Pressure on Pete Hegseth

0:00Happening now, pressure on Pete Heggseth, two Republicans calling on the Defense Secretary's Alistin one, saying he's inept for the job. Here with the president, Asain, this morning. Plus, edge of mistrial, we are live at the Lindsey Clancy trial. What happens if the jury is once again locked today? Also, only on CNN, our teams on the ground and with the Lebanese Army. As Israel withdraws from the region, our Jeremy Diamond with exclusive access. And flooding emergency, parts of Texas getting a month's worth of rain in just a few hours. Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer with Pamela Brown and you're in the situation room. Happening now, president Trump is facing growing calls to fire his defense secretary, Pete Heggseth.

1:02It follows the loss of top military leadership, including the US Army Secretary Dan Driscoll. He resigned this week after months of reported friction with Heggseth. Even a Republican who cast a crucial vote to confirm Heggseth says it's time for him to go. North Carolina Congressman Tom Tillis posted it on quoting him now, I have never witnessed more inept management of the brave men and women who serve our country end quote. And I urge the president to find a new leader at the Pentagon who will retain and empower our military talent rather than diminish it end quote again. The backlash also comes as multiple sources are now telling CNN they believe Heggseth is damaging the Army's efforts to adopt to the modern battlefield as he focuses instead on what are designed as culture wars. Another Republican congressman, a retired US Air Force Brigadier General worries about the loss of key military leaders under Heggseth. Listen. I hate to tell the president who he should hire

2:03and fire. I don't know if it's really my role, but I would say this. He would not be a my team. I think he has not been a very good leader in many ways. I felt like he was trouble from the beginning. CNN's Elena Treen is over at the White House for us. Elena, what are you hearing from administration officials? Yeah, well, Flock. I think Secretary of Defense, Heggseth has long been a controversial figure to lead the Pentagon. But what's different about this moment is you are hearing these growing criticisms from Republican lawmakers. Many of them raising major concerns over the turnover of senior staff within the military and throughout the Pentagon, the lack of clear planning for ending the war between the U.S. and Iran. And then also, of course, they haven't really been the Pentagon briefing a lot of Democrats on some of the key issues when it comes to Iran. And that's raised concerns about a spending fight that is soon to come to Capitol Hill. There's a lot of tensions between, as I mentioned, Heggseth and some of these lawmakers. And it's expected to come to a head in the fall when the administration makes a push

3:08for more than $70 billion in emergency national security funding to continue the war. And there are questions about whether or not they can keep up the intensity at this pace of the war if they do not get that funding. And I think part of the reason you're seeing a lot of the attention on Heggseth right now is because it's no secret that he has clashed privately with a lot of top generals and different officials. You know, you had the resignation of the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, just a couple days ago. They have long had a lot of tensions between them disagreeing on certain things. Driscoll actually told the president and others that he was concerned about military readiness when he submitted his resignation. A couple months ago, we saw the departure of John Feele and the Secretary of the Navy, someone who also had a lot of tension with Heggseth. We've also saw a number of well-respected senior military officials, people like General Randy George, the former Army Chief of Staff and General Christopher Donahue, the top Army commander in Europe under Heggseth's tenure. But to get to your question, Wolf, about how is the president thinking about this, he's continued

4:11to say that he has confidence in Heggseth and that he believes he is handling the war while I want you to listen to what he said just yesterday. You did a good job last night in Iran by the way, you knocked the hell out of him. Very good. We're winning that one very big by the way in case you haven't noticed. So look as you heard there, the president having kind words to say about Heggseth every time he talks about him in public, he does praise his secretary of defense. But this is really a major concern, I think, for people on the other end of Capitol Hill and it could, like I said, come to a head over this upcoming spending fight. So keep a close eye on that. And of course, as well, with the midterm elections just two months away, we often see turnover after that as well. So a lot to watch for here as it comes to the relationship that Heggseth has with some of these Republican lawmakers, Wolf. We'll be watching together with you, Alaina Treen at the White House. Thank you very, very much, Pamela. All right, well, happening now, a billionaire associate of sex traffic, her jeffery, Epstein won't appear at the Sounders closed or deposition on Capitol Hill.

5:15And as instead suing the panel, Leon Black is trying to block this panel from obtaining his non-disclosure agreements and testimony. The House Oversight Committee has issued two subpoenas to Leon Black and its Epstein investigation after the committee chair said he refused to answer the panel's questions. So CNN, senior reporter Annie Grayer is on Capitol Hill following all of this. How is the committee responding to this, Annie? Well, this is a major escalation that's playing out in real time in the room behind me is where Leon Black was supposed to be appearing for his opposition today, but he is not going to be here and said he is suing the committee in federal court and refusing to appear at first that position. And in his lawsuit, Black argues that the subpoenas against him are invalid and that the documents that the committee wants, specifically these non-disclosure agreements that Black has entered into are not relevant to the committee's investigation. He says that Epstein had nothing to do with them and just because the committee might want them, he doesn't feel that the committee has made enough of a compelling case in order to get them. He also argued that these subpoenas are overly

6:21broad and that they would be real privacy concerns if he were to turn over these documents. But now the committee has a decision to make. Now that Black has defied his subpoena and not showed up for his scheduled opposition this morning, lawmakers have decided if they are going to move forward with holding him in contempt of Congress for defying his subpoena. Democrats are quick to say that that is the move that the committee should take, but of course Republicans are in charge and they have yet to make that play call. We're waiting to hear from House Oversight Chair James Comer about what he thinks about all this, but the committee has really wanted to hear from Leon Black. He has long been an associate with ties to Jeffrey Epstein, but the Department of Justice released of the Epstein files really shed new light on the ties between those men. It's found that from 2012 to 2017, Black made payments to Epstein around $158 million. The committee wants to learn more about what those payments are all about. And so we'll see how the committee decides to handle this in their ongoing investigation into Epstein. Of course, Black did appear

7:25voluntarily back in June, but that wrapped quickly when he refused to answer questions. And that's where we got to today. This major escalation. All right, Annie Grayer, thanks for bringing us the latest there from Capitol Hill. Wolf. And still ahead, suspending automated license plate reading cameras. Florida taking them off public roadways. We're going to speak to one of the sheriffs in the sunshine state who's following suit. And happening now, the jury in the Lindsey trial is now on day six of deliberations. Our gene cassaris is right outside court. Gene, they started deliberating one week ago today. They continue to deliberate this morning, but anything can happen at any moment. We'll be right back. . Happening now, jurors in the Lindsey Clancy murder trial are back for the sixth day of deliberations. The panel has already spent 30 hours considering Clancy's criminal liability

8:28and the death of her three young children. Clancy's defense argues she was experiencing postpartum psychosis at the time of the killings. Jurors have already sent two notes to the judge indicating their deadlocked both times. The judge instructed them to keep trying for consensus. But the impasse is raising questions about what happens next in the event. There is a mistrial. Here's what Clancy's defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, said this week. They could want it to continue or they want to start. Some people say a second trial, we favor the prosecution. What do you think about that? All right, let's go live now to see it in correspondent Jean Cassaris who's reporting from Plymouth, Massachusetts, where the trial took place. Jean, what happens if there is ultimately a

9:28mistrial here? Well, first of all, a mistrial, it's all over. The trial is over. Everyone goes home and a mistrial is not a verdict, right? But in the courtroom, if the judge orders that this is now a mistrial, the prosecution is not going to want Lindsey Clancy to be free because she's a free woman. The trial is over. She was not convicted. So the prosecution I expect would stand up to make sure that she remains in custody on no bail. And remember, this is a triple homicide. They are not going to want to allow anything but that. And the prosecution may say your honor. Our intent is to retry this case because that would allow her to have to stay in custody along with no bail. It will be the district attorney of Plymouth County. And I'm sure in consultation with the prosecutors of what they do. But I think that's what we will see in court if this ultimately comes to that mistrial. You've covered so many trials over your years as a

10:33journalist. Gina, I'm just wondering what is the likelihood that the jury will reach a consensus at this point after going to the judge twice saying that it's deadlocked? Oh boy, what a question, right? I mean, you would tend to think no that they could not reach a consensus. However, it has been done could be done. You know, this morning when they walked in, our producer said that every Jewer was just looking at the ground. That's what they were doing. Looking at their feet as they walked in, one male Jewer was just rubbing his beard. A female Jewer was just rocking back and forth on her feet as they were standing there as the Jewers came in. But they did say good morning to the judge when he said good morning to them. But obviously the emotional toll that this is taken on them because think about it. We could go today. They started deliberating and here they still are deliberating. And they are not sending a note so far. They are still trying. You just, yeah, you do have to think about the emotional toll. I mean, at the center of this

11:33is three dead kids. And what they're considering is whether she is criminally liable. If they come back, they say they're deadlocked again. And the decision is made that another trial would take place. Do you think there would have to be a jurisdiction change of where it would be held? Jean? Well, it's an excellent point because you've got a saturated jury pool right here. I mean, everybody is talking about this case. Everyone knows the evidence in this case. They're just not randomly. Oh, yeah, I know that case. They'll tell you all about it. I mean, they've got it down. So at least there has to be a cooling off period, I would think, before they would go for round two. Now, one side or the other could ask for a venue change. But the judge is going to say in the commonwealth, everyone has heard of this case. Everyone knows this case. So a venue change would not produce any benefit to anyone. But I don't see it starting right away.

12:34And just remind us, Jean, if you would, about the jury and what we know. Obviously, their names and other parts of their identity are confidential. But we do know a little bit. We know there are nine women and three men. We know the four person is a woman. And as far as their occupations and things about them, that's that really has been kept private. So we do not know any more than that. But I can tell you from being in that courtroom, they're focused. They're so serious. They were dressed casually every day, but very nice casual. One man wore a tie every day when he came in with his vest and shirt. So, and obviously, their their demonstrave actions in the last week have shown that the dedication to this case is enduring. And there this has sparked so much impassion, so many impassion conversations, right? Those who think she is guilty, those who say that she is the victim of a failed system. What has it been like outside the courtroom? Have the

13:39lines been going up? Been going down? Well, the supporters are here. And you know, it's rained a couple of days. Today's a very rainy day. And so the supporters will not be as as here as much when it's raining, downpouring. They will come, but they're dressed in pink. They're very supportive. And I think no matter what happens, the conversation of postpartum issues is now going to be on the the forefront of conversations with the medical community with with others just to really look at it. You know, Calon was eight months old when this happened and the DSM, which is the Bible of the psychiatric community, that is what they refer to. They say postpartum is within the first four weeks. There are some outside organizations that say it is longer than that, but you know, I think a question that Jury might be looking at is, is it truly postpartum at that point? Because both sides say she had a mental disease or defect. There's no question about that.

14:42No contention on both sides. You can still be mentally ill and no right from wrong, though. So I think the question is also mental illness. Also treatment of that, proper diagnosis of that, because how many times do we see when when local news is talking about a crime that has happened something and he had a history or she had a history of mental illness. So, but they still knew right from wrong conceivably as they allegedly committed whatever crime it was. So I think a lot of conversations are going to come and are coming from this trial. All right, Jenkins Aras. Thank you so much. Wolf. I'm coming up gunfire erupts at a high rise apartment building in Minneapolis, leaving two dead and multiple others injured. See, and as Whitney Wilde is following the story for us. Whitney. She was inside that building and share what law enforcement saw is they confronted a barrage of gunfire. The

15:45happening now, two people are dead and multiple others injured after a shooter opened fire inside a Minneapolis apartment building. Officials say the shooter is also dead. Surveillance video from a nearby diner shows several law enforcement officers responding to the scene. And that was yesterday. In another video, you can hear gunshots ring out. We want to warn our viewers. Some viewers might find this disturbing. One resident who was inside the building described hiding in the elevator after hearing gunfire in the lobby. Let's go live right now to see if then law enforcement correspondent Whitney Wilde. Whitney, what are you learning about the circumstances surrounding this shooting?

16:47Well, if they're continued to be so many questions, but what law enforcement is saying right now is that there was a disturbance at that apartment building earlier that day. And it was, according to law enforcement, having to do with an eviction, they are trying to figure out if that disturbance is related to this incident. If the person involved in that incident was the shooter, that is the open question at this point. Law enforcement is not sharing the identification of the shooter, but did say that person was known to law enforcement. This was a very chaotic scene unfolding around 430 yesterday after the noon right downtown Minneapolis. This is right by the convention center. And as you saw, it elicited an enormous law enforcement presence. Dozens of law enforcement poured into that building while so many more staged around in armor vehicles in their cruisers and with ambulances at the exterior of the building because it was just not clear to what extent the bloodshed was within that building. Law enforcement, when they ran inside, found wounded people

17:50inside that lobby. And then they followed the sound of gunfire up to higher floors. And it was there that they were met with haze that they engaged in this gun battle with the shooter. It is not clear exactly how the shooter died. The theory now is that the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, but that is an open question as well, wolf, and will continue to take investigation. It was an absolutely horrific scene. It was immediately chaotic. As you said, people were running from the hallways. They were looking for anywhere to hide in their apartments as well. What we know now is that those three officers one was shot in the leg. Another was taken into surgery and a third was treated. The officers shot in the leg and the third officer have non-life threatening injuries wolf. So a very chaotic scene, a lot of bloodshed in downtown Minneapolis. And I think, importantly, a lot of heroism on display from the law enforcement there. Whitney Wilde reporting for us. Whitney, thank you very, very much, Pamela. Many apples have been to a lot, right? Coming up struck by lightning and living to tell about it.

18:54What this New York man did right after. Well, new this morning, Gloria Steinem, the American journalist and political activist, who became the face of second wave feminism in the late 1960s and early 1970s, has died at age 92. Steinem was a feminist icon who spent the better part of his century advocating for women's rights in the workplace, the right to abortion and sex education. Steinem died in New York City yesterday, surrounded by some of the many who loved her, according to a statement on social media. And in New York, a man takes a direct hit. You see it right here from a lightning bolt on Staten Island and survives. It was all caught on a neighbor's doorbell camera.

20:00Remarkably, the man was able to get up and he staggered over to a neighbor's house right after getting struck. He says he felt incredible numbness, a strange tingling all over and burning pain, but wasn't seriously injured. He went to church Sunday to thank God and then he bought a lottery ticket. Probably a good thing. And in Thailand, now that the USS Abraham Lincoln and his docked observers have noticed one thing about the warship that's been under scrutiny. Rust, experts say it's expected after the marathon deployment, tackling the rust problem is not something that could have been done at sea, especially during combat operations. When experts tell CNN it could take at least 30 days to remove the rust. Wolf, and happening now, sources tell CNN, the American military, escorted 40 commercial vessels carrying 18 million barrels of oil through the straight-of-our-muse as the US and Iran exchanged a new round of strikes on Tuesday. And that marks a wartime high. Roughly 20 million barrels a day passed through the critical waterway prior to the start of the military conflict more than six

21:05months ago. CNN is also learning US forces hit nearly 60 military targets around the straight while escorted in the ships. Joining us now here in the situation room are CNN Global Affairs commentator Sabrina Singh. She was the deputy Pentagon press secretary during the Biden administration. Thanks for coming in again, Sabrina. What does this new reporting tell you about the overall state of this war now? Well, it certainly shows the sophistication that our Navy can employ when it comes to escorting vessels through the straight-of-our-muse. I mean, you can't discount that that number is significantly high. But what also this tells me is despite all the administration's rhetoric of how this war has been won, how Iran's Navy and Air Force are sitting at the bottom of the ocean, the reality is that if this war was won, we would not need to carry our strike groups in the Middle East. The 82nd Airborne Brigade would not have been extended and we have deployments looking into 2027. And we still wouldn't be conducting strikes in the straight-of-our-muse when the strike was open before the war. So there's a lot that

22:08needs to be done. And while this administration wants to claim a round of success, it just doesn't meet reality. At least not yet. Let's watch what President Trump said yesterday about these latest U.S. strikes, especially earlier this week. They were trying to see the ships because they can't see the ships. We take it out a lot of ships. They can't see it because they have no radar because we blew it up. And we blew up much more than their radar less. He says the U.S. blew up much more than Iran's radar. What do you suspect he actually means? He's probably talking about different command and control centers that are along the straight, radar centers, depots, where the IRGC stores different weapons. I think this administration has made a dent in some of their targets. But Iran still retains massive capabilities. And of course, we saw recent reporting from CNN and others that there were innocent civilians also killed in these strikes. Now, U.S. Central Command is likely launching an investigation into exactly what happened and the strike that happened on Monday that was allegedly at a wedding. But this

23:13is very serious. And I think what this shows is that Iran not only maintains capabilities to keep the strait closed. The strait is not open. Despite the administration and the Navy's best efforts to clear minds, Iran can still strike ships. And we saw two tankers were actually struck on Monday while trying to transit the straight-of-formers. We're showing our viewers some video of that strike on that wedding that killed civilians, including a little kid as well. And the U.S. Central Command says they do not attack civilian targets. But that happened, obviously. President Trump also recently floated the prospect of a rebellion by the Iranian people in one of his social media posts. But he appeared to back away from that yesterday. How likely is regime change at the hands of the Iranian citizens really likely to happen? I think this president was sold on the idea that the Iranian people would take up arms as soon as U.S. military started their strikes on February 28th. And despite intelligence assessments telling him

24:14that that was likely not to happen. And in fact, a more hard-line regime could take over. As you saw, people cannot take up arms against IRGC. They do not have the infrastructure, the weapons, the support to do that. And so the president is frustrated because he thought this was going to be something like Venezuela. We would remove one leader and a more compliable leader would get installed. And that is just not going to happen. The IRGC, to Venezuela, the capabilities are vastly different. And the people just do not have the means to rise up against a government and a military that is so capable, as we saw in December, of quelling protests and are still killing innocent protesters, you know, who they consider innocent protesters in the streets. And there's this lawlessness that the IRGC has been able to instill and to fear in the Iranian people that it's going to take, I mean, it's going to take a new leadership, but that's not going to happen, I think, from the American bombing campaign. The IRGC is Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, which clearly is still very, very powerful

25:17in Iran right now. Sabrina Singh, as usual, thank you very, very much. Pamela. All right, well, happening now, law enforcement agencies and Florida have until the end of the month to remove license plate reading cameras from all of the state roads there. This is after Florida's Department of Transportation revoked all permits due to privacy concerns and reports of police abuse. Flock is among the brands impacted and the company responded to the move saying, quote, rather than banning a critical public safety tool, we support thoughtful legislation and strong privacy, transparency and accountability guardrails that ensure technology is used responsibly while preserving law enforcement's ability to use effective tools to keep people safe. Join us now for more on this is Volusia County Sheriff Michael Chitwood. Hi, Sheriff. Thanks for coming on. So you have said that a lot of the criticism of these cameras has been based on half-truths, outright lies and bad actors. Tell us more about your concerns with this ban. Pamela, thank you so much for having us. You know, really quickly, we can walk

26:19and shoot gum at the same time. This technology get out of the barn way, way, way faster than anybody could get the guardrails off. The road cops, what they did, they deserve to be fired and prosecuted for that. And the administrators of those road cops, what policies and procedures they put in place to get it this way. I've been using tag readers for 17 years and we've never had a problem. I understand fully understand the privacy concerns, fully understand that. But when I say we can walk into gum, I was kind of hoping that our attorney general who I think is a brilliant man would have brought all sides together and hammered out legislation and policies and procedures in training so you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Because of all the crimes that are being solved, you don't hear from the victims who benefit from this technology. You hear all of these stories and all these things that are made up. And some of it is flocks fall. Flocks does these massive dumps for public records requests. Where information that should never be released is going out there. Is it going out to a third party vendor? Is it going to the news

27:20media? Who knows? And their data when it comes to searches. If a deputy leaves the system open because they want to continuously run and they never put a tag in, it refreshes every 30 seconds. So if you're in a 12 hour shift and you're keeping that open so that you get live alerts on these tags that are stolen or there or somebody's wanted or wherever it may be, you're being charged with a search. So at the end of the day, you may, this system may show you can be committed 300 searches when you never type the tagging number in the system. Yeah, tell us more about how your department has used flock and what you would propose if you were able to speak to the leadership in Florida about what guardrails you think should be in place rather than a total ban. Thank you. Thank you for that. We have given our policy over to the Attorney General's Office and shared that with other sheriffs and basically our policy mirrors what is already in place for all the other technology. You have to sign onto the system. You have to put on a case number

28:22and you check off an affidated it pops up when you use any database in state of Florida that says you are using it for investigative purposes only if you violate the policy and the law. You will be terminated, prosecuted and you face a civil fine. And that is the first step is establishing a digital footprint that you can go back and see, hey, you should get, you should get flag within a week if you're running a tag number like these, these, I don't call them clowns. They're not cops clowns that are following their wives or their ex-girlfriend or ex-boyfriend around. You know, that abuse should top up immediately like it would with every other database that we have whether it's drivers license databases here in Florida or criminal justice information systems whatever that may be that technology you have to make sure you're on top of it because humans are going to eventually screw it up and just because you wear bags doesn't mean you're not going to screw it up and that's what need you need that oversight like for us all of our databases are not only overseeing internally by us but they are overseen by the Florida Department of Law

29:23Enforcement. So there's two layers there that will catch should somebody be abusing privileged classified information and that I think would help restore the trust of the community because while I get tons of emails about the bad side of it I'm also getting a lot of emails from my residents saying why are you stopping this you know you caught the fraudster who got a million dollars from my grandparents you caught the person who killed my you know my boyfriend or you know we get all you caught the burglar to clean me out so you get it there's two sides of it but you have to come to the middle and realize that you have to respect everybody's rights and privacy and really it is a concern master violence because we're under it now right everybody everything we do we're being surveilled at the same token you have a piece of technology you can help reduce crime and increase the ability to arrest violent offenders we got to bring those two things together and we need real leadership to do that. So it sounds like things have been successful with block usage in your department but as we know there have been several other cases in other departments where the privileges have been abused and critics say that highlights

30:29the potential for constitutional violations and that basically the government should be tracking where cars go what do you say to those critics? Well I'll go with half of that statement I absolutely agree with the part about your vehicle that's I'm talking from when I point out you have no expectation of privacy in your license plate historically quotes courts have ruled that way and as recently as the spring and north of Virginia when this whole debate about aggregators went to to federal court there the judge there said everything that Northfolk was doing their policy procedure they're training purging of the tags every 30 days there was no evidence of a dragnet there was no evidence of systematic surveillance on citizens and he allowed that program to stand in place there that's that's where we come from with that people somebody arguments I got is get a search warrant for my tag number you don't need a search warrant for your tag number I could drive down the street now and run your tag that's that's how that works it's just a technology is now doing what we can do manually just technology can do so much more

31:30than we can do we can do it manually but I do believe in my heart if everybody sat down and listens to one another you could make this work like we do all other databases whether it's fingerprints DNA drivers license databases all the things from all justice information that we have there's a way to do this some people are never going to like it some people are always going to want more but like I said in the beginning I think we could all walk into you gum together and think that we want violent people in our communities when you have technology they can take those people out build much stronger cases and do what needs to be done to keep us all safe at the same token respecting everybody's civil rights and their and their privacy rights against master balance. All right Sheriff Mike Chitwood thank you so much for coming on to offer your perspective we appreciate it we'll be right back I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta host of the Chasing Life Podcast last week there was this important report that dropped that I think got a lot of attention it's about football and there was this new study

32:32in the British Medical Journal which estimates that of all the NFL players who died between 2016 and 2021 about 878 players at least 25% of them had confirmed CTE that is the disease that is caused by repetitive hits to the brain so CNN's resident NFL veteran Koi Wire he called me we called fellow CNN sports anchor Andy Sholes and we were talking about it I know as a former player anytime I forget my keys if I get a slight headache it pops in my head I'm thinking like man I hope this is just Andy do you forget your keys? Oh dear friends say yes all the time Koi make me feel better all right sorry listen to Chasing Life streaming now revenue get your podcasts happening now warning signs are flashing in the most important global trading market the U.S. bond market interest rates on government bonds are on the rise right now and it's getting even more

33:34expensive for Americans to borrow money we have information you need to know CNN business senior reporter David Goldman explains think of the bond market like an old timey scale on one side you have the price and on the other side you have the yield right now a lot is weighing down the price of treasury bonds think inflation competition from AI spending a huge amount of government debt and the expectation that the federal reserve could raise its rates think about it like this bond investors lend money to the government they want their money back plus interest that's their return on their investment inflation and high fed rates eat into that return over time so they demand a bigger return and that's why bond yields are higher AI spending from big tech companies and the federal government's debt topping 40 trillion dollars both of those are weighing down the

34:36price side of the scale why they're both flooding the market with more bonds or opportunities to invest and competing for the same investors that means the government has to offer a bigger return or a higher yield to attract new lenders the problem for you the yield on the other side of the scale is a benchmark for your mortgage your auto loans when yields are high like they are now that raises your cost of entry into the housing market it boosts your cost of living and it decreases your borrowing power it also can hurt the job market higher yields raise companies borrowing costs that means they have less money to spend on hiring and that could also lead to more layoffs so how did we get here and how do we solve this problem well from 2000 to 2020 we actually have the opposite situation that we're seeing today high bond demand and very low rates historically low

35:38rates from the Fed as well as low rates in the bond market helped stimulate the economy back then for example it helped us get out of the global financial crisis in 2008 and the COVID pandemic in 2020 but the historic spending from Congress that came alongside those low rates during the pandemic they essentially gave the economy a massive sugar rush it helped the economy recover super fast but all of that spending also helped send inflation to a 40 year high think back to 2022 when inflation was above 9% all of that sent fed rates higher and hurt demand for bonds which sent yields higher and mortgage rates went from under 3% to above 7% but the government never stopped spending taxes got cut we went to war with a run oil prices shot higher and inflation is becoming a problem again the fundamental framework of the bond market and interest rates well it's all changed high rates

36:44have become the new normal think 6% mortgage rates in 22% on credit cards all because that mix of inflation and spending well that's raising fears that the problem could spiral out of control into a fiscal crisis one day democrats and republicans both support populist economics right now everyone wants to spend more of the government's money but no one wants to raise taxes it's one of the only things that unites the left and the right the fed wants to get inflation back down to 2% but no one really knows how it plans to do that raising rates is one tool but it has to be matched with responsible spending from the government think making difficult cuts to social services like Medicare and no politicians supports that right now we are nowhere near a fiscal crisis yet keyword is yet but the solutions to this problem well they're hard to come by

37:50a special thanks to a CNN business senior reporter David Goldman for that excellent report well done all right here's what's coming up all new at the top of the hour only on CNN our teams on the ground and with the Lebanese army as israel withdraws from the region our Jeremy diamond with the exclusive access plus a situation room special report a 20 year old Haitian immigrant steps in the highway traffic and is killed his family says he preferred death to the humiliation of wearing the government ankle monitor that's now required for a growing number of Haitian immigrants history all new next hour welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world i'm wolf blitzer with Pamela brown and you're in the situation room we begin this hour with breaking news bring it that's a

38:50that's what Lindsey clancy's defense attorney said just a short time ago about the possibility of yet another trial if this jury can't reach a verdict some people say a second trial we'd favor the prosecution what do you think about that? I agree with you. jurors are back now for their sixth day of deliberations in plimuth massachusetts they've spent roughly 30 hours already discussing the case the panelist has with deciding if clancy is criminally liable for killing her three young children her defense says she was experiencing postpartum psychosis at the time now the jury has already indicated twice that it is at an impasse raising questions about a possible mistrial see it in jinkasaris is at the courthouse in plimuth and dr. camella phillips is an obgyn who will be joining us as well but she and i want to start here with you where do things stand now with the jury the jury continues to deliberate they have not asked a question this morning they have not in any form or fashion

39:56communicated that we know of with the court at all and remember they started deliberating one week ago today and they continue at it with well over 30 hours of deliberation at this point now one thing that just happened in the courtroom doesn't seem significant but Lindsey clancy's father just entered the courtroom he has a newspaper with him he's standing there talking right now to kevin reddington the defense attorney who's in the courtroom they're smiling they're chatting doesn't seem as though anything is happening but as you can see everyone is staying very close because at any minute that all could change and there would be something significant dr. phillips this case has captured the nation it is put a spotlight on the issue of maternal mental health so many people are talking about this in fact Lindsey clancy's attorney says she's receiving letters of support from all around the world i'm curious what you've been hearing from your patients about mental health concerns in light of this trial

40:56yes this trial is really illustrated that we are not doing a good job when it comes to maternal postpartum health and wellness and patients have expressed to me an increased amount of anxiety during this time especially with the pending outcome of this case women feel the need for support they see it in Lindsey and they're really starting to reach out to their circles to engage them with their mental health during this really trying time so these are apparently the letters that the lawyer says have come to Lindsey clancy from all around the world you know while it's good awareness is being raised of course about postpartum mental health do you have concerns about the stigma this case could also create with postpartum mental health issues because it is rare to develop postpartum psychosis even rare to then kill your kids as the defense is arguing that is why she did that yeah so postpartum psychosis is extremely rare we're talking about point one to point two percent

41:58of pregnancies but what is not rare is postpartum depression and if this trial brings to light the need for postpartum mental health services and the need for us to integrate mental health into every aspect of a woman's care not just as an isolated set apart then I am grateful that we're having these conversations the six week postpartum model that we're currently using is very outdated women don't stop needing help when they have a baby and if anything their their mental health needs exponentially increase so I'm glad we're having these conversations so on that note I want to go to Jean to walk us through clancy's mental health history after birth and how it ties the fact that she had an eight month old it's it's a great question uh let's look at the evidence here first of all Patrick clancy testified that after the birth of each one of their children that when it near the time she was supposed to go back to work she would develop this anxiety and she told her

43:02husband you know it's just not normal for a woman to leave her children like this uh with the third child she had that anxiety again that would be Callan and the anxiety morphed into depression according to the evidence and that morphed into going to a psychiatrist and and she really made the choices she went to a lot of different doctors on her own and and as one expert said she was a sophisticated patient because she was a nurse herself and so they started giving her all these medications but she wouldn't take a vast majority of them they were they remained in the bottle but then as time went on one of the nurse practitioners said you know I wonder if this could be bipolar she wrote it in notes she didn't make a diagnosis as a nurse practitioner that that's probably not her role but then ultimately when she got to the mental hospital that she is now they officially made that diagnosis of a bipolar two situation I do not believe at that point when she killed her

44:06children was in the hospital that they correlated it with a postpartum situation but one thing to remember here at the time she killed her children she was on just a few medications and they were extremely low doses and just the fact Dr. Phillips that her youngest child was eight months old how does that how is that relevant when you look at her mental health history postpartum and what DSM says which is sort of the playbook doctors use to make a diagnosis what that says versus what you see in patients in terms of mental health issues postpartum and how long they can last of that her youngest was eight months old is completely appropriate for when I see women having their most stress that first year of life bringing home a new baby really blows up what you knew as length as you knew it so I think the country really needs to think about the implications of this

45:09there is really no reason that in the United States women don't have at least a year of paid leave to stay home and take care of their children it really truly is unacceptable for the richest nation in the world insurance coverage adequate accessible low cost child care these are real conversations that we need to be talking excuse me talking about because the first year of life not only for babies but also for mothers is extremely critical and vulnerable when we're talking about our mental health and you know you had mentioned earlier postpartum depression but there there's other types too there's postpartum anxiety and with under that umbrella there's postpartum OCD which I've talked about on the show I I experienced for women who may be concerned about experiencing something like this or you know have worries in light of this trial what is your advice to them? My advice to them is to actually talk about it we can't get you the help that you need and you

46:10deserve if we don't know it is important that healthcare professionals are asking these questions but it's also important that family members friends loved ones are stepping in to specifically inquire how is your mental health how are you feeling today how are you coping and if we can encourage women in very safe spaces to talk about their issues I think we'll see how normal in comp this is and then with reassurance can step in not only to protect her but also to protect the babies that they're charged with taking care of. All right Dr. Camila Phillips and Jean Casar is thank you both for this important conversation wolf really important I want to get some exclusive reporting right now CNN has gained very rare access inside Israeli occupied south Lebanon where homes are reduced to rubble the Lebanese army is trying to regain control of the region through so-called pilot zones that's a framework backed by the U.S. meant to transition

47:10control of Lebanese territory occupied by Israeli forces seen as Jeremy Diamond exclusively embedded with the Lebanese army on patrol in one of these areas Jeremy tell our viewers what did you witness yeah that's right wolf the Lebanese army gave us access to their operations in one of these pilot zones we joined them on patrol there and we saw the ways in which they are patrolling the town they've set up entry checkpoints at the entrances to this village in an effort to keep militants out including Hasbala militants this is all part of an effort to eventually try and push for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon a lot of it depends on the success of these pilot zones so far there isn't much of an appetite though in the current Israeli government for expanding those pilot zones so we'll keep an eye on that but what we also saw on the ground wolf were the enormous levels of destruction not only from Israeli air strikes but also from Israeli bulldozing as the Israeli defense minister has vowed to raise every single village

48:14inside the Israeli security zone to the ground with the rare exception of just a few Christian villages in that area we also saw the extent to which the ceasefire in Lebanon is very much a cease fire in name only as we were interviewing a soldier talking about a previous Israeli strike here's what we heard and saw when you were first deployed to the south and that was some kind of Israeli strike close by this is another area how often are you seeing Israeli military strikes like this it's continuous in all the area of operation as I told you since that 27th of June framework agreement we had till now more than 5,000 attacks so it's continuous and it's everywhere in all the sector of the responsibility this is what ceasefire looks like this is what's happening this is what this is the ceasefire from their site and while 34 Lebanese soldiers have so far been killed this year not only by Israeli strikes but

49:15also by unexploded ordnance a very dangerous task we met the Lebanese armies EOD team which is tasked with recovering drones mines missiles and then decommissioning those they showed us how they were decommissioning a drone a fiber optic drone used by Hasbala and the very dangerous task that comes with that they say they need more support including from the United States in order to be able to complete this task more safely and effectively Jeremy Diamond back from South Lebanon he's in Tel Aviv right now thank you very very much Pamela all right so ahead wolf immigration ultimatum how the justice department is threatening states that don't report undocumented immigrants plus dangerous flash flooding and water rescues what's left of a tropical storm that dumps 20 inches of rain in Texas and it's not over stay with us you're in the situation room

50:18happening now the Trump administration is launching a new effort to make states cooperate with its aggressive immigration crackdown states are being told to report undocumented immigrants known to be living there or risk losing federal funding for two programs aimed at helping low income individuals stand in for sale alvarez reports extensively on the issue of immigration she is here in the situation room so this new demand from the administration is a sweeping revision of a long standing legal opinion what specifically changed here they essentially made it broader so this is a new legal interpretation of a Clinton era opinion now what that opinion did was have a reporting requirement in place for the agencies within a state that were administering these two programs that paying temporary assistance for needy families and supplemental security income what the justice department is doing now in this new legal opinion is broadening that out so that every agency within a state government would be required to provide information about undocumented immigrants believed to be residing in the United States now the way that they have justified doing this revision

51:22is by is this and I will read here from a statement from the justice department quote when a state chooses to participate in tamp it accepts the obligation to report illegal aliens in the United States tax dollars intended to help vulnerable Americans should not perversely encourage illegal entry into the United States but rather should reinforce our laws and our borders now again it's worth noting undocumented immigrants do not receive federal benefits are not eligible for them but there are limited exceptions and it's unclear how exactly they plan to implement this we do know from the opinion that it would be for future funding so it's not retroactive uh we also know however that they have been they being the administration have been challenged in court when they have attempted to do this critics say that they are trying to compel states and force states to comply with the administration's immigration crackdown by leveraging these welfare benefits and we saw something similar last year with the U.S. Department of Agriculture and this year a federal judge temporarily

52:22blocked the conditions that they had put on funds specific to food stamps so this is an administration that has tried to get information wherever it can about undocumented immigrants in the U.S. and this falls under that category with now this reporting requirement that is much broader that would require agencies within uh state governments to report or provide information if any undocumented immigrants so we'll be looking to see if there are legal challenges that are brought against the administration on this latest effort but it is clear the front the message rather is clear from the administration that they are going to continue this pursuit through various methods and this is just the latest one through this new legal opinion that again to your original question broadens out the requirement for state governments and again all states use these programs so they all face this consequence uh if they don't turn over information right so so basically we don't know yet if any of these states are going to bring a legal challenge to this we don't but we have an indication of who might or what that might look like because the USDA tried something

53:29last year as it related to food stamps and the the states brought a challenge there the federal judge temporarily blocked it and blocked specifically the new conditions that were put on the food stamps so because of that lawsuit and other lawsuits that have related to information gathering it is likely that we will see it but we'll but again this also comes down to implementation and how the Justice Department gets these states to turn over information all right Priscilla Alvarez as always thank you for bringing your reporting to us and so I'll have a situation room special report a 20 year old Haitian immigrant steps into highway traffic and is killed his family says he preferred death to the humiliation of wearing the government ankle monitor that's now required for a growing number of Haitian immigrants his story leader this hour also happening now we're remembering the feminist icon glorious Steinem she died yesterday at the age of 92 a statement on her social media account says she passed away in New York and I'm quoting now surrounded by some

54:29of the many who loved her Steinem rose to prominence advocating for women's rights and abortion she continued that activism into her 90s seen and Sarah Sidenner has more on Steinem's life and legacy any philosophy that tells us that there's only one way to live is got to be wrong for some people like few in her generation journalist and feminist leader glorious Steinem helped shape the national dialogue on some of the most contentious issues of our time the point is not what we choose but that we have the right to make a choice a five beta cap of graduate of Smith any philosophy that tells us that there's only one way to live is got to be wrong for some people like few in her generation journalist and feminist leader glorious Steinem helped shape the national dialogue on some of the most contentious issues of our time the point is not what we choose

55:34but that we have the right to make a choice a five beta cap of graduate of Smith college Steinem burst onto the national scene in 1963 with an expose of the working conditions of playboy bunnies she applied for and got a job as a bunny at the New York Playboy Club to get the inside scoop she revealed the long hours and stingy salaries of women who worked in the clubs where rich men spent their leisure time Steinem became a tireless advocate of what came to be called the women's liberation movement she was an eloquent and sometimes poignant champion of women's issues including equal rights and abortion I can assure you as a woman who has had one that abortion is not a pleasurable experience it is only a last resort and if the anti abortion forces were not also anti contraception and anti sex education in the schools we would have millions fewer abortions

56:39you were the one who coined the phrase reproductive freedom how did that happen it was reproductive rights reproductive freedom but clearly the ability to control to make decisions over our own physical selves is fundamental to democracy but because democracy did not in the beginning include female human beings we didn't necessarily include reproductive freedom her refusal to shy away from hot butt issues provoked a backlash she's my children to hate just like me cart cheeks poor sleeves big killers inside of my in 1971 Steinem launched MIS Magazine the first national women's magazine run by women the preview issue sold out and within five years its circulation reached half a million she hobnob with the rich and famous and received the red carpet treatment as a celebrity in her own right in September 2000 Steinem married David Bale father of actor Christian Bale they were together

57:42for less than four years Bale died of brain lymphoma at age 62 Steinem though remained active as a mentor and educator 2011 HBO documentary Gloria in her own words introduced Steinem to a new generation of women and in 2013 President Barack Obama awarded her the nation's highest civilian honor the presidential medal of freedom her one piece of advice to young girls is I love this do not listen to my advice listen to the voice inside you and follow that Steinem's reaction quote I'd be crazy if I didn't understand that this was a medal for the entire women's movement happening now more than seven million people in eastern Texas are under flood watches and parts of the state face a rare high risk for flooding what's left of tropical storm Edward has swamps some areas with nearly two feet of rain that's several months worth of rain in just hours and it

58:47flooded out roads and forced water rescues iconic Texas longhorn cattle were seen waiting through flood waters near Houston the storm is expected to drop more heavy rain this afternoon also this morning powerful storms hit parts of the northeast in Ontario with floods damaging winds and even a couple of tornadoes tens of thousands of homes and businesses are still without power and take a look at this scene in Toronto where the downpours flooded vehicles and bus stations sending people running for cover enforcing road closures more storms are expected this afternoon in the Ohio valley and mid-Atlantic well and also happening now rescue teams in Nepal are racing against time as they battle mud and debris to try to find survivors who may still be trapped inside tunnels official say around 900 workers are missing across hydropower sites across the catastrophic flood a week ago the disaster has left more than 1200 people dead and more than 5,000 people are still missing including

59:5075 Americans across the border in China at least 21 people are dead seeing as Hanukkah Montgomery is in Nepal following the rescue efforts more than a week on from the deadly flash floods Nepal is still counting the number of those who died and searching for thousands who remain missing authorities are desperately searching for survivors particularly in hydropower tunnels where hundreds remain unaccounted for but it's unclear how many are still alive the rescue and recovery effort is being hampered by bad weather destroyed roads and bridges but also because the tunnels are filled with thick heavy mud from the floods Prime Minister Valendrasha says some of these operations can't safely continue until that mud has fully dried and one military officer has warned that that task could take months that gives you a sense of the scale of what lies ahead and now there's another growing concern that disasters of this magnitude could become more frequent due to climate change here's what the Prime Minister had to say about this issue in parliament this is a serious

1:00:55signal that alongside climate change the risks we must bear in the Himalayan region are increasing we must be aware of this and the time has also come for us to present forcefully before the international community the disasters we are suffering because of climate change and new images continue to reveal the scale of the devastation drone footage shows the trail of destruction left by the floods and residents are digging mud out of their homes in some places even as their entire village remains buried and with bridges washed away rescue workers are building makeshift zip lines to reconnect communities cut off by the floods thousands of families are also now mourning their lost loved ones you can see here men shaving their heads as part of Hindu cremation rituals and for families who still haven't recovered a body straw effigies are being burned a symbolic farewell to loved ones they may never be able to bury Hanukkah Montgomery CNN caught my dune a Paul and special thanks to Hanukkah for that report from Nepal and to our viewers you can find out

1:01:56how you can help Nepal flood victims just go to CNN dot com slash impact and still ahead a wild standoff takes a turn when a man who fired at a police drone and barricades himself with a tractor you're in the situation room we'll be back happening now sources tell CNN the US military escorted 40 commercial vessels carrying 18 million barrels of oil through the straight-of-form moves as the US and Iran actually exchanged a new round of strikes on Tuesday and that marks a wartime high roughly 20 million barrels passed through the straight daily before the war started in late February CNN is also learning US forces hit nearly 60 Iranian military targets around the waterway while escorting the ships joining us now here in the situation as the former defense secretary and CIA director Leon Penetra Mr. Secretary thanks

1:02:57as usual for joining us what do you take away from all this latest reporting that we're getting about the overall state of the Iran war right now well it still appears very much to be a stalemate in which neither side is really able to bring the other side either to the negotiating table or surrender or be able to bring this war to an end and so right now we are in a prolonged war that appears to be continuing I think I think it is good news that the United States has been able to escort some ships through the straight-of-form moves because frankly one of the fundamental issues here is the closure of the straight-of-form moves that's what's impacting on the price of fuel that's what's impacting our inflation the cost of living and it really is leverage on the part of Iran

1:04:02to be able to threaten the straight-of-form moves as long as they have that capability with their missiles and drones I'm afraid that even though we may have scored a few ships the fundamental closure of the straight-of-form moves is still a reality president trump i told reporters yesterday mr secretary at the u.s military blew up quote much more than Iran's radar system in strikes earlier this week what could he be referring to and why is that potentially significant well it sounds like they're trying to go after targets that are involved in firing missiles and firing drones at ships that are going through the straight-of-form moves and if there's a combination here of u.s ships escorting transports probably using the olmani path through the

1:05:06straight-of-form moves in order to make that work you've got to make sure that you're going after Iranian missiles and drones that can fire on those ships so i'm sure that seems to be the combination here to try to allow some passage of ships through the straights i'm glad we're doing that but make no mistake about it it's still a very hit and miss operation and as long as Iran continues to threaten those ships going through the straights they still have a tremendous amount of leverage against the united states clearly this war is not over yet i want to play mr secretary some of what the president said about the prospect of regime change by the Iranian people listen and watch this so when i asked that question i asked it sort of knowing the answer the only answer is that they're being shot the regime is getting weaker and weaker by the day

1:06:06and at some point they're not going to be able to shoot so easily because i think the people aren't going to take it just how realistic is a rebellion by Iranian citizens against the Iranian regime well we've seen this before and the president at one point indicated that he would be providing help and never did i think unless there is an effort to try to support some kind of stronger opposition that is able to provide leadership and be able to organize people it's just not going to happen you can't just be hopeful you can't just wish for it because it's obvious that we're dealing with a very hard line regime that will come down very heavy on people who try to break away so my view is that unless the united states is providing support to those who are

1:07:14in fact on the streets and trying to be able to bring this regime down it isn't going to happen amid this war mr secretary multiple sources are now telling CNN they believe defense secretary pete hexeth is damaging the army's efforts to adopt to the modern battlefield as he focuses in on cultural issues and pushes out leaders who don't necessarily align with his vision and this comes after the army secretary dan drisco's recent resignation what's your response your a former Pentagon chief yourself you were secretary defense as you see this unfolding what do you think well i was also a member of the army when i served in the military and as uh former secretary of defense uh i think i think the secretary is undermining the strength of our military and particularly the army by creating the kind of turmoil in the command structure that he's been creating uh anytime he

1:08:18dismisses a command structure that is experienced and that has been recognized as strong and bringing experience and leadership to the position which is very important in the military it isn't the secretary that is leading those people on the battlefield it is those commanders and when you get rid of those commanders and when you get rid of the secretary of the army what you do is you create turmoil which damages the ability of the army to do its job particularly at a time of war the current Pentagon spokesperson shan parnell says that i'm quoting him now it's a total fabrication to claim that secretary hexeth is not focused on modernization end quote but what do you read from some republican lawmakers right now publicly calling for hexeth's oust outsting well you know when when you look at the record here it is not a good record in terms of supporting

1:09:32our men and women in uniform we're running out of weapons we have depleted our missile supply we are deploying ships like the abraham lincoln for nine months extended deployment that has impacted on morale on their health on their maintenance and on their mission when you combine all of that with the actions that are being taken against the commanders commanders who have been chosen because they are experienced because they're good i work with many of these people they are the best when you combine all of that what he's doing very frankly is weakening the ability of our military to respond and do its mission have you ever seen anything like this before at the Pentagon never never this is you know everyone I talked to has commented that there is nothing but turmoil going on at the Pentagon

1:10:37uh turmoil in leadership turmoil in terms of the mission terminal turmoil in terms of fully supporting our men and women in uniform who are putting their lives on the line that that is not with the Pentagon with the secretary ought to be doing he ought to be supporting those who put their lives on the line not undermining the support that they absolutely need to do the job the former defense secretary leon pedetta thanks so much for joining us good to be with you pamela all right well coming up he lost temporary protected status and was issued an ankle monitor months later he took his own life why his family says ice is to blame for his death that story up next now to a situation room special report in ohio a family of Haitian

1:11:39immigrants says there are 20 year old college student died by suicide because he was humiliated by the ankle monitor that immigration officials required him to wear pierde mous belle and a growing number of Haitians in ohio were outfitted with ankle monitors after the trump administration ended their temporary protected status pier had been going through two and a half years of immigration proceedings to stay in the u s his family and friends say the minor sidelined him from his beloved soccer and prevented him from getting a new rotc uniform and they say some classmates teased him about it on monday pier stepped into traffic on interstate 70 and was killed joining us now our pier is close friends yolamar who is also a member of the Haitian community network a local advocacy group and call ruby and immigration advocate who's been supporting pier's family thank you both for coming on so you'll let tell us more about your friend what he was like and and how your community is grappling with this thank you here don mous belle was a beacon of light

1:12:44in his community uh he originally originated from columbus ohio and actually wanted to move to springfield to be a soccer player on the springfield high school varsity men's soccer team um a lot of people can say that he was a positive person um always looking to help out work where he worked that at texas roadhouse um someone that was grateful for literally anything hard working uh determine uh full of courage um and it's it's difficult for the community to grapple with this i think that this just adds into existing compounded frustration and trauma uh that the community is already enduring that is um preventive none of this has to happen and uh it's very difficult for everyone carol you've been spending time with the family since pier's death his father said that pier called him just before his death can you share some of that conversation with us

1:13:49yes and and i want to also add that i become involved with the family since pier's death so yola has been outstanding in supporting them um what the father told me is that at eight o'clock um pier left home heading toward right state um and called him at one point and was very distressed and told him that he didn't know whether he could go on um and he he attributed to bullying that he was experiencing to people uh seeing him with the ankle monitor and calling him a criminal his dad begged him to come home thought that he he was going to do that his dad had to take a younger to school and when he got home he expected to find pier uh pier wasn't there um and at 11 o'clock the state highway patrol showed up with news of his his death yola uh spokesperson for ice says that

1:14:50it won't comment on a death that is still being investigated but did say this in a statement quote remaining in the country illegally while fighting removal is a choice leaving with a free flight home in twenty six hundred dollars is also a choice ice will continue to use detention or alternatives to to detention as needed for those illegal aliens who stay in violation of the law yola i wonder what your response is to that statement once also a choice is creating permanent pathways for people not to fall into uh cracks in a dehumanizing and criminalizing system what's also a choice is allowing people a fair game at justice what people don't understand is that people ordinary people everyday people are being criminalized and dehumanized by this administration's disgusting immigration policy pier came legally in the country what people don't understand is that when this administration

1:15:54took its place many forms of legal entries and pathways have been revoked we are facing the biggest mass delegalization and immigration history in the united states of america and so to take away uh the ability for people to adjust their status and also live a normal life and to respond in a very myopic simplistic way that people have a choice uh completely dismissing and oversimplifying the humiliation that pier had to endure it's just it's shameful and it's a disgrace um it's a it's a statement that i can't even take seriously and i think that it is important for this administration to take into consideration many other immigrants who have already committed suicide due to the emotional turmoil of this administration's disgusting immigration policy and revise it and also understand the importance of dignifying people especially the Haitian

1:16:57community i wonder Carl how people have you if you've seen a change of perception of Haitian immigrants and how they've been viewed and treated in your city over the last couple of years especially given some of the false claims about the community i'll do that but i want to take a crack at the previous question first um what i would ask to ice officials and to every legislator and the president trump and steven miller and marcoine mullins would you take your children back to Haiti for twenty six hundred bucks um and my guess is most would say not um the Haitian community is loved by the vast majority of people in spring for they work hard they're wonderful neighbors um they are kind joyful our city needed them we were we were declining in population uh they have re energized our city they've re energized our churches uh my that my church grew significantly with Haitians becoming a part of our church and we we went from having 50 Haitians

1:18:03a day on a Sunday till i think two when i survived in town so they're they're locked in their homes terrified of coming out the door we have to end it here yola marcoa ruby thank you so much if you are a loved one is struggling with suicidal thoughts or mental health issues call or checks nine eight eight for help and to our viewers thanks very much for joining us this morning inside politics with our friend and colleague Phil manningly today starts after a quick break hey i'm Anderson Cooper on my podcast all there is we explore grief and loss in all its complexities my guess on the podcast is nascar champion and holo famer Kurt bush is grieving the recent death of his younger brother nascar champion kyle bush i'm trying to grieve in ways to help people know my mom my dad and i try to do it where i'm not biting off more than i can chew and then back

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