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Hello, everybody.

Welcome on into another episode of Press Coverage.

We help you get an edge in fancing the ball.

I'm your host is always white,

fertile, and with me tonight, Kevin Coleman

from the Debbie Royale to talk about some tight and prospects.

Kevin, how are you?

Hey, man, I'm good.

Glad to hop on here.

I was telling you a little bit of pre-show.

I haven't done this in a while for someone else,

and I've always, obviously, respect you.

And hey, we've got to talk about tight ends, baby.

Everybody forgets about tight ends,

but they are people too, dammit.

Like they are fantasy asses too.

They're not forgetting after this weekend.

No.

Now what they did.

That's a good group.

This is a fun group, they tested really well.

So I'm excited to talk about them a little bit.

Yeah, before we get into some individual players,

tell me thoughts on this class as a whole.

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,

I've been back and forth on this.

Like I think that it has a very top five guys or six

if you want to throw up maybe one of these tight ends in here.

We'll probably talk about that.

I think that the strength is why do you see

your first tight ends?

And I do think there are some valid, like solid assets

in that group there.

I think outside of love, it's the disaster

at the running back position.

I think that you and me and like 10 other people

could have different two through 10s at the running back spot.

And I think that's perfectly fair.

I think there, and outside of Mendoza,

I think you're running like a lot of dark shots

and just kind of whatever.

But I do think that like I got made a joke

on our discord day and I was like, man,

I'm just going to take every tie-in round two like whatever.

I'll just start, I'm just going to draw some tight ends

because I think that there is value in those two positions.

And that's fine.

As long as you have a class that you think you can find value in,

I think you're excited about it.

I just don't know how deep it is.

Like I do think you start getting into where I was telling people

like I do feel like the back in the first feels like

middle seconds from last year or previous draft classes.

Like I do think that there is definitely a tier

and value change in that group.

But it doesn't mean that these players are going to be good.

I just think that there is definitely a perception out there

which we'll see how that goes with landing spots

and stuff like that.

We've been really spoiled by tight end classes recently.

Yeah.

So while this is a good class in my opinion,

Pi doesn't measure up to some of the recent ones

we've had in my opinion.

But that doesn't mean it's bad, you know,

like I think this is still a good class for sure.

Yeah.

All right.

What we're doing, we're going top five tight ends

based on NFL mock draft database

by their consensus bigboard.

First one, of course, is Kenyansseek

as he's projected to go to the first round.

Where in the first round seems like it's rising

after this weekend, measured in 6.3,

241 slightly lighter than expected.

Though, you know, I don't think that weight is a problem.

We're seeing tight ends coming more in

at this kind of size in general.

The production metrics, we just have to be honest.

They're not that great, you know,

even in this class, like not great

and not great overall, just a career 1.72 yards per out run,

0.63 yards per team pass attempt,

career 30.3% of his snaps are in line, though,

which I like to see from him,

because I think Sadeek is not a liability as a blocker,

which is a problem that we can see

with some of these tight ends,

played over 50% of his snaps out of the slot.

And I mean, he blew up the combine, right?

Like there's a way around that.

How do you feel about Sadeek coming into this?

So coming into the combine, I knew he was going to test,

I figured he'd test really well.

I mean, he's kind of a freak, like we've talked about that.

And we've seen that at Oregon too.

I think the one thing I'm, I'm glad he's 6'3".

So I'll say that out the top,

because I was a little worried,

because Oregon has a history of cooking the books,

like someone who has Debbie in college prospects,

like we have seen them coming lower.

So I'm glad he's at 6'3", 241, like you mentioned,

like I was like, all right, where is that size going to be?

I know everybody has that 245 number.

It's so funny, it's four pounds, like, you know,

like it's just funny how we have those metrics there,

but I do like that you brought up.

His run blocking was okay this year.

Like I really think like from PFF standpoint,

66.3 run blocking grade, which is pretty good.

Like that, if I had to guess,

it's definitely top 10 at Titan's position,

maybe a little higher.

And he did pretty good there.

Like now, he didn't have a ton of opportunities there,

obviously in terms of run blocks,

just because of the way they used him.

But I like that, at least you can say he's not

too big of a liability to be there.

He could chip, he could do a little bit of things in line.

And I do hear a lot of arguments about run blocking,

which it is needed, but the 12 personnel

and teams really having a run blocking tight in

and just need a guy likes to deek.

If he goes to a spot where he's not that inline guy has to be,

I think he's fine.

I don't really go towards that.

Like, oh my gosh, he's never going to have a field.

He's going to lose snaps and all those things.

The one area like you mentioned was his production.

And there's something to say, like Oregon,

if you guys didn't watch, you know,

I know everybody watching football.

They had a lot of injuries this year

at their wide receiver position.

You know, they lost their stud freshman

to Cory Moore, they lost Evan Stewart,

they lost guys throughout the whole year.

So Deek was pretty healthy.

He played a lot of games out there and he was there,

but the production really didn't follow.

And his two best games, Rutgers and Minnesota,

not strong opponents, like I'm glad he had games,

but those are his two best games outside of USC game

where he did have two touchdowns.

And like he does have the talent,

but the lack of production, even, you know,

he had targets, he had 67 targets, right?

So like, was that a scheme thing?

What, what was it?

What was the reason for that?

I think that's the biggest red flag in his profile.

Yeah, I don't love having to give too much context

to the production for like a top prospect.

He's still my number one tight end.

I still think he's a good prospect,

but like I don't think he's the same level

of some other tight end ones we've seen

coming out in recent years, but he's really excited.

I mean, like for me, the athletic testing,

him being as good as he was wasn't necessarily expected.

He was expected to be an incredible athlete,

but it doesn't change his profile anyway,

because his profile was built upon him

being an incredible athlete going in round one, right?

So like him being an incredible athlete

doesn't change anything for me.

I have seen some people talking about like raising him up.

They're, they're rookie rankings from, from this weekend.

And for me, it's like he's still in the same spot

because he just, he just solidified

where I thought he was to begin with.

Yeah, I mean, he's, he is who he thought he was, right?

Like when you're looking at him, like,

well, I knew he was going to test well.

There's still a little bit of question marks

that we talk about.

This is a completely, this projection or profile.

If you're betting on him,

this is a complete traits versus college box score.

Like, all right.

What does his traits look like?

Hey, do you think he can be exposed to the catch?

Do you think he can be that versatile inline guy

or maybe goes up the seam against linebackers

and does those things?

Which I do think he can.

I think it's really good.

He can get flexed out motioned.

I don't see this, like, I've seen some people say,

oh, he's a top five guy, rookie drafts.

I don't have them there.

I don't have them there unless it was extremely tight

and premium.

Even then, like, these other guys,

I think the group as a whole,

you could draft some of these guys late first, early second.

You wouldn't be that sad about that.

Like, I don't necessarily think Sadik

pounding the sand.

I pound the sand for Loveland last year

just because I was a Michigan fan.

But I love Loveland.

Like, I don't strive myself pounding the sand

for Sadik at all.

Like, yeah, so I'm going to draft this guy to every draft.

It's more of like, oh, if he falls, I'll take him.

But if not, I'm not going to reach up for this type of prospect.

Yeah.

If you think he can produce your one,

and when I say produce, obviously, that's kind of nebulous.

But I mean, like, we're talking about him

as a French tight end one.

Your one, is that strictly landing spot dependent?

Do you think, like, his talent just can be that?

What do you think?

I don't think he's talented enough early to get out there

and be like, oh, my God, this guy's, you know,

commanding targets early.

Like, but it wouldn't shock me to see him have

like a Harold Fanon type season.

Like, hey, out there, depending on where he goes,

does he have that, is he tied in one, two?

It would be ideal for him to be the number two option

on whatever team he goes to.

Like, and people roll their eyes like, no shit, yeah, I know.

But like, in general, like, with him and like, where he's at,

because there's the snap share that, you know,

does the team worry about blocking or not?

Can he just get those targets in an offense?

Because we've seen guys like this get drafted

to offenses and offense coordinators

that don't know how to use them.

And then they just kind of fumble around for a little while.

So if they look at him and being like,

their number two or number three option,

or hey, they're like, hey, this kid is good enough

that we can get him out there early,

then I do think he can have like a fan in type.

Hey, he showed things, how's the quarterback play look,

how are those things there?

Because he played with a pretty dang quarterback

in Dante Moore, and he definitely should have,

that's where I'm like, man, I wish he would have just

produced a little bit more.

Just because he did play with possibly a number two pick

if he would have came out more.

But I think he could have a okay year.

I would more of like a fan in type year,

instead of like the breakouts that we see

with like, some of these guys,

I love Lynn or like, late in the year,

or Bowers and those type of guys.

Yeah, I do think he's gonna get on the field early and often

because like I said, he's not a liability as run blocker,

which is basically like all we're asking for right away.

Yeah.

Just don't be a liability.

So you can be out there in all situations.

So I do think he's gonna get out there,

which is not sure what the target earning ability

is gonna be right away, just like regardless of offense.

So I'm with you.

And he's young, he's 20, like, and that's the thing

in Oregon's offense.

I don't know how much that scheme really translates

to like you mentioned, like how do you get open?

Right now he's winning on athleticism

at the college level.

I'm not gonna fly at the next level.

So he's got some stuff he's gonna have to learn how to do, right?

So I think to your point, the target share

and does he earn those snap shares

and those type of things as he's going,

I think that's the biggest indicator

for what the kind of season is gonna have.

Yeah.

All right.

Tied in to Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt.

Came in a little bit heavier than I think

than people were expecting measured in 6.4, but 239,

he's thought, you know, is he 230?

You know, we'll see.

Came in at 239, former QB,

now playing tight end.

Incredible athlete also blew up the combine,

set some records himself,

not quite as fast in the 40,

but like all the burst stuff

and just incredible, incredible athlete from Eli Stowers.

Now, his production was actually pretty legit.

Career 2.34 yards per out run.

At least 2.43 each of his last two seasons,

1.51 yards per team pass attempt.

Now, he's an actual liability is a block.

Yeah.

He played 21% of snaps in line,

but like, you can get away with that in college with him,

but that's not gonna happen in the NFL.

This is a slot receiver.

It's a big slot receiver.

Debateably, he should just lose a little weight

and just be a big wide receiver, you know.

He's projected to go in the second round.

We'll see how far up he rises

after this performance of the combine.

I'm really intrigued by Stowers

because the production profile is real.

The athleticism is real, but what is he in the NFL?

This is one for sure where it's like,

does the offensive coordinator know what to do with this player?

Because the traits are there.

They just need to be explored, I guess, and properly.

What do you think?

He's been the hardest one.

I've not been on the Stowers train at all.

Like, last couple of years,

people have liked him in my space

in terms of college, fantasy and all of that.

And he's definitely done enough there.

The inline blocking is a huge red flag to me.

Like you said, he had to put some weight on.

Like he ate some twinkies and stuff

because there is no way this kid was 2.30.

Like, there is no way.

Like, absolutely not.

Like, he definitely put it,

but it didn't really hurt him in the 40,

which tells me something like,

hey, he didn't necessarily hurt himself there.

So he is definitely athleticism.

Check that box, 100%.

I just get super worried about tweeners

like at this position.

Like, we've seen tweeners just not worked out.

Like, and we've seen these guys

that have been on that position where he's, it's not.

He's a receiving tide in.

He doesn't really, and when you watch him,

like, I think he lacks a little mass too.

Like, and I know like he said, put it on weight,

but it wasn't, what's some play strength mass?

Like, and I worry about that too,

like being a difference maker.

Like, can he really do that?

I guess to me, and this is a cop out,

and everybody's gonna say it's cop out.

But like his, of all the tight ends in this group,

stowers is really a dependent draft where you go.

Where is he gonna go?

And I see, and the one thing that gets me intrigued,

and I hate it because that's just, the Broncos.

I see the Broncos, he's getting mocked at Broncos,

like at the end of the first round, a bunch.

And then you hear the Joker roll and Peyton's offense.

We hear it all, like, we've been waiting, right?

We've been waiting forever for that.

And like, that would suck me back in,

because I'm an idiot.

That's just how it goes.

Like, I'm like, oh man, he's gonna get that roll that he,

he's gonna, Peyton's gonna finally have his guy.

I think that would be an awesome, awesome roll for him, right?

And I think that's a big one.

The other thing in his profile, like, you know,

when you're going through kind of just the numbers,

and these are all subjective, he does have a lot of,

he does have some drops.

Like, he definitely has like, he had four or five this year,

they were pretty bad when he was washing the games.

He had a couple against Alabama in a game

they really needed to win.

And those were bad drops too.

So like, I think a combination of things

makes me a little concerned.

He's not my two or one.

So I'm probably a little bit down on stowers

and some people, but those are the things that make me.

But like I said, he gets that freaking roll.

And I'm like, oh, hey, yeah, you got drafted in a perfect spot.

I'm back in on you a little bit.

But I'm not definitely reaching for him in rookie drafts.

He is my tie-down too.

And it's really just, I am buying into

that this is kind of a special athlete who finds a way.

As a former QB, like, not surprised, you can't block yet.

And I think he still has room to grow there.

I'm all these people, all these players have room to grow.

But like I said, he needs to go to a place

where they know how to use him.

And know how to use him properly.

And I'm fully recognizing that with my ranking,

just because of how he's able to produce in college

with the athletic profile he has,

that is, I think he's still learning the position.

I realized like the ceiling that he has.

But he may be the player with the biggest range of outcomes

in this tight end class.

Yeah.

And I'm willing to recognize that, you know?

Yeah, I mean, and to give him credit,

to give you credit too in terms of like,

okay, why was he used the way he was?

I mean, at Vanderbilt, they didn't have any weapons.

They had to use him as a receiver the way he did it.

So he didn't learn how to do probably

in the nuances of blocking in line.

They just didn't have him do that, right?

Like they had Diego Pavia running back.

They were this head cut off,

just running, you know, doing what he was doing.

And oh, oh, there's towers.

I'm gonna throw it up to him.

Like that was their offense.

And it worked out, they won 10 games.

And he's a big part of that.

So like, it doesn't mean that he can't do it.

I just get so nervous about like tweener guys

like playing that position.

And who do they get drafted by, right?

Like if they get drafted by some guys that are like,

oh, you're in line, this is what you're gonna do.

Like I saw the Ravens.

And I'm like, I would not love that spot

depending on what they kind of do with their Titans spy.

But I did see like the Eagles.

And if they move on from Dallas, Goddard looks like

they could be doing, man, okay, I could see him

in that offense.

And we've seen Goddard kind of do that.

Like so those are the things to me.

Like he could easily be my Titans you have to draft

just because of, oh, I like the spot.

And I think that they have a role for him.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

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Yeah, a couple of years ago,

we went independent over at the Debris Royale.

We kind of focus on that full time.

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Very cool.

All right, next item, Max Claire from Ohio State,

finished his career there just one year in Ohio State,

64, 246 in his career, 1.74 yards per out run.

But in 2024 with Purdue,

that was 2.22 kind of showing his production ability,

1.1 yards per team pass attempt for his career.

Now this is a two way tight end.

I would say more so in these first two times.

We talked about played 43.2% of the snaps in line,

47% out in the slot.

He's expected to be drafted in the third round.

Now we did not get testing from Max Claire,

but he's expected to be a good athlete.

And I like Claire mostly because he's like actually ready

to block in the NFL a little bit.

You know, he can get on the field

regardless of what team drafts him,

especially in this new era of football.

As you aforementioned, you know, 12,

a lot of 12 tight ends that's going on right now.

How do you feel about Claire?

Yeah, you know, this is an interesting one.

So he's my two.

So full disclosure right now,

I've liked Max Claire for a while,

even though he went to Ohio State,

but we won't count that as him.

I think so there's tale of two kind of tight ends with this guy.

So if you don't really kind of know,

at Purdue, he was only Purdue.

Last year, Purdue was really bad.

Two years ago, excuse me, in 2024,

and he was everything for them.

So when you look at all his numbers, you're like,

man, he really developed as a tight end

from a receiving standpoint, 85.6 PFF receiving grade,

inline outline, in the slot, 46% of the time.

So they really used him in different ways.

And then he goes to Ohio State.

And that's to me sucks because if anybody knows

anything about Ohio State Titans, they just don't produce.

Like that system just does not produce them.

However, he learned how to pass block and rub block.

Like he did a lot of good things there.

They do a great job of developing their guys on inline.

So I was like, you know what, he's going to learn that.

And that's really what you saw.

I mean, he was a phenomenal run blocking tied in.

71.6 PFF grade, like really good there.

From a receiving standpoint, he had some games

that were okay that you really saw.

When the guys were injured, when Carl T. Jeremiah Smith

were injured, he kind of showed out, had some targets.

He still had 55 targets, which you like to see there.

I really like him because I do think he is very

an athletic guy.

We didn't see the testing there,

but I do think he can man target volume.

I think he's going to have that.

And I think he has very, very good routes.

Like of these guys, I think he's the most polish

because he's had to do it for so long.

And then he learned kind of the other side,

the inline side too.

And that was really good there.

Underrated run after catch guy.

I think he can do that really well.

He did that really well Purdue.

So those are a lot of things I like about him.

I think the only thing that you will see sometimes with him

is that his hands can be kind of inconsistent.

There's times on tape, or even when you're watching the games

that you see the drops, or you see kind of like the fumbles

with the ball, little things like that.

He got better this year, only had two drops,

but had five the previous year.

But that's when he had the most targets too.

So you have to kind of keep in mind.

On that one of those guys, it like says drops or everything.

But with tight ends, with the, you know,

you don't get a lot of opportunities

at the tight end position.

So if you miss a couple, if you got to get that coaching

staff on your side there.

But I think he's one of the best functional

just tight ends of this group.

I'm really excited to see where he ends up in like rookie

drafts, like what does ADP looks like?

Because I'm very interested in Claire for the reason I said

before that, I think like regardless of the team the drafts,

and I think get on the field early,

because he's developed as a blocker,

more so than a lot of these other tight ends.

I fear that I'm not alone in that,

and that I will not get a good price there,

because it's not like Max Claire is a secret to anybody.

You know, like people were aware of him before he got to

Ohio State.

So hopefully the battle, how state you're bad,

Ohio State you're, I say while he competes with Jeremiah

Smith and Cardinal Tate, you know, for targets,

hopefully that brings him down a little bit for me.

So I can like look at him, you know,

like third round of rookie drafts,

I would be very interested.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, if you can get him that badly, definitely.

I think it's going to be interesting is draft capital,

because I like he could go in a second round, I think,

I think of it.

A lot of it's going to be his pro day, how he does there.

The other thing I will say that I actually,

I don't really necessarily agree with some of the like

stuff I see out there.

I think he does a great job of release versus press,

especially against smaller corners.

And I think he does a great job of getting shipped

and getting back into his routes when he's on the line

from linebackers, like little things like that,

where he could be that zone buster.

He gets in and out of his routes.

He could be a consistent threat for them.

I know it's not a great comp,

but Pat Fryermuth comes in mind a little bit

with his ability, like Fryermuth has been underrated

his career and unfortunately,

he just kind of got stuck on.

Three Fryermuth, I'm tired of this.

He's just, I'm telling him, man, it's just frustrated.

Like I watched him because like,

there he is a little fryermuth to his game

where not overly athletic,

but is athletic enough to kind of do everything

that's needed on the field.

And if he can go to a system that gets him the ball,

I think that he can be a very solid guy.

Now is he a top five perennial Titan?

No, I don't think so.

But he can be a very, very consistent Titan one for you

where he can get some touchdowns.

And then you're talking about just like,

hey, I could plug him in my lineup

and he's going to be consistent.

And if you compare that to like a late second

or early third rookie pick, you'd be excited with that.

For sure.

All right, fourth titan of the day,

Michael Trigg from Baylor, 64240,

but that wingspan is that of like a guy who's 6'8",

just absurd arms from Michael Trigg.

What you see on film,

because the dude snatches the ball there,

he's got a lot of academic catches too.

For his career, 1.87 yards per out run in 2025,

he jumped that up to 2.18,

career in 0.97 yards per team pass attempt.

Another player probably not playing too much as a blocker,

just 26.9% of his snaps were in line,

66.9% in the slot.

Projected to be drafted, third, fourth round, we'll see.

Also another player where good athletes,

but he's not the type of athlete

that we got at the top of this titan group

with Eli Starras and Kenan Sedeek.

They were close to that, but he is a good athlete

for his size especially.

How are we feeling about Trigg?

It's so funny, because so I've loved,

I've been to Michael Trigg stand since he was at USC.

He played with Jackson Dart,

they transferred Ole Miss,

and all they could do is in my discord,

make fun of me,

because I've always said Trigg is really good,

and then finally, it's been a joke,

because this year he finally broke out,

because I wrote an article like,

could break out,

and he always always makes fun of me.

Now, who's laughing now?

No, but seriously, the thing with Trigg,

it's like Moneyball, you know where they have that?

Here's Michael Trigg, he's an elite athlete,

can play in line, he can go in the slot,

he can do all these things,

the one problem is he can't catch,

and there is he cannot catch by it.

I don't know what it is,

but when you watch him,

he has so many damn drops,

he had seven drops his last year,

and in big moments,

like huge games,

I remember the first couple games of the season,

I think it was against Auburn,

he had a breakout,

he had 99 yards and seven,

catches 16 targets that game,

but he would have had like 200 yards,

but he dropped like three balls that were like,

right in the money from Sawyer Robinson,

and it just kind of followed him,

like it's one of those things where it's like,

he is super athletic,

he is not gonna play,

he's not in line at all,

and Michael Trigg did not do that,

that is not something that's gonna happen with him,

and he's just physically gifted,

he kind of reminds me of Kyle Pits in a way,

like you just,

hey, this guy is just physically different,

he just freaking can't catch the ball sometimes,

and that is one of the most frustrating things

when you're watching him,

like it's just every drop I got pinged in my discord,

because they would just make fun of me,

because I'm like,

yeah, I know he's dropping the ball,

like if he can fix that,

like because of his red zone ability,

like he has true red zone threat,

like get up, score touchdowns,

mismatches all over the field,

if he can fix the drops,

he could be a real weapon,

and like,

and don't get me wrong,

I'm drafting his dude in the fourth threat,

if I can get him in the fourth round,

I'm gonna take some shots on him,

just based on my love for him,

but there are some really big red flags in his profile,

and I do know,

like I've seen a couple really like smart guys talk about,

he can be a little lazy at the top of his routes,

he can be a little lazy at like certain areas,

and that's definitely pops up on his tape too,

but man, when he's focused,

he is one of the best athletes on the field.

Yeah, he's got one of like the better

and one mixed tapes of the group,

because of some of these crazy catches you makes,

but you're right, like just inconsistencies initial.

You know, I've kind of been hands off with Trigg,

just because like he doesn't stand out

once we get to this point amongst the Titans for me,

enough at being this like pure past catching Titan,

to make me like him more than anyone else

in this in this game of groups.

So I've kind of, you know, I don't dislike him,

I don't like him very much,

you know, it's just kind of like,

we'll see where he falls,

and I'll decide if I like that price,

but right now I'm just kind of just waiting to see him

with Trigg.

All right, fifth tight end.

Justin Jolly, Justin Jolly, I've heard both.

I guess you can go with whatever you want with Jolly.

NC State, six, three and a half, 241,

career 1.78 yards per out run,

at least 1.75 every season,

and if you did the math there with that average,

that means basically he was just always doing that every year,

which I mean, it was a good mark to hit.

1.35 yards for team pass attempt.

He's kind of done everything in college, you know,

and if I'm not mistaken Kevin,

you can correct me on this,

but he came to college as a wide receiver, right?

Yeah, and then kind of built into a tight end.

Yeah, he gained a bunch of weight.

And he was like 225, I think,

and when he came out of high school.

Yeah, so, you know, as a freshman,

he actually played 21% of his snaps out loud,

but his first career, 52.7% in slot,

36.3% snaps in line,

more than some of these other tight ends,

projected to be drafted in third or fourth round,

because he, like, has that wide receiver background,

I think he's interesting, you know,

because he can actually run routes,

and just evidence by the fact that he's been able

to play out wide at times.

He's really interesting to me because of that.

And I kind of prefer him to trick for that reason.

What do you think?

No, you're right.

Like, when I go through the Trigs and I go through him,

if I'm picking between the two,

I would probably say, like,

Jolly is more consistent and probably gonna have a higher floor.

Like, I think Trig has a higher ceiling,

like if he hits like his ultimate potential,

but we've been talking about Trig's ceiling for five,

I have, because I'm a degenerate for five years.

Like, oh my God, if he hits this,

Jolly is just that guy, super consistent where he's at,

was really good at UConn for the two years that he was there.

And then, like you said,

he kind of came in over and as a tight end,

81.6 receiving grade was really good this year,

and just consistent, man.

Like, when you watch his tape there, like, versatile,

and I do think that he did get a little bit more inline

this year kind of like we mentioned,

like, I love that about him, like, they did put him there.

8.7.6, which you really like too.

Like, and on the inverse of what Trig is,

you only have one drop all year.

Like, and that is one of those things that you notice about him,

like, and has got improved every season.

Once he kind of got comfortable in that tight end role,

I know some people have kind of called him,

like a mismatch, F tight end,

and kind of gets moved around a little bit,

can maybe play a little fullback,

which isn't necessarily like the greatest thing

for fantasy that we've seen.

But I think from just a past catching guy,

he definitely has that ability.

I think he can win in a lot of different ways.

He's a basketball background type guy too,

receiving background.

And whenever I hear receiving background,

I get a little excited just like you mentioned.

Like, has that nuance of a route runner?

Has that nuance of hand fighting?

Knows kind of when to look for the football.

A lot of things that tight ends kind of have to learn

at the next level, he doesn't really need to do that.

He already kind of knows how to do that.

It's just to undersize probably six, three-ish and a half,

like in that range.

Okay, how are they going to use him there?

A little not really traditional tight end.

So you're probably going to have to have a role for him,

but I like him.

I think he's a safer pick than Trigg is.

I was surprised that he didn't do testing enough

because he came in lighter than he was listed in college.

He was listed like 251.

He comes at 241.

When I see that, when it comes to weight specifically

with a lot of these players to me,

it's like, oh, he's trying to run faster.

When it's hours, it's like, oh, he's trying to look bigger.

But so I'm surprised we didn't get testing.

He's expected to be a good athlete.

I mean, all these guys in the top need to be good athletes

otherwise, or not going to be top prospects.

But I'd be really surprised.

Maybe we'll see at the pro day.

I'm really interested to see what his testing is actually like.

Yeah, he did.

I know that when I was looking it up,

because I was really pissed he didn't do testing,

because I'm like, come on, guy.

What am I supposed to write about?

Like, come on, Jolly, you need to do that.

But when I did see the tape and when they talked about it,

he was pretty elated in the gauntlet.

I know he did really well there.

All the pass catching stuff that he did,

like the scouts were talking about him there.

Like, hey, he definitely did well in the spots that he was in.

So, okay, let's see how the pro day goes.

And like, I know that the 40 matters are tied in.

I know you're going to have the truth

that's out there and talk about it.

But if he can run under at four or five-ish under,

I'm more in on Jolly that way,

because from a receiving standpoint, he looked really fluid.

He looked really good in the drills that he did do.

So we'll see kind of what the pro day looks like

and see how they cook the books for him there,

which, you know, what ways the win going?

I'm going to be running it with the win,

those type of things.

But overall, like, he's just a solid guy.

Now, I think draft capital is going to matter.

Like, where does he kind of go?

Where does he fall there?

But if he can sneak into the third or fourth round,

probably where he's going to be is the fourth-ish round there.

I'm in, I think that he's going to go late.

I don't think a lot of people are talking about him.

Yeah, I'm really interested in him.

Another one where, you know,

we get to the third round of rookie drafts.

And we looking for him more often than that.

Mm-hmm.

Because, you know, when you were talking about at the beginning

of the show, I think people are used to taking running backs

in that spot, you know.

And I don't know if there's that many where you're really,

like, going to draft some running backs in that spot

because they're going to get drafted early, right?

People are going to reach for this running backs two to five

really early because they're probably

going to need them on their team.

And they should be trading those picks anyway for veterans,

but that's besides the point.

Like, if they're going to reach for some of these running

backs that are rookies early,

I mean, you're looking at some pretty,

like, probably day three running backs already late second

round, right?

And so you're looking at it like,

what makes the most sense here?

Because we have historically not seen those guys after one

year, even if they do produce, they have not looked great.

I'll take a tie it in like this, like Justin Jolly

and have at least have a higher floor and an asset

where I can move more.

Like, I do think there is something about drafting assets

that are going to at least have a baseline value

that you can move more and have like that got it can,

you can probably put in a trade that can tear up for a guy

or something like that.

Like, there's more avenues or I used to do a dynasty show

with Leo Pasego.

He's a very one of the goats of dynasty.

And we used to always talk about off ramps.

And he used to always mention that.

I got him seared into my brain.

And so he'd always like, you want off ramps for guys

that you draft or assets that you draft.

I feel like in this particular class,

a guy like Jolly gives you more off ramps than a running

back on day three.

So you're going to see some opportunities to draft some

of these guys that gives you more off ramps

to possibly get off of them.

It's a really, really interesting point

and really interesting dynamic that we could see

in rookie drafts because of the running back class.

And is it going to force people to feel

like they need to draft the running back back?

Actually do like at the top of the draft.

So they get the one that they think is actually good.

Or does you get, do you get rookie drafts

where people are just letting them fall

because everyone views them that they all suck, you know?

And how does that affect things?

And I think you're right that if people are drafting

the running backs, they think are actually good

at the top of drafts.

And we get to the third round.

There's not really going to be any that are exciting.

And that's where those tight ends are going to be the ones

they go to.

Yeah.

All right, we're going to finish up with some sleepers.

I'm going first and mine is Sam Roush.

We've been talking about some smaller tight ends.

This guy is not small.

66, 267.

Also a fantastic athlete for his size.

I believe he was considered, you know,

RAS and fell that comms athleticism score.

However you want to do it was like the third best

tight end this year in terms of athletic testing.

And he's a true two way tight end.

And when we get to these later tight ends,

that's really interesting to me,

because that can help them get on the field early.

And not saying this is the same type of player,

but I look at it kind of like what AJ Barner has done

where he got into NFL true two way tight end,

but got on the field because he can block.

And then next thing, you know,

he's in on play action.

You're the goal line and he's catching touchdowns

and he's holding back Elijah Royo,

who's the second round picked tight end, you know,

because he could play in all facets of the game.

And that's why I look at Sam Rausch from Stanford.

Yeah, super just solid guy like when you watch him play,

like Stanford had a bad offense when he was there.

But like he really can just be a solid starter.

I love the Barner comp in terms of what he possibly could be to.

He got hurt last year,

so that's why the production was like kind of,

he was kind of in and out of the injuries

everything there.

But like I think the one word that I just get from scouts

when I was looking it up and just listening to like

what people think about him is just,

they use the word smart because he is.

Like he's a very smart football player.

And I love that with these late round guys

because they'll just stay on a team, right?

Like they're just going to stay there because they're smart.

They can know the offense, they know their assignments.

And he's an athlete.

Like you mentioned, like if you're going to take a sleeper

tied in, you want to go out to the athletes.

You want to go out to the guys that are going to be out there

and at least perform in the Rascore

and then you find those guys.

But it's a great pick.

Like you know, when you're looking at just what he could accomplish.

And if you can just stick around like

and you can just kind of find his role

and find that team that kind of believes in him,

there's always an opportunity for guys like that.

So yeah, that's a great pick.

And he was good at Stanford.

Just if you don't watch coach football,

Stanford's been down for the last four or five years.

So like that's part of the problem too.

Yeah, are you Kevin?

Who is with yours?

Yeah, I went with, I just like this kid.

I've liked it for a long time.

I'm also a Mountain West guy out here in California

because I lived by Fresno State.

But I went with John Michael Gillenberg, Wyoming tied in.

One of those guys that, you know, he's a four-year starter

at Wyoming didn't have a great year

or was banged up this year.

But last year, probably his best season.

31 receptions, 437 yards, three touchdowns.

Nothing really to be like, oh my God, about.

But 84.9 receiving grade.

When you're looking at kind of, he's an inline guy.

He tested pretty well at the cost, 662.50.

46, oh, 40 yard dash.

What you like to see at a guy that size.

35 verticals, okay, broad jump was pretty good.

But just like a very just solid athletic guy,

like just explosive traits.

Really guy.

Kind of, I like him because he can line up in line and out.

But I do think he's more of an inline,

which we don't really talk about that much with fantasy.

But I do think a team is gonna look at him being like,

hey, can be an inline guy.

But he's also athletic enough to really attack the seams.

So if they have that vertical passing offense,

or if he finds himself on an offense

they're gonna really use and mismatch

and do all the things that you like to see from him,

I love the tight end.

I like him out of there.

We've seen Mountain West tight ends do really well.

Tramik Bride, he doesn't have the same production profile.

He did, why was that call out of state?

But from an upside swing, like on athletic projection

and what he could be, I'm pretty, I like him a lot.

Just banged up, had some context injuries there.

Why only and stuff like that, some context issues.

But overall, just a solid player.

Yeah, I think anyone out there

who's learning the same for the first time

and you look at his production and say like,

well, this production doesn't look that exciting.

I mean, go look at why you only production as a team too.

There is like a share wise of the offense.

It's not bad, you know?

But the offense just wasn't producing all that much.

But it's your point.

He's a guy with traits, right?

And going this late, you bet on traits like he has.

He has size, he has athleticism,

he has some ability out there.

So I think that's what you're looking for.

Yeah, I mean, and we have like a die hard, it's funny.

We have a die hard Wyoming fan in my discord.

So he talks about him a lot.

Like he always mentions like, hey, he could be there.

And like, yeah, if you're talking about Stanford,

imagine like, I think Wyoming had one of the worst

passing offense in college football the last two years.

So when you think of like, when you think of what they're able

to do outside of like Army and Navy

who runs the triple option,

Wyoming was like one thirty-fifth or something like that.

So what he could be is just outside just a guy that's like,

hey, they could really use him in a lot of different ways.

And just a guy that just kind of finds a role.

It's like, if you can find a role,

I think he has an opportunity.

So be able to look at where he goes.

Like he is definitely probably around for free agent pickup

after the draft.

Like some guys don't really know anything about him.

But if you're like a too tight in league or a tight in premium league,

there are worst start throws to throw than this kid.

Yeah.

Well, Kevin, this was a pleasure.

I appreciate you coming on with me.

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