Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5004

0:00This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human Welcome to Bodmeet's twirled A podcast that once chronicle two guys who had never seen dancing with the stars but watched a season and walked away experts. From there we ventured into traitors a show I'd never seen but will swore he could win and now survivor season 50 the big one. And this time the roles of reverse will has seen exactly one season the first one, meanwhile I've watched for years. We are Wilfredell who prefers his wilderness with room service and writer strong who will hike any mountain but man I hate the beach. Two best friends one devoted to the comforts of civilization and one who would never leave the woods if he could both reality competition scholars. Join us as we dive into alliances, blind sides, fire-making, sand-related misery and 25 years of television history

1:00culminating in a single massive season. This is Bodmeet's twirled seeking immunity. Whew. That's a lot. Well speaking of a lot it's been quite a day in the reality world hasn't it, my friends? It's yeah, we should we should talk about the elephant in the room. Yes, it's the piece of the room. It's the easiest way to just say it. We were all set. We had already announced on the the twitters and the Instagrams that we were going to fold actually double up our reality watching and go right into the Bachelorette because the fans have demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about or at least one of us. In this case, neither of us have ever seen a single episode of the Bachelorette. I didn't know anything about it. And yet they cancelled the entire season. Thank God. Yeah, it was and not without, you know, by the time ABC had cancelled it, we had already decided to pull our show. Yeah. After much back and forth and hand-ringing and concern and not

2:00just don't have clarity in these things. Yeah, it's tricky. But it seems like in general, she is not a very good person. And reality shows that celebrate not great people are not cool. No, I agree. And it's, yeah, again, this is a world that you and I know very little about reality. And when you get into it, you forget that it's these, there's a reason it's called reality. Whether it's, quote-unquote scripted reality or heavily produced reality, these are real people. So real people come with lots of baggage. Some of them, it's a minimal amount of baggage. Some of them, it's a kind of a disgusting amount of baggage. The thing that is starting to come out more and more though is what the networks actually know about these people before they still put them on the air. Or don't know, right? Or don't know. But in this case, it seems like ABC knew quite a bit about this woman before they decided to pull the trigger on what I think is their biggest franchise by far. I think the Bachelor and the Bachelor are like their flagship show.

3:00Well, I think we've talked about the, you know, the conversation. I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago, this guy I used to be friends with, telling me that like everything changed for the network when Snoopy got punched. That was the turning moment for, that was when MTV became a network that was no longer about music. Because they were suddenly going to be all about the reality and the drama. And it went like so viral back to that. Did you watch that? No. Oh, see, I knew it backwards and forwards. I knew that one backwards and forwards, yeah. The thing about this is like for me, this just, in this is something I've wrestled with, you know, even doing these shows. I avoided all reality because I generally thought it was a lot of garbage, you know? Yeah. And I, you know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendelker and Chad Coltkin and they really did, you know, sort of a champion reality and explain how it's, you know, not just trash television, but actually has nuance and strategies.

4:00And I've come around to see a lot of that. I really have. Me too. I get it. But I think fundamentally, unfortunately, there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and shouting for it. Oh, yeah. You know, one of those words that once you learn, you just want to use as many times as you possible, but it means, you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery. Yeah. And I think that there's an element of that, that, you know, a company, it's, you know, watching a train wreck can be fun. It's rubber necking, right? Yeah. All the different ways to describe. It's the feeling bad about watching something good and not being able to turn away. And, yeah. I, you know, I think that the reality shows that I gravitate towards are the ones that are more game show based. Yeah. Me too. Or talent based for me. Yeah. A type of kind of thing. American Idol. That kind of stuff. And then even like a loan, which is about survival, you know, um, and dance with the stars. We had a great time watching dance with the stars. Yeah. Um, so yeah, now I get that too.

5:00But the snookie thing, the thing that was really interesting about the snookie situation was, and it showed kind of the direction they were going. The first time they aired it, they blacked out the punch. So you saw the guy turned toward her, the screen went black, and then you saw her on the ground. The next time they aired it, they, they showed him what was, it was really interesting the way they decided to go like, no, let's just show it. And so they originally didn't. And then they made, someone made the decision, show the actual hit. And then they showed it over and over. Well, see, that's kind of my problem is that I feel like, you know, it's the frog boiling in the water thing. It's like these little degrees of like, well, what are we going to accept as okay to like just stand by and let people do live on television or not even lie. But we're going to edit it and exploit it. And, you know, I feel like, yeah, if you think back to the way the news used to be or even these early reality shows, it was nothing compared to these days, you know. Yeah. And I think, of course, everything's been accelerated by the internet. So videos. I was going to say, look at social media now. I mean, so much violence and flat out watch murder. I mean, it's just, I know.

6:00It's really sad. And maybe we are getting to a point of, yeah, let's just go back to gladiators. You know, let's go back to people surrounding each other in the ring. And it's running man. And they would be so produced. Well, you see, you see is kind of that, right? You know, I know. I'm your fan. But I remember when it first came out, feeling a little, I mean, I can't watch it. Like I can't. I can't even really watch regular boxing. Right. I find violence really hard to watch. And I find it, you know, so abhorrent to experience. Right. I've gotten more used to boxing, but I like it better in a fictional context. I like it in a movie. I like it. Yeah. When I'm watching a real fight, I'm usually just like, oh, I look away. Yeah. And you have see I can't watch because for that reason, it's like it's just really beautiful. Yeah. There were no rules. And it was just the whole idea was let's see what happens if you put a boxer against the wrestler. What happens? You put a mix, you know, somebody who does Kung Fu. Again, somebody who does blah, you know, so it was that, but it was way too brutal. Then the Fertida's bought it and Dana White came in and added actual rules. And then now it's to the point where the people train their

7:00whole lives in MMA. And it's two people that, it becomes like a game of chess when you get two people that are really good at it. Right, because they're both doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Correct. So both straight up MMA. It's striking. It's kind of stuff. So I've always been a fan of that stuff. Watching somebody like punch somebody else in the face repeatedly is really hard to agree. I get it. I get it. But you know, at the same time, it's like, and this is where the algorithm of the internet is just so crazy. Like I definitely have gone through periods where I'm flipping through my Instagram. And I realized like, I've gotten a lot of like drunk guy getting kicked off a plane for being racist videos. Yeah. Like for whatever reason, I lingered too long on two of these. And now it's just, he didn't meet the same thing. You know, it's like, I remember when, when Reels first came out, you could click a button and be like, you're recommended Reels. Oh god. And, and, and, and, and Alex and I were in New York. Actually, she was making her movie in New York. And we're, we discovered this. And, and Alex was clicking on her. She's like, all my Reels are like, really nice hotel rooms.

8:00Like beautiful hotel rooms. Like, zilloporn. And then people jumping off of high places. I mean, that's what, you just get recommended. Like, guys and girls was like, you know, it was always the same song of like, you know, somebody, I forget what the song was, but I believe I can fly, probably. It will come to me. Anyway, she kept, and we were, and unfortunately, Indy was there to see this. They're like, what's your Instagram Reels? Just women bouncing. But just, I'm like, what have I done? But it's just literally women being like, hey, and I'm like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? You know, I would probably be food and random people punch in the face, which is they've grown on my, they've thrown it now on my thing. Where it's just like, hey, I'm on the bus and somebody punches me in the face. That's it. So yeah, it's, it's strange. I do have a bit of a bone to pick with you though, if I'm honest, since we're talking about elephants in the room. Uh-oh. I noticed she had a new partner last week. Yeah, I'm, I'm hoping that she will come back too. That's what I figured. That's what I figured. That's maybe really make this a good show. See, like, like, you guys were pretty comfortable. See, is what will,

9:00she knew things about survivor. So it was, I know things about survivor. I think you were magical rewinding somewhere. No, I was, it was my mom's 85th birthday. I was back in Connecticut. So yeah, I was traveling. That one passed. Yeah, you better. There is something else I'd like to bring up, which I think is pretty important as well. Are you ready? Yeah. Are you sure you're ready? Yeah. Ooh. You got the pants. I got the pants, my friend. I've had so many messages from people doing like, who's not a social media? Get him to pants. I got him. I am wearing my survivor pants as we speak. Now you just got to get Jonathan's body. Yeah. Good luck with that. Stereoids. Yeah. He's a giant. It's like, seriously, there's fables written. Not stories. Fables written about that man. He's literally like a he-man figure. Yes. Like he looks exactly like the he-man figures. Yeah. He does. He does. He's like, he's man at arms. Like his head just been around. Yeah. Because they all had the same body back in the day that he made figures. And they weren't like bodybuilders have gotten even crazier.

10:01But he-man was just like those perfect alpha body. And that's exactly what he is. Well, Jesus Christ. Look at that guy. Yes, seriously. He is. And all of his clothes look like they're made by fishermen in a small village. And so I was able to find the pants and wear my survivor pants. I remember my survivor pants. No, this is the new traitors cloak. I have got. I will say they're comfortable as hell. These things are amazing. So this and a pair of crocs. I'm a happy survivor guy. All right. I'm assuming you watched episode three. I watched all of I'm completely caught up. So don't get it. Yeah. So I don't know if you listen to me and Sophie, but we had a really conversation. No. It was painful and it hurt. And I don't want to know anything about it. I know you should eat for like 11 days. 11 days. No eating. Show. It was funny because they had- I had some questions that we had brought up ahead of time or that we'd already talked about that I was able to ask her. I can't remember any of them. So I want to-

11:01But then I have questions that came up to me. Like while we were doing- You should listen to it. You should listen to it. I don't want to repeat. But I would say that the one thing I definitely want to talk to you about is, finally, we have seen a chink in Jeff Probe's Dharma, which is his rapping ability. He doesn't as the kids would say necessarily have the flow. But- That's the equivalent of me rapping. What if it was- Between last week's Jeff rapping and now a country singer who I've never heard of taking that out of our episode. I have. I was like, I don't know what's- I mean, no, the country music I never heard of. Sorry, everybody. I had neither. I have like pop culturally disabled. Me too. We knew who it was. I'm not culturally disabled, but I very specifically really don't know anything about hip-hop or country music. They're just two areas. I know more about hip-hop than I do country music. Yeah, but I know nothing. So, yeah, so this week, yeah. So between the last two weeks musically, I feel very out of touch. Yeah. Me too. I feel like Jeff really shouldn't have-

12:02Should have- That was a rough. And Sophie was like, I think he might have recommended- He might have suggested to- Oh, God. Yeah, no. So, yeah. What rhymes with don't rap anymore, Jeff? Yes. This is what I would take as a flow. Yeah. I'm going to be totally honestly, too. I still can't get into it. I just- What the show? The show. I don't get it. Are you kidding me? No. I thought this was- Because I thought this was one of the best episodes. It's- This is literally just a bunch of people sitting around all episode talking about who they're going to vote off. That's the whole show. And then occasionally they go out- And then they can- Well, yeah, then they can- Then they go out and they do a weird physical challenge. And then they sit back in- Again, in the woods and talk about who they're going to kick off. That's it. It's Big Brother just in- It's just Big Brother just in the woods. That's- Well, how is it different than traders? Because traders is like- There's a pageantry to traders. And it's there's that, you know, this ridiculous kind of characters and the big costumes and all that stuff. This is literally just people sitting around going, Hey, should we vote out this person? No, we should vote out that person. Well, what about this?

13:02Well, I don't want to be with them. I can't believe they said they were going to vote me out. And I'm just like- No, no, no. They are spearfishing. But that's- Okay. Show me that. The idea that she said I haven't eaten in 11 days. Show me that you guys can't get food. Show me all that stuff. We talked about this day one. Yes. Could not be more- I think these episodes should be more about like the- Surviving. Right. Or even this silliness, like when they did the talent show, I was like, I want to see more of that, you know? Like- Yes. That's- Yes. Like I want the like, what's it like to be bored, you know, and days in and all you have is- Yeah, but I agree. They get into the strategy. They get it. And partly, you know, I think maybe as the show goes on because there'll be less characters, you might get a little more into it. Right. Because you get more attached to people. Right now, it really is a little hard to be like, wait, Stephanie. Right. And- I'm learning the people's names when they're kicked off. I'm like, oh, that was cute. I know. That's- That's how I- And I'm thinking about you as I'm watching this because what you said about traders,

14:03where you were like, I kind of wish I started with just regular people. Yeah. I wish I started Survivor on a season where it's not about- It's not about- It's not about inter-personal relationships that come from other seasons that I'm completely unaware of. I agree. So I know people are watching this, people that are bigs. It seems like this season of Survivor is made for people who watch Survivor. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's like a culmination of all the years. Yes. But yeah, I agree. Like, we kind of screwed ourselves with traders and Survivor. They're both meta. You know, they're both like in these sort of meta-season moments. Yeah. And I- I agree. I don't- I don't love it. I mean, I like this one because I have my favorite people that I like watching. Yeah. But that's- That's my thing. Like, I- I agree, man. Like, I think the joy of Survivor has- Just adjusted. And it's interesting to think about how that's happening overall, culturally. Do you know what I mean? Right. Even our politicians are usually people we've already seen before. Right. Yeah.

15:03It's like we're in this echo chamber of like, you know, we only nominate or want to see people that have already done other things before. Yeah. It's a weird like repetitive moment. Look at what we do for a living. We're going back and watching our show from 30 years ago because there's a comfortability to- Yes. Something we already know. And as somebody deals with anxiety, there's a reason I watch mash every night when I'm going to better. Yes. People who are anxious. People watch the same things over and over because it's- No surprises. You know what to expect. Go in with that. So I- Yes. I was interviewed about my other podcast- The Red Weather. Please go to it now if anybody's interested. I'm right. I was being interviewed about it by this cultural critic who goes by pop smart media. Dr. Shannon, she's amazing. And she brought up the fact that during times of like extreme conflict, historically people go to fantasy or nostalgia. And it's so true. It's like fantasy or nostalgia. It's like escapism or what we already know and feel comfortable with. And I think that-

16:03Yes. I think that we are definitely in that moment kind of overall for maybe the last like 10, 15 years. Culturally we're just seem to be going further and further. Like you don't see much new stuff. You know, that's why I love to see like a movie like Sinners, which you know take or leave it. What's great is it's original. Yeah. You know, like I just- Yeah. The chance that a studio will give a director an original movie. And especially a new director that isn't somebody from the 90s like all Thomas Anderson. Right. I love. But like, what was a new director? Like what was the last time we saw it? All right. We're going off on a tangent. Let's see. By the way, you just- You just put a new word in my head because you know that I'm writing a book and it's- It's nostalgia and fantasy. I love- It's gotta be called fanstalgia. Fanstalgia? Fanstalgia is brilliant. I don't know. That really sounds like a disease that you get cured by cold water. Like, saltwater. If you have fanstalgia. I had to have fanstalgia, but I had to have fanst the baking powder on it. First of all, baking powder does everything.

17:03I don't like that little fake little product that does everything. How about no- No antecedent. No, see it doesn't work. We'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. Let's do a survivor. Let's do survivor. Episode four. Q has been voted out. Yeah. Stephanie is very sad about it. Stephanie would like an E in the wrong place. I know. There's a Y in there for some reason. The whole question without his H really throws me through- Yeah, all of it's very strange. Like, you should be Christian or something. I just don't want to say it. Agreed. Agreed. These are the important observations. You can only get here, people. This is what you come to Podby's twirl. No idea what the Joe's about, but spill your name so lamely. I said, writer strong. I said shut up, bro. Okay. Writers strong and well-freedle. Not our Y-D-R. He's got to make it harder for everybody. I love it. All right.

18:04So what was interesting about this moment coming back to camp is how- Because you know, there's always like- They have to face who they blindside. Because usually there's one person or two people who didn't know the way the vote was going to go. So there's always this- And I thought it's so interesting that Aussies like immediately- It comes like coach like- I don't mean like the character, but like a camp counselor. Yeah. Like talking to everybody and it's like, Okay, so we had to do that. And he kind of made- Which is like such a bad move. He has that charisma, but like dude, He don't take credit for this. No, I agree. You know, he does- He does this kind of stuff all the time. He's a good guy, but you're actually putting yourself in a vulnerable position. Like- Yeah. He should have just let somebody else take the fall for that. And you know, anyway. But he immediately is like, I want to get Angelina out because I want to become Mike's number one. So last week was the tribe swap. Which frankly, when I tuned in, I thought it was going to be a much more entertaining episode. It was not what I thought it was going to be. Yeah. I think it was just- Lots of sex in between the different tribes. And that's not what happened. So that was not what a tribe swap I thought it would. That would be the tribe swinging. That's okay.

19:05I was like, ooh, tribe swap. We're finally getting there on Survivor. And then no, they just- They just put on different color headbands. Like, oh man, that sucks. But you saw how it kind of resets the show. Right. And that's a normal thing every year. They do a twilight tribe swap. Not every year. No, not every year. And in fact, they did it so early this year. It was just like, ooh. Okay. And yeah, unfortunately, it's not bowed well for Vatu because- Keep losing. Keep losing. Yeah. That thing that happens, man. It's just getting weaker, getting weaker. And, you know, I think we saw it this episode when you vote out your physical players. I didn't get that. I mean, I guess with the same- We're just exactly what Ozzy said. Yeah. It's like, why are we getting rid of the queue? The big dude that can help us push stuff. What are you thinking? I know. And you saw it immediately in this challenge. Yeah. It's just, yeah. And I'm surprised they didn't say anything about it. Like none of them brought it up. I guess they just know that's on them. Right. It would be, and I told you so to themselves. A little bit of what I told you so far. Ozzy could have gone along.

20:05No, I agree. I agree. It's like how, you know, you- It's what Ben told us about traders. It's a Ben or Chad of Tulsa. Where it's like, keep- Keep the person you know who's a trader there the whole time until the end and then vote them out. Where it's like, yeah, keep the people that are going to help you with the heavy shit. Keep them there for a while. Yes, but over at the other tribe, you also want to keep your talent and talent show people. Ooh. Wow. Wow. Okay. What's the number one rule about when you know your impression is horrible? Uh, don't do it. When you have to say who you're doing the impression. Exactly. Like, you can't do it. You can't do it. Oh, yeah. No. Let's see. Mickey's up here. Hi. I'm Mickey Mouse. Oh, boy. Yeah, right. Yes. I'm Mickey Mouse. Don't you get it? Hey. It's me. Look at Goofy and Pluto. They're my dogs and stuff. It's Mickey. You're like, yeah. You talking to me? Yeah.

21:05Are you talking to me? Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro. I'm funny. How? I'm funny. How? I'm funny. I'm funny. How? It's not true. Yeah. No number one rule of impressions. If you got to say the name. It's not good. Not good. Uh. And so I would have given it to the wrestlers because I thought that was cool. I thought that was fun. That was great. Yeah. And a fake punch in and all that stuff was great. I mean, while over at Calo, coaches getting his hair braided. Uh. It's a beautiful braid. She was like, I'm good. I'm good at braid. Whoever that person was was like, man, I'm really good at braid. That's what happened. Was it Chet? I don't even know who it was. I don't know. I don't know any of these people. I don't know any of these people. We'll get there. We'll get there. And now, and it's like right when I start to learn somebody's name, they switch the tribes. And they're like, okay. I know. I'm going to wait till the last three. Right. It's a hard season, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You came in on a tough season. I get it. I get it. Aubrey is the one that's the outcast,

22:05the sort of nerdy girl who's worried. Yes. And so she's looking for idols when Genevieve is suddenly calling out for her. And she's like, my God, leave me alone. But she has a Billy Idol. Aubrey does. That's what she's gifted. Yes. And nobody's called a Billy Idol yet. How is that possible? In four episodes, nobody's called a Billy Idol yet. No one has your brain. No one. I probably wouldn't have thought about it. I'm sad. So sad. This generation. Genevieve then goes and finds another Billy Eilish idol, which I can't even keep track of these anymore. Is this, and now I thought, okay, so question. Are there, are all these idols going to be Billy Eilish or do you get different types of idols for the whole? I don't know, man. I thought maybe this would finally just be a regular idol. Right. It was a Billy Eilish idol. So I guess maybe that's just the way the season's going to work. On different seasons, though, do different idols do different things? Yes. Okay. They always have a type of idol. And I think the question for me is I can't answer is, are they only one type of idol

23:05for the whole season? Right. I'm not sure. I feel like there have been different types of idols. But there's also just been times where they don't even find an idol. They only find a clue. And then that clue becomes an advantage. And then that advantage might lead them to an idol. That's cool. Yes. Oh, there's tons of, they've had to like dig up, like they've had to like, in your, in, like there, like some of the fondest is when it's, like a treasure hunt. So it will be like, Oh, yeah. If you, in your main camp, something is hidden, but you only can see it if you, you know, go here and then they were like, in front of everybody having to like dig something up. Oh, yeah. Stuff like that. I love that stuff. I love that too. I love that too. And plain sight on traders. It's like that. I have to find the idol. I love it. And that's like super fun. Yes. It's like right underneath where everyone's getting their water. So you have to like, come back for it later or, you know, it's super cool. Yeah, I like that. I like that. And so this, I was a little, honestly, just disappointed to see the Billy Eilish idol come back. Yeah. Maybe.

24:05But I will say the way she played it is super interesting. Did you, did you capture her, her whole strategy with this? What do you mean? Well, so she's going to give it to Rizzo. Right. So that then when they can come back together, she can tell him, I gave that to you, we're in an alliance together, because I gave that to you. But then they put them out. So she gets the idol super smart. It's actually super smart way to use the boomerang. Yeah. Which I had not thought that through. Yeah. Until she said that, I was like, oh, that's the smartest thing to do. It's, it's, but I thought you had to give it to somebody in a different tribe. She did. But she knows that she's going to then play him later. Oh, so that's right, because it says something like it doesn't, it's not active until there's like five people left, or something like that. There was something like that. There were five people left. Is that what is it up until five people? At some point they're going to murder all the tribes. So if he makes it to the end, he could still have the idol with her. Gotcha. She already has an idol, right? Because she has one that somebody, oh, no, she found one. No, she did it to Ozzy.

25:06Oh, right. She gave it to Ozzy. Okay. So she's going to come together and be like, Ozzy, I gave you yours. Rizzo, I gave you yours. And she knows she can turn on, on Rizzo and get it for herself. And I think the other thing is because it looks like there's clearly a disconnect between Rizzo and the other dude, the other young guy. Charlie. Charlie. And so I think one of the other things with the Billy Idol is if you're voted out and it's still in your pocket, it reverts back to the person that found it. So you can do it again. That's right. No, she's going to be doing it. But she doesn't even have to vote him out. Like his, his own tribe. And then if he doesn't play it, then she gets it back. So yeah. So weirdly, you want to pick somebody who's targeted. That's why Aubrey was the choice for the other, you know, other smart. Yeah, smart. All right. Then we go to this immunity challenge. And the second I saw this thing, because they have done this in the past, I was like, oh God, because this is one of the hardest immunity challenges. Like with the sunken boat. The boat is so heavy.

26:06You can see them just like, and that's why I was immediately like, they're going to regret regret voting. Not having to use socks, man. Yep. Every time they've had this, it's like, or maybe they've only had it once, but I remember it for being just like the most grueling, horrible, horrible challenge to watch. But this is something like this becomes more effective as a viewer. If I know how hungry they are at this point. Yeah. If I understand that they've been, my God, I didn't eat today. We've had nothing. I had a handful of rice. And now I have to push a boat. Then I get it more because I'm sitting there as a viewer who doesn't know how hungry they are because they're not playing any of this stuff. I'm just supposed to assume. And I'm like, well, why is that one team not able to push the boat at all? Yeah. Why can that, you know, the other, well, Jeff says it, he keeps saying like, after not eating, no, during the, yeah, but during he was also like, but also like watching how happy they are to eat food when they get there. That's, yes, that's what I mean. It means so much more if they play into the hunger. And there's no food in my God. I think there's just an assumption

27:06that you've seen enough survivor. No. I know. She's the same. Yeah. So we get this whole guessing game of what the special guest who's coming to the island is going to be. Is this normal? Do they normally bring people on the island? Nope. Nope. Never seen this before. Okay. And, you know, I thought it was cool, but it went on a long time. Yeah. I mean, this was like 25 minutes of the episode was like this exact brown special, which, okay, like, I don't, I have no reason. Is this a great guy? Yeah. Yeah. But I did not need to see a commercial of, or like a music video of him spearfishing and then playing like three songs. Does he play three songs? I think so, yeah. I was just definitely like, all right. And they're good songs. Like, I was like, yeah, I should check out his music. But those are also incredibly long fins. Did you notice how long his fins were when he got an Asian spear? Yeah. He was spearfishing with the bazooka. He did. He did. I mean, nine foot fins. Sorry.

28:06Sorry. You're right. Your reward is that this guy's going to catch you fish and play music. And at this point, I was like, oh, they're going to catch the fish for him and say he caught it, which I had to see wasn't the case. Yeah. I was impressed that the show didn't just manipulate us and I showed him fishing. All right. So then, Suri sits out. Genevieve sits out. It's a little moment, I don't know, when Genevieve gets to be the one that sits out, where I thought maybe Aubrey was a little pissed. She like turned her head. Turn her head. Just like the quickest thing. I didn't go back. Okay. If any of our listeners thought the same thing, because obviously the Genevieve Aubrey, there's a rivalry. Yeah. Really, really leaning into here. And then they start the thing, Ozzy, last one in the water, first one to the platform, because he is just a Superman. Yeah, he's a dolphin. Yes. Then they have to untie these buckets with the knots, telling you not to do anything. Not to stuff. You would not件事情. Not climbing things to untie things. It's all I would do to stand. I would just climb something and untie something, climb something and untie something,

29:07swim, swim and then yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then just pushing these't, these boats, like, it's just looked so hard. Evan Zunnits them boats. Sold meちゃ Quzon off. instance? So true. Start to thing over by himself. Yeah,影片 over by himself after your dumping of, I mean, just now, what do you think the chances are that a good portion of his power and strength comes from his pants, which I now have. We'll see. You think next week you'll be like pushing shipwrecks out of the moon? I'm wondering if, is it become, is there a superhuman power in the patchwork pants? For the same pants? Yes. I'm just wondering, I might be very much stronger than you come in soon, because of the pants. It's all on the way. I can't wait. Let's have a challenge, my friend. Let's have a challenge. Flip over, boat, untie some shit. Do you remember the one time we tried to play basketball? No. Besides on Point Me's World, which we did with the home improvement kiss. You and our brothers, your brother Greg and my brother shall try to play basketball in West Hollywood. You don't remember this? No, my God, I blocked this out. When our brothers were living together in West Hollywood,

30:09we were like, we should, uh, we should play some basketball. We were like, yeah, we lasted 15 minutes. I think that. I just remember you red face shredded me, unable to breathe and I think you could just be like, all right, we're done. We have a new man trying to go smoke. I probably had to, yeah, I probably had to stop to smoke a cigarette. We would not do well and survive for my friend. No, my God. And that was when we were like 20, eights. And what do you say? Not even. Like I was pretty even younger. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, so I'm glad I blanked that out. Oh my God. Hey, I'm in shape. Round to shape. Yeah. All right. So, um, Kahlo wins. Yeah. Sylas in second. And Vatu is just destroyed yet again. And they are so exhausted and defeated. Just watching them crawl out of the net was like the saddest thing in the world. Well, that was the thing they finished. One team was done already back at their camp listening to music. The other team was done, had built a sand castle, was all having fun. The third team was still in the net. Like they cut to it and it was like, oh my God,

31:10they're still in the net. I felt so bad. I know. Horrible. And horrible. Mike White just, he aged about 15 years in the course of this episode. He did. Like Jeff calls him out of the territory tribal. He's like, yeah, you, he gets this like far away look in his eyes where he's just like, you're out of it, dude. You like it? Looking a little rough there, bro. Yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, it was. They were all just white. I also love it. It was really that I noticed it in this episode. Only once or twice, they call him Mike. They always call him Mike White. They always called him Mike White the whole time. Yeah, really weird. Yeah. So at the sanctuary, which is this is where they get to go further rewards if they get food. And it's just heaven on earth for everybody. Cause like you see them. They're just like beer chips. Yeah. Oh my God. Also though, one of the things Sue and I were talking about was A,

32:11you're in the sun a whole lot with no calories in you. You start drinking. You're going to get hammered. I know. I would never do that. You couldn't. No. And two, you're going to waste it. You're going to eat too much. And there's a good chance you're also going to have some serious gastrointestinal problems. That's happened. I've seen. They've shown people like throwing up or how could you not because you go from nothing to essentially, you got to take it easy. You got to take it easy. Yeah. But this is why I would start myself before ever going out there. Yes. I would be like, I would be a, I would be fasting and working out like for weeks just to build your, your body, like get your body used to that. Cause yeah. The survivor diet week. We should start to survive. And then it becomes this commercial for Zach Brown's awesomeness. Watching him jump into the water with this like bazooka spear that I was just like, what? Have you ever been spear fishing? I have not. Okay. I've been spear fishing. But you do it like, like Ozzy does it with like a sling. Which is a stretchy.

33:11Yeah. And like one little. And you just say, no, this is like, it almost like looks like an automatic rifle. It is. It was not. But then he catches a fish that is bigger than anything. Yeah. Two, two tuna. Oh my god. He's insane. And how he's talking about how he's like, he got to get it in because the sharks are coming. He's like, oh my god. That's crazy. But it also happened to me. Did you notice though that it looked like every single one of his tattoos he had done yesterday? No. Why? Oh, like they were all bright. In fact, like I have tattoos. And there's some I forget I have and I look at him like, oh my god, I can't believe you can even still see the ink. His, they looked like he was just kind of their fresh. Yes. Like every six months he goes, he has them redone. Cause they, they clearly wanted to make Zach Brown look awesome. So they might have just given him a little color corrective. He looked pretty awesome though. He looked awesome. He looked pretty awesome. Yeah, I was too. We can't do the one shark encounter I've ever had with spear fishing and that's exactly what happened. It ate your fish. Well, here's the thing. I was going with my buddy who's like a big spear fisher. He got a... Where? In the Bahamas. Okay.

34:12And he, you know, I did two trips with him and I only ever got a lobster cause I can't hit shit. My aim... Lobster. Lobster. No, it's what you walked up and just knock it on the head. No, they're under it. Like you have to find them under rocks, like in the core, like you have to find a low under. So I found him a little thing. But he's not moving. Yeah. Right. So that was my big spear fishing moment. I think I got two lobster, but he got a, you know, and it was so funny cause like before we went, he's like, stay calm if we see sharks. It's not that big of a deal. You know, whatever. And I was like, okay, okay. So, you know, I'm terrified of sharks and of course. And then we get in the water and he, he got a fish. So he's got a fish in the end of, and nothing like the size of the... Right. Like a regular size little fish. It's like, cool, we're going to get sushi. Like, you know, if we get four more in these, we have a meal and then, and, and then I see a shark and it's, you know, not huge, but it's a freak shark. It's in his shark swimming towards us. Oh God. And my buddy, like, pops up out of the water and where he's up about it, and I pop up

35:12and where he's talking to me, I forget what he was saying, and I'm just like trying to stay calm. My heart's racing. I know the shark is coming towards us out of the water. And I'm like, hey, so, okay, and I don't want to interrupt him, but I'm like, yeah, did you... You saw the shark. You saw the shark, right? And he's like, what? And he looks down and the shark is like, coming right down, because he's a bleeding fish. So then he, the shark comes right out of me, he, like, dives away and has to give, give the shark the fish. Because the shark was, like, actually... What's coming? Yay. Oh God. You know, he was bleeding down his hand from the spear, so he just like, turned it over and like, pushed the fish off and let the, let the shark get the fish. And then he was like, well, writer, you were a little too calm. You told me to be calm. You told me to be cool. I was trying to be cool. We'll do this, dude. It was fine with the freaking shark. No. No, thank you. No, no. No. It'll be no boo for me. Thank you very much. Yeah. No, thank you. It was pretty cool, though. We were literally having sushi every night. Like, we would catch fish and then just have sushi. It was delicious. Oh. So much fun. Cool. Anyway, not as good as that brown. No.

36:13That guy's a monster. A monster. Yeah. And then, you know, they have this incredible meal after he like, carves it up for them. And then they get a private concert, which reminded me of, um, boy, me twirled where I was awkwardly staring at the, nobody said, he's just performing with your face, with my face. They had a much better concert that, that they were clearly actually interviewed. Yeah, they're interviewed. Oh, it's like, oh, what would I have been like? I mean, I wouldn't have actually been into it. I like, I love his voice. Oh, he's good for that. I mean, I'm not into country music, but I will certainly listen to him. He seems like he's a good guy. He seemed like he was a big fan. Um, the man's got phenomenal things. Uh, so yeah, this was, uh, I'm a fan. I'll check it out. All right. Over at, uh, Cilla D was crying. She's a big, Zach Brown fan. Oh, that's the crying Zach Brown. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then Rizzo gets his, his idol that he's been gifted from the Billy Idol. I think he is the best rock star.

37:15I was like, every season's like, did you play two? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody also gave this to you. You didn't find anything. Someone handed it to you. I'm one of the better players to ever play this game and I'm like, you are so 25 right now. I know. I know. Man. I do like him. And Sophie, it was on with me last week said she, they're like best friends. Okay. She's, she was so cool. And she's like, he's a genuinely great guy. I believe her. I believe that he is a good guy. I'd ask that you not mention her anymore. Okay. Okay. Let's not bring her up. Okay. Hey, my new coast. Hey. Oh, so sweet. So painful. So painful. She was actually probably really upset that you weren't here. We'll just have her back on. Uh-huh. I wore new pants for you to try to get it to get back into a relationship. We'll bring her back. We'll see. I've got some things to say to her. I feel like Rizzo's performance as we go on and especially the fact that she brought, he brought her up in the episode that we were, that she was on to recap with me. I have a feeling like Rizzo is going to, you know, there's going to be something some drama later on that we would love to have her weigh in on. Okay. Question.

38:16Is, is survivor like, it seems like in traders, when somebody mentions your name, your, your moments up, like your, your, the countdown has started for you being kicked off. Is it kind of the same on survivor because now his, that Charlie or whatever's name is, now he's like, I'm getting this dude off, is that usually the start of like, we're going to get somebody off. Yes. But that's also editing, right? Like they could bring you up people constantly and just not showing them. Yeah, that's true too. But they've really planted the seeds for a rivalry here because they reiterated that this episode and it has nothing to do with this episode. So when you see that kind of editing where they brought it back up, played it out, I bet you next episode, that rivalry is going to really come. Okay. Or maybe four episodes down the line. Right. But they are, they clearly plant these seeds for the whole season. Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. But I would love to be, you know, I'd love to experience what, what, how many times they do have these conversations that go nowhere and therefore don't get, you know, like we talked about. You wonder the amount of footage they're throwing out where it's just like, well, they're on the beach all day. Every day, all night.

39:16You could do 15 episodes a week of the same, the same day if you wanted to. They are the number of crews with them at night because there have been episodes where in the middle of the night, people sneak out to go do something like Barry and I will get a, get a Barry and I will order meat rendezvous with another person in the middle of the night and the camera crews are there. So they have, there are people always on the beach filming them constantly, right? Do they ever give any kind of logistics of how close you are to another camp? I mean, do they like walking distance from from each other or would have loved to ask Sophie? I mean, no, because they always have to take boats. Right. They always show up in boats. So you never see people like walk to another camp. Okay. You wonder how close they are to each other in actuality. I do too. That's a good question. Okay. All right. Over at Vatu, I thought it was interesting how positive they were all be. Yeah. You know, we went from Cila where D's like crying like you guys got immunity and then we go to Vatu and they're like, all right, team, we did, we didn't win, but we did okay. You got it. Yeah.

40:16We did all right. Like what? Really? I guess they, you know, they say it right away is that they were already kind of planning to go for Angelina, which is Mike Ozzy and Christian's plan, which, which one's Angelina? The one who stayed despite being the one that they said they were going to vote off. Oh, big curly brown hair. So Angelina is like Mike's sidekick because they were on a season together. And then she's the one that I think was on White Lotus as like a, had like a one line on White Lotus. That's her. I think that's Angelina. Okay. So that's what Mike, when he, the other one is the big curly hair. So that's why when Mike runs, he spends this entire, you know, rest of this episode trying to save Angelina, and he even has to admit, it's not because she's a good player. Right. He's doing it because they're, they're friends. Right. Like they were on their freebies season. So he's just kind of doesn't want her to get kicked off turns out to be a really bad move. Yeah. So Mike decides to start targeting Emily to kind of get everybody off of Angelina.

41:18And he has his great line where I was like, oh, this, this guy's clearly a writer where he says, you know, she's a cougar in the shape of a red fair girl. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But then we'll come back later because he has some not so great lines coming up. The second he said it's at this game, I'm Machiavelli. I knew who was gone. I turned to Sue and I went, he's voted out tonight. You can't get too cocky, man. No. And the second they start to show, it's like when you watch top chef, when they start to weirdly focus on one chef, it's always like, that's what is going to be kicked off tonight. And the second they started really focusing on Mike and some of those zingers he was pointing out, I was like, he's done. I know they're kicking him out tonight. I know. I loved this singer. And I was like, he's a great writer. Yeah. He got Stephanie on his side. Then he tells Christian and Angelina to go for Emily. And Christian is in this sort of, he's stuck because he feels, you know, but and then Mike and Christian have this scene, which turns out to be a pretty big thing. And this is where Mike's writing linguistic ability was not so good. He says, she's a nerd bomb where the nerd girl stabs the nerd guy in the back.

42:23She was mixing your metaphors, dude. I like you. Love it. I love it. But what I really was thinking while I'm watching this, I was like, Mike, you're the nerd girl in this situation or the nerd guy doing the same thing. You're going to turn around and stab Christian in the back. And I was so glad that Christian saw that for what it was because he, you know, he's smart. He's smart. Christian is very smart. Yeah. And I was going to be humble in a way that that Mike is not, right? Mike is, I think, been directing a little too long and believes in his own persuasive powers a little too much. Well, he said he's like all the only thing survivor is it's just convincing other people to do what you want them to do. And I was like, wow, he's right, kind of, but it's still like, yeah, and he does have good skills at it. But, you know, when you're directing your actors on white lotus, they kind of have to do what you're going to say. Right. So you think you're a great persuasive person, but the reality is they get paid to be there and do what you're, you know, you're the boss. Your cast isn't going to turn around and vote you out of directing. No. No.

43:23Yeah. That work, maybe, but even at this point, no, no, by the second season of white lotus, they're getting him do whatever he wants. Yeah. What do you need? He took that for granted, man. I think because really he should have been drawing Christian in, you know, and instead he really kind of pushed him away from it with this moment and his ego got him kicked out this week. I think so, man. 100%. And I think so because actually you look at Mike and Christian and Emily, these are the sort of nerdier. Like they should have just taken together and said by like characterizing her as a nerd, Christian's going to take that personally for him to, you know, it's like wearing a robot shirt. Yeah. Not a cool way to go, man. No, no. It was a big misstep on my work. That was, I agree. 100%. He was, his ego got him kicked off the show. All right. I liked, I liked the way that he dealt with it though. I like how he was like, oh, of course. Nice. Exactly. Exactly. Good job, guys. Like I like that. No, I should really hurt. I should really hurt. Ultimately a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. I think he just screwed up here. And, and you know, and all comes back actually to him wanting to support Angelina as a friend. Yeah. And all goes back to a strategic misstep, you know, that he made haphazard, you know,

44:27haphazard. Yeah. As President George Bush so eloquently said, strategic, strategic, yep. So Christian decides to make this big move to vote out Mike, which he only needs, you know, a couple votes. And I love that he's like, we don't tell Ozzy because Ozzy's gunning for a white lotus cameo. I love that was so good. And it's kind of true because Ozzy does, no, Mike, Mike said that they, they hung out in LA as friends. And then, and Ozzy said, I want, I want to be Mike's number one. So Christian is exactly right, which I then love that Emily, who just cannot keep her mouth shut. Oh my God. I couldn't believe that. I couldn't believe it. It's like just don't say anything. I know. How hard is it to just not say something? It ultimately does work in their favor though. I mean, knowing how the episode actually ended, I'm like, that's good because Ozzy can't be really pissed at Emily anymore. You know what I mean? But you can't ever tell her anything, ever. I know. Because it's like that is not a person you want on your side. Yes. Really? You're just going to go to, she first she told about the idol and then she told about

45:30this. It's like, just keep your mouth shut. But luckily, she doesn't say we're voting like Ozzy still thinks they're voting for Angelina, which I think if they had told, I think if they had told him that they were voting for Mike, Ozzy would have run to tell Mike. And I think it would. I think so too. And he's standing behind. He's standing behind like this. Just dipping her mouth. Yes. Be quiet, be quiet. But you know, it is, I can't wait to see what happens because Christian trusting Emily at this point could be that nerd bomb, exactly what Mike said. So he's asking Emily to trust him and he's trusting Emily, who's already blurted out and, but she does stick to the plan. But I think maybe, you know, even by next episode, Christian could be, you know, regretting his decision to stick with Emily over almost anybody else at this. Yes. And I'm hoping again, I think you're right. Because they get weeded down more. I'm going to start getting attached to certain people like on traders and it's going to be then I'm going to be in. Yeah. I just want them to do a little more surviving. And I get what they mean. I get the metaphor of you're actually surviving the vote as opposed to surviving on the

46:34island. I'd like to see a little bit of this. Right. We get to tribal council and to your point, Ozzy talks about catching eight fish. Would you never saw him like go, I'm going to go get some food, but like, dude caught them eight fish. That is insane after pulling that boat, pushing that boat. He was like the only one in the back for a little while too, like, yeah, I still don't get how you've said that that's the guy who keeps getting voted off of every other season. It's like, how's that dude? Do you want to get rid of? I guess I kind of get it, but he deserves the win when it gets to the individual immunity. He just kicks everyone's eyes. That's what I mean. He deserves to win. So you want to keep him until, yeah, it's really tricky, man. They find inside him like crazy, but yeah, he provides food for everybody. But if you want him really to survive where he says, okay, you lost. So I'm taking your, your flint. Okay.

47:34Well, everybody has fired what they should do is they should take their fire like you don't get fire anymore. It's not that you don't get a way to start your fire because you've already started your fire. We're extinguishing your fire and you don't get a fire until you win again. That would be interesting. Well, they do take their flint. What do you mean? No, no, no. I'm saying instead of taking their flint, they take the flint, but they also extinguish whatever fire they have and they're not allowed to have fire until they win again. That to me would be interesting because it's like, I know, but what, who cares, taking your flint just keep the fire going, taking their flint does nothing with the fire going. Yeah. Put the fire out. You don't get fire. That's what I'm saying, but you don't get, you don't get to do that. You're once the fire goes out, we're putting your fire out. You've lost. You can't have a fire again until, until you win again. That would be how I would do it. Oh, my gosh. You're harsh. You're harsh. I think they are surviving. The fans are turning me into a different guy. So. It's the pain. It's the pain. So Mike has this, this interesting line during tribal council, where he says, you know, there's some people you'd rather lose with than win with, which it's like, okay. Yeah. So you're going to lose with Angelina. Yeah.

48:35And he also has this great feel where he says, he's so used to selling people on his artistic projects. And until it comes out, you feel like a con artist, which I'm really related to. Of course. That's any, everybody in our industry can relate to that because you always have to say, like, just trust me. I have a vision or the story's going to be there before it's written or give me millions of dollars or give me the part, you know, it's, it was, it was really a well put like point. I had a meeting with somebody the other day who's at a position as career where he literally said to me, I'm in a place now where I can say whatever I want and everybody just says yes to me. And I was like, Oh, what a magical place really industry. Yeah. Oh, you got to tell me who this was. It was great. I don't know. It was. I didn't know about this meeting. It was just like, he's like my, my, my agents, my managers, other producers, they're just there to say yes to me when I come with any, uh, just like, wouldn't that be nice? Magical. That'd be nice. Absolutely. God. I mean, Mike White, whatever he's going to go pitch, they're going to do. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, that's the idea that he's doing survivor for fun is kind of cool, crazy,

49:39weird. Yeah. It's not pretty cool. I, he, he seems like a person I would really love having nothing to do with the industry, like not trying to pitch him anything, not trying to sell him anything. I would love to just sit down and have a meal and just talk to that guy because he seems like it would be a super interesting conversation, super entertaining, super funny. Yeah. So apparently he did a, a movie in 2000 that I was, I was looking at that Jeff Bridges came out and said it was the best movie and the best performance in a decade. Yeah. I know that he started with like, you know, much smaller comedies and then, um, you know, the fact that he's ended up doing white lotus is just bonkers. Maybe it's Chuck in book. Yes. I've heard about this. So he plays, he plays like a guy, plays a crazy guy who's like stalking his best friend. Yeah. And I was reading all about it and, and the, and ended with a quote of, of Jeff Bridges saying like, this is the best performance I've seen in a decade. Wow. Like, oh my God. Wow. So yeah, apparently, you know, he was great in school of rock, which I think is the only thing I've ever seen him in as an actor, but I mean, this guy is legit talented. So it's, I would love to sit down and have a conversation with him.

50:41Well, he's kicked off survivors. Bye. Season 50. Bye, bye, Mike. And was shot. I was like, wow. Chris's plan works perfectly. It does. It does. I thought it, you know, way to pull it off. I feel like, I feel like the, the tribe is going to be able to come together. I mean, Angelina is clearly on the outs. Right. So she's got some scrambling to do. But the fact that everybody else came together for this vote in some form or another. And I think that Ozzy's going to be able to forgive everybody. I, I hope in the seasons you've seen, have you ever seen a tribe that keeps losing, keeps losing, and then eventually turns around and gets stronger? Or do you just, is this like a slow death by a thousand paper cuts? It's just death. It's usually just death until they get down to like two people and then they just merge into the other drivers. Wow. I think, I mean, I, yeah, it's really hard to turn it around once, once you've gotten this week, you know, because now you can see that they're going to have to take two people out for each challenge on the other teams in order to match this team. Oh, that's right. So two people get to sit out every time. Oh. And they can't sit out more than, I think, once in a, in a row, maybe twice in a row.

51:43So it's going to get interesting, man. I mean, that's the only, that's the only way to equalize it is that like, because you saw Siris sit out. Yeah. Um, so like if she sits out again, they can't do that. So eventually you end up having to like sit out Jonathan or somebody that you really rely on. Right. Hopefully that equalizes it. But honestly, like every season, I feel like it's just the, so they're so demoralized they fall apart until it gets to the individual game. But sometimes these people end up being the winners, like from the demoral, like Sophie was on a tribe that lost everything and got down to two people last season. And she ended up being in the final three. Oh, she was. Okay. Wow. Okay. I think that it actually toughens you up and forces you, like when you come in on the bottom of whatever tribe you come in on, whatever, a lot of times there's factions of people like that's surprisingly, surprisingly turn against each other. And if you're on the bottom, you get to be the deciding vote. Do you know what I mean? So yeah, of course, yes, into an established alliance and being the one to be like, it's four against four, I, everyone wants my vote.

52:46And then you say, give me what I want, like let me trust me and never vote me out. And then you make it to the end because of that. So sometimes it's good to be, you know, the last person standing on a tribe that's doing really shitty. There's one more thing I would add to what we'd have to train for for survivor. We'd also need to train with giant puzzles because that seems to be a very big important part of the show. Exactly. And word puzzles, you know, like figuring out, and they've repeated a lot of, like I think celebration has been before, like they pick words that are like, you know, yeah. It's a, I can't spell. So I would, I've been losing all of these. Right. Celebration. What's everybody's problem? All right. Well, you've been listening to Pod Meat's twirl. No, excuse me. I know that you started with another host last week, but that does not give you the right to skip over my segment, sir, which as everybody knows is called whiz history of people. That's a vast enough in things. And it doesn't include Sophie. I'm looking at you, Sophie. So this week, we are talking about frame Selik, who is a crew, you made that up.

53:52That is not a Star Wars character. I did. Isn't that the coolest? Frames Selik. I am. I played by Tom Selik. Exactly. Of the council of, no, he's frame Selik. He's a Croatian music teacher. And he became famous for spiving and astonishing seven deadly accidents. He's included train and plane crashes, car explosions, and even being hit by a bus. Just randomly? Yes. He wasn't like ever intentionally putting himself into these, no, despite repeatedly flirting with disaster, Selik always emerged alive, earning in the nickname of the world's luckiest, unlucky man. So this is unbreakable. This is the plot of essentially unbreakable, but M. Night Shyamalan's movie, essentially, except better. This remarkable run of escapes had sparked both awe and disbelief worldwide. That is frame Selik. And I was going to do another, a different one, but it was another woman, and there's been a bunch of women. And now, so I wanted to give frame his due. Yeah, give frame his due. There you go. I like the, I like the new take on surviving too, that it's like multiple events.

54:53It's not just surviving in the dirtest one. There's some crazy ones. There is some crazy ones. I'm glad I didn't have to do the best love stories that ever happened if we did the bachelor's at. So thank God, that's not a thing. I wouldn't even know what that theme song was going to be. What would the best love stories? Oh, that's what I was going to do is like the big best love. Again, I have all the knowledge of the world in my head. So I can just filter through whatever I want. You've been listening to Padmeet's twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at tribal. This episode is brought to you by Intuit QuickBooks Bill Pay. You didn't start a business to spend your Sundays chasing invoices and manual data entry. But as you grow, accounts payables start to feel like a full-time job you never applied for. Bills pile up, approvals get lost in email, and your vendors are constantly asking, where's my check? It's distracting. And it's keeping you from the work that actually moves the needle.

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