Pt 2: ‘I Love Having ADHD’ | Matt Edmondson

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2:01Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan. Hello and welcome to part 2 of the Stompcast. Matt and I have had a nice little chillax in a sit down. It is lovely stomping. It's also quite nice to sit and watch the world go by. In this part, I really want to talk to you about ADHD. Particularly, I'd like to hear why and how you eventually went to get diagnosed. As I say, it's really interesting that Toddler T is actually like a connection between us and the story. How many people have been diagnosed because of Toddler T? I know. I had always had lots of anxiety. I had always had episodes of depression. There weren't a sort of crushingly low as I've seen in other people, but were pretty bad. It knocked me off my feet a bit. But then I would also have these sort of times of real vivacious kind of like love of life, full of productivity.

3:14And when I was in full of productivity times, I thought, it's fine. It was because of that event that I felt like that. I was sort of put it on something external. Which often would trigger it, but no one should be kind of in that depressive headspace for the amount of time that I was. What do you look like for you? A lot of worrying. A lot of anxiety. A lot of catatarization. Kind of watery. Going, oh, if this thing happens, that's going to happen. Oh God, what's going to happen there? Just getting really, really swept up in negative thinking. It's like having the angel on the devil on your shoulder. It's like having a very loud arsehole that lives on your shoulder that's like everything's bad. Nothing's going to work. Everything's going to be horrendous. And so it's sort of being sucked into a repetitive, inescapable, negative way of thinking. And then that filters into, you know, you're not sleeping well.

4:16You're not having got motivation to kind of get up and do anything. All the way through, I could always work, which result. And there was often a, you know, I remember days where I just felt so low. But I'd go in and do the radio show. And the minute the fader was up, I was like, oh, it's gone. Do you find it interesting there that sometimes like, you know, you are clearly a very funny person. You're very charismatic. Isn't it interesting that sometimes those the biggest smart can suffer, in sufferably a bit? It's just a great level. And yet still show up. Yeah. You're showing up not just a level of sitting in an office and kind of, yeah, how are you doing? You're actually, you have, there's an energy that is required to perform. Yeah. And you're still showing up with that. But that energy actually was almost healing. Like I, it was, it was the only times really in that where I felt not bogged down by it. And so I eventually went to see a doctor. And he said, have you heard of this thing called cyclothymia? And I was like, obviously not. No one hears.

5:16And he'd sort of described it as almost like bipolar light, you know. If bipolar is depressive episodes that can lead to suicide and on the other side of it, the sort of mania that leads to risky unpredictable behavior, it was kind of the, you know, it was some way in from that. So your depression was never that bad. And the sort of hyperactivity was never that bad. Certainly for me it manifests it like most of the good things in my life have come from that hyperactivity. And just hearing that and going, oh, I'm kind of on this undulating cycle of up, down, up, down, up, down. And actually going into and up, I would, the harder I went into the up, the harder the down would be. And so just going, oh, I reckon I can recognise actually that I've got that feeling of like, I need to go and do that thing now. And actually if I can just resist it and come to it at a time where it's not been driven by whatever that manic energy is, then which is very hard.

6:19It's like walking past the open gates of Disneyland and someone saying, come on in! The ice cream's free and you're going, no, no, because the ice cream will lead to the funny tummy tomorrow, yeah. So just having an awareness of that was really good. But there was always something, something I couldn't quite put my finger on with the way I saw the world, or the way I interacted with the world. And it was, it often came up in the dynamics of my relationship with my wife, and she would say like, you've left a jumper on that chair for four weeks and you're going to move it. And I'd be like, didn't know it was there. And then she pointed it and I'd be like, well, obviously I can see it there now. And it does belong to me. But I was like, but honestly, I didn't see it. And she was like, I can't, I can't believe that. And there were many instances of that and time keeping and all sorts of stuff.

7:19Anyway, I just thought, I think I thought everyone thought like me. And then I listened to Todd a T being interviewed by his wife, Annie Mack, on her podcast. And he spoke about being diagnosed with ADHD. And as he was describing all of the things that led him to that discovery about himself, I was like, sorry, is that not everybody? Yeah. And that's a classic thing that people autistic ADHD says that everyone thinks like this. But that's the kind of point because you think like that. You assume everybody else does that. And it's like, yeah, that's the point. Well, I noticed that people weren't necessarily like, they didn't get the hype-focused thing that comes with ADHD. I kind of knew that like, oh, that's the thing that I can do that not everyone can. But I just thought that was a personality trait. But yeah, I listened to it and I was like, this is crazy. I think I might, I think this is what I'm not. How old are you at this point? 35. Yeah.

8:19And you're 40 now. Yeah. I was like, it might answer so many questions for me about my life. You're diagnosed at a pretty similar distance. Oh, we're probably the same. When are you diagnosed? What year do you remember? Well, it would have been, what has been 2020? Five years ago. Yeah. 2021, yeah. Yeah. And I, so I immediately messaged Annie Mack and said, just as the podcast, I think I've got ADHD. What do I do? And she said, oh, you need to go and get, you know, speak to a specialist and get, get tested. And I couldn't do it quick enough. I was like, I'm true ADHD. Yeah. I got to go and do it. And I went for the assessment and it was a really comprehensive assessment. And can I tell you Alex, I loved it. It's so fun. Because they just make you do little games, little tasks. Yeah. I loved it. Did you get combined assessment for autism as well? I did. Yeah. And they said you were ADHD- Yeah. Although I was diagnosed with autism very recently. I was, I didn't do combine. I just did ADHD and then probably shouldn't combine it.

9:19Yeah. No, I did it. It's like a package. Yeah. It makes sense. No, it makes sense. You can get tested for autism at the same time. It does make sense to do both. Because it's 50% of people. 40% of people will have both. So it's worth doing. So I, yeah, I, I really enjoyed the assessment. It was like genuinely one of my favourite days that whole year. Just like lots of room chatting to this lovely lady playing games. What is this? Where does this thing go? Tell me your own board game. I wish you walked in. I wish you walked in. You should have walked us in. Yeah. So, so you did that. And it, I came out of it and then they called me and said, yeah, you've got ADHD. Which I think I, by that point, knew. But it was just like, finally, oh, okay. It explains so much of who I am. And what it allowed me to do was give myself grace for like, oh, okay. That thing feels hard to me. And that's okay. I don't have to feel less than or like I've, like I'm, you know, not, not being a capable adult.

10:19But it also made me go, okay, there's, there's kind of systems in which I can thrive. And ones where I, where I can't. And in the ones where I can't, I need to figure out some, some, some, you know, scaffolding around that. What kind of scaffolding have you brought in place and stuff? What do you struggle with? Are you mentioned one thing? Well, a few things that you said, time blindness. And I guess perhaps organization or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Little tasks. Yeah, yeah. Basically, if I'm not interested, you're not interested. But if I am interested, it will get done to a superhuman level. So, do you get stung with things like parking fines or like, yeah, the number of overpaid parking. But we did a post of the day called ADHD tax and it's a real thing. 100%. It's a real thing. Booking things too late. Yeah. I'm losing it and having to buy it again. What are the ones we say, Gavin? I can't return on Tuesday. If I buy something online, I can't return. Yes, we're turning. I can't. Do you know what, do you know what's sat by my door? They have to take back and I still have more passes. My uniclo trousers that need to be taken back today or tomorrow. Otherwise, I'm going skiing and I will lose on that 40 credit. Yeah. And you, you're never going to take them back.

11:19Yeah, which is the problem. I, yet, that, that's a big one for me. I, there's, there's a lot of hidden taxes being ADHD. People who get it, get it. You say ADHD that way. Yes. That is actually true. Yeah. So I, I don't have keys to my front door. That's smart. Because that's really smart. I will lose them. Really. So I have hidden on my street a lock box. That only I know where it is. That I have a code for. So when I come home, I have to go and unlock the door and then return, walk to return the key to the lock box. That's quite inconvenient. It isn't convenient, but what's more inconvenient is having to remember my keys every day. I'm going, I've come out without them. There's nothing I can do. Yeah. So I, yeah, don't do that. The main thing, actually, is I find like, replying to emails in credit cards. Yeah. Any kind of correspondence. I tell people, if it's important, do not email me, call me. Yeah. Oh, I love calling. Just call me. I love calling. Don't send me a text. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People hate fun calls these days. I love them. Yeah. And I also like, I find that I do.

12:19And I feel, well, something impacts friendships. I'm really bad at applying to friends. And I think in, like, other spaces people would see it as rude or not caring. It's like, if you catch me at a moment where I'm focused on something, else, unfortunately, if it lands in that moment, I will just see it and then not just forget about it, you know? Well, sometimes I'll reply to it in my head. Yeah, and then not actually. And then think I've dealt with it. Yeah, and not. And it's always that thing, if you know where it's like the smallest jobs can build up and build up and build up and you're like, God, I know you need to do that thing, but it feels so overwhelming. And then when you do it, you're like, oh, it took 10 seconds. It's really interesting that minor tasks for an ADHD only become completed when they become major problems. So it's like, my god, yes. When something gets the point where you actually get stung by the parking fine you didn't pay or like, you're going to fly the next day. That's when you're like, oh, now I need to book my flight. It's great. They're doubles. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the quest for jeopardy often. It's like, what is, give me a motivator for doing this thing.

13:19See, I find logistics hard. Scaffolding for that is I basically have got a found grown-ups that can do lots of this stuff with me. So like, I run a business, run a ball games company. I couldn't run a business on my own. It would be a catastrophe. But I've got a business partner. Now he is creating a different way to me. He's creative with how am I going to get this thing from A to B? We just got this manufactured in this time. He's like logistical genius. But he doesn't necessarily know how to design a box or to come up with a gameplay. He'll have opinions on those things, but he's not like that. That's not where his passion lies. His passion lies in being a businessman. And that's great, because I do the fun bit for me. And he does the fun bit for him. But each other's fun bits feel like torture. And in a relationship sense, ideally in a way, that's where. If you say you've got someone's neurotypical, someone who's a neurodivergent as they need to do, it's like, right, how do we split jobs then?

14:20Responsibilities that will reflect one person's strengths and other person's weaknesses. And even in building a business, my mum, if I didn't actually said to me when I was younger, when you're building a team, because she worked like coaching in that West Bank. And she would say the important thing is to hire people, build teams that cover your weaknesses. So don't hire another person or build a team based on a strength that you see is important. Look for the things that you're not good at or the weak spots. But I found that really, as I built teams, it's really useful to do that, because I basically want everyone else to be able to be better than me. 100% as many things as possible. I like being the least qualified person in any given way. It makes you more comfortable here. I like it. I just let the professionals come and do it. And I see my role as like, OK, I'm the rocket fuel guy. I'm the guy who's going to have the idea and sell it and convince other people to come and do it. But then at the point where anything actually has to get made to a deadline, I step away and let the grown-ups come in. So like, I've got a production company. We make TV shows.

15:21And I've got a guy that I do that with who does all the business side of it. And again, doesn't really care about the creative. But it means I can go into a channel, get a commission, and then go right. Can you figure out how to get this thing made? We sold this idea. Yeah. Lots of how I'm going to do it. But sometimes there is a disconnect between my sense of like, we can do anything. And the reality of whether that thing can be done. We had it recently with, it was just before, it was sort of summer last year. We went and did a board game event for John Lewis. And they stopped quite a few of our games. And they'd stopped a new game called Snap the Difference. And I was speaking to the buyer and I said, you know what would be great. A Christmas version of this. He was like, we'd love that. He said, could we have that as an exclusive of John Lewis? Was that of course you can? Of course. Of course for this Christmas he's like, yeah, yeah. And I went and told Lawrence, my business partner, he was like, okay, I've just so you know, in order for us to do that, we'd have to fly the product in from the factory.

16:21So that's already we've lost money on it. And also, it would have to be ready in four days, because we need to hit close. And I was like, I was like, you're speaking my language, four days. Let's go. And so I made it in four days. And that I loved that. And did you make a profit on it? We will on year two. Okay, fine, that's good. I think we definitely broke even. It does show you need many different minds to make a world. Oh, absolutely, yeah. Hi, this is Hannah Burner from Giggly Squad. Have you ever put on a bra that makes you feel like a goddess? Prepare to be obsessed with the dream angel's wicked broth and Victoria's secret, the iconic brand behind the world's most comfortable bras. And I only wear the most comfortable bras. The best seller features an innovative sling for perfect lift without padding. And the fit is chef's kiss. Awake in your inner goddess with new colors

17:23and super femme lace embroidery. Find out why this bra has thousands of five star reviews and counting. Shop it in stores and online at VictoriaSecret.com. Hi, friends. Sean Lindner from Two Black Guys with Good Credit here. Whether you're running a nonprofit at school or a small business, Walmart Business here to support your mission. They make it easy to order what you need from tech and cleaning supplies to everyday essentials. All at low prices and with helpful tools like spend, tracking, and tax exempt purchasing for eligible organizations. Because when your operations are smooth, your impact can be bigger. Visit business.warmark.com to get started. It is hard sometimes I think when you kind of are diagnosed later in life to realize that things are, for me at least, it's realizing things that are difficult anyway and more difficult than they need to be. And I think life is tough. Like, you know, we can joke and laugh about stuff and that's really important. But there is lots of stuff that's just hard in life and we don't need it to be more difficult. And I wonder, I guess, do you kind of look back

18:25at, say, childhood or the school years? Do you feel that it would have been beneficial for you to be diagnosed later? I know you said the school was, it seemed okay to you. Do you think it'd be useful to know sooner? I don't know. I don't know. I think it definitely would have been useful as I got into my 20s and 30s. Because I think that's when it started to manifest for me. Because as a kid, all hearts have done for you. Your parents are looking after the logistics of your life. You have to remember your bag or whatever. And I found that side of things easy. And I think I had a lot of freedom as a kid to just go off and make what I wanted to make when I wanted to make it. Just always creating things. So I never got confronted with, you know, a council tax bill that I had to pay. And so it wasn't until adulthood struck. I was like, oh God, there's all this fat that's just so boring. But it's almost like the ik, but for, you know, doing everyday tasks. What about the element? The other part of this thing is when someone gets diagnosed in a family of ADHD,

19:26often then that will lead to further diagnosis, like a classically, it'll be like a mother will bring in their child for an autism assessment, for example. And they're like, oh, where's the autism come from? And they're like, oh, well, actually, with your autistic too, it's like, because there's such a genetic component. You mentioned your dad there. Do you think now that you can kind of see the line or lineage of where ADHD has come from? Yeah, I think, I almost certainly had it, I think. Because he passed away when you were young. Yeah, so I was 20 when he died of suicide. And he had, yeah, as I said, like, manic depression, bipolar, exacerbated by being an alcoholic, not a great combo, wouldn't recommend. And he said, yeah, he died when I was 20. That's a lot for someone. At any age, just losing a father's big, but that's a very brutal time of your life. You were talking, basically, you were an interresitional time anyway. Yeah. It's been really hard. Do you have a process that time? So when it happened, I didn't. I'd had a quite bad relation with my dad

20:26from the age of about 16 to 20. We'd fallen out. He behaved in a way that was not good. And there was a sort of rejection there because I wanted him to apologise and he was unable to do so. So eventually, I was the one, I don't know, it must have been like 18 or 19, that went to him and said, this is ridiculous. We've got to sort this out. And I could see at that time that he just was, he was pretty broken. He'd been signed off work. He was in this sort of really depressive state, like the most depressed I've ever seen a person really. And it wasn't until, shortly after that, he left a suicide note and he, I think he was planning to wade into the sea and drown himself. And a massive manhunt occurred and they managed to intercept him.

21:27And we had to have a conversation like, what's going on now? And it's sort of the drinking stuff kind of came out. And I felt a little bit foolish for not realising. I mean, I hadn't lived with him for years at that point. But I felt like, oh, why didn't no one clock this or put two and two together? Because there were so many signs that he was alcoholic that we hadn't picked up on. And so he got into AA and he was kind of doing that, doing okay. But he was, you know, there was some deep, some deep suffering going on. And maybe four months later, he did, he then did die. And I was, I was angry, angry, main emotion anger, like really fucked off with him. Because you were trying to help him. But also like, you know, he's effectively abandoned by mum because he's died.

22:28She found him. No one needs that. He, yeah, I just felt angry about how it all happened. And the way that I processed it was to not. I just bounced back into my life, cracked on, did work, did like, pat loads into my schedule. And I would have maybe, like every year, a cry for like an hour. And then, that'll be it. And the story I told myself was, I didn't really like the guy anyway. It happened. It's sort of nothing's due with me. And then it wasn't until, off the back of, you know, these undulating episodes of depression, I went and got some therapy. And I was like, you know, the first thing they asked me is, tell us about your family structure. And I was like, well, you know, I've got my sister very close with her.

23:29My mum has done the row from me. My dad, he died, he killed himself when I was 20. And they're like, well, that must have been difficult. And I was like, no, no, it's fine. And then they just, like, a couple more questions. And then suddenly it's like, bum. Pandora's box opens. And for the first time, I was able to process all of that in therapy. And it was, my god, was it helpful? And actually, I was doing it during COVID. And I was also, because of ADHD, hyperfocus, trying to learn how to write and produce music from a starting point of zero at that point. I was like, everyone, he's another hobby. And I found myself doing therapy and trying to do this stuff at the same time. And I ended up writing a song, which sounds incredibly melodramatic, but I ended up writing a song that kind of addressed what I'd gone on with my dad. And I wasn't expecting to write it

24:29and sit down to think about doing it. It just sort of happened. And I phoned up a singer that I knew a couple of Amy and said, what do you mind? I've made this thing, can you record it for me? Quite helpful, you've quite a lot of content. A couple of no-couple of singers, isn't it? And I spent like two months making this track. And it was incredibly helpful. And Cathar, like, because I just had to sit and think about it all day every day for about two months. So that was really, I mean, a recommend therapy to anyone that can access it. Give it a try. Because, you know, there's some... You don't really have to stop... It's interesting because when my brother died by suicide, a lot of my response was similar. I kind of like, I actually run my manager two days later. It was like, right, so that book with the middle of writing, I'm just going to go and carry on. And she's like, sorry, what? And I was like, well, what do you mean? I'm not going to stop working. And it was like a natural, it wasn't like I didn't care. It was like you're trying to... I was just trying to say that you're falling into this black pit

25:29and you're trying to let your life is dropping away from you, trying to cling on to any normality. Yeah. And anything that kind of reminds or kind of brings you back to what your previous life was. And it's interesting, isn't it, that you try and do that? And it's not until you actually face it. You think, oh no, I'm not affected. I'm not shocked by anymore. It's okay. But it's just in there, isn't it? And I'm not only when you face it, you realise. But it's hard. Especially with stuff like, for example, alcohol. My granddad was an alcoholic. And I'm certainly had ADHD and potentially autism as well. It's the level of effect that alcohol can have, particularly on the ADHD brain. I got 50% of all adults with ADHD have alcohol misuse disorder or worse or addiction. And it's just like that combination. It's just so damaging to an ADHD mind. And I think that's what I think for me, person, you made the decision and probably I guess perhaps I wonder if it was because of what happened growing up. Not to drink. But like, that's my biggest regret. I wish I'd never drunk. And I think I would have, like, a lot of my biggest mistakes or whatever it would be.

26:29It would be when I was drinking or the damage that caused to my life or derailed me from things that I wanted to do with my life was drink. And I think that for me, not just academic stuff, is one of the big things. I could have prevented a lot of that. Did you have the ability to stop? When I stopped drinking, was it three and a half years ago? I just stopped. I could stop. No, but like, when you were, if you had a drink, no, it couldn't stop. See, I feel like I get a taste of that with sugar. If I have any sugar, I'm like, well, I can test. I can test all of the sugar in the world. So actually, that's actually a good test as to whether someone is likely to. Someone's ability to manage the sugar thing is actually quite strong indicator. Yeah, because if you think of it, it's sugar activates dopamine in similar part of the brain that alcohol does. Yeah. So when they say an addictive personality, it sounds like a personality trait. It's more of a biochemical marker of like, you are more likely. Because someone that's more likely to be addicted to alcohol, be addicted to gambling or to other forms of drugs. Yeah, ADHD is just like,

27:30it's just the craving of dopamine, right? We're just trying to find dopamine all the time. Or try and make up for a lack thereof. But yeah, sugar for me, I'm like, if I have it, that's, I'm gone. And I know that if I drank, I think I'll be like, I'll have another, another, another. I can just see, I can see that I would not be able to rein that in. So I think it's really fortunate that I don't. As a parent, do you, because something I think I don't have children, but I do kind of think about it as like, the chance obviously of them being in a divergence a lot higher. Is that something that you've considered, not that I want you to share about your family's thing? But I'm more thinking of it as a conceptual point. Is it something you thought about with children? Yeah, I definitely keep an eye on it. I mean, it's hard because kids are by their nature quite hyperactive anyway. I think that my eldest daughter, Ivy, I noticed she's quite fidgety. And I'm like, oh, I'm quite fidgety as well. I need, I always like,

28:30it's kind of why I like the magic, because we're always fiddling with the deck of cards or something. So she's a bit like that. And so I think the fact that I'm aware of it happening for me, means if anything comes up, we'll be able to kind of be like, oh, okay, that's a world that we know about. Yeah. So we can address it. Oh, there's a little dog come to see us. Is it? How do I make it? The great thing about being in the park here is we just get so many dogs out there. Dog and a helicopter. They're two unconnected incidents. Yeah, and unconnected things. They're not hunting for the dog with the helicopter. But yeah, I guess the awareness point does really help. But I think that's like for me, what I think is really important about talking about, you know, mental illness, but also things like neurodivergence. Because people might say, well, I don't have ADHD, or why I don't struggle with depression, or why I don't struggle with addiction. But you don't know when that path might cross you. And it might not be your experience, but maybe your loved one. It might be, for example, you know, your wife being married to someone that has ADHD. You don't know, I remember doing this talk, and I was talking at this law firm,

29:30and this really senior partner stood up and said, like, to be honest with you guys, I didn't really like, especially if I didn't really care about this before. But now I've got a wife and three daughters. They're all ADHD's. And it's like, it is really important, because like I didn't really care about it before, but you never know in your life when you need to. So it's not that everyone needs to be an expert in everything, because the problem is, I guess, in the world, that everyone's like, you need to know about this, everyone should be aware of this. It's not about, you don't have to have a PhD in ADHD, but even just a light awareness of what that might be, or what it looks like, can be the difference between something going under the radar and causing all sorts of things, which is being picked up. And I think that we all judge people all the time, right? And it's very easy to judge people who operate differently to you. And I certainly was guilty of that earlier in my career. I would find people who weren't actually creative incredibly hard to work with, because I was like, come on, mate, we're all having ideas here, but some people just don't. And to me, I felt like that was, they were lacking, but actually, they were probably brilliant at the logistics

30:30and the planning and all of the stuff that I wasn't. And there's space for all of us to, you know, find how we slot into a society. But I was very much like, no, no, you've got to be creative. And I think that people who, you know, where I was being a let down, because I've not seen that thing back or I've not done this thing, oh, I forgot that we were meant to be doing that, or I was late for this thing, I think it's really easy to go, oh, that person doesn't care. Oh, that person is lazy, or that person is self-absorbed, or whatever it might be. And it's none of those things. It's like, my brain isn't firing in the same way that yours is. And the things that you're responding to, I'm not seeing, or I'm not being made aware of. And I think that's really helpful, basically, just for everyone, just to allow a bit of grace for those differences. We are built differently. And for it not to be like, that person is stupid, or that person is lazy.

31:31Like those are not helpful, labels to put on anyone. Do you think that you'd have the career that you've had if you didn't have any experience? No. I don't think I'd be who I am. So you wouldn't change it then? Not at all. No, no, I think it's face, I'm proud of it. Yeah. I wouldn't change it either, but I think for a time when I was kind of in the kind of anger phase of like, it being missed and all the stuff, eventually I realised that if I was to change that, I'd change who I am, and I don't want to change who I am. No, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I love it. Because the thing is, once you accept it, and the people in your life accept it, it's great. You're sort of like, you're not having to sort of tread around it, and you mask and conform. And so like, at the radio, everyone I work with knows I've got ADHD. So I'm going to be distractable. So if you need me to do something, 10 seconds before we're going to do it. Or as you need to do it. Basically, right now, I need you to do this.

32:32Well, that's the thing. Sometimes people try and tell me stuff, two minutes before it's due to happen. And I'm just like, it's not going to go in. So I'm just like, just on air and three, two, by the way, can you? No, I want to request it. And it's become a sort of running joke with a producer. I was like, if I have to speak, tell me 20 seconds beforehand. If it's a button, tell me eight seconds beforehand. Yeah. I don't need any more than eight seconds. I can load, reload, do anything. That's all I need. I won't remember if you tell me, sometimes we'll play a song. And we've got the news coming up. You have to hit the news at a particular time. And I'll just forget. I'll think it, I'll be doing a song. I'm like, oh my god, it's the news. Yeah, the news on. So it's a bit, nothing important today. They know to kind of like, but that's just part of it. And my, my board games business partner, Lawrence, he's incredibly accommodating to it. So he knows that nothing will get done unless it is observed. You know, I'm like,

33:32what's that, that's experimental with the two, the two slits and the atoms. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, and I'll do what? You get it done. We need to watch, stay and teach them. To be in the job right teachers thing watching over someone. Yeah. Absolutely. We'll come to the end of part 2 there because this is gonna be a nice segue into part 3. We're gonna talk about your kind of many hats and the spinning plates that you do in one of here about the new podcast, which I was, pri creators have listened to last morning which is absolutely awesome. So guys, we'll see you in part 2. Very soon. Hi, this is Hannah Burner from Giggly Squad.

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