Psychiatrist Spots a Major Problem w/ Lindsay Clancy's Defense | Hannah Spier

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1:00I think we're really seeing here what has happened because the field has really been influenced so much by gyneocentrism and by feminist ideologies in here. This is exactly what we would expect to happen when ideologies clash with facts. We see again and again how different categories of mental disorders are bent out of shape to include more women under their umbrella to say this is not misbehavior, this is not poor socialization, this is a mental disorder. And now we're seeing this, exactly this happened to postpartum psychosis. And this reaction we're seeing now in social media where women are hurting their own children to signal, look how much we are suffering under motherhood. We are all in sicklancy throwing water on their baby

2:03so they're screaming, like, look how common it is. You're just not seeing us. We're so oppressed. This is the pathologization of motherhood that's really showing us this dark path that we are being led down as a society. All right, this is the Ruben Report. I'm Dave Ruben and joining me today is a Norwegian psychiatrist and cognitive behavioral psychotherapist as well as host of the Psycho Babel podcast, Hannah Speer. Hannah, nice to meet you. Good to be here, Dave. Thank you so much. So as you know, I was off for all of August and I just very quickly this week got caught up on all the news that I missed. And of course, the story that you've been focusing mostly on on your show over the last little bit has been this horrific murder of these three small children.

3:05The fallout, I would say, from men, from women, from the media, who's to blame, how did this all happen and everything else? So I thought maybe we could start because you've covered this so extensively. If you want to give me a two-minute recap of sort of everything in terms of how this all happened and then we can talk about medications, we can talk about therapy, we can talk about some of the reactions, some of the media stuff as well. But for the people that really haven't played along too much, can we just start at the beginning for a moment? Yes, of course. So we're following Lindsey Clancy and the facts are that on January 24th of 2023, she sent her husband on two errands to create a window of about 20 to 30 minutes where she then took three kids. She took each one into the basement and strangled them

4:08with an exercise band fitting their size. And then she proceeded to cut her wrists shallily and jump out the second story window and was paralyzed from the waist down. And she claims in the aftermath that she heard commanding male commanding voices telling her to kill the children. And what we know is that she was in treatments for the four months prior. She was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and sleep problems. And she was on 13 different types of medications over four months, not all at the same time. And they proved that she didn't ingest all of the prescribed medications. And so the trial is going on. We're following her and what has really shocked me and why I took up this case was really the reaction

5:12that we're seeing from women, not just in the US, also here in Europe. They're posting on social media two days after they already started hashtag ice dad with Lindsay Clancy not knowing really anything. So that is what what's shocked me. Okay, so I do want to spend a portion of this talking about that reaction. And that's what got my guys attention to you in the way you were covering some of the reaction, particularly from women. And as you said, it's worldwide, not just in the US. But I want to back up on a few other things. So, okay, so she had generalized anxiety disorder. She obviously had postpartum depression. There were 13 medications, which if I understand correctly, were prescribed by a series of different doctors. And it was a little unclear as to whether she was taking them all appropriately or had tried to stop taking some of them. Maybe you know a little bit more on that. But it sounds like it was a little bit of mismatched stuff with some of that. Hold on. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot here. I don't want it. Yeah. Go ahead. The postpartum depression,

6:13they have put on retrospectively. That was not one of the diagnosis or psychiatrists had put before this trial began. Interesting. Okay, so she had generalized anxiety disorder and sleep issues. That's what she was being prescribed medication for. Not for postpartum depression. That wasn't until the trial began. Did I get that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay, so that's actually rather extraordinary and a seemingly important piece of the puzzle. So when did this fully get on your radar? Was it when you started seeing some of the media and largely female reaction to this? Yes, because I thought that this seemed like a straightforward case. And then I started seeing the hashtag I stand with Lindsay Clancy. I started seeing sort of my colleagues what they were posting about it. Coming up with all of these new, what was to me new definitions of postpartum psychosis?

7:13Because that is, I think, the most important thing here to distinguish because we're talking now a lot about postpartum depression and what she has to have had to be found not guilty by reason of insanity is postpartum psychosis. And that is so why in the video that I made, I put so much attention to what a psychotic person actually looks like because people don't know that. And that is where we should put our attention. So I started with... Yes, can you explain that a bit more before we move forward? Yes. So a psychosis is by definition someone who is highly disorganized, who has delusions, hallucinations, not always, but it is a core symptom, but disorganized speech and being incoherent. They have so much sensory input that when you are talking to them, it feels like they're having conversations with many different people.

8:16Maybe not in the same room, maybe not alone with them in the room. Like that is what it feels like to you. They're looking around. They're very distracted, very disorganized. And so the video that I showed was a person who was quite coherent, not in the middle of a Florida psychosis. And here we're talking about a woman who was in such a Florida psychosis that she killed her three children, one of them a baby. So we're not talking about something that was in the beginning stages. And she's now claiming that she only heard those commanding voices for the 18 minutes it took to kill the kids. And that is also that, I mean, that's something no one has seen before in that case. It doesn't take, you know, you have hallucinations for a period of time. So brief psychotic disorder is definitionally at least a day. So I found it strange that her husband, who knew her the best, would not have noticed anything.

9:17She talked to her psychiatrist the day before, who also knew her. They didn't see any signs of this floored psychosis that would make her lethal. And so my colleagues were all posting that, well, you know, a postpartum psychosis, it can wax and wane and you can seem normal one minute and then be psychotic the next. And so I thought, oh, here again, they are changing the definitions to excuse female behavior. And that is what I'm writing about in the first place, which is why I took notice of this case. Right. Okay. So that seems to be the crux of it now and where people are kind of taking sides on an unbelievably horrific and tragic event here. So if the psychiatrist the day before and the husband and the day is leading up to this didn't see anything different. And that's not to say she was in great shape, obviously, right? Because she was on all of these medications and we talked about generalized anxiety, disorder and sleep stuff. But that there was no real psychosis, which is what you're saying.

10:17Then what, what, are you saying this is purely from your point of view? Do you think this is purely a legal defense that they are trying to use or is something else going on here? It's, it does, I don't see any psychiatric evidence to be close to believing that she had a psychotic... I knew about investing, but I really didn't know how to go about it. Meet Corey, a wealth-front client since 2011. When I set up wealth-front, it asked me, what are you saving for? Buying a house, college for our kids had worked really hard and did not want to waste it or risk it all. With wealth-front, it could put money in and it would automatically distribute it into a diversified portfolio. Then it starts to compound, the compounding compounds on the compounding. It's just cool to see it working on autopilot. That's probably the best part. Just let it run and it's great. In just minutes, get a globally diversified portfolio that's automatically managed for you and designed to perform in any market. You'll join over one million people who already trust wealth-front to save an invest.

11:20Starting is easy, at wealthfront.com. Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial creating a conflict of interest, outcomes vary. Investment Management and Advisory Services provided by Welfront Advisors LLC, an SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves risk to principle regardless of the strategy used. Pass performance does not guarantee future results. This is so. Also, in that there was obviously a premeditated notion here in that she sent her husband out and had a planned way of killing him. That you're saying that wouldn't be congruent with psychosis. That you're able to plan like that to time. She timed the errands so she sent him on two different errands to make sure that there was enough time. I have never met a psychotic person who would be able to do that. That is very, and that is also what the forensic psychiatrist testified in court that this would be highly unusual.

12:24You mentioned colleagues a couple of times. What do you think is happening in the psychiatric community that is lending certain people to say this is psychosis when it is not? I suspect this has more to do with women's issues or feminism would be my guess. Yes, I think we're really seeing here what has happened because the field has really been influenced so much by gyneocentrism and by feminist ideologies. This is exactly what we would expect to happen when ideologies clash with facts. We see again and again how different categories of mental disorders are bent out of shape to include more women under their umbrella to say this is not misbehavior. This is not poor socialization. This is a mental disorder.

13:24We are seeing this exactly this happened to postpartum psychosis and this reaction we are seeing now on social media where women are hurting their own children to signal, look how much we are suffering under motherhood. We are all in cyclancy throwing water on their babies so they are screaming, like look how common it is. You are just not seeing us. We are so oppressed. This is the pathologization of motherhood that is really showing us this dark path that we are being led down as a society. For people that aren't sure what you are talking about, they are literally trends now on TikTok where women are harming their children, either throwing hot water on them or a series of other things because the basic they are trying to get sympathy from other people in effect. They are somehow there in the victims in all of this. Are you shocked by this? It sounds like my sense is that you have been tracking this for a while and you are not fully shocked in a field that has been so infected by these ideas.

14:31I am monitoring many situations because I am horrified. I loved psychiatry when I went into it. My first job was in a locked word for the criminal you were saying and I thought yes this is it. This is where I belong. Slowly but steadily I saw how the field has been corrupted and how we are just at the mercy of all this feminization and feminist ideology just will not tell the truth in so many cases. I started working with a lot of women and the outpatient clinics. That is when you see a lot of women and you are just not able to tell anyone that you know no. I don't think you have a mental disorder. There are so many of these things so I am tracking it but this has truly shocked me. How eager they are to be victims. How aggressively they protect that victimhood so aggressively in fact that they will hurt their own children in front of a camera.

15:36That is next level. What is it that you think actually happened to her then? If she didn't have a, I understand that the premeditation part of this and everything else you said that doesn't lend itself to psychosis then what is it that happened that led to this? Is this a combination of 13 drugs and being misprescribed things and a series of other things like what do you think actually got it to this point? Right. I mean of course the medication that wasn't good practice. It is sadly standard practice. If you go into the guidelines of the APA you will find this message recommended. You go from one to the other if it doesn't work and then you put all you know augment the therapy you put on a second and the third. I have had a lot of patients on the same combination so I wasn't shocked at all to see to see this. But I think you know that there are there are psychopathic women just like there are psychopathic men and you know that gets triggered as well.

16:44And half of the filisides in the US are done by women that is not uncommon. There is something we've seen before which we just refused to see it as it is. Look look if this had been a father. A father had murdered his three children. We would not see a sea of men wearing balloons standing outside of the courtroom doing strangle hands. Because we are perfectly aware that there is such a thing as male psychopaths. And an equal amount of women commit the same kind of crime. Filisides murdering your kids. So what do you think the average not the psychotherapist or someone in the field but the average woman who is outside protesting for her? What do you think it is that they want to happen here exactly? Is it that they want her to go free? They want her to just spend time in an institution rather than jail? Is that secondary to something else?

17:52I don't think that this is out of empathy for Lindsay. I don't think they care at all about her or her kids. Because look how easily they can harm their own children. I don't think they care a lick about Lindsay Clancy. I think this is a protection of their own victimhood. They want to be seen. They have this imaginary thing of women as a group or victims. And that victimhood has to be protected at any cost. And that means showing up there. I think it helps that Lindsay Clancy is an attractive young mother. I think that helps. But I think we're going to see more and more of this. That's definitely true. But I don't think it has to do with Lindsay Clancy specifically. I think they want her to go free just because they want female behavior of any kind to be excused and treated exactly how they wanted to be treated. It's about obedience to the female cause.

18:54Okay. So from a psychiatric perspective, how would you put a side Lindsay for a second? How would you take one of those women who are clearly misguided in what they are trying to accomplish or their need for victimhood or however you want to call it? How would you try to wean them off that? Oh, yes. Can you cure a feminist? Good title for a book. It's all yours. It's all yours. Yes. Is that possible? They need a cause. Right? They need to purpose. Just like men need a person purpose. And we are talking about that a lot. The crisis of young men. There's also a crisis among young women or not so young anymore women. And I'm not ashamed to say that for and that's from a psychiatric point of view. For most women that purpose is motherhood.

19:59And there is a very small subset of women for whom that is not the case that the maternal instinct is not very strong. I've met those women. They are rare. For most women that is our purpose and that's not fulfilled to the degree we need it to be filled. Then something happens. And it is so I mean it's so tempting for all of us right to to feel that victim. I would sorry for me and that is that is a temptation for for everyone and for women. It is so easy to grab. It's you can find a cause anywhere for victimhood. What do you think this is going to do to male female relations as men watch these types of women. You know sort of defend the unthinkable and place victimhood at the highest order. And I just don't see how if you were a young man and you met a woman. How you who was even remotely close to any of these ideas. How you could ever trust her. I mean it's just an unbelievably horrific situation that's been thrust upon us.

20:59Yeah. We're already seeing this trend of young men breaking up with their girlfriends and posting that online. That you know if you're supporting Lindsey Clancy that is not a quality I see in the future mother of my children. And the girlfriends and being horrified and they're posting it in many cases. Like look look you broke up with me because of this and they don't understand it. There's already such a gap between between young men and women now. Them not finding each other. And I think I think it's very hard for men. And I do think that there is a sort of epidemic of these types of pathologies in women. Cluster beef pathologies of borderline and narcissism and among women that were not paying close enough attention to. We've really let it spiral. And I think men are sensing that it's hard to find a woman who is willing to sacrifice and want to sacrifice for family. I do think that's what men are noticing now. That's some of what I do. I try to help men young men screen for that when they're dating.

22:08What are some of those techniques in the screening process? Right to ask about her family. Ask if she's had long term relationships. Female friends to date girls that are in the community where the community can you know they can vouch for her because women who. 10 towards these sort of cluster B traits they they're female predators so they go through a community. I knew about investing but I really didn't know how to go about it. Meet Corey, a wealthfront client. With wealthfront it could put money in and it would automatically distribute it into a diversified portfolio. Then it starts to compound. The compounding compounds on the compounding just let it run and it's great. Over 1 million clients trust wealthfront. Get started at wealthfront.com. Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial creating a conflict of interest. Outcomes very. Investment management and advisory services provided by wealthfront advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves risked a principle regardless of the strategy used. Task performance does not guarantee future results. They've firm bridges and so people around will know. Such techniques like that. What do you ask a girl for?

23:15What do you want to look for on her social media? How do you find a woman who would sacrifice for a future family? How much of this do you think is just sort of the state of where we're at? Kind of this stage of the internet. We're 20 years into social media. You know, it's a generation of mothers that now grew up with everything being public and filtered Instagram pictures and nobody can look perfect. And they can actually get likes off of their whatever their pain might be or insecurities etc. etc. I think social media definitely amplified what was already so and bifeminism. All of this grievance culture that we have that women grew up with that already started in the 70s. So women were already told by Andrea Dworkin that they live in a culture that hates them. So I don't think social media is a very popular culprit now, but I think it's too convenient.

24:17It just amplified what was already there. So what do you think the whole theist resolution of the case maybe? I should note that we're taping this on Thursday afternoon. Obviously the court case has been hung up and I know you're not a legal expert, but psychologically for everyone involved here and society at large. What do you think the healthiest solution is now? Yeah, I mean, maybe a bit pessimistic, but I think with nine women on the jury, I think she will walk free. Even if she is found not guilty by a reason of insanity, that will be at the mercy of a psychiatrist who will let her go when he finds out when he finds that that's responsible.

25:17I think I looked at the average is something like three and a half years for women. So even if she's found not guilty by a reason of insanity, that's what we're looking at. So eventually she will go free. This will be, we will at the next case see more pressure. We'll see more women standing outside and intimidating the jury. They see that it works. I mean, the jury should have been sequestered from the beginning. So all right, so that was the, I don't think that was the healthiest answer. So what would the healthiest answer be? Not what you think might happen. I understand that. I understand that and my sense is that you're probably, you're probably right about that. But no, no, no, no, no, no, you gave me the realist answer. That's one version of it and that's likely what will happen. But what do you think the sort of healthiest for society? Is it that she has to go to jail for a long time and does that then show some consequences to this and maybe push back on some of the bad ideas that these people have, that these women have ingested?

26:23Yes, that would have been, that we see that this is, that women can also, to evil and women commit crimes and violence at the same rates as men. That is really a truth that we have to, to be open-eyed about. And the data on that is clear. We just, you know, we see the most visible crime. But, you know, look at crime and violence against kids and elderly. That is very much perpetrated by women at equal rates. So sometimes it's higher, the female perpetrators, if you look at that. So that would be a great start to seeing that. Yes, women can also be evil and women can also want to get out of situations that they no longer will be in and they can deal with resentment and, you know, so that would, that would be a good start. We just, we just have to change our view on what women are capable of. Well, you've done, as I think you've illustrated here, you've done a really nice job talking about this from, from the psychological perspective and people can check out your channel.

27:29It's called Psycho Babel on YouTube and I'm sure on some of the other platforms as well. And I'd love to have you back maybe, maybe after we get the resolution here and we can talk about what some of the fallout will be. So Hannah, thank you for your time. Thank you so much Dave. Do you hear that? That's how I'm right. That means that summer is officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better tree. Every plan, including unlimited, is $15 a month. And unlike Ice Cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture. Does anyone have any cash? Give it a try at MintMobile.com slash switch. A front payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months, or $180 for 12 month plan required, $15 a month equivalent to Texas and P's Extra. New customer offer for initial plan term only, greater than 50 gigabytes, me slow and network is busy, see terms. At my bank, I was literally getting pennies using wall fronts, chitching, meat Angela, a wealth-front cash account client since 2023. It left my job not having something else lined up yet. I was pregnant with my second.

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