Pod-A-Thon 26'! Stephanie and Lucie Birmingham! Politics-Crime-Serial Killers-Life!

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Hey everybody, he picked him up, got to talk Lucy, got to talk, sort of pick you up.

I'll have to talk to pick me up.

Yep, talking to pick you up.

There you go.

One more time, there you go.

Say, get on my mic.

Check, check, check.

Check, check, check.

Hello.

I don't get you.

There I am.

Delay.

Delay, so if somebody stops talking, it pulls them off.

Gotcha.

I was wasting time.

So Stephanie is a little, a little concerned.

I've never been on the radio and I've been on the radio since 84.

Yeah.

Never without headphones.

This is first.

So I don't, I'm trusting, trusting you.

You're trusting the sound.

Yeah.

The sound guy.

Yeah.

I'm your screwed.

Let's see how it sounds.

Am I okay?

Here we go.

Yeah.

The sound guy.

Yeah.

Look at that.

Sounds butamus.

What did I tell you about?

Well, I've never been on the radio.

Here we go.

All right.

We have people tuning back in.

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Every eight hours.

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You can't do a longer Facebook show more than eight hours.

So at one o'clock, right before one, I shut it down.

I'll have to shut it down again at nine.

But come right back to the same page is because we just go back and do it again.

I'm a crackest door because it's a little hot.

There we go.

Stephanie Birmingham, Lucy Birmingham, mother daughter.

A duo.

My question to either one of you is why in the hell would y'all want to do something like this?

Why would you want to get in trouble coming on here and giving opinions?

Especially you.

It's something I'm not used to doing.

I'll tell you that I keep my mouth shut.

I don't like to ruffle any feathers.

Just kidding.

I'm so happy to have you.

I was looking over her.

You've raised a lot.

From those of you who are back in the day, she is me at that age on steroids.

There's nothing.

I mean, apple tree.

I get it.

No deluxe.

She's deluxe.

And a little opinionated.

How could she not be that way?

But yeah, she came for me.

She did.

But here's the question that I was going to ask in all sincerity to Lucy.

You came up in a home that was clearly conservative.

There was Christian like I did.

But at some point in time, at what point do you make a decision in my this way?

Because my parents told me to be this way.

Or in my this way.

Because all my parents friends are this way.

And I grew.

Or in my this way because it makes sense.

And I can't even tell you when that happened for me that you were inundated.

A lot earlier than I was with political public opinions with maybe on the radio and doing this.

What happened?

How did you get that way?

How the hell did you end up the way you are, lady?

It doesn't make any sense.

Well, I can say as a young adult.

I did take the time to actually ask myself.

Am I this way because I grew up this way and my mom and dad are this way?

or is this what I truly, actually believe,

is this what I line with?

And I went through it all,

whether it be pro-life, conservative liberals,

economy, social issues,

and it turns out that I just so happen

to agree with everything that aligns

with the conservative beliefs.

So I made that decision for myself.

And I think I would have made that decision

if I grew up in a liberal household.

I align with everything the conservative party does.

But you know, well, I don't agree with that,

but also I don't know, I don't know,

I don't know how to apologize in court.

I know you're not either,

but I don't really apologize

that I influenced the way my kids were raised.

I mean, maybe sometimes there's sometimes,

maybe I look at my kids and I go,

maybe I'm not super proud of that trait.

Maybe I shouldn't have done that.

But for overall, when I see them,

I always think it's really odd

when we say propaganda is a bad thing.

I mean, listen, we are all air quote brainwashed for something.

I like being brainwashed pro-America.

I like being brainwashed for the Christian perspective.

I like being brainwashed for that stuff.

Yes.

That's okay.

If that's what you call it, that's what you call it.

Because we're all gonna get influenced by something.

So a lot of times we're just picking the things

that we're influenced by.

I don't apologize for that.

No, I don't either.

And you know, of course I think my opinions are right.

They're my opinions.

That's why I think they're right.

Everybody thinks their opinions are right.

But I can back them up with history.

I can back them up with common sense.

I can back them up by looking at the other side

but I have gotten sick and tired of being the party

of politeness.

Now, with that said, I've got no desire to go

peeing people's yards and egg people and see hats are

get out and I'm dead.

I'm not.

Wait, is peeing people's yards a thing now?

Well, it was.

That was I think their first go round

and Trump won't point out that yeah, just.

They just peed in the wrong yards.

They just do.

I just peed in her own.

I guess I would have used the eggs.

But it's you know, you could clearly look

at these sets of just crazy, crazy temper tantrum actions.

You know, well, that's the left.

That's the right doesn't behave that way.

Sometimes you have exceptions to everything is a podcaster.

You have to give the caveat.

But with that said, that is not how we behave.

Not a bit.

And that's why when it happens like a January 6th,

that's why it's used for five years.

Right.

You know, it's why they have to go look back there.

You know, are you mean that thing way back there?

I got on it.

Before we do that, can we look at yesterday?

Yeah, can we quit referencing January 6th every time

anything comes up and look at what you guys are consistently

doing every time something doesn't go your way?

They're emoting.

They're doing nothing, but emoting.

They're living in their emotions and every whatever

their pet issue is.

That's why I was really glad to hear you say you looked

at the issues.

You made a decision independently of your parent's homes

to, here's what I, let's look at this, the pro life you

mentioned, guns, economy, whatever it happens to be.

And you made a choice rather than being so caught up

in the emotions of one thing, whatever it is, that may

have influenced you.

You had a bad experience at a Christian school.

And so you go shoot up the Christian school.

That happened in Nashville.

Sorry, somebody had a bad experience.

Well, she should have been put to death, only the police

took care of that for her.

And people defended her.

What do you think is going to happen when you take a rifle

into a school and shoot kids' point blank and keep

shooting at the police and they shoot you?

Yeah, that's exactly what they should have done.

It's not an excuse for that.

No, it isn't.

People unable to control themselves.

They shouldn't be able to participate in society

in the opinion.

Well, and a lot of this too, it's the project.

It's not just a voting.

It's also projecting.

You're the party of this.

You're the party of that.

And I'll say it, and I'll become more probably,

Lucy, do me a favor.

Take your arm and just swing it that way.

Just push that perfect.

And then you can lean into it a little bit.

Thanks.

No, so I've become the guy that says, I voted for Trump twice.

Three, I mean, I voted for Trump 12 times to get it.

No, but I voted every time he ran.

And I've reason I voted for him.

I didn't vote for him because he was the best

politician, a perfect politician.

I didn't vote for him because I liked his rhetoric.

I know he's an asshole.

I know he said things I disagree with.

I've never known anybody.

I love my kids more than anybody on the planet.

I disagree with him a lot.

So voting for someone doesn't mean I get to check all their boxes.

I have to agree in a line.

But the reason I voted for him and I'm getting to a point is

because I agree with a lot of his policies

and I knew where he was going.

I may not always agree that he gets there.

I don't mind looking at somebody and going.

He shouldn't call the reporter Piggy.

Miss Piggy, you're right.

That's an asshole move.

I disagree with that.

I disagree when he talks about the death of somebody.

I don't like it when I think that was a bad look.

Well, that guy did that doesn't matter.

It's a Robert Mueller.

Yeah, I thought that was a polling

and I'll be the first one to call him out on that.

That was without excuse.

That's that's that's it.

Policy wise, he's still right.

And I think the dog and pony show we had going on before

that is a better way to do it.

Yeah, how much is he trying to fix

and still being bucked at every minute?

Well, Liberals don't want to look at the bigger picture.

They don't want to look at policies.

They want to look at what hurts their feelings

and how his words make them feel

and what he tweeted about six years ago.

Rather, what he's doing for the country

and the fact that he's an astounding businessman

and makes really smart, educated decisions.

None of that matters to them

because he hurts their feelings.

He hurts their feelings

and they get into that it's getting Trump.

I mean, it became so much the whole body

that it's very serious about getting Trump

and gender politics.

And that's it.

We talked about this day when Jeff and Bill Lawkart came in

and we kind of ran through.

And I'm a big believer on,

I'm going to critique my party

harsher than you are.

Yes, yes.

And I think Bill, I'll give Bill credit.

He critiqued the Democrats as hard as I would have.

And I think, oh, yeah, absolutely.

He really said, here's what they're doing wrong.

He goes, you have to be, you have to be a party

that's more than we hate that guy

because right now they're not telling us what they're for.

Right.

And he said that and we're like, well,

and so let me put where I think the conservatives are.

I see us tearing ourselves apart

because we're going to have to have identity after Trump.

And it can't just be maggot is Trump.

If you do that, it's going to be issues.

We need to take this window of time

and figure out what the conservative movement looks like

minus a personality.

And that to me is where the angst comes

because I'll be honest with you.

I don't like Trump at the time.

But I didn't vote for say,

it's not a popularity contest for me.

I voted for guy to do a job.

And so if you're telling me I have to agree with everything,

I'm going to be in trouble

because I don't agree with anybody on everything.

But when you also tell me that I then am a racist

or a fascist or something

because I voted for God,

I'm like, wait a minute, I'll say,

I thought we were adults and we're only voting

for the options I have.

I didn't have you on the ballot or you on the ballot.

You didn't have me on the ballot.

We had who we had on the ballot.

Right.

So between the two options, both imperfect,

I like my imperfect option better than you're imperfect.

Absolutely.

Period.

And the Trump's centrity of both sides,

I clearly see it on both sides.

But the liberals who had made their pathological,

daily expressions of hatred for Trump,

their way of life and thinking,

and that is it.

If you try to get them,

the women's team won the gold.

Didn't that, yeah, do you see what Trump did?

I wonder what they're going to do

when Trump is out of office.

They're, I'm afraid they're genuinely curious.

It's a very good question

because what is the next ticket going to look like?

I mean, it could very conceivably be advanced.

Rubio looking ticket.

And they've already talking about them,

like they are Trump.

It's always, they're,

whoever's been on them,

they're going to be.

Here's the thing,

they're not going to piss people off

as badly as Trump does.

Neither one of them,

because what I hear inevitably,

when it's Republican at least,

you know, they're the president.

So whoever it is, he's awful.

And then you say, okay, well, we, you know,

we could have Mike Pence.

He's worse.

Okay.

So JD Manz is more eloquently spoken.

So speaks more eloquently.

And he's not going to piss people off.

And right, they both are.

Are they going to do a better job?

Maybe.

Are they going to do as good of a job?

Sure.

But it's going to be more effective

because they're not going to be as divisive.

They're not going to get in their own way.

They're not going to get Trump is his own worst enemy.

You were not talked about this.

You needed to have Twitter taken away

from him.

He is absolutely.

As a matter of fact, you should treat it like a kid,

tell him he's on Twitter.

And then he sees it.

But it's not on Twitter.

It's like, exactly, I'll tell you what I think.

When you make your daughter a YouTube channel

because they want to get famous,

but you're the only subscriber, 100%.

That's exactly what's going on.

And you know, you asked what the next party would look like.

They spent the entire entire Biden administration.

We had to get Trump get Trump get.

They kept him in the news.

They kept him in the news.

That engender get Trump back in the office.

Well, all he did is many people.

That's how they get the United States to pay for.

That's what they did.

So the next time we're going to have somebody in there,

and I believe the next person who you talked about,

Bill Lockhart calling his party down,

there was a wonderful interview

with James Carvell and Bill Maher.

They did the same thing.

Both of them, well, James Carvell is kind of wacky.

Bill Maher, to me, is extremely reasonable.

He'll work with both parties.

He'll say, Democrats, you've got it wrong.

They called out the woke.

Both of them did.

I was a little surprised that Carvell did, but he did.

He said it's just the team percent chance of any Democrat.

We've been mitts to being a woke or anything with woke.

It's killing the party and it is because the truth is

there are very, very reasonable Democrats.

Let's face it, there are things they do better.

Not very many, but there are things they do better.

And if we can't work together with them,

if we can't have the security of the nation,

the economy, the military, law and order,

and the compassion that needs to come with social issues,

we've failed.

The character of the country has failed.

And we should be able to do more than one thing.

Yes, absolutely.

I should be able to close the border and not be caught

or racist and get the illegals out of the country

and take care of those who are here that need some help.

Right.

And I'm, I'm, I'm, I get people to disagree with me

because I'm a conservative.

But if you came here when you were eight

and you had no choice in your 17 or 18.

You're an innocent victim.

Let's figure that out.

And the problem with it was conservatives

and calling out my own party is, no, no, listen,

that's how you lose people.

All you have to do is look at someone and go,

that's not their fault.

Now, their parents, you all got to make some decisions

to your boys and girls because it is your fault.

But just 17.

They're victim of a crime, they shouldn't be punishful.

So let's put them, let's find a way.

Yeah, but on the other hand,

that their parents should be the ones

who are, who are having to deal with that.

Not our country because their parents chose to bring them

here illegally.

Do you feel that they should have to go back

with their parents or do you feel like someone

who comes here as an innocent child victim

of their parents known chosen crime?

Should they have a clearer path to citizenship

and easier path to citizenship?

Fast, right.

Then somebody you didn't come here illegally

at their own free will.

That would be like a saying, Lucy,

surprise, you're born in Norway, figure it out.

You know, it didn't happen.

Right, eight years old, not at 33.

Right.

I think that whatever we do,

however we chose to deal with it as a country,

it would reflect negatively on us

and not that person's parents

because they're the ones who broke the law,

they're the ones who came here

and brought their family here illegally.

So we're going to get blamed

no matter what choice we make.

And I don't think that part is fair.

There'll be one way or the other.

I'm going to personally,

I'm going to pick the blame that gives the 16 or 17-year-old

a chance to continue to progress

and the 40-year-old parent can say,

bye-bye.

Correct.

You can go with them if you want to have your parents.

So we're not ripping families apart.

No, no, no.

They chose that.

They chose that choice they get to my mom or I'm...

Well, the people who come here,

and you know, I have a coworker,

it might become very fond of

because he and I talk politics.

He made a great point.

The point was securing our border 100%.

But if you want to know where the real problems

are coming in,

why don't you secure the southern border of Mexico?

Think about it.

Oh, yeah.

The worst or the worst

from Central America are coming in there.

And I don't know why we hadn't,

I guess we could just take over Mexico,

but...

Taking over, yeah.

But it's all far at it.

Yeah, but...

Canada's next.

Good points remain.

These are all their ideas, their solutions,

their I hate Trump.

They get up in the morning.

They hate Trump.

They hate Trump.

And they hate you if you support Trump.

You know, they think you're supporting and divinding

if you say, what you're saying isn't factual.

It's non-factual.

You are making this up.

And you just defend everything, Trump.

No, I don't.

Yeah.

No, I'm very outspoken on Facebook

and there are always people in the, me.

And there are always people

that select few people in particular

who always mention my affinity for Trump

and how much I love Trump.

Guess who never brings up Trump?

I don't.

I talk about politics,

but because they know I voted for Trump

because I've worn a MAGA hat,

they can't listen to or understand or converse with me

about anything without it being about Trump.

I don't talk about it.

They cannot do it.

Yeah.

I don't talk about Trump.

So suddenly, you know, I'm going to have an evolution.

But I think, but I don't bring him up.

They're media infrastructure is going to collapse

on his gone.

That 100% believe that because as soon as he becomes,

we saw the reason I think they kept him up

for four years during Biden is because, yeah,

they were, they gave him free advertising.

They don't realize it, but bigger than that,

they lost their clicks.

Yeah.

Nobody cares what MS now or MS then are CNB 12 or CNN,

whatever the stupid alphabet soup,

they don't make cares what they think.

They want, they care what you think about Trump.

They want to hear what they're thinking echoed back to them

from the people that actually have the suits on the mics.

So when he's gone, what do you think?

Rubio.

No, they don't have, there's,

they don't have the ring, they don't fit a face.

And they're more like Obama.

And I don't be missing a bad way.

What I'm saying is we're going to go back hopefully

we'll have politicians who are more statesmen like,

but Obama lied to us in a statesmen like way.

So, you know, I have more flexibility after the election.

You can keep your doctor.

But he said it in a very calm way.

Trump is, you're an asshole.

That guy's a jerk.

He also told you how he feels.

Rubio and Vance, excuse me,

what happened, you wolf down lunch in nine minutes.

But Vance and Rubio have a way of being statesmen like,

and I think hopefully we'll say the truth,

not lies, but they'll send away

where they won't get in their own way without Trump.

I can hope that they, I can only hope that they do

because it's going to, everybody on the other side

is going to say it's going to be Trump 3.0.

It's not going to be anything like that.

It is Vance and Rubio.

They won't let it go for a long time.

We're saying that either party could do it.

It's going to be who's neither party to get

for the liberals to do, for the Democrats

to do nothing that make it all about Trump.

Trump, we got to talk about Trump.

I mean, it's just drone on it.

I don't know how these people put their shoes on.

It's all they think about.

It's not all I think about.

I have a life and happiness and things I do.

They think about Trump.

And while we're on that topic, you asked me how

and when I decided that I was a conservative for myself,

I see a lot of liberals that are just so unable

to get through the day without being miserable

or being upset or discontent.

And everything that happens, it's just like, oh, gosh,

I can't believe this is happening.

Pour me.

How can I blame this on someone else?

And it drives me insane.

They're like, no, they're diagnoses and they're angst.

Wake up, go to work, go home.

Take care of your family.

Quit whining and go to sleep and do it again the next day.

These people who are just so committed to being miserable

and want to tell you about their 74 food allergies

and 64 diagnoses.

Just talk.

They're getting along a lot better with liberals.

That is not to say, I know plenty of liberals

who are sound reasonable reasonably.

Jeff Stiles.

There you go.

That's a good one right here.

Here's the thing about it.

That's a reason, liberal.

Me and Eric, you can and Matthew Durham,

I do, I've been for the people.

Matthew Durham, I said it a bunch as an agnostic.

He came from church, but he's an agnostic.

He start off as very liberal.

He's moved more conservative after COVID.

He's an academic researcher.

Eric is a registered libertarian.

I'm the conservative.

Both, all of us would be conservative now.

Even though we give each other pushback

on our thoughts and ideas, we have asked people,

and we've got a few from braver angels that have tried.

Specifically, Jeff and other people say, listen, come on.

Very civil, sit at this table.

You pick the three or four topics,

whether it's border, the economy, foreign policy,

cultural issues, pick the topic, give us a heads up.

Let's talk, let's talk policy.

Let's just talk policy.

I'm happy to talk about sanctuary cities

and how I think it caused a lot of us

brought that up today to bill.

People aren't just getting snatched off the streets,

and if they are, the only reason they're there

is because sanctuary cities have told run here,

and we're not gonna work with the federal government

to do their job, so they gotta do their job.

They're gonna do it in a way you don't like.

My point is that I can't get people to come in

and just civilly have a conversation.

Because I'm happy to go, you know what, that's a good point.

I didn't think about that.

What if you told them they can't say Trump one time?

They'd have to, you'd have to.

They couldn't do it.

They would be like a thin bot on Austin Powers

when they start malfunctioning.

Or they wouldn't be able to.

They wouldn't be able to do it.

They got to be moat.

I'll stop that, that's it.

That's exactly, that's what we're talking about.

I'll work for him.

Oh, boom gun, that's what we're talking about.

Well, you make a good point though.

It is relatively easy to have a conversation

with someone who disagrees with you

and find common ground on a personal basis.

I think behind the veil of social media,

everyone gets a little more brave.

And it's, you know, a good ground for arguments

and disagreements.

But in reality, if, you know,

I were having a conversation with someone like Jeff Stiles

who's a reasonable person,

we could find a lot of common ground.

You could talk for hours, it'd be,

remain civil, agree on a lot of things,

but you know, you were talking the other day

about the way you feel politically

and getting a little tired of being the party of civility.

I'm not gonna go and stop being civil,

but I'm really tired of,

you can't harass a liberal, they'll, they'll cry,

they'll see you, they'll have a meltdown,

they'll take a pill, they'll get diagnosed.

You can't, and you shouldn't harass people

that you say the wrong thing, you're done.

They can say anything, anything they want.

They can say and do anything.

And if we don't agree, we're racist.

Oh my God.

End of story.

That's the most vapid, dull, anti-intellectual thinking

I've ever heard in my life.

By the way, yeah.

So you, you have grip.

Well, I just wanted to say you never discuss

where you work.

And correct.

And shouldn't because you can't.

Do you know why?

It's because all the conservatives are gonna come in

but oh, that's right.

No, they're not.

Well, I'll tell you, liberals who are gonna try

to shut you down and get your job gone.

And if that doesn't work, they'll be happy

to go after your business and screw over

or ruin your business owner's business.

Right.

Because you disagree with them, conservatives don't do that.

That's them.

And I work for a large company.

Of course, it's, you know, franchise.

So I consider who I work for to be a family owned business.

I work for a man who started this business

from the ground up.

It is a franchise.

It's a very well-known company.

But it would be so unfair for this man

to have his company that he works so hard for,

be put in de jeopardy because he happens to employ someone

who thinks differently from you.

Right.

And the people who are out to cancel others

for disagreeing with them,

they don't care about who they hurt or how it affects.

You know, they want me to get fired, sure.

But will they go leave poor Google reviews and say,

Sure.

You have a racist working for your company

because I said something that made sense online.

They absolutely would.

And they don't think about the far reaching consequences

of that because they think only with their emotions.

It makes them feel better.

It makes them feel better.

It makes them feel better for you

because look at the cool stuff.

I said, by the way, you have some great keyboard warriors

that respond to your stuff.

They really do.

Shout out to Brock Presley.

Right, Brock.

I went to high school with Brock.

So Brock is one who disagrees with me regularly.

I went to high school with him.

He's a very, very nice person.

I had no idea.

Very sweet, very funny, absolutely and totally deluded.

He needs help quickly.

But overall, a very nice guy.

And we debate.

And a lot of people ask why I don't just delete people

who argue with me.

To me, it would feel really strange to do that.

I hear so many people.

They give their one-liner.

They make their mean.

They live in the world of memes.

They talk about them.

They send them out.

They speak and memes.

And yeah, it sounds good in the moment.

But the main thing is, what you said,

it makes you feel better in the moment

and you've accomplished nothing.

The whole, the meme-based, I hate Trump.

Or I love Trump.

It does nothing.

It just sits there.

It just sits there.

And when we're looking at solutions,

we may be a couple of years or more from an election.

But it's coming and we need to think about it.

What is that going to look like?

Are we really going to bake both parties in Trump?

Trump sent his electricity for the whole thing.

He's done.

He's going to be gone.

The minute you say that, here comes the Democrat.

He's going to try to run again.

And he's going to posh-y-coma-dot it.

I'm sure hope so.

You know, oh my God.

Ways to become a node.

I'm sick of it.

But it's become a religion for a lot of people.

True.

You don't have a religion anymore.

So the further you get a society away from religion,

it's not that it goes away.

They just replace it with something.

Truly, it's Godlessness.

How many times have I said that to you?

It is Godlessness of this society that makes people

so mean and have to latch on to something.

I want to do a quick part.

And that's what I love about podcasts

because I can make shifts whenever I want to,

because here I am and I think.

Hey, so Crom.

Crom podcasting murder.

We're ready.

Murder.

We've got some new ones.

Do you?

New ones and old ones, yeah.

Okay, so I went to the serial killer museum

because I reached out to her.

Yeah.

You know, I asked what she thought about it

because it's a hardener.

A boyfriend went, y'all went there.

And so me and Jen went, I liked it.

It's a lot of reading, it's a lot of,

and I am, I guess I'm getting older

because the things that I'm anticipating,

like when I was going through it,

on a scale of one, the team for me is a seven, good.

It was fine.

I just,

You want a reenactment there?

Did you want to?

I was hoping maybe that, yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

You're more of a haunted museum.

What did you like?

Do you like him?

So as someone who's very, very into just true crime

and absolutely, she's a reader.

Oh, man.

And no one are you loving.

Yeah.

That was words.

Well, I grew up with my mom,

and well, I grew up with my mom.

During nap time, we would watch, you know,

unsolved mysteries together.

So I've always been into true crime.

But Jacob took me there for my birthday,

and I thought it was fascinating.

I had a blast.

I love reading all of it.

Look at this.

Look at this.

Yeah.

But you, you know, to have read so many books

about Jeffrey Dahmer fascinated with him.

Absolute psycho.

I thought he was so cool, though.

And to go see a pair of glasses that he wore.

What do you mean by that?

Oh, him being crazy?

Don't worry about it.

I'm not sure if you're clear on that.

Okay.

Obviously, I'm not, you know, fantasizing

about any of these people being wonderful people.

Let me check your personal quick.

I'll keep talking.

There's just a pocket knife today.

I've got you, Lucy.

But I thought it was fascinating.

I'm really good.

Mom, I would love for us to go together.

You would enjoy it as well.

It's a great mother-daughter outling.

Outling.

Outing.

We would have a blast as she was sending me pictures.

A serial killer museum followed by barbecue.

Do you have perfect?

What is, so if you want to ask you your true crime,

favorite genre, is it the serial killer?

Is it the unsolved?

Is it the old cases?

Is it the women's centric men's?

What is your, do you have a genre of crazy,

batshit crazy stuff that you like?

Yeah, I'll tell you what, nothing surprises me more

than when I get to the end of an unsolved mysteries episode.

And we don't know what happened.

It pisses me off every time.

Those are the ones that I'm the most hooked on.

As a matter of fact, we have done a couple of those

where we're still not sure what happened.

Somebody may have gotten convicted

and a couple of times they did.

Other times they didn't.

Other times this could have gone either way.

They're the ones that fascinate me.

And then the nature versus nurture as well.

So Jeffrey Dahmer had a weird relationship.

Well, his mother wasn't in the picture

and then he was Jeffrey Dahmer

and then raised by his grandmother

and then Edgene is fascinating

because he had a very strange relationship with his mother.

All the things that they're supposed to have

to turn out the way they turned out,

they've gone about, what about the ones who didn't?

The ones who just fascinating.

We talked about without going into a lot of it

about the little boy Garrett who was murdered,

could have been the mom's boyfriend,

made sense that it was, but he didn't get convicted.

I don't think they could have been somebody else.

Gosh, this ain't my teeth, isn't it?

Those are one-allogy behind.

I wanna see the bad guy get the needle.

That's important to me.

I want the bad guy.

So being fascinated with the serial killer

as far as how cool.

No, I don't think what they do is cool.

I think the psychology is intriguing, very much.

That's the way to do it

and seeing them finally get theirs in the end as they should.

But the ones that leave you hanging a little bit,

I feel like I wanna go solve something.

Right.

Many have been solved by armchair.

Pardon?

I'm telling you.

I've tried to reach out to the local folks

and they've been good enough to come on from time to time

on the Cromcast with me and Maraudi.

And I've tried to convince them.

I'm like, y'all should come on once a month,

pick an old code K something

and read just, rekindle some of the flames on there

because I've sent them, I've got an email,

I said with dad on there.

This is how many podcasts have been either solved

or made advancements in to they eventually led

to the figuring out what happened.

And I just, I can't get them on board.

I don't know why that is because to me, it's a free thing.

All you have to do is bring your data

and talk about it.

And I'm like, well, y'all should come on

and let's just talk.

I think podcasts are, you know,

back in the days we were on the radio.

And you know this, somebody wrote a book,

you could get them on the radio, Mark Furman, Randy Weaver,

whoever, anybody, those who are just a couple,

you get them on the radio.

You just called them and invited them and they came,

Bingo, how many times they called you

because they could be on the radio

and they have the book.

Now, I get them all the time.

Do you get, if they wrote a book,

but what I'm saying is that people that you wanna get,

podcasts are too plentiful.

I mean, I would love to get Andrew Bustamante.

I would do anything.

Do you know how hard that's gonna be?

And I'm committed to doing it.

I think it's hard, but I think it's,

a lot of times it becomes hard

because people forget that they think

it's gonna be hard to say, don't do it.

The pretty girl, a lot of times, doesn't dance

because everybody's intimidated to ask.

So a lot of times when you look on the good dance floor,

and they go, okay, I'm gonna need you

to call Andrew Bustamante.

You send your picture because,

there's a photo of me, can you come?

There's a photo of me, can you come?

And you go, because he was the one that asked.

He's the one who asked.

Yeah, I agree.

That's how I got half my sales.

People were like, you're a great salesperson.

No, you knocked on 40 doors.

I knocked on 140 dollars.

That's why I'm better.

It's because I did more of the right things than you did.

Yeah.

That's how that goes.

I was gonna ask you a question.

I can't remember what it was about crime.

Are you following anything right now?

Is there a couple of crimes that you're focused on?

You said you had new stuff.

We do, we have some new ones that we'd like to,

at some point fire back up.

I'm trying to think back up at some point in time.

I do.

I really do.

Uh-huh.

Our job is very demanding.

The logistics for really challenging work.

And yeah, we should just quit.

And I work with a bunch of young people.

It's moving parts all day every day,

even today when I'm in a different state.

But I don't know if I have any new ones right now

that I'm following in the news,

but I have been really interested in crime junkie podcast.

And I can't think of the name of there right now.

It was a family slaying.

It's on the tip of my tongue.

I'll have to get back to you on it,

but there is a very juicy one hour.

Okay.

We'll find a juicy one.

I wanted to find some that were the Southern fraud.

You do, but the Southern fraud on the side,

you see the ones that that's fine.

I want to do one.

Nashville has plenty.

I mean, plenty.

Yeah, they're plenty.

Hey, if anybody's got a good serial killer thing,

they want us to talk about,

or if we should do a podcast on, she did our way.

Yeah.

Look at it and see what's going on.

These aren't even necessarily serial killings.

They're almost going to happen in our backyard.

And they fascinate me.

And yeah, I have an out.

It doesn't fascinate me too much

when it's a one off with an otherwise normal person.

Okay.

I'm glad you said that.

We were going through the serial killer thing.

We walked into these rooms and me and general walking through.

Now, there's one room that says,

budding serial killer, like ones that are new,

like whatever.

But there's other rooms where you're walking in

and it's Jeffrey Dahmer and it's Clint Powell with 63.

And there's this one with two and we're like, two.

That's all you did.

What kind of loser is this guy?

Get your numbers up, pal.

Yeah, what is that?

You expect better, dude?

What are we doing here?

How do you get in the museum for two?

That's what we were walking through.

That's a really good one.

And that's what we said.

I'm like, do you know how warped it is to walk through this

and go one person?

Lizard.

They only get three in the basement.

What kind of shit is this?

What are we looking at?

There was one in there, though.

The guy got convicted of, I don't know, serial rape.

I think there was one murder, but I'm like,

he liked great 15, 20 people.

I mean, it was convicted.

And he was right next to this other person

and me and this other, me and Jennifer and this other couple

were kind of, you know how you wander through

and everybody's like, oh, you weren't into people.

So we're looking at it.

And it said he was convicted to 12 billion years, whatever.

And he served like six.

And I looked over and this girl over here

killed one person and it's got life in prison with no parole.

And I'm not saying that's not warranted.

But I'm going, this dude is convicted of raping

like dozens and dozens, violently beating them

horrible rapes and one death.

He had out like six years or seven years.

This poor lady, y'all need a different attorneys.

I don't know what that Jennifer goes.

How do you get out of jail at all?

I was like, man,

how they, it is weird.

If you take a look at what they did

and how much time they got and compare them,

sometimes it doesn't make any sense.

But it was, it was nice.

All right, so we'll dive back on the other side.

Let's talk about social media.

Okay, what's that?

So when did, has the, have you, when did the switch go off

that you can, Charlie Kurt?

It she woke up radicalized.

If I roll up, right there, we go ahead.

I've been very conservative for my entire adult life.

And even before that, I would say I was educated enough

as a young adult in teenager to safely say,

I am a conservative, I speak for myself.

When Charlie Kirk was assassinated,

I posted that it radicalized me and I was 100% not joking

and I've been radicalized ever since.

And the radicalized, again, definitions matter, right?

Radicalized means I'm just, I am who I am

and I'm not scared to say it.

Correct.

By the way, I hate to change topics,

but this way podcasts work.

Jess said Fred West has recently called my attention.

Fred West, he was in the serial killer exhibit.

That's a very juicy one as well, Jess.

He and another woman, I believe they were Australian.

Rose, Fred and Rose, they were, they were bad, bad, bad.

Didn't they kill one of their kids?

They killed their daughter, buried her,

under the patio concrete and then covered it again.

They did some really sick shit.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

She broke the seals.

She said a bad word way to go.

We were worried.

Well, it's a, what was it?

Scott Chase was just in here and I said something

and he goes, can you say that?

I said, I went, yeah.

I'm going to go with it.

I'm going to make it live and on on it.

He goes, dude, my muscle memory is,

too soon as you said that, I always think, hot mic switch.

There's always a hot mic.

If I'm in a mic room of mics, I'm like, they're on.

I'm just assuming they're on.

He goes, that's kind of weird.

You know, it's kind of weird.

Sounds just like it.

It is kind of, I told myself,

I've never met a guy that walks into the room

and ups the energy level simply by walking into a room.

Right.

If you're in a bad mood when Scott walks in,

that's on him.

And when he leaves, I mean, that's on you.

Yeah.

Because he's bringing it with him.

Oh, that's bad.

It was so nice to see him.

I was.

I was.

I probably, I wasn't even a teenager last time.

I saw him.

Right.

And I remember running through the halls of KZ 106

and seeing all these people and then seeing them again now,

it's crazy.

That would have been the early, late 90s, right?

Late 90s, early 2000s.

And I was there, yeah.

I remember that.

So we're going to talk about social media,

but then I'm going to talk about,

because Bill brought it up in a minute about something

your mom is back in the radio days.

Yeah, you're welcome.

Great.

I can't wait.

Well, no, the social media thing,

I think, has changed a whole lot.

For magazine covers.

And yeah, that's what it is.

That's what it is.

It's what we're going to talk about.

It's what we're going to talk about.

Well, just because Bill brought it up,

and I think it's, it's,

Bill is the first one to actually get a copy

and bring it to me.

I think he kept that picture of me

with the, with the AK.

Well, he said, he said someone said,

have you seen the Charlotte?

We'll just go to that right now.

We'll come back to you on social.

But he had said that.

He said, I got a message from somebody.

This is before text message.

I mean, you know, phones,

because if he's in the Charlotte observer

and he goes, no, I don't know what he's talking about.

He goes, you need to go look at the Charlotte observer.

So he went to,

books, a million or something.

Books, a Barnes noble.

He went to Barnes and Noble and got it.

And he goes on the cover was Timothy McVey,

Osama Bin Laden, someone else that's just batshit crazy.

And there's this girl with a, he called it a,

a four foot rifle.

That's what he called it.

Yeah, I was like, okay, what?

But he goes and here she is

and she just happens to work for me over here.

And I'm like, oh, I don't remember that.

I remember that.

I had no idea.

I had no idea.

I was horrified when, when I saw, well,

like it was Osama Bin Laden, Timothy McVey,

whoever the other one, and me holding the,

actually the note is second AK, yeah, an AK.

Was it an AK?

It was an AK.

Yeah.

What am I lost on?

Why were you horrified?

Because they featured you on the same page.

The whole thing was about a homegrown terror.

And I would, would never and have never espoused your head.

Been involved in terrorism, but just like today's liberals,

if you don't agree with them, you must be a racist.

It was the same way back then.

If you were, you know, to hear the people

who were in the FBI and the CIA talk about malicious,

now they say, we infiltrated a bunch

and they really weren't any problem.

We told you that, but never mind.

Oh, they're all racist.

No, they're not.

They told you that, never mind the facts.

But they had me on there with people who truly were terrorists,

truly were racist.

And that is upsetting to me that again,

it's really difficult to sit and be smarter

than most of the people in the room.

But if you can't even read the same facts that I can.

And if you haven't been where I've been,

don't tell me what I think.

And that's just, I vaguely remember this,

of people being the worst.

Well, yeah, being just without sense, without knowledge.

I'm trying not to use condescending terms,

but you don't know what you're talking about.

Well, they can read and understand up the same way

you can.

They're choosing to see it differently

because whatever in your emotions,

or emotional, emotional, just no sound recent, just emotional.

Trying to figure out some have been

a lot of Timothy McVeigh.

There were two other paired in the media symbols

of far and unknown terrorism.

But who are these?

What I'm asking?

The two others where you're trying to recall.

You would know, I'm trying to remember.

There's a theater, Eric Rudolph.

It was Eric Rudolph or Theodore Kaczynski.

It would have been something along those lines.

Yeah, yeah.

There's definitely been a lot in the McVeigh.

And me, and Brum Page, all the observer

had a huge, huge Congress senators.

They took it.

It had a very wide, I'm going to go see if I can find that.

Well, and in real quick, let's tell people what it was about.

It was the malicious stuff.

It was the malicious stuff, and it was shortly after you.

And it was trying to compare them all kind of,

at least by the way it was framed.

Well, they said,

when you're racist and it worked,

so people just got into their emotions,

fed into the mean, and believed it.

They must be about racism.

And did that impact your career after that a lot?

No.

OK, I didn't know.

No, because I mean, I remember it for us, it didn't.

The facts were the facts.

After that, it didn't initially did.

Remember Jeff, and I talked about that on your podcast.

And at the beginning, it did.

And if people simply don't have enough knowledge

or the ability or the intellect to reason it out and look what's there

and they jump start on their emotions, well, they do.

And yeah, that happened at one place.

And I get it, but you know, I watched you

throughout my entire childhood go out of your way constantly

for anyone and everyone who needed it.

Regardless of their gender, their skin color,

their nationality, their race, their religious beliefs

or their political beliefs.

If someone needed help, you would go out of your way

and put yourself out to help them.

Sometimes to the detriment of you to help another person.

I think I do that in a lot of ways, too.

And it's really frustrating when people take

our political beliefs and make us out to be bad people

and virtue signal themselves to death.

When in reality, they're not the ones that are actually going out

and being kind to their neighbors and friends

and co-workers and people in their community.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, that is,

and I'm sure I'll get fact checked by the liberals

or by left wings unless I'm right.

And then I won't hear from them.

But I think charity wise, that's why a lot of conservatives

give more as a group of people because we kind of get it.

And I volunteer, I see people volunteering all the time

to create organizations, right?

And by the way, the organizations that we're talking about today

don't represent any of our views or opinions.

They have nothing to do with any of this stuff.

The only reason we're being entertaining right now

and talking about our opinions is so you will text podcast

to 4-4-8-3-4 and raise money for them.

So why do radio stations exist?

That's right, let's see.

It's another commercial stuff.

If you can't separate the two that's on you,

not on me, not on them, that's a simple U-problem.

But that's what happens is we lose perspective on this

and we forget that a lot of times I see the conservatives

being able to, they give a little more.

How we define compassion?

And I told Bill this this morning,

there is such a thing I've heard toxic everything.

Insert thing here.

Well, anything can be toxic, toxic feminine.

Everything, too much of anything.

So you can have too much water,

but we need water to live, right?

Get oxygen by every certain point, pure oxygen.

Ain't great all the time.

A lot of my trying, let me not go.

My whole thing is compassion is just as toxic

when it's used as a weapon.

And this toxic compassion stuff that we have got going on now,

it's a shield to help people hide behind

that don't want to talk about the consequences of policies

because every policy of government,

in a competent place, doesn't help everybody.

That's not what policy can do.

Correct.

So I don't have to talk about the early parts of the real world.

I'm just going to hide behind this.

You're not a good Christian, you're a bad human being.

Look how mean you're, why do you hate kids?

And I'm like, meanwhile, I'm not going out of my way

to do anything for anybody.

So complain about you.

Yep.

That's what really chaps my butt is people

who will constantly tell you what a bad person you are

because you think differently

and what are they doing for others?

Usually not much.

That's just very intolerant.

All of a sudden, didn't they?

What is the, my buddy Matthew Durham,

how he's going to be so upset with me?

There's a tolerance thing that talks about

the only thing you can't tolerate is the intolerance.

In other words, it's that self-fulfilling thing.

Eventually you come back to, there are no absolutes.

Well, you can't say that because by saying that,

that it's an absolute, you know,

it's the circular argument.

Right.

And I think the liberals get stuck in that constantly

and all the time.

Social media.

So I understand it radicalized you

as far as giving your opinion unapologetically

when Charlie Carter got murdered in front of everybody.

But consequence is from it.

Is it all intentional?

Do you do it to poke the bear?

Or do you do it to what's the, what's the lot of thought

about that?

She's catching up.

So I'll say this, the people who know me in real life,

the people who are my friends and family,

Jacob, his family, they know me.

They know who I am.

They know how I behave.

They know I'm a good person.

I don't need to tell anybody that.

Everyone else on my Facebook, I've acquired friends

from high school, college, middle school.

I've got some elementary school friends.

People I met on vacation in 2006.

And you know, just a group of people

that I have met or have known throughout the years.

If they choose to take what I post

and make that who I am, that's on them.

But I'm not going to police myself

when posting my thoughts at the risk of offending someone else.

Sure, do I like to rage bait people occasionally?

Yes, I think it's funny to rage, rage bait liberals.

Of course, we all do.

But no, it's not just me.

It's not just me to watch somebody get all sped up

and angry and head explosion if you will.

And then you just look at your phone

and say, all right, let me go back to work

and finish my 12 hour shift.

So I can go home and cook dinner for my family.

Enjoy.

Enjoy.

I guess you shouldn't laugh at it.

But no, I mean what I say when I post it,

I can rage bait in the comments.

But if I say something, it's how I feel.

And I think more often than not,

a lot of people agree with me.

And they're saying, you go girl,

and they don't want to like or comment.

Then that makes you sad.

Do you get all the messages that say we agree with you?

But I can't say anything.

Several times a day every day.

I'm just going to say this.

I work in music city, obviously.

So no idea who this person is.

You would know their work 100%.

But it happens to be a conservative

and not even an outspoken one.

Not anything to do with that is work nationally, internationally

in the music industry, projects, things you've heard

and would know.

And there have been numerous times

that they've, he didn't bring it up.

He's not on any kind of a website talking about his politics

or face, but nothing.

But certain organizations have asked them to do work for them.

And then they've asked him, what are your politics?

And he said, I'm more conservative.

I generally vote Republican.

We can't use you, goodbye.

Yeah.

I mean, it just because you're a group,

I can't imagine refusing to hire somebody

because they're a Democrat.

Bill was shocked this morning when I told him

that I've got friends that do have to go into Zoom meetings.

And if they're new Zoom meetings,

depending on what companies they are,

they'll go around the Zoom and go, what are your pronouns?

And he'll be like, yeah, I don't do that.

And I don't do that.

And he said, I can just watch their writing language go.

And I'm like, it's a F in you.

That's my pronouns.

I'm not doing the pronoun thing.

I'm not going to look.

Even Jeff Stiles is like, I'm, he goes, listen,

I will call you he.

I'll call you her.

I am not calling you they.

Not calling you them.

It's stupid.

It's not the good use of language.

And I'm like, oh, so we do have lines, Jeff?

It's grammatically incorrect and stupid

to call someone they or anything else.

It is a method of control.

And I don't participate in it.

The compassion in this.

This is where I think we miss redefining

the compassion for us conservatives.

The compassionate thing to my friend Stephanie,

I'm just going to use you as an example.

My friend Stephanie, if she's young,

going through this crisis is as an adult

to walk beside her as the 12, 13 year old and go, hey,

we all get a little weird in this time of life.

You may end up being something that you're not,

right now though, instead of chopping things off

and giving you medicine and air quote affirming you,

we're going to get you some mental help.

We're going to get you some spiritual help.

We're going to get you the medical help.

If you need something, if my son had a hormone issue,

it took him about a year and a half.

He needed a little help.

He got through it.

No big deal.

So I need it stuff.

We all need stuff.

But we're going to welcome on beside you as adults

who make decisions.

That's compassion.

Then when you get to be 16, 17, 18,

and you can think clear, 20, your brain starting to come.

When you're prefronted.

Yeah.

All of a sudden, we have a conversation

and you go, I don't think I'm that again.

Or if you go, now it's on you.

But as a kid, when we walk them through this whole life

of affirming whatever I feel,

that's how you get to be 26 looking at the Zoom going,

why are they not affirming me?

Well, don't affirm your stuff like that.

I get frustrated when we've hijacked compassion

and we've removed the responsibility

for adults to do it.

That's compact, tough stuff is a compassion.

It is compassionate.

You raised her and there's times she did not like you.

And the reason she didn't like you

is because you were doing something

because you loved her this sucked.

And you went to bed just as upset as she did.

Like, damn it, I had to do that.

Oh, I go through that with Genevieve now.

And you and dad both always let me suffer

natural consequences for my actions.

You were a little more soft than dad.

So you would cushion my falls a little better.

But with my daughters, if they want to make a decision

that's not going to hurt them or anyone else,

and I know it's the wrong decision,

I'll let them make it and I'll let them

suffer the natural consequences.

I think that's being compassionate,

teaching my children about the world

and what they can expect from it.

Not sugar-coating everything for them.

Couldn't agree more.

That's compassion with balance of I know people.

I see people who are trans people

who want to be called she.

I'm going to do that.

You want to be called Bri?

I'm not.

Well, if that's the name that they go by, I'll use it.

I'm not going to intentionally make a point

of hurting someone for no reason.

Correct.

If that's the name they go by, I'll use it.

If I have to stop myself and make sure

that I'm not going to hurt anyone's feelings

before I say, okay, what are their pronouns again?

Am I going to get in trouble for harassment?

If I call them the wrong thing?

I'm not playing that game.

But that's where it becomes much crap.

Yes.

FCC just called you fire.

I've got it.

Handcuffs.

But that's where it becomes ridiculous.

And give it your four foot gun to get out.

Well, you know what Charlie Kirk said?

He said you might get fired for your beliefs

and you might get fired for sharing them.

So you have a decision to make.

Do the best to be compassionate.

Treat people with compassion.

If you believe differently than I do,

I'm going to do my best to help you not harm you.

But at the same time, don't get ragey with me.

You're going to get tantrum over there.

So to me, that's what I was going to go.

Because that's what frustrates me too.

So compassion, I am now assigned to be compassionate

as you define it, which is unfair.

But now the compassion only goes one way

because if you call something different

and it's out of the norm and being out of norms,

by the way, doesn't mean bad.

There's a lot of things that are not normal

that are not bad things.

Some are.

Some things that are normal are bad things, right?

But if you were, if I were to make a mistake,

and if your first instinct is to literally jump me,

verbally or physically, so I then learn my lesson,

my question, my question to her would be,

kind lady, I have a question, our sir,

I have a question, since you're doing something

you know is out of the norm

and you yourself are uncomfortable in the journey you're on

because you have a confusion.

I get no mercy and grace and being confused either.

You're the only one that gets to be mercy.

You're the only ones gets to be confused.

I don't get to be confused.

You look like a duck, you walk like a duck,

you talk like a duck, but you're not a duck

and I'm trying to figure out if it's a duck

or if it's a goose.

I don't know what the hell's going on.

You get to walk through life confused as hell

and everybody's got to give you space.

I don't get to be confused once.

You know, I think Caitlin Jenner handled that very well

when he now, she was asked what are the kids call you.

I'm their dad.

They call me dad.

They call me dad.

Good for him.

He is their dad, that's their father.

He raised them as a guy.

You can go live as a girl, you can change your name,

whatever you want to do it.

This is America baby, the land if you get to,

but you don't get to make me.

You don't get to change my real.

And he didn't try to freak out his kids by saying,

what were they going to call him?

Mom, they have a mom.

Well that's why he came here.

No, they're dad, call me dad.

Trump-ish on a lot of topics.

He's conservative on a lot of things.

A lot of things, he gets very conservative.

I've never had everything that I've heard Bruce Jenner say,

even on keeping up with the Kardashians

when he was presenting himself.

He's always been a decent, normal guy.

Yeah, did you watch keeping up with the Kardashians?

You know what?

I never did when it was popular.

I don't look at scans.

But I popped in a few times.

You know what?

Everyone has something to say about the Kardashians.

If you listen to Kim Kardashian speak,

she's a well-spoken, very smart woman.

She's a very good mother.

So I just wanted to throw that in

for everyone who bashes her consistently.

She's a really good mom.

OK, that's important.

It's important.

Damn TV, right?

I'm not a fan.

You know, but I can't go to bed.

And I wasn't doing scrolling TikTok.

Drafts have tongues?

No, they don't.

How long are they?

What is that?

Get rid of the people.

Why don't you have it on it?

She's just been so everywhere for so long

that when I've taken a peek and seeing

how she interacts with her kids

and gets down on their level and listens to them.

And she isn't.

She's not.

But they're only showing us what they want us to see.

Even the bad stuff they want us to see is bad.

So they didn't can tell you, I'm just like, look, I had a bad day.

Look, I burnt the pasta.

Yeah.

Gonna go lay in bed for five hours.

Yeah, me and the God.

I didn't get that touch screened as my kid.

What was it?

Was it, uh, it was got chased.

He was talking about, um, he was talking about his son now

brought his granddaughter into the studio to do voice stuff.

And he goes, he had his son do it for the rock city ads

back in the day.

He said, so when his kids would come in and do voiceovers,

he'd like, we're going to do another take.

Everybody's small.

Why are you not smiling?

Well, you're having a happy time at rock, at rock city.

Garden of lights.

His granddaughter comes in and he says it and he goes,

Oh, that's great.

He said, well, listen, why we do it again?

If you want to use, you know what?

You did great.

Never mind.

He said, my son let them go.

Where the hell is the take to?

You're never going to mount anything.

We're not radio.

That's the way.

Tanner got the tough love from Jonathan.

Where is this boundless mercy?

Where was this that you had for Lucy?

Not, yeah.

I was the lucky one.

I'll say that.

And also the worst somehow.

You were the worst.

I was a shithead.

That is a fair.

That isn't fair.

I don't want to say I was inherently bad, but I was a shithead.

You were, you were, we call them headstrong challenge.

Yes.

Yeah.

It wasn't bad.

How many times is headstrong too strong?

My, my middle son pay back.

My friends call him pay back for a reason.

That's Clementine.

She's my payback.

He is at first, he, you know, at first he thought it was a bad thing.

He said it to me about four or five years ago.

He's 26 and he goes, you always thought, oh, like,

paying back because like you deserve bad.

And I'm like, oh, shit, that's on me.

No, no, no, they're calling you pay back and laughing because I,

you are doing, do you know me?

Tell me how I called my dad at two in the morning or the next day after, hey,

I don't have a car anymore.

How many times?

Absolutely.

And, and I, I'm not sure, but there may be a warrant.

Yeah.

Two times, three times.

Cars?

Five times.

I like speed.

I like speed.

So I think the last good running, I had a couple of scrapes and fights after this,

but I was 22 going back up to football practice.

I was trying to walk on it at college stuff.

And me and my girlfriend were driving up to school.

I had a 280 ZX T-top back in the day.

Oh, I had a mullet.

It was fantastic.

It was great and it was awesome.

And I'm doing about 120 and I come down 11 E from Knoxville to Jefferson City.

And a cop passes me going this way.

Here we got time.

Cop passes me going this way.

And I looked at my review mirror and I see the lights come on.

And I see him going, but I knew he had a little bit to get to the median.

Well, I knew the back streets.

And so as soon as I come over this hill, there's a back street to go this way.

And that back street, if I can get on that back street, this was 1991.

You're out of there.

It's going to have trouble because I'm at the house.

I'm going to.

I'm not far away from being on my destination.

And so I come over the hill, tap the brakes, start my turn.

And there was a minivan who had done everything right.

She had parked and she had stopped at the stop sign.

She was making the turn to go left.

So I turned to miss her, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

I go into ditches and get thrown on me and hurry and get there was, it was, nobody was

seriously hurt.

And so the, um, yeah, so I won't make this much shorter.

Oh, my mom, it was a beautiful car.

I got blessed.

Yeah, God bless you, so the police show up and I was dizzy, a little confused.

So somebody grabbed me while I grabbed him back.

No two grabbed me.

So I said, well, I'm going to grab back harder.

So apparently when you grab police officers back, they take the, they don't like that too

much.

So they brought about four to grab me and, um, put me in cuffs and all this and did all

this.

So my friends cousin was a police officer up there and he, he knew I was a bit and all

of a sudden he had made a call because back then we'd done cell phone.

So my friend that was going to stay at his house, I'm sorry, it's almost over, comes to

help.

It says, you know, he shows up at the scene.

And, um, his cousin, he's a police officer, comes over and says, hey, here's what's going

to happen.

We're going to let you out.

We're going to reduce it from this, no resisting, but you're going to get the stars

on your card.

It's going to be reckless.

But you're not going to jail.

I mean, everything, all the stuff that would have affected my life really bad.

He said, no.

So I mean, cuffs and the guy that put me in cuffs was really rough about it.

I didn't like his attitude a bit.

So as he's taking the cuffs off of me, I was looking and I said, oh, are you going

to unrest me?

And about that time, my friend's cousin's cop grabs me by the show, I'll put your ass

into the jail.

If you say one more smart alec word, you just got off the hook and that word, that's exactly

what he goes, get him in the car and out of here.

So me and my girlfriend got the car.

So that was a call I had to make.

Wow.

Hey, so can I get a ride home back to Chattanooga?

It was, you're about to get a ride back to jail.

I was.

That had been the third time.

Can you imagine your mouth getting even trouble?

I know.

No, me neither.

Sorry to happen.

Yeah.

It happens to all of us, I do believe sometimes.

All of us at the table.

I have a question though, after the, so can I revisit, I don't think of irashis about

the malicious stuff.

Did you stay in that?

Did you get out of that at that point and what's your opinion on those things?

You know, you would ask if anything had affected employment other than before I came to work

with you guys.

The answer is no, because I think everybody else could read.

You guys could read and get form an opinion or maybe I don't know, but no, it never did

it again.

As far as staying in it or out of it, I think the turning point for me was my beliefs never

wavered, but use the word malicious and people, I don't know, the word carries baggage because

people have skewn it so much in reality.

Tell me what a militia is.

Well, it's all the men of fighting age, 17 to 35 or 45 in this state who are supposed

to take care of things.

That's what it is.

I reserve.

Some people say the 19th amendment is one that allows women in it too, which is fine

with me.

The bottom line needs to be overturned.

He was a group of patriots.

I think patriotism is taking such a nose dive and it makes me, makes me pretty sick and

angry and disheartened, but the militias were very constitutional.

We learned, we studied, we read, we were homes, we were families, we were people of many

races and about the time 9-11 happened.

I think that was where the biggest turning point was.

There were too many people who were saying, oh, we need to activate this or that militias

weren't terrorist organizations.

They never were.

I'm not saying they occasionally didn't attract crazies.

That's the thing we did.

Certainly true.

And they would weed them out.

We didn't want crazies around us or our people.

And there were some people who got nuts.

There were organizations who believed me.

I saw it.

I saw a lot of stuff and people who got nuts.

We didn't want that.

Around the time of 9-11, we all needed to be Americans.

We all needed, you know, the guy who did the big, we were all New Yorkers that day and

that's how we all felt.

We don't need to be trying to come up with an alternative theory and trying to come up.

We need to all be Americans right now.

And you saw the biggest resurgence of patriotism that I've ever seen in my lifetime.

But really, well, that's a beautiful time.

Now that I think about it, we put, and I thought everything aside, I've done my job, you

know, I've done everything that I could do, America, not because of me, obviously, but America

has been part of it.

But I didn't have anything to do with the national movement back toward patriotism, but we're

here again.

I don't know.

We're here again.

Now it's failing again, but I just didn't, there were things that were too much more important

than that.

Right.

Well, I want to, I'm not telling you you're wrong, but I would just challenge how you think

on it.

Because I think without every individual, it's almost that art that's made with dots and

I can't remember it.

You start removing dots and the picture is not quite as clear.

I think if you start removing Stephanie's or the clans of the leases or whoever these

people are, and it could be, we don't agree with anything, but when you start removing

the patriots who hold your government accountable and love your country, but not always your

government, when you remove those people, I think the whole picture of America changes.

So I think you were just as important as the person in California that thought it was

or the Texas.

And you start pulling these people out and go, I'm checking out.

That's how you lose a country, I think.

That could possibly be it.

And that's not to say that I never stayed in contact with people or supported causes.

And it certainly happened.

But then again, you did have the patriots who, because of the way they were necessarily

painted by the media, we couldn't be as effective in trying to deal with every person, you know,

the patriot movement trying to deal with your every guy who believed just like we did.

I mean, you just, it wasn't a radical for the most part.

You had radicals, not everybody was radical, but the ideas were not radical.

I would say we're just radical documents, well, they're the Constitution, the Declaration

of Independence.

The Constitution is a radical people to them, it is radical, the second amendment.

It's radical now because they didn't know what kind of guns we were going to have.

Well, the 19th amendment is radical now when we want to abolish it because we didn't

know the type of women who would be, that's my girl.

That's my girl.

158.

Three minutes left, dropped that little nugget of verbal hand grenade way to go.

So let me ask you a quick question.

This is going to, and this in prompt, too, if you don't answer, you know, just too hard

to answer.

One thing you like about your mom, one thing you respect, one thing you respect about each

other, just real quick.

I think I'd be a good way to end it.

What's one thing you respect about your mom?

What's one thing you respect about your mom?

I could list 15 off the top of my head.

First that comes to mind is that my mother is so caring to people.

And like I said earlier, she goes out of her way to help people.

She would do that for anyone anytime.

She always has a living testament.

I've watched it my whole life.

She will stop what she's doing and go out of her way to help somebody.

Thank you.

About my daughter, honestly, it's watching her be a mother.

At the point in time that she's always my little girl, I talk about that.

You still see the child, you know, when your children are in their 30s and 40s, always

being my little girl, but watching her mother, my grandchildren.

She's so much better at it than I ever was.

She's so much better at it.

She's so much, you learn from me like I learned from my mother and you take the good and

throughout the bad, but it just, I wish I had dealt with her and with Meredith and with

Jonathan more the way she deals with her kids.

She's better.

She's better.

You know that I do so many things that you did for us.

I walk into Clementine's bedroom in the mornings and say, what did you say?

Let me see.

Blue eyes.

She tries to open her eyes, but the light too, right?

Uh-huh.

Well, I love that.

That's called legacy.

It is legacy.

It is.

It is.

All right.

So I would love to get a commitment from you guys down the road, not now, but maybe three

months, six months a year, whatever it is, the crime, the crime podcast was great.

Get out the night.

Even if it's one.

Blood out.

Don't do it.

You don't do it.

You really don't want to do it.

Oh, they would do that.

I'll do it too.

I'm pretty sure he does.

That's why I carry it.

Right.

So shout out to Ed Jones, because I forgot my pocket knife and I've had a pocket knife since

I was in like 11, you know, 11 years old, you know, I'm always fidgeting with it.

And I didn't have it.

Ed goes take mine for the day.

You can get me and get money.

I've got another one in the call.

Aww.

He gave me his pocket knife.

Last thing I'm going to say before I let you two go is Stephanie Param had come in with

us.

She was the volunteer out there.

Uh-huh.

And people that actually helped me do stuff like that are very helpful that I couldn't

really do it without them because they're the one joining interference.

She owns a company where for the company called styled and staged home staging, Stephanie

Param.

I want to say thank you to her for coming here.

She's been here for several hours lately a lot of her time's waiting.

And then it's a little busy and then it's waiting again.

So I appreciate her coming in and we have more coming in later.

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I've got to go to work, kids.

So we're...

You know, I took the day.

I think we're going to get a place to try the new guy for the night.

Well, he's not looking for trails.

He's back.

He's looking for me now.

All right.

All right, everybody.