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Jen Psaki looks at Donald Trump's oddly casual answers to questions about the hardships his war on Iran is imposing on Americans, as well as Defense secretary Pete Hegseth's embarrassing chest pounding and the juvenile propaganda being released on government social media accounts, and questions whether Trump understands or is even capable of being a wartime president.
Barbara Starr, former CNN Pentagon correspondent, and Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton (Ret.), talk with Jen about the Trump administration's bizarre treatment of war.
Kristi Noem's job as secretary of homeland security may be over, but accountability for her time in office did not simply going away when she was fired. Not only is she facing investigations in states where ICE ran amok on her watch, but massive, taxpayer-funded promotional media contracts she arranged are still the subject of intense inquiry on both sides of the aisle. Rep. Joe Neguse, whose tenacious questioning of Kristi Noem in a House Judiciary Committee hearing almost certainly contributed to her eventually being fired by Donald Trump, talks with Jen Psaki about what comes next in holding Noem accountable for her transgressions while in office.
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Okay, there's a lot of breaking news tonight and specifically there is breaking news that
Donald Trump has privately expressed serious interest in deploying US troops on the ground inside
of Iran. And that's brand new reporting from the NBC news, according to two US officials,
a former US official, and another person with knowledge of the conversations. That is a lot of
people providing this information to NBC. Trump has apparently discussed the idea of troops on
the ground with both AIDS and Republican officials outside of the White House. And I just want you
to think about that incredibly sobering news in the context of what we are seeing and hearing
from this president publicly right now. Because today the president who just launched the United
States into a war with Iran just seven days ago, and who is now apparently expressing interest in
sending US ground troops into that war, which is of course the fear that millions of Americans,
people with children, people with grandchildren have around the country. Even as that's going on,
he hosted a round table for college sports officials today where he seemed, well,
laser focused on how to fix what he called the mess of how college athletes are paid. And even
to Fox News reporter Peter Ducey, my old buddy Peter Ducey, the issue of how college athletes
are paid did seem well, kind of secondary to the all-out regional war Donald Trump started.
And so, Ducey asked Trump a question about reports that Russia is helping Iran target
American something that was in the newspapers this morning. And here's how that went.
It sounds like the Russians are helping Iran target and attack Americans now.
That's an easy problem compared to what we're doing here.
Can I be honest? It's just I have a lot of respect for you. You've always been very nice to me.
What a stupid question that is to be asking at this time.
Is it? I mean, what a stupid question to be asking at this time. An easy problem compared to
what we're doing here. Again, you all just heard that. But Peter Ducey was asking him about a war
in Iran that Trump started a week ago. And what they were doing there was meeting with college
sports officials. So Trump gets a big laugh in the room. Maybe he wanted that and then starts
lashing out at his own favorite network for asking a very legitimate question about,
again, the war he just started just seven days ago. And that moment is so emblematic of the
deranged flippancy with which Donald Trump has treated this war. I mean, we've heard phrases like
forget about next. If they rise, they rise. And that's the way it is. Those could easily,
if you just listen to those phrases, pass for lyrics in a Bruce Hornsby song or in the mantra for
one of those bad meditation tapes, you may listen to to go to bed. But those are all actual verbatim
quotes from the president of the United States in response to some very serious questions about
the very real consequences of his very unpopular war with Iran. Like the question that Jonathan
Carl asked Trump yesterday, the question every president is asked after starting a war. What
happens next? And Trump's reply was forget about next, suggesting he doesn't want to answer because
he doesn't have an answer and just wants everybody to move on. Then in an interview with Reuters,
the president was asked about the spike in gas prices due to his war. And his answer quote,
if they rise, they rise. Again, Bruce Hornsby lyrics right there. As if he hadn't spent the last year
trying to convince us all that low gas prices are the number one indicator of economic success,
including in his state of the union address less than two weeks ago. And of course, this is the
same guy whose first response to the death of U.S. service members was to say in a pre-recorded
video quote, that's the way it is. Again, that was a pre-recorded video over which which basically
means there was a script written. He likely read it off of a teleprompter. He had full editorial
control. And that's what he chose to say about the deaths of American service members.
Trump's global approach to communicating about a war he started was on display, of course,
again late yesterday. When he was asked by Time Magazine if Americans should be worried about
the possibility of an attack right here at home on American soil. And his response was, I guess,
like it was the first time he had even considered that possibility, which is really what ways on
every president or should when they make a decision like this. Trump went on to tell time,
I think they're worried about that all the time. We think about it all the time. We plan for it,
but yeah, you know, we expect some things. Like I said, some people will die. When you go to war,
some people will die. That's to be clear, he's talking about people dying here at home on American
soil as a result of his war. And that was his answer. Any former president will tell you or anyone
who's worked for them will tell you that there is no decision more serious than committing
American forces to fight and possibly die in an armed conflict to putting the men and women
who serve in harm's way. And yet, Trump's flippant attitude on matters of life and death shows
how unbothered he is by the suffering and sacrifice that war inevitably brings. He's incapable
of the slumnity and sober-mindedness that this moment requires. He's incapable of acknowledging
that anything that happens on his watch could possibly be a tragedy or a hardship born by the
American people. And just part of why he's uniquely unfit to lead the country during a time of war.
But it's not even the only reason. I mean, Donald Trump is also incapable of formulating a coherent
strategy. Because for him, it's not really about that. That's not what he seems to be demanding.
Because what he loves more than anything is just issuing big maximalist demands.
Which I guess is why he's now decided to raise the bar and vastly expand the goal, the publicly
stated goal, which continues to evolve, of this operation. I mean, for days this administration
has offered shifting definitions of what success would actually look like in Iran. Everything
from regime change to stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions to decimating its navy. But today,
Trump posted to his true social account, there will be no deal with Iran except unconditional surrender.
Now, the last U.S. war to end in an unconditional surrender was, of course, world war two.
And that was followed by decades of U.S. state building in Germany and Japan.
But that is how high Trump has set the bar for ending this conflict. And Trump's own White House was
so panicked by his new demand that they spent the entire day running around desperately trying to
change the definition of the word surrender. And when the president determines that Iran no longer
poses that threat, that's when that unconditional surrender will take place. What the president
means is that when he, as Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, determines that Iran no
longer poses a threat to the United States of America and the goals of Operation Epic Fury has
been fully realized, then Iran will essentially be in a place of unconditional surrender, whether they
say it themselves or not. That made my brain hurt. I mean, to be clear, them saying it themselves
is pretty key to the whole concept of surrender, just in general. But that is where we are right now.
And extremely telling that after what is probably the most serious and consequential action that
Trump has taken as president, no one in his administration seems to be capable of acting like an adult.
I mean, Secretary of Defense Pete Hankseth has now given multiple press conferences where he
has told the American people that this will all be different than past military engagements because
it's not a, quote, politically correct war. As though the problem with Iraq and Afghanistan was that
everyone kept just laying down their weapons to say their pronouns and do land acknowledgments.
That was not the problem. And as the Washington Post reports that the military relied on AI to
strike over a thousand targets in Iran, the Pentagon just gave its top AI job to a 20-something
year old former doge staffer with a history of boosting white supremacist content online.
And despite the life and death stakes of this dangerous intervention, the White House and its
staffers are putting out meme-style hype videos to promote their war. These are official videos put
out by the Trump administration, splicing together footage of their missile strikes with clips of
sports, video games, and movies. It's all in such disgusting taste. They kind of have to see it to
believe it.
You want to see me do it again?
You want to see me do it again?
Those are all videos, different ones, spliced together, that were put out by the White House,
by official accounts, by officials at the White House. I mean, obviously trivializing lethal
airstrikes with Spongebob memes is not how a responsible administration behaves when putting
America's armed forces in harm's way. And to that point, actor and director Ben Stiller called
out the Trump administration for using a clip from his 2008 comedy Tropic Thunder in one of those
videos. And today, he asked the White House to please remove the clip, saying, we never gave
you permission and have no interest in being a part of your propaganda machine, war is not a movie.
It's an incredibly sad day for our country when a comedian has to tell the president of the
United States to take war seriously. But that is that is where we are, even as the consequences of
this war become clear every day. Because as much as Trump and his allies would like to think of
this as a game as something to brush off with glib answers and as fodder for memes on social media,
it is obviously deadly serious. Today, word or say to two US officials who say that military
investigators believe the US was likely responsible for a missile strike that hit a girl's school
in Iran killing scores of innocent civilians. According to Reuters, that investigation is not yet
reached its final conclusion. But another investigation by the Associated Press citing expert
analysis of satellite imagery and other publicly available information also determined that the strike
likely came from the US. Iranian officials say that more than 150 students were killed as a result
of that strike. And in addition to the civilian death toll in Iran, at least six US service members
have been killed in the conflict. Tomorrow, their bodies will return to US soil as part of a dignified
transfer ceremony at Dover Air Base. And the potential for even greater sacrifice continues to grow.
Again, NBC News is now reporting that Trump is privately showing serious interest in sending US
graduates into Iran in the statement. In response to that story from White House Press Secretary
Caroline Levit, notably did not deny that Trump was considering putting boots on the grounds in Iran.
She wrote, this story is based on assumptions from anonymous sources who are not part of the
president's national security team and are clearly not read into these discussions. President
Trump always wisely keeps all options open, but anyone trying to insinuate he is in favor of one
option or another proves they have no real seat at the table. Now all of this comes as a brand new
NPR-Marist poll finds that voters disapprove of Trump's handling of the war by 18 points.
And we're still less than a week into this conflict. The American people clearly have stronger
feelings about this war than the president of the United States has been able to muster.
But in his words, I guess that's the way it is. Joining me now, longtime and legendary Pentagon
correspondent for CNN, Garber Star, and retired major journal Paul Eaton, who is now a senior advisor
to vote vets. General Eaton, let me start with you. I, especially considering everything we've
already seen and heard from the White House over the past week, what is your reaction to the new
reporting tonight that Trump has privately expressed serious interest in deploying U.S. troops on
the ground in Iran? Jen, thank you for having me. And Barber Star, a heroine for a day or two,
gladdening to be on the same screen with him. Jen, first I'm going to say that, I mean,
he used the word that a lot of people are thinking and it's dementia. We have a situation where
someone called a malignant narcissist is unfortunately drifting into a state of dementia that
is difficult to manage here. With respect to your question, moving ground troops into a 93 million
inhabitant country, Persians have a history of extraordinary bravery and combat. They have a history
of extraordinary culture and maintenance of their current and their past and their future.
So, the idea of moving troops into the state of Iran,
bigger than Texas and working ground warfare with all the logistics associated with doing logistics
in a great big country. We're talking pretty difficult stuff here. We're not talking Iraq.
This is something much bigger and much more problematic than Iraq and it looks like Iraq 2.0.
When you look at the failure to plan for the next step in this venture that the Trump administration
has started upon. I don't have to tell you and I'm sure you've thought about this a great deal,
given the number of years you've served. All of these men and women are of course at
their serving the commander in chief. They're serving the US military. They're going to be following
orders and they should not be following illegal orders. But what should they be doing? What should
commanders out there be doing? What should men and women in the service be doing who feel
deeply uncomfortable with these orders and perhaps deeply uncomfortable and share your sentiment
about the person who's making the decisions? I believe that the rank of file of the military has lost
faith in their senior military and senior civilian leadership. We have purged to the Pentagon to
a point that we have people who will not tell the king that he has no clothes. We have a senior
military that is looking to each other with distrust because they don't know who's faithful to the
constitution of the United States and who is faithful to the president in this case, Mr. Trump.
Disconnect and that lack of solidarity, person to person in the senior ranks of the military
will create great big problems for us. This idea of moving large formations of men and women
on the ground to execute missions is not consistent with 1002, the plan that J5 put together a long
time ago and is updated over time to manage warfare in Iran. Let me ask you, there are so many
things I have on my list to ask you about. But this is one of the most important ones which is the
position we're putting men and women out there. Barbara, let me ask you about what General Eden
just said about men and women being asked to serve somebody who may not be in a position or able
to serve. I'm paraphrasing what he just said. And the position that puts our men and women in,
what they can do about it, what you're perhaps hearing from the men and women in the military or
either the leaders that you still talk to about this concern.
Well, I would say the thing I hear the most is concerned about Pete Hegg-Seth. His language
since this started isn't just bombastic, it's glorifying death and destruction and killing.
He comes out and makes these statements in a couple of press conferences, in interviews and talks
about how much about the US troops are killing. You know, this is serious business. I don't know
any serious military commander that would speak that way and especially to troops. Troops know
what their job is. They know what the ultimate is that they may be called a hauntitude.
There's no question about that. But, you know, you have to, as you said, you know, you have to
approach this with a sober, clear mind about what you're doing and what you're asking young Americans
to do. And that means a sober, clear-minded strategy and the goals on how you're going to achieve it,
and a secretary of defense that is able to stand up there and clearly explain it to American people.
And especially, Jen, to American parents who have children serving in the military. Everybody throws
around boots on the ground. Well, to paraphrase someone I heard from this week, boots on the ground.
Who is that? That is American service members with husbands, wives, children who, you know,
at least six of them, their lives have changed forever. And now I don't think nearly enough attention
paid to this attack in Iran where perhaps hundreds of school children were killed. You know,
America needs to pay attention to collateral damage. You can't go around bombing Tehran and not
be killing civilians. So this requires a much more serious attitude starting with the panic on.
Let me ask you about that follow-up to that, General, because, you know, we heard when Trump was
asked what happens next, he said, forget about next. And as Barbara just referenced, we heard,
there was excellent reporting today about the United States being involved in the attack on the
school that killed 150 schoolgirls in southern Iran. What Trump is, what he and Hexat have made
clear is that there are military assets would remain in the region indefinitely. That seems to be
what they're conveying to all of us or that's what I'm hearing. There is collateral damage that's
done. There's raising tensions, rising tensions in the region with no clear objective. What is that,
what does that next actually look like? What are the dangers to the troops, the men and women
serving? What could be the escalation mean in the region given what Barbara just referenced?
Jen, and Barbara, thank you very much for your consider reply for boots on the ground. They are
men and women sons and daughters. And your question is the focal point. We have shifted
from the mission set, the strategic level. The military is operating brilliantly at the
operational and tactical levels of warfare. The strategic level is problematic right now,
coming from an administration that really does not know where it's going. And is it force-oriented?
Is it to destroy the capacity to wage war? In Iran, is it nonproliferation? No, it's neither of those.
Is a regime change, apparently not. And now it is unconditional surrender.
Well, last time we pulled that off was a full court press on Germany and Japan by all the nations
of the world to reduce those two nations to a state where we can manage their future.
That's what they want. And we don't have the troops available. We simply don't have the
forces available to manage such an outcome. That's an incredible part of this. There doesn't seem
to be enough focus on including the impact on the men, women, children, granddaughters,
neighbors as you both have referenced. Barbara, let me ask you about what's happening with the
Pentagon press corps. I mean, we have the best military in the world. The Pentagon press corps is also
perhaps the best or one of the best press corps out there. Tough, smart, follows things closely.
And Pete Hexeth has done a couple of press conferences this week. He's given incredibly
flippant responses at many moments. There are also restrictions that continue to be placed on
the Pentagon press corps. I know they're going to still do their reporting, of course, as they are
doing. But what is the impact of that? What is your level of concern about that given all of the
threads of this that need to be covered? And we're not getting honest and truthful answers from
this administration. You know, it's a complex question. Just today in federal court here in
Washington, DC, the New York Times was heard about a lawsuit that is brought against the Pentagon
to try and restore press credentials. The judge was pretty skeptical of Pete Hexeth's
media strategy. The judge basically said it is not illegal in this country to ask a question.
And that is what reporters do. Have reporters in the last month, months since they've been
essentially kicked out of the Pentagon, done the very best they can. They have. They've broken
amazing stories. They continue to report because people in the US military and the US government,
they're thankfully there are still plenty of people who want to speak truth, who want to explain
what is happening and want to do it in a truthful manner. It will be interesting if the judge
rules in favor of the press corps, what happens next and whether Hexeth will have to let the press
corps back in and whether there will be more opportunity for him to choose to be flippant or
potentially, and I doubt it, choose to be honest, forthright, and candid in a sober manner which
the situation demands. I think that basically it will be a very changed atmosphere until Trump
is out of office. Sadly, I think that is the case. And Pete Hexeth is going to continue to be
the secretary of defense. I am so grateful to both of you for being here and reminding people of
what's important and thank you for your service in very different ways. I really appreciate it.
Thank you again. Thank you.
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die-hard Republican wants to subpoena her. Congressman Joe Negus just helped China spotlight on that
scandal that sealed that Kristina's fate and he joins me next.
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It's only been a day since Trump fired his DHS secretary, Christina. But already the gloves
are off, the knives are out, the sharks are circling. Suddenly, people who might have been
hesitant to criticize no, while she was in Trump's cabinet. Suddenly, they have found their voices.
Behind the scenes, the president was not happy with no. A source close to him told me yesterday,
quote, it was a combination of her many unfortunate leadership failures, from Minnesota to the
ad campaign to the allegations of an affair. Well, listen, everybody, a lot of people knew about
a relationship. I personally, I think, look, the $200 million contract, A, I haven't heard
anything quite that stupid in some time coming out of Washington, DC, which is saying a lot.
But I think that is more than just a tabloid story. I think someone needs to look into that.
Do you think there should be an investigation launched into Christina?
I do, and now that I have more of this information, I think that we need to go back to potential
subpoena for her through the oversight. There was one failed on, I guess a day or two ago, but I
didn't have all the information. I would have, now that I know what I know now, I would have voted
to subpoena her. To be clear, that story has been out for several months, but that was Republican
Congresswoman Nancy May saying that she wants to subpoena Christina now. And well, there are a
lot of no scandals worth investigating. The one that was reportedly the straw that broke the
camel's back, centered around ads like this one I'm showing you now is part of a $220 million
ad campaign. The more than anything else seemed to promote Christina and herself,
while financially benefiting the husband of one of her closest aides.
Now, earlier this week, lawmakers press know not just on that questionable use of taxpayer money,
but on how a $143 million contract to make some of those ads ended up going to a company that
ended up subcontracting and paying a business that had personal ties to gnome herself.
Do you know, just by way of example, whether this company that received $143 million in taxpayer
dollars, has it ever done work for the government before? I don't know, I can't. The answer is it
has not. And do you know why we know that? Because it was incorporated eight days, eight days before
this contract went out. There you go. That mystery company that Congressman Jonah Goose pressed
gnome about this week, it turns out that $143 million contract may not be the only money gnome
allegedly pushed its way. I mean, just as we were learning that gnome was out of a job yesterday,
suddenly some folks within the Trump administration thought it was time to talk to the press.
And while MSNOT was not independently confirmed this reporting, yesterday Trump administration
officials told NBC News that Christie gnome personally hand picked contractors for a different
$100 million ad campaign. And wouldn't you know it? She picked the same firm that somehow got
that $143 million contract. And the other firm that somehow got the rest of that $220 million
contract. What are the odds? Now, in a statement to NBC News, a spokesperson for DHS said that the
decisions about this $100 million contract were made by the ICE director's office, not gnome.
But three administration officials said that the ICE director had nothing to do with it. They say
it was all Christie gnome. Everyone's finding their voices these days. Joining me now is
Congressman Jonah Goose, a member of the House Judiciary Committee which oversees the Department
of Homeland Security. It's great to see what a week in the life of Christie gnome and the life
of so many people. I mean, your colleagues in Congress are now, I just played, are calling for
gnome to face a perjury investigation for potentially lying to Congress, a corruption investigation
to look into the legality of the ad contracts I just talked about. And even a potential push for
impeachment to bar gnome from holding public office in the future. There is a lot that just
happened over the last few days. What in your view? I mean, you were one of the people we just
played at who pressed gnome the other day. What does accountability look like to you here?
Well, that's good to you with you, Jen. First, I would say better late than never with respect to
those Republican colleagues of mine that you showed that finally have apparently seen the light
and realized that the corruption that Secretary gnome was engaged in as Secretary of the Homeland
Security was deeply offensive to each and every American. To me, I mean, of course, accountability
includes her termination. And I am hardened by the fact that she will no longer be leading the
department. But that's the first step. It can't be the last step. The reality is, and you
articulated well, and of the twists and turns in particular with respect to the $200 million ad
campaign, I believe that ultimately when the evidence eventually comes to light that there were
laws violated federal procurement laws, conflict of interest laws, and of course, potentially
civil and criminal penalties that could attach. So it's going to be very critical for us to get to
the bottom of it. We're working with course with our colleagues in the Senate and doing what we
can to ultimately implore the inspector general in the Department of Homeland Security to investigate
these matters as well. As you know, Secretary gnome was working visiferously hard to stop the
inspector general from investigating anything. I suspect that that is going to change here in the
coming weeks. I plead a clip of Republican Nancy May as one of these people saying, and you
just reference the inspector general, and there's lots of paths here. But Nancy was saying to her
that she wants just to pin a gnome to find out more about how these $100 million ad contracts were
given out. There are a lot of paths. What is the best path in your view? So the inspector general
is issuing a subpoena to gnome. Tell us about what the best path for. The fastest path forward
here I guess is. Yeah, I mean, there are a number of ways to pursue accountability. So first and
foremost, it is very clear based off what we've seen in public reporting that Secretary gnome lied
before the Senate and House judiciary committees. And you've already seen a number of senators come
out and essentially intimate that she may have committed perjury. Of course, with this Department
of Justice, very unlikely that you're going to see any potential consequences in that regard.
I think that a subpoena of Secretary gnome and frankly, subpoenas with respect to these other
companies, you know, the shell corporations that we exposed and pro-publica and other organizations
have exposed over the course of the last several months. So we can get to the bottom of where
this $220 million went. I think that there's a tendency, of course, you know, this gen, you know,
in Washington to kind of overcomplicate some of the developments in particular, as it relates
to oversight. But this is pretty simple. I mean, you're just fundamentally talking about
public figures, government actors, steering massive amounts of taxpayer dollars to political allies.
That's it. It is grifting and fraud and corruption. You know, you can sort of pick the phrase,
but fundamentally, it's treating taxpayer money as though it is their own. And all while Americans
are struggling right now to make it the worst job numbers that we've seen since COVID just yesterday
announced. So yeah, I think there are a number of different ways to pursue accountability and
I'm certainly going to be supportive of that. One of the lessons from this week, I hope people take
away is that there can be effective and aggressive pressing from members of Congress and hearings,
activism out there to really raise the light and attention. I mean, it was Trump who fired her,
but still is there who's next on the list of cabinet members? It's quite a competition out there
in that clown car, but who's next on your list of people that you want to be seen held accountable?
Yeah, well, first I would say, Jay, it's still kind of unclear as to the ultimate reasons that
President Trump made that decision. It may be that the corruption the Secretary Nome was engaged
and embarrassed him. It may be that he was envious of it. I mean, the reality is the administration,
he and his family are engaged in all kinds of corruption. They're making hundreds of millions
of dollars, billions of dollars through crypto schemes and all the likes. So in any event,
I would say that with respect to the other members of his cabinet, you have a number of individuals
who, again, I believe are engaged in self-dealing. You have to go back to the teapot dome scandal
of the 1920s to find a cabinet, a presidential cabinet more engulfed in corruption than this one.
So I imagine that there's going to be some very rigorous oversight from Ranking Member Raskin,
of course, Ranking Member Garcia, both of whom you've had on your program as we try to get to the
bottom of a corruption that's pervasive in Washington, D.C. under Donald Trump.
No shortage of options, I think, is what I'm hearing from you, Congressman Jonah. It's always
great talking to you. Thank you so much. Okay, so the Justice Department finally releases documents
related to a sexual abuse allegation against Donald Trump, but some of the documents are still missing.
Isn't that the most predictable thing ever? Senator Seldon Whitehouse joins me when we come back.
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As much as Trump's Justice Department under attorney general Pam Bondi tries to insist it
released all of the Epstein files and that there's nothing left to see here, there are still
missing pages. A lot of them. We don't know exactly how many pages are missing, but according to
analysis by national public radio, at least 53 pages of FBI witness statements were not published
in the original release. And late yesterday, the Justice Department released 16 of those missing
pages consisting of a series of FBI interviews conducted in 2019 with an Epstein accuser who
also made an allegation that she was forced into sexual acts with Donald Trump when she was
between 13 and 15 years old in the early 1980s. It's unclear how fully the FBI investigated her
claims or whether they made an assessment about the credibility of her accusation. That still
leaves at least 37 missing pages detailing witness interviews according to NPR's math.
And that raises questions for attorney general Pam Bondi.
Questions that I imagine some folks on Capitol Hill would love to ask her.
I mean, we've seen this week with the now ex-homeland security secretary,
Kristi Nome, how it can go when Democrats have the chance to grill a cabinet secretary at a hearing.
The House Oversight Committee voted this week to subpoena Bondi,
but she also answers to the Senate Judiciary Committee. And one of its senior members,
Senator Sheldon White House of Rhode Island, pointed out today that the White House may have given
a signal that Bondi might be heading for the same fate as Nome. He tweeted February 13th,
White House on Nome in a statement, the president continues to have full confidence in the secretary,
March 6th, White House on Bondi, in a statement the president has full faith in the attorney general.
Start the clock. Well joining me now is that Democratic Senator Sheldon White House of Rhode
Island, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator, I'm so glad you're here since you've
gone so deep into the many connections here and are great at connecting the dots.
When you hear about there being at least 37 missing pages, we don't know within them,
but where does your mind go about why they were withheld?
Well you've got to start with the fact that the documents that were withheld that were just released,
were four FBI, what they call 302s, the interview summaries that they do.
And they said that they held them back because they were duplicative, they've admitted that they
were mistaken about that. And it's very suspicious that these three documents were held back as
being duplicative when they also happened to be the three documents in which a 14-year-old,
roughly young girl tells the FBI that she was sexually assaulted and physically assaulted by
Donald Trump. They were actually four 302s and they released the one that didn't mention Trump
and held back the other three. So they're off to a really bad start. A 302 is the summary of
investigative notes and the remaining 37 pages are probably the actual notes of the FBI agents.
And that is a considerable trove of information that ought to be released and we're going to
continue to pursue it. What's particularly notable is that that last FBI 302 invited this witness
to come back and tell them more. So not only was her credibility established by the fact that they
spoke to her once, twice, a third time, a fourth time, but they wanted to speak to her even more.
And she described a threat environment that made her not want to testify any further. But she was
clearly a credible witness to the FBI. So much more to learn here. Let me ask you about attorney
general Bondi. I did appreciate your post earlier today. It made me chuckle a little bit. But the
House overstate committee has voted to subpoena attorney general Bondi. The Senate Judiciary Committee
has also has the power to question Bondi and the Justice Department. You don't have the
power to call witnesses, but a lot of democratic voices are preparing for accountability.
What can you do right now to hold people accountable who are blocking these files from coming out?
I know you've done so much. You've talked publicly. You gave an incredible speech the other day.
But for people out there who were so frustrated, what else can you do?
Yeah, well, the first thing obviously is for Pambondi to have to face the House under subpoena
with both Republicans and Democrats irritated with her over the mess that she has made
of the Epstein files from the very beginning when she said they were all on her desk and then she
had the phony baloney binders that disappointed the Epstein advocate so badly all the way through to
this weird non-release of the Trump-related documents that puts a spotlight on them.
She's not going to be able to get away in front of the House where Republicans and Democrats
were both irritated with the kind of behavior that she showed in the Senate where she just came
in with an insult list and read insults of Democratic senators and the Republicans
let her get away with it. So she's in for a very rough road, I think, in the House and then we'll see
where we go from there. With respect to the speech, I'd say that we've looked at Trump Russia,
which Trump says is a hoax, which is his tell word for when it's true, and these files lay out
Trump Epstein hugely with hundreds of thousands of mentions of Trump and the Epstein files,
but there's also Epstein Russia. And I think if you really want to understand this whole saga,
you've got to look at all three pieces, Trump Russia Epstein, or maybe it's Trump Epstein Russia,
and so I'm encouraging the press and the investigators like Roger Salenberger who've done such good
work here to keep digging because we want to make sure we see the whole picture and the whole picture
is Trump and Russia and Epstein. You always tell us to follow the money and we know this is global.
Thank you as always for being here and continuing to educate us and raise the alarm on all of these
issues. Thank you again, Senator Whitehouse. Okay, next if you want to understand the absolute
political messed Republicans are in right now, boy do I have a story for you. We'll be right back.
You've probably heard a lot about Texas primary races this week. We've talked a lot about it,
but here's one that may have flown under your radar. The Republican primary race in Texas is 23rd
District, which is currently represented by Republican Congressman Tony Gonzalez. Now Gonzalez'
name has come up a lot since last year. After one of his female staffers tragically took
her own life, and afterwards reports came out that Gonzalez and his staffer had been having a
long-term extramarital affair, and at that time, the congressman said the rumors were completely
untruthful. But his claim completely fell apart after texts between the two surface just last month,
showing that Gonzalez had pursued a sexual relationship with his female staffer. Now since then,
Gonzalez has faced mounting pressure to step down, even from some Republicans, on Tuesday,
Republican primary voters forced Gonzalez into a runoff. He actually ran about a point in a half
behind his main challenger. Then on Wednesday, when Gonzalez learned he will face an ethics
committee investigation, he finally admitted to the affair. And then just last night,
he announced that he will not seek reelection in November and dropped out of that primary runoff.
Now, you might hear Republicans out there breathing aside big sigh of relief. That's such a toxic
candidate has finally stepped out of what will likely be a very tough midterm for the party. Even in
Texas, actually, Texas could be pretty key. But wait till you meet his replacement. The guy who
is now the Republican Congressional candidate in Texas 23, this guy, Brandon Herrera, a far-right gun
fanatic YouTuber who calls himself the AK guy, now to get a sense of how extreme the AK guy is.
In one of his YouTube videos, he reviewed a submachine gun developed and used in Nazi Germany,
where he joked that the weapon was the original ghetto blaster and Hitler's street sweeper.
And even Goose stepped in a montage set to a song popularized by the Nazis. You can see him right
there. There is the nominee for Texas 23 in the Republican Party. Now Herrera has said this is
all part of his dark humor. That's all it is. Even just today, he defended that video saying,
I stand by it. This S was funny as hell. Was it? You got to hand it to Texas Republicans. I mean,
they have a deep bench of problematic candidates. There's always one waiting in the wings,
doesn't it seem that way? And that's one lesson here. The other lesson is that Republicans should
be very, very worried about what's happening in Texas. We'll be right back.
Okay, a quick note before we go. I had major general Paul Eaton on earlier who used the word
dementia about Donald Trump. And I just want to be clear that none of us are doctors. None of us
are trying to diagnose anyone. But right now, Donald Trump is obviously talking about this war
with Iran with an incredible amount of nonchalance and flippancy in a way that should be very
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