Rebel Mad Man Radio w/ Mike Gaddy, September 12, 2026 Hour 2

0:00was Pakistani. And we had we had any number of foreign nationals and in our feeder airline, had some Iranians, Pakistanis. And so I was quite familiar with actually people and flight attendants who are Muslim and of different, you know, that Islamic background that we're actually employed at our airline. So, uh, it'll be an interesting conversation. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder where Sam is with the commercial break. Well, he's, he's too right. Well, does anybody else want to just start talking about about that? For sure. Well, let me just let me just explain what happened at the airline.

1:07In the in the subsequent weeks and months, all the all the Muslim or people that could be identified as Islamic at the airline were interviewed. Right. And, uh, so I didn't see anybody get fired. I didn't see anybody receive actually any direct sanctions or anything or detainment by the government, but they were interviewed. And treated as suspicious characters. And, uh, of course, I, I've flown with any number of these people in the cockpit and uh, also in the cabin crews. So, me personally, I didn't have any issue with any of it. Uh, I wasn't, I wasn't taken in by it.

2:12And partly, partly because, uh, and something, you know, we haven't talked about really, but uh, all the official orthodox media and government public relations, information associated with uh, the events of that day, 9-11, uh, and air traffic control procedures, company procedures, that being in the American and United Airlines. Um, and, uh, the intercept procedures that I was very familiar with and trained with and reviewed every year. And actually taught. None of those, uh, policies, procedures, uh, were followed.

3:15So, not only did you have a breakdown in, uh, military intercept and air identification, uh, intercept and military and, uh, defense zones, but you also had a breakdown in ATC procedure or traffic control procedures. Uh, you also had a complete, uh, would appear, a complete breakdown of, uh, cockpit, uh, procedures to fall. So, what are the odds of that? And, and for, for my background and experience, uh, I started calling BS immediately. Along with, of course, extensive air defense, all along up and down the East Coast. You know, um, yeah, air force bases, aircraft carriers,

4:16that whole East Coast defense system that we thought was in place, didn't react until after the fact. Well, you had, you had these, uh, so-called war games. Uh, you had operation, uh, northern vigilance, uh, it was a NORAD operation. You had visual and guardian, which was a NORAD command post operation. You had vigilant warrior, it was also a NORAD, uh, exercise, and then you had global guardian and they were all running simultaneously. And, uh, for the first time ever, the NORAD command and control was, uh, moved to, uh, a secure area near Washington, D.C. in an operations room where it took Cheney sitting at the desk, which had never happened before or has happened ever since. Now, what are the odds of that? Yeah. And, and the other thing I thought, you know, was

5:22interesting was, of course, as it was happening as the news people were covering it, you got the really raw coverage. The, the, at that time, you know, the New York, um, news stations all had roving on the ground reporters all over the city. So, of course, they picked it up on the, uh, police scanner and everybody headed downtown to Lower Manhattan and they were talking to people right on the street. So you got initially that really raw coverage on the radio and on TV, or even the people sitting in the studio who were horrified at what they were seeing. And it seemed to me like it was very quickly after that curated into very specific imagery and narrative and that some of that on the ground raw conversation just disappeared. So that everything was packaged as a specific type of message. Well, it's absolutely no doubt. Earlier, uh, last hour, you used the word that's extremely important if it slipped by anybody. Uh, and that word was, uh, curated.

6:27This was a production, uh, after the fact, uh, they had, they had already prepared. Uh, I'm not even, I'm not even going to give anything, uh, legitimacy towards the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't a, uh, inside job and a, a constructed, premeditated event with the intentions of everything that subsequently cascaded out of it. That this was their full intent. I'm just going to, I'm just going to say that on the open. And, and of course, so the psi off or the narrative, the production, uh, they have to, uh, uh, so what does 9-11 do? Well, at first, you know, when I listen to your description of what you have happened with you and the people around you, what I hear is a disorientation. And then I see people being overwhelmed. Right. Uh, and then at this point, uh, obviously fear is in

7:32that recipe. Uh, at this point, uh, most people in that state of mental condition are in a state of, trauma, uh, shock, but they're not in post-traumatic shock. They're an actual shock. That's the, that was that thousand miles there that you were talking about as people were walking over the bridge. They're literally in shock. So at this point, they are in a, in a state of mind where they can be very manipulated, controlled and directed. And so you exploit that. And so the, the curated process that you, you talked about was in order to exploit and take advantage of the groundwork, uh, that they'd already laid. Uh, and this was to emotion, uh, you had to keep the narrative and the production rolling in a certain direction so you could emotionally extort people with

8:33jingleism and, uh, patriotism and drag. Oh, here comes our break. We'll get back to you, until we are after the break. Oh, I can't change. Let you find a free blue.

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10:34You're listening to Republic Broadcasting Network because you can handle the truth. We owe you debt, gum, gov, a bunch of sorry, so-and-so's. You got your damn hands and never pocket up my clothes. We owe you debt, gum, debt, gum, debt, gum, the month. Woo, don't you know, well, don't you love him sometime. Oh yeah, a little perfect song for us. What a perfect song. So go ahead, D.W. You continue with that idea. You know, I'm going to share before you continue about trauma with the audience, something I've never shared before on the show, but at the time that 911 took place, my mom was dying of brain cancer. And she died about six,

11:38seven months after that. So I had two traumatic experiences in a row. And it took me many years to figure out what I really saw that day. Just to enhance that idea, to give you guys an idea of how traumatized I was and why it took me personally, many, many years to start figuring it out. But go ahead, D.W. About that idea that people are so shocked and traumatized that you can then now start feeding them a message. Well, absolutely. Yeah. So now that we have a, I guess if you're an artist, you know, you lay the foundation of your painting or your the architecture. And so now you can use a curated logic narrative storyline that fits and you can build upon that foundation. And so this this is why four months before 911 or was it five months, you know, the, I forget which

12:44dude's crew is NBC or CBS manages to find the Soma Bin Laden and a cave and somewhere and sit down and have tea and crumpets with him and and have a half this long chat, you know, and so this this is this event of them interviewing him so many months before was part of predictive programming and oh, so now we have it, we have that we have the Patsy. Okay. And so you always have to have a Patsy and Americans are conditioned and actually expect quick simple answers. Okay. And so you have to make sure that once you plow the field and stir it up and plan it, now you can

13:45grow that and they they provided that narrative. They, you know, from a propaganda point of view, I thought they'd done a pretty good job. And you exploited people that have been traumatized and now they're looking for answers. Some people are driven by fear. Others revenge. Others are patriotism. And and you can exploit all of this with this simple story and you can also generate the need for and the credibility for going to war even though they the war that they had in mind was in Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia, which had supposedly funded and supported the hijackers. Okay. So the right and and think of how they did to build up people for war, right? They

14:48got the president right down there standing in the debris field with the guys who were clearing the debris, right? And he climbs up there and you see the blasted out windows of the World Financial Center in the background, right? And you see the the the the the steel beams are sticking up in all different directions. And he's up there, you know, and what was his famous thing? We heard you and pretty soon they'll hear us or something. Right. But pretty brilliant, brilliant, brilliant state. Yeah. The American flag hanging off of one of the beams behind. Oh, yeah, was oh, yeah, was in the background. That's right. That's right. He was hugging the fire chief or something that the guy was fire chief or something who, you know, how many of his men had been murdered that day by the yeah, by the by the government government and and and then the the head of that government is standing there like a serial killer psychopath, you know, embracing the man. That's

15:56great. When you really start to put it into contact, it's it's it's really like when you when you make that personal, you you can't make can you even imagine how creepy that is? What kind of Oh, it really is creepy. And then didn't we like, okay, so they're still showing these images day after day, week after week, really upsetting people. And you know, in my in all these years that have gone by, especially the years I did my walking tours, you know, I would meet people from all over the country who were truly traumatized by that day is if it happened to them. And I was really like puzzled about that for years. And I would say, Mr. Q, I don't get it. These people who are watching on TV are more traumatized than anybody I know who actually lived through it. Now, of course, I understand why. But then we have like the annual reinforcement every year. Oh, so so why do they pick an enemy, which we need really quick so they pick an enemy. And now

17:00everyone in America who's a Muslim becomes a suspect, right? And the government is now going to come and and make sure you stay safe and to keep it going a little bit. Didn't we have the anthrax scare right after that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I then and then I started an onsence about the public and occupation programs for smallpox. And and that was a big, that was a big up for for a while. And you know, they're going to set up all these mass and occupation clinics and around the country. And and the state guard was getting pulled into it because we had meetings that talk about us providing security for the for the noculation sites because they said, well, the national guard of the army are going to be occupied elsewhere. I'm going I'm thinking to myself now where the hell are they going to be? I guess what they can't use them here. And it was yeah, it was

18:01it was pretty hysterical there until they went around at least locally here. They tried to get the the staff at Vanderbilt hospital to go along with it and and sign on with with the detective shots and they basically told the told the health and human services or whoever was trying to push it saying hell no, we're not taking that unproven shot and everything the gas just kind of went out of that bag. But by that time, of course, we had invaded we had invaded a rock. And because in the meantime, I remember I was at Nob Creek machine gun shoot in October. I think right after that, when we started bombing Afghanistan, I mean, and now that went over the loudspeaker in the crowd there. And of course, you can imagine this is a really right right wing crowd. You know, I had a machine gun shoot. All these guys are gun-tutin' nuts. And everybody started cheering. Everybody started cheering about yeah, let's go get them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, all that kind of stuff. So they're

19:03real, you know, they played off the real jingoistic tendencies of the average average American, especially the average white American. All the while, you know, bushes up there giving speeches saying, well, you know, they said about Islam, Islam's a religion of peace. You remember that? That's right. That's right. I forgot about that. They hate us for our freedoms. That was my favorite lines of all time. They hate us because we're free. Yeah, I saw through that real quick. And I said, hell no, they hate us because we're over there messing with their lives and killing and living in children. So they, so they like wind up this whole series of fears, right? And then there were all the supposed terrorist attacks that the FBI was thwarting all over the place. Remember all those like fake things. And so they keep people frightened. And then what do they do? Oh, we have to take care of you and protect you. So we have a bunch of things we're going to do.

20:04We're going to do this thing called the Patriot Act. We're going to set up the TSA to make sure you're safe on airplanes. The TSA, I just looked looked it up, has made since they were put into effect about $8 billion in fiscal year 2025. And then we get the big one, Homeland Security, $532 billion for fiscal year 2026. So look at that. So I got a real kick out of that because when they first named the agency, they called it the Homeland Security Department, HFD or something which corresponds to the High Mod Sikker Heights Deans, which was the third rights security agency, you know, the SDH. Yeah. Well, listen up. I'm kind of curious. I'm kind of curious.

21:11You know, in the subsequent years after this happened, you know, so like as we move on through first, the second and third year, I'm kind of curious is because we were kind of had a little different experience. I wonder what the thought criminal, what was going on with you during those first, second, third and moving on? Well, you know, the people around you, your environment, what was well at the time that it happened. Okay, yeah, at the time that it happened, I was living this with my daughter, both living at my parents. She has two older half brothers that lived in town, close by. And one of the, they were older. She had just started a sophomore year high school here at Greer High School in a row. One of her older brothers in August had signed up, pre-signed up to join the Army and then 9-11 happened. And just that I remember that I had heard about it from a call, phone call someone had been friend of ours had been traveling back and forth

22:16to New York periodically. And they opened the kind I had not remembered what I was doing before. I got the phone call exactly, but I had not, did not have a TV on and this was right after the second building hit. And they called and said that they didn't think they'd be making that trip anymore because they had had their World Trade Center had been hit. And I thought, what a small plane must have hit one of them? What's going on? And then you said, they both were hit. And that's what just when I said they both got hit. So that, you know, triggered that, that was intentional. There's no way this is just, this is a accident. And I was getting a lot of information at the public library at the time. I didn't have any internet at the house or, you know, it was the pre-sale phone days and also, but I did spend a lot of time at the public library. And I listed a short way, then I'd heard Bill Cooper say there was going to be such an attack. And we would hear, I would hear info or something too at that time, the couple of others. And there was something hour of the time was Bill Cooper's that I would read online. And there was one right

23:21after this happened. In fact, the day of it, I remember, I remember on 9-11, I went up to the library and got online and then the closed, the library was closed shut down. You know, this is like everything we're done go home kind of thing that first day anyway. I don't know how long before things got back to where I can get online. But when I did right afterwards, and it may even have been on, I don't think it was on that day, but very soon there was a website called sciat.org. And the pictures on their website was the World Trade Center and the PIG flying into it. And it just, so that, I do remember that from as soon as it happened. So I was questioning things following that along the time. But also, I've got a lot of the pro-Muslim, I mean the pro, it was the Muslims did it propaganda that popped up that time at the same time with Glenn Beck. And oh, I forgot this other guy's name. World Net Daily, that was it. That seemed to be going hand in glove with the administration. I think it was all well planned out beforehand,

24:24like you said. But it took a while before I noticed it to myself. And people around me, you know, that a lot of them were, like you said, the flag came out and then my daughters, one of her older brother had decided he was gun hoe. He admired my dad for being one of my Rosemarauters. And then he did that did not end well. It just, that was a horrible experience. And he went through, he's not, you know, he's had it. And it's had to, so he ended up having a really devastating effect on me, our family. And personally, it's done the whole thing to the whole country. I mean, you guys were there and it happened to you. But I mean, it did. It traumatized the whole country just as you said, the part about it being a trauma-based mind control too is very correct. I was thinking of how the COVID thing, it was ridiculous that they would say, you know, your mail is still coming. If this was a real, if it was a real pandemic, you wouldn't be getting your mail if what they were saying was true. And it's like they would, things wouldn't be the way

25:26that they are. If it was really true, what happened to 9-11, they would not be acting the way that they did act. You know, they would have hustled, bush out of there and stuff like that. When the anthrax started, especially, I remember there was this, I don't know if you can find this anymore either. Either of y'all, any of y'all have heard of this before. I can't find it online. I don't know if you can find that siop.org website anymore. It might be in the, you know, the archive or the, what do they call that, the way back machine might have. I don't. Yeah, it's possible that it's still there, but there was a manifesto that was circulating right at the same time of the anthrax attacks, anthrax attacks that, so supposedly there was this cult that was either the soldiers of God or the army of God who were followers of Muhammad Ata, and they actually were taking credit for it, but they blame it. It was an Iraqi tie-in. And as soon as the, you know, the amaryd source of the anthrax came out, that disappeared. And I don't know, I have not seen that in many years, but I remember reading that manifesto just, you know, less than two

26:29months, I guess, maybe two or three months after 9.11. And I would go, you know, I would go to the library, but what really got me was when Bush says, hey, y'all go shopping. It's all right. We got this. And it's like, huh, yeah, that, that was surreal there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He told everybody to go out and shop. Go out and show. Go back to get that. I said, come on. I'm going to get that. I'm going to do a world series that he bought and said that. I'm not sure exactly when. I'm trying to get back to normal. Let's just go on. It's business as usual. I don't like nothing to say here. Move along. You know, government, government thing. That's what they're doing. Yeah. It's, I can't believe 25 years in a day today. Yeah, you know, I every year, when I, you know, when I did my historical tours, I went right by the site every day on my tours. The only day I refused to go down there was September 11, because I just didn't want to witness the big annual kitty party. Oh, we're victims. And that's the message, right? Every year. Not,

27:35not that we triumph over it, but that we're victims were victims were victims. And most of the New Yorkers, I knew really hated it because like the New York mentality is, oh, you hit us. We're going to come back bigger and better than ever. When they were building the so-called freedom tower, New Yorkers hated the name freedom tower. Everybody wanted the World Trade Center back. And they finally took the name off and called it World Trade Center. But it's like the whole thing is pathetic. The buildings there are pathetic. They're ugly. They don't signify anything great. It's like, and that day, Americans became traumatized victims ready to be told what to do. And I brought up those agencies because I wanted to talk about, first, the amount of money those agencies have taken from the taxpayers to basically control us, take away our liberties and our civil rights, our constitutional rights. And we pay for them. And that reminded me, of course,

28:41of Thomas Payne saying 250 years ago, if you're paying for a government and your life is worse under that government than if you didn't have the government, then you're paying for your own misery. You're twice punished, right? And isn't that what 9-11 really laid the groundwork for? Is this, you know, prison nation where people, I mean, taking off your shoes to get on a flight because some nut was trying to light his shoe on a plane, really? So that happened. Searching everybody, searching your 80 year old grandmother in a wheelchair and shockingly Americans just took it. So we'll be back after the break anymore.

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33:20So from the 1860s through now the people fighting the American government, isn't that? An amazing thing. Before we go on with the second half of the show, I hope you're all enjoying the conversation. If you are, would you please consider supporting us here at RepublicBroadcasting.org where you get to hear conversation, you probably wouldn't hear anywhere else because I can't think of many places that would allow the conversation we're having right now to continue. Before the break, I was going to ask the tramps here to give us some insight on those very or well-known

34:20named agencies and acts. The Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration, and all of the different ways they coerced people into crazy behaviors, making them think those behaviors were making them safe and let's say perhaps laying the groundwork for what would come with COVID. So I wonder if any of you guys would like to take a stab at that? Wow. Yeah, yeah, I'd like to jump in on that. So just to connect our previous conversation before the break with where this, I think, just going, many years ago when I was thinking about the drama, stage drama that was playing out around me and sometimes I was a part of, I tried to look at

35:26it objectively guys and I have to analyze these things. I can't help myself. And I had to come up with some sort of a name or process. What are they doing here? What is happening? And so one of my hobbies is anthropology and the other one is, I guess you could call it psychology or behavioral psychology. And so what I, I guess this is probably 20 years ago, maybe not that long, 18. And I came up with that, what was happening around me was the expression of munch house and by proxies combined with Stockholm syndrome. And it was a hybrid, a hybrid situation that was going on. It was a way for me to explain what I was seeing. So munch house and by proxy, are you familiar with that,

36:30guys? You ever heard of that? Yes, but give an explanation to our listeners. Well, the simple thumb sketch of it is munch house and by proxy is an individual. It's typically associated with females, but not always, but what it is is they will cause an illness or an emergency within their family. Typically with their children, the children will get sick. There will be a lot of drama associated with that and then the mother will step in and miraculously provide the cure or rescue for the children, which then identifies them as the hero, right? And we've seen some really famous cases of that. Yeah. And then, but what happens is,

37:32why you simply get some caught is they keep repeating that because their psychotic or distorted inflicted disease, I don't know, character or personality craves that attention. They need that feedback that they are to hero the savior, the whatever. And so they're basically there are perpetrator. Another analogy might be where somebody is a firefighter who sets fires so they go out and put them out because then they get to be the hero. Okay. So basically, you have government acting as munch house and or masquerading as firefighters who are actually arsonists. Okay. Now exactly. The Stockholm Syndrome aspect of it because you can't have just one side of this. It takes it takes another party. And the other party in this is to tie this into a previous

38:40hour hour and a half was the American people. And to some degree, the the world at large are now looking towards somebody who's actually a perpetrator to provide safety for them and provide substance, food, shelter, protection, safety, information. Your your needs are being met by these very same people that are producing and perpetrating this. And so this this becomes learned helplessness, which is sort of like psychology 101 where you have these distorted personalities, what I call government psychopaths, perpetrating things. And then the people looking to them to protect them from the very people that are in the perpetrators. So that's that's

39:46basically ties the Stockholm Syndrome into a a from the government's point of view. This is a positive feedback loop for them for their agenda and moves it forward. And they reinforce it every year with the 9-11 memorial, right? The reinforcement reinforcement when anybody who has ever been to dog training class knows how important reinforcement is. That's funny. But husband training not to offend any of you guys, but husband training works the same way. Yeah. Yeah. So it's true. Reinforcement over and over. So so every time the FBI would set up, you know, these people for terror as terrorists, right? And when you would see who these people were who were planning to like bomb the fed, they were like, it's just these useless guys who like couldn't find their way out of their own house, probably much less that they had this, you know, extensive idea about bombing the federal reserve.

40:51I remember that one. So the FBI keeps setting those up along the way, right? So they're rescuing you ahead. They're they're intercepting all of these terrible terrorist attacks. And then once a year is the big reinforcement, and most people I think can't find their way out of that. No. No, they and they're yeah, that's that's I think that's really well said. That's that's a great way to try to tie that together. You know, when you talk about these things, it's I try to do it sort of from a point of understanding the people that haven't had our experience or done the research or the insight or had the opportunities or for whatever reason. And it's taking me a long time to back away from trying to tell them everything I know all at one time. It's it's it's really hard. Like like how do you like one of the things Mr. Q and I talk about is how do we as

41:57people who were there and experienced all of that? Explain that one day we came to the understanding that our or our belief understanding that the government did that to us. Yeah. That that the government did that to the people I worked with and their families and my neighbors the government once you cross that line, DW, you can never go back. Well, that's that's why a lot of them don't go back. That's why a lot of people I'm sorry. That's why a lot of people don't want to cross that line. But you know, I you know, like Rich is in in in whitey. It probably hurt me over the years say maybe you've heard me say too is and this is actually I'm like a two-part statement here now. I I use I was saying well what did you believe 10 years ago that you don't believe now?

43:00But today okay I think I think today the appropriate question is what did you believe 25 years ago that you don't believe now? Okay, and I think that's a great way to you know open the door for some people you know but so that relationship you described so well that was created or or it's kind of the same relationship that comes out of trauma-based programming with a victim begins to then you know believe that the person inflicting the trauma is saving them. So how does that then lay the groundwork for the next big one? COVID because then we see them go a little bit further with COVID where we have the government killing the people again. Well, not killing them with the disease and then killing more with the treatment. So get ready to get to that. Guys and rich and

44:05and why do you listen? I think there was another one in between there. Which one? A 2008 financial crisis. Oh how could I forget that? Well, you were there right? How could I forget that? I was I was this was a couple years before it happened. I was having lunch in the world financial center Marina with a guy who's still one of my best friends and he used to sell commercial mortgage backed securities and I remember asking him what was in them and he's drawing it out on a napkin on the table with his like $500 gold pen whatever and I remember saying to him but you know carry those things are all going to fall apart. What happens when those things all explode? He says I'll be gone by then I'm not worried about it. And I was like holy cow. They all know this thing is going to explode or implode or whatever. But you're right. Too big to fail. They were going to

45:11get raptured out. That's their form of being raptured. They're going to that's their I don't know it's the biggest victims of this is Congress. Remember when Hank Paulson got up there was begging for the tar program or threatened to Congress saying they'll be they'll be blooded in the streets if you don't pass this bill. Yeah. Oh like the East India Company. Oh yeah. If you don't buy the tea the British Empire will fail. Yeah I call him Lurge. Hank Paulson he's yeah Paul Lurge but he was he was extorting Congress. He wasn't he was he was telling them this thing was going to unwind in the next 24 hours if they didn't do what he said that kind of sound like a proper Morris would say it isn't it. He basically said yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah wasn't there that picture of him and Bush in a limo on Broad Street by the exchange having

46:12this very serious looking conversation right after Bush said no no bailout and then suddenly there was okay we'll do it. Oh yeah there was that. Is that the time they caught him kissing were they kissing. No I think that was another time. That wasn't a lady's phone. Okay. All right. So we got so would they got some money out of us for that right. Well you know I always thought it was funny they called it tarp you know and and people would say that and I says well what do what do you what do you use a tarp for and people would look at me. Carbis. You want to cover stuff up and hide it right. That's right there was that one and then and you know and I really think that each one of these they're testing to see how far they can go the next time yeah you think so. Oh no every gas lighter in narcissists or

47:16sociopath they're really good you know you you have them in your own life right now somewhere somewhere around you there's somebody at low level mid-level whatever level but they they're test you and they watch your lot they watch your breathing they watch your eyes they wait to see if you shake you know accept or what if you go along with and they just keep pushing it along you know and oh yeah they want that's you have to do that in a sia up to monitor of course now we have algorithms and AI to help them do that right. Oh yeah the next one will be even better. Yeah. So we got COVID right and people did all kinds of crazy stuff there and so this day won't admit they were you know tricked and then we got the current big one that I would love for you guys to talk about today is the two sides of Trump to arrangement syndrome the love Trump side and the

48:19hate Trump side because I think this all is like all building from you know um actually world trade center in 93 then the big world trade center bombing and then um um the bailout the financial crash and um um COVID and then the whole Trump thing people are just getting crazier and crazier with each iteration of these operations. Well okay well there's there's really there's actually have extremely simple answer as to why that's necessary to do most sides. Okay it's it's so simple it's amazing to me the reason that you have constant conversation of Donald Trump since 2016 constant daily every day for 10 years now 12 years

49:24about the most absurd ridiculous if I dare say assinine things is because whether you on the Trump to arrangement pro or Trump to arrangement contrain okay either one of those when you are thinking and talking about Donald Trump you are ignoring the federal system. That's right everything else including the Iran war. Everything you do not talk about you you're making apologies or accusations on the man attacking or apologizing for the man excuses the system. That's right he's the he's the side show clown that keeps you from watching when they're setting up the next ring in the circus. Yeah or you another way is that he's the rodeo clown

50:31and you're just a dumb bull run around trying to hitting. Could be true too Richard and I have have a lot of fun every day sharing Trump memes on both both sides the Trump lovers and the Trump haters. There's some good ones out there especially about 9-11 at all the bull shit he's been saying about it. Have you seen those Darrell? Why didn't you see those lately Trump's way he was pulled out of the rubble by two firemen. He's he's doing his best imitation of a colligula and narrow you know he's little boot. Yeah that's right. Well I said I think I think they were actually insane. Trump I think I don't think Trump's quite there yet. I mean he's he may have the loosen some of his guard but I mean that's just it's called pushing the envelope you know I mean he's he's a consummate troll.

51:31I mean if you look at his true socials it's just unbelievable whoever I'm sure he's given some kind of tacit approval to that but I mean looking at all the stuff that's just been stewed out of his mouth about everything and of course it it it hides the fact that you know we're spending a trillion dot we're borrowing a trillion dollars every 90 days it seems like I mean you remember that Mary we had a balanced budget but at one time we know of course it's smoking mirrors under Bill Clinton and then and then W Bush proceeded to double the national debt from four trillion to eight trillion and we thought that was horrible and look where it is now and you know and what and of course Trump you know what do they say Trump always lies I mean that's just whether there's another word for it but he's just you can't you can't believe a word it's kind of entertaining really you just can't believe a word it comes out of the guys mouth and he so it furiates people on both

52:37you know he he he periods his opposition and then he just you know that just super charges as supporters if there's any less I mean with the gully there are evidently oh there's plenty you know I I like to follow sort of the timeline of the people who are on the pro Trump side because I know a lot of them a lot of them are like white men in my age cohort who I know feel like America became everything they were against but of course they didn't do anything about it because they were too busy listening to El Rushbow every day so they were looking for a hero so these are the guys who still to this day buy the 9-11 story that the buildings collapse because the jet fuel melted the steel and the sound of the explosions were the floors pan-caking one on top of another and that's why you see things shooting out between the floors they still 100% will argue to the death that that's what happened well they're also the same guys who saw through

53:42COVID though like they didn't buy the whole COVID scenario so they saw through that one but then they totally bought the whole Trump 5d chess Trump is the savior he's gonna fight the deep state he's gonna give you back the America you wanted um so I think the trajectory of people is really fascinating which ops they get caught by and which ones they don't or this morning at practice mr cue sent to me no matter what kind of mind you have there's a sia about there looking for you oh looking to trap you there's so many of these going on and I know you Southern guys have the guys down there who are really hardcore pro Trump Trump is playing 5d chess stuff and I just wonder like what your interaction is with them and and how you deal with them it can be hard uh Steven and I have a mutual friend over there and in travelers rest

54:45gonna has the biggest Confederate store you have ever seen in your life I mean all kinds of oh I know the store right yeah all kinds of flexes and everything and he's like he's a titriker your biggest fortune a pro Trump like he's going to like all this Trump jar. And he goes, well, you know, it's it's a money maker. What's your dad are you? We got a message from Mike who says, um, politics has replaced soap opera for entertainment and emotional control. Yes. And Trump is the big soap opera, right?

55:45Well, he's the reality TV star. You know, he still is. He still is. He's been in training there. So we're just back in the night. Fortunately, I got to and knock you lady against my guess. I have no work on a job in the early 90s when we're doing on nightclub and they, uh, I'm convinced it was a money laundering, uh, uh, operation for some Chinese money, but they had a construction manager that they brought down from from New York City. And, uh, uh, so I mean, he was the advisor to the owner as opposed to the contractor. So I got talking to him one time and the subject of Trump came up and man, he gave me a lowdown on Trump from his perspective of having been in business in New York City and seeing him. Oh, all the bills he doesn't pay. And then you tell people, just sue me, sue me. Yep. All the subcontractors he stiffed. I mean, yeah, it's just yeah. Yeah. But it's interesting to me that the people who are caught up on one side or the other of Trump are so blinded that they can't see anything rationally anymore.

56:53So like the Trump haters believe stuff that's totally crazy about him and his family. It's just totally off the wall and crazy. Um, and they can't see any aspect of politics clearly anymore, right? They can't just judge anything with any kind of, um, um, critical skills, but they think they're critical thinkers. Now the pro-Trump people really think they're critical thinkers. You know, they're the smart, intelligent, critical thinking people, but they can't see anything, but hate. You know, they're the both sides are full of hate, right? Um, but they can't see anything other than their hate for anyone who doesn't love Trump. If you don't love Trump, you're the enemy. And on the other side, if you don't hate Trump, you're the enemy. And I just think he was a brilliantly constructed sia, whoever constructed it. And it reminds me a lot of the 1850s. Oh, it's time for our on the hour break.

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