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Live from Studio K presented by our friends over at Circle K.

And I had to had to hold the studio

K for an extra long period of time.

Because we held Kansas scoreless for extra long periods of time

in this game, Damon, a 19 oh run, a 14 oh, sorry, 16 oh runs,

sprinkled out throughout this game.

It was an absolutely incredible performance.

Arizona is fully loaded again.

Yet I say again, Damon, you are alive from Macayle.

Let's get started here.

How are we feeling to be back in the dirty T where it all started?

Feel great, Kevin.

Obviously, I've talked a lot about going to football games

on this show.

And there's been a handful of football games

that I've gotten to be able to attend in the last couple of years.

But haven't been back at the Macayle Center in a very long time.

I was telling you off air was we've started the show that I can't honestly tell you

the last time that I went to a game here at Macayle Center.

Probably like I want to say like a year after I graduated or something.

So it's been a few years here.

And it did not disappoint the environment tonight.

The crowd was electric.

I felt like Tucson was up for it and took that challenge from Tommy Lloyd.

And also the challenge of playing Kansas, which is I think Kansas is that premier program

in this conference.

But also on top of that, their fans are the best in the conference.

And they had a decent little traveling contingent out here.

I wouldn't say there was a lot of Kansas fans.

But in the few opportunities that Kansas fans had to cheer, they were going pretty nuts.

And I felt that Arizona fans absolutely replicated that energy.

I spoke to a couple of Kansas fans that came out here tonight and just kind of asked them

about what they thought about the environment at Macayle Center.

And they told me that it was very respectable.

Obviously, we are not on the Kansas level.

But they were pretty, I think, I don't want to say appreciative, but they were given

their props to a fan base that showed up and was very, very into the game tonight.

There's no doubt about that.

Yeah.

I mean, they absolutely killed it with the stripe out as well.

Erica, they put that out on her Twitter earlier, Damon, the environment looked incredible.

But the team looked even better, man, like this team is special.

And they're getting healthy.

It's seemingly at the right time that they can maintain this.

And look, having co-opied back, I know some people on TikTok think he's got no back.

I'm here to tell you, I don't give a damn.

He knows how to help win basketball games and having him back is a huge boost on both

the offensive and defensive side.

You saw that from the tip off in this one.

We could tell co-opied looked a lot healthier in this one, Damon.

What did you see from co-opied in his return, Mr. Arizona's return to the court in Tucson?

All right.

Well, first off, I think you saw a lot of love from the fans.

People excited to get, you know, one co-opied back out of the pops tonight, Kevin.

I, you know, I felt like from the crowd, co-opied definitely up there with the loudest.

People excited to see Dwayne Aristotle back in action when CDG went out there on the

court.

That might have been the loudest it was all night, which is awesome.

The fact that CDG is just a fan favorite here.

And then during the NBA, like lead catch, portions, Kevin, they were showing highlights

of all the players in the NBA, Caleb Love received the biggest pop.

So I know that would make you happy.

But yeah, I felt like the fans were pumped up to get co-opied back tonight.

That early flurry was like exactly what this program and what this fan base needed, because

it was just like, all right, not only is co-opied back, but he's back back.

Like he's playing like we remember co-opied can play, and you didn't really need him.

I feel like as much in the later portions of the game, like it's not like he was just

kind of non-existent.

It felt like it was the Bradenbury show, Jane Bradley at the ball in his hands a lot.

No creboss was really good, but co-opied in that first half in particular looked decisive

with the basketball.

I was talking with Saul at half time of the game, like it just felt like, you know, it was

very reassuring to feel like he's not only back, but he's actually healthy, because that's

a different co-opied than what we had seen in like the handful of games prior to him actually

sitting out with injury.

And then you saw the bounce, you saw the aggressiveness and the aggression that he shows on a regular

basis.

And yeah, so I, you know, it's just, it's great to have co-opied back and, you know, you

get these flurries of runs that co-opied is a huge part of where he's, you know, dunking

on people and forcing fouls and, and yeah, I mean, it's, it's a completely different

Arizona team when you have co-opied versus when you don't.

That's obvious, but even despite Arizona getting wins against big time programs, it feels

like co-opied is like integral to the ceiling of this team at least.

100%.

Talk about the way co-opied impacts this team, not only defensively, but offensively

as well, right, Damon?

And I think that it's just as important for co-opied to get involved in this game from

a passing perspective than it is a scoring perspective, because when they send that double,

who is the best on the team at making a decision out of the double team of the front court?

It's co-opied, right?

So going without that guy, it makes it a lot harder on Matias Crevas to be a Waka to make

those 0.5 decisions when it's, when a double gets sent.

And now I still think Crevas hold did a beat too long when the double gets sent.

He's getting better at it, more experience, well, but who of him in that realm, but having

co-opied back, we saw it.

He had four assists in the first half of this game.

And like the, they send the double to him, Crevas cuts to the middle of the court.

Boom, almost a no-look pass.

He had a beautiful pass that was kind of over his head.

Spears said the magic Johnson meme from the documentary.

That one, like co-opied is a offensive hub.

I know that people get caught up on whether or not he can dribble pat, like dribble

past shoot, like magic Johnson, but he is effective and he contributes to winning.

And he knows how to play within the system.

And yeah, it's beautiful to have co-opied back on the court.

He has a high level player and you love to see him play.

But more importantly, for Arizona fans, he helps you not only raise your floor,

but raise your ceiling as well.

And now obviously we're going to get a more into co-opied a little bit later with our

guy Saul Bookman, I believe, right, Damon?

Because you met up with Saul, Saul's down there back from his cruise.

Is he a little bit Tanner these days?

Yeah, he's looking good.

He's wearing a mint green hoodie, golf hoodie.

I mean, you couldn't miss him.

He is the star of the show here at McHale Center on a Saturday.

There's no question about that.

Now you say that, but Braden Burries does exist.

And I think we got to talk about it.

We can't get too far into the show and not mention it.

We can, we can, I mean, Chris Tricks and, you know, I'm trying to think of

stories, movies might be popping in here soon too.

They will not be happy if we don't get some Burries mentions started and fast, Kevin.

I mean, he deserves it, right?

I mean, no one else deserves this award tonight.

He is our king of the court and for damn good reason.

He had 20 points in this game, 12 rebounds.

I've been trying to tell you guys about this boy's rebounding.

Five assists as well in this game.

An absolute monster.

Braden Burries was.

He's become one of the best combo guards in America.

For my money, he has top 10 good, whether or not he goes top 10 and a GM makes a mistake

and lets him slip is not my fault.

But I'm trying to tell everybody now, this is a top 10 talent that you're looking at.

He put it all out there on the line tonight.

National TV, Darren Peterson coming to town.

Darren Peterson actually playing in town as well.

And Braden Burries said, you know what?

And look, I'm going to pat myself on the back.

I told you this on the pre game.

I'm not used specifically, but we told the people on the pre game, don't be surprised.

If after this game, we're talking about Braden Burries and not Darren Peterson, because

he has the capability to be that kind of player and tonight, he proved that transition,

his unbelievable rebounding for a guard, scoring at multiple levels, facilitating, read

why are you said rebounding?

But he put it all out there.

He did it all tonight.

His shooting is the last thing I probably should have mentioned there.

What was that experience like in person?

It was a religious experience, Kevin.

I'm moved from a spiritual standpoint.

I'm sitting there watching.

They didn't have a seat for me at the media section because I hit up our guy Nate Wiker's

a little bit too late.

And so I'm sitting in the concourse and people are looking at me like I'm a crazy person

as I'm screaming amen watching Braden Burries play basketball.

The guy is unreal.

As you said, Kevin, Darren Peterson might be the guard that gets talked about the most

in draft circles and for good a reason, but Braden Burries for the better part of this

season at this point has been on that level, has been on the Kingston Fleming's level,

has been on the Darren Peterson level.

And I feel like when you have such a hot start to the season, like maybe a co-apetid,

like that garners a lot of attention and headlines and whatnot.

But people that have been watching this team, I think know that Braden Burries has been

the best player on this team for the majority of this season at this point.

And yeah, that's a lottery pick if I've ever seen one.

You had Fran for Shilla call him Jamal Murray tonight, which is high praise, but he's bigger

than Jamal Murray.

I think he's more athletic than Jamal Murray.

He has a better, you know, not potential defensive ceiling as well, right?

Yeah, absolutely, because I think that strength just allows him to guard up a little bit more.

So while that's insanely high praise and Jamal Murray is a fantastic NBA player, it

almost feels like, you know, like, yeah, it's like if Jamal Murray's offensive abilities

from like a mid-range and, you know, three-point shooting standpoint, we're put into a guy who's

bigger, stronger, faster than him.

And now we're talking about like potentially like an all-star caliber player once he gets

to the league.

But, yeah, I mean, when Koa and Braden are playing like their best basketball and you get to watch

that duo out there together.

It feels like Arizona is genuinely unstoppable, Kevin.

Like it feels like it's specifically those two, because I think you get, you get a sustained

level out of a guy like Jaden Bradley where you know, just let's take away like the Kansas

game and the Texas Tech game on that like two-game losing streak, but he's such a steady, consistent

player.

Tobay Awaka, generally the same way Mo Kreeboss feels like he's just a rebounding machine

in a defensive specialist these days and, you know, he might add a little bit more offense

on top of that, but you're getting good level of play out of him consistently.

But when Braden and Koa are hitting on all cylinders, do can, in Michigan can't beat

this team, not my opinion.

So I really truly think that Arizona is the best team in the country and not only that,

I think that they are like the team that can essentially like the only way that they

get stopped is if they stop themselves and don't play a good game.

Have the lapses that allow Kansas to kind of, you know, chip away and get back into this

game, make it a four point game.

But I just, this team is just so damn good, man, and it's led by those two-star freshmen

unbelievable.

Yeah.

And you mentioned Braden Burry's potential pro aspects and what he could do.

I mean, Chris Tricks put it in the chat, right?

Like he wants Burry's to get more attention.

He's Devin Booker, Jr., and I've definitely come full circle on that take from where I

was week one of the season to where whatever week it is now.

But I do think that he genuinely deserves to get like just as, he definitely deserves

to get just as much love if not more than like a Keaton Vogler.

And I love Keaton Vogler.

I think Keaton Vogler is a hell of a prospect.

He's doing a ton of great things for Illinois.

But in terms of who's more ready to impact an NBA team today, it's Braden Burry's.

Keaton Vogler has, and this is all due, all due respect.

He has a lot more weight room to hit before he is genuinely effective at the NBA level.

He can play through contact and we can get into that a whole different time tapping

in my big board Sunday or Monday when it comes out.

But Braden Burry's his body's NBA ready.

He's 20 years old.

He's slightly older than some of his counterparts.

He's got the poise.

He's got the three level scoring capability.

He can play through contact.

He welcomes contact.

He doesn't, he doesn't make predictable decisions and transition.

Like the man is, is a savant, which is exactly what Fran Fashilla said on the broadcast

after the clip that I like pulled ended.

He goes, Oh, that's just a savant and I go, ah, but yeah.

Like he really played that way tonight.

He was dialed in, locked in and you could tell.

Now Damon, you mentioned a certain couple of ops back there.

You said Michigan and Duke.

Now Michigan and Duke had some big games on their on their schedule here at themselves.

Now everybody after these two results were saying Arizona, who, Duke and Michigan have now

separated themselves as the best teams in the country.

Michigan went in and put belt to ass in champagne with the big 12th or big 10 title on the

line.

And that game was incredibly impressive.

Great result.

Duke doing what they did to Virginia today.

Incredible result.

But can we talk about Arizona as well in that same breath because Arizona just put belt

to Kansas.

I will be it in their, you know, in a home environment.

I don't care.

The statements are being made.

It is officially conference tournament time.

The top teams are really weeding themselves out Damon and it feels like Arizona yet again.

People are, they're making statements, but people aren't listening.

You know what I mean?

And I think this game in my own opinion was a big statement to the rest of the country

that hey, we're just as good as the other teams.

And when we put it all together, we are damn dominant.

Yeah, no doubt about it.

I can't lie, Kevin.

I don't respect Virginia.

I know they're ranked high.

I know they have a good record.

I just, I'm not going to respect Virginia hoops.

They're not going to level is the other teams on that screen for I mean, not in my opinion.

I think that Illinois win, especially on the road in champagne with that offense being

one of the best offenses in the country.

That's pretty impressive out of Michigan to go in and get that W.

But Arizona's win is every bit as good as that and you know, I think you see it with

it being a little bit higher of a point margin of victory here, but I'll be it against

a really, really good team in Kansas.

So I mean, there was a time in that first half where I was like, I remember, or it was

early in the second half, I'm texting you, Kevin.

And I'm like, obviously, Darren Peterson is a, is a, is a very known commodity.

Like people know that that guy is, is cold, but that being said, that can't, the ability

of Kansas to like sit down and be mature and then start chipping away at that lead and

not feel like that like 20-ish point Arizona first half lead was too far away from them

to come back from and then get it within four or three or whatever they got it in.

Like I was, I was very impressed by Kansas's ability to do that, even more impressed

by Arizona's ability to then wear that storm, whether that storm and, and make it a blow

out yet again.

So yeah, I think, you know, this Kansas, I have long said, I think is, you know, going

into this season, me and you both were like, I think this Kansas team is really underrated.

Why are people not talking about them?

And I know that the scoreboard looks the way it does tonight, but I think, I think Kansas

is a hell of a squad and that's, that's like a real like, like signal out to the rest

of the college basketball world of, of, you know, how serious Arizona is.

Yeah, no, it certainly is and I understand we do have our guys saw Bookman here joining

very soon and I do have some questions for the both of you that I would like to ask.

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Thank you and shout out to everybody right now in the chat, sending some comments, especially

to Damon's way about his potential appearance.

And I'll say these are question mark compliments.

I don't know.

I don't know what they're saying.

I'm dashing.

I'm dangerous.

I'm not.

I'm sitting up here.

I'm like, I can't tell you what John Wilkes Booth looks like.

And again, if you're a podcast listener and you're not in the chat, that was probably

the craziest thing that you've ever heard in your entire life.

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But I will say, who was it here, Kevin, that said it, I want to give them credit for it.

Matt Evan said, why did I shoot Lincoln?

Listen, buddy.

I know very few things about John Wilkes Booth.

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I'm going to assume that a guy who was a star actor was a pretty decent looking guy.

So I'm just going to take it.

I'm going to wear it.

And you know, I'm going to take it as a compliment and move on.

I don't know how else to do it.

Now before we get solid here real quick, I want to talk on a question from the chat that

said it was Chris Tricks asking if we could talk about Bradenbury's NBA draft stock before

you move on.

And you know, like I said, big board coming soon, so you'll know officially where I think

of Bradenbury's.

But I think this is a top 10 basketball player in this class.

Like I said, to start the show, like, I don't really care if there's a GM in the top 10

that does or doesn't pick him, right?

That is their choice to make.

And if they don't, that's a mistake.

But there are a lot of good players in this class fit is a fit thing.

And there are a lot of teams in that upper echelon of the draft that aren't tanking

for guards, right?

You need some wings, bigs, whatever.

So he might go out of the lot or out of the top 10.

But in terms of talent, well into the top 10, in my opinion, well into the top 10.

Yeah, I agree with you, Kevin.

I don't see how you could sit here after watching Bradenbury's play basketball over

the last two months and not have him as one of the biggest risers so far in this class.

So yeah, I think Bradenbury's lottery pick lock at this point, I'm willing to put the

stamp on it.

I think Arizona gets two lottery picks, both co-op and Bradenbury's are picked in the

top 14.

Let's see what Saul thinks.

Let's get Saul in here in just a moment.

And Damon, do you do, do you manage to run into Saul out there today?

I believe you did, right?

Yeah, you mean Saul hung out for a little bit, chopped it up, you know, classic, classic

little experience out there at McHale.

I saw Cohen, saw Erica, saw all the fan.

So my god, Alec, who's here in the chat, says we're on to Bob Dobs.

I was going to say as we bring in Saul, I wanted to ask you guys, was Cohen suited

and booted again like last time?

No, not quite, not quite, not not to the level of last time, but to be fair, if that's

the bar in the barometer that we're working with here, you know, that's, that's a little

bit unfair.

I, this is about as nice as I dressed right here.

I got like a collarless, uh, Viori shirt on and like maybe some golf pants.

So that's like, that's like a three piece suit for Damon dog.

Saul looking clean as ever.

Saul, how are you feeling?

Oh, brain and bird.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Listen, I, I, I, I, Cole was not suited and booted today, uh, but to answer your question.

Yes.

I think top 10 pick for sure, uh, on brain and bird is, but, you know, we'll, we'll

see what the, what the draft looks like and all the other things are a little, uh,

so.

Now, Saul, the environment was absolutely electric as our part of the podcast, Jaden Bradley

Thompson.

There's Jaden.

The show, the ritual, ritual.

Yes.

This is not becoming a part of the thing.

Hey, he's, he's only got one more.

He's only got one more here.

McHale to do that.

So, uh, yeah, it'll be fun.

That's true.

I'm on Monday.

Monday.

I guess I'm going to get him.

We'll shine about first.

All won't he?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, listen.

He's going to do more than that.

If they win, if they win the whole thing, I promise you, uh, we, he and I might do snow

angels on the court together.

I don't know what's going to happen with all their confetti.

So, uh, but, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll pump the brakes for right now.

Let's start with Jaden Bradley.

Saul, uh, Deborah Owens in the chat earlier wanted your opinions on how he played tonight

against his childhood friend slash associate slash a comp, whatever you want to call him,

uh, Melvin council.

What did you make of the back court battle between him and council the night?

Uh, I mean, they kind of neutralized each other.

Uh, I didn't think like either one was really an instigator to a large degree.

I think they both played solid defense, uh, you know, Jaden, uh, you know, it kind of

struggled with the shot at first.

And then he got on a little bit of a meter, uh, right when they were in the middle, they're,

they're run a death, the 19 oh run that spanned it a little over four minutes and basically

put the game away.

Uh, that big three to kind of cap it off, uh, by Jaden and that, that's what you expect

from Jaden.

Uh, you know, he, he, he just, he meets the moment, uh, and I, I, I don't know.

I, I just feel like Jaden just does not have, he just has such a great feel for the game

that he knows when and when he doesn't need to force it.

And maybe I'm overplaying it.

Maybe I'm exaggerating it more than, than it really is, but he hasn't needed to do too

much for this team, uh, not when they're all healthy and you don't expect them to, but

when they do need him to get him a bucket, he has always come through and tonight was

no different.

When, you know, that nice little layup high off the glass, nice little kiss off the glass

high.

Um, and then he hits the three after he just missed the three, got it back, he was like,

no, man, we're not going out like that, uh, and cash money going back, 19 oh run, you'll

self-cost time out.

It's over.

Now, so, uh, Jaden Bradley was not the only one that went off tonight.

There were a couple of other guards that went absolutely crazy.

We spent a lot of our first segment here talking about Brayden Burries and, you know, the

Darren Peterson of it all, but I waited to ask this question until you were both on the

stream because you were both in McCale today.

What was Darren Peterson in person like?

There's a lot made of his game, but what did you guys make of his game?

We can start with Saul and then we'll swing it over to Damon dog.

Listen, uh, I was definitely one of those ones that's like, dude, like you can't be DNP

all the time.

And that's the initials, which was kind of crazy, DP, but man, I don't know, uh, we saw

AJ DeBonza, I saw Darren Peterson.

I can see why Darren Peterson would be the number one overall pick.

I can see it.

He, it's ridiculously easy for him.

He made the toughest shots look easy.

And I don't really care that he went six for 17, like, you know, and there's like,

15 minutes up to go and they say, like, he just made it look so easy and smooth.

And he was the single reason why Kansas was even in this ballgame because combined, uh,

Bedinga and council had 15 when they had 46 in Kansas and Bedinga only having two of

those 15 tonight.

So without Darren Peterson, they're MI, but to Corey's point, when we talked about on

McCale, I guess he thinks that this Kansas team is probably a better all around team.

Without Darren Peterson than with because there's a lot of ball watching when Darren Peterson

is on the court, which we did see tonight, but it wasn't there.

That's not Darren Peterson's fault, though.

He was hitting guys on backdoor cuts.

He was making the solid pass.

He was, he came off screens clean as a whistle, uh, sometimes too clean.

Just a really, really good player.

I could see why he would be the number one overall pick if he does come out.

Damon.

Yeah.

I mean, I, I think, you know, I, I thought very similarly to Saul, like it felt so easy

to him and it's almost like you looked up from one moment to the next and he had like

22 points at the start of the second half.

It wasn't as if it was the loudest 22 points that, you know, I've, I've really seen in

my life.

And it was, you know, that when Kansas closed that gap and made this thing a game again,

it was in large part because of their star player hitting some really, really tough shots

against a defense that's one of the 10 best defenses in the country.

So I was very impressed by Darren Peterson tonight, but I do kind of agree with what

Corey, Corey's take on it and, you know, from watching Kansas play the first time around

versus this second time around, obviously the environment and being at fog Allen versus

being at McCale is going to make a massive difference in this game and the outcome of

it.

But it really did feel like there was just a little bit less pressure on the role players

of Kansas in that game, that first game and part of that again might be because they're

playing at home.

But I think part of it is because they knew how many shots they were going to be getting

up.

They knew their volume wasn't going to be eaten into even if they missed like one shot.

And so you have a guy like Jamari McDowell who does nothing tonight, score 10 points

in the first half of last game or Bryce and Taylor, like keeping you in it all by himself

in the first half of that other game.

Now Darren Peterson is more the focal point and it feels like, yeah, the ball does stop

a little bit more with D.P.

So I, you know, I do think they play differently.

I don't know that it's fair to say that they're like better with with with Darren Peterson

or without him, but it's a, it's definitely a different team.

No doubt.

I just had to mention this because we didn't bring it up on the pregame show and I was kicking

myself about it because I have a crazy staff for the both of you.

And now you might have seen it because I tweeted it out earlier, but Jamari McDowell, right?

Played pretty decent for KU in the first game against Arizona, right?

Hit a couple shots, whatnot.

Can you guys guess his three point percentage at home?

I'll actually, I'll tell you it, 47.6.

He's made 20 of 42, three point attempts at home.

The road.

Can you guess his three point percentage?

13.

Damon.

I don't got, I don't got a guess.

Hit me.

Nine and a half percent.

He's two of 21 away from Fogg Allen Fieldhouse from behind the arc.

And I was just kicking myself.

We didn't talk about that on the pregame because other dudes like that are going to have

to his shots if Darren Peterson is not getting for 100 on you to win this game.

But yeah, you guys talk about how easy it was for Darren Peterson at times to get buckets

in this game.

I do think in the first half though, like his, his end of game numbers are going to kind

of cover up how rough and hard and difficult that first half for him was, in my opinion.

He got five free throws in that first half finishes with 12 points on three for 11, one

assists two rebounds.

So can you talk to me a little bit about the defense that Ivankar Chenkov played on

Darren Peterson?

Because I felt that he was really making it hard on DP for the first half of this game

at least.

Yeah, I mean, again, this is, this is, this is by committee.

I know Ivankar Chenkov starts off on them.

But then, you know, with the switches and rotations like it, inevitably somebody else gets

matched up on them.

And I didn't think Darren Peterson, I didn't, because of the shots that I saw him make

with ease, I'm not going to sit here and say that that was, he was three for 11 strictly

because of Arizona's defense.

I think sometimes it's just a little bit off.

He missed a easy floater than it should have made as part of that, right?

You know, but, but Arizona's defense has a part to play in this, right?

But then you see what he does in the second half.

And in particularly, there was one, I think it was, it might have been his last shot

that he made.

And I tweeted out like if Arizona doesn't switch up coverage is on Darren Peterson,

this dude could literally singlehandedly beat Arizona if they're not ready for it, because

they had cut the lead to two.

Everything was kind of on or nerving.

He had, he had made his way to the free throw line just below the elbow, he had a defender

in front of him, a defender to the side of the lead defender behind him.

And he hit a jump shot that just looked too damn eat like none of those guys were there.

And I was just like, oh my god, like does it was just too smooth.

And I would say that I want to call him cool breeze because he just looked like it was

just too easy for him.

He was just too cool for school out here.

And so I'm calling cool breeze from now on, cool breeze DP, because I mean, that was

nice.

That was nice.

One of the one of the broadcasters, I can't remember if it was Sean Beer for Silla,

they called them the shooting star because he's very potent for a moment and then he's

out of there.

And I was like, yeah, it's kind of poetically like very fitting for Darren Peterson in

a way.

At least the way his college career has went.

I don't know how his pro career is going to go.

But yeah, I mean, Yvonne Cartchenkov, I know that he wasn't like the only one defending

Darren Peterson though.

But I do think he made an incredible account for himself as a primary like on ball defender

in this game.

He made that incredible block shot that I mean, I don't think went down as a block shot

because they counted as a shot clock violation, you couldn't go back and review it and what's

the point in reviewing it.

You're up by a bunch of points at that moment in the game.

But he is out of position and leash you think on Darren Peterson's jump shot.

The ball gets swung over to Darren Peterson.

Cartchenkov covers about, I don't know how many feet, but it felt like he was one of those

bigfoot conspiracy videos where they cover 50 feet in two steps.

And he full length barely gets a fingertip on it, swats it.

The man is is absolutely incredible.

I know there's debate as to whether or not he'll come back or not come back for his upcoming

year.

I don't really, I mean, obviously, I won him back next year, please, but I'm just enjoying

him while we have him like, I know that he was not the primary defender saw, but oh,

me.

Oh, oh, salt, salt, just keep rolling, just keep rolling, but Damon, what I was going

to say was absolute Cartchenkov.

Can we talk about our sweet, sweet boy Yvonne Cartchenkov in this game?

What was that like in person?

Honestly, I'm just sad that me and Yvonne didn't get to lock eyes tonight at the McEl Center

and just kind of have a moment where we were both thinking at the same time about the

absolute Cartchenkov meme.

Yeah, exactly.

So that was a miss from the trip down to Tucson, but the dude's energy is palpable.

I mean, the way that he fires up an entire crowd, especially here in Tucson, I mean,

you know, here in Tucson, and I feel like, you know, not to, you know, this is not a

shot, but like sometimes the fans need to be told, let's get on our feet right now.

And Yvonne Cartchenkov is that guy on this team.

And so it's great to have an energy player like that.

You can't have a rotation full of eight energy players, but Yvonne is like the perfect,

you know, guy for that role and also just Kevin, this popped in my head like how remarkable

is it that Yvonne Cartchenkov is such an unknown coming over from Germany.

And you know, like we really didn't have any idea what player we were getting into.

And now he is the guy that gets stuck on Darren Peterson for majority of a game, AJ

DeBansta for majority of a game.

Like he is building tape against all of the best players in this class as their primary

defender.

And yeah, I just, I think it's crazy that we're looking at a freshman international

prospect that we really didn't know at all what to expect coming in.

And it's just like, oh, Darren Peterson's coming to town tonight, the potential number

one pick.

Cool.

Why know who's guarding them?

Yvonne Cartchenkov.

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We welcome back our friend Saul Bookman to the program who just had to go talk to, you

know, Mr. superstar Nate Weakers there a second.

But Saul, we were talking about Yvonne Cardchenkov and what do you make of his impact this year

for this Arizona Wildcats team?

I mean, Yvonne's fantastic.

We've gone on and on about Yvonne.

I almost have no more things to say about him because he guards the elite of the elite.

He is the primary defender against your best player on the perimeter.

And there's a reason for it.

It's because he can meet the challenge and he might not stop him 100% of the time.

But honestly, when you're playing against those caliber of players, you're never going

to do.

But can you slow it down?

Can you make them hesitate?

Can you make them second guess what they're about to do on the floor instead of just acting,

you know, reacting naturally, you know, and instinctively like they normally do?

You've got to throw some wrinkles.

What I love about Yvonne is he never guards the same guy twice the same way on back-to-back

possessions.

And if you notice, there'll be times where he'll be squared up on him and try to beat him

over the screen.

Sometimes he'll hug their hip.

Sometimes he'll try to shove him out of the way.

He got caught sleeping one time tonight.

And that was because Darren Peterson, full on, two hands, shoved him in the chest, got

off a screen.

I hope it's for me, pointer.

That was the only thing.

That was the only blemish on his otherwise very solid night defensively.

Again, Darren Peterson's Darren Peterson, we can say here all day long and say, oh, well,

you know, how come you didn't shut him up?

Come here.

He slowed him down enough.

That's the best you could hope for against the guy of that immense.

So Yvonne, again, flowers.

Now saw the front court for Arizona was very effective tonight, especially having co-opied

injected back into it.

And I don't think we've asked you this just quite yet, but just how important is it for

Arizona to be getting healthy and playing like this at this time of year right now?

I mean, it's to quote LeBron, it's everything.

I mean, the court crisis, like, yeah, so listen, I think they're getting healthy at the

right time.

Obviously, they got one more big game, and I know they have a share of the big troll title

right now.

So if they lost the next two, they'd share it.

But against Iowa State, with everything on the line, you want to see them win tonight.

What I saw from the bigs was just a really focused approach and pounding cans is in the

paint and enforcing their will down low and Bill Self even said it in the post game.

Bill Self straight up said, yeah, they just manhandled us.

We were not ready.

We came in with a soft mentality, and it was not good from jump.

And he didn't even say it in a bad way to just, you know, disparage his guys.

He just said, basically, Arizona kicked our ass like, and there was a reason for it.

The first 18 of 24 points were in the paint.

The other six were free throws.

And they were intentional about what they wanted to do to start the game.

And every single time they tried to draw, this was one of my post game notes.

They tried to draw.

They basically tried to do the Kansas, and this is kind of funny about Arizona so far.

They kind of look at what these teams are trying to do to them.

And they're like, let's flip the script.

So if you remember, in Kansas, what they would try to do is they tried to draw a crevice

up so they could throw over the top, or they can get them out of position to take advantage

with the cutting passes behind them.

Arizona tried to do the exact same thing.

And they would get their, their bigs a little bit extended and then date attack them.

Coa would attack without hesitation, Ivan, same thing without hesitation attacking the

bigs, attacking the bigs, attacking the bigs, and lo and behold, tiller gets two fouls,

but he is a non factor and Arizona can have their way with them in the first half.

And that's the recipe that you want to, you want to use moving forward.

I think that's the recipe to win the national championship is to continue to, to be aggressive

at other teams, bigs, and see if they could really hold up under the pressure because

they have a re-unrelenting threesome of crevice, awaka, and coa that come at you physically

in a variety of different ways and it's just hard to match up with them.

So yeah, props to those guys and I do also want to give a lot of love and I mean a lot

of love to crevice.

I think people are starting to realize the impact that he has at the rim defensively

and I know we've seen it, but I still think that even as a fan base, we don't quite appreciate

it as much as we could because tonight he is a deterrent for so many of these guys and

the way he can consume the lane defensively, it really is a game changer and without him,

the awaka minutes without crevice were futile, like that's when Kansas would either maintain

the pace or they would make a little bit of a run themselves with crevice in the game,

that's when they started to really make some momentum and build the lane and I can't

speak enough, high volume things about the presence and the effort that he gives us

night in and out and he still gets hacked like crazy.

No love from the refs.

I don't know what it is, but my man gets hacked all the time, but no whistle and he doesn't

even blink and eyes just continues to play, plays hard, a real revelation to season and

man, he's going to play a huge role moving forward obviously if they want to win a national

championship.

Damon, what do you got for us on Mo crevice because we should probably keep the Mo crevice

love train going a little bit because he does deserve it.

Yeah, so I did notice that he's he continues to get hacked.

I tweeted that, you know, he's looking like Sir Dunk out there at the trial of the sevens

if you're a fan of night of the seven kingdoms, just getting molly whopped by by people left

in right.

He's even he's even getting called for fouls or loose balls when he's diving for no reason.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, you know, there were a couple of times where like Kansas players were like jumping

over top of Bradenbury's his back to get jump balls and they're like, that's a jump

and you're like, I don't know if I agree with that one, but yeah, Crevice, I think his

impact is especially, you know, I think as the seasons worn on, like it feels like it's

not super box score dependent, although he put up a really good game tonight, it does

feel like a lot of what, you know, his his calling card, if you will, is being that

deterrent that you talk about, Saul, where he's just he's in between you and the basket

and he's such a large human being that I don't think that you want to take a shot over

that guy.

Like it's just and it's gladly intimidating, right?

And we saw him kind of get worked by Badunga in the second half of the first Kansas game.

And so I think I was I was curious as to see what that matchup would look like in this

one and didn't feel that way at all.

So great for Mo Crevice and, you know, it does feel like his role on any given night could

add a little bit more scoring here and there, depending on what it's called for, but really

what he's being asked to do is be a rim protector for this team and he's a damn good one.

And we talk about dude that might be not coming back next year.

I feel like Karchenka was probably closer to coming back than Crevice is.

I think like the the big class this year, if he keeps playing like this, right?

Like he will go in that like kind of like, like Lakers pick range, like the Lake late 20.

I know.

But it's all you say that you say that.

I'm watching a mock draft with San Vassini last night.

Crevice to the lake.

Like people are getting very high on Mo Crevice and what he can do when his eyes defensive.

I'm not making that face because Mo Crevice might go on point because the Lakers face

because the Lakers, yeah, I want to see another Arizona big go to the Lakers and just absolutely

stink it up.

No way.

Put him somewhere else.

Put him with the spurs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A little tag team will win.

I'll be okay with that.

Either way.

Right.

Thunder.

I mean, any of these wildcat dudes on the thunder MVP season loading, they figured out

that anybody.

Anybody on the thunder?

Come on.

That's what I'm saying.

Like put ADO on the thunder.

He might turn into J.J.

Ready.

Well, calm down.

Calm down.

Anyway, we mentioned it earlier.

We were talking about it off the top with Damon those saw, but the environment tonight,

right?

Damon pre-show.

I don't know if this was live or when we were setting up with Sam, like it's one of the

best he's ever seen from a Macale crowd standpoint, at least from his personal experience.

What did you get out of the crowd tonight?

I know Tommy Lloyd's been challenging the crowd openly saying, like, hey, we've been there

and it was nuts.

Our turn.

Can we do the same?

What did you see from the crowd tonight?

It was live.

It was live.

They were, they were in it to win it from the jump.

And these guys, everybody was here probably about 15, 10 minutes before tip, which is kind

of unusual.

Most of these people are going to stroll in about five minutes beforehand.

And again, another, another thing that Bill self said, Bill self said that he walked around

campus today.

And when he walked around so many people came up and they weren't asking for autographs,

they weren't asked for pictures.

I'm sure that happened.

But his number one takeaway was they wanted to talk ball.

Like, that's all they wanted, they just, hey, you know, how do you think our cats are

and probably like, you know, he like, that's all they want to do is talk to ball.

Like, tell me Arizona and check that we want.

Tell me Tucson and Arizona Wildcat fans are not all about ball, okay, because I can't

say the state of Arizona because there's a whole section up in Tempe that doesn't know

anything about basketball, okay, wait a minute, what sport are you talking about?

I don't know what you're saying.

Notice I didn't say Phoenix because, you know, people love their sons, don't get me wrong.

But hey, that other stuff that they don't count.

So like that, that was kind of cool because one of the things about being in a Lawrence

is you can tell everybody loves ball.

They know ball.

And that's the same thing about here in Tucson.

So like, and I think that's the cool thing about this, would I do feel like is a budding

rivalry?

If it isn't already a rivalry between Kansas and Arizona is two schools and it's very

rare where you have two fan bases that definitely have mutual respect for the other because

of what they've accomplished in the game and the coaches that that have been in those positions

throughout.

You talk about the Roy Williams of the world, you know, you look, you know, you look at

Bill Self and what they've done.

You look here and you, you know, you have Luke, Sean and now Tommy and each one of those

guys has a mutual respect for the other and the other program.

And so like it's, it's, it's, it's really great to see and I do love going into a game

knowing that like, it's really about like, who's the best team?

There's no excuses.

Just who's the best team?

Let's just watch some good basketball and whoever wins wins.

And that's, that's the fun part about this rivalry so far.

As opposed to like ASU, every time we play that team, you're just like, man, we can't

lose to these.

You know, I mean, like we just can't like and so I watched that game with a tremendous

amount of anxiety because you get very little satisfaction off the win.

You get a lot of depression off the loss because you know, you shouldn't be losing to

those bumps.

So it's a little bit different.

Now so like you, you touched on the rivalry aspect, the budding rivalry aspect and there's

a lot of budding rivalries between Arizona's athletic program and BYU for example, Arizona

and Kansas, right?

I mean, obviously we have to play the games.

You have to do all these years out, right?

But how exciting is it to, we have a possible, I don't know, decade, two decade, three decade

long rivalry between Arizona and Kansas?

All the historic matchups that could take place between Bill Self and Tommy Lloyd, however

long both of them are coaching at their prospective programs.

Like, this is the stuff we always talk about with the big 12 where it's like, man, okay,

in football conference, unbelievable basketball conference because the level of knowledge in

the fan bases, I think is on average, I'm not trying to say other faith bases are dumb,

but I'm saying across the big 12, you have, I think, Kansas fans are incredibly knowledgeable

about basketball.

Arizona fans are incredibly knowledgeable about basketball.

I think that the Texas tech fans on social media, the Bernerverse, I don't think that's

really indicative of the way Texas tech fans get down.

I think a lot of them do focus on, damn, we got topping in Anderson.

Iowa state fans are incredibly kind and they also focus on the game for the most part,

like shot the Travis clones.

This conference is incredible.

I love that Bill Self mentioned that because like NBA fan bases, right?

Damon hates when I always do this in the office where I'm like, Celtic fans, we know

ball, right?

Blues, blues fans, we know, we know puck.

Cardinals fans, we know baseball.

I think Arizona, wow, cat fans, no ball for certain.

And I think it's, it's really cool to be a part of like one of those kind of fan bases

where you can be sitting next to somebody at the game and it bonds people.

Cause you both have a knowledge of basketball and it's really cool.

Damon, do you care to chime in on that?

Yeah, no, I, you know, I, there was a tweet earlier that I had in the week in regards

to when UCLA got the kind of walkoff buzzer beat or wind on of indent over Illinois.

And UCLA being arguably the best basketball program of all time.

They got their fans flooding out onto the floor to rush the court.

After a, a win against Illinois of all teams.

And I'm like, Illinois is good, but they're not even top 10.

And that's what you're choosing to rush the court for.

Like to me, that was the sign of the fall off of UCLA basketball.

Not that we already didn't see that happening under Mick Cronin.

But that was like the true like, okay, stamp it.

They're done.

They're just merely on the outside of the top 25 caliber team.

They, they're not an elite program anymore.

And someone responded to me.

I think it was PJ C fan Mateo.

And said like, we're going to need a new rival.

And I said to him straight up, Houston and Kansas got us.

And I truly feel that way.

Houston and Kansas got us because, and I, and I think it's a little bit different

than like what the BYU rivalry is becoming.

Because I love the BYU rivalry, rivalry as much as anybody.

I'm trying to make it into like a hated thing.

I'm leading the charge.

But that's more of like a fan base back and forth type of situation.

I think Houston and Kansas is like, those are the programs that,

Arizona is actually dancing with right now.

And I think there's a little bit more of a respect factor with the fan bases

rather than like BYU Arizona fans.

Just telling each other that it's actually the refs were the reason that their team

just lost the game and that it assuredly of Tony Padilla was not

officiating that either team would have won.

But Houston and Kansas, it's like toe to toe box office basketball.

And I'm excited for the rivalry with the budding rivalry with those two

programs in particular, throw tack in there to a lesser extent.

But I think that, you know, the big 12 is so much fun.

And we'll get those new rivalries that they are forming right now.

They're in the early stages.

But when we're talking about like a decade from now, we're going to be like,

man, those bastards at Kansas.

I can't believe them because there's going to be so many big

Kansas Arizona games from now until then.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

You said, you said perfectly.

You said perfect.

Now, Saul, let's get back to talking ball, right?

Did not mean to rhyme there, my bad, but let's hit your notebook.

What do you, what kind of notes you got for us left?

I know you've mentioned one already, but let's hit the notebook.

All right, real quick with the notes.

You know, I talked about Arizona extended the Kansas bigs up to the printer.

Cool.

The refs missing blame foul calls to four Arizona momentum in the first half

was absolutely sending me.

So that was another note.

Um, and then, uh, let's see.

Oh, yeah, kind of to your point.

I will be been talking about.

I said, uh, how much better is it to be in the big 12 than the PAX 12?

And Damien, your point about UCLA was so on point.

And this is where I go with, this is where I go with fans that news

their mind about not going to the final four UCLA's been in the final four.

Hell, they've been to a national championship and they haven't won it.

Um, since, since, since us, right?

And you wouldn't even remember it.

You won't even remember it.

And those fan bases, maybe they remember it, but it's like there's so many things

going on in the LA that they just don't, they don't really care.

They're like, they're not about ball.

It's more of a social environment than anything else.

And so that's why I feel like when we're looking, don't be pulling a crap

like that right now.

Uh, so like that's, that's, to me, I'd rather have a real authentic

program that absolutely loves basketball than a superficial one.

And I do feel like UCLA is a superficial basketball program.

I don't feel like they're real.

I feel like they're just an entity and they got to put a court.

They got to put a team out there.

They had all this history and all this momentum back in the day.

And they just shout on the bed and let it all go by for corporate dollars and

fancy events stuff.

And it's just it lost everything.

It lost all the momentum.

And it's really sad to see because those Arizona UCLA games from back in the day,

man, they were everything.

They were everything now.

And now they're gone.

And now they're gone.

And the last time we had a really significant one, I'm telling you guys,

I was in UCLA watching Arizona when Alonzo cheer came back from PD use.

It was his first came back.

I was in Polly the night that we played them.

I think at the time we were top top 10 or top 15 team, they were like number one,

our number two in the country.

And we beat them.

Yeah, they had Alonzo ball.

They had a squad and we beat them at Polly.

And I was looking at the crowd and it felt like it was just like a social event.

To everybody except the student section props to the student section and you of a fans.

That were loud as hell and basically consumed the whole upper deck.

And that's to me.

That's when I was like, man, I lost a lot of respect for UCLA that night.

She's like, man, you guys have like one of the best teams in school history and you guys don't care.

So yeah, big 12 so much better fans that actually care authentic from top to bottom.

Even the big 10 is a farce.

Don't care.

All right.

And then I loved how the Bigs got involved.

And if you didn't notice this tonight, go back and watch the tape.

The Bigs got a little bit more involved and I talked about the creativity needed to get the Bigs involved a little bit more

rather than just that over the top pass from, you know, from the elbow over the top of the top of the key over the top.

What happened tonight is a couple of times either a walker or coa or crevice would extend mid baseline in between the three point line and the block.

They'd get the ball and then across ceiling off on the opposite block would be the opposite big.

And so it was one way for you to get big to big action as opposed to just going from the top, you gave him a different thing, a different angle and a different view and something else to think about.

Like you might, you might swing and in that ball, my rotate and you might think, okay, I got good position.

But if you lose your position for a second, you're basically going to seal you off and the other big is going to drop it down down low to him for the for the dunk.

And I thought that was great and we saw that at the very very beginning of the game coa Pete nice little no look pass over the top to crevice for the dunk.

Again, these small little wrinkles because coa Pete normally isn't that close to crevice, but he had a good feel for it and I thought that was great.

Arizona average 1.27 points per possession tonight.

That's pretty damn good 1.27 points.

Shout out to them and then everybody, okay, listen, we've been we've been hard on this one and as a bomb everywhere in the mom would go talk about oh my gosh, the free throws, the free throws, the free throws folks, they were 28 to 31 tonight, they made the first like 16 in a row, like they were fantastic and I continue to feel like I didn't want to harp in it too much, but it definitely felt like when it matters.

I think these guys are going to these guys are going to come through tonight, the environment, the mojo, they cashed in almost every single one of them, yeah, give props for that 20 to 31, I'll take that all day that ends with the last.

You got to feel like the home environment and also getting some rest definitely helps with the free throw aspect of things as well, right.

Yeah, absolutely. And then one more thing, this is just a random tangent.

So ESPN replaced Fran Farshilla in book with billis for the big 12 tournament, big 12 championship game.

And I and I just feel like listen, the people at ESPN, I'm sure they have the reasons, maybe they think that that's the prime time, you know, whatever.

Fran Farshilla is a notable big 12 stand like he has been he's the one that's been educating America on what they're missing within the big 12 when people didn't know who Kingston Flemmings was, he educated him when people didn't know about Ivankarchenko, he educated, I

didn't know when people didn't know about you know, crevice, he educated them, he's been on this road for a while and he's been ahead of the game, a large part, and it's really kind of crappy that they kind of replaced him in what could be the most epic big 12 tournament that we've seen in quite some time for for two prime timers, which hey, no, no, no, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, slough off, you know, billis and I forget who the other guy.

It's human, yes, human, but that's not, that's not cool, man, that's just not cool. Yeah, yeah, let, you got to let Fran and book you like run, run with this man because they've been wrapping the conference from start to finish man, you gotta let them see it through man, so that's a little disappointing, they'll be back here on Monday, and I'll tell Fran that too, like, hey, man, them dudes, man, that's, that's crazy, I was like, but if you want to do a watch long, Fran, we're here for it. So, you know, saying it's one of those things where it's like, who wants this?

Who asked for this? Who, who said we want billis out of the big 12 community? I think overwhelmingly, big 12 fans are, are pretty pro Fran, for sure, and obviously he's been doing it a long time, you're going to run into some people that probably don't like him, but I think that consensus is that he's a phenomenal play by our color commentator and that I, it's ridiculous to take Chambie and for sure off the big 12 of all of all conferences.

And then also because I saw this friend texted me tonight and said, you won't believe what Wally Zerbjack said on CBS a half time of the Arizona game. I was like, what? They said Arizona, Wally Zerbjack, notable, notable Hooper, I guess, said that Arizona has had trouble in close games, brother, they've lost two games all season long, what are you talking about?

They've won plenty of close games. Did you not watch UConn? Did you not watch UCLA? Did you not watch all these other close games that they've had? They found a way to win? Bro, just do me a favor. There's this thing called the internet. Check it out sometime, Wally. Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous. And that's what I don't like. That'd be like me making hot takes about Michigan, only watching one game.

Dude, you can't do that. That's careless. That's reckless. And you get paid to do a job. Do it. Do it. Wally Zerbjack. Do your job. Do your research and understand what the hell you're talking about my guy.

I did not think this podcast would be going to a place of Wally Zerbjack hate, but I mean, based on what he said, sounds very valid now. Now, now I want Miami, Ohio to just lose out.

Just lose out. Whoa. Well, that's not necessary. Forget the red birds, the red hawks, whatever. I don't give a damn Miami, Ohio can catch all the smoke now.

Now, you were cooking until you said that we got to have them win out so they can they can make it into the tournament.

They're talking about not they're talking about not letting them in because why saw because of a 29 and O team is not allowed into the NCAA tournament. That is not an NCAA tournament that I want to be a part of.

Damn it. That is a travesty, a sham and a mockery, a travesty mockery, as you like to say, for a team that could go undefeated in when their conference.

I don't give a damn the level of competition that is difficult to do and they at least deserve a shot at the tournament.

If they can't make it in, it's just going to be 20 SEC schools and a bunch of big 12 schools and then the best ACC schools.

And I don't want to be a part of that. I like the idea that we can get Miami, Ohio in there.

If they've earned it on their merits and if they get what when they get in there.

So be it. You had a hell of a ride, but you know, that's what the round that's what the first round is for.

Okay. Cool. All right. So noted. If if Miami, Ohio doesn't make the tournament, Kevin, ain't watching the games.

So I guess you're going to need another co-host there. Damn it.

Look, my point is that they continue to win and then they still don't let them in the tournament in lieu of Mizzou.

I'm like, come on, man, because that's what we're talking about right now.

People are saying, oh, we should put Mizzou in there. It's like, no, we shouldn't put Mizzou in there.

St. Louis and saying we should not put Mizzou in the tournament.

We should put Miami, Ohio in. But anyway, this is a U of A post game pod.

Before I leave, I do have one more thing I wanted to say, Damon, how was it acting with Natalie Portman and V for Vendetta?

Fantastic. I've gotten a lot of apparently I don't wear a hat and everybody's like just throwing different celebrity local

likes at me left and right. So before you joined on, I got a John Wilkes Booth.

I saw it mentioned. I saw that. I mean, that's a skeens in here. I listen.

I wish Paul skeens. Hey, listen, John Wilkes Booth. Hey, he's a shooter.

On that note, saw, you know, man, no, saw, did you have anything else for us before we get on out of here?

We got some post game sound talk about. Yeah, no, I don't have anything else, but I do have, listen, we have some really cool stuff happening this week.

That's why I had to get off and talk to Nate. Really cool thing. Hopefully we'll have it all submitted and thrown out to you guys by, by Friday next week,

which would be really dope. And then I have an article coming out about Jane Bradley, and I'll be out on Monday. So yes, look out for that.

Whoop, whoop, he is saw a bookman. You can follow him at Saul underscore bookman. Hopefully I get to find out about this secret that might be potentially dropping and might be potentially getting cemented here in the sometime near future.

But actually, actually, Kevin, I do need you to call me after you're done with the show because it does very much have to do with both of you.

Yes, yes, that much I could assume. But Saul, thank you for joining us. And like I said, you can follow him at Saul underscore bookman always doing good work over there.

You can see him on the kill madness. Last week you saw my face on the kill madness, but Saul back to our regularly scheduled programming is back in town.

So we will have him next week on the kill madness and no, well, Greg will be producing that pod because it's my birthday next Wednesday and I'll be celebrating.

Oh, no, no, no.

What's up? Coming Wednesday? Huh?

Is upcoming Wednesday? Yeah.

That's going to be a problem with the thing that I want to do this week.

Oh, no.

Oh, man, you miss. Oh, well, that's okay. It's all right.

And also next week, Corey will be at the West Coast tournament.

So I'll have a fill in that day's special guest alert.

Former U of A player just to keep everybody aware that is a good teaser.

Now that is a good teaser. Saul Bookman, thank you for joining us today.

Thanks, fellas.

So that is Saul Bookman.

And now we have sound from Tommy Lloyd is now I have to mentally think about what is going on with my next Wednesday and what do I have to tell my girlfriend.

But either way, Tommy Lloyd has spoken to the media and I've by way of one Cohen Kinney, the goat, the very fashionable one himself.

We have Tommy Lloyd's opening statement. Let's listen to it.

You know, for us, you know, we understand the magnitude of one of these two programs play what it means, you know, that's a testament to the history and the legacy of both places.

But, you know, for us, it's one of 18 games, you know, in a conference schedule and it counts as much as, you know, any of the other ones.

So, you know, we put ourselves in good position and then, you know, we wanted to take care of business today at home against Kansas.

And, you know, I thought our guys, you know, obviously, you know, came out and we made a great run.

You know, they were able to make a little run back at us and then we were able to make another run and then kind of finish it off.

So, so it's a great day overall and let's get this done so we can get outside and enjoy some water.

I don't know what Tommy's talking about. It is way too damn hot to be enjoying weather during this time of year.

But yeah, that's an Arizona guy. Open it up with. What were you saying?

I said, that's an Arizona guy. Kevin, I always have this argument with everybody in the office.

People being like, it's too damn hot outside.

And I'm like, as a kid who's grown up here my entire life, I'm like, it's not hot enough.

Actually, guys and Tommy being from Spokane, being up there from Washington.

Now, all of a sudden, he's a Tucson man. He's an AZ man and he's like, how about this 85 degree weather?

We got outside fellas. Gotta take the top off and hit the pool.

Noah says he agrees and that he's been outside all day.

Now, look, it was pretty hot yesterday.

It was 90 for February. I don't know if I'm with that.

But yeah, in the summer, it's a little too hot, but in the spring is pretty beautiful, but just not yet.

Give me a couple more recent winter, Groundhog, whatever the hell.

We talked about Mo Krivas earlier. We gave him a bunch of praise.

He is evolved as a defensive player.

He has entered himself in the defensive player that your conversation.

This is his head coach. Sorry.

Talking about his impact on the game.

Yeah, my most are really good player.

And I want him to understand his impact on the game is really unique.

And with his rim protection and his rebounding up both into the floor and stability to post up.

And what he's kind of added recently is being able to handle double teams.

So you wouldn't even even you're that multifaceted.

You know, you have you have high expectations and high standards for a player like that.

I just want to make sure Mo, you know, remembers that on a day-to-day basis.

High expectations and also high level of toughness required.

We talk about the level of physicality that he absorbs and maybe the lack of calls that he gets.

But whether or not the refs are blowing the whistle,

Mo has done a great job at getting tougher and playing through contact this year.

What do you make of Mo, Krivas?

I know we already talked a little bit about him earlier.

Yeah, I mean, I love I think what Tommy says there that you repeated when we first came back,

which is high expectations for that guy, right?

Because let's be honest, you know, a lot of us didn't see it going into this year.

Me and you included Kevin and we were very hard on Krivas and challenged him really.

I don't think that either of us were like, he's a scrub, he can't play.

But from what we had seen from him in his first two years and, you know,

at Arizona, really one and a half, I guess, it wasn't pretty.

It didn't look the way that it felt that it should have.

And I think no one has held more steadfast in their belief in Mo Krivas than Tommy Lloyd,

who has kept him a part of the program, kept him a big piece of the rotation despite maybe some struggles.

And I think that, you know, those high expectations that he had for Krivas never wavered.

He very much felt that what he has been able to accomplish this season was very,

very possible for him in an Arizona uniform.

And that's why Tommy Lloyd is the head basketball coach of this program.

And Kevin and I do a podcast.

Look, I mean, that's why he gets paid the mega big bucks for a while.

That's why he got paid the most of any state employee.

You and I are not state employees nor in his tax bracket.

And that is why he gets to make the decisions he does.

And then we get to react to them after the fact.

But last clip from Tommy Lloyd, there was a big moment in this game.

Kansas cuts it all the way down to two.

And I talked about this on Twitter.

What was Arizona's response to this major adversity where honestly,

a team with lesser mental fortitude probably would have got PTSD from the Texas tech loss

and thought, aw shit.

Sorry, my friend, but here we go again.

Right? Shout out to CJ, you know what I mean?

GTA, but this is what Tommy Lloyd had to say about his Tommy tough,

Tucson tough response to pulling the way there in the end.

Um, you know, I mean, I don't know if I have sought one thing in particular.

You know, they cut it to four.

And I just told our guys, we're going to win the game.

Take a breath.

Stay steady.

Let's see if we can put together a little bit of a run here.

And you know, how do you put together a run?

Play by play.

Play by play by play by play.

You know, I mean, that's his possession by possession.

My possession, my possession.

That's how you put together a run.

And so, you know, get a stop and score.

Get a stop and score.

It's not much more complicated than that.

So I thought our guys, you know, do the good job of, you know, kind of,

you know, I think we made it, we made a shot or two.

You know, I think even on like hit three that kind of hung up on the rim

and balanced around at the backboard and went in and, and then, you know,

wherever you get a defensive player to get out and transition.

And, uh, and you know, kind of build that beat lead back, you know,

to where we could, uh, kind of just, uh, you know,

you know, just kind of control it down the stretch of the game.

He talks a lot about Tommy Lloyd does about like having a possession

by possession mentality, right?

A zero, a zero score, zero, zero mentality,

where you're just trying to make a good play on this possession,

survive to the next one and then execute again.

And I think that we talk about this team taking on the identity of their coach

and you can really feel that in those moments where

even in the Texas Tech game, even in the Kansas game where they lost,

you don't necessarily see this team get panicked.

And I think you see that across the country every year,

there are teams that when they get in these close game when they blow a lead,

you can tell the whole team kind of gets tense.

The whole team kind of gets, okay, we got a, we have to get a stop now.

Or else they're going to tie this game and then we know we're going to lose the lead

and then they start spiraling.

You can kind of tell this Arizona team doesn't do that.

There's, there's an unwavering level of, damn, we're shrewing up,

but next possession, we're going to get it right.

And then the next possession, we're going to get a stop,

and then we're going to run this back and then we're going to do it again.

And they just have a very workman-like mentality.

And that's why I think that it's really tummy tough,

like their ability to come back and not come back,

but to respond with a 16-to-0 run after you already had a 19-to-0 run in the first half.

And the team has now cut the lead already down to two.

Many teams fold arguably last year's team folds in that scenario.

This year's team doesn't, it's unbelievable.

It is, it is.

And I think that, you know, this is the one part of the game that I think

maybe gets away from Arizona a little bit in that regard,

is when it's the end of games, and it feels like, you know,

when teams start pressing in close games that, you know, they,

they do maybe let the pressure get to them a little bit more so,

but when it's in the middle portion of games,

and the team goes on a run, this team always has a response.

Every single time they have a response,

and it really is pretty remarkable.

I think it is the sign of an elite team.

And I think truly what it is is, and we talk about this all the time,

but it's the sign of your team being molded in the, you know,

the mentality of its coach.

And Tommy's such an even keeled guy.

I feel like he gets him back into the huddle when, you know,

he calls a timeout of which he doesn't do very often when opposing teams go on runs.

He typically likes to let his team work itself out of it,

but I'm sure that when Kansas, you know, gets the lead back to four or whatever,

and he calls that timeout, he's sitting there going,

guys, we're fine.

We're better than them.

We're going to win this basketball game.

You just need to go back to playing like you were in the first half,

and playing like that every possession mentality that you keep talking about, Kevin.

And that's where, you know, I think, you know, Tommy is just,

he knows how to communicate with his players and with his roster.

And it's a, that's definitely one of the biggest impacts

that a coach can have, especially a college coach on college kids,

and, uh, and no better leader to have at the head of your basketball program

than Tommy, Tommy Wood 100% and, you know,

obviously we should mention this now.

He did make history today.

He tied Brad Stevens with his 139th win for the most wins in his first five seasons

as a head basketball coach at the D1 level.

And obviously his next win, whether it be next game game after that,

he will be full owner of that spot for how long?

I don't know.

John Shire is making a pretty good run at it right now.

There at Duke, I think he, I think he's just broken Tommy's record today.

I think for the most wins in three seasons as a head coach.

So yeah, John Shire is going to be comp in a couple of years for this record.

But for now, we celebrate and we raise a shot at Tommy Lloyd

because he is putting together as we talked about on our last live show.

In all time, great coaching career,

if he can continue at this unbelievable pace that he has set for himself and his program.

But, uh, Damon, before we get out of here,

I understand that you have a little bit of a story.

Yeah, I think first we do have to do the love of the play of the game.

If I'm not mistaken, this is Trevon.

This is a true story.

So why don't we go ahead and do that?

And Chris Tricks has been begging for it.

So, Kevin, what is your favorite Braden Burries play of the game?

Why don't we just go ahead and just give Chris what they want?

Look, I honestly, it's a tough one to pick between.

Because I think there were several plays in this game

where I'm like, man, Braden Burries, that's a pro move.

Like, that is an NBA guy that I'm watching on my television screen.

I don't know if it's the three in the corner

that made Fran call him Jamal Murray.

Or I think I'll go with that one.

Because if I had to pick a transition play,

because that's really what I love most about Braden Burries,

the way he plays in transition and the way he can slice through a defense,

score or facilitate or go to the draw foul and transition,

that's a lot to pick through.

I'll go with that corner three.

He hit at the end of the game where I believe it was Bryson Tiller shows on him

and then councils late getting over the curl screen.

He's, you know what I mean?

So he just goes, oh, I'm open.

Knocked down.

Bang.

Pretty much a dagger.

I know there's some time left, but pretty much a dagger.

Unbelievable play there by Braden Burries.

And that is my love to play the game.

What is yours?

Yeah, I am, unfortunately, I set you up in there

and that was probably not fair.

I need to make you pick a Braden Burries play.

But I was not going to actually choose a Braden Burries play myself.

I was going to choose an antidote or so play.

The three-pointer he hit tonight,

where it felt like Arizona really, really needed that bucket at that time.

He was over four from three.

He's obviously been playing so well with, you know, kind of the short rotation

in the last couple games.

And when he hit that,

pounded his chest, pointed out the bench immediately.

And it's not like Deli, you know, didn't look good tonight.

I thought that, you know, and Saul mentioned this to me when I talked to him at halftime.

Didn't say it on the post game show because Deli wasn't the story.

But it was good to see Deli attacking.

Felt like he looked confident, even though the shot wasn't falling from the perimeter

the entire game.

So I love to see that one go down in that moment.

Kind of, you know, help prop Arizona up a little bit.

But also, yeah, those mid ranges were pretty sweet.

Here's a play that actually wasn't good for Arizona,

but I loved seeing it.

There was a Kansas made three-pointer,

where Ivan Karchenkov and somebody else maybe just had a little bit of miscommunication as to

the switch and this guy got an open three.

I forgot who was that shot it.

And watching Ivan after the three got hit Kevin,

he turns around and he, he like throws his hands in anger because of them allowing an open

three-pointer.

And Arizona was up like it was in the midst of the second run of the 16 to nothing run.

And the game was practically over at that point.

And you, meanwhile, you have Ivan Karchenkov just so angry.

He's like, God dang it because they allowed an open three.

And I just love that guy so much.

He just fires me up.

Please come back next year, Ivan.

And if there's any rich boosters listening,

I heard from San Vesini's podcast the other day that any power five starter.

And I don't know if this is broken news and I'm just slow to it, but it blew my mind.

Any power five starter now is getting like at least a million dollars per what San Vesini said.

So I don't know what it's going to take to get a guy like Ivan Karchenkov back on their

roster.

But let's pony up and make sure that we can outbid whatever NBA rookie contract.

He's going to get going in the late 20s early 30s, right?

But I also have some honorable mentions that I want to mention for this love the play segment.

3D MK brings up.

Honestly, how do we not mention this was saw when when Jayden Bradley joined the pod.

That step back three that he hit was unbelievable.

Oh my god, smooth.

Don't do it, don't do it.

Boom, smooth better call somebody.

I'm stepping back and I'm making this three in your face.

It was unbelievable.

And then I also wanted to give a shout out to Ivan Karchenkov.

We mentioned him again in this love the play segment.

I don't know what time of the game it was.

I didn't have that part on the part I recorded.

But I put a clip out on Twitter of him top locking up with Darren Peterson.

He helps on a cutting for Badoonga.

And then he gets back out on Darren Peterson who thinks,

oh, I have an advantage at this guy coming at me because his momentum is coming this way.

I'm going to drive at his outside hip or inside hip rather I should say.

And Ivan Karchenkov just says, all right, I'm going to follow you, follow you.

Whoop, pick pocket, pokes it.

It goes out of bounds.

And then the following in bounds play is a play where I believe they inbound it to somebody in the corner.

It's either trade white.

Yeah, I'm looking at it now.

It's trade white in the corner.

And Floyd Badoonga is trying to post up.

But he's just backing up towards the free throw line.

Trying to like receive the ball over here.

And Ivan Karchenkov is like, well, if you're going to show me the ending of the movie,

I'm just going to, I'm not going to watch it.

I'm just going to go by my popcorn now.

He just goes and takes the ball on the pass, lay up the other way,

like two incredible defensive plays and a bucket.

Me, Ivan Karchenkov.

So honorable mention.

I love the idea of only speaking about Ivan Karchenkov in like movie puns.

The obviously playing off the absolute Karchenkov, absolute cinema meme.

Just like, and then he gets his popcorn.

And he says, I want to look up some spoilers.

And he clicked on a YouTube video.

And that's that's Ivan Karchenkov ball.

But Kevin, I did have one quick story I wanted to hit before we got out of here.

Because I thought it was funny.

I almost said it during the portion when you asked about

Jayden Bradley playing against Melvin Council.

Because I got a little bit of insight that I thought people was interesting that people

would love to maybe hear about.

I'm sitting there.

I'm talking to one, Mr. Bradley.

Jayden Bradley's dad at the end of the game loves the show.

Big fan of what me and Kevin are doing over here.

And specifically tells me he likes that we hold the team accountable, Kevin.

So shout out Mr. Bradley for, you know, he keeping it real, 100% of the time.

And I asked him about that tie up at the end between Melvin and Jayden.

Because I was curious.

I was like, because while I'm watching it play out, Kevin,

I'm standing right next to him, you know, a little bit of a distance.

And I'm seeing him in, in, in Jayden's mom.

Oh, loving it.

Loving the, loving the little back and forth.

Loving the fact that two dudes from Rochester, New York are refusing to let go of the basketball.

And like borderline like about to go to the ground fighting for it, right?

That's firing up the Bradley family.

I go over, I ask about it afterwards.

I'm like, I'm like, so what's, like what's going on there?

Like you, I saw you love seeing that.

Like what's, you know, can you give me anything?

And he tells me, Melvin's two years older than Jayden.

So Jayden has been playing up a lot of his life.

Yeah, I don't really understand how that works either.

But Jayden's been playing up a lot of his life in terms of his basketball age.

And he had never lost to Melvin council until the last game against Kansas in his entire life.

So you know, Jayden, you wanted this one bad.

That is unbelievable insight.

And I'm so glad that wasn't one of the, usually you and I chop it up a little bit before the show.

Kind of get a rundown where we're going to talk about.

And sometimes usually me, I'm a, I have a little bit of loose lips.

And I'm like, oh, I should probably not tell you this because I want to spring it on you.

But I want to talk to you about it now.

Anyway, so we're going to talk about it.

I'm so glad you didn't tell me that pre-show.

Because that is an awesome story.

I'm looking up their birthdays.

According to what I can find, Melvin council, this is from Eurobasket.

No, this, no, this might be his dad.

I think I found Melvin council senior.

That was a crazy play to find out people say,

people say Melvin council junior looks like he played with Dr. Jay.

So did Melvin council senior play with like James Naismith?

I have to find that out for you after the show.

From what I'm looking at basketball that eurobasket.com,

Melvin council is a USA basketball player born in 1982 from New York, New York.

He's a six three guard, most recently played for the Rochester Razor Sharks and the PBA.

Graduated from Robert Morris in Illinois in 2007.

Drafted by the Austin Toros and the D league.

And in 2007, or that was in the 2007 third round.

I don't know what the hell we got going on with Melvin council senior.

But either way, apparently Melvin council junior from what AI overview is telling me,

I know AI slot, but it's the closest I could get in fastest time possible.

April 23rd, 2002.

Jaden Bradley's September 14th, 2003.

So maybe we're doing a little bit of rounding up there with the years,

but either way, you're right.

As seen as the Jaden Bradley is a little bit younger than Melvin council.

So that is very, very interesting, Damon.

But I think that is Damon's way of saying that we need to get the hell out of here

on the AZ Wildcats podcast as I'm sure he's a busy man.

And the busy man is probably getting his phone calls in right now.

And there he, oh, there he is.

There he went.

Let's see what Damon dogs got for us as he dips out of the stream.

But either way, thank you all for joining us today on a very special edition

of the AZ Wildcats podcast as Damon is joining back in.

What a man.

What a man this guy is.

What is going on here, Damon dog?

What are we doing?

My, I'm just going to full scale under the bus throw.

Somebody here, I get a phone call right now from my,

my jackass friend Sean who wants to go drink somewhere around campus.

And it just completely took me out of this post game show.

Leave me a voicemail, Kevin.

And this is what the overview says.

Hey, Damon, it's your friend Sean.

I don't know if you remember we used to live together for like three years.

I don't know three years.

But hey, if you get a chance, call me back by.

Well, I'm glad that was worth it.

I'm glad that was worth it.

Honestly, it kind of was worth it, Damon.

Because now I know that I need to put our lower in the one shot for moments like that.

Because I threw the one shot and I didn't have a lower on.

You know, I mean, that's just embarrassing.

Wow.

It's truly embarrassing.

But that's what you get when you're an hour and a half into the post game in Arizona

has defeated Melvin council, Darren Peterson, Bill Self,

and the KUJ Hawks.

Damon, do you have anything else we're going on out here?

No, that's going to do it.

Appreciate everybody for watching this one.

It was an absolute banger game, one of the best performances of the season for the Arizona

Wildcats, and cannot wait for another one on Big Monday.

Kevin, another Big Monday matchup for the cats as they take on Iowa State.

We will not be live in the meantime, but we will be live for pregame and post game coverage

of that Iowa State game.

So be here on this very same channel.

Subscribe if you haven't done so already.

And definitely like this video.

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But yeah, absolute banger.

Glad I was able to come to Tucson for this one.

And yeah, it's another Arizona Wildcats W.

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