you guys selling? Crack cocaine. And you are a user. Yes, I was. I was a good one.

8:12The word point that you would not say to yourself very smart, young lady, this is not good. I was a bit smart. I was book smart, but street smart, I had no idea. I was looking for love. I was looking for a father figure. And that is what I received. And so you're I'm pretty sure you're a mentor. How do you feel when you communicate your story to young ladies who you don't know to see go down the same path? You went down robin. How do you connect with them by keeping it real? At one time I was shame, I was shame to tell my story and then also to talk about all of the mental, verbal abuse that I had to undergo just the just in the name of love. I really get some crazy things like from the abuse I thought that was his way of showing me that he loved me to the point that I would instigate an argument so he could work my back. Stay with us more money making conversation master class coming up next.

9:18On the new podcast solita we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Beniero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to money making conversation masterclass hosted by me, Rishan McDonald, money making conversation masterclass continues online and money making conversations dot com and follow money making conversation masterclass on Facebook, ex and Instagram.

10:35Now, not eight that stupid. Now, what you got incarcerated. You say you were pregnant at two children. Okay, so before I got incarcerated before because I had to turn myself in. I was affluting the authorities until I had my door because I did not want to have my daughter in the penitentiary. So after I gave birth and I was cleared, I turned myself in. Now, you have your child, you turn yourself in. How many years were you incarcerated five? Five years was that what did you get out early through probation or you did the entire sentence? I did the entire sentence. Now, I've asked the question, did you learn anything while you were in prison? That's what it all changed. Talk to me. I had time to say I had time to explore. I had an opportunity to advance my education. Well, while in prison. While in prison.

11:35When you say advanced your education, tell us about work level or the education you advanced to. Associate degrees. So for me, prison was very hard and I spent a lot of time in concern. And I made the best use of confinement. I'm confined for 23 hours. I go out for an hour. My time, my days was meditating and learning. Then I had guards. We became very, very close. And a couple of them, they were attending their local community college. And I would assist them with their books. And when I turned, I'm able to read their books. You know, so if I'm going to help tutor you on business, well, guess what? I know business. Well, I'm talking to Robin Donaldson. She went from incarceration to being honored by the president with her lifetime achievement award. And all she does camps, mentoring camps for youth and architecture and a construction design in the area of Tampa, Florida.

12:38She's not only turned her life around, but now she's turning other young people's lives around. And she's really a teller story. That's why she's on money making conversation, master glass of day, to tell our story. She's not trying to hype her situation. She's trying to convey from authentic matter that you don't live the life that she lived. But if you live this life, you can't turn your life around. And that's the story I want to tell on the show today, Rob. You turning your life around. Now, when you got out of prison, you learned a lot while you were in prison, Robin, was there steps as you were seeing your day come up prepared for the exit? Well, at the time, I didn't really have an exit plan and the exit plan came when I learned how to strip in both floors in prison at the highest level. I mean, the floor is glass. Right. So what I did, I took that knowledge.

13:38Did they ask you to do that? Or you just stepped it up. Okay. Okay. So you want to get back to that story. Okay. Absolutely. I'm just happy. You're going to go through it. Why are you doing it at this level? What I know you can have just done it at this level. Okay. So let's see. You want to know the story story. Just mail. Because I, again, I frequent confinement a lot. Right. And. So it was one incident where I was allowed to be released to the count panel. And the Wharton had stopped me. He said, Ms. in a dollar. See, you have a problem with, you know, instigating things on the compound. He said, I got, I got a solution for you. While everybody is going to put you all through it. Yeah. If you go stripping wax. The administrator. Build it. Right. All right. So again, that is where I learned how to strip wax and book floors.

14:40Like no other. All the third year. On the third shift when everybody was sleep. When the compound was open, I was sleep. So, so he saw your true gift was the top human personal contact. And put you to work when everybody else was sleep. And whenever I was up, you was sleep. Yes, sir. Now, as you came out because I mentioned in your intro, you have, you have a cleaning best. But when you come out, we know that's not an easy exit. You know, you have three children out there waiting on you. What was the man of your life at that point? Was he still in your life? He was doing time as well. Okay. Cool. So you came out by yourself, basically. How did you start getting those feet? And put those feet down on that concrete and start walking forward like you know you belong there. Talk to me, Robin. So what happened was I was able to get a work release.

15:42It was six months prior to my release date. They allowed me to go to a work release program where I would be local, not in prison. It's a halfway house. Transitioning. There you go. And one of the requirements is you had to have a job. And so right up the street, there was a homewood sweeps by Hilton, right? And I applied. And that's where I learned how to clean at the highest level. Hilton is by far one of the cleanest chains that I know. And again, learning how to clean at the highest level. Plus knowing how to strip wax and buzz at the highest level. It only made sense for me to be a cleaning service. I really like listening to you because that's the sort of smile on your face. Because that makes you good at it. It's always great to be good at something. You know, I'm going to take the word out. I'm not saying good. She smiled because she's great at it.

16:43Because she uses the word highest level. She never used to, I'm undermining her talents and I apologize. She kept using the word I learned at the highest level. I bumped at the highest level. So those skills you recognize were different from everybody else. Because you put in more effort or you just naturally talented at it. It was part of a big acclaim. When I came home, I said I opened the cleaning service. But the ultimate goal was to be into the construction industry. That has been the overarching goal. What better way to get into the construction industry is by cleaning the construction trailers. I mean, because that's where all the decision makers are. That's where all the action happens. And so I started cleaning trailers. Then I developed relationships and then they had me do an final clean, post-construction clean. Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money making conversations, masterclass.

17:45Now I need for you to do me a favor. Right now, you'll follow or subscribe to money making conversation. It's free. And you can find it on the iHard Radio app, Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Please do me that favor. Follow or subscribe, money making conversations. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Pignero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it.

18:45It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. You just remember this low taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't play anything. Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up without a doubt he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming.

19:46They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive, listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dear Hunnies, this is goodbye. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patre Mathers, and her husband Michael, nailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know that they had died by suicide. By the time you get to Schledger-Bull Petra and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Patre and Michael were by all accounts healthy, happy, and in love. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? I would have given a million reasons to not leave this world had I known. I keep coming back to a truly hope that Patre was a thousand percent on board with the plan.

20:48Do you think of him as having killed her? Yes, I do. I hold Michael responsible for my mother's death. I'm Leon Nefak. And I'm Alice Gregory. Together we set out to interview everyone who got one of Patre and Michael's letters. As one married couple, trying to understand another. Listen to death of an artist on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On big lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Richard Pryor, and we pull apart the story behind the image. And we do this by digging through the BBC's vast archive. We're talking iconic moments in broadcast history. I'm not just a boxer. I'm educating. I can talk all week on millions of subjects. And forgotten interviews that change how we see these giants of our culture. Well, if changing the system from the ground up is revolutionary, then I'm revolutionary. We're here for the messy, brilliant, the human version of our heroes. And when I go on stage, I like to dress as slutty as possible, because it makes me dance better for some reason.

21:53I'm Emmanuel Jochi. I'm Kai Wright, and this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get podcasts. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman, and this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots, like Para Olympian Alley Truett. I was like, I'm on my own. I help her in my shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very long text. Advocate Elizabeth Smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference, so I'm gonna keep going. Celebrity Chef Carla Hall was that scary to walk away from such a stable career after just two years? No, I was more afraid of being unhappy than I was broke and in a dead and job that I didn't enjoy. And feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives. We need a meeting place of our own, and if I can contribute to that, I'd like to maintain that and leave this house for that purpose.

22:59Listen to She Pivots on the iHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations, Masterclass hosted by me, Rishar McDonald. Money Making Conversations, Masterclass continues online at moneymakingconversations.com and follow Money Making Conversations, Masterclass on Facebook, X, and Instagram. And from that, that is how I was able to secure the contract for the Tampa Convention set. Congratulations. I had three shifts, three shifts with 65 employees. And then from that, I was selected by the NFL as the premium cleaning company for the Super Bowl and Tampa, Florida. They liked the job that I did so well. They called me back for the NFL kickoff. From that, I was on the news, Channel 13. I get a phone call.

23:59Somebody said, I'm calling from Hollywood Depot. I want to make your distributor. I said, I'm getting pranked at something right now. Like, how did you get my number? He said, I saw you on the news and we wanted to follow the money trail. And as a result of that, I'm a distributor from Home Depot. So now all of the clients that I clean for, now I supply them with their supplies and their paper products. Now Robin, first of all, you've been incarcerated for five years. How do you get past that? Because I'm sure that's a trust factor that people, a stereotype, your black one, drugs, incarcerated five years. How do you start getting past those negative points that stop a lot of people? I start with it. Like, I don't tip to around it. I mean, that is not a selling point. But it's nothing that I'm ashamed of either. Right. So for, for a long time, I would never use my government name because I didn't want anyone doing any type of research.

25:03But I don't care. This is who I am. Right. And it was one superintendent who told me something. He says, Robin, that's what you were or not who you are. And he said, there is nobody walking, leaving breathing that does not have a family member or have been affected by such. But you are a sterling example of what you could, what you were, what you could be an oxycut for what it was. And so again, I have no problem introducing myself as inmate 475911 because that's not who I am today. And if you want to stick to what I was when maybe we're not, we don't need to work together. And that's just how it is in your breathing days. How are you securing jobs and as RMP? They call a request for a proposal. Right. What does that look like? What did you have to submit? So it's, I start before the RFP ever comes out. So to be very frank, it's like playing chess. It's the playing checkers.

26:10When an RFP hits the streets, right. You have to maybe a mom to respond, depending on the scope of work. I don't, I don't want to, I don't wait for those opportunities. I know, first of all, I have a goal. I have a plan as to who I would like to work with in the type of work that I want to do. So I study those individuals. I understand what the forecast looks like for them. And I'm going to go ahead and develop the relationships. So when opportunities do arise, my name, Renew Constructors Services is the first one on your tone. You're going to notify me. And then I attend events and understanding again, the forecast of a house projects and again, cultivating those relationships. And that's how I am able to secure most of the contracts. But I think that something else that I learned in prison in its the art of collaboration.

27:19Because one thing I do, I do not play small. However, I understand my limitations and my strengths. So one thing that I have done is other smaller construction companies that are looking to scale. I will respond to a large RFP that would require me collaborating with smaller fellows. And so now they have an opportunity to put on their resume that they have done or was a part of a project of such magnitude. Now, when that you are you've been blessed. How do you share those blessings with the young people and the community of hell? Every time I can get the ear of a youth, I import something, some nugget. However, I the focus or the majority of the impact would be through the nonprofit, which is called Stimic Sposure.

28:24The young Stimic Sposure is a non-Azoa nonprofit whose mission is to expose black girls to unrepresented STEM careers as it relates to architecture, construction, beauty, sports. I can honestly say that after I did start my business, I had a mentor and my mentor, her name is Amic Mill, down in South Florida. She's an amazing individual. She took me around the country and exposed me to different facets of construction until I found my calling. That is the same thing that I do to others. Basically, I encourage people to bring their talents to the construction industry. So whatever it is, you're good at it. Let's see how it applies to the construction industry. And then from that, I also teach the construction trade. So is all about whether you are a third through 12th, greater or you are an adult.

29:29I'm going to inspire you one way or the other. You rose from a incarceration to getting the prisoners lifetime achievement award. Now, it wasn't about getting the contract for an NFL, the Tampa Convention Center or all your all your legacy that you created. It's about those kids that you change and those girls who you're inspiring to pursue STEM opportunities. That's what makes you special when you got the presidential award. Did you understand that? I don't think you understand that. We shot the same agency that locked me up was the same agency that gave me a presidential life time achievement award and I'm appalled on that. Don't pause. Keep speaking because there was pain and fear. There was tired to that agency. Now there was celebration and hope.

30:29There was tired to that same agency. That's why I don't have to pause because I know when you go out the front door, sometimes go out that back door and say house. Absolutely. That's why I want to interview you because see, we all got these stories out here because your story is going to your movie. I'm just letting you know that. Don't know moving that because you because you were combative and jailed at the you know, you didn't get along with nobody. It put you in confinement all the time. That means that you didn't talk nobody couldn't about tell you nothing. You were just robbing on headed nonsense. That's what you were. But somebody saw some menu. Put you on that third shift and the rest is history. So what's the future for Robert? Well, remember I told you in the beginning the whole the overarching goal was to be a contractor and you know start my construction company.

31:31And I am glad to say that 2019 is when actually we started the construction company and I always knew what it was going to be. So I named it as such renew construction services. We are licensed rule first. We are licensed contractors and architectural designers. And now I can pause now. Pause and now because you know you got that little smirk. Well, I'm a tease of I wish I was like, it's the only view I would remember. I wish I was last like you are five. And because you're just so calm about it. But you know the hard work been put in place. Where will you celebrate Robin or you're not at the finish line yet. Well, I celebrate all the time. I celebrate my little wins, but I'm going to tell you which one it had the most impact. Okay. When I was able to put my bills on auto pay. Yes. Let me know that I was doing some.

32:31Which is very smart by the way. And you know, it's it's a piece of peace. He's like, I don't have to even think about my bills. Like that gives me space to think about other creative things that I need to do. But that was again something that I struggled with. You know, Robin called a pay Peter not knowing how I was going to. But to now know that I can financially sustain myself not have to worry. But I think that's a good foundation. Can we tell everybody how they can find your foundation? Still exposure. W. W. Die. STEM STM X. P. O. S. U. R. E. dot org. Cool. Now, what about your business? If you were to go down and see this great business and learn more about you. That would be W. W. D. Renew construction services dot com.

33:34Would that be renew or EW or you? Are any W. There you go. My friend. I know. You recommended to come on my show. I've never had a guest like you on my show, which is always a new experience for me, which is good for me. I'm going to be happy to be able to do this. I'm going to be happy to be able to do this. Because there's so many paths in life that people deal with to be successful or to achieve happiness. I'm saying both happiness and success. And more importantly, to be recognized for a lifetime achievement award for this work that you do it in the community. And how you turned your life around and became becoming an expan hiring individual. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening to this episode. Now I need for you to do me a favor. Right now, you'll follow or subscribe to money making conversation. It's free. And you can find it on the iHart Radio app.

34:34Spotify Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do me that favor. Follow or subscribe. Money making conversations. Keep winning. Hi, I'm Michael and Perry Oli. I want to tell you about my new podcast Underground Zero. We're looking at the opportunity of a lifetime for us and the other families. It's about the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks. What's in the tunnels? Go bar, shove a engage. It'll be worth half a billion. Starring Steve Sharipa, Ray Abruzzo, and me, Michael and Perry Oli. How far you prepared to go? Depends how far you are. Listen to Underground Zero on the iHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome aboard season six of the Girlfriends. Flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch. But you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is.

35:36It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to the Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the iHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Little Richard. And we pull apart the story behind the image, discovering forgotten interviews that change exactly how we see these giants of our culture. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. I'm your Michael Jochi. I'm Kai Wright. And this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patreon Mathers, and her husband Michael, mailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know they had died by suicide.

36:40Dear Hunnies, this is goodbye. By the time you get the shalliter of both petr and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? Listen to death of an artist on the iHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, Here's the Thing. I talk to actor, Stephen Root. I'm a people watcher. You see that guy going down the drain though? Yeah, I can use that. And open igloo co-founder, Alia Muhammad. I love staying on top of what is going on in our city, what is on renters minds. And taking all of that knowledge to build a platform, that hopefully is going to make New York City better in the long run. Listen to Here's the Thing on the iHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.