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Hello, friends. Hello. Hello. Once again and welcome back to everything out there on the

Clyde Lewis Ground zero radio network. I'm your host Steve Stockton. Thank you for joining us

tonight. Once again, it's my pleasure to welcome back Pastor Eric and Justin from Sound

the Show for Messianic Ministries. Tonight we're going to be talking about portals. Gentlemen,

come on in here. Hello. Hello. Hey there. Good to have you guys back.

It's always a privilege and an honor to come on the show because we just we just know

that people are going to get blessed. Yeah. And the episodes that you guys are on are some of the

most listened to ones. That's what I'm been told. Well, praise the Lord. That's wonderful.

Yes, it is a blessing and an honor. And in fact, I was on Clyde's show the other night. He

had me on talking about well, Purgis night and Beltinge. And he actually commented that everything

out there is one of the most listened to shows on the ground zero radio network. So

reaching lots of people love it. Praise God. And again, what a blessing and what an honor.

Well, we and we said it time and time again, but we really appreciate you, Steve,

giving us the access to come on your show and do this because most people, well, I got to really,

you know, I don't really know what you guys do or whatever, but you know, you just prove that

you're hearts in the right place. You're doing it for the Lord. And being here to talk about

a number of times, only the Lord is the one to open the door. Boys, I thank you for being

that tool being used by God to do what you do. Yeah. Same with this show. That's one of the prayers.

I pray often is God open a door for me and I'll walk through it. And that's kind of how I got

this show. So here I am and here you guys are and got people listen to us from all over the world.

Amen.

So what are we going to talk about portals here? Now I know in the outline that Pastor Justin sent me,

there's there's different kinds of there's portals and there's wormholes and you have

scientific evidence for one or both and then the biblical side of it. I'm fascinated by stuff

like this. I'm looking forward to this. You guys always bring the fire so to speak when we have

these talks. Well, I was so interesting enough. I think what stem the conversation.

And being a missionary to a lot of military and things that we've seen, you know,

there's always certain geographical areas where there's things that are going on, things that

are taking place. And probably if you wanted to do the numerous episodes that we've done,

it's usually the same thing, but it's the same thing going on over again. But it goes to show you that

every time there is a, every time that there is a, you can just look at it as light and darkness,

right? Darkness is the absence of light. And when light is there, it exposes the darkness.

So I kind of look at it as when the light exposes the darkness. It's like cockroaches when you

put a light on, they disappear. And that's what these beings are, these manifestations and stuff.

And what's interesting about it is that every time there is a some tragic event, something that

takes place, some form of practices that God says not to do and do to run to maintain, it opens up

something that takes place that's something from the dark. But then also you have something from

the light. That's a portal that brings in these forces that are good, these forces that bring in

peace, the Lord's forces, stuff like that. So we're talking about pools. We're talking about something

where however you want to look at it, it's walking into something that goes beyond our reality,

beyond what a human being is bound by matter time, the laws of physics and stuff like that.

So that's what we're going to be kind of talking about. And we'll look at various

biblical examples. You know, I was talking to Brother Eric and he's got some great, great insight

as well to talk about. We had a conversation about this well and we'll go into various passages.

So that's kind of where I think we want, we want people to know, number one, that you're created

for a purpose like you are not bound beyond this, but you're in a spiritual battle. And if people don't

know what they're what they're going up against, they may they may put bring something in their home

without realizing that yeah, it may sound good, but in the end, at least to life and destruction.

So that's kind of where we're going with this. All right, that sounds great. Like I said,

that outlined you sent me, it was just jump in and start wherever you want to. You guys can

tag team switch off. How do you want to do it? But I'm going to make just to hear what you have to say

as always. I'd rather Justin, you want to go first? Do we want to, okay, I will, I'm going to talk

about where, as I was afraid, there were some ideas I can't I thought of. But the main thing I

want to talk about is if you had one passage I'd like to look up, that's okay with you, brother,

Steve. I'd like to refer to how this really got started. Absolutely. How are you going to do it?

Okay, so I'm going to, I'm probably going to be hanging out a little bit in the book of Genesis

and talk about various things and just how, how this really got started. So we come to,

we come to Genesis chapter two and this is where Shabbat begins, this is where the Lord

rests. And then the Lord creates mankind and he, and verse 18, it says in the Lord God

planted a garden in the Eden and the East and there he put the man whom he had formed and the

Lord God, man, made to spring up every tree that is pleasant and to be good, sight for good food,

the tree of life which is in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge we get evil.

So we have this place that God has created, garden of Eden, perfect area. We know in the book of

Revelation, but this will come, this will come back around Revelation 21. We know that we're going

to enter this place or this location that's going to be created by the Lord for those who've

trusted in him. So we know that this place is perfect. It's an area where not bound by time,

you know, it's perfect. It's like you imagine everything is perfect. Animals are there. You can,

you can go pet. There's no such thing as evil or nothing. You're not bound by time and space

here. We have this. So that's what we're going to start, but the question becomes, where did all of this,

where did all of this thing of such as curse and man begin? Well, Genesis 3, basically the story is

is that the Lord told Adam and Eve, I will give you one command that's not, not teed of the tree

good and evil. And that was the only one and the serpent comes along and the season Eve

is tricked into eating, biting the fruit, which a lot of people have been to believe a pomegranate

so does Adam and this happens. Well, it's interesting though, there's something that happens in

that verse as it says that in verse, verse 15, he says, I will put an entity between you and the

woman between your offspring and her offspring, he shall bruise your head and he shall bruise your

heel. So this is the promise of when the Messiah will become. This is what it starts, you know,

and this is a whole other discussion, but this is where a lot of people believe and this is where I

believe too, that when this starts happening, this is where the enemy is going to try to

try to begin this battle between good and evil. But what we find here is that when the Lord is

looking for Adam and Eve, they realize that they're naked. In verse 21, it says the Lord God

made for Adam, his wife, garments of skin clothed with him. And it's been to believe that

that animal was sacrificed here. So what we, what we're beginning to see is is that right after

God created this wonderful place that had no sin or no nothing, they come and disobey God,

what happens? The Seraphim come and kick him out of the guard so they can never enter back this

part of the world ever again. This place that was perfect and wonderful. They, it's like they,

they have left the presence of God. It's like, it's like they, they have now entered the world and

it's, and I kind of almost see it like it's like a portal. Like it was good and wonderful because

you contaminated this area and because of sin, God still shows you mercy and grace, but you cannot

enter it ever again. You're in the world. You have to live in this world as is. So I kind of,

that's where I was kind of going with that and I was thinking of it being that way because

how it was contaminated. But if we go on to, if we go to Genesis chapter 4 and we come in with

Canaan Abel and these are, this is this is fast forward and now after the fall stuff and Adam

and Eve continue to have more and more kids and the two brothers can't enable. Canaan is jealous

over Abel because of his sacrifice. Well, Canaan, the story goes, Canaan kills Abel and the Lord

is aware of this and the Lord says, you know, where's your Abel, your brother? He said, he said,

I don't know for I'm, for I'm, am I my brother's keeper and the Lord said, what have you done? And

this is the key part. The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground and now you

have cursed. Now you were cursed from the ground, which has opened this mouth to receive your

brother's blood from your hand. And that's where I kind of want to, I want to kind of hang out

here a little bit and say that every time, as a result of this, every time that there is blood

shed or whatever, for whatever reason the scripture says that there's life in the blood, blood and I

think I said that right. There's always this. And what's happens is every time that there's some

tragedy or something that happens, there is a portal that has opened up. There is a, there's

something that's taking place. And we see here as a result that the Lord heard Abel's cry

because innocent blood was shed. And so I'm going to kind of, I'm going to kind of taper off,

I'll get more into that. But kind of just what I thought, what are y'all thoughts on it?

Agreed disagreed. Tell me what you think or anything I want to add.

Well, I definitely, I stand in agreement with you there and I like where you're going with it

and I like the way that you, you're scripturally sound in what you're presenting here.

Because what we want to show is that these portals or these are these places are supernatural.

This is what's going on is is that the supernatural is coming in the play in this and supernatural is

anything that's, that's, that's not natural only earth. You know, it's things that are going on

here and this is supernatural that we're talking about here. And that's my brother used to point

out. He was a evangelical minister. He would say that, and I was talking to him about ghosts and

the supernatural stuff. And he said, everything that we consider the natural was spoken forth out

of the supernatural. And that's God's laws. The laws that, that man has to measure things and

to look at things, that's all well and good. But that doesn't apply to God and God's laws. God

can do anything he wants to. So the natural, what we consider our natural war was spoken out of

the supernatural. So there's going to be things that are anomalous to us as humans that we don't

understand. Yep. Well, I wanted to President Barack Obama. Virginia.

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because a lot of people confuse wormholes and portals. And now a wormhole, or also known as the

Einstein-Rosenbridge, is completely different. A wormhole is actually a shortcut through a

shortcut through a way basically between two distant points in time and space. And it's actually

a mode of light speed travel. Now, it's a theory. But what's interesting about the theory of it is

there are a couple biblical instances where it could actually be proven.

Or looked at to be proven. Now, a portal, a portal is a rip or a tear or an entry point

into our physical space and time to another dimension. Now, in the biblical case,

it only points out to other dimensions other than ours, which is heaven or L.

And again, there is a handful of scriptures to show this.

I wanted to take a look at a couple of scriptures pertaining to wormholes.

If that's okay with y'all. Now, absolutely. Feel free, Pastor.

Okay. Now, in Genesis 523, I'm going to go there real quick.

In Genesis 523, and I think I've brought this up on previous shows before.

You have an individual named Enoch.

And let's take a look at it. And Enoch walked with God after he begatma thusula 300 years and

begat sums and daughters. And all the days of Enoch were 360 and five years.

And Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him.

And that is the last you hear of the Enoch in scripture. Now,

Enoch is brought up again in the book of Jude. And actually, the book of Jude is quoting

from a book called Enoch. But if you look at the time that the book of Enoch was written,

it definitely was not written by the name that it bears. So anyways,

Enoch is alive, 365 years. And it claims he walked with God, meaning he was a faithful follower.

He was obedient to the Lord. And then God just took him.

Oh, where did he take him? And that's a good question. Where did he go?

So there's another case I want to add to this. And it's in second Kings.

In second Kings chapter two,

we have almost a similar occurrence. But if you will, the phenomenon is kind of elaborated on

as far as the disappearance goes. And let's take a look at verses 10 and 11.

And he said, thou hast asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, by the way, this little context here,

this is Elijah. And Elijah's understudy, if you will, Elijah are having a conversation. And

Elijah is asking Elijah for a double portion of his blessing. And Elijah knows that something

is about to happen to him. Let's take a look at that. And he said, thou hast asked a hard thing.

Nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee. But if not,

it shall not be so. And it came to pass as they still went on and talked, that behold,

there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire and parted them both asunder. And Elijah

went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Now there's an important biblical rule to understand here

that no man has ever ascended into heaven. No man alive has ever ascended into heaven.

So was Elijah taken into heaven? And based on that biblical rule, that theological rule,

the answer is no. But if you look at this in the Hebrew, it refers to

the heavens, in other words, up in the atmosphere or beyond that. So here's a question,

where did Elijah and where did Enoch disappear off to as this pertains to wormholes?

And now let's go ahead to the book of Revelation in chapter 11. And this is following along

the idea that the two witnesses during the tribulation time are Elijah and Enoch.

So if you don't mind, I want to go there real quick. And then I will put the rest of this together.

All right. That's the Revelation in chapter 11.

And there was given there was given me a read like unto a rod and the angel stood saying rise

and measure the temple of God and the altar and them that worship therein. But the court

which is without the temple leave out and measure it not for it is given unto the Gentiles and

the holy city shall they tread underfoot 40 and two months. Now I want to point out here,

this is a temple in the last days. And there are different

positions within the church that say this is not a temple and so forth.

And that's a whole other discussion, but there's plenty of evidence to show this is a third

temple that is built in the future. All right. In verse 3, and I will give power unto my two witnesses

and they shall prophesy 1,203 store days cloth in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees and

the two candles extending before God the God of the earth. Now this is the two witnesses

and take a look how they're clothed in sack cloth. sack cloth was worn in biblical times.

That's not a modern fashion statement. It was worn in biblical times. These are two witnesses

outside a rebuilt third temple during the tribulation period. So who are these two witnesses,

and let's not forget in Zachariah chapter 4 verse 2, the same prophecy is given.

The two witnesses by biblical process of elimination

would be Elijah and Enoch. One, Enoch, neither Enoch nor Elijah died. It simply says God took him.

The biblical rule and it is made clear in scripture is no man has ever ascended to heaven.

So Elijah didn't leave the earth and went to heaven alive. So where did they go?

If the theory of the two witnesses is in fact Elijah and Enoch that were transported to the future,

that were transported through the future and that fits the description of a wormhole.

Now what is a wormhole? A wormhole is basically you take the universe and you lay it out flat

on a piece of paper. On one side of the paper you put a dot and on another side of the paper

you put a dot and you fold the universe over. You fold that paper over and connect the two dots

between the two dots is a tunnel. So in other words instead of let's say it is Elijah and Enoch

instead of it being 5,000 plus years for one and 3,000 plus years for the other who get to the

point of time in the tribulation, the fact that they are still alive means that they only travel

a couple of minutes but they travel so many centuries into the future in just that couple of minutes

and that is in the theory of a wormhole that is what takes place. That is a case of time travel

through a wormhole. Brother did you talk about the three types of wormholes in the beginning?

The three types? No, I just bring up wormholes as a general theory in physics.

So there is a three. I think the one you refer into is a trend. So you have three. There is

transferable, non-transferable and one way transferable is the one that you are talking about.

It is from point A to point B. It is time travel. Non-transferable is the opposite. It is wormhole

that you cannot travel through. Then the last one is the one way in which wormholes

you can only travel through once and that is it. You cannot go back. I think what you are talking

about is that I am not trying to be like a Star Trek geek or anything but if you remember deep space

9, they had a transferable wormhole. They could go from DS9 and if the wormhole could take them

to the alpha quadrant, they would be there like that. That is what you are talking about is a

transferable wormhole where you are still as the age that you are but you are able to be

within a couple of seconds. You enter the wormhole and then you are just launched.

You are going so fast and then the next thing you know where you are on the other side

of that wormhole, which I think is what you are talking about.

Oh yeah. There is Star Trek deep space 9. Stargate.

Yeah. Stargate. In fact, they had a device to open it and close it up.

What was that? What was that steving the one that came out in the cities about the aliens

where the people traveled. Was it like planets of the first time?

They lived and that was, who was that? I am not talking about the one with Roddy Piper.

I am talking about the one. It was aliens.

Roddy Piper was one because they had a device basically that did the same thing.

It was the movie was close encounters of the third kind I think was the name of it.

I think close encounters was the case of UFO abductees that when returned back to Earth,

they are still at the same age as they were when they were abducted.

Okay. That is completely opposite. Okay. Sorry.

No, but actually saying the same principle.

But in any case, there is also a third case of potential wormhole and that would actually be

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In Acts chapter eight, this was the encounter of Philip with the Ethiopian unit.

And take a look at verses 37 through 40. And Philip said, if thou believe us with all thine heart,

thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And he commanded the chariot to stand still, excuse me. And they went down both into the water,

both Philip and the unit. And he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water,

the spirit of the Lord caught away Philip that the unit saw him no more. And he went on his way

rejoicing. But Philip was found at azotus and passing through, he preached in all the cities

till he came to cesarea. Now they were in Gaza. And azotus, I think is 40, 40 plus miles away.

And we're talking in a matter of seconds. He's 40 plus miles away in another town in Israel.

How did he get there that fast? So again, I think you have, I think it's interesting that

that theoretical physics holds wormholes to a theory still. But

Genesis five, second kings, and then Acts chapter eight, it would kind of seem

that God created them and used them in three different circumstances, if that makes any sense.

Because again, they didn't just disappear. And that's it. There were

in it. With Enoch and Elijah, it's a matter of time before they are seen again. But with Philip,

he is seen again. And he's seen again literally second slater

in another location, 40 miles from where he was. So I find that interesting. But there is,

there is a difference between wormholes and portals. Again, wormhole is a,

is a method of travel from one far distance to another in a matter of seconds.

And a portal is, is a rip or a tear in space time where another dimension intrudes in or opens

into another dimension. Oh, and real quick, as I pointed out before, the, the word of God does

elaborate that it is two other dimensions, heaven and hell, as far as the dimensions that exist.

So now, are you saying that there's, there's more than those two dimensions that, that's being

spoken about here, just heaven and hell, or are there other places, other dimensions that, that a wormhole

could theoretically take you to. I, as far as, as far as other, other dimensions go, I mean, I,

I don't have an answer for that. Going by, going by scripture, scripture points out two other

clear dimensions. Could there be other dimensions? Again, again, I, I could only say I don't know,

I could, you know, I could only speak of the ones that I see, that I see in scripture.

There's a link I put in the private chat if you want to take a look at it sometime, brother Steve.

But there was a video that brother Eric sent me, and it's this group, they're from England,

and this guy has had multiple, multiple videos of paranormal has been on various, his videos have

been on like various shows and stuff on YouTube. And the problem with it is, is when you start

entertaining the pair normal, that kind of gives them the open door to come in and start doing

whatever they wanted to. It's kind of like the vampire you bought them in. So what happened

wasn't the video, is that they're sitting up there in the house, and all of a sudden the camera

that they have literally, goes through the wood, like it literally goes into another, probably a

wormhole or something. And, and then all of a sudden, fast four, four, five minutes later,

they go into the bedroom and the camera really falls out of the ceiling, like something opens

up and it falls down. When you watch the video, you literally see the camera go, and you hear

these like, I think demonic voices, I think there was these creatures or whatever was there,

that all of a sudden it comes out through the, through the bedroom and it just hits. And I think

that may be an example of what we're talking about here, but I forward you the video on the private

chat, it's on Facebook, you want to take a look at it, feel free. So, all right, yeah, I'll take a

look at that. And I was just thinking how this could play out in regards to the cases that I

cover, like on missing persons and mysteries, how people just are there one second and gone the next.

It's fascinating, and it boggles the mind to think that, and then there's been stories of people

that were lost and found themselves somewhere else that look different. They time and things

like that were distorted. There are cases where a person might have been missing for days,

yet when they found them, they thought it only a couple of hours had passed. And then the other

side of that, there are people that have been missing for just a short time, maybe even a few minutes.

But when they were found, they said, no, that's impossible because I watched the sun rise and

set two or three times. So, whatever it is that's out there that people stumble into,

it's different. I don't know if it's an alternate dimension or if

where these portals are taking people, if it's a predesignated place, like it's some kind of

machinery or something that sets these up, you don't like the transporter on Star Trek.

Well, you walk through and you don't know where you'll end up.

Well, I think, you know, the best example you can think of doing this, I think of the case of the

guy that was up in Upper State, New York, and ends up in Washington, California, skiing,

and then pops up in California. Yeah, and I covered that case. And enough time hadn't passed

for him to even fly there. Yeah, yeah, and it happens all the time. When we're talking about,

we're talking about the two alternate realities of heaven or hell. And I think maybe brother,

this may be a segment in which we want to go into talking about Lazarus and that story,

if you want to. But the biggest thing is, is when these guys go to those places, if they have

not accepted Yeshua or Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, there's no coming back, that's it.

With these, these are people that are coming in from point A to point B and popping up,

and that's where they are. But when you, when you enter those two places, either in

Gihanna, hell, or paradise where the Lord is, that's it. There's no coming back. You're there.

You don't, you don't ever return, which negates the concept of ghosts and stuff as well.

Fascinating. Brother, I could you got anything you'd like to add to that?

Well, we could let, we could take a look at a couple examples of now portals in scripture.

Yes, feel free. Let's take a look at Genesis 28 real quick.

In Genesis chapter 28, oh, yeah, sorry.

Genesis 28 and take a look, real quick, verses 10 through 13. And Jacob went out from

Bershiba and went forward and I'm sorry, and went toward Haron. And he lighted upon a certain place

and carried there all night because the sun was set. And he took of the stones of that place

and put them for his pillows and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed and behold

a ladder set up on the earth. And the top of it and in the top of it reached heaven and behold

the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And behold, the Lord stood above it and said,

I am the Lord God of Abraham by Father and the God of Isaac, the land wherein thou,

wherein thou liest to thee will I give it and to thy seed. All right. So Jacob,

Jacob sees what appears or what he describes as a ladder into the realm of heaven and with

angelic beings ascending and descending to it. Another example we have is Isaiah chapter 6 and

verses 1 through 4. The prophet, there's shown the throne room in heaven.

And then of course, that same vision is shown again to John in Revelation chapter 16.

So these would be considered portals into that dimension. Now in Revelation chapter 9,

verses 1 through 3 is a portal that is clearly opened. But this is not the realm of heaven because

Revelation chapter 9, verses 1 through 3, describes it as the portal of the abyss. The portal of the

abyss, which is hell, is opened on earth. And of course, that is described to happen during the

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And that's where in my book that I wrote with a friend of mine,

we talk about CERN. Now what's interesting is with CERN,

there have been top scientists that even acknowledge that the LHC in fact opens portals.

And not only that can even cause black holes. And I find that interesting because

you're talking about Stephen Hawking here. Who said the very same thing?

And Neil and Neil deGrasse Tyson, who also basically described the same thing as Stephen Hawking did.

And these are two atheists as far as I know while Stephen Hawking has passed. So it was atheists.

But didn't he actually Hawking? Didn't he warn them against what they were doing there?

And caution them against what they're whatever they're up to?

Yeah, I think he did that. I think he did that in 2008 before they actually fired up

the LHC for the first time, the Large Hadron Collider.

But I find it interesting that they're describing that it can open up a portal.

A portal and it could open up a portal into another dimension.

And then you re-revelation nine. And again, if Sirn fits that prophetic picture,

which I believe it does. I believe it does. And as a matter of fact, I will tell you why.

Give me one second here. And let's go to Revelation chapter 9.

Okay. That's a fascinating stuff.

Revelation chapter 9. Now it talks about the shaft of the abyss,

the portal to hell being opened, and then these locust type creatures come out and they plague

the earth. Now if you go down into verse 11, and it's referring to these locust type creatures,

which are actually demonic spirits, it says they have a ruler over them.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit whose name in the Hebrew

tongue is Avadon, but in the Greek tongue, hath his name Apolga. Now here's why I believe

Sirn fits this prophetic picture. The location of Sirn is on the François border.

And the LHC actually, it's a 17-mile circle underground, but it runs across both borders.

The place where that facility sits is the actual location of the Greek temple of the Greek temple

Apollion, a temple that was dedicated to Apollion. As verse 11 says, Apollion the destroyer.

Now what's interesting is, at the entrance of the facility, is a statue of the Hindu goddess Shiva.

Guess what Shiva is the goddess of?

I believe she's the goddess of destruction, Shiva the destroyer.

Shiva the destroyer. Shiva is the Hindu version of the Greek version Apollion of the Hebrew version

Avadon. So clearly, it looks like the statue was chosen to prick that. That was not just coincidence.

That was intentional. That was by design where that was chosen to be placed and to be built.

I believe that 100%. And I mean, that's one of more than a couple of reasons why I believe

that CERN does fit the prophetic picture of Revelation 9. A couple more than a couple of reasons

actually to add to that. Now, here's another interesting thing too.

Oh, go ahead.

No, also, it doesn't Revelation 2, 12, talk about this podium in that location.

Wasn't that considered to be the home, the CERN area, and that considered to be the home of,

for the throne of Satan too as well?

Revelation chapter two, are you referring to the Church of Pergamus?

Yeah.

I haven't looked into it, but you may, you may very well be right. That may, that may be the area.

That's where that's a theory. I've heard the Revelation 2, 12,

of like that, the Geneva, that location. It could be the location of the Satan's throne as well

of that portal. I mean, if Revelation 9 is accurate, which it is, that wouldn't make sense,

because if that's the key to the bottomless pit, and on top of that, there was that once again,

we go back to this Talmud, this portal thing again, can't emphasize enough. They did a so-called

human sacrifice there, and I don't believe it may have been real, but it was the concept of

that ritual and the shedding of blood that opened up that portal like a brother Eric was talking about.

Well, here's another interesting thing, and I find, I can't, I have to find this more than

coincidental. There was a cult of Apollion back in the 8th century, and the symbol that they used,

that the cult used was locusts.

So I, again, and brother Justin just made a point of this, the pieces seem to fit.

The pieces seem to fit that Cern is very much

very probable, the prophetic fulfillment of Revelation 9.

Justin brought this up a second ago. Now, it was claimed, because all the people that were

wearing these cloaks that did this sacrifice say, claimed it was a mock sacrifice. What's

interesting is, all the people that participated all had door passes that were hanging off their

off the cloaks that were wearing. So there were actually employees there. However,

there were many, many sacrifices that were done in the actual temple of Apollion that did sit there

back during the 1st century and a few centuries after that.

So again, and brother Stavie, you pointed this out. I don't think it's coincidence. I think it's

is completely intentional that Cern has the technology that they have, that it was purposely built

where it was built, the location it was built in, and that they purposely put a statue of the

Hindu goddess Shiva, the destroyer, at the entrance. Well, and also you think about this too, and I'm

not trying to beer off the subject. I want to continue talking about Cern, but what's popping

my head is, you remember the mock sacrifice that was done at the Bohemian Roath to Molec.

And then that in itself, but what happens every time they do this, people will report

strange activity that goes on with the stuff happening. And if we know, if we understand about

Molec, you know, I think it's in Leviticus, Leviticus 18 or 19, it goes over the,

goes over sexual morality. I think it may have been 19 or 20, where it says, you will not sacrifice

your child to Molec, the out God. And in the burning fire, once again, what happens when you're

sacrificing a child, you're sacrificing a human being that's flesh and blood, and you're opening up

that portal to where these things, I mean, you might as well call it a miniature portal from the

abyss coming in, and these things are taking over and setting a resonance. You know, I think about

also too, we talked about Stubra there, you know, Yeshua was referred as BL's above the demon,

right? Well, the concept of BL's above goes all the way back to the location. Let me see if I can

look that up. BL's above, let's see, it was Bale, which was an Echron. Now, BL's above what the

culture had or envisioned as this being that their worship was considered the Lord of the flies or

flies, every time these things manifest and they take place, they always form the image that the

people will refer to. If it's the dog man, the worship, if it's whatever it may be, but there's

always some form of blood sacrificing, the blood sacrifice is done or some ritual is done. That's

how these things take over. So it kind of coincides with with Surn, but there's always some form of

sacrifice for religious or ritualistic practice that goes on with the shedding of blood.

And to go back to what you said a second ago, the location of Pergamus, that would make perfect,

that would fit. That would fit it. It would make sense.

Well, you know, and that's the thing is, you know, what did Yeshua,

when He's getting ready to cast out the demons that were in the Domaniac, put some in the pig,

what did they say? Please don't send this to that place where they know if they go there,

that's a place of torture. I guess believing, because they didn't want to go there. They're saying,

please don't send us there. I send us anywhere but don't send us there because, and I guess they

they hate me in there. Yeah, that wouldn't mean that makes sense. And I recently released a video

on missing persons and mysteries about what goes on in Bohemian Grove. There's a lot of strange

stuff there. Again, the owl, the giant owl, the cremation of care is the ceremony there where they

burn the mock, the effigy of a human. It's very strange. Now they try to play it off as it's

just, you know, having fun or just, but I don't know. I think there's a sinister element there.

There's something not right about all that. Well, what's interesting about the entire thing,

and here we go again, I'm not trying to be off into a rabbit's row, but it goes to show you that

historically, the decisions have been made there. Presidents, famous people, water world events.

Once again, when you are contributing a blood sacrifice, or when you are doing, and you open up

the portals for these things to enter, that's where they're gaining their knowledge. I mean, you could

say, you know, you could say that with, with Alistair Crowley, you know, and the things that he

summoned in his, and he got the knowledge, he wrote his various books, he wrote the concept of

rock and roll, do what I will, is the heart, and that's the law that he has, and everyone in

music knows that. So there's always something to be gained when these things are summoned. They

always give this so-called wisdom or whatever they want to do to infiltrate man, and it goes,

and it influences people it does as a result of. So, considering either one, either portals

or wormholes, is this something that people with something with evil in mind that they can

manipulate, and they control these, do they have a way other than certain, which we've already

talked about, is there otherwise that they can conjure or open these portals through

ritual activity, do you think? I think, uh...

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loads.com slash shipping terms subject to change. I think, I think rituals for the purpose of

conjuring entities. Sure, I mean, as Justin just pointed out a second ago,

Alistair Crowley, when he was that house in Loch Ness, he began a ritual

to bring something out, to bring a demonic spirit out, but then he left there and never finished

and never finished the ritual, and supposedly that thing has been roaming. That thing has been

roaming and haunting. I think several ancient pagan practices and practices of

witchcraft and stuff, cause and opening to a portal that allows a demonic entity to come in

and take up residence. Yeah, so apparently when they cast their circle or whatever it is,

they do that's the thing that they do. They have to stay within that and invite whatever it is in,

but then they have to close that back. They have to banish it back to wherever it came from,

and then close that circle. Apparently, that's what Crowley didn't do. He did the ritual

brought it forth, but then never banished it back or closed that out. So I know I would think,

now this is just my opinion, but if you've opened something like that and you're inviting

something demonic through, what's the saying that other things aren't going to come through?

When you open that portal up, anything could be like opening your back door. Yeah, you might

get a scroll come in, but you could have a coyote or a raccoon or anything. If they see it open

door, they're going to go through it. I think these demonic entities could operate the same way.

Do you have my right direction with that? The Lord said in Matthew, I think it's Matthew 12,

and he, I think it was Matthew 12, he talked about

how he referred to how demonic spirits work, and basically the idea was he says that a man has a house,

and one demon leaves the house as an order and cleaning all of a sudden,

seven may come back more, and it's worse off than what it was. So it's kind of like once again,

we've talked about this before. You get rid of one squatter, they're gone, but then you get

70 more that come in and take over, and the state is worse than it was. So when you, for example,

think about people messing with debit boxes,

uh, conjuring boards, Ouija boards, Charlie Charlie, whatever games you can think of that people

try to mess with, even random not to go, right? They open up something, and when it opens up,

it's not going to leave, and you watch the videos, the guy on mine, CTV's a prime example,

he ordered a debit box, he goes in there, and he takes his K2 meter, and the thing goes off the wall,

goes crazy, opens it up, and when he does his YouTube gold thing where he had so many subscribers,

flies off the wall, life starts flickering, he has to leave. A few days later, you begin to watch it,

there's shadow figures running all over the place, and eventually the thing got so violent that

it attacked his dog, his dog's eye was blind, the dog couldn't see, he had to leave. So when you,

when you conjure these things up, when you mess with it, they're going to stay there,

and every time people try to do these explorations to various places,

they're not going to move, they're going to stay there, because like Jesus said,

they stay there, they come on a home, and they're going to reside there, because to them,

they think they have the right place, until the believer who's filled with the Holy Spirit

comes in there and begins to relay scripture to them, and focus and relays on the promises,

and casts them out in the name of the Lord, because it's through the Lord's power that these

things must go away, because they cannot stand against the Word of God, or against Him,

if they're filled with the Holy Spirit, so that you open up a lot of stuff when you start messing

up some of this stuff, and you may open more, more more pearls, who knows what's going on with that?

That's a frightening prospect and something to think about, because I've covered cases of that,

and some of my paranormal research, where somebody was messing with the Ouija board,

and then invited something through, and not just that came through, maybe 13 things came through,

and in fact, to everybody that was present, as they were participating or not.

Do you remember about 10 months ago, there's an update on this. You guys remember that,

that not one call that happened in Las Vegas, where that boy claimed that they saw

a UFO crash, and they saw all these 10-foot beings?

Oh yeah.

So there's a video that came out, and I would encourage anybody to please listen and subscribe to

slinging stone on YouTube. Another biblical guy, a guy that does great work-out conversations with him,

but he did an update a few days ago about it. They show in the video, literally after it happened,

they show in the video, and they blow it up, as they're going out looking for this thing,

you really can see a 10-foot shadow figure walking around behind them. And what's interesting about

it is the only one that has spoken has been the Sun, and he says after these things have landed,

their home has had paranormal activity, and there's just this immense fear that's taking over as

this thing landed on their yard, and now it's resided there and taking over.

So basically, when they, you know, just as brother or great about Jacob's ladder,

with the issue of being the ultimate gateway, as he refers to in the New Testament,

when these things land and take over, there's this immense fear that people have,

and it's a fear that will cause people to go mentally insane. When they take over,

they destroy homes, they create chaos, they cause merges to dissolve, they cause children,

and sometimes it sometimes things can lead people to suicide, because their goal is to destroy

them, to destroy humanity because God loves humanity, and that's how the enemy tries to pull people

down. So now getting back to the portals here, so it's possible then that you could stumble across

one of these that somebody had opened for whatever means, or it's just there, and then there'd be no

knowledge of it. I mean, you make sure to wonder about these places that have a lot of activity.

I mean, like you can build a new home that suddenly has public eyes, a paranormal activity or things,

is one of some like Stephen King would write to the ground is sound. There's something there,

something that's happened, maybe centuries before, that's caused this, whatever it is,

and it stays in that area or seems to, and then you build a house there, you build it over whatever

this was, and then there you go, things in your own, things happening. Does that have any

credence or credibility, do you think? There is, there's a story out in Texas,

out near Houston, and I think it's, I don't just call the hollow story or whatever,

but it was on unsolved mysteries. I think the name of it is,

it was, it was called, I forgot the name of it, it started with an age,

this call like the hollow haunting or something, what happened was, people in the subdivision had

built homes over these ancient African-American graves that were back in the late 19th,

early 20th century, and there's a couple of stories where these people had built a home,

there didn't know anything about it, and what it happened was, when they were getting

ready to dig a pool, all of a sudden, these two graves popped up, and a guy warned us that you,

what you're about to, you're about to open up death in your home. Well eventually what happened was,

they, they started having voices, they started, things started disappearing, things started manifesting,

and eventually it caused the family to get a bankrupt and they had to leave, and another story was,

a lady was out there building her flower, and every time she would plant something,

something would die, would come to find out, it was another grave as well, I think it was maybe

a walk down. Eventually what happened was, it got so bad that the lady got mad, her and her husband

did, and they started having, the thing started, they started hearing these footsteps in their home,

voices, all sorts of stuff, eventually, the lady got so mad and just started digging up the grave,

and she's like, I'll bury you and move it, and once she did, her daughter ended up

gotten a mysterious illness and died, and basically two, three of the people ended up getting

cancer and died, so it opened up a curse and a plague, you know, killed in the family.

And there's multiple stories about this where people didn't know there was a lady in Alaska,

in the last entrangle stories where she had a home.

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And come to find out a guy that ended up murdering his girlfriend there,

and various objects of the murdering equipment was there, and it got so bad that

the people that were coming in to do the investigation, the poltergeist was very hostile,

it ended up causing the home, the home exploded, and basically ran the family off.

So yeah, this happens all the time where people may walk into a home, and you don't know what's

in that home, you don't know what's attached to that location. Just like a motel room,

you don't know what's taking place, you don't know if there was a murder there,

you don't know what bloodshed there is, if there's suicide, whatever may have happened,

you don't know what's there. And that's kind of answering your question, bro Steve.

Yeah, and I can't remember the name of that neighborhood. Now, I do a show with Cisco Murdoch

over on Journey to the Gate Paranormal Portal podcast, and we covered that one Monday night,

where the whole neighborhood was like that, and it sounds like the movie Poltergeist,

that was kind of where they borrowed some of the ideas from that, if you remember the scene or

all this, literally all hell is breaking loose, Joe Beth Williams characters in the swimming pool,

and these corpses start popping up because they had built over this burial ground. So

well, what was interesting was I think, didn't she, wasn't she, didn't she die or wasn't she

murdered or something later? Well, I don't think she was, but there was a lot, there's like a,

that's one of those cursed films. The little girl. Yeah, I can't remember the name.

Let's say, four cast members died during and soon after the filming of, now that may be

rumor, curse attached to the Poltergeist trilogy, and it's crew derived from the death of two young

cast members, excuse me, in the six years between the releases of the first and third films.

And let's see if I can remember which ones it was. Let me take a look here. Heather O'Rourke

was the little girl, Carol Ann. She died of some, think of like a stomach infection or something

like that, I believe, and then Dominic Dunn was the one that was the older sister in the film,

and she was murdered by her boyfriend, I believe.

You know, I just thought of something else when you brought up the movie, Poltergeist.

Do you remember when the, the paranormal investigators first came into the house and the first

experiment they did was they threw tennis balls into the closet. The little girl's closet.

And then the balls came out in the kitchen. Yep. Well, I just got to thinking about that video with

the camera that disappeared. And for about two, three minutes was in that dark realm and then

all of a sudden it fell out of the ceiling in the other room. That just came to mind.

Well, that gives you pause for thought.

Yeah, and another thing that, and that scene I was talking about with Joe Beth Williams,

where the corpses are popping up out of the swimming pool while she's in the water.

And she didn't know it at the time that they were filming it, but those were actual human

cadavers that I think they came from India or somewhere. And she didn't know it till after it was

over with, but the skeletons that she was in there with were real. Oh my gosh, that, now that,

that opened up movie several times when I was a kid. That scene still haunted me for a while.

And then to imagine that that's real human skeletons in there, whether they, and she wasn't

aware of it until after she'd filmed it. That's, that's frightening. I'm not surprised.

If you remember in part one or part two where the grandmother dies, I think it's part one,

and they literally go into a dimension. Like literally, I think the, the Native American guy does

the spiritualism. And because she's kidding. Yeah. Yeah, kidnaps. And they really go into a dimension

where this battle is going on and taking place. And I would probably, that could be an example

of a possible portal as well. Yeah, that was, uh, yeah, that was part, that was part two. The,

the preacher from the Old West that led that group of people into that cave and sealed them in.

Mm-hmm. And the Indian shaman. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I'm the guy that played the,

the pastor. He passed away not too long after the film that Julian Beck was the actor's name.

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And I think he passed away. It's just a few months after the sequel wrapped filming in 1985.

Well, an interesting, an interesting thing as far as like a curse goes with a movie,

you just pointed out that they used actual human cadavers in the, in the pool scene.

Mm-hmm. And then of course you go back, you go back to the Torah book of Leviticus

where it talks about don't have contact with dead bodies and doing rituals and stuff like that with them.

Oh, that, yeah. I'm not saying that's what is, but that, that's, that's interesting.

Yeah, interesting point to ponder there. That it is, that it is.

Well, yeah, I remember all those poltergeist movies are just being very ominous and mysterious.

And there's a lot of other curse films like that. And they all have that

occult or satanic element in them. The omen is another one that's supposedly cursed.

The exorcist, there's a curse supposedly that follows that one along.

So I think, you know, maybe even inadvertently, they were treading into territory

where they didn't really know what they were doing or didn't care maybe to get these films made.

And there was things that happened in an occult nature as a result of that.

Well, again, occultic, occultic practices were forbidden.

Yep. Throughout throughout the Torah. And there's a very good reason why, because

they can cause, they bring about, they bring about demons and demons wreak havoc in our realm.

And especially when they attach themselves to individuals and or

possess individuals.

And you know, and you know what's interesting about it is, is that

and I think this is what, this is what really I was talking to a pastor for

in my industry about this. And we were, my wife and I, we've been looking at houses and

we're wanting to get another house. And interesting enough, there are, we went to this place

and in this house. And going outside, went inside and I had a, heard a, heard this voice that said,

hey, and I was like, what the heck? And there was no one behind me. There was no one there,

no kid or nothing. Going inside the house, come to find out there was various occultic objects

there in the home. And you could feel a heaviness and a presence there that your spirit is like

something there's something not right here and there's something no good. And that's the

thing is, that's what we're talking about is, is when you read Deuteronomy 18 in that Torah

portion, the Lord, and I'll, I'll just pull it up. I just, I want to look, I want to read Deuteronomy

18, if y'all are okay with that. Yeah. Because I think it's just good to go to, go to scripture and

and hear what the Lord says because I don't need to add mile two cents on it. So, yeah.

Well, Deuteronomy 189, the Lord says, when you come into the land that the Lord God is giving you,

you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall be not

found among you anyone who burns a son or daughter or offering or anyone who practices divination

or tells fortunes or interprets omens or a sorcerer or a charmant or a medium or necromancer

or one who inquires of the day for whoever does these is does abomination to the Lord. And because

of these abominations, the Lord your God is driving you out before you. And he says, you shall be

blinded for the Lord for those these nations which you're about to dis this possess listen

to fortune tellers and to divinners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do

this. Now, the key word I want to focus on in the Hebrew is is the word abominable. And this word

is tabiah, tabiahs. And in this, it means abomination or bombable ritual sense,

unclean or whatever. But it's very, very strong. It not only is it unclean, but it gives it

emphasis of a wickedness or something that literally God, it makes God vomit. And this is very,

this word is also used in sexual practices too, found in Leviticus 18. So there's a

reason why God is putting extra emphasis and strength behind saying not to do these things

because they go against the very thing that he says not to do. And it's a very basically saying

that when you do this, that you're you are you are creating a grave, grave danger in your own life

when you're opening yourselves up to the stuff when you fall into it.

Yeah, the rules are clearly laid out there and it says not to do it. I mean, it's very very clear

about that. Well, I'm sorry to go over there. I mean, I mean, God, God has a reason for every single

little detail to huge detail. And, you know, especially when you're dealing with the occult,

there's an entire underworld, spirit underworld that is waiting to get in here and wreak havoc

and bring down and tear down God's creation. I mean, that's that Satan's end gain. Satan knows

he can't defeat God. He learned that. He learned that lesson the hard way in the war and heaven.

So his end game isn't to try to beat God. He knows he can't do that. It can't happen.

So what he does his best in doing is bringing down and tearing down God's beloved creation.

And one of the ways he does that is through the practices that that that that the Lord has commanded

against not doing. Don't do them. I mean, that's I think it's very clear in scripture.

Well, and the sad part is as we go, we go to the church and the church is supposed to be

God's, God's people that he has redeemed to teach the Torah and also to relay the message of

his gospel and his and what he how much he loves humanity. But the problem that is is that the

church has mixed these practices in today. You have Christian wikas. You have so-called Christian

whatever you want to call there. There was a church out in, and I'm not going to mention,

but an organization that it was called soaking in the noiting of the spirit. And basically,

what they did was they were going to people's graves of famous people like John. Yeah,

going over late on the grass and soaking in the soaking in the noiting. Well, that's going against

Deuteronomy 18. And that is that is straight out of the occult playbook too. Yeah, it is. And

and what you're doing is as you're like, how how can an unbelieving world people that are doing

this stuff, the paranormal stuff, how how can they not take you seriously when so-called God's

people are not taking seriously what's there's not to do? They're doing stuff like this. So

there's a reason why that tivaya bombardable is strong. And he's making it clear, do not do this.

Just let it be. Don't mess with this stuff. And we see it with the sons of skewer.

I think it's in the, I think it's in Acts 18. And if you don't mind, I'd like to read that.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, please do. Let me find it. Let's see. So that is, yeah, this is this is a warning

about messing with this stuff. Um, so basically background is, is that God was doing

extorted miracles by the hands of Paul. I'll just read it. And God was doing extraordinary

miracles by the hands of Paul so that even handkerchiefs, aprons that had touched the skin

were carried away the sick and their diseases left them. And evil spirits came out of them.

Then a Jewish inner it's extraceous undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over

those who had evil spirits saying, I did, I did your you by the Jesus whom Paul perclaims.

And the seven sons of the Jewish high priest named skevo were doing this. But the evil spirit

answered them. Jesus, I know Paul recognized, but who were you and the man in whom was the evil spirit

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And master all of them overpowered them so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded.

And this became known to all the residents of this, both Jews and Greeks. And the fear fell upon

them. And the name of the Lord Jesus was installed. And also many of them were now believing,

confessing devotion to practices. And a number of them had practiced magic art books,

arts, brought their books together and burned them in the side of all. And they counted the value

and found it can to be 50,000 pieces of silver. So the Word of the Lord continue to increase and

prevail, Maul Mighty. So basically, they were trying to these sons of Skiva were trying to master

what Paul was doing. But what made Paul do what he's doing? He had he had the Holy Spirit living

within him. God was the one working through him to do these miracles and cast out demons. So people

will come to know the Lord, Yeshua's Lord and Savior. When people try to take these things on

apart from God, this is the various thing. But it goes to show you that the spirit calls physical

harm to these to the sons of Skiva. And that's something very very interesting is that when these

things take over, they will not only cause you mental harm, but they can also cause you physical

harm where people have recorded having scratches on their back, being clawed or whatever.

And with this, what you find interesting is is that when as a result of this, when the people

came and met the Lord, they walked away from the practices that they were doing. They burnt their

books. They ran away from it because the Lord, whatever was in them, had left and the Lord was

present in them. So they stayed away from the stuff realizing that it was no good. And that's

the danger when you try to take this stuff on or whatever. Even for believers, I think L.A.

Mars, Ili talked about the story where there was a man who got so bold to go up to a one of the

mounds. And I think it may have been the dragon mound up in Ohio, whatever. He went up there and

he's like, I'm going to go up there and I'm going to pray over this to cast this thing out,

name of the Lord. Well, when he went up there, he got close to the top of the mountain,

this pastor did. And all of a sudden, he got struck down. And he was paralyzed and he couldn't

move. And it started to snow. And he cried out to the Lord. He said, Lord, please let me go.

And the Lord told him, I did not tell you to come up here. And you don't need to do anything.

I tell you not to do. And so he was set free, but there was a very powerful spirit that he was

trying to take over and it's a duty. So that's the danger when you start messing with this stuff.

Yeah, there would be a kin to trying to put the genie back in the model or the toothpaste back in

the tube. I think it's easier to get it to come out than it is to put it back.

I would agree.

Go ahead, I'm sorry. You have an account. You have an account in Mark's Gospel.

And the Lord, the Lord talked about when these things exit, when they're cast out, some of these

entities, it tore the person. It caused physical harm. And that goes back to what we're talking

about before. You're not only risk everything around you going into chaos, but you risk physical

harm. These entities, these demonic spirits, when when invoked, can cause physical harm, especially

when they possess. And I believe they cause physical harm because when once they possess a person,

they don't want to let that, they don't want to let that individual go.

They take up residence there. They don't want to let the individual go. And when they're cast

out, it's like how much damage can it do before it finally leaves and it's gone.

I've seen videos of people, those ridiculous challenge videos that you see on internet.

I've seen ones where they're, okay, the new challenge videos, summon a demon. How many demons can

you summon? You couldn't stack enough money in this house to get me to try something like that.

Oh no. Oh no. But people have a fascination with these things. They have a fascination with

them. They do these little foolish games like yelling a name in the mirror in the dark so many

times to see if a thing will show up because they're fascinated by it. But they don't understand

if it happens, it's not going to be fascinating anymore. It's going to be a horror and a horror

that they're going to have to live with. And again, that is why God is so strict in His Torah about

having nothing to do with those practices, with the practices of the occult, because what the

end result is, and the end result is always, always bad. There's nothing good that comes out of it.

Again, as brother Justin pointed out, it ruined lives.

And now I think it's that fascination. It draws you in and then you get deeper and deeper

and deeper instead of you controlling whatever it is. It ends up controlling you.

Exactly. Exactly. And that's what its goal is.

Yeah, and the thing about it is, is that you hear, you see this stuff going on the day, you see

all the activity stuff, but I think the big thing that you have to understand is if you are

a follower of Yeshua, the Master of the Lord Jesus Christ, you got nothing to fear.

You know, we're called to put on the full armor of God. We're called to understand that we do not

wrestle with flesh and principality. We don't wrestle flesh and blood, but we wrestle with

principalities. There's a whole list of those that go down in the Greek and I'd like to read that

if that's okay. Yeah. Kind of breaks it down. And Ephesians chapter 6 verse 12.

So it says, well, we did not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, authorities,

cosmic powers, present, darkness, spiritual forces, and heavenly places.

So the key here is, is that the enemy is not the human being, but it's the higher rulers,

the authorities, these cosmic powers. Basically, everywhere you look, you have some that are

manifesting in the physical, you have some that are manifesting in politics,

and you have some that are manifesting in Hollywood and stuff like that. And that's what we're

on, we're daily battling these things. But unfortunately, when I think the most toughest one

that people face is when the physical, when the spiritual manifest into the physical,

and you're walking outside and you catch on camera, this 12 foot hairy looking thing that can move

beyond the speed of light and it's coming at you and torturing you. And you don't know what this is.

And it creates this trauma. How do you explain that you can't? How did that thing travel from

a portal? You know, I think Brother Steve talked about, there's a guy named Scott Carpentry recently

died. He's from Tennessee. He had the big, the big foot project. Do you, did you ever know him?

I didn't know him personally, but I know of him and I know of his investigation.

Okay. Yeah, you remember Brother Eric, I think I sent you a video that he had

up in the smoky's, he was walking and you looked in the back of the picture. You literally could

see a portal. It could have been a portal or whatever, but you saw this massive looking,

cryptid-looking thing coming out and staring right at him. I mean, it was a perfect image or whatever.

And he talked about that. But these people are walking through and they encounter something

and they don't know what it is. LA Mars-Eli was at his conference. He talked about, he knew,

he got a story and said that there was a person who was, they're riding along and they see a

cow of utilization going on and they look over and see a ranger looking, like a park ranger guy

looking right at them. There's a cattle mutilation. This guy looks like a seven or eight feet tall,

looks right at him, has glasses, no blood or nothing, wants him to stop. And they took off. That was

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So they're excited when I didn't know. They find them usually with surgical type cuts on them.

And yeah, they will be completely drained of blood. What's your take on that brother?

Oh, I know. I know in several, several UFO reports, that's how they found the animals,

not just cows. I mean, there are other animals as well, surgical precision, precision cutting,

and completely, completely drained of blood, not a drop in them.

Again, again, I would say, I would say, demonic entity.

Yeah, and I think the first modern era, anyway, animal that I heard about that,

wasn't a cow, but a horse named Leap Skippy was his name that was found like that.

I remember a story like that. That's in the modern. Yeah, I do remember a story like that, though.

So, going back to what I was, what I talked about before, in Mark chapter one.

Yeah, here starting in verse 21, and they went into Capernaum and straightway on the Sabbath day,

he entered into the synagogue and taught. And they were astonished at his doctrine for he taught

them as one that had authority and not as the scribes, referring to Yeshua. And there was,

in their synagogue, a man with an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, let us alone,

what have we to do with the, now, Jesus of Nazareth, art thou come to destroy us? I know the,

who thou art, the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, hold thy peace and come out of

them. Now in verse 26, and when the unclean spirit had torn him and cried with loud voice,

he came out of them, that thing didn't leave him without physically damaging him.

So again, they not only cause emotional damage, spiritual damage,

and destroy lives around them, but they physically cause damage. They physically can harm a person.

And again, one of many reasons, one of many reasons why God forbid, for bids such practices,

because, because the Lord knows, the Lord knows what these things are capable of.

You know, you talk about that, and that's the thing is, is that

people describe when you, when you get averaged Joe, minding their own business, and they're not

searching for this stuff or anything, and they walk into a location they should not go into,

they step into a home that they didn't realize had these activities. There's always this

paralyzing fear. There's this fear that really, it paralyzes them. And you know, and Peter talked about

that Satan is a roaring line. And what does a line do? It paralyzes people with fear. And when,

when people are paralyzed, they, they don't know what to do. And that's, that's how you know it's,

it's of the enemy. And that's how people can know that this is not of God, because God,

when an angel would appear, peace be with you or stand up and do not worship me, even though

that they fell apart. And so that, that's how you can differentiate the two with, with, with that,

and what they call it. So in other words, don't mess with anything that you don't understand,

and certainly something that, that you've already been forbidden by God himself, not to, to miss with.

Absolutely. You know, I, I, I knew people in my past years ago that were, that were heavy into

the occult. And I, I, I remember, I remember just, uh,

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did and the places they would go, you know, they're, it's like Justin described, there is,

there is a darkness to it and a darkness you, you can physically feel. It is a, it's a fear,

not just emotionally, you could feel, but you can physically feel, I, you know, as a, as a,

a youngster. And when I say a youngster, I mean, anything under 20. I remember, I,

remember going with a group of friends, uh, one time, uh, to a cemetery. And they were, they,

they were into some, they were into some hokey stuff. Um, and I just, I did, I didn't participate,

but I was watching and I just remember this absolute terror that came over me.

And of course, I didn't understand any of that stuff back then as a, as a young teenager, but

I just remember this terror that came over me. And I knew there was something that they

caused something that they, that they would cause that would come about. And I remember a couple

of them had some, uh, bad dealings afterwards. And it went until later, of course, long after I,

you know, late years later, after I got saved and, and, and I, and I was studying scripture,

especially Torah. You know, they were, they were doing the things and, and into the very things that,

that God forbid, that God forbid. And again, these things are dangerous. Demonic spirits are

dangerous. They're, they're nothing too toy with, uh, they're nothing new experiment with. And as we

just read, as we just read in Marx gospel, they can also physically harm you. They, they can

cause physical harm. And I, you know, you just can't warn enough. I mean, because now, now, especially,

with the popularity and the growth of the satanic church and other called groups, I mean, people

are getting more and more interested into that stuff. And, you know, again, there it is.

Warning after warning after warning and scripture and, and examples of why not to deal with these

things or mess with these things.

Yeah, pardoning stuff. And it was the same back in the day, back in, in the 80s, um, early 80s.

I've, I've got many people to, to graveyards and things just like you know, I didn't like you,

I didn't participate, but, uh, I saw them doing some things that you couldn't have paid me to do.

Like I was saying earlier, things that made the hair stand up on my neck and, and arms and things.

And I was just observing. I can't imagine, uh, participating in these things, even if they're just

doing it for fun. The, uh, the things from the dark side that you're messing with, they don't

think it's for fun. They, you might as well be doing it in all seriousness, as far as, uh, the

demonic forces are concerned. That's my belief.

Well, it's, it's, it's no different than going open up your door at three in the morning and

going, okay, well, come on in. Yeah. I mean, it, the, the occult designs,

it's rituals and its beliefs purposely against laws of God. It, it, it's done with intention.

Uh, have you, you ever, you ever heard of, uh, you know, uh, Anton Lavais,

Satanic Bible, the purple book? Yes.

Yes.

When you read through it, it's, it is almost like, and now I've only glimpsed through it before,

just doing research, but it is almost like he reads through the laws of what God says not to do

and the things that God says to do and reverses it in absolute direct opposition of what God

commands. And anytime, and a good, a cultic practice is basically

opposition and defiance to God. See, I don't believe they're atheists. I believe they know there is a

God and they purposely rebel and go against God. And that is exactly what Satan and, and, and,

and the demons do. They purposely go against God. That, that, that's their, that's their whole goal.

Yeah. Yes. I agree. And, uh, that's, uh, you know, that's a little way in Satanist. But, uh,

the Crowley Heights, they same thing. That was part of his teachings. And you can hear that. There's

recordings of that in his voice to tell people to learn to write backwards, to learn to walk backwards,

to, um, do things backwards. And that, I think that's where this, uh, back masking the backwards

messages and things come from. But that's, again, it's a mockery. It's doing everything just the

opposite of how you're supposed to do it. Exactly. It's, it's, it's, it's, er, every, every bit of a

cultic practice is a counter to that, which God said is, is good and is commanded to do.

And then even in some of the demonic manifestations and things, um, the threes we talked about that

before, that's, uh, people get three scratches or something will knock three times at, uh, 333 AM,

that's from what I understand, I'm mocking of the Holy Trinity.

It is. And also it's a, it's a mockery of, uh, the time of, uh, the crucifixion.

Because the crucifixion was at the last temple sacrifice during Passover, which was 3PM,

or as we, as we know now is 3PM. So the, the polar opposite of that would be 3AM. And that's

what they, they call the witching hour. And in some areas, I've also heard midnight as a witching

hour, but I think 3AM is the most, uh, considered, uh, time for that, uh, the standard.

That's, uh, yeah, I agree. I agree. And, and, and again, it would make sense too.

But it would definitely make sense. Um, and, and I, I tell you, uh,

uh, Alster Crowley, that, that is, that is an individual to be scared of.

I mean, because if, as, as you read some of the stuff he did, and, and the stuff he was involved with,

I mean, he really blatantly, and you could see it in his writings, blatantly,

thumbs his nose at God.

You know, I want to, and go on with that. I want to, I want to read, read a passage about how do you know

if a person is being influenced by a demonic spirit versus being influenced by the spirit of God?

If you go to Galatians chapter 5, uh, starting in verse 19, and it's titled Life of the Spirit,

but I want to get into this briefly kind of differentiated too. And I'm going to go to James chapter 3.

This is the acts of the flesh are sexual morality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry,

witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfless ambition, dissentions, factions,

eminence, drunkenness, orgies, and like the one I warned you as I did before, those who live like

this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the spirit of the spirit is love, joy, peace,

patience for beariness, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control,

and such things. There is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified with the flesh

with His passion and desires. Since we live by this spirit, let us keep in step with the spirit.

Let us not be considered provoking, giving each other. Now we go to James chapter 3,

where it's going to, it's going to put all this together as we look at it.

James 3, and it says that there's two kinds of wisdom, starting verse 13,

who is wise in understanding among you, let it be shown by their good life, by the deeds done

in humility, which comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter, aiming the selfish ambition

your heart, do not boast or deny the truth, such wisdom does not come from heaven, but it's earthly

and spiritual and demonic. For wherever, for where you have self-invian selfish ambition,

you find this order every evil practice, but the one, but the wisdom that comes from heaven is

first pure, then peace loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy, and good fruit,

impartial and sincere, peace makers, you sow peace, reap the harvests of righteousness.

So look at Galatians 5, the efforts of the flesh, or the manifest sessions of the flesh,

it says here in 13, it says that selfish ambition, denying of the truth,

envy and every evil practice is earthly and spiritual and it's demonic. So the demonic forces

will have people manifest those type of things. It said witchcraft and stuff, even further,

the raging jealousy. There's people that have said, I have this anger that I cannot control.

Well, that's the demon influence on them to do that stuff. And then it goes down to the other

part in Galatians where it talks about the fruits of the spirit. What a believer looks like with

their control by the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, mercy, good fruit and those type of things.

And when a person is in power through the power of the Holy Spirit, those things cannot touch you,

and that's the difference between the two, because when people have rejected God's law,

has rejected the truth, rejected his Torah, that's what they happen is they do the opposite of God's

Torah. They do the manifestations and rage, anger, murder, witchcraft, whatever they want to do.

And they're being influenced by those, but those who are in the Lord manifest fruits of the spirit.

I think that by their works, you shall know them as I got that quote right.

Yes, you know, and what's interesting is is that, you know, James tells us that not only

they become hears, we become doers of the Word, which Martin Luther at the time did not like that,

because it mentioned the Torah, following the Torah. And the Torah protects us from doing those

things are opposite of God. You know, people say, well, I can accept the Lord and do it. And I'm

okay. Well, no obeying his commandments is what keeps us in that relationship. And that's why I

so important did run him 18 to stay away from that stuff, because God wants us to be in relationship

with him. But if we're relationship with something else, we open up doors for things to go on,

and we open up portals in our home that we don't know what's going to come for it.

And I think that points back to the verse about that you can't serve to masters.

Exactly. Yes, you can't be godly and do ungodly things.

Hey, brother, did you, did you want to jump into that look, that leak passage about,

about Lazarus, the ruler and that portal and stuff about that?

Yeah, let me, let me get to it real quick, because you, it brought a lot of good insight

about this. And it will kind of, it would probably be the thing that would really not conclude,

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Yeah, it was the, uh, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus,

uh, Luke 1619 through 31. And it's, it, it, it, it also spets a rule,

if you will, in, uh, for the ethereal, the ethereal plane. You know,

the rich man dies, he ends up going to hell. And the bet, a beggar named Lazarus dies,

and he's in the bosom of Abraham, which is a, which is an illustration or a picture of heaven.

And the rich ruler says, where I'm at, I'm burning and I'm entourment. If,

if I could go back and warn my brothers, and in the Lord's illustration here,

he makes it clear, you can't come back. Once you cross over, there's a gulf fixed.

So you can't go back and you can't do things anymore. That's it.

Once, once life has ended, physical life has ended for you. And you have crossed over

the barrier. Your soul has crossed, crossed over that barrier, whether you went to hell or

you went to heaven, that's where you are, that's where you remain.

And however, that rule applies to humans,

but Satan and demonic spirits are able to cross that plane still because they're not mortal,

they're not flesh. Um,

and that's, that's how people who are engaged in a cult practice is,

can cause these things to cross over those barriers from that dimension into our dimension,

into our physical dimension. It also, it also makes very clear, as far as the paranormal phenomenon

goes, uh, there are no ghosts because once a soul has departed and went to one of those two

places that it was destined to go, that's where it remains. It can't come back.

So what is the haunting? Again, it's a demonic spirit. The demonic spirit are able to cross

those planes right now, but humans can't. That's it. Once they go, once they go to where they're

going, that's where they go. And that square as, uh, Christ, uh, stands on, he was the first

person to come back from the dead, literally. The, the first fruits of the resurrection,

absolutely. Yep.

It's fascinating stuff. We've, we've covered a lot of ground here tonight and we've got just a few

minutes left. Um, you guys have any closing statements that you'd like to make or any other

things that you wanted to point out that we didn't get to. I know we veered off of your outline

there, uh, Pastor Justin, but it's still been just a fascinating, fascinating time as always.

And absolutely. Um, I would say because we, we are a lot closer to tribulation than a lot of people

realize. Um, I mean, besides just taking a look at their current world situation and

as far as, and rumors of war. Yeah. We're, I think we're in the end times. I truly do.

And I've heard that preached in the pulpit since I was a small child, but I believe with

there what's the, uh, the, the clock, the, the death clock, you know, it's been like, um, I think,

I think it's moved from, uh, two minutes to midnight. I think it's, I think supposedly, uh,

it moved up to a minute now. Yeah. And I think as a blade with everything going on,

it's probably moved even a few seconds more. Very, very possibly. And, and, and I would encourage

anyone who is involved in these, in these occultic things and, and, and other things that,

that bring about these, these terrible demonic manifestations, uh, come out of it while there

is still time. Come out of it. And there is forgiveness. The Lord, the Lord did die for their sins.

And with repentance, there, there is forgiveness. There is forgiveness through the death burial

and resurrection of the Messiah Yeshua. Yes.

And, uh, any closing thoughts from, from you there, Pastor Justin, or, or anything else,

you wanted to add about to the portals or any of the things that are fascinating topics that

we've discussed here this evening. I think that, you know, um, if you're wondering if,

if the Lord even cares for you and loves you, we're here. You know, the Lord is giving us the

ability to get on and speak about this. And, uh, if, if you're, if you're in this right now,

if, and in your home, if you are dealing with these things, or if you've encountered these things,

and there's a paralyzing fear, it's like Brother Erick said, you know, there's hope through the

Lord, through the death, brother, direction of the Lord Yeshua. There is forgiveness and repentance.

And if you turn to him, you never have to fear these things. If you, if you think, well, I made a

contract with the devil and the Lord can't break that, the Lord can break anything.

Colossians 2.15 says, is that when he died, he disarmed the principalities of darkness.

We have victory in him. We have victory, and we're called to walk in that victory.

So I encourage anyone, please, um, and I think as we get ready to conclude, Brother Steve, we'll have

the, um, uh, Minor Brother Erick's contact for Salmon Show Far, please reach out to us. So if

you want to know, we'd be happy to tell you about, about his gospel and his love for you,

and you can come to know him today. So please come to know him while there's, while there's still

an opportunity before it's too late, because you never know. You may, you may die, and if you have

not accepted him, you're going to go to that, that torture in place where, uh, where the rich were

or went and be tortured. So please come to know him today while there's still a chance.

Indeed, none of us have a promise of tomorrow, but we do have the promise of our eternal life.

Now just, uh, for people that are listening, it might not be able to see those links.

Tell us again, where they can find you, uh, online, and, uh, what, uh, you offer there.

Uh, it's Sound the Show Far Messianic Ministries on Facebook.

Um, uh, there's sermons. Uh, we, we, we have sermons during the week.

Um, there are books, uh, there are books available, uh, Deception X, uh, Revelation 9-11,

that covers, uh, some of the stuff that we talked about.

And yeah, uh, please contact us. Absolutely.

Okay. And, uh, any thoughts, uh, closing thoughts from you there at Pastor Justin?

Nope. I think he said it best. Just, uh, reach out to us and always get to be on the show, talk

about this. And it's just really, really, really awesome to have a Lord Jesus. So we pray in that

people, as they listen, that they'll come to know him. I know people I talk to, or listen to,

and they love, they, they love what's being told. And the sad part is, the churches are not

addressing this. And, um, I'm just, we're just grateful that the Lord has given us the opportunity

to do this. Yeah. So if anybody has any questions, if they're in native prayer, if they're searching,

you're there to help. I mean, you're, your pastor is first and foremost. So, and, and that's

part of your calling. But, uh, there's something you mentioned there that I'd like to touch on for

a moment. You mentioned how the church, just in general, not any particular church,

doesn't address these things. Why do you think that is? Because it's so frightened, because it

makes the, the congregation uncomfortable, which, which it should. I mean, there's times, you know,

that I've, I've heard that sermon, you know, this, this ain't your grandma's religion. I'm going

to tell it to you like it is. Sometimes your toes need to be stepped on. You need to be humbled

and, and called out on things. But just in your, your opinion, and again, not toward any

denomination or the other. Why is it that the church doesn't deal so much with spiritual warfare?

And, uh, the occult, cult practices, uh, demonic things that are manifesting. And it seems

like more and more every day. I mean, I'm secular people that I know people that are into other

religions, uh, druidism and paganism and wicked things like that. They see this quickening too

that we're reaching the climax here and all this. The time is running out. But again,

why are most churches? And again, I'm painting with a broad brush here. Why are most churches not

telling their congregation about this just in your opinions?

I would say, I would say it's not a popular topic. Just from what I've seen it, it, uh,

uh, there's loss of numbers. It's not, uh, it's not, it's not, it's not happiness. Um,

you know, the, I, I, I've, I've talked to other pastors myself. And, uh, a lot of them don't even have

a lot of the ones I've talked to have no idea about this stuff.

No. They, they, they, they have no idea about this stuff. Um,

that, I mean, there's, uh, that's a, that's a few reasons I, I, I've seen, uh, brother Justin.

I think, you know, you take, for example, the concept of an F one,

there's crazy teachings out there that people will go to seminary and they're told that

Genesis 6 is the sons of Seth. Well, that theory came from Augustine.

And if you know the history of the church, fathers,

while some did serve the Lord and love him, they had a bias like they did these,

these, these concepts of the Nephilim and stuff were, were even known in the early church.

Even today, when you talk about possession and demonic possession and stuff that was going on

in testament, oh, well, that, that, that happened at that time and that went away.

And I'm like, what did they do? Did, did Satan and demons take a vacation? Did they say,

oh, we're done? No. And that, I think that deception, it was part of the devil. It's part of

the enemy, you know, and brother Eric just read about a demon manifesting inside of a church.

You know, there's, there's right now, there are recordings of people just preaching

and demonic manifestations happening and people are doing the living ministry right there.

You know, and it boils down to, there's a pastor thinking the book of Hosea and it says,

my people perish for a lack of knowledge. And people just don't, people don't believe in it because

it's not bringing money because when you choose to do this, when you choose to follow this and you

can talk to brother Eric, you become a target of Satan and your life, these things will try to

destroy you because you are making a claim that you're going to proclaim the truth no matter what.

And you're going to want something deeper. You're on the front lines of ministry and all of

gates of hell hate you and they're going to try to stop you. They're going to try to bring people

against you. You may be, there may be days you feel like you're isolated and alone. You know, you

may, you may get arrested by the cops. You don't even know why you're innocent. There's things going

on in your life where these things will turn and you're going to become like a modern day joke.

And that's why I think people don't want to address it because they're too scared. They don't

have a spine to stand up and preach the truth and preach the gospel because they're so concerned

about what people think. And when you come into this ministry as brother Eric are doing,

you have to make a decision. Either you're going to follow the Lord Jesus Christ or Yeshua

and obey His commandments or you're going to side with the world. There is, you cannot have your hand

in heaven and your hand in hell at the same time. It's one or the other. And that's what I think.

Sorry to mean start preaching. I apologize. No, right. I preach over. But well said, well put.

And with that, I'm going to go ahead and close out this episode. Again, I want to thank both of you

Pastor Justin and Eric for joining us here again. And I look to have you back soon. And again,

thank you so much for being here. Thank you, brother Steve. Again, it's an honor. It's an honor

and a privilege. And thank you so much for having us. All right. Well, that's going to wrap it up

for this episode of everything out there on the Clyde Lewis Gramsay Road Radio Network.

I'm Steve Stockton. On behalf of the pastors and myself, we'll see you a little further

on down the trail. Tell your animals. I said hi. Good night, everybody.

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