Playing Eagles dump and chase with Ashlyn Sullivan

Hey everyone and welcome to the Eagle Eye Podcast brought to you by Nissan.

No rub for this pod, he's enjoying some time off.

I took some time off last week, he's taking some time off this week.

Next week we're getting ready for the draft, so we'll both be back.

But Ashlyn Sullivan joins me today, Ashlyn, how are you?

I am awesome.

I'm excited that both of you got some time away, because it's about to get a little crazy,

so now's the time to take the time.

Yeah, you got to find the time when you can in the NFL schedule, because there is not much

of it.

No, definitely in the off season too.

I feel like every off season it gets more and more impactful, especially here in Philly.

It feels like the past couple of years, it's been like a whirlwind these off seasons.

There's always something.

So I'm glad to have you on, especially today, because you've been very busy.

Fire season, it's heating up, and we have a lot of football to talk about.

I want to get into like the equals biggest needs.

We have a fun game to play a little bit later, but the city's fired up right now.

Yes.

How long have you been here in Philly now?

I have been here three and a half years.

Three and a half years.

So this is like the most you've seen it fired up.

Oh my gosh, by far, and it's funny when I was brought here at NBC Sports Philadelphia,

everyone had told me about Philadelphia being such a hockey city.

And I've heard about it, and I've seen examples in the past, but I've never personally felt

it.

So to finally see that that actually is a true statement has been very cool.

And just to see the cross promotion of the sports, to have Bryce Harper say and go

flyers at the end of his Philly's interviews.

It's been very cool to see this come to life the past couple of weeks.

That's fun.

So I wanted to ask you, you know, I grew up a big hockey fan.

I'll be honest, I've kind of not been paying attention as much recently.

That's to be honest.

I do get excited for it though.

So I think I feel like a lot of Eagles fans are probably in the same boat as me.

We're like, you want the flyers to win, but you don't really know what's going on.

Best way.

So give me like the elevator pitch right now.

What's going on with the flyers?

How close are they to the playoffs?

What are their chances?

That sort of thing.

So as of right now, they have four regular season games left in the season.

They got about a 70% chance to make the playoffs.

Basically, they're in the driver's seat right now.

They're in the last division spots in the Metro.

If they keep winning games, they will make the playoffs.

If they fall off and the teams below them and the standings get hot, they're not going

to make the playoffs.

I think as we see in a day, they will make the playoffs.

They are just, they have so much momentum for fans that want to know more about the flyers.

What you need to know is, Dan Vludar, their starting goal tenor is the reason they are

in this conversation.

He has been the MVP of the season, a free agent from Calgary.

We didn't know much about him and he's been unbelievable.

You know, in football terms, timing and health is everything and that applies to hockey

as well.

The flyers got healthy at just the right time.

They brought in some young players like Porter, Marton, Tyson Forester, young guys really

improving and clicking and because of that, they're in this conversation.

A month ago, I did not think this would happen.

That's the coolest thing.

It really has come out of nowhere.

And my understanding is that in a normal year, they'd already be in the playoffs.

It's kind of stacked right now.

Yes, the East is, if they were in the West, the Pacific, they would firmly be in a

playoffs spot.

But there are a lot of teams in the East that are buying for the same spot and teams that

are normally so successful in the East, like the Rangers and Toronto are the two teams that

are out of it right now.

So it's been fascinating that it's teams that you don't normally see in the mix that are

going for the same spot right now.

Okay, that's fun.

I needed that because I've now we're all caught up.

I want to get fully invested here for this playoff run.

I feel like I'm all right, so one more question about the flyers and we'll move on.

You know, sometimes like in the NFL, we'll say a team arrived ahead of schedule on schedule

behind schedule, the flyers in terms of like the outside timelines of when we're figuring

out when this will be a playoff team.

Is this about what people expected?

Is this earlier?

Later, how would you classify that internally?

They're right on time.

Okay.

Danny Breyer and ownership has been so honest, this is going to take some time outside

noise.

This is very late.

I mean, they have been gunning for a playoff spot.

This fan base has wanted it for so long and they have approached this very patiently.

I don't want to say like the process, like the sixers, but they knew that they had too

many young players that had to develop before they could go get bigger pieces.

So it is right on time from ownership, but a fan base that has been wanting this for

a really long time.

Okay.

Well, that's exciting.

I am flyered up.

Yes.

We're out the flyers talk podcast, flyers pre and post game.

If you want more, which I think we all do, we all want to come on over, we're not gay

keeping here.

That's been driving me nuts in the city lately, like that all of a sudden, we don't want

any more hockey flyers fans, the more the mayor come on board, man, wagon or not.

Let's go.

And if you're a bandwagon fan, that's fine.

Just say it.

Own it.

Yeah.

We get it.

That's perfectly acceptable.

It's more fun when everyone's involved.

Yes.

I think football is the only sport where that doesn't apply.

I think we've seen it in Philadelphia.

The Phillies were in this boat one day, six years flyers, like, it happens.

It happens in sports.

Football is the one strange one where I feel like it never truly happens, maybe unless

you're the Cleveland Browns.

That's probably true.

All right.

That's been like five minutes of hockey talk.

There's more on flyers talk.

Go check it out.

Let's get into some football because I had your own during for agency when Rube was sick

as a dog.

It was a real bad time to be sick.

The Eagles were kind of in the middle of all their moves.

They've mostly made all their for agency moves.

There'll probably be a few other signings here or there, some trades, and then obviously

the draft.

But I'm going to reset a little bit and look at the Eagles position positions in terms

of need.

I have them in a like a descending order, so we'll build up some suspense, the top ten

positions of need.

We don't have to spend a lot of time on number ten, it's quarterback.

I mean, they're stocked at quarterback right now.

I know that Jalen hurts conversation is ongoing, but he's clearly their quarterback.

They have a good number two, they have a great number three.

They might still draft one.

I know.

They might just might.

Yeah.

Because you see, I think how he roseman doesn't wait for things to settle.

He gets ahead of things.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they do draft a quarterback.

If they did draft a quarterback, it would tell me that they're seriously considering

trading Tanner McKee because I do think once again, Tanner McKee will have a great

training camp, a great preseason.

I don't even know how much stock we put into the regular season game that he started

last year where he struggled.

I'm curious how teams look at that because we knew of the offensive problems that Eagles

were having.

Kevin Petulo was still your OC, you still had a beat it up offensive line.

So yeah, Tanner McKee struggled, but so did Jalen hurts a lot of games.

So I'm curious if that really hurt his stock as much as people are saying it did.

Yeah, I don't know if it did.

I think maybe in this city, we've seen enough of him to know that we think he's good.

I don't know how he's viewed around the league, but even if Tanner McKee and Andy

Dalton are here this year, the Eagles could still draft a quarterback and try to develop.

And they tried it last year with Common Court.

It didn't work out, but what are the chances that Tanner McKee and or any Dalton are here

next year?

Like, probably not great.

So it is time to maybe draft one developed, but I think that's a day three pick.

Agreed.

Yeah.

And I think you have the luxury of time that that can develop maybe a little slower than

the normal expectation of drafting a quarterback because of the room.

Okay.

How about number nine linebacker?

I feel like that's the good spot for linebacker.

I know they lost in the Kobe Dean, they're going to miss him, but this is why you draft

a jog gamble.

Right.

I think it all depends on if Jihad Campbell can be consistent.

I don't think he's been given enough reps to be consistent at linebacker quite yet.

I think the experiment of him bumping out to pass Russia has to end now.

Would you need him to be your middle linebacker?

Because he have the capabilities and qualities to be a pass Russia at time.

Yes.

I'm curious what you think of this, but from what big fans you says, it never seemed

like he liked that idea anyway, just like he doesn't like moving Cooper to Jean.

He likes his guy in one spot.

And I need Jihad Campbell to be that one spot.

Yeah.

I mean, I think there was a little disconnect between the front office and coaching in terms

of that pass rush element of Campbell's game.

I mean, how he on draft night, like, couldn't stop talking about the potential.

Look at the options.

As an ed rusher.

And then the first time we talked to Vick after the pick, he's like, yeah, he's an off-ball

inside linebacker.

I mean, that's clearly what he thinks.

I think if Campbell really like had time on task, he could become a pretty good ed rusher,

but I think he's a ways away from that.

Right.

And I think at this point, you just have to decide where you put him and give him the reps.

Because I did feel like they're putting a lot on his plate for what a young player he was.

Okay.

And number eight, defensive tackle.

And it needs to be low on the list.

The only thing I will say is that Moore Ogemo is going to be a free agent after this year.

I find it almost impossible that they'll be able to reassign him given the contract for

Jordan Davis, the expected contract for Jalen Carter.

So maybe it's a position where they draft.

I don't know if they'd add a veteran.

I like the idea of drafting to be under Jalen Carter Jordan Davis.

Someone that you would have to have the trust though to plug and play in a situation

where Moore O is so that guy.

We take this player for granted how he can go in and be consistent.

I think Moore O is going to get paid a big contract, unfortunately, somewhere else because

you're right.

I just don't see how the Eagles can make this work.

But I would think it's not crazy to think that they have to spend a more high draft pick

than people would expect.

Just because think about defensive tackle if Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis get injured,

which they have at times, then what does this look like if you don't have Moore Ogemo

building back on?

Yeah, it's fair.

They have Byron Young who's been like, OK, I think Ty Robinson last year, a little bit

of a disappointing rookie season as a fourth round pick, especially for an older prospect,

24 years old.

He thought he's going to step in and play right away.

To his credit, there were guys ahead of him on the depth chart, but I did think he'd

play a little bit more.

So maybe he'll take a big jump in here too.

That would be nice, but I don't know if you can rely on that.

Yeah, they do have some options, but it's just right now a glaring drop, which, hello,

it's Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis.

Of course, there's going to be a drop, but you'd rather not be as steep as it is right

now.

At seven, I have cornerback.

I think we know that the starting cornerbacks are excellent, maybe the best trio in the

lead with Quinniam Mitchell, Cooper Ojean and Rick Wollen.

After that, I think there are some questions.

You bring in Jonathan Jones, a veteran, as a backup after that, you have Mac McWilliams

who was about a fourth round pick last year.

So it's a spot where I don't think they're going to add another veteran necessarily,

I think when you have nine draft picks, using one of them on a corner makes sense.

Right.

I think the same capabilities where you can learn from some all-stars, I think maybe

it going a little better the experiments of someone like Achilles Ringo, where you had

opportunities at times to play and didn't take advantage of those opportunities.

I could see them using a draft pick on that, and I think as a whole, I don't think

it's crazy.

I know everyone's talking about this.

I see a world where you're not going to be able, and I say this with agitation, where

you can't keep Quinniam Mitchell and Cooper Ojean.

And I know that you have to find a way to do that, but what if you don't?

Then what is the secondary, what does this cornerback situation look like?

And if you had to prioritize, how would you?

Between those two.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a good question.

I'm going cute.

Sorry.

I would as well, but they're both staying.

This is why you have to, yeah, I mean, this is, but what if you can't, but you can't.

There's always a way.

It's just about fine.

Yeah.

There's always a way.

And this is about like making those decisions.

This is about not paying Reed Blankenship A in half a million years.

This is about understanding that more Ojeemo is going to leave after this season.

With Pay Jalen Phillips.

Like it all adds up.

Yeah.

It's just, you know, you have to prioritize.

And those two would be, I mean, right at the top of the list in terms of priorities.

And that's the one thing I'll credit how he with is like, when he has a player that they

know can't leave the building, that player doesn't leave the building.

Right.

And for example, last year that, it was so clear that that was the priority.

And Jordan Davis.

And that's why I think it's telling maybe why Jalen hurts isn't getting that extension

right now.

Like they don't hide secrets, I think when it's a priority, we all know it's a priority.

And I do credit them that honesty that you rarely get in a front office.

Yeah.

And like follow the money always.

Money always tells you what words don't.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

And they're going to pay both of those guys.

All right.

So now we're going into the real needs.

The bottom four like, you know, they're not real needs.

It'd be nice if they were addressed, but we'll live if not.

Six.

Interior offensive line.

And this is a really tough one because no one really knows what they're going to get

from Lennon Dickerson and Cam Dragons in 2026 and beyond.

I mean, it's, there are a large range of outcomes for those two players where they could

step back on the field this year, be healthy, be pro bowlers, and the offensive lines

great.

On the other end of that spectrum is like, these guys, not only are they not healthy enough

to play, but they are no longer the players they once were because of injuries.

I think both of those outcomes are relatively realistic.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't think it's crazy to say that you can't really be in the middle there.

I mean, if it's anything close to what it was last season where you would watch unfortunately

landed in Cam walking around the locker room and it's like, how is this guy going to play

on Sunday?

They struggled.

Their health was so glaring early on in the season and it only got worse.

It's anywhere close to that next season.

The Eagles have a really big problem on their hands because it's not just one player.

It's land in and Cam and it's unfortunate that it happened at the same time.

But that's why I would even put this on the higher list of priorities because I think

you have to plan for worst case scenario and worst case scenario is those guys can't play

them what?

Yeah.

No, it's, it's a very valid concern.

And, you know, putting a list together of needs is interesting because there are immediate

needs, there are long-term needs, and there are positions where you can attack it in different

ways.

Mm-hmm.

For offensive line, like, it's a draft and developed position or at least it has been

here.

Now, you can find some free agents at times, Eagles have had some success with that.

You think Brandon Brooks in 2016, you think about the trade for Jason Peters way back

in 2010, whenever that was, like, there are other ways to get them, but like, the best

way to get offensive line is to draft and develop.

The Eagles have done that pretty well, but, you know, man, a year ago, interior offensive

line would not be this high of a priority.

No.

I don't know if it'd be on the list.

And unfortunately with offensive line, when you're making this list of needs, it's the

way you look at it.

Are you looking glass half full or are you looking at reality?

What if they can't play?

If it's glass half full and these guys are coming back healthy, which to credit them,

they do and everything they can, we're seeing the stem cell transplants.

If this works, then, okay, then this isn't a need anymore.

If you can count on landing and can to play continuously, then I wouldn't even really

put this as a need.

And I would just get draft for depth at that point and have the luxury of time that you

can develop a prospect.

Maybe you draft someone who can compete with Tyler Steen, that right, guard.

Right.

We're talking about the training camp, but we're not really talking about any day.

If Lannan and Kim aren't on the training camp, they don't look like themselves, then

this is a huge topic.

Yeah.

I agree.

Number five, tight end.

And the Eagles have figured it out in 2026.

They brought back Dallas Goddard, they signed Johnny Munt, they bring back Grand Cocotera.

So at least they stocked that tight end room, but no one's under contract beyond this year.

It is a definite long term need and it's overdue for them to draft the tight end.

I agree.

It's time to find Dallas Goddard's replacement.

It is time to find the guy that can be seen as offensive weapon.

And more so, I think the guy that you can put on the poster board, right?

Like Dallas Goddard has been that player.

It is crazy.

If next year we are still talking about, are they going to bring back Dallas Goddard?

Are they going to let him test for it?

Like, enough.

We've done the experiments.

You give him a great career.

I just think he's going to cost too much money going forward, especially when we talk

about having to pay Cooper and Quinion.

So draft a guy, have the luxury of learning under Dallas Goddard, and I think that's

got to be this year.

Yeah.

How do you feel about Canyon Cedique?

Because he's obviously the guy everyone talks about.

He's probably the only first round tight end.

After that, there are a bunch of names in the mid rounds that are intriguing, but Canyon

Cedique is kind of like the top of the list, the best tight end in this class.

I mean, that would check the box, right?

That is the replacement.

We're going to find out how much they prioritize the tight end.

I just think with us listening to how he roseman and hearing him and his priorities,

I can't see them taking a tight end that high when they have other things to address,

like past rush, which I have a feeling is high on this list.

I think this could be, I think this could be accomplished still day two, day three, with

the luxury of you having Dallas Goddard still this season.

Yeah.

But I'll tell you what, if they're sitting there at 23, you watch his tape and it's like

you got it.

And Cedique is on the board.

Like, I think it's going to be tough to turn him down.

That's obviously like, we're not talking about one player in a vacuum.

We have to see who else is available, but to get like the unquestioned top tight end in

the class.

And like, you know that problem's addressed.

Yeah.

And check the box.

Yeah.

And he's not Dallas Goddard like in terms of being an inline blocker, but he's willing

to block in space like so young you could develop that.

He and he's like, he's not the biggest guy, but he just, he's different.

He moves so well.

He's a weapon.

Like I, you can sell me on Kenny and Cedique pretty easily.

Agreed.

And it's, it always goes back to, and this is why it's fascinating to have the puzzle

of a GM is AJ here or not.

Like what, what do your other past options look like?

And that's so key to spending a first round draft pick on a tight end.

Like, where does your receiver room stand?

Yeah.

And that's the fun way to look at this at times too is like if you're at 23, you can

and say Kenny and Cedique is there versus, I don't know, what receiver for.

Which way do you go?

Like I think that's a valid question is like, maybe you just like that receiver for better.

Yeah.

Then Kenny and Cedique possible, but if you have the option to just add a playmaker kind

of taking away the position value of it all, there's a lot to like about getting the

best playmaker available.

Yeah.

And it might be Cedique higher ceiling than a receiver, I think, which is always fascinating

when Howie Roseman, and it's clear he doesn't draft for need, he doesn't draft, he just

takes the best player available.

I think that they are in that position at 23.

I think you would make the argument that he is the best athlete most likely.

Yeah, he's kind of free.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's going to shine above other receivers and that's some of these numbers like we get

numb to it.

Like thinking about Kenny and Cedique running a sub four four is stupid.

Like what are we talking about?

Barrett Brooks and Huddl.

He'll always talk about those numbers and those times and it is at times when you hear

it.

So often you're like, yeah, yeah, four or four.

I was like, no, let's be fast.

Yeah.

All right.

Number four.

This is definitely a long term need, but an important one.

And if I were ranking the position, I think it's most likely for them to draft, this would

be higher, but we're just talking need right now offensive tackle.

Yeah.

Because right now, like they're in a good spot.

Yeah.

You have Jordan Milotta, you have Lane Johnson for this season to the best of the league.

Yeah.

After the season, though, I mean, like Lane clearly thought about retiring this off

season.

He's in year 14.

He's going to turn 36 next month.

It is passed due for them to draft his replacement.

Yes.

I think I agree that this is what I predict they will do.

This would be number one to me because of the luxury like we saw with Kelsey and Pam

Jurgens.

If you have this prospect that can play under Lane Johnson for a year and I don't have

the anxiety of what are we going to do with Lane.

I don't see a lane plays more than one year.

I hope I'm wrong.

Jordan Milotta as well and where does your guard situation stand, right?

Because if that's solidified and clear, then you have a great possibility here of drafting

a tackle and having them learn from all of these guys.

Well, if this is shaky, now you're putting a tackle prospect into a situation that isn't

as consistent as you'd like it to be, but I think this is what they will do.

This would be number one on my prediction list.

Sure.

Me too for that portion of it.

It's time to get Lane's replacement.

Yeah.

I agree.

And I think there are players who line up value wise in the low 20s for that.

Like Maxie Hanna short of me is he's become my guy in this process, Mara's on a state.

I don't think he's as raw as people talk about him.

I know he didn't play high school football, but just so funny to think about.

Yeah, but like he's, I think he's further along his development than other people think.

You like him better the proctor?

Yes.

Yeah.

I do.

Devasive.

I know there's a lot of like about proctor.

I think there's a lot for the Eagles to like when we talk about Jeff Stalin's critical

factors.

Proctor has some of that.

He's mammoth, but I think Hanna short moves better.

And it's not a knock on proctor that he could play guard, but sometimes I do get a little

worried when we're talking about a tackle bumping in the guard before they get drafted.

And to me, well, that could be looked at as a luxury that, oh, he can play two positions.

If you are so good at tackle, then it's not even a question that you would bump out

to guard because you're that good at tackle, like no one has ever said that Lane Johnson should

bump into guard.

Yeah.

Look, if it's like a short term thing, like you say you address proctor and Lane's healthy

and he's playing and you're like, well, he'd be better at right guard than Tyler's team.

I get that.

But yeah, I actually, I like Hanna, and when this process started, I think a first round

grade on him would have been too high, but then he kills a senior bowl, kills the combine.

I think he'd be the perfect sit and stash guy for a year, let him learn behind Lane.

I'm in on him all the way.

I like that idea for first round.

And then I think you can get, which we'll talk about.

You can get the pass rush or you need that can still contribute in a second round.

Okay.

So number three, we're not going pass rush just yet.

I have wide receiver at three, which look, we're not going to do the whole AJ brown thing

again, but we obviously know if he is not here, it becomes an even bigger need, but even

if he is here, you know, like you lose your hand dops and they don't necessarily have

someone to just step in and replace them.

I'm high on Darius Cooper.

Yeah.

I don't know if you can go into a season relying on that.

So wide receiver is already very high, and I'm kind of hedging a little bit by putting

into three, because I'm on record.

I don't think AJ Brown is going to be here, but even if he is, I think it is still a need.

It is because I don't see even if AJ Brown is here.

How much longer are you going to keep this as your tandem of AJ Brown and Devote Smith?

I wouldn't think that's longer than maybe two seasons, Max.

What do you think about Johnny Wilson, like where do you think he is at his recovery?

It was such a big injury, but I really liked his camp before he got injured.

And I think we forget about him as what a great red zone target he was at one time.

Yeah, a big block or two, like did a lot of the dirty work.

And that kind of ended up being a little bit of Darius Cooper's role, just mucking it up.

That's a hockey term for you.

There you go.

Flyers talk.

Yeah, he kind of took over some of that dirty work aspect of it.

The Eagles like having a player like that going back to, you know, Zach Paschal a few years ago.

I think that would have been Johnny Wilson's role.

I know a lot of people were asking, can he play tight end?

I mean, he hasn't, he's a receiver.

It's a different position.

Got the frame somewhat for it.

He does, but it is, it's always funny.

It's like, you have a big receiver.

Well, you can play tight end.

Well, figured out it doesn't really work that way.

We've seen some former Eagles receivers try to make that transition.

And it's not easy.

So, but I'm comfortable, depending on where Johnny Wilson is in his recovery.

If you told me, if AJ Brown is here, if you told me AJ Brown Devonte and that third role

that Johan Dodson had was Cooper Wilson, maybe a lower draft pick, I would be okay going

in the season.

Yeah, about that.

Yeah.

Obviously, that's a totally different story.

Yeah.

And that's the thing.

It's like I hedged a little bit about putting it up.

Yeah, yeah.

Hollywood Brown.

Yeah.

Elijah Moore.

You don't know what you're going to have there.

Yeah.

But if AJ's not here and you have Devonte, Hollywood Brown, and then that third spot

is Cooper Wilson, then I say it's not good enough.

It's not complete enough.

Yeah.

It's kind of agree.

All right.

Number two, we're getting to it now.

Ed Drusher.

They lose Jalen Phillips and for agency.

And I've said this a bunch, but like, yes, they should not have paid Jalen Phillips $30

million a year.

We're going to be making fun of them right now.

Yeah.

We understand why how he let him walk.

That does not change the fact that he's a player they wanted to keep, and they no longer

have him.

And I don't think adding Arnold Evocati or Joe Trian Choyenka is replacing him.

No, those signings to me scream, Joshua J. Aziz, Ojalare, if they work great, well, one

of them work, maybe.

And it's either you get the most out of them, and it was such a, how he was been free

age and signing because they were at one point high draft picks that have never hit their

ceiling.

Like, there's a trend here.

If you get them close enough to hitting their seal and fantastic, this is a slam dunk.

There's a better chance that they are the Uche Aziz, Ojalare where you don't talk about

them a year later.

Yeah.

So it's that's more likely.

It's frankly just, it is not good enough, and it is a glaring, glaring need.

Yeah.

And it's one where, you know, in terms of positional importance, it's very high in terms

of, like, could they use a first round pick on an adrusher?

Yes.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Could they use a second round pick on one if they don't in the first?

Yeah.

In fact, I'd be surprised if they get out of the top 100 picks, they have four of those

top 100 without an adrusher.

I'd be a little surprised.

I'm totally agree.

I think you have to address it in the draft.

I think you also have to get another veteran body, another veteran president.

Well, that's, I want to ask about the veteran part of this because, you know, if I were

to ask you what position would Howie Roseman make a big swing in terms of the veteran market,

whether it's a trade, well, it would be a trade at this point.

To me, it would be adrusher.

I don't know if it would rise to the level of a Max Crosby, but I think that Grinard

trade has been talked about.

That is a position to me where if Howie does make a big trade swing other than trading

a way, a player that we've already talked about, to me, that's the position it would come.

I love the idea of, and people say, oh, you get Grinard, you're done.

No.

I think you have to swing and trade big money for a past russure of Grinard's capabilities

or someone right around there.

And then I still think you have to draft high past russure first or second day, you know,

one or two rounds.

I'm just, I'm not sold on Olen Smith.

I wish I was.

I wish he's shown me enough that injury related with him.

Both.

Okay.

The lack of consistency.

I just, I haven't seen it.

Which is like, it's tough to divorce it, I guess.

Yes.

You just haven't been available.

Yeah.

But even I think, and training camp, I didn't think he necessarily stood out last year.

And overall, I just, I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that he deserves a new contract right

now.

Yeah.

That's the one where, you know, him and Jaylen Carter were both eligible this off season.

With Nolan Smith, I think it benefits both sides.

You pick up the fifth year option, of course.

But man, I don't think the Eagles should pay him.

I don't think Nolan should want to take a contract now because I don't think it would be

a very big one.

No.

There's no way his agent can tell him that.

He hasn't got any even close to what his ceiling was supposed to be.

So right now, you're costing yourself money, even being in those conversations.

I just, with Jaylick's hunt and Nolan Smith, Jaylick's hunt's a fantastic story.

I feel good about that player, what it can become.

But I think you're putting way too much pressure, Franklin on Nolan Smith.

If you don't address this and say like, oh, Nolan's our guy, he hasn't shown you to be

his guy.

So I think that's even unfair to him.

And in terms of body type, this is something Barron and I talk about.

They don't have like a big defensive end right now.

Yeah.

Was that Josh Sweat, which is funny to think about because he was considered undersized

a little bit when he came, like, he is like a bigger body and they just don't have that

right now.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's like imperative to have it, but I think you'd like to.

I think you'd like to have one that stands out, like even when Barron and I were doing

breakdowns of Cassius Howe, who I really liked that prospect at Texas Texas A&M, he

looks identical to Nolan Smith.

So I'm like, all right, could you build by committee and have a bunch of those players

that are fit that body type?

I still think you're lacking if you don't have one that can separate themselves.

Yeah.

And there are some players in this draft who are a little bigger, looking like Malachi

Lawrence, I and Young, like just someone who's more of a defensive end.

Yeah.

I agree that I think it just, it worries me if it stands the way it is, which it won't.

They're going to have to address this.

But even if you don't double dip here and get trade and draft pick, I still think you're

putting too much on the guys that are here right now that haven't shown they can be the

guys yet.

Yeah.

A lot of potential, but yeah.

Great.

And number one, and remember, this is not weighted properly by possession.

But safety, to me, is like the most glaring need.

They bring back Drew McCuba, who I thought had some good moments as a rookie.

The arrow is pointing the right way, but it's coming off an injury and they bring back

Marcus Epps.

Like, okay, I understand that move.

And Michael Carter, like we just don't know what he's going to offer them.

Probably not enough.

It's definitely not enough.

Yeah.

No, especially with McCuba.

When we talked about locker clean out day, he seemed on track.

He was going to be ready for training here, but that is a gruesome big time injury he went

through.

And I just haven't seen enough to, is McCuba a starting caliber safety?

Yes.

Is Epps at times?

Yes.

I'm not going to solidify your secondary, no, and I don't see enough big play potential

there.

I was fine with getting rid of Cindy Brown.

I think he is a key special teams contributor.

I don't trust him.

As a starting safety, I think he makes too many mistakes.

I think in a perfect world.

To me, I like the idea of a trade better than a draft here.

Interesting.

Well, so that's the thing at safety.

It's considered to be a pretty deep class.

So that could mean you draft one, but that calls me around maybe.

Yeah, but that also means that like maybe another team drafts a safety, they have a veteran

on the roster.

And then that veteran becomes available for a trade because McCuba is still too young.

Yeah.

And I think that's where like Reed's value was last year was being kind of the blue guy

of the secondary.

And look, I think his place suffered because he had to take that on, but they don't have

that right now.

And your hope is that like, all right, you have McCuba in your two.

He's further along his development.

He's able to kind of live on his own a little bit better.

But yeah, I mean, Epps could be that, but he's a lesser version of Reed Blackenship.

Much so, especially the playmaking ability.

So I like your idea there of trading it your guy, one that you can count on.

And then I think you can spend a lower draft pick on building this for past this year.

Because past this year, it's going to be a massive issue.

Well, McCuba one day get paid probably is Epps.

No.

Yeah.

And another element of this is like, they've done this before where, all right, let's see

what we have in training camp.

Like they don't add a big player.

Maybe they draft a safety in round four.

They bring them all to camp and they say, all right, McCuba is one of our starters.

Survival of the fittest.

Yeah.

You say, all right, Epps, Michael Carter, rookie, whoever, you're competing for the other

job.

Take a long look at it and training camp.

Oh, no, this is the key ring of experiment.

It is.

It is.

I can't live through another one.

Yeah.

So, like, I'm looking at past experience and I think that, like, that could be the play

is like, get in the camp, see what we have.

If it's not good enough, try to make the trade for decor and benefit.

I know that didn't work out, but there's like a route where I think that could be the

process.

Well, that is, unfortunately, the reality of this situation is that we make this list.

We stand by it.

Everyone can see that they are glaring needs.

You can't address every single one perfectly.

Yeah, it's like, there's going to be one where it's like, you know, what we got to plug

and play.

We're back last season where every single day, we stood with our mics and we said, who's

going to win the job?

And yeah, that might be safety this year, which will be brutal.

Yeah.

But you can't address everything.

Yeah, it's funny.

Like, we get spoiled because from 2022 on, the Eagles roster has just been so stacked.

If they look around the league, you don't get great players at every position.

No.

You have to kind of figure out some have to be by committee and prioritize it.

So, it looks like safety might be that spot this year, which I'd rather that be safety

than past rush.

Yeah, or to me, I'd rather that be safety than CB2, like it was last year.

Yeah, that was, yeah.

Because that really makes everything suffer.

But because Quinion is so strong, I don't think you saw it as much as you could have.

But that is pretty crazy to think about last year that you went into a position of that

much importance not having a guy.

Yeah, and they tried, like, I mean, they changed every week.

They brought in Giorin Bennett, late in the summer, they obviously gave Keeley where

you go every chance.

Then they brought in Giorin Alexander.

They were going to bring in Darius Slay, like, they were trying everything they could.

And then, like, eventually Adori was okay.

Yeah.

And when Giorin Alexander was brought in, he had a bit of relief, like, he's the answer.

I for even forget that that happened last year.

Like, it's crazy to look at the merry go round.

That was that.

They guys retire on them last year.

Jeez.

How many teams can say that?

Yeah, pretty wild.

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the draft.

Joining me today, Ashlyn Sullivan, our lovely Flyers pre and post game host, So Flyers,

we talked about how well they're playing.

So you guys have a segment on your podcast, Flyers Talk podcast, Dump and Chase.

Yes.

It'll be very fun.

And yeah, it was brought to me and I said, well, I like that idea.

Let's do that for football.

We can apply it.

We can figure it out.

So basically, you get it, Dump, you dump it, Chase, you chase it, you want it, you think

it's a good idea.

Yeah, hockey puck on the ice, we're Dump, we're racing.

It's really Dump or Chase, I guess.

There we go.

But basically, in a more fun term, yes or no?

Yes.

Yeah.

So I wrote down 15 statements, I'll let you just pick a number.

We can kind of go out of order.

This is really fun.

Yeah.

Number, I will read the statement and you give me Dump or Chase.

Eight.

Eight.

Number eight, Jalen Carter will get a contract extension before week eight, before week

one, sorry.

Let's see what we can.

Oh, it's reading the number on my screen.

Before week one.

Chase, I think you see the track record of Howie Brosman, which again, I think speaks volumes

of why Jalen Hertz hasn't gotten that extension.

Howie doesn't like this being questioned.

He doesn't like us talking about it.

He doesn't like the ifsans or buts that's going to get worked out.

Jalen Carter, even with the injuries and the lack of consistency at times, has shown

me he is a player.

You cannot let leave your building.

So I think it's addressed before the season starts so that we know it and we go forward.

I do too.

I'm honestly a little surprised that hasn't happened yet.

I kind of thought when they paid Jordan Davis, this was going to be right around the corner.

It's going to be a massive.

I think he's going to reset the market right now.

It's Chris Jones.

He's the only defensive tackle over 30 million per year.

This is a market that needs to be reset.

It's kind of crazy when you look at the edge rusher contracts versus the defensive tackle

contracts.

The defensive tackles have to catch up and like we're seeing it with Dexter Lawrence

now in New York.

He wants a new deal.

He's a 22 mil per season.

He could maybe reset it, but he's got to figure out where he's going to play and if they're

going to trade him or what not.

Jalen Carter.

I think it's going to be, you know, 33, 35 million a year and that's just what it's

going to be.

But I do think it's going to get done.

I think 35 million a year sounds just right.

And maybe that's why it's taking so long as they aren't getting to that number.

Yeah.

His agent's working hard and it's just it's a player, it would be brutal to see him leave

the building.

Yeah.

I don't think they can ever let that happen.

No.

Whatever it costs, you could question paying that individual or their questions about

his maturity.

That's come up in before they drafted him.

It's come up.

It makes me nervous when he's been here, but he's just such a good player that I don't

care almost.

It's worth the money.

And where you didn't have those questions about Jordan Davis, I do think we got to give

Jalen Carter another year to answer the questions that we have worries about him.

But overall, yeah, I'm worried about giving a player like him that much money because

at times he doesn't show me that he can stay healthy, that he's consistent enough.

At times, you question the effort, the passion that is there where you never had that question

with Jordan Davis.

It's definitely worries them, but that's sealing the talent is worth $35 million.

I don't think anyone can argue that a few years ago, more than a few years ago, one

of the biggest contracts he goes have given out Fletcher Cox, it happened in the summer.

And I still remember, I'm the only person who like cares about this stuff.

I was on vacation.

I was actually in Yellowstone National Park without service.

And I get back.

Of course.

And I, and I see a, I missed it.

But that's why Ruben and I stagger our vacations, you know, someone's always on.

All right.

So that was number eight.

Shoot me another number here.

Two.

Number two, the Eagles take an offensive tackle in the first round.

Chase.

And I think that while I would love to see past rush, I think like we talked about with

Lane Johnson's replacements.

And I think it just stacks up like we talked about with Kate and Proctor them having a couple

of options there.

I think you're going to get a couple of options, offensive tackle, lower first round that

all makes sense that you can convince yourself would make sense.

Yeah.

I'm with you.

We kind of talked about offensive tackle.

So we won't hang on that too long.

But I think it's the most likely position for sure.

All right.

Another number.

Five.

I'm going to start writing down what numbers are.

Five.

Number five.

We'll always love you.

Jalen Phillips is the free agent departure.

The Eagles will miss most.

Dump.

Hmm.

I think they're going to miss Nicobie more.

Yeah.

And it's the tricky one because they obviously have an in house replacement for Nicobie.

Was I don't really have it?

I guess Phillips.

No, it makes sense.

Yeah.

But Nicobie.

He meant so much to this team.

Like the spirit of that defense was Nicobie Dean.

Yes.

And Zach Bond being Zach Bond and playing to his level was Nicobie Dean.

And unfortunately, I do think similar to what we talk about with Reed Blank and ship

where he had to worry about so much because he was the guy.

Nicobie Dean was the green dot.

Nicobie Dean was that quarterback of the defense at times.

And now to put this on Zach Bond, I do think you might see a dip in playing Zach because

of this.

Yeah.

I think we maybe saw that a little bit last year and Zach played great.

But it's a splash plays weren't necessarily there as much.

Like when Nicobie and Zach were 100% together, that was when this defense was at its best.

And if we're talking about their past rush, maybe not being great, Nicobie was instant

past rush.

Right.

Let's them through the eight gap.

And I'm not saying Jared Campbell can't do that, but we don't have the proof of concept

yet.

And that's it's I understand why it had to happen, why it happened, but they will miss

Nicobie.

Yeah.

For sure.

All right.

Next number.

We've gone two five eight so far.

I know.

This is going to get 12.

12.

Vante Smith would thrive as a wide receiver one.

Chase.

I'd like to see him be given the opportunity, which she just might hear Philadelphia.

He just to him, his availability, his consistency, his big play.

Do you have to pair him in unique fashion?

I think yes, obviously you have to have bigger bodies around him, like a Johnny Wilson,

who I hope can come back in full capacity, pairing that second receiver.

I think it's key with Devante.

More so than any other team, right, because he's such a unique player.

But I'd like to see him give him the chance.

Yeah, I think he, even if he's wide receiver two this year, him and this offense is a lot

of fun.

Yeah.

They've just scratched you go back and watch when Alabama and all the unique things they

did with him.

And then he comes affiliate.

It's like these stagnant formations, it's like there's so much more that he can do.

I think he's an excellent player.

He's one of the most underrated players on the Eagles and one of the ones that I feel

like has not reached his full potential even slightly, which is crazy when you look at

what he's already done.

Also one of the most well-liked athletes in this city.

Yes.

Find someone to say a bad word about Devante Smith.

I can't.

Good luck.

Yes.

Okay, so we've gone to five, eight and 12, 15, 15, the Eagles will draft a rookie starter

in the first round.

So this is a like multi-layered one because he had a figure out the position player, is

that player?

And we'll consider a starter or someone who starts, who's a regular starter.

Like, we'll say they start 10 plus games this year.

It'd have to be a starter, it'd have to be past rush.

Dump.

Dump, okay.

Because I really think they're going to go offense line and you don't have to obviously

with Lane Johnson.

Now, I don't think it's crazy to say it as Lane Johnson missed some time in this year.

I hope not.

Maybe this prospect becomes a starter, but no, I think the Eagles are one of the few organizations

that just seem to consistently hit on this where they don't need their first round draft

pick.

Like Jihad Campbell to be a plug and play guy.

Like, they're not that desperate.

Yeah, I agree with that one.

If we're talking about offensive tackle, these line up for you because you picked up for

you.

I see what you're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's try to catch you if you didn't fall for it there.

All right.

Number two, five, eight, 12 and 15 are off the board.

Number one.

Jalen Hertz is on thin ice going into 2026.

Gosh, this is the topic of everything.

I'm going to dump that ice.

Did you see what I did with the thin ice though?

The hockey.

There we go.

Dump her chase.

I can't get behind it.

He's a Super Bowl MVP quarterback.

The whole not getting an extension, I think, is telling.

I keep going back to a conversation.

Jalen Hertz had with Barrett Brooks and I was just standing close by it training camp

this year.

Barrett asked Jalen, is this your offense or is this the Eagles offense?

And Jalen said, this is my offense.

They're building around my strengths.

I think if Jalen refuses and refuses a strong word, if Jalen shows hesitancy to adapt

and is so adamant, this has to be Jalen Hertz's offense, I think he will be on thin ice

next year.

But I have to think we give him the benefit of the doubt that he will be able to adapt

and show some flexibility here with a new offensive scheme.

If he can't, then I think this is a very much conversation next season.

But I'm not going to get behind this right now when the guy was a Super Bowl MVP two

seasons ago.

Yeah, it's like, we know they can win with him because they won with it, they win a lot

with him.

Now, I guess going forward, it's a question of how much are his preferences holding back

the potential of the offense, like, especially with the new offense.

I think that is a valid question, but for right now, I agree with you, not on thin ice.

He is their franchise quarterback.

Now, if things really go south this year, then, you know, everything's on the topic.

And that's why I think it makes sense why they haven't given the extension.

And I think people read the tea leaves there.

I just always go back to when people ask me this question and get bullish that he's not

the guy.

I'm like, what would you like to go get?

What would be the better option here?

Yeah.

Now, like, I do understand, like, he makes a lot of money already.

You're going to have to pay him a lot to keep him, but he's also really good.

And like, we get some bog down with like, where does he rank on this list?

Like, we can watch football and say, man, Justin Herbert looks like a better quarterback.

But is he?

Like, and it's he available.

The main goal is the winning game.

Right.

And if you can win with this guy, you keep doing it.

I would like to see Jalen.

And as funny as it said, I always say, despite the record breaking amount of turnover

he had, that game against the chargers, I thought was the best this offense looked.

And there was times where I wish he would be more open to just slinging it.

And just making it more explosive, because that's where I actually thought the offense

looked best, even with all the turnovers.

There's just, I think, Ciriani and Jalen, they pound the stat into our heads every single

week about the turnover margin.

It can't be that big of a focus this year.

Yeah.

It's fascinating though, because on one hand, you're right, like, there have to be moments

where he's willing to let a ripple a little bit more.

We get it.

You don't want to turn it over.

But my God.

The turnovers are a big deal.

They have a great defense.

And that backs it up.

Yeah.

It's a tricky one.

So one, two, five, eight, 12, 15 off the board.

Four.

Number four, the flyers will clinch a playoff birth.

Yes.

Chase.

Chase.

I like that.

I think with four games left, I just think as a whole, they're going in the right direction.

All the teams below them are going in the opposite direction.

Momentum is a big thing around the playoffs.

Flyers got it.

We've seen it in football.

The hot team normally gets in.

Just think it's time.

Will they get past the first round?

I'm going to dump that.

If you have any flyers fan, hey, they're going to get in the playoffs this year.

It's probably going to be against the penguins.

Like anyone would sign up for that.

Okay.

I'll take that.

What do you think, Dave?

Yeah.

I'm chasing that.

Yeah.

I'm definitely chasing that.

I'm on board.

I'm fired up.

Like it.

All right.

Give me another number here.

I forget.

Seven.

I say seven.

Seven is on the board.

Here we go.

How we roseman has a big.

And you have to figure out like what that means.

You're going to have to face the next-genreterized conversation.

I think it's perfect.

It's a little bit boring.

I mean, first of all, I was going to say no big trade.

You're a professional sportsman.

I think a very...

Oh, my!

Well, if I had to tell you something, I don't know.

I mean, it's the best way.

Yes.

They had to tell me what was the best strategy,

non-AJ trade in him this off season.

They known-AJ trade...

What is a big trade?

Could it be...

Grenade.

I would classify that.

Chase.

Chase.

But I think it'll happen at a time we least expect it.

how he roseman not make a move during free agency.

It's like, that's it.

He's not going to dress as like how he does not operate

on your timeline.

And that is why he is one of if not the best GM in football.

I think they will see in training camp,

especially at past rush.

Even if they spend a high draft pick,

I expect they will spend big money on a past rush.

OK.

So I'm going to flip this now and tell you

well, you have left.

You have three, six, nine, 10, 11, 13, and 14 left.

14.

JLX Hunt will lead the team in SACS in 2026 like he did in 2025.

Chase.

And I bullish on JLX.

I bullish on JLX.

So that's going to be given more of an opportunity.

I just think this player has such a high ceiling.

He's only going to get better.

And it just goes to show.

Look at how Vic Fangio is trusting him, right?

I think covering Vic and being able to go to his press conferences.

I know we both love this.

You know exactly where a player stands under Vic Fangio.

And for Vic Fangio to give him the playing time and the snaps

and the opportunities shows that he sees more of him, too.

I think the opposite could be said for someone like Anolan Smith.

So I think Fangio sees the potential

and it's only going to go up from here.

Yeah, it's tough to put a ceiling on JLX Hunt.

Yes.

He's been so fun to cover.

And just give him more opportunities, build around him.

And that's why I think it's fascinating when you look at the difference

of how you feel about a player when it comes to Nolan Smith and him.

Three, six, nine, 10, 11, 13 available.

13, 13.

Jake Elliott will rebound in 2026.

Dump.

And I'm sorry.

Sorry that I say that.

It's seen enough.

I've seen enough.

I wish it would have been addressed.

And I just don't think it's good enough.

I don't think it's consistent enough.

I understand what he's done in the past.

But this is what have you done for me lately, league?

And I was frankly surprised by this.

Yeah, the contract is like a big reason for this.

Now, if they get into the season and he's really struggling, all bets are off.

Like you can't lose games this year because you don't have a kicker, right?

You have to figure that out at a certain point.

I understand what they did.

They guaranteed the money and basically said to him, you're our kicker this year.

But look, if it's week six and he's really struggling and they lose a big game

because of him, you can't let it keep going like that.

Right.

And money will become an afterthought at that point because it's such an

crucial important position, which is why I get why they had to do this

because of the contract.

I would have at least liked to see some competition brought in, which maybe they

still will a trading camp.

Just even though we got paid, I don't think rules out that they don't bring in

someone.

I just think it's unlikely because they've already kind of told us that he's the

kicker with the money.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I understand your point on that because it's really been two years now where he hasn't

played that level.

I thought this would be more of like a training camp battles a little too aggressive,

but at least give us the option to call it that.

Okay, three, six, nine, 10, 11, 11, I'm going to go back.

Let's go.

11.

Sean Manion was the right choice at offensive coordinator.

Up.

Ooh.

That's a big one.

It is.

Yeah.

I didn't like it.

Okay.

And I hope I'm proven wrong.

I think with the Eagles being in such win now mode, when you look at what they

have paid and you look at paying sake one Barclay and when you look at the

conversation with Jalen.

The Eagles aren't in a position.

I think that can afford to risk this.

And I have great hesitation giving the keys, the Ferrari to someone that has never driven

the car before.

I would have liked the more born pick, the safer pick.

I would have liked the table.

I would have liked the McDaniel.

I would have liked anyone that has done it before.

And that's what I don't love about this is just you're giving someone a chance and it

could be fantastic.

He could be the next Sean McVey, his ceiling so high.

What if he can't do it?

What if he doesn't have the skill set?

It's a fair question.

Maybe that's why they've stocked the staff with Josh Grzard and and draw Johnson guys

who have coached at a really high level.

But that doesn't.

I would have liked to see that flip, like get the guy that's done it and then build around

the creativity.

Okay.

So during the offensive coaching search process, I came up with what I call the Matt Naggy

line of demarcation.

So all the candidates above Matt Naggy had all the things you were looking for.

They had experience, innovation, all the ones below him were either not good candidates

or they were big swings.

And we got to a point in the process where all the guys above him were gone.

And I was like, all right, at this point, I'd take the big swing.

Which I agree.

I'm fine with.

At a certain point, I was like, all right, you don't want Matt Naggy to go higher the next

thing if you can try it.

It is a risk.

At that point, I think the Eagles, they were forced into a hand where they had to take

a risk.

We all know what a risk means.

This could fall on its face.

And you could have wasted another season where you have Sequan Barkley, possibly AJ Brown,

Jalen Hertz still at a somewhat cheapish value.

Lane Johnson.

You're going to waste lanes last year.

Yeah.

And a great defense.

And you could waste it by a net play collar.

Yeah.

All right.

You have 369 and 10 left.

10.

10.

Wade Tanner McKee.

Chase.

I think we'll see enough.

I think it'll be week three, week four.

A team becomes desperate.

I think Tanner, given the right situation and built around properly, can be a starting

quarterback.

In this league, the way he carries himself, the way he communicates his leadership ability,

I'm a big fan of Tanner McKee.

And I think he was put into an unfair situation.

Last season in that regular season, start with no one on the field and a coaching staff

that already have questions if they could do this and the health of the offensive line.

I just, I don't really put a lot of merit in that one game.

He started it.

And I've seen enough in preseason training camp to know that he could do this.

Fair enough.

And I like to use said during the season, because that is very possible.

You know, we always talk about a trade, is it going to happen in the off season in training

camp?

There's a trade deadline in the middle of the season, how he is, and I think you'll

get your most market for that because teams will get that.

Potentially.

Like, especially if there's an injury.

Yeah.

Which will happen.

Or is it going to be that, to what doesn't work out?

Or, you know, there's, there's so many questions around the league right now with these

quarterbacks.

I've never seen a year where it's more of a carousel.

There's so many teams that need a quarterback and there's so many teams that don't have

answers.

More than I've ever seen in an off season.

Fair enough.

Three, six, nine, nine.

Jordan Davis is the funniest current eagle.

Trying to think I'm going around the room.

I always have to think of like where they are in their lockers to like picture there.

I do too.

Dump.

Dump.

Are you taking my Lada?

Okay, Jordan, my Lada.

I think my Lada, I think Jordan Davis is more goofy and like, personable and bigger personality.

My Lada, just the way he operates day to day, cracks me up.

Okay.

He's such a unique individual and when my Lada makes a Fred Johnson's also up there, he's

funny.

I wonder if he could take Fred.

I think just that corner, at times I think Jordan is more like charismatic, goofy, but my

Lada is funnier to me.

If Slay was still in the team, his one liners, it's like they would, they would end you.

All right.

We have three and six left.

Six.

Jihad Campbell will take a big jump in year two.

He's dumb.

Oh, wow.

I'm not sold on it.

Okay.

They think he takes steps in the right direction.

Yes.

Will he make you look at that Nakoby trade and say, oh, they're all right.

They're fine.

Look at what he did.

No.

I think Billy will hurt from this.

I think it'll be a noticeable, I just think you're not going to see the results you want

right away.

Maybe by week 10, we'll feel a little better about this.

But I think we will be talking about this the first two months of the season.

Like, what did they do here?

Maybe.

Yeah.

So the, any other part of this is the shoulder injury for Campbell, which is concerning

because that's what dropped him to the Eagles range in the draft last year.

Is he going to be healthy enough to be on the field first and then to continue his development?

Real questions.

I am still very, very bullish on Jihad Campbell.

Ruben, I, you're, you kind of are with Ruben a little bit more, yeah, because he wants to

see it.

And I get that.

I saw enough good signs, encouraging signs from Campbell in year one that I think there's

going to be a big jump in year two.

I see the, the concept now, are they going to miss the Kobe?

I think they will.

But I think Campbell offers them a lot in areas that the Kobe didn't, who's ceiling is

much higher.

I agree.

Is ceilings higher?

I think like the idea of the rangeiness of, of Campbell and Zach Bond in the middle of

the defense is really exciting in terms of past coverage.

It might take some time, but I, I'm still very bullish on Jihad Campbell and I love that

we save number three, because I want a one word answer.

Number three, AJ Brown will be on the Eagles in week one.

No way.

This is the last one.

Yeah.

I love that we saved it.

AJ Brown will be on the Eagles week one.

Dub.

Fair enough.

That has been dumb and chase.

That was fun.

You guys do that on a flyer stop.

It is very fun.

See, adopt it.

Yeah.

You can bring it on to you live.

I don't know if it makes sense.

Other than this context, if we're just doing random hockey terms, we could find a different

terminology for it, like quick kidders.

Plus, like, Rube, I think will be very good at just yesterday.

No questions.

Yeah.

Sometimes I'll be like, no, but actually explain what.

And he'll be like, no.

This is what I feel.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that was fun.

And thank you for joining us.

Absolutely.

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Actually, when I finish the pod with Rube, I always ask him if he has anything on his

mind.

And it's normally about like an indie band or track and field.

So if you have anything, of course, those two.

Yeah.

I'm a little annoyed about my coat being brought back out.

Today, I'm trying to get over it and try not to complain about it any longer.

But this has to be the end of the 30 days.

You look ahead at the weather.

I think it's getting warmer.

This is it.

And I don't.

I do have one thing for you because you're on tiktok and I have a tiktok now.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

Very good.

No one.

I feel like such an old man.

No one told me about tiktok shop.

Yes.

I'm getting.

You have to be very careful.

Man.

There.

I am sending.

I ordered a belt the other day.

I don't need a belt.

But it doesn't have holes.

It's just like a, like a clicky belt.

Yep.

Yeah.

I don't need a belt.

Maybe I ordered some shorts.

This is bad.

It is bad.

Yeah.

I'm like my parents in front of QVC.

Just ordering.

And it's like.

They make it so easy.

Click of the button.

Yep.

And it's going to be at my door.

And there's times I forget even when I ordered.

I'm like, what is this?

Why did I pick?

I don't even need to send you more.

Yeah.

No one warned me about tiktok shop.

I like that you're on tiktok.

I'm going to start seeing some collabs coming.

I want to do it.

It starts.

Yeah.

It was funny.

I was on a vacation.

I thought about.

I was like sitting in the car like a tiktok influencer.

And I didn't do it.

We'll get you there.

All right.

That's it for this eagle eye podcast brought to you by Nissan

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I'm Dave Zingaro.

Rub back next week.

We'll talk to you soon.