Protecting Our Communities: The Fight Against Harmful Pesticides

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a the studio with we the beautiful catholic and the young gentleman woody and on the phone we have

giannelly giannelly giannelly are you on the phone line with us can you hear us yes i am

alright well i it's a pleasure to have all three of you here in the studio these are some of

the central coast experts that are coming all the way from Watsonville greenfield to be here with

us to share some information with us about pesticides and why it's so important that we get those

one mile buffer zones near our schools how's everybody doing what are you good i'm good yes

you're for having us thank you and Kathleen you good i'm good let's get right into it you know

i have a question um uh right right off the start what what is the biggest dangers

about pesticides and organophosphates why why is it so important for us to learn about organophosphates

and and what is so dangerous about that pesticide well organophosphates are a certain

category of pesticides some of them are insecticides but some have other uses and they affect

a particular part of the nervous system that has to do with how the nerve cells communicate

information and they disrupt that communication and there was a study that was done in the salinas

valley starting about 1999 right around the time we came to Watsonville where they followed

pregnant women and their children for years and it was looking at the impact of living near

where organophosphates were used and having sometimes traces of organophosphates in the mother's

blood and how that impacted the kids and what they showed was that a disproportionate number of

those kids had learning disabilities autism behavior changes more asthma all kinds of things that

were associated with that exposure and this wasn't the only study that showed this there were

others that had similar information so we're particularly looking at organophosphates as

having long-term effects on when pregnant women are are exposed on children and possibly on

the children when they're exposed as well besides which some of them are acutely toxic

too far markers if they're exposed in the field and Cassley just so the listeners can get to know

you who you are you're a lifelong advocate for human and environmental justice over 50 years of

service former midwife community nurse and school nurse right here in the PVUSD is there anything

that I left out what else have you you know I did a lot of things in healthcare I did go to

graduate school at University of Washington and study occupational and environmental health

and as part of my graduate studies I worked on an exposure assessment of children who lived

in the orchards of eastern Washington and it was looking at particularly organophosphates

in their home environments and the places they played thank you and and what are your former

farm worker for of 18 years in Washington state and a special education teacher of 18 years

in a PVUSD district a member of safe ag safe schools and a founder of a member of Korra also

also Kathleen your a member of Korra and Woody can you can you share your journey from the fields

to the classroom and what led you to this fight well it was it was a rather roundabout route

I I was a farm worker in Washington state after 60 years ago I'd been on the farm workers March

the Peregrinocio with the farm workers from Delano de Sacramento which ended on April 10th

1966 it was a big moment for a 19 year old college dropout like me

that stayed in my mind I didn't know that six years later I'd move up to Washington state

I would be a farm worker myself I would work in Guthayan and Perothayan which are organophosphates

which they said were safe they've since been banned for several years in the all of the United States

so there was a learning curve there and I learned to be a little bit suspicious and skeptical

about the guarantees that pesticides were safe if you just followed the label

well thank you goody are you there Yaneli yes I'm here okay good Yaneli you're a long-time advocate

former Greenfield City Council member working with the safe ag safe schools and California

pesticides reform and part of the team behind the spray days website can you tell us a little bit

about spray days and and why is community notification important yes so thank you hi woody hi

Kathleen hi Yaneli so basically spray days came about because of community advocacy so many people

including Kathleen and woody worked on this for many years and so now folks have the right to

know for a year now actually you could sign up on spray days visiting the DPR website and selecting

one address or up to 10 of whether you want to find out what pesticides are being applied near your home

full work you name it and you get alert ahead of time before the application actually happens

and then it will be on you to know how to protect yourself your family and it's been going great

I think people need to understand it's not perfect because we're still missing exact location

it's only restricted pesticides but a lot of the things that I've been hearing from

communities especially in the farm working communities is that at least now they have some sort of

tool at their hands that they could utilize to protect themselves to educate themselves

and their families when it comes to test if that exposure and a lot of the conversation has been

great with many folks including you or my Kathleen or woody making sure that people understand

what spray days are what that's better being applied educating that has even made it a bigger

a movement where new people that have never really been in contact with environmental justice

are taking action and are finding up and are making those questions asking those questions

what is methamill what is one thing what is you know you name it and again making sure that we

hold action mission is NDPR accountable it's such a powerful tool too because not only are people

getting notified when they're spraying these these chemicals but they're also getting the description

of the chemicals and I know not all chemicals are being put onto this app this app they're not all

on the list of dangerous chemicals that are being notified so that's something that the the

movement is working to get more of these dangerous chemicals on that list so people are notified

and an exact location and I think there's another thing also the NOIs can you tell us a little

bit about the NOIs please anybody yeah I can I can talk about NOIs so NOIs means notice of intent

it means that the A commissioner needs to get some extra paperwork and and approve the use

of a particular pesticide that's on the list of pesticides that require this and that the person

who applies it has to have the right paperwork in place and the right licenses to do that

the ironic thing about the notices of intent was that when they were first when they were

making the list department of pesticide regulation they were looking at chemicals because of their

environmental effects and not as much because of their human health effects so some of the chemicals

that are on there are on there because they get into water some of them are on there some of the

chemicals that are on there are not even allowed to be used in in California anymore and some of

the chemicals that were most concerned about like most of the organophosphates are not on the

list the fumigants are all on there because they're all toxic air contaminants and that puts them

in the easy to drift category but as we all agree it's it's a it's a list of only some

and it's not a complete list of everything that's being applied that we're concerned about

it still needs some work to to be perfected and I don't know if perfected is the right term

but to be better informative for the community yes we're actually asking that all organophosphates be

included in the list of pesticides that require notices of intent because of their risk to pregnant

women and and would he a US farmer you know what are your thoughts on that well one of the structural

problems with department of pesticide regulation is they license pest control advisors and pest

control advisors are paid they get a commission on the pesticides they prescribe it would be like

doctors getting paid for prescribing medicines medications which in the old days into some extent

still persist that's a system that just doesn't work for the people it works against human

health it works against the interests of phasing out dangerous pesticides because they keep

prescribing them there are a few pest control advisors who charge a fee and work independently

of that commission system but the vast majority of PCA just told me last week they receive

commissions they they kickbacks for prescribing these organophosphates for prescribing these

and it's a rotten system that needs to be looked at and changed and and people need to be held

accountable absolutely thank you for sharing that we're going to take a quick break you're listening

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Amada Diegas and we have special guest in the studio but I want to give a foot of thought

for for the public that's that's listening I want to speak directly to the people listening and

if you live near fields if your children go to school near agriculture this affects you pay

attention to spray days alerts please look into that website it gives a lot of a lot of information

speak at local meetings protect your family and uplift the people that are out there advocating

every day for you know these harmful pesticides to be stopped spreading being sprayed near

schools especially because a lot of our children are being exposed a lot of our elders in the elder

community are being exposed Janeli you you on the phone with us still yes I'm here Janeli

what do you want to tell us about spray days like what this is your moment to to to give us some

kind of education on on spray days and and what the movement's been doing to stop pesticides being

sprayed near schools okay well I can't say it enough like spray days is a tool to empower community

members and I know that many people in decision-making positions don't like that we just met with

as a missioner is that go from honorary county what like two weeks ago Omar you were there

at the meeting and if you recall his specific statement was spray days was created to inform the

public not alarm that's a public we don't want them to be alarmed and I had to correct them and

that's what I want the community to understand your listeners it is supposed to alarm folks because

what we're being exposed to like Kathleen mentioned what he has mentioned you have mentioned Omar

we are being poisoned disproportionately affected because of these harmful pesticides so we

should be alarmed and so with spray days is validating our feelings our concerns but also

empowering us to take action to make sure that we hold those entire accountable so if I know

that there was a pesticide application and it had to do with spray days or it did not have to

do with spray days then I would know my right to ask the commissioners office for a investigation

because of a possible drift incident and that's something that just happened over the weekend and

again it's because of the amazing work that all the amazing staff members have been doing with all

of you three in the studio right now of informing the public of having them some sign up for spray days

I got an alert I got a message from a woman who just by hearing everything on social media she

decided to sign up for spray days and she was woken up Saturday morning because of stomach pain

chest pain and it was not just her it was her and the two children and she looked up her spray days

alert and it said that methamethamil was applied and so when she caused the

commissioners office and said you know I have the spray days alert this is what was sprayed this

is the ingredient I'm not feeling well my kids are not feeling well and to have somebody from the

act commissioners office tell her that no you're incorrect that is not being applied that is not

part of spray days then we have more leverage to make sure that things are done correctly and hold

them accountable because methamil is part of spray days and what the woman was doing what this mom

was doing was exactly what I would do it and anybody else would do would would be that if my child

being affected I'm gonna ask for a report I'm gonna ask for an investigation because I at that

moment and a victim of a pesticide drift and so that's the type of empowering mechanism that

spray days has has created it has it really has given a voice to the community so yeah I'm very

passionate about it and it's not perfect but it's a tool and young lily just so the listeners know

like this meeting with the d'Algo that was held at the ad commissioner in Monterey County

how long did it take for you guys to get that meeting with him and and how long did it give you

in that meeting I just want to point these things out because this is something that's it's hurting

our community and and I thought it was very disrespectful the amount of time that he gave

for that meeting and I also thought it was very disrespectful that it took this long to sit down

and finally have that conversation with this man yeah so we had asked for a meeting every year

like we usually do with both ad commissioners but for the past two years he refused to meet with

us this is a Monterey County ad commissioner up until just recently that we did meet with

with him and he only gave us half an hour of a meeting and so with half an hour you can't really

cover a lot but I think we were we we we we just deliver what we needed to deliver these are our

demands they these are the packets that we need you to continue to read we will continue to hold

you accountable we will continue to uplift our communities and we will continue to fight for

these environmental injustices that we're currently living in thank you y'all nearly and

and just to to recap that comment when I when I made the comment about how many notifications I

got on spray days it was like over 80 notifications in one month sometimes up to three times a day

and then his response was it's not meant to alarm people it is alarming it is alarming to find out

that we're being exposed to pesticides over 80 times in one month sometimes up to three times a day

so you know it is alarming and for him to not validate people's feelings people's concerns was

very disrespectful witty I know you have a wealth of information I could see whether you want to

say something or operate up the mic is yours you could say me a chomp in at the bed yes well I

was a special ed teacher in Pahero Valley unified for 18 years and I noticed my my children

the qualified they had learning disabilities there were other disabilities involved some of them

were autistic these are things that are linked strongly through the 25 year UC Berkeley School of

Public Health Jamaco study in the Salinas Valley and I did not know about these things until I

retired nine years ago then I started studying that looking at that study and other studies

which showed a strong link it's hard to give to claim causation direct causation because there

are so many variables out there but strong associations strong links between organophosphates

and learning disabilities autism ADD ADHD it's alarming I just want to go through we have a new

tool a mapping tool by school districts it only goes from well it goes seven years from 2017

to 2023 in our school district Pahero Valley unified a total of 14,686,000 pounds of total

pesticides were applied wow seven year period that averages out to more than two million two

million pounds per year two million pounds per year and we have is that right did I get that right

yeah and and the the bulk of those are the fumigants the fumigants for some reason even though

their gases they're put in liquid or granular form into the soil and they weigh a lot but they

are there's a lot you have the weight of the fumigants yes but I just want to break it down

there were 152,000 pounds of organophosphates wow by the way when we've looked at this tool

through all the school districts in the central coast we have not found any school district that

has had a greater totals than this have passed aside let's point out that Monterey County and

San Cruz County has a high volume of of I'm sorry I'm blank you know we have a high volume of

kids or youth that are suffering from cancer in our area throughout the state of California

Watsonville Pahero Valley and Monterey County have the highest levels of childhood cancer the highest

levels of children suffering from learning disabilities asthma stuff like that it's it's really

hard to come up with those numbers because of the way the the data is collected and one thing to

remember is that the Pahero Valley is in two counties so we have kids from Monterey County and

kids from Santa Cruz County but I think you know it's important to remember that

there are all different kinds of pesticides in use and there are all different modes of exposure

and we don't really know how all these different chemicals interact with each other

that's something that's been studied very little so like the sensitive periods like during

pregnancy the long-term effects like over you know your whole childhood or your whole life

and the combination of all the different chemicals all those different things could be having

impact on cancer rates or respiratory illness rates or you know some of the neurological things

that come up like for example in older people more Parkinson's is associated with certain pesticide

exposures all those things together so we we I found out when we were fighting against this one

organophosphate chlorpyrifos that it was just going to take too long to knock them down one at a

time so now in our campaign we're grouping them together and we're like excuse me we want to we

want to more restrictions and we want to phase out all the organophosphates we want to phase out

all the fumigants we don't want to just try and knock them down one at a time we want to group

them together and it's really about time to do that in October 2017 UCLA law blue ribbon panel

called for phasing out and banning organophosphates worldwide that was nine years ago and it was

roundly ignored by our department of pesticide regulation and it just goes on because one thing

it's kind of like being a ninja fighting a a battle when you're blinded to your opponent because

the the ag big Kim big ag big oil which makes pesticides and plastics they have huge lobbies

were rarely in the same room with them occasionally hearings in Sacramento we run into

their lawyers you can always tell who they are because they they have suits and and they look

pretty ornery and but we're not really that's that's the hidden that's the hidden influencers that

we're dealing with and big ag big Kim and big oil and they're they have enormous influence

in the state capital as well as the national capital thank you thank you we're going to take

a quick break you're listening to ks qd santa Cruz ks qt prundale we're going to hit it with the

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and we're having a great conversation about pesticide and and this is a about

environmental justice uh this is about environmental racism this is about farm workers dignity

this is about future generations to come this is about mother earth in the way we treat her

this is about the water that is so precious how how are we taking care of that water for our future

generations to have clean water higher we taking care of that land to be able to

protect mother earth and being indigenous it is so important to the indigenous community that

we take care of that land and and these harmful pesticides are not doing that i want to ask

all of you a question because i think what people don't understand about advocating for

something that you're so passionate about you know the the work that it takes to be an advocate

to be an activist uh you know you have to sacrifice a lot you have to be consistent show up for

the community i want to ask all three of you this question if you guys can't turn any order

what was that moment that made you decide that this is something that i'm passionate about

this is something that i want to fight for what was that moment and we'll start with woody and

then we'll go to janelia and with casting well you know i was i was fishing around for

information and there is an outfit called kiss the ground which offered a five-day online workshop

with someone named uh finnie and make peace and he was excellent and i learned a lot about carbon

sequestration in healthy soil and how that is a one big solution to climate change

because plants through photosynthesis they take water and carbon dioxide at greenhouse gas

they make sugars out of it for the the plant does with photosynthesis but those sugars it also shares

with healthy soil microbes and then exchange those microbes they provide nitrogen phosphorus

potassium and trace minerals through the roots of the plant so using healthy soil as a conduit

for greenhouse gas reduction and feeding plants this is what dick Peshot does he says i feed the

soil with compost and other amendments and the soil feeds the plants when you use fumigants and

pesticides the soil becomes an inner rooting medium and then you have to pump in all these

all these fossil fuel pesticides so so that study is what made you perish but passionate about

yeah and there are films which are readily available online kiss the ground and common ground

that's the name of the film yeah kiss the ground we're actually actually doing it we showed common

ground at the real a couple years ago okay maybe three october's ago with a full house it was

they they do excellent work yeah and and bringing real living examples of organic living soils farmers

and how they got off the chemical treadmill thank you Yaneli what made you passionate about the work

that you're doing so i think first of all i shared it in the past having my oldest

southern asthma attack at the age of 10 because of close proximity to the axial to his school

really did kind of like initiate that fire of you know i need to speak up i'm a mom of there i'm

gonna be a strong advocate for a child but what about the rest of the month the mom that are

silent the mom that the mom that are quiet because the system tells them to be quiet but they're

not supposed to be speaking out of line right i think that was part of the fire but now the more

that i look into this um having folks in sass like canceling like woody like you obviously omar

that have so much going on with the life that we could be anywhere right now but we're here volunteering

our own time to speak up regarding this issue because if we don't speak up it's gonna continue

as a cycle of a view of abuse and with us speaking up right now and being away from our own

families and sometimes not even priority prioritizing our house because we're so passionate about

the movement has really inspired others to join the movement or at least others to speak up

about the environmental injustices happening in the community currently right now so that is my

inspiration my sass family and and you know it's it's when you're an activist sometimes you forget

to make that time for yourself and to really take care of yourself uh i know i i found out the

hard way uh you know i i was on the verge of a burnout uh and if it wasn't for me going to college

i was taking a counseling class and when the teacher talked about burnout and she gave a list

of the checklist if you're experiencing this i checked every single box you know and i'm like wow

that so that's what's going on with me you know it's it's uh we we forget about taking care of

ourselves and making time for ourselves so uh you know we're not perfect it's something that i

learned in school and and now i'm working on it but thank you for sharing that you Nellie

Kathleen what made you passionate about the work that we do well first i want to thank you Nellie

for giving me a good excuse for not doing my house work you know my history with pesticides

goes way back so i have these touch points along the way and i will disclose that my dad worked

for a shell development company and his company was afterward were two figuring out what to do with

all this fossil fuel and making pesticides was one of the things they did but when i was a kid

all i was like my reaction was oh they really smell bad but the thing that i remember was

i was a hippie living in hippie commune in the hills i worked for a small newspaper

and i was a writer for that newspaper and uh at that time the Vietnam War had ended and there were all

these uh that's coming back and uh those of us who are old enough to remember remember

Asian Orange Asian Orange was spread uh in the jungles of Vietnam to remove the cover for

the Vietnamese but it did great damage and is still doing harm to the people of Vietnam

and at the time that i was writing for the paper they were going to spray Asian Orange in the

forest along the the forest roads for weeds for weed control and i remember this vet came to us

and he was like i have liver damage i have chlor acne i'm going to die from this stuff don't

let him spray it on your on your forest so we actually did organize and protest and they ended up

changing their plan but it gave me this awareness of chemical exposure not just pesticides but

you know the chemicals they used in the early days of silicon valley all kinds of things like that

that who gets impacted by the most hazardous chemicals in our environment so pesticides kept coming

up as part of that and i would think probably a turning point for me was when i was working on

that exposure assessment and the spray plane went over and we were all splattered with organic

phosphates and i still have a twitch in my finger from that day so and and people are still

being exposed like that you people would think that they you know that that doesn't happen anymore

but yeah yeah no we're lucky in this that in in Santa Cruz County we don't have the spray planes

that they have in Monterey County and out in the Santa Cruz and people are still out there working

in the fields while the planes are flying over spring yes yes and and you touched on a very

important note brought to you reminded me of organic phosphates is related to some of the

chemicals that they use the Nazis used in the gas chambers to kill people yes organic phosphates

are related to those chemicals and yet we're using them to grow our crops how does that explain

that to me who thought that was something smart well they were originally noticed as being something

that that had a really strong flavor and had or smell and had had an effect on the person that

was experimenting with them and then the kind of the insecticide and the the poisonous gas use

kind of developed together and then during World War II of course the gases were developed by

both sides not just by the Germans right and after the war you know they had already done all this

developing on these chemicals are and it turned out that the the book DDT or the book silent spring

and come out and DDT was being phased out so the organophosphates came in to replace DDT

and did you do you know in the early days of Watsonville what they used on the orchards for methamel

no or what was it let arsenate oh yes let arsenate yes ortho chemical was was founded in Watsonville

it later became Monsanto or Dow I forget which one and they sprayed the trees the apple trees

with lead in arsenic to kill the bugs so it's like you go from one thing to another and when you

find out that's bad then you just move on to the next thing when actually the healthy practices

for gardening for farming those are the ones that can replace a lot of the chemicals without having

to rely on anything highly toxic and that's why Woody wants to talk about healthy soil

I do you know hold on Woody before you go on I got to say you know Woody and Kathleen are

are a couple and it's funny to see here watch because Woody's kind of like tapping her like

let me talk let me talk and he's over the raising his hand at me like hey I want to say something

but you know you guys I hope you don't mind me saying this because

how old are you gonna turn Woody I want people to know I will be 80s this year 80s and I don't

want to wait to see these changes till I'm pushing up daisies I want to see them in my lifetime

for our grandchildren and so there's just like when I was on the farm workers march and I was 19 I

have a sense of urgency but it's at the other end of the spectrum I don't know it's hard to

explain but there's that sense of activism and urgency because you reach a point where you're

not going to live forever and you realize it so you have to live differently and try to get things

done so well before you move on with your comment you know thank you both you Kathleen and

and Woody for the years of advocacy against pesticide for all the hard work and and you know

every time I sit in the meeting with you it's easy to be quiet and learn so much information

from you so thank you for all the years of advocacy and all the hard work that you guys put into

thank you for your hunger strike for 30 days in september that really raised awareness

thank you for all of these issues yes I just want to talk for a moment about

soil rotation go ahead and what's happening with fumigants is they can grow the same thing year after

year in the same place the same raspberries or strawberries and they wear out the soil and but they

keep pumping it with you know artificial fertilizers so no farmer in their right mind before

fumigants would try doing that because you do wear out the soil and you start getting

things like fusarium wilt too these super bugs that develop even infumigated soils so

I want to see us go back to crop rotation you can grow bocicas which have natural sulfur you can

harvest them like tom tom grows of livers farm and then you plow under the plants it

sulfurizes the soil it's not foolproof but then you plant pathogen resistant varieties from

UC Davis or Driscoll's has its own proprietary varieties and some private plant readers do too

and then you have a pretty good shot at growing but you have to rotate growing organic berries but

you have to rotate soil I will say that miles rider is growing organically at airport road now and

green valley road a big new block of organic strawberries where previously dick per show had been

growing a lot of organic vegetables that's a good sign it's a good sign but what do you think

what direction is he going to move in is he doing that just the silence with going on in the

I think I think he's concerned about his image in our community my concern and you know not

everybody shares my point of view but my concern is that that he will kind of do the green

washing thing in the power of alley because so much attention has been drawn to his fields and

his practices in the power of alley but he are are Driscolls not miles rider per se but Driscolls

is using bad chemicals and taking the water and taking the land in Mexican communities

and in other places around the world and they also they they grow a lot of their

organic berries in Baja because it's cheaper labor costs are lower so it's not like

they're going to do the right thing because they're going to change their whole company philosophy

I think they could do the right thing for us but we would like to see the whole system change

and it's not like people have to eat strawberries every day of the year all over the world

well thank you for sharing that with us Kathleen and Yaneli we're going to come back with some

questions for you after this little break

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Giegas Yaneli you know thank you for being on the show Kathleen thank you for being on the show

what do you think for being on the show I want to give you all an opportunity to say something that

you want to say to the community out there that's listening whatever it is it's your moment to

say that message right now most of it with you Yaneli yeah I think my message would be for

everyone listening is that hopefully you learn something from this our with us but there's

so many of us getting up of our own personal time not because we want to be troublemakers

but because we really care about human health we care about making sure that we have

our pollinators for the future that we even have a future that our soil is protected like

Woody mentioned that there's a better way to grow food without harming anybody so I think

that more than anything I just want folks to feel in power to feel that they could do something

themselves they could attend the meeting they could sign a petition they could simply give

donation to this radio station that is providing such crucial information everything or one of

us could do something even if it's something as small as just hitting the like button but it's

all on us to really make change we are the ones that create change nobody else is going to come

do it for us but we all need to create change together thank you Yaneli powerful message thank you

Kathleen yeah I would reinforce that community engagement is really crucial when you talk to the

growers when you talk to the bureaucrats they all say well we're doing everything according to

the rules we're following all the rules and that means it's safe well our experience is not the

same as theirs we don't believe that we're being adequately protected and the system is not

designed for the benefit of environmental and human health as the number one priority so

we want to make sure that people engage so that they vote for politicians and vote with their

dollars of the kind of food they choose to reinforce the kind of agricultural system that they

want to see going forward in the future which is based on healthy food healthy soil healthy

communities thank you Kathleen Woody I just want to mention that the healthy soil is the life

blood of communities and healthy soils wet sequesters huge amounts of carbon

as as a climate mitigation strategy I also want to mention we didn't talk about carcinogens

two and a half million pounds of one three D which is a byproduct of show show oil development

they didn't know what to do with but they found that it made a great fumigant and two and a half

million pounds have been applied it during the seven-year period 2017 to 2023 in our school district

it's banned in 40 countries and it needs to be banned here yes thank you thank you everybody for

being on the radio today you know I just have one last message you know to the public out there

that's listening this is this is a fight that is not easy but it is sacred this is a sacred fight

because we are protecting life we are protecting mother thank you for listening to

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