Perseverance | "Half of What Separates A Successful Entrepreneur from the Non Successful Ones Is Pure Perseverance. Most People Give Up. It's An 18 Hrs a Day Job 7 Days Per Week for a While." - Steve Jobs

A lot of people come to me and say, well, I want to be an entrepreneur and I go, that's

great.

What's your idea?

And they go, well, I don't have one yet.

And I say, well, I think you should go get a job as a bus boy or something to find something

you're really passionate about because it's a lot of work.

And I'm convinced that about half of what separates the successful entrepreneurs from

the non-successful ones is pure perseverance.

It is so hard.

You pour so much of your life into this thing.

There are such rough moments in time that most people give up.

I don't blame them.

It's really tough.

And it consumes your life.

I mean, if you've got a family and you're in the early days of a company, I can't imagine

how one could do it.

I'm sure it's been done, but it's rough.

I mean, because it's a pretty much, you know, an 18-hour day job, seven days a week

for a while.

Success is not about talent.

It's not about luck.

It's not about having the right connections or being born into the right family.

This is about developing the discipline to do what needs to be done when it needs to

be done, whether you feel like it or not.

Every single person who has achieved something significant in their life had to push themselves

beyond their comfort zone.

They had to do things that scared them.

They had to take action when they didn't feel ready.

They had to persist when everything inside them wanted to quit.

The difference between successful people and unsuccessful people is not that successful

people don't feel fear, doubt or resistance.

The difference is that they push through it anyway.

They understand that growth and comfort cannot coexist.

They know that if you want something you've never had, you must be willing to do something

you've never done.

If you consistently choose the easy path, your life will be difficult.

If you consistently choose the difficult path, your life will be easy.

That's one of the great paradoxes of life, and it's something that most people never figure

out.

When I say push yourself, I'm not talking about driving yourself into the ground.

I'm not talking about working yourself to exhaustion or ignoring your health and relationships.

I'm talking about something much more profound.

I'm talking about developing the mental discipline to do what you know you should do, even

when you don't feel like doing it.

You see, we all have two voices inside our heads.

One voice says you can do it.

You have what it takes.

Go for it.

The other voice says it's too hard.

You're not ready.

What if you fail?

The voice you listen to will determine the quality of your life.

The voice you feed will grow stronger.

The voice you starve will grow weaker.

Successful people have learned to feed the right voice.

They've learned to push past the voice of doubt and fear.

They've developed what I call the discipline of doing.

They do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done, whether they feel like it or

not.

And here's the amazing thing, the more you practice this discipline, the easier it becomes.

Hello, this is Robert Keele-Sake.

And this is a cash flow quadrant, it's book number two in the Rich Dad series.

East tends for employee, East tends for self-employed, small business entrepreneur, or a specialist

like a doctor, a lawyer, computer program, and things like this.

And East tends for big business, 500 employees or more.

And East tends for inside investor, there's a very big difference.

Insiders are different than these guys here.

So most East and Estes, they have pension plans when they invest in invest in stocks,

bonds, mutual funds, and ETFs, they're outside investments.

And inside investors, the guy putting the deal together.

So those are the major differences in the big picture, but also there's a mindset and

a skill set difference.

This came from book number three, and it's called Rich Dad's Guy to Investing.

And what this is called here is the BI Triangle.

In other words, this is what big business and eyes need to know.

And so it starts here, you have mission team leadership, most important is mission.

What makes it hard for most people to transition from here to here is they're trained to be one of these.

They're not trained to be the whole thing here.

But play Clark, man.

He is one character, that's a good word for him character.

Yeah, that is it.

Good, driven, smart, and I'm never a guy who was so hyper all the time.

He's doing so much good.

And then I met his mother and she just says, she just lets him be Clay Clark.

I mean, so he's endorsed by his mother.

And he's doing magnificent work.

So it was a great meeting you out there and all the people that he surrounds and stuff with.

His Clay Clark starts his day, he's had five o'clock in the morning.

Oh, it's incredible.

Yeah, he's like, he's a machine, he's a machine.

But I had problems with my company starting at nine o'clock.

Yes, hundreds of people are showing up at five a.m. in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Man, he's a leader of a leader.

He's a fantastic man.

No, he is.

He is.

It could be anywhere doing a lot of different things, but you chose to be here.

Some shows don't need a celebrity in the right here to introduce the show.

But this show does.

In a world filled with endless opportunities.

Why would two men who have built 13 more time, million dollar businesses?

Outroistically, invest five hours per day to teach you the best practice business systems.

And moves that you can use because they believe in you and they have a lot of time in their

hands.

This started from the bottom.

Now they're here.

It's the strive time show starring the former US small business administrations entrepreneur

of the year, Clay Clark and the entrepreneur trapped inside an optometrist body.

Dr. Robert Zunder, two men, eight kids co-created by two

different women.

13 more time, million dollar businesses.

We started from the bottom, we started from the bottom, we started from the bottom, we

started from the bottom.

And now we're at the top, teaching with the systems to give what we got, coat and dixies

on the hooks.

I break down the books, seeds bring in some wisdom and the good roots as a father of

five.

So I'm a liar, so if you see my wife and kids, please tell them how it's to see and see

upon your right to go.

And now three, two, one, here we go.

We started from the bottom, we started from the bottom, so you had to get here, started

from the bottom, we started from the bottom, we, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Thrive nation on today's show is a very special occasion because the man who wrote this

book and many other books, the rich dad guy to investing, rich dad, poor dad, the cash

flow quadrant, the man who wrote these books, the man who teamed up with Donald J. Trump

throughout a book about, to write a book about why he wanted you to become rich.

This man has decided to lower his standards yet again and to join us on the Thrive Time

Show.

The man who changed my life, the best selling author, I think the best selling entrepreneur

author of my lifetime, I think he sold over 70 million copies, Robert Kiyosaki, welcome

onto the Thrive Time Show.

How are you, sir?

Well, my honor, my honor to be on your show and thank you for all you do.

I hear the ripple effects from you are good ripple effects, you know what I mean?

People rave about what they learned from you, so congratulations.

Well, thank you, brother.

And Eric Trump told me to tell you, hello, he's excited to see you in person here for

our in-person workshop coming up March 6th and 7th.

And so I wanted to talk to you, if we can go back to the very beginning, rumor has it

that the first copy of your book, Rich Dad Poor Dad, when you self-published it, was

purchased by a man at a car wash.

Could you share with us that story because people know you as this megawatt, best selling

author investor, but can you tell us how and or why you sold your first copy of your book

at a car wash?

Well, it's kind of a long stride, I'll do it best I can.

As you know, capitalism is not taught in our school system.

So a lot of our academic intellectual types, not to get political, are more left-leaning

or anti-capitalists.

So when I wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad, I submitted it to all the booksellers and five of them

actually sent something like this on the rejection notice.

When it comes to money, you don't know what you're talking about.

And so I was kind of, you know, Clay, you're an entrepreneur, I'm an entrepreneur.

And as they say in stoic, the obstacle is the way.

And so if you let these pinheads get in your way, you're in trouble.

So I called my one of my best friends up and I said, hey, you want a car wash, I want

to sell my books at a thousand copies, self-published.

He says, we don't sell books in car washes, I said, God, what a great idea.

You know, you've been the only book for sale in a car wash.

And so the guy that picked it up was an orthopedic surgeon.

And he read the book, he went, oh my God, but he was awesome with Amway.

So he sent it up, uplining it to Dallas.

This was Austin, to Dallas.

And this guy Bill Galvin calls some Dallas with a little Southern drug, a great book.

And I said, well, thank you, thank you.

How many copies you get?

God, I said, I got 1,000 minus 12, you know, because I had 12 in the car wash.

He says, yeah, I bought them all.

I said, I'll take the rest of them.

I went, well, who are you?

He says, my name is Bill Galvin.

I'm a diamond for Amway.

And that's how rich dead poor dad got started from a car wash for the network market

industry, which Donald Trump and I both endorse because it's a force of capitalism.

And the book took off from there.

So without Amway, I'd be in trouble.

Do you know two friends?

Do you know friends?

Now Robert, I got to ask you this real quick here, you know, your book was centered around

this thing called the cash flow quadrant.

And for anybody who hasn't researched this or hasn't Googled this or haven't, hasn't

discovered this, it's the, it's the migration or the path of an entrepreneur where you

start off as being an employee, that's step one.

Then if you do that well, you get promoted to being self-employed, you own your own job.

And then if you do that really well, you get to become a business owner, which is what

Dr. Zelner is today, and then you get to become an investor.

Can you walk us through the cash flow quadrant and then Dr. Zelner has a follow up question

for you?

Well, as ESBI, he can always tell an employee by their words, you know, I'm not really

religious, but the Bible says the word becomes flesh.

So employees always say the same words, I want to say if you cure job with benefits.

And an S, a small business person says, if you want to done right, do it by yourself.

And then the B, entrepreneur says, I'm looking for the best team.

They want a team behind them.

And the I is an investor, but it's an insider investor.

And people say, well, insider investment is illegal.

I said, no, it's just how close to the inside are you?

So when I invest, I don't own any stocks or bonds and mutual funds because that's for

outside investors, I want to be part of the deal.

So my goal, you can see back here is my cash flow board game.

My goal was to take three companies, public on Toronto stock exchange, New York stock exchange

and NASDAQ.

So I got Toronto and New York stock exchange public, and I'm going to take my NASDAQ company

public this summer.

Wow.

Lots of different, if you want to me.

Now, Dr. Zilner, you grew up, you were washing dishes at Chiquita, O'Brien's.

Yes, sir.

And then you built $80 an hour, $1.80 an hour, and you know, you built the largest auto auction

in the state of Oklahoma, you basically took over a bank that wasn't doing so well and

you rebranded it as bank regent or regent bank, you built a super successful optometry

clinic.

I mean, you built a lot of companies.

Sir, what question would you have for Robert Akiasaki here about the whole cash flow

process?

Well, Mr. K, I'm going to be special K because he's special.

So tell me about your personal journey on writing.

Tell me about, I mean, you, you, you've got this baby inside of you and you want a birth

that how did you go about it?

And what was your, what was your secret sauce on getting the, getting the words out of

your brain onto the paper?

Because a lot of people out there are like, man, I got a great idea.

I want to write a book, but where do I get started?

Well, it comes to, I was on the US Marine, I went to military school also.

And the first word we're taught at the military academy is the word mission.

And the Marines are taught the mission.

And so we all have a mission is spiritual.

So the irony of it is I flanked out of high school twice because I can't write.

Oh, my God.

Even better.

There's nothing I couldn't write to teach you did not like what I wrote.

That makes sense.

I mean, what censorship basically in schools.

And I, one of the comments I made is, when am I going to study money at school?

And her comment was, the love of money is a root of all of you.

Oh, yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

So as an entrepreneur, you're always running up again, somebody else's bias, should I say,

which is a free country.

They're entitled to their point of view.

But she didn't want me expressing anything about money because the love of money,

was evil.

I'm going to cheese.

So that's, that's how it started.

I said, look, now I have an adversary called the school system.

Now, Robert, I got to ask you this.

You know, the cash flow quadrant was the, obviously in your book.

I mean, Rich Dad guy to investing.

I've, I've kind of desecrated this.

Thank you for reading it.

I can't believe that you do it worse than I do.

Well, if I am, I'm proud of you.

Thank you.

Oh, man, you should see that.

I mean, every book that you've written, I highlight this.

I've got posted notes.

People are saying, what did you do to that book?

But the cash flow quadrant is a big part of your, of your curriculum and of your teaching.

Tell us about the board game, because I don't think a lot of people know about the board

game.

I think people know about the book, Rich Dad, board app.

I think a lot of people don't know about the cash flow board game.

Walk, walk us through the board game.

That's a very good, thank you for saying that.

We have four basic intelligences, mental, emotional, spiritual, physical, mental, emotional

, physical, spiritual.

So if you want to learn to play golf, you know, you'd have to have a golf club, ironically.

But what we do at school is sit there and they just teach your brain mental.

And entrepreneurship, as you know, requires mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.

So the game incorporates all of that, your four intelligences.

The middle part of the game is the rat race, and the rat race is where our school sends

you to.

The job, and live in the rat race.

And the purpose of the game was to expand your context, you know, how big a world can

you see onto the fast track.

Like I said, you know, once I understood money, I said, I need to achieve better, bigger

goals.

So you got to learn to walk before you run.

And that's why my goal was to take companies public, that's what entrepreneurs do.

So I took my first company public on Toronto.

It was a Chinese goal mine in China.

And as soon as we struck a goal, the Chinese said, thank you very much.

So, Chinese food anymore, the second goal mine took public was on New York Stock Exchange.

And that goal mine was in, it's a new top, pretty close to Provo.

And the third mine I'm going to take public is a kind of environmental, not an anti-environmental

list, but it's carbon credits, you know, we could pay to sell carbon credits.

So that, oh, I list on Aztecs, it's just goals.

So the purpose of the game was to take what you knew and expand possibility.

That's always designed to do.

Robert, I want to go back to my 18-year-old mind, and I want to share with you an unfortunate

but true story.

Dr. Robert Zelner was my wife's first boss.

So the first full-time job my wife had, my wife's 18 years old, we were dating.

Dr. Robert Zelner runs the optometry clinic and she's my wife's first boss.

At the time, I had earrings in both ears.

You were, I was just like a rapper, but I wasn't a rapper.

And I was building it.

I was trying to build a disc jockey entertainment company, not knowing what I was doing.

What did she see in you?

I still don't know.

I don't know.

And I do know that it was a situation where I kept trying to pick your brain and you kept

trying to avoid me and your lobby.

And that was a real thing that happened.

And so I remember, I finally Robert Kiyosaki, I finally tricked Dr. Zelner into letting

me meet him for lunch.

And during lunch, I said, and there's things that you might have not even remembered that

you told me, but I said, Dr. Zelner, I said, hey, I'm not getting any customers.

If you were me, what would you do?

I asked and you were saying, well, you should probably advertise.

And I remember thinking, how can I afford that?

And then you said, well, why don't you just get two or three jobs?

And you told me about working at Chiquita O'Brien's.

Anyway, long story short, I got a job at Applebee's Target and Direct TV.

And that was that tough love mentorship that I needed.

I needed to be told, hey, you're not a rapper.

Stop dressing like one.

Get three jobs.

Show up on time.

Write things down.

Get serious.

It was almost like a military baptism by fire sort of thing.

I needed that.

Robert, what would you say to somebody who's watching this show that's under the age of 30?

And they're just kind of drifting along.

They want to achieve super success.

Where are these young folks getting stuck?

What advice would you have for an entrepreneur out there, plumber, doctor, dentist?

Somebody who's got a business, but it's just not growing.

They're not gaining traction.

What would you say to them, sir?

You need a Robert Zelner.

There you go.

Mr. internship.

Yes.

Sure, Rich Dad Porton is very similar.

My poor dad was a PhD, you know, poor helpless and desperate.

And my rich dad was my best friend's father.

And both men kicked my butt.

I mean, they were tough guys.

They were a good man.

Very straight for an honest man.

I'll tell you a quick story is I want to open a restaurant.

So my rich dad said, okay, get a job running a bar.

I said, why?

He says, do as I tell you.

So I got a job.

I was still in the Marine Corps.

I was stationed in Hawaii.

I got a job running a bar.

And I said, what the hell am I doing here?

And he had me measure the poor counts.

My rich dad was, I said, what do you mean?

He says, your bartender's Robin, you blind.

What?

Your help, Robin, you blind.

And he says, you're so effing stupid.

You'll help stealing everything from me

because you're effing stupid.

Wake up.

I went, and so Robert Zeller, I mean, that's tough love.

He says, you better figure out how they steal from you

or as you're not going to make it.

And so that's the kind of lessons that our real life

versus, you know, what's the stochastic average of this

and all that stuff.

I have to figure out how my friends was stealing from me.

No, Dr. Z, what follow-up question would you have

for Robert Kisaki, sir?

Well, I tell you what, what's next?

What's next for you?

I'm taking on Marxism.

This woke stuff has got to go.

It's got to go.

It's really good.

And how does that look?

How does taking on Marxism look to you?

Because I'm like, we fight back with capitalism.

That's why, you know, the Eric Trump and Don Junior,

you look at those two young men, I hunt with them

and go over the world with them.

They're the finest young men.

They're like they're dead.

So like father, like son.

So I was in Hawaii with Don and Eric Trump

and we go into this restaurant

and those boys go into the back of the restaurant

and they shake hands with all the help.

They did that everywhere I went.

They're the classic young men.

So like father, like son.

And then you got Hunter Biden who's a criminal like his father.

Yeah.

So it's, unless we stand up and say enough of this,

enough of this, you know, the whole military went woke

and they're talking about diversity and equity

and all this stuff.

And then we're all one unit.

No, no, no, no.

Some of you are black, some of you are white.

I was US Marine, you know, we're all Marines.

Right.

And Marines stay together.

That's what we have to teach our kids.

Now Robert, I want to ask you this, you know,

with your career, you actually decided at one point

to sit down with Donald J. Trump

and you wrote a book called Why We Want You To Be Rich.

That was the book.

You also wrote a book called The Midas Touch.

Both books are epic, they're life changing

and my opinion everybody should read them.

Let's talk about that for a second though

because we have a guy that just walked in our studio.

I promise when I edit this,

you'll be able to see these mystery voices

but we have a guy in our office right now, Steve Carrington

and he's a very successful mortgage banker

and Steve, I think if you wrote a book,

it might be called Why You Want To Be.

Why Steve wants to become rich.

But Robert, you wrote a book about why you want other people

to become rich.

So tell us about that book.

What inspired you to write that book?

Well, Donald and I met in Greenrose.

You know, we would be, we share this.

We're doing this huge real estate investment things

like a Javits Center.

We traveled to Australia together in San Francisco.

And I got to know the guy very, very well.

And the man is a character, he is funny as hell.

And what he has got a big heart.

And we started talking about the gap

between the rich and the poor.

And as you know, for Marxism or Communism,

the thing that sparks revolution

is the gap between rich and poor.

So that's when Donald and I said,

well, what can we do to influence the world,

to teach people to be capitalist versus poor people?

You know, that the idea of go to school to get a job.

And you look at unemployment right now

is going to go through the roof with AI coming in.

So we have a very serious problem.

And then the my generation, the boomer generation,

we don't have enough to retire on.

And the biggest problem I see that we all know about

is the national debt of 30 to 36 trillion.

We're adding a trillion dollars every 100 days.

The interest of our debt is greater

than our national defense budget.

And I'm military is teaching people about gender equality.

Something is wrong in this country.

So that's what we fight about.

We fight against education to be capitalist and entrepreneurs.

Most importantly, we can teach.

Robert, one of the things that you said

on multiple interviews multiple times,

every time you said it, I thought to myself,

have I not been paying attention

because it felt like new information to me,

the first time I heard it,

which is probably the 50th time I'd heard it,

you said, Octa nonverba.

And maybe the first time you said it,

I was driving, listen to the podcast while driving.

And maybe I was half paying attention,

but I octa nonverba.

And then it was like an angelic moment for me.

And I octa nonverba.

And once I finally understood what it meant

and what you were saying and how it could be used,

I think it's life changing for me

and how I approach business.

Could you explain Octa nonverba?

What it means and how our listeners can apply it?

Clay, you gave me goosebumps man.

I'm glad to hit you as hard as it did.

Octa nonverba is the model

of the US Merchant Marine Academy at King's Point, New York.

I had appointments to Naval Academy

King's Point Merchant Marine Academy.

And Merchant Marine Academy's model was Octa nonverba.

In other words, don't listen to what a person says,

watch what they do.

So you can tell a person whether the capitals

are communist by their actions.

So here's Trump, he puts the wall up,

Biden took the wall down.

Do you know what I mean?

Octa nonverba.

That man is a traitor.

I mean, opening the wall up

and then all this DEI stuff, I'm going,

they're trying to kill our country

by weakening our military.

Our national debt, like I said,

is more than what we spend on the military.

And then we have all of these people

we're putting up and, you know,

we're housing our immigrants in the best hotels.

That's all Marxism.

What are you doing?

Not what you're saying.

So I just listened to that stuff

and I can tell a person's at

by what they're doing, not get distracted by their words.

That's the most I watch when a person's actions are,

not what they say.

Now, I'm going to tee this up for Dr. Zelner,

but this was something big.

Dr. Z, when you guys bought the bank of Noata,

then you guys rebranded it as bank regent.

I think you were the chairman of the board.

Was that your official title?

No, I was on the board.

I was a chairman.

Sean Copeland was chairman.

Okay, so Sean Copeland was a chairman.

And I remember I met,

I went out to lunch with Sean Copeland

at Cedar Ridge Country Club.

And I was asking Sean, I said,

Sean, and this was before he bought the bank,

but he was at, he was at Grand Bank

and was thinking about buying the bank with you.

And I said, what should I do with my money?

And he said, what do you mean?

I said, you know, with my disc jockey company,

DJConnection.com,

we're doing about 4,000 events a year.

So we're spitting out about 150 to 175 dollars

of profit per event.

There's 4,000 events.

What should I do with the cash?

And he said, well, I'd take a quarter of your wealth

and buy gold and silver.

And I'm going, what?

At the time, it was $400 an ounce.

We're talking 2005-ish.

And well, now it's $2,700 an ounce.

And I said, Sean, you own a bank.

And he said, well, actually I work in a bank.

I don't own a bank, it's a bank that I work for.

But I'm just telling you,

you take a quarter of your wealth by gold and silver,

take a quarter of it and buy real estate

from emotional people.

And I said, emotional people, and he's funny guy,

but he was, you know, like when people close

or burning in the lawn, that's a good sign.

Yeah, it'll grass as the grass is overgrown.

And he said, you'll just do that.

Then you'll be fine.

And I said, what should I do with the other half of my cash?

He said, well, keep it on hand for a new business plan.

And it's a time I thought, I'm never

going to have a new business idea

because DJConnection.com at that time in my life

had defined every waking hour of my life

from age 15 to age 25.

That's all I thought about was growing that company.

And so I remember, I told my young wife,

we've been married about five years.

She said, I'm going to buy an ounce of gold.

Basically every time that we have $400,

I'm going to buy an ounce of gold.

And we're just going to keep doing that

with a quarter of our money.

And so I think my wife thought I lost my mind.

I thought I lost my mind.

But it was that octave verba moment where I started doing it.

I started buying the gold.

Now it's $1,700 an ounce.

So I want to ask you Z, this question.

When you and Sean were talking about buying the bank,

how did that conversation go?

And when did you recognize it was octanon verba time?

It's not time to talk about buying a bank.

But let's go buy a bank.

What did that moment happen?

Well, I was speaking at a conference.

And when you're done speaking at a conference,

people come up to you and they give their business cards

and they shake your hand when I want to meet you.

And so Sean came up to me and said, hey, I, where do you bank?

And I told him, he said, well, I'm a banker over it.

I think it was grand bank, as you said.

He said, why don't you, let me take you to lunch.

I said, I'm not interested in switching banks

unless I owned a part of it.

And he looked at me and we locked eyes.

And we had that moment.

And I said, how about you and I getting a bank together?

What do you think?

And he said, oh my, I signed up for war

for this conference that I thought.

Absolutely.

Let's go find a bank and do this together.

And you did.

And we did.

And we got other investors and we had a model

and we did it and now it's successful.

But you would buy it and then we had the big downturn

of the 2008 downturn.

You signed it perfectly.

Oh, we signed it perfectly.

Yes, we were out counting cows in pasture because.

Well, I want to give this backdrop to Robert Kiyosaki

because Robert, you know, you obviously,

people know you as a man who's had massive success now.

But when did you decide to be the gold buyer guy?

Like when did you decide to, you know,

not just think about it and study it

and look into the collapse of the dollar?

When did you decide, hey, you know what?

I'm actually going to start buying gold.

When did that happen for you, Robert?

Well, the first time I was silver,

this year is the last silver coin to Kennedy half dollar, 1964.

And so it's 65 and said it was copper.

And that was Crescendo's law.

Crescendo's law says when bad money interests system,

good money goes to hiding.

So I started saving silver.

And then when I was in Vietnam,

I was flying off a carrier

and my rich dad sent me a letter says,

hey, watch out.

Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard.

So this here is a little, this is the gunship

I flew in Vietnam, the most feared weapon

by the Viet Cong, you know, we've come rolling in.

And so my co-pilot and I said,

what does that mean, gold standard?

And I said, well, maybe we should go buy some gold.

And it goes gold was like 35 was now at 50.

So we're on this carrier off of China.

We're looking to map of Vietnam.

We see this pick and shovel, A.U.

I said, oh, it's a gold mine.

You know, so we fly behind.

The shovel was dying and ending the lines.

The NVA had all I run it over.

And my brain's on the brightest guys in the box.

I said, well, if we get in there quick,

we might be able to buy some gold at a discount.

Like two idiots with a crew chief.

We flew in behind enemy lines.

We land next to this village.

We disarm.

We walk into the village as bamboo.

You can still see that crystal clear.

And we have our hands up.

It says, we come as capillaries.

We're not Marines.

We're just here to buy gold.

So we go into the village.

They point us to the gold seller, a little woman.

And she said, little bamboo, a shack, and I said,

we're looking at this gold nuggets.

This is 1972.

And I looked at my copilot at me.

And you realize, Clay, he was illegal to own gold

for Americans at that time.

We didn't know what gold.

So we stood there looking at it like idiots.

And then also he was yelling and screaming.

So we knew the NVA was coming south.

And we're going to be POWs if we didn't get out of there.

So I'm yelling at him.

And he's yelling at me.

Our partnership has dissolved.

He's stupid, son of a bitch.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I still remember coming through the village

and his duck got in my way.

I dropped chick the duck and then pissed off the peasants

out there and get to my helicopter.

And the reason my crew chief was screaming,

my helicopter was sinking.

I parked it on a rice paddy.

So Marines are not the brightest guys on earth.

But my helicopter is sinking like this back into the mud.

And I got to watch off of that tail rotor.

So I put my little crew chief in the driver's seat.

And so the two pilots get behind by that tail rotor

and we're holding it up.

Wow.

And the guy starts the engine and mud flew everywhere.

So we're now covered in mud.

But we got the thing out.

We climbed in and we got back to the ship.

My commanding officer says, where are the hell have you guys been?

I was just covered in mud, was it?

Don't ask.

Don't ask.

Now Robert, that's how I became a gold bug.

And I went to Hong Kong and I bought my first crawl crew around 50 bucks.

I still have it today.

It's in starvation, Switzerland.

Now sir, I have a couple rapid fire questions for you about gold.

And I want to go to Steve Carrington, the mortgage guru.

So you can ask you a question here.

On the gold thing, before we get into the deep dive in the gold,

you had a lot of missions in that helicopter, in those helicopters.

And one thing I try to do on this show and I don't know that I do a good job

is I try to be at least self-aware or self-deprecating

because I know people look at the success of Dr. Zelner and they go,

I could never do that.

But I think it's important to talk about the dish washing phase.

I think it's important for people to know the Jack Assyria that I went through.

And if you're okay, sir, I'd like to keep this story private between you,

me and our listeners.

I believe that you might have got yourself in some trouble

while you were in the Marines.

Are you willing to share about that a little bit there, sir?

And if not, we can punt and move on to another question.

Talk about me.

Yes, sir.

I'm actually proud of it.

I was quite emotional twice.

And I'm in a Academy graduate.

But the problem was, like most men, it's a woman who got me in trouble.

Always, always.

So I wasn't Hawaii.

We came back from Vietnam, got stationed in Hawaii.

And we had shaved heads and those are the days of the hippies.

So we had we're having trouble with dates and Waikiki.

So my friend and I said, let's give,

offer helicopter rides to the cutest girls.

And so we're a flying women in our helicopter.

Drunk as skunks, having a great time flying around.

And when they caught us, when they shut me down,

they opened up my Hussain Kaniyoi Marine Corps Air Station,

they opened the door of my helicopter,

the first thing that fell out were beer cans.

The second that fell out was me.

Then they find women's underwear in the back in scuba gear.

You can't take scuba gear up in the air.

So for some reason, I went to jail.

I was the first to raise it.

It was the best thing that ever happened to me

because I sat there at the, I had to look at myself.

You know, what the hell, what was I trying to do?

And so I went, I got, this guy at Captain Abrams

was the prosecutor.

I go into court.

I said, I found, I started telling the truth.

It's about time.

So I said, you tell the whole truth of the book.

And I said, hey, this, sir, this is telling me.

I told him everything.

I told him stuff.

He didn't even know.

At the end of it, Captain Abrams is, you're free.

I said, what?

I said, how much time am I going to do?

He says, you're free.

And he says, you're getting an honorable discharge.

Clay, I was broke down and cried.

That's saying the truth is so set you free.

I wasn't hiding anymore.

But it was the best lesson.

It was kind of the reward for being such a bad boy

was to understand the meaning of truth.

Wow.

And that changed my life.

Like, I never cheated on my wife.

I don't do those things.

I don't cheat on taxes.

I don't cheat.

Do you know what I mean?

I'd rather just play by the rules now.

But I needed to go have my ass almost put in jail.

Now, sir, can you hold up that helicopter again?

Can you tell us what's the, the makin' model of the helicopter

that you were flying while intoxicated?

This is like, wait one, e.

And it's very underpowered.

But it was, that's a, those are rocket pods and machine guns.

And it was the most feared weapon by the Viet Com.

That's called the Woolsey.

Yeah, I could fly right into their houses and shoot them.

Wow.

Now, Steve, you are, you've been sober for how long now, Steve?

2016.

Since 2016, and Steve, he has a wonderful mortgage company

called SteveKerrington.com.

He's kind of known as the guy in Tulsa, Oklahoma

that's always driving Lamborghinis and flying around

in his plane from point A to point B.

And so I thought since we're talking about sobriety

and flying in aircraft, this would be a good segue

for you, Steve.

So what question would you have?

I know you, I know Roberts books have changed your life.

So what question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki?

Well, I know you're big on buying gold,

but what else do you buy?

Do you buy S&P 500?

Are you diversified another stuff?

What other things do you recommend

that someone might buy if they're, if they're already buying gold,

what are some other things that you buy?

You know, stock tips here, Robert.

I don't, I have stocks, but they're my company.

Like they cut my company to a public.

So I don't buy other people's shares.

I'm a selling shareholder, not a buying shareholder.

That's the fast track out there.

That's the purpose of the game is pushing mine up there.

So I don't do S&P 500 at all.

My, my full, and that thing is right or wrong,

but I like real estate because I'm using 100% debt financing.

Because after 1971,

when Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard,

the US dollar became debt or US treasuries.

And my concern right now is the bond market's gonna crash

because the Chinese are dumping our bonds.

But I buy real estate on 100% debt.

So let's say I have a visa real estate

throwing off 25 bucks a month.

That's an infinite return because I have no money in it.

Now I studied real estate for most of my life.

My rich dad started me teaching real estate playing monopoly.

You know, four greenhouses, 1031 texted for an exchange,

red hotel.

So if you go to Wakey-Key Beach today,

you'll find the highest reasons

you'll tell Ryan Wakey-Key Beach.

That was my rich dad's hotel.

And he was teaching me how to acquire real estate for nothing.

So that's why you need a Dr. Zell for the teacher, teacher.

Yeah, you got to have teachers.

Now, Dr. Zell, I want to ask you this question here.

You know, you, the building you're in,

for anybody who wants to Google it,

they can type in Dr. Robert Zellner and Associates

and they can find your optometry clinic.

You're located next to Oklahoma's most prominent mall.

You have a beautiful location.

They just renovated the mall

with a Shields Sports Center there.

It's amazing.

And you've owned that thing for years,

but could you share the listers out there?

How you acquired the property?

Because my understanding is you were told it's not for sale

or it's not easy to buy or it's,

and I think somebody out there needs to understand

the maybe abbreviated version of what you went through

to buy that property, which you still own today.

Yeah, it was a third of an acre

and the guy was going to build a burger time,

went through a divorce and had a contract on it,

had a backup contract on it,

and I wanted that property.

And the real estate agent said,

well, there's two, there's already two contracts in play.

And I said, I don't care, I'm going to do a third one.

So we did.

And then the first one fell through,

and then the second one was getting ready to fall through.

It was going to be a jiffy lube,

and they had to get everybody around there

in the PUD to sign off on it in order to do automotive.

And so I called the ex-wife down in Dallas,

and I told her my story.

And I said, here's my story.

Here's who I am.

And I'd like to give you $10,000 more

and close in 30 days, she goes, okay, done, sold.

So instead of renewing that contract,

that was ahead of me,

because they could get all the signatures signed off on it,

all the big corporations signed off on it,

I was able to get that piece of property.

And I was just nice, and honest and nice,

and of course, a little extra money didn't hurt, but yeah.

But Robert, you know, Kiyosaki, sir,

you have a quote that I love.

I love this quote of yours.

There's so many quotes I love,

but this particular quote I'm going to read it,

I hope I don't mangle it.

It says, the size of your success is measured

by the strength of your desire,

the size of your dream,

and how you handle disappointment along the way.

If Dr. Zellner hadn't had a massive desire,

if he hadn't pushed through adversity,

if he hadn't broken all the rules

and made an offer after two offers were already made,

he would not have purchased that property.

Could you walk the entrepreneur through

that the young entrepreneur out there, sir,

through the mindset that you have, you know,

because Robert Kiyosaki, I mean, you've had massive success,

you continue to have massive success.

What's the mindset that you have

when you encounter adversity of some kind?

Well, first of all, let's go back to the little cliche

that's that goal, right?

And a lot of people set very small goals.

The reason there's a casual board gigging

is I want to push the brain out to what's possible in my life.

So I have different goals.

That's how it starts.

And one goal as most entrepreneurs

is you want to own a jet.

So I own a layer of 60.

But the problem was, how do I get somebody else to pay for it?

That's how every mainstream, you know?

Yeah, so that I don't need to see the back of my,

there's a Ferrari on my duck behind the balloon.

My Ferrari there is how do I get somebody else to pay for it?

So the way that I bought that Ferrari

is I bought a mini storage first

and the mini storage cash flowed

and it paid for the Ferrari.

So until you challenge your brain

and be careful who you listen to, the Dr. Zelda,

I mean, really, I'm not serious.

You know, thank you for being a coach

and same as for you, Clay.

If we don't challenge to what we think,

not that it's right or wrong, but challenge what you think.

So I'm not saying don't play the stock market,

it just wasn't my game, you know, like I played rugby,

I don't play soccer, different games.

And different team members.

So that's what it comes down to.

It's just real life.

And so I have the best team players going,

best accountants, attorneys, real estate guys,

I own YGU cattle, you know, YGU cattle

is because I sell the semen.

Sprung flow.

Yeah, I don't have to kill.

What?

That's what I said.

That's what I'm talking about.

And he got a tax rate for it.

And I mean, there's so many ways you can make money out there.

Hey, if you sell them, maybe you can buy a lot of things.

Get you a Lamborghini.

Oh, just, okay, no real quick.

Dr. Z, you are a man who decided to get involved

in the horse horse.

Nice, nice segway.

I knew you were going to segway tonight.

That's a passion of yours.

You always wanted to have a horse.

And now you have a horse that actually did well this year

and some of these professional,

can you talk to Sheriff Robert Kiyosaki

about your journey into the horse world

because that was your vision was to have on horses

and have somebody else pay for it?

Yeah, and that's exactly right.

When I was a little boy, you know,

you had two or three channels

and the only thing we could watch was like Bonanza

and Western shows.

And I thought, man, you know,

I was very poor, big, big family.

I thought, man, when he says I want to know horse ranch

because that means you made it.

And I just put that on my bucket list.

And then eventually one day I thought,

now it's time to get my horse ranch.

And I thought, what kind of horses do I want?

And I did exactly like you did, special, okay.

I said, I want the kind of horses

that somebody else pays for.

So I went and got thoroughbreds

because you know, they race, they get purse money

and the people gamble on it

and you could sell them and they're,

and so I just immersed myself into the thoroughbred

industry, didn't know anything about it.

Went to Kentucky, went to some breeding seminars

and talked a lot about semen.

And anyway, you know, the idea of trying to take two animals

to make a better animal was fascinating to me.

So I've had some success and it's been a fun journey

and I love it.

I love horses and I love my horse ranch.

And so that's kind of fun whenever you put something

as a young boy on your bucket list.

And then the day comes where you finally have it

and then you get to enjoy it.

That's, no, this is going to be special.

This is going to sound like a series

of passive aggressive compliments, but they're not.

These are positive, these are not,

these are not backhanded compliments.

Dr. Z, let's just say you're not 25 years old,

Robert Kiyosaki, let's just say you're not 25 years old.

But so many people that I see that I meet,

they say, you know, my desire, my goal,

my big vision is to vacation,

which the word vacation means to retreat from.

But the people that I have found who are the most successful,

that are the most vibrant, that are the most alive,

regardless of age, are people that seek a vocation,

which means you're calling.

So if you look at vocation, the meaning of vocation

in Latin is you're calling.

And I believe that both of you, Dr. Z and Robert Kiyosaki,

you guys are very much alive and you're exhilarated.

And probably more enthusiastic than the average 20 year old

because you have a calling that you're pursuing,

something that gets you excited every morning.

And I want to get your thoughts on this, Robert Kiyosaki,

because you are doing some big things right now.

You've got the cash flow board game going on,

but you're really, really talking about the future

of money on your podcast.

I mean, you're not, so tell us about what your,

what kinds of topics you're talking about on your podcast now,

because I'm seeing you now talk about the future of money.

You're really staying on top of bricks,

and they're attempt to unseat the US dollar

with the World Reserve currency.

Tell us about what topics you're discussing

on your podcast right now, sir.

Well, again, this, this is a 1964 was a Kennedy half dollar,

was a last silver coin.

And a 65 year turn of coin over like this, it was copper.

And then it got me curious.

And I started studying money.

And all throughout history,

every time they abhorated the money,

the empire came down.

So that's a long way of saying it.

One day I was, this is in the 80s.

I was in the seminar with Dr. Buckminster Fuller,

I created a G. Doesick Dome and all that.

And he asked me this question.

Everybody asked the only man who goes,

what's your purpose, what do you want to do?

And I said, I just want to get rich.

And he says, that's a very shallow thing.

And then Buck, he says,

the bucket fuller said to me,

he says, what does God want you to do?

What does God want you to do?

And I said, they're going, I served my country

two tours in Vietnam and all this.

Well, what was my, and it came down

to my natural interest in money,

and I don't trust my government.

You know, I went to Vietnam.

I went, we're lied to out here.

And I didn't trust them.

And I trusted our money less.

Like I said, that's when I flew this little baby here

behind Indian alliance and looked for gold.

But that, who would ever know

that my purpose was to teach people about money?

But it was a passion of mine.

Because as you know, every time they print money,

the rich get richer, but the poor middle class get poorer.

So we're printing a trillion dollars every 90 days now.

So those who own real assets,

like YGU cattle,

gold, silver, real estate,

oil, we get richer.

But what else goes up in price is food,

like chicken and eggs.

You can't afford eggs today.

So every time you print fake money,

which is what I saw back around 17 years old,

when you print fake money,

guys like us get richer.

But my friends and family get poorer

because no financial education in school.

Now, let's drill down into that for a second.

A Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa,

the Bricks nations for 16, almost 17 years.

They've been hoarding the Earth's gold,

Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

These countries are not screwing around.

They've been hoarding the Earth's gold and preparation to do what?

Well, Putin has announced a great expansion of the Bricks block.

And now you have, I'm just giving a rough average here,

but now you have the majority of the Earth's assets

are controlled by these nations

that identify with the Bricks block.

And these countries have a stated goal

of introducing a gold-backed programmable currency.

I don't think the average person knows that,

and I don't think the average person knows

that the United States enjoys an incredible privilege

as the world's reserve currency

since the Bretton Woods agreement.

I don't think people know that.

I know that because of your teaching and others,

but most people do not know that.

So could you maybe articulate or explain

Robert Kiyosaki for our listeners out there?

Why do our listeners need to know

that Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa,

those countries are hoarding the Earth's gold

and attempting to introduce a new reserve currency?

Because I think it was JP Morgan,

somebody that said gold is money,

the rest is credit or debt.

And gold is the only money there is a credit thing.

That's in his theory.

So that's why it tells us we're flying back in enemy lines.

It's Gresham's law.

We know what real money from fake money.

But my greatest concern here is this,

if we don't make changes in what we teach ourselves

and our kids, the poverty in America

is gonna go through the roof

because we're now the biggest detonation in the world.

And you know, like what they're teaching us now is DEI,

what about teaching us money?

And I don't think it's a mistake.

That's my concern.

It drives me on, it drives me on, it drives me on.

I love my country.

Two tours are about now.

But why does a school system not teach us anything

about the truth, about money?

So gold is money.

I call it God's money.

God, gold is serve our God's money

and Bitcoin is people's money.

The dollar is fake money.

And the more we fake money we produce,

which we do every day now,

the greater the poverty goes up,

inflation wipes out the middle class and poor.

But guys like me get richer,

because I own gold mines.

Now, now Robert, you know,

I wanna tie this into your relationship with Eric Trump

because you are coming to our business conference here

in March and Eric Trump speaks so highly about you.

I'm working with Eric on his new book

and saws with him two Mondays ago,

finalizing some language on the book

and Eric's putting out his first book here at an age

where he'll probably be the same age as father was

when his father put out the art of the deal.

So his father put out,

Donald J. Trump put out the art of the deal at age 41

and Eric is putting together a book at a similar age.

So it's really exciting to see him and do that.

And he speaks super highly of you.

Now Steve, we were at,

we at Eric and I've done 25 events together.

And you were stage side at one of the events

and I never know what Steve's gonna say

to people he just met.

All I know, I think you told Eric, you said,

hey, I'm the guy that drives the Lamborghini.

Is that what you said to him?

I don't know.

I don't remember exactly what I said

because I was kind of in shock.

You know, when you meet somebody like that

that obviously we have all have a lot of respect for.

Yeah.

But Laura was the icon that night.

I think everyone wants to see Laura.

Yeah, he married up.

Okay, well, I got to ask you.

So now that you have met Eric

and Robert is very good friends with the Trump family.

What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki

about working with the Trump family,

hunting with the Trump family?

What question would you have?

Well, I think the perception that a lot of us supporters

of them have is that they're just super down to earth,

normal guys, which is what I kind of got

in my quick meeting with Eric that I have.

Can you talk a little bit about that

about like your interactions with them

and what, you know, some people are just a little different

when they're on their own,

but I would imagine that they're pretty down to earth guys.

Is that accurate?

Amen, brother.

Hey, I go to this private island in Hawaii called E out.

Yeah, that's professional permission.

We fly in via helicopter.

There's no toilets, no running water, nothing.

And we go there to hunt.

And you get to know people pretty closely.

I've really got nothing and you're sleeping on the outside

where to catch our own food.

And those young boys, young men now,

there's such well, the best young men.

I think that's why we're driving to the airport

catch the helicopter on the island of Hawaii to the E out.

And Don, Junior and Eric were talking to the resistor.

She was dating some guy, I think the guy she married.

And they were giving her recipes to,

so she could cook for her future husband.

I said, I wonder what I'll touch you guys recipes

our mother, you know, and they go back,

it goes back to the mother also.

I said, our mother was wrong, a strong woman.

So anyway, it does take a family.

And I think that's what's really quite shocking is a number

of single moms raising boys today.

It's tragic, tragic.

Now, Dr. Z, you do a form of hunting.

Some might call it foe hunting, where Robert Kiyosaki,

Eric's told me that he actually has been hunting

with Robert Kiyosaki in multiple occasions,

where they're out there for multiple days.

They're in a situation where they're kind of removed

from the accoutrements of modern life.

They're sort of off the grid.

Dr. Z, can you share with Robert Kiyosaki here

about your approach to hunting?

Because I think your approach to hunting

is a little bit different.

Well, I'm more of a gentleman hunter, I guess you would say.

High fence is kind of my friend.

And, you know, they don't actually tie the animal

to the tree, but, you know, it is kind of,

almost a guaranteed hunt, wink, wink, if you know what I mean.

That's awesome.

And then we retire to the fire pit area,

where we have a cigar and maybe a tap your choice.

And real quick, this is a true story here.

Dr. Z, I've listened to an unhealthy amount

of Robert Kiyosaki's podcasts,

and I've spent an unhealthy amount of time with you.

And you two guys are so similar,

so when Robert comes to the event in Tulsa,

I'm having a, we're organizing a dinner that night

for the, a couple of the speakers.

I'm going to make sure you tie,

you two, you two, you two guys get to know each other

because you are so similar in every check box.

And you guys are both so excited about teaching success.

So I want to go back to this idea of teaching success.

There's somebody watching the show right now

and you are in a hypnotic rhythm.

Somebody watching, I'm talking to you right now.

You're in a hypnotic rhythm, where you go to work,

you go to church, you go home, I'll repeat.

You go to work, you go to church, you go home.

Again, you go to work, you go to church, you go home.

You're 37, you go to work, you go to church,

you go home, you're 52.

You go and you're somebody needs to just wake up.

There's something that has to happen.

I grew up without money in Robert Kiyosaki.

Your book was my boss, Jeremy Thorne said, Clay,

I'm a 19 year old working at Faith Highway

and Impact Productions, it's a call center.

He says, you need to read Rich Dad Poor Dad.

And I said, why?

He said, because you're going 90 miles an hour

in a circular motion, you're like a boat without a rudder,

I see the energy you're putting into it.

I'm a couple years older than you

and I really think you need to read this book

in just a discipline of knowing, okay, here's the path.

I'm gonna go from being an employee to self-employed,

to being a business owner, to being an investor.

That was so freeing for me.

And then 2005, meeting with Sean Copeland and Dr. Z

and a handful of guys who kept telling me,

just save a set percentage of your income.

And just that discipline of, take 25% of my income,

buy gold, 25% by real estate from emotional people,

that let me know there was a proven path.

What do you say to somebody right now

who's watching this Robert Kiyosaki?

And there were some reason they've been in that hypnotic rhythm,

they've been drifting, which I think is more dangerous

than going the wrong way,

because you don't know how bad it's getting.

What do you say to somebody who needs that wake-up call, sir?

Well, you've got to seek teacher.

Who are your teachers?

Like Dr. Z, you know, I would seek him out

and I sought my rich dad out.

And it came from the story of the three wise men,

not very religious, but I had to go to a Sunday school.

And my Sunday school teacher said,

why were the three wise men wise?

And I said, because you're a rich,

and she goes, what?

That's not something you're told, they're rich.

She goes, why don't you say that?

Is it one head goal, one head frankincense,

and one head mur?

That's why there are wise.

She goes, that's not it.

So I said, well, why were they wise?

She says, they were seeking the best teacher.

And that became a lesson in my life

that I have had a numerous types of rich dads

and rich women.

But I want to seek the people who are actually doing it,

not theorizing it.

So I was in the NBA program.

That was sound asleep.

And this guy was telling me stuff he'd never done before.

Did you know what I mean?

How can you teach kids when you haven't done it before?

That's like when I went to Vietnam,

I saw the, you know, like this thing here,

before I was teaching at Camp Pendleton.

And I wanted to know who was the best pilot,

the best gunship pilot.

His name was Captain Forrester.

As I was at Camp Pendleton, California.

And I sought Captain Forrester out as a Captain Forrester.

Teach me.

And he taught me stuff that don't teach you in flight school.

How to stay alive, how to fight, how to gun,

how to hit trees.

And so you always want to seek the best teacher.

And I still do the same thing today.

I still seek the best teacher.

Now Robert Kiyosaki, one thing I noticed a lot,

and Dr. Zee, I'm sure you've seen it a lot.

I meet people all the time that come into my life

and they say, you know, I've got 400,000 followers on Twitter.

And I go, well, that's incredible.

That's actually more than I have.

It's incredible. Thank you.

And they'll say, and so I don't, here's the thing.

I don't actually have any money.

And I hear that all the time to go.

I have, I want to talk.

I got a million followers on TikTok.

It happens. I mean, at every business conference I've done,

and I have spoken at business conferences for now,

20 years doing this.

And when I, people will show up and they do it all the time.

And it's becoming increasingly normal for somebody

who's a beautiful looking man or a woman,

and they'll come to me and they'll say,

I've got a 170,000 followers on the act to it.

I'm kind of a big deal on Instagram, you know,

I don't have any actual customers.

And they're constantly feeding the beast,

making videos, making viral videos about how to get rich.

And then the videos keep getting shorter

because you know, the shorts get more views, right?

So now they're doing like 14 second videos where they go,

sit up,

and they're adding music to it.

And the videos are getting dumber and shorter,

and they're getting more viral,

and they're making less money,

and they're spending more of their time

making these videos.

Robert Kiyosaki, what do you say about the world

of charlatanism that we live in?

Where all these influencers who keep making

increasingly shorter and dumber videos,

what are your thoughts on that?

Well, first of all, I think you would choose

as a tremendous educational platform or good and bad.

So you've got to really get to choose your teachers wisely

as anything else.

So the biggest best lesson that sits in the back here,

and I think you do at a doctor's aid, does it?

Once you learn something,

if you really want to learn it, you've got to teach it.

Teaching is one of the highest gifts you can give yourself,

but like when I meet people like you,

a clowns, I was at the gym yesterday,

and these young guys come up to me and say,

thank you, you changed my life.

That's the biggest juice there is.

Yeah.

When you back what you've learned, you've actually earned it then.

So I created the board game that once you learned the game,

then you can teach others.

And that's how we change the world.

Now, I'm going to have people is better than going to school.

Now, I'm going to pull this up real quick.

So our listeners can see this, the website here,

richdad.com, richdad.com.

That's where you can purchase the board game.

Sir, is there a better place you want to direct people to?

What's the best place to buy the cash flow board game?

Where can we go there, sir?

Well, it's on the rich dad website, you know, just,

I don't do that.

Somebody dollars all that stuff.

No problem.

I'm going there right now.

I'm making it.

He's I'll put a link on the show notes, richdad.com.

See, I'm clicking on the store button here.

I'm clicking, I'm pushing through Carpool Tunnel.

I'm doing it.

I'm clicking on the products button.

I'm scrolling down.

I'm pushing.

I'm pushing.

Now, I'm going to encourage everybody out there.

Carrington, this is what I'm asking.

I'm asking everybody out there that doesn't hate themselves

to go right now to richdad.com.

If you hate yourself, don't worry about it.

But if you don't hate yourself, go to richdad.com

and you'll scroll under products by a copy

of the physical game there.

Let's call it action number one.

Call it action number two.

There's this incredible podcast on YouTube

called The Rich Dad Radio Show.

I listen to this show everywhere I go.

And I find myself listening to things like Octanon Verba

and it takes me like seven times to get that concept

through my cranium.

And there's a lot of shows that are not The Rich Dad Show.

So you want to go to the official Rich Dad channel.

There's a lot of people that want to be The Rich Dad channel,

but they're not.

So you go up here to YouTube, you got to find,

I'll put a link on the show notes as well.

You need to subscribe.

Now again, see this only applies to people

that don't hate themselves.

So one by a copy of the book, two or the copy of the board game,

two, subscribe on YouTube.

Now Steve Carrington final question.

What question would you have for Robert Kiyosaki, sir?

Are you still flying?

Do you ever get up in the left seat of that Lear 60?

Or no, no, no, it's.

And as a proficiency, you lose your touch really quickly.

Yep.

So as best I stay, let somebody was flying every day.

So I sit in the back.

Now Robert Kiyosaki, I'm going to pull this up real quick.

You're going to want to listen to it to see this again here.

On Amazon, you wrote a book called The Rich Dad Poor Dad.

And most people know you because of that book.

That book is an incredible book.

I encourage everybody to buy a copy of that book.

Also you wrote The Rich Dad Guide to Investing.

I mean, that thing is so hot.

That book, I'm telling you books.

If you haven't picked up that book,

Rich Dad Guide to Investing, that book is great.

The book you wrote with Donald J. Trump,

why we want you to become rich.

I don't know if people know about these books.

I think some of our listeners do, some of them don't.

I'm telling you, if you're saying, hey, listen,

it's January and you want to get a head start

on next year's Christmas presents, pick up these books,

get a copy of the board game.

Robert Kiyosaki, I'm going to give you the final word, sir.

Final 60 seconds.

What say you, sir?

I like what Maria Montessori, you know,

she was a great educational entrepreneur.

She says what the hand does, the mind remembers.

So there is, you want to like golf,

you better pick up a golf club.

And the reason the board game is so powerful

is you have to do all four intelligence,

mental, emotional, spiritual, physical.

That's how we learn the best.

And then you go to real life.

Robert Kiyosaki, thank you so much, sir.

I really appreciate you investing your most important asset

with us, which is your time.

Thank you so much, sir.

And we'll see you in Tulsa, Oklahoma, very soon, sir.

My honor, I'm looking forward to clay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Dr., thank you so much.

Clay Clark is here somewhere.

Where's my buddy, Clay?

Clay is the greatest.

I met his goats today.

I met his dogs, I met his chickens.

I saw his compound.

He's like the greatest guy.

I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs.

So this guy's like the greatest marketer

you've ever seen, right?

His entire life, Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing.

Clay, my honor, my honor to be on your show.

And thank you for all you do.

I hear the ripple effects from you are good ripple effects.

You know what I mean?

People rave about what they learned from you.

So congratulations.

Sean, guess what's happening?

April 9th and 10th, 2026.

We are probably going to have an amazing business conference

here at Tulsa Russel.

Yes, we are joined by Tim Tivo.

Tim Tivo is going to be joining us right here

at the Thrive Time Show World Headquarters.

June 5th and 6th, he's a very successful football player.

Obviously, a Heisman Award winner.

But he's also a very successful entrepreneur.

Now, when you work with real clients, Sean, real clients,

you really work with help them grow their companies.

Do you ever hear a business owner tell you

that they didn't have time to get something done every day?

How often is not having enough time a problem

for business owners all the time?

It's almost, it's like maybe 90% of the issues

as people are trying to grow their company.

Well, Tim Tivo is going to come join us here

at the in person Thrive Time Show 2 Day Interactive Business

Workshop.

But he's going to teach us time management

and his approach to personal self-discipline

and getting things done.

Also at the workshop, I'll put up on the website

so people can see it here.

Also at the 2 Day Interactive Workshop, Sean,

we are going to be, oh, there it is.

We're going to be teaching accounting,

a systems creation, marketing, human resources,

how to hire, inspire, train, and retain great people,

accounting, social media advertising,

search engine optimization.

Sean, what's the area where most clients ask you

for help the most?

Is it generating leads?

Is it hiring people?

What's the biggest issue that most business owners have

by default before they come to one of our workshops?

Well, I think it's management because time

is the most valuable resource for these business owners

and being able to manage their time is the first thing.

Once they get that under control, then generally,

the numbers, you know, being able to track their business

and be able to make the best decisions

based on numbers rather than emotions is a big area.

And we teach all of this stuff at the business conference,

particularly you Clay, you love to hammer on time management.

It's my favorite part of the conference.

Now I'm going to pull this up real quick here,

because if you're not excited, I want to get you excited

about what we're going to cover at the workshop here.

The two-day interactive workshop,

this is my 20-year hosting workshop.

So I'm telling you folks, we're in rare form here.

So one is the idea of establishing your revenue goals.

I think most entrepreneurs don't know their revenue goals.

Would you agree or am I off my rocker?

No, that's totally a very important point we do

with every one of our new clients that come on board

as we have to establish the revenue goals.

And generally speaking, we have a vague idea,

but not an exact idea that can be engineered down

into the daily goals for sales.

And so that's a really big one.

Now next is the break-even numbers.

What kind of sales do you have to do to even break-even?

Yeah, third is how many hours per week do you want to work?

What is your ideal schedule as an entrepreneur?

Box number four, how do you stand out in the clutter of commerce?

What makes your company unique from all the different businesses

in a world of brown cows, herds of brown cows,

proverbial brown cows, the analogy of brown cows,

how can you be the purple cow that stands out?

How can you be the squeaky will that gets the oil?

Box number five, branding.

How do you improve the perception that people have of you,

your business, your brand?

Box number six, marketing.

Your three-legged marketing stool.

What is a turnkey way for you and your company

to generate leads so you can succeed?

Because if you don't have any leads,

your business will bleed.

If you can't sell, your business will go to hell.

You've got to generate leads.

Sean, how often do business owners by default tell you

they have a hard time generating leads?

It's almost all of the time.

It's really a huge struggle.

And many times they may be creating leads,

but just through word of mouth.

So they get to a point where we've implemented systems

and then they need to create more leads,

but they've never had to do it.

So there's a lot of different scenarios where business owners

are like, how do you create leads?

Something we hammer on at the conference a lot.

Box number seven, box number seven,

create a sales conversion system.

And box number seven, create a sales conversion system.

Sales scripts, recorded calls, one sheets,

pre-written emails, lead trackers, all of the sales tools,

the sales print pieces, the one sheets,

the big screens that you see inside the business,

whether you're a doctor, you're a dentist, you're a lawyer,

you've got to have sales systems in place.

We help you with that.

Box number eight, what does it cost you to get another customer?

What does it cost you to actually acquire a customer?

Step number nine, it's hard to build an organization

if you're not organized.

We're gonna teach you how to create repeatable systems,

processes, file organization.

Box number 10, we're gonna teach you how to manage people,

real people on the planet earth.

This just in, we're gonna teach you how to manage

real people on the planet earth.

Box number 11, how to create a sustainable schedule

that works for you and your family.

Step number 12, how to create human resources systems

for recruiting, hiring, training, and retaining great people.

Box number 13, accounting, this just in,

we have to cover accounting, it's not how much you make,

it's how much you keep, we're gonna cover

all the accounting things you need to know.

And step 14, finally, what is the point of even achieving success?

We're gonna go over, what is the point of even achieving success?

How to design a life that you're excited about?

How to design a life where you carve out enough time

for your faith, your family, your finance,

your fitness, your friendship, your fun,

and where you're gonna spend your focused time.

We're gonna go through that.

All this and more, the other workshop,

Sean, it's April 9th and 10th.

It's a two-day interactive workshop in tickets.

We always do it.

It's $250 or whatever price that someone can afford.

Sean, why do we let people name their price?

Why do we have scholarship tickets available

if somebody can't afford the $250 general admission tickets?

Well, we don't want anybody to miss out on it.

You could be at a startup phase

or you could be way along in your business,

but we wanna make it accessible for everybody.

I think it actually goes back to a story of your dad.

And it goes all the way back to how you've always done

this as a business coach, trying to make sure

that you're just your average people

out there have access to the things that work.

Now 7 a.m. to 5, Sean,

why do we go from 7 to 5 both days?

I mean, it's 10 hours a day, 20 hours of training

over two days.

Why do we do 10 hours a day, Sean,

of back-to-back workshops?

We do a 30-minute teaching session.

We do a 15-minute question and answer session,

and then we take a break.

30 minutes of teaching, 15 minutes of question and answer.

Then we take a break.

Why do we do that format, Sean?

That format is so that we can keep people engaged

and not just sitting there listening,

but also getting involved.

We really encourage people to ask questions,

and that's really where the juiciness of the conference comes out

is you can put your personal situation

and your questions on the board in clay will tee off

and give you direct advice.

Even without being in our coaching program,

you can get direct coaching from clay.

It's really a very engaging format.

I enjoyed a lot.

Once again, folks, this event is April 9th, 10th, 2026.

Get those tickets at thrivetimeshow.com.

Once again, it's thrivetimeshow.com.

Whoa, who's our keynote speaker

coming to the conference there, Sean?

Tim Tibo is our keynote speaker.

Sean, question number three,

how much does it cost to come to our in-person

two-day interactive business workshop

right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

I think it's, do you say $250 or whatever you can afford?

That's right, $250 or whatever you can afford.

Sean, how do you spell Eric Trump backwards?

He, uh, M-U-R-T-C-I-R-E.

Ooh, that took a long time.

I'll have to listen to this.

You're right.

All right, getting that Sean Lomond.

I'm Clay Clark, and inviting you to come join us

at the in-person thrive time show,

two-day interactive workshop.

This event is April 9th, 10th, 2026.

Get those tickets at thrivetimeshow.com.

Once again, it's thrivetimeshow.com.

Yeah!

Right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 10th, T-Vo, baby.

It's T-Vo time.

Oh, yeah.

Also, Russel.

You know, I was doing a lot of different things,

but you chose to be here.

Clay Clark is here somewhere.

Where's my buddy, Clay?

Clay is the greatest.

I met his goats today.

I met his dogs.

I met his chickens.

I saw his compound.

He's like the greatest guy.

I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs.

So this guy's like the greatest marketer

you've ever seen, right?

He's entire life.

Clay Clark, his entire life, is marketing.

Oh, my God.

What's that?

Hey, guys.

Luke Erickson here with the Thrive Time Show.

As you can see behind me, we've got all kinds of energy

going on.

People are starting to show up for the conference,

and it is hot in this place.

We've got drill guns over here.

We've got people playing the drill.

We've got a fire breather.

And man, people are so excited as they come in.

Oh!

Well, the conference is being done.

This house is packed.

We've got here in the office.

We're just up there.

We've got Stephen Curry, Tim and Tony Winding

contents up there, while we're talking about survival.

When you just implement it, you implement it.

When you do this, it's so exciting.

And when people are going crazy.

Guys, Luke Erickson with the Thrive Time Show here with you.

It is day two, and the energy is high.

People are so excited to be showing up with the team.

It's ready.

Come on.

Let's see what it's like to go on in for day two.

My name is Kevin Thomas, and the name of our company

is MultiClean.

We are a commercial, janitorial service,

and we serve the entire state of Oklahoma and Kansas,

and soon to be our console.

We have probably grown probably five times.

We've added, I think when we first started with you,

we had 60 to 65 employees.

And now we have a little over 300 employees.

Before we got involved with Thrive Time,

we didn't really have any systems or processes in place.

I've probably been to, oh, in six, seven years,

I've probably been to 12 to 13 business conferences.

And amazingly, each time I go, I learn something new,

and I'm so excited to bring it back and show the team.

4,000% from February to February.

Now, I can better that.

OK, Clay, I don't think you know this.

I'll think you know this.

I'm pinching myself, and if I cry, forgive me.

In the last two and a half days,

we have bettered our entire month of February.

In the last two and a half days.

I heard about it on the podcast.

It started listening to the podcast, became a fan,

and then figured out about the workshop.

I own an insurance and financial services agency,

and I was hoping to learn from the workshop systems

and processes.

I'm big on systems and processes,

and always learning better ways to run business more efficiently.

The atmosphere's second to none.

It's a high energy, really cool atmosphere

to be around, contagious, I would say.

Just something every entrepreneur,

I think, would appreciate and love.

I'd say humorous, high energy, and full of substance,

which I think is the key.

A lot of business coaches or seminars,

maybe are high on motivation and making you feel good,

but don't have a lot of substance that you could take back

and implement the following Monday, where his does.

Man, there's a lot of valuable things.

I'm going to say, I came to this as my second workshop.

The first workshop I took back, really,

the importance of a group interview.

I used to spend hours and hours interviewing people,

screening resumes, and that saving my time

on that part is valuable.

It was that, and then a sales scripting

that had been two major things just so far.

Man, I think they're missing out on expert advice

from somebody who's been there, done that.

Built companies has learned a lot of lessons.

That's what I'm always looking for is somebody

that I can learn from.

That's ahead of where I am, and I think if you choose not

to come, you're missing out on a lot of good advice

that can help your business.

Hi, this is Charles and Amber Kola.

We're the owners of Kolaftitness.

We heard about Clay Clark through Paul Hood, our CPA.

We've heard with Clay Clark for the last two years.

Clay Clark has helped us take our three locations

in three different states and create checklists, workflows,

task lists, time blocks for every employee.

He's helped us with creating systems and audits

for every department, quantitative scorecards

for each department in every position

so that everybody has a number.

It's been able to give us a lot of time freedom

and financial freedom and peace of mind

to know that everything's running efficiently

and he's been helpful with a lot of marketing,

search engine optimization, helping us really

rank high in Google, and pretty much every area

of the business is very, very helpful.

We've been described the experience

of working with Clay as very energetic.

He's full of energy, he's very encouraging,

very motivating, but also accountable.

So he keeps us accountable and we love that accountability.

It keeps our drive in the right direction

so we're not chasing things that aren't worth

spending our time on.

It's a great coach.

He helps push us on certain areas, helps coaches

in certain areas.

We're all emotional creatures and we go up and down

and you actually will tell us kind of where we're at,

how we can get from there.

And even like emotionally, like we're stressed about something,

you'll have a story to relate to.

And it really helps us in every area of our business.

It's been very, very helpful.

I think Clay's ability to have a whole team

behind him that help him with all of his clients

on his coaching clients is that it allows Clay

to do what he's really good at.

And that's working on one with the client and coaching them.

And then he can have his amazing staff come in

and help you accomplish all these goals that you're setting.

And of course, he has all these resources,

whether it's videographers or whether it's web developers,

but they can quickly jump on your project, knock things out.

He can quickly give you the right coaching.

He's just got a whole team of people

that whatever area you're lacking in in your own company,

he's got resources from like video, web design,

search engine guys who are just knowledgeable in that.

Even though he knows a lot of that stuff,

he's got these capable lieutenants

that are ready to just take off and help you get this up.

More stuff gets done on a weekly basis

than he would on like probably most,

in the individual or some other company.

We've worked with several companies before.

It's just not as many things get done on a weekly basis.

It's been very helpful.

The conference is for me, I'm a slow learner.

So I have to learn like over and over again here,

things over and over again.

I've been to like, I think eight different conferences.

And each time you come, I learn a few new components.

Some things are repetitive,

but a lot of the stuff just resettles

and I get a little bit more depth at the each component.

So I mean, I've been to eight of them.

They're all super entertaining.

He's very funny, very encouraging.

He gets a kind of self reflect a lot.

And a lot of the stuff is really polarizing.

You do a personal inventory over yourself.

And you'll think like, yeah,

I've really got to work on this,

really got to work on that.

So every time you come, I still get a lot of out of it.

And as much as every conference is the same,

it's totally different.

So I think we'll hear stories we haven't heard before.

They'll have entertainment or we'll have speakers

we didn't have before.

And like you said, you just always catch a different part

of the material that maybe you didn't catch before.

It's worth it differently.

And it's really cool because some people

that you've seen like a year ago at a conference,

now they're being showcased as a success story

and you get to see their website,

you get to see how their stats and all their metrics

have improved and the revenue improved.

So it's really cool to see people that just a year ago

that, of course, we've been here two years,

that just came that I met is now being successful.

It's really encouraging to see other people,

and they make accomplish that stuff.

So the Clay has helped us optimize our website

and helped with the right search engines

that we need to make sure that we are very, very competitive

with all of our other competitors.

He's done, basically he outlines exactly

what you need to be accomplishing

and he creates tasks that we have to accomplish

and his team has to accomplish.

I would say over the last two years,

we've read Totally Ramp our website,

we're topping Google in every one of our markets

or just doing, I would say just doing really, really good.

I feel very, very confident in all of our future locations

and making sure that we're in front of the ideal

and likely buyer.

It's very encouraging.

It's important to me that to know when I'm working

with Clay, I've been in business for a while

and met with him even when I already had three businesses

of three different states.

And to know that when I was sharing with him

to stay in private, he's not sending that out to anybody else.

To know that when he's working with me,

he's only working with one other.

No other gems that are a direct competition with me.

It's very encouraging to have something you can trust

and rely on that he is going to somehow tell your trade secrets

or give information away.

Just really awesome that he's a trustworthy guy,

really cares about you as a client.

For us, it's been a complete mind freedom

because Clay has helped us create

a lot of different documents and one sheets

for every department, but quantitative score cards

to each department.

And so for us, it's been very encouraging

and gives us peace.

Like it's an entrepreneur, it's stressful.

You go to bed at night, you're worried,

like, do we cover this, do we cover that?

So he helps extract everything out of your brain,

everything from your business, put it into document creation,

put it into checklists and workflows

for every person in each department,

and make sure that everything's getting done

every week, every month, and funnel that all into KPIs

or key performance indicators

as you can see on a weekly basis

to make sure you're moving the needle

in the right area of your company.

It's been very encouraging and give you

a complete mind freedom and peace

to know that that stuff's created,

to easy to duplicate and scale your company.

And then we can spend time doing what we're really good at

and just trust the system.

I honestly believe everybody needs a coach.

I think we're all inherently lazy, selfish, and carnal.

I truly believe that humans are humans.

We'd rather we're standing, we'd rather sit,

we're sitting, we'd rather lay down,

and we're laying down, we'd rather be asleep.

So to have somebody that challenges you,

have real active candor and be honest with you

on every aspect of your company

is really, really encouraging to me