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Okay, here it is.

The reaction.

It's not an instant reaction, but it's the eventual reaction to the booze with the stormers

and airy.

I have not been running away, you've, please exonerate me, and because people have been implying

that I was afraid and still no reaction, come on man, put things to bed here.

Tell people what really happened.

Because it would, as often as the case, as a bit of truth in both versions, I probably,

you were not jumping up and down eager to do the reaction, but in fact, logistically,

the problem was on my side, and we just couldn't.

And so now we can, and we can get into it, and possibly that's better because sometimes

the dust has to settle, you have to have another sleep, you wake up, the sun is still shining,

life is still good, the morning coffee is nice.

And so now we can dig into a painful loss and a beautiful win.

Yeah.

Well, that must be honest.

I said, you know, a little, what's up group that people don't know about this.

It's probably one of the worst sporting begins effort in a long time, because not only

that the booze lose, they lost badly.

And that thinking feeling off way through the match, when you realize it's not going

to happen.

There's not going to be some very cool saviour and it's not going to start leaking suddenly

instead.

It's going to go the other way.

On Sunday morning, my team didn't even start the Grand Prix.

So I mean, how bad can it get?

So you talked about it earlier.

You had a great weekend in sporting wise, I suppose, but let's talk about these booze.

So what did you see?

What happened at Loftus?

Yeah, there's so many angles to this.

And obviously, I also want to tell our audience that from now on, I'm like, I want to try

to fix the booze problems, right?

So now we got, we got pasta's derby.

We got you.

We own you.

It's wonderful.

But now what things to work better?

Because I want the booze to make a nice, strong run into the playoffs and not just get

there, but make some noise, you know, knock someone out.

Maybe you could take care of Lester for us.

And so there was a part of the angle is, no, you know, it's still there.

What is that there?

What is this?

It's like our jail episode we talked about, you know, so there was a reaction.

And that was good.

But you want to see the light bulb go on and all the gears start to move towards the

actual change, not just sort of do a really good spin job of like, no, no, no, we got

this.

No, we handle it.

Like you want to actually see that when you go up to the next level, like one of the

top teams comes to play Loftus, that you can, that you can strip your game down to

a more lean, mean knockout, shaped looking thing.

And it still seemed to me that the exit wasn't proper, that the kick ratio was way off.

That problem seemed to be trying to be solved by more frenetic, frantic action, which leads

to more errors, which means the 19 turnovers and 16 penalties, not putting everything on

the booze.

You know, this forced errors, stormers were playing a very pressurized, you know, guys

like Audrey Smith coming in and just smashing guys.

That can make you drop a ball.

I mean, there's no doubt to it.

Dominant tackles collision dominance.

That's what the French did in the Six Nations is a literally as pummeled people, just beat

them up.

And then they made errors and then you go, oh, you're making so many errors.

So I'm not going to take, I'm not going to just strip all credit away from the stormers.

But I'm focused now on the bulls and saying, you can make it too easy for a visiting team.

And you should as a home team, it should always be so hard to score 32 points.

It should always be so difficult to, you should be the one making the errors when the visitors.

And it's almost, it's sometimes it loftess, not just this week, but there's been times

it loftess where it felt like the bulls were more nervous at their home than they were

away.

This is something wrong.

I don't even know how to explain this, but I just think that's my sense.

What do you think?

No, we've been talking about this for a while now.

And you also talked about the fact that they bonded overseas and I think that pressure

is not there.

I think last time we saw this, well, this, this boss said that the atmosphere was a bit

flat.

I said this to our friend, Ariel, who is well, it was not as many people as we expected.

The Eastern Pavilion was basically of empty.

The atmosphere wasn't there, but I know what you're referring to, the bulls are feeling

the pressure of playing at home more than they do when they play away from home.

And it's because I think these games are being blown into something that's not really,

it's blown up too much.

The hype is too much.

And then you've got young guys, we're talking about communicating with young guys, but

you also have to, you know, talk about the pressure on these young guys.

How do they cope with it?

And making too much of something, it must just be another game.

Yes, it's a storm and so what?

Yes, it's a line.

It doesn't matter.

It's the dragons.

The point is, pitch up on a day, this is your game plan, start playing it, but when you

start adding that psychological element to it, where you have to win it, because it's

stormers and it's the derby and it's the biggest game in Africa, it's a lot of pressure

for a young team, of a new coach and everything else, and credit to the stormers.

I mean, there's two sides to every story.

One is the bulls lost this game, but other side is the stormers won it.

And I suppose on there, since the fact that John Dobson referred to it, people writing

them off and that actually helped them, that psychological side, you know, boosted them

a little bit, you will show you kind of a thing.

But they must start making less of this fourth, this loftest thing and this derby thing

and just make it another game.

Take the pressure off it and I'll tell you what, I think it'll go better.

Yeah, I wonder about that.

It's almost like there's a fragility there, an emotional fragility that we saw with the

sacking of Jack, Jack White, so part of the Jake White thing was from Jake's standpoint

that he had to evolve with part of it, but part of it was like why was there so much angst

and emotional stuff going on and squabbles and that gets into culture, you know, some

of the most successful teams like the Crusaders, they had this sort of culture where you dealt

with problems really early, you know, if there was something, you know, a steaming pile of,

you know what, on the table, like everyone acknowledged it and then they dealt with it

and they said what it was, they used the proper words for the proper thing, I did this,

you did that.

My part in it was this, your part, it seems like in Boozland from the outside that when

things are going really well, they go see, see, I told you so.

So you should shut up next time and then when things go bad, it's like, well, who are

you to tell us anything and I wonder, I'll contrast that with stormers is when things are

going really well, they're still open, but when they go really bad, they're actually still

open, you know, what's going wrong and they'll talk to a flower seller and green market square

and if that person, if she's, if she's got a good valuable insight, Norman Leica takes it on.

I don't think he cares where he gets it from.

There's a bit of that old hierarchical stuff and you know, it gets into sort of, you know,

who are you to tell us and I think with the Booz, they almost were too quick to say it's fixed.

Yep, there it is, Don, there it is. I think the loftest faithful is one of the most intelligent rugby

tribes on the earth and they were skeptical still and they were not convinced and I think it's

showing up and what you're talking about and they know, they know when you're putting the

Booz players as they are in the shape they are, in the weight they are, in the height they are,

experience that there's a proper way to play with these guys. Now, if you can imagine a different

set of guys, fine, but those guys aren't here yet. This is who they are. You've got Paula,

you've got Fenter, you've got Forster, you've got Creel, you've got a shape of a midfield and a

backline and a decision making. If you say, Oh, Embers, Papier was out, you've got to have contingencies

in rugby. People are always out, you know, but you seem in camera in Hanukkah, but he's not here yet.

I think there's a sort of reality of like wish costing. I wish and hope this were true,

but it's not true. So, you know, it's, it's not, you shouldn't overread one loss, but I understand

why people are taking this loss pretty hard, because it looks like lessons haven't been learned,

that things haven't been taken on, that maybe we imagine that the conversations behind the scenes

haven't been quite as candid and egalitarian as they need to be. Maybe it's still top down,

you know, maybe the boardroom's still too involved. Maybe I don't know, like, what's, why is it not

more just clear, honest, this shape of rugby is difficult for us to play in a knockout or against

the top 40? Well, okay, you talk about the shape. Do you think the bulls play differently than the

played in the games before this? Well, they don't kick enough. They still don't kick enough.

Yeah, yeah, no, but what's different to what they played before? Because remember, we talked about

ambition without competence, which is a bit rough, I suppose, but the point was that they tried

to play the game that we said they were not, they couldn't really play not with the plays at that.

Then they started moving towards playing the game that with the plays that they do have,

which started working like the Lions and the Sharks and the Lux.

After that, move back away from that again, or were they forced to stop playing that way by the

storm as being clever and seeing what they did against the Lions and the Sharks and finding a way

to counter that. And then the bulls were sort of on the back wouldn't didn't know what to do.

Or did the bulls try to play something different? You said somewhere in one of our messages, you

said, the bulls looked like they were playing stormers to 24, I could be kind of a thing.

A bit of both, I think, is also, so let's look at it from both sides. What the stormers did

differently was much more tidy and constructive rocks went on attack, didn't leave room for errors.

I think the bulls had been feeding off errors, whether it's like loose kicks and then the kick

return tries from deep, the bulls were scoring from long range. They were not using what I'll call

clinical way to score first phase tries. It was more like my opponent makes an error. And so the

quality of the opposition against which the bulls seem to come right was lower. And so what I'm

saying is when they now want to welcome an actual big boy, let the slide of the sport that many

slide to the side, stormers are still a top two team in this comp at arguably top three at worst.

You've got to have plan, you've got to play differently. It's more like a knockout.

And if the stormers come to town and decide not to play loose and they play really tight and

the and you guys coming in really hard at the bulls, then if the bulls play that same way they

were playing, it's not going to work. Just like it's not going to work against Glasgow when I play

off or Lester. So I think it's the ability to say that was good. That was fun. And I'm glad we're

scoring so many tries and it's so great. But what if we come across, you know, one of the top four

teams and we have to really dig down against Ulster, Lester, stormers, Glasgow? What does it look like?

And there's an off brand. It's a different, a little bit variation. There was no adaptation

at oranges, like midway into the match. You just knew that it wasn't working.

Stormers kind of wasn't working either a little bit. And then there was this shift. There was

an adaptation, a slower rock counterintuitively week before, I mean, the the loss before it was

70% of the rocks for stormers were less than three seconds. Now it's 40%. So let's get consolidated.

Let's not carry as much. I don't want to just keep carrying, carrying, carrying. I'm going to kick

early in the cycle. I'm going to have one or two good carries and then kick, kick on purpose,

like give up, give the ball away. Please, balls have it. So that's on the stormer side. It'd be

more disciplined sticking to a game plan. Initially, realizing it's not working in on the fly

with the water boy with the physio with the coaching box saying, no, let's do a little bit less of

this a little more of that and captaincy on the field. And you know, Rohan now we talked about the

preview coming back really starching up the midfield, thinking 12 like they named them so it was

always looking at everything. I think they recalibrated themselves to put the bulls in a different

field. So the bulls, then it was all it was like the stormers served and that was the bulls turn

like, so what are you going to do? And then there was nothing. There was no there was no switch where

we go, let's have 20% less of this and 40% more of that. I didn't see it at least. And so then I'll

say on the bull side, what I don't like in rugby, if there's a team that I'm playing on coaching

on helping consulting or watching, I don't like you to exacerbate errors. Don't like if you give

up something wrong, don't double up, don't triple up because if you make three, if you give up three

penalties in a row and rugby, you're in trouble. If you give four in a row, you're almost there's

almost always a card and there's a try and all this stuff. So I think I felt mental fragility.

So it just seemed like the bulls would double down, double down, double down, like kick, not

enough. And then when they kicked, they kicked like pollucas and then then they stuffed that up.

You know, it just seemed like there was a sort of cascading thing. And so what you wonder there is

you'll be fine against the teams below you in the log. You'll be fine maybe with the teams

right at the same place with your points differentials around 20 plus to nothing or minus 12.

But against the 100 plus points differential teams, when they have their players and they're in the

mood, it just seems like the bulls are going to make more errors because they're getting habituated.

They're practicing to make errors by playing the way they play. So then when it's under pressure,

it gets worse. When they're playing well against a team that's not as good, yeah, it looks great.

So it does seem like it's an it's an aiming towards finishing seventh or eighth in the league,

as opposed to that next step up, like Franco Smith's talking about with his team and

Davos talking about the stormers of just not being content, not just defending the way they play

and go, oh, we were great. We lost, but we played well. Like really just like trying to fix

shit. Like you're like being ruthless about it and not not being mad that the idea you got was

from the parking attendant or the guy's something slap chips, whatever it came from, it doesn't matter.

The bulls seem to be very much well, where are you from and what did you go to and what did you,

why did you say that and look, we're fine. And then look, we're fine thing is I think holding the

bulls back. Sure, lots of lots for me to wrap my head around there. The first one is you talked

about, you talked to Sam Loner, just now we're going to publish that episode later this week,

you wrote a book on an journalist. And one thing you said there was, believe me, for example,

and you just use hypothetical scoring a try, because someone else built the bull and that's because

they were in the right area all the time. And the bulls were never in the right area. So what I'm

trying to ask you is, are they are they just playing stupid rugby? I mean, if that's the right

word, you don't have the ability to adjust when they should, when they should be adjusting,

you talked about the bitch, you know, making the mistakes and stuff and trying it,

something over and over again, there is a different definition of trying the same thing,

over and over and expecting a different result. Is that what we're seeing here? And what does

it come down to? Why is it? Is it the leadership on the field? I want to say this,

who are now made a huge difference? Never mind the fact that he's on the scene,

then he fixed up the scene as a captain. He made a huge difference.

Is that not maybe where the problems we have to adjust in real time? What's happening

on the field? And you have to be able to see it. It's not just by, it's not just Kumbaya and Rara

and let's go and walk through the walls and whatever. You need to be able to intelligently

adjust the game and get the guys among you, or both of you, to follow you. Is that not where the

problem is? Yeah, I think so. So how do you, how do you know a person? Like, you only really know

them when, when everything is going wrong. Now, how honest are they then? How generous is someone

when they lost their money? How nice is someone when they, you know, a full and love and then

the girl says, no, like, yeah, you really learn someone when things are going wrong. So I wonder

about when you structure something where it's only good when everything is going right.

Is this is not rugby? You're going to have a three game slide that's always had one, but you know,

it wasn't poisonous. I went sort of pointing fingers at each other. They were still affable

like each other. There's something around this bull's camp. I'm not talking about just the season

for a couple of years now where it's good. It's great. It's wonderful. But when things go

wrong, it seems to be very, it was your fault. C YA, it wasn't mine. Look, this memo I wrote here

said we do the C. So it's his fault. That, that circular firing squad problem. And, and I don't

like that. I imagine it's not that fun to play in. I imagine that there's a reason why some of the

sort of internal bickering and backfighting. And okay, then I'm taking my wagon elsewhere. I'm

going to start a new place over here. And not sitting down and saying, look, you know, we can all

agree that we're pretty good. We're not bad. But to be like really good and to be challenging.

And so, you know, I go back to the Glasgow loss in the final. And how much that must have,

it can really hurt a team. I mean, any Jones never recovered from the 2019 finals loss of the

box. Let's just be honest. It was a great coach. And they just wasn't. And, and there's a lot of

things that sort of hold over from that. So I think the bulls is trying to figure it out.

Right now, it looks like they're playing as if they're trying to be respectable,

top tier, but not really in a championship mentality mode yet. I don't see it. I don't feel it.

Like you say, they would have to go down fighting more. It has to be more fighting them.

And that's to be more ruthlessness of looking at it. So on the captaincy side and how to change,

I always go back to this statement that sort of Nick Faldo said about golf. He said, you know,

a really good golfer. Like one of you guys out there that's just an amateur golfer, a scratch golfer.

You can bang the bull, smack the bull. It can go right down the middle a mile.

What makes me different than you? He said, you might even be hit the bull far than me.

And have a more athletic talent than me, but I know what's wrong with my swing in the middle

of the swing. And I can change it on the next swing or even inside that swing. So thinking through

your game and knowing when to have a slower rock, like Richie McCaw telling the All Blacks at one

game where the box were about to win is like, let's just slow it down. Like let's not be New Zealand.

Let's go the other way, knowing exactly when to do that. Instead of just getting the line out

and then exiting, let's go through three more phases before we exit. We shoot up two minutes.

So I think right now the bulls don't have that voice. And perhaps it's because you have

guys that are really experienced trying to communicate with people who are not that experienced.

They're too deferential maybe to the older guys. Maybe the leadership just needs to be one of the

other, you know. And and just say, this is it. This is our captain. This is our leadership group.

And this is how it's going to be. I don't know about you, but I would probably defer pretty well to

a guy like Vileo Andre falls the other player because oh, they're legends, right? But that could be

confusing because what is Andre and Vileo telling you at the same moment? It could be very different.

And it's different in a test match than it is in a club match. There's a lot of things there

that I think you've put your finger on, which is it all comes down to leadership, clarity,

and the ability to be honest with yourself and then honest with others inside a locker room about

why we lost. You talked about the kicking game and the bulls have been placed this season with

inverse peering exceptional form, losing him on Saturday morning and replacing with

bulls that they do is an excellent player. I'm not denying that, but it's a different player.

How much of an impact did you think that out? Because they played off nine a lot this season.

And suddenly inverse peer wasn't there. And not just the fact that he was kicking lace and

everything else. The fact that he was an X factor player. And I talked to the someone else about

when there was an offload who was eight to catch the ball, who was eight score to try eventually

inverse peer. That's someone that you really missed. How much of an effective thing that out?

Well, you know, when you do card scenarios, the worst one to lose is the nine.

Most teams play off nine nowadays. That's just the way it is. They have an extra pocket of space.

So you're kind of mad to play through the 10. Nine dictates a lot of your shape. You're right that it,

from the second phase on, it's all nine. Nine's making decisions. Yes, they're getting calls

from 10 or 15, but they still have to, it's still their decision at the end. It's DuPont's decision

to do whatever the French are going to do. It's Jamison Gibson Park. Nine's are running the game nowadays.

At Bach level, you can see the difference when Reinoch is on actually, you know, for the stormers,

and not to cry poor here, but we would sort of point to Reinoch's absence during the three match

slide as one of the big factors and Ruan now as well. And obviously the lock crisis. But the problem

with talking about people who aren't there is this is rugby. And so you have to stop portraying

not you, but a person has to stop portraying this player A or B or C being out as anything other

than inevitable. It's you got to have contingency planning all the time. And there could be whoever

else, you know, Ruan Orch has out, he's out. What do you do? Like you have to think about that. And

someone has to already say that right now, just like you do, you know, a military planning,

you're, you have an investment plan of a country that you're never going to invade, but you have

to think about it. So I think with Papier, absolutely, he was a big loss. But you would kind of

think that the two biggest, largest cap guys on the field, Pollard and LaRou would be able to,

you know, take on something and figure their way around. Because on the caps, on Bach caps,

test caps, it was a huge imbalance towards the bulls with, you know, the stormers missing

some of their big guys. And I think it came down to this, you know, our highest cap guy,

Valemsa, played really well. I think very well. And it really helped Sasha with his game plan.

And it really helped Philant. And I think we talked about this before that if that's your

trick at running the things. And if one of those guys really just takes, takes control. And

along with Ronnell really is explaining things to everyone and where you got to be. And it just

seems smooth. On the other side, I mean, some of the most veteran bulls had the worst games. And

that, and that's just that will kill you. Because now you're a young guy looking at that and saying

one, now there were also other aspects to it. Andre Hugo Fenter having a really like his season is

really shaping up almost where you kind of wanted to see him in the the park picture. Really good

throwing, but also a hard carrying going into it. I kind of wondered if the bulls had a tremendous

edge at hooker. And I also wondered a bit about, you know, the battle of the midfields. Those both

got decided pretty clearly in the stormers favor. So then you're looking at what's one other thing

the bulls could have done, you know, like one other aspect. And I just never saw that. If you're

wondering, well, Harry, what do you mean by adjustment? I think that oranges, the bulls had to say,

it's not going our way in the midfield. It's not going our way. It's necessarily at lineouts.

So what's another part of the match so we could change, mock up, destroy, slow down, speed up,

whatever that was. I have no idea. But I would like to actually look at it. I almost want to look at

all 19 turnovers and 16 penalties. That's what I probably do. And analyze that and see why,

what categories were there? Because a lot of those have to be avoidable. They have to be. And then

maybe switch it around and say instead of being the super attack high octane bulls who actually

make a lot of errors, but sometimes you win sometimes you lose. What if we could make other teams

make the errors? What is that? You know, territory was always the way the bulls play. You just said

something very strange to me almost like we didn't play in the right areas. That's what the bulls

always did. If you go back 100 years, bulls play in right area territory. It's a territory game.

It's a field placement game. I said to Sam Launer in that episode, I will give you the ball. All

of it. You can have 99% possession. But if it's all in your own 22, I'll win.

Because are you going to score? I don't know why the bulls are being suspicious of territory

and being so into the line break rugby because I don't think it's knockout rugby.

All right, enough about the bulls. Let's talk about the guys who actually won the game and pitched up

at Loftus. I mean, after a slide of three games on a losing lost on a row, I mean, they were

backs against the war kind of a thing. And the other pitched up at Loftus and

took everyone by surprise, I suppose, not at least with the bulls, but talking about what they

did right. I mean, what did they do differently? Sasha didn't play like Sasha does. Sasha played

like Andre does. How much of that was the fact that he wasn't captain anymore? How much of that

was due to the fact that Valemso was next to him. He mentioned it earlier, that Troika.

What did they do different? What did they see in the bulls? For example, the bulls, I said to

someone else, the tsunami of the bulls against the line. It was just one pause after the offload,

and they just kept coming. You couldn't stop them. The storm has stopped them. Let us wrap

to them. How much of that was down to DN3 and all the values, for example, just slowing it down

that microsecond and then the offload doesn't work or something goes wrong. Talk to me about

what the storm is that right here, because they were brilliant on the day I would think.

Yeah, there was some individual aspects there, and there were some corporate aspects. So

individual like, you know, Finnes and Branas, and basically Andre Hugo and Dio and had some really

storming games, full of anger, far better. So Andre too, a lot of boy,

pulled over his, I think I went to the same school as Andre. Just hard nuts, you know,

guys that are hard to crack. And I think when you go to Loftus and you're coming from

Western Cape, you almost have to show that. And a lot of times,

where some province have gone up there from way back, Nordtransfall, they've gotten beaten up,

and then you go and in the and the wash up, it's like, well, we didn't match them physically.

So I think the first job was match them physically. I think that was tick tick that box. It was

accomplished. It was accomplished. Surprisingly, yeah. Yeah, but that's important because if you

lose that battle, and I think that's what Franco would have told his guys at Glasgow as well.

Maybe not going to get over them men from man, maybe man from man, if we were just fighting in

the street, we'd lose, but we have to match it in a rugby sense early. So first 30 minutes,

I think that was brilliant. Hang in. There's going to be some stuff you don't like. You just got

to hang in, hang in. So that's mental resilience. That showed up. Some of that's bolstered by the

fact that when you look to your right, and you see Valemsa, did it make a young, okay, he's just

23 years old, okay, he's learning still. You go, okay, I got my guy here, and then around you,

and then beyond him is Ruannell, who's shouting at you, very smart, good things, but also encouraging

things. He's a funny guy in the field, and so he might keep you loose. I think Zaz was playing in

a better appreciation of space, Chalant, kept himself under control. I think the fact that you had

Brannis on, and then you had Poldo Villiers, the Form flank, Openside flank of the competition,

waiting in the wings is kind of nice. That's sort of the Rossi approach where you don't necessarily

pick your best fittest player in the beginning. You kind of hold them back to the end,

because then you can pull them off in 30 minutes and just say, burn yourself out, and then we have

Pold coming on. The other thing that was really big though was that we didn't have any locks,

and we had no depth at lock, and so the locks had played really well. I, Tung and Cheek talked about

JD Shikuling, getting mad at the match for a length of the field try, like Ollie Chessam did for

England, but then ran into the corner, instead of running the table from the polls. JD would have

gone to the polls. JD Shikuling played really well. I think he's played really well all season,

really big miss for Ruben to be out. Salman, I mean, I think it's a big loss set set piece,

so something had to go right there. That was clean. JD is the line out captain. What else went

well? I think the idea that you didn't have to hurry, hurry, quick, quick, quick, quick at every

rock, that the only good rucks to go quick on are sort of in that attack zone from 30 meters

out to about 10. When you get to be about five out, you really need to slow down and make sure

your latch man's there and the right carrier is there. With Lewis out, it was incumbent upon

to find the right carry, but there was a calmness to it. It was just calm. Tank Lenny and I were

talking about this. It was our guys look calm, like they were thinking their way through the game,

was like a game of chess. It was like a brutal chess game, like, you know, like let's fight

each other while we're playing chess. But I'm in the calm parts really important. The bulls,

on the other hand, either were forced into looking like they were panicky or they were panicky. I

don't know which one's which. Sometimes it doesn't matter because like you say, if you're nervous

in front of your own fans more than you're nervous in front of other people's fans, there's a

something there that's more than just a rugby. It's, you know, yeah, it's something that's lacking

that's in the calm decision making. The final part is knowing situations and the stormers do this

a lot without betraying any conferences, working through exact scenarios and keep changing them,

change another fact, another fact. So that if I change this fact and you're here, but this is

the situation, here's the score, what are you doing? And that's the kind of thing that young players

have to learn. You just need more reps, you need more caps, but they're really preaching the idea

that the only guys who are going to be coming out of their skin in this team are going to be the

coaches, not the players. I don't want to see players going nuts out there, you know, you might see

a guy going nuts going to be Norman on the side, you know, wanting a two-man tackle or a blitz,

but it's not going to be the players shouting at each other. When the row one is shouting across

the field, it's extremely pertinent, relevant information in two-word increments, you know,

and it's just telling you you're too high or too low. And that's that's what I think I don't see

the bulls doing. Valise is always going to be a vocal guy, but increasingly to me, not just in the

bulls, but also the box set up. It's the kind of stuff you're doing when you're late in your career,

and you're almost wishing your body could do, that you're caching checks, you know, you're writing

checks, you cannot cash. And that can come off a little bit weird. Yeah, I don't know. I think that

in the battle of the calm, the stormers were much more calm, you know, they calmed the storm,

and the bulls were stampeding in a little too much. I don't know what they're going to do about

this, but it's just too many times the bulls on the floor, and it's too many excuses. I think

they have to do something different when they have momentum in a play, and I think that has to

put the bull over the top, keep the bull rolling. You know, watch some of those French matches where

Louis Bielberry takes the scraps and scores. I could see Sebastian DeClec doing those.

I could see Carthie Arnes doing those. It should be more bull bouncing on the floor.

Yeah, I call that a yo-yo, because Bielberry just got that bull on a yo-yo. It always bounces right

into his hands. How on earth? And even though it's also when we didn't, they tackled him and they

left him, let him go, and then he just bounced over and scored it anyway. I mean, just the luck

of the draw. He made it unlock, I suppose. All right, I really looking towards the race with the

seasonal bulls. I could run easier running out, I would think. I think so. Lovely. I can still spend

some time with the bulls if things work out, and if we don't throw too much attention to this

podcast, we'll see how that goes. Anyway, the bulls and the stormers suddenly second on the

log again, 41 points, but between fifth and second and six, only two points. Now, 41 for the stormers

sixth place, months to at 39. I mean, that's so close. And the bulls face God of number five,

and they face months to number six in the next two games. Yeah, some of those teams, other teams

have to, they have a tough road as well. I'm not, not the bulls and the stormers necessarily,

but some of the other teams in the top six or seven have to have to have to play some really tough

competition internals, you know, feeding fights. I expect that the, that there's going to be three

South African teams in the top eight. I just want, I think the bulls need to trend up,

not just in the actual results, but in the feeling of this could work in a knockout against a

really top team. So yeah, I'm going to, what I'm going to try and do is a rip, a really deep rip

like I did about a year ago, and try to understand the compartments, the categories, where the

bulls are putting the bull on the floor. Why? How and, and draw some conclusions from that. And

then try to match those with the season long stats and make something, you know, that's a

bigger sample size to see, you know, where it is. My suspicion is it's occurring in the wrong

parts of the field. Like everyone makes mistakes, but it's the wrong place. And then I think also,

there's a tendency to continue making a mistake post-mistake post-mistake, and that will get you

in serious trouble against the good teams. You can escape that against, you know, the bottom of

the log team, or you can do that against sometimes the sharks, and they're just not interested,

but it's not going to work against lense to stormers if they're in a mood, Glasgow for sure,

you know, really well coached cohesive teams that can capitalize on errors. I think that's

where the bulls are leading their opposition, having too many exploitation moments.

Okay, thanks, Erie. I appreciate it. I'm going to let me get this out because people are

waiting for baited breath to see me grow up. That's it. I don't teach you my mum always

sit there and be when I was when I was when I had enough lint my lips. I shall never do that again.

I shall never. I will be humble as of now. Thanks, Erie.

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