Reclaiming the Forbidden: Sex, Power, and the Life Force Religion Suppressed

Welcome, everybody, to another episode of the Almost Awakened podcast.

I'm joined by my co-host Teresa Hobbs.

How are you, Teresa?

I'm good.

Thank you.

Good.

We're sitting down with Kimberly Bryant today.

You go by the name of Ms. Bliss.

This will be, I think, an exciting conversation.

I've been excited to have this for a few weeks now, and I want to give you a moment, Kimberly,

to set the stage, help us understand maybe a little bit about who you are or whatever

you want to say about yourself.

Yeah, help us understand who you are.

And let's go from there.

I've got some questions that'll sort of follow that up about your background and what

brought you to the space that you're in.

But let's start off with just a little bio of yourself.

Yeah, I am Kimberly Bryant, or, as you said, Ms. Bliss.

I am a Dominatrix in intimacy coach, and I help people navigate leaving high demand

religions, relationships, and cultures reclaim the power around their mental, emotional,

physical, spiritual, and sexual energy.

And I love working with those who are like, sexual energy.

Oh, my gosh.

What is this?

And so I find so much pleasure coming from an ex-mormon background and leaving over

10 years ago now and being a mom of five, I realize there's so much that of myself that

I've been missing and has been numb and really diving into your arrows and those parts

of the lightest up inside.

That's really been my mission in life is watching other people come alive again and feel

what it actually feels like to be human.

Yeah.

And as it into various aspects of that and what that all involves, I want to at least start

by asking like, what brought you to that?

What was life like?

Or you were in this arena and then what drew you to make the shift to being a resource

for people in this way?

Yeah.

Like, it goes way back, way back to even being a child and feeling like there was something

missing within me.

I've always been a very curious, a very something, something's in this world and I can't quite

place it, you know, and so as I grew and got more curious about my sensuality and my

body and pleasure, I realized that the more I went into that, the more it was shamed

and the more it was controlled and the more it was taboo.

And the comments from growing up Mormon, the comments of your leaders and your parents

really started shaping that belief of that my sexuality or my sensuality or my arrows

was something to be shamed.

And so I got married at 20 because that's what you do in your Mormon and you know, I went

through young women's and they're like, the purity culture and oh, I've always had

a bigger trust.

Oh, can't show any kind of boob, which can't show those can't show that.

And I was just like, man, there's so much control here.

But I knew that I wanted eternal marriage and I wanted my family to be together forever

and I knew that I wanted to be a mom and knew this and knew that all these beliefs that

were given to me and I became a shell of a person.

I got married at 20, popped out five kids in five and a half years, my husband was the head

of a local congregation.

Like we were the head of our social network and yet something was still missing.

I was still missing, Kimberly was still missing, my fire, my passion and I remember sitting

there in church and I had five kids, I was four kids, four and a half, heavily pregnant

with my fifth child and I just remember being like, I am so miserable.

I am so beyond miserable.

I'm checking all the boxes, I'm doing all the things, I'm serving and serving and serving

and giving and giving and doing all these different things and I'm like, I feel nothing.

I feel nothing.

And I was like, there has to be more to life than this.

And I remember being on the edge of saying, you know what, my kids will be better off

without me, my husband will be better off without me, my friends, my family, they'll be

better off without me.

And I would be better off because I'm so tired of living this life.

And so, back in 2015, I had just had my fifth kid and my husband said to me, hey, I don't

think I believe in the church anymore, I'm certain of question things.

And I was just like, what?

Because that's the path that we had chosen.

I didn't necessarily believe in it.

But I believed in community, I believed in love, I believed in all the things that the

church sort of wasn't but was at the same time, that's hard to describe.

And so I started really questioning things.

And as your shelf breaks, as the foundation of your life gets ripped out from underneath

you and all of it comes crumbling down around you, you have to pick up each individual

piece of your foundation and re-evaluate it and ask yourself, is this who I am?

Is this who I was trained to be and is this who I want to be?

And one of those things that I never really picked up and re-evaluated was my arrows,

was my sexuality, was my pleasure, was my own, nothing can take away from me and no one

can give me, it's my own.

And as I'm re-evaluating and navigating things, I realize I'm like, oh shit, I've been

offline my entire life, I've been pretending my entire life.

And I was just like, something has to change.

And as I really took that piece of my foundation, that part of who I am, and sort of re-evaluating

it as parts of me starting to come alive and I started to feel again, I was like, this

is scary as fuck, this is so much, I sound like, and there was, I had no, no one to go to,

no one to talk to about these things, no one to be like, hey, you know the things that

we're told not to actually think, feel and believe, I do.

And like, and I notice the people around me, the more I start talking about sex, the

more I start talking about arrows, the more I start feeling into myself again, it scared

the shit out of people.

And it made them even more scared and afraid.

And so in 2015, I was starting to pick up these, these foundational pieces and I realized

I was like, wait, I'm not the only one, I can't be the only one.

And as I really started going into the community of everybody and into post-mormons and ex-mormons

and those navigating leaving and those questioning and all these different things, I noticed

one thing, no one knew what the fuck they wanted.

They just knew that they didn't want what they had already.

And that is a really scary place to be.

And I've always believed that I have to go through shit to help other people go through

shit.

And so I really took the time and navigated and asked myself, all of these questions

and dove in, you know, like when you're in the church and the pendulum is over here,

can't do anything, can't do anything, you're not, no, no, no, no, and the pendulum swings

in it.

Woo!

It tends to go the opposite way, right?

Same.

Same.

And I realized as I'm working with more people who are navigating leaving these high

demand religions and cultures and relationships, they don't need someone to tell them what to

do.

They just need someone to sort of, it's okay.

You got this.

Yeah.

Feel into it.

What does that feel like?

How does it feel to actually choose?

How does it feel to feel your body again?

Yeah, it's scary as fuck.

It's scary.

It's okay.

You're not alone.

You're here.

I got you.

That's where really helped guide me into this work is I did alone.

And I saw so many people around me doing it alone and I was like, there has to be a better

way of doing this.

There has to be a way where we can have fun and be playful and be intentional and have

the power of choice.

Like we have a choice now.

We talk about coming from, you know, the Mormon background, free agency and choice and

this ball fucking shit.

We didn't have free agency.

It was all controlled.

Like free agency.

Oh, guess what?

You think about, you know, someone's tits or their ass or whatever.

You're going to hell because sexual sin is next to death or is next to murder.

You know, oh, can't go live with God again.

I masturbated.

You know, like there's so much there.

There's so much shame.

And I think for me, like this work that I do plays with that shame.

It gives you permission to play with it and feel it and alchemize it and choose that

space between where where you have been and where you want to be that middle, that

part where you're just like, I'm fucking terrified and excited at the same time.

Like that right there, that's that juicy part.

And that's where I really bring people into is that play, that choice, that reclamation,

even little things like for me, reclaiming the forbidden because that's what this is

all about.

Reclaiming those parts of us that have been forgiven forbidden, that have been offline

for so long, that have been shamed and controlled by not just the high demand systems, but then

the people within the high demand systems showing my shoulder, oh, can't show your shoulder.

Taboo can't do that.

Not a you.

Oh, red lipstick only horrors wear red lipstick.

So every single time I put on this red fucking lipstick, guess what?

I'm like, yeah, that's right girl.

Yeah, that's right.

You know, because there's playfulness in it.

That's a choice that we're making every single time to feel other shame in your red

lip, a little bit, not so much as it used to be.

It's these little micro choices that we make that really reclaim the parts of us that

have been controlled by other people for so long.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have two questions for you.

Absolutely.

Okay.

So you've mentioned eros several times.

So I want to know, how do you, how do you define that?

What is that?

My first question.

Yeah.

Eros is your life force energy.

It is the power that comes from within.

Have you ever gotten full body goosebumps?

That's your eros.

Have you ever gotten this inspiration out of nowhere and your whole body lights up and

you're just like, fuck yes, that's your eros.

This doesn't necessarily mean sexual.

It means life force, pleasure, play, creativity, connection, cultivation.

These are all parts of us that are controlled by our sexuality.

When our sexuality is controlled, it cuts us off from our life force.

It cuts us off from our eros.

And when we're really able to feel into it, really deep down in our pelvis and really

feel into ourselves, that movement right there, that breath that you really feel, that

it's not sexual.

That's eros.

Breathing deep into yourself, it's a juicy, juicy thing that we get to tap into and

really pull these beautiful, magical moments from when we're able to fully feel what that

feels like.

I love that.

That's beautiful.

Here's my second question.

Sorry, and I'll give you a space bill, but as you're talking about this stuff, I'm having

these thoughts because a lot of people, after leaving religion, you said that it's really

scary, right?

Stuff starts to wake up and you can feel overwhelmed or out of control.

My question for you is, what helps people stay regulated when this eros or life force

energy starts to sort of wake up after so much suppression?

How do they stay, how do they manage to not go completely off the rails?

There's a couple of going off the rails too, right?

There's the choices that we make that can tend to go off the rails a little bit.

And there's also this wave of shame and fear that comes along with feeling again, because

this really fucking scary.

I don't have the perfect answer to that.

I think it really depends on who the person is, but the thing that I really feel like

while strongly about is slow the fuck down, slow down, because when it comes back on,

it feels like a wave of all of everything, all of the hormones, all of the endorphins,

all of the shame, all of everything comes back online, and you start questioning everything

and you're just like, I don't know what to do.

So I say slow down, slow down, regulate your nervous system.

That is the biggest tool that people do not talk about is a regulated nervous system.

If we are, guess what, we're gonna fucking, we're gonna panic, we're gonna go insane,

we're gonna be like, oh my gosh, this is a lot.

We're not used to this, we're used to not feeling, we're used to being numb, we're used

to being fueled by fear and guilt and shame and doubt and not knowing ourselves.

So slow down, get curious, huge thing for me is community.

Community is such a vast thing, if you can find yourself a conscious kink community,

that is going to really help you navigate those moments where you're just like, I'm

going off rail.

Hey, I'm not quite sure what I'm doing here, I really could use some support, I'm feeling

way over here, way over there, but having even one person in your corner be like, yeah,

that's normal.

Yeah girl, I get you.

Oh, you're having some shame around around these things, totally normal.

Like normalizing the fear, normalizing the stuff that comes up, this is all fucking normal,

but we are taught that it's not normal.

That's the biggest thing we're taught from a very young age and Mormonism, that sexuality

and sensuality and arrows and pleasure is not normal, it's something to be feared.

But this is completely normal and it's human.

I know looking back, I was like so confused in the church, I was so confused, I was like,

wait a minute, wait a minute.

We have a Heavenly Father who knows us and loves us so perfectly, then why would he

give me this mind and this body and this spirit and the sensuality and this passion and

this voice for a reason and then tell me that I'm not allowed to use it.

And if I do use it, then he will no longer allow me to live with him again.

What the fuck?

This is not the kind of guy that I want to believe in, like what?

And so I was like navigating, that was like, wait a minute, the God that I know, the God

that I believe in, he's a kinky motherfucker, like, let's be honest, okay, like you look

around and you can sexualize a shit out of anything, you can be like, oh I had a shit

day, oh man, my day fucked me hard.

And now that really gave me a good one, like, I was spanked today, oh thank you, thank

you for spanking me, you remind me that I'm alive, you know.

So there's so many different ways that we can navigate having our arrows come back

on alive.

One of the biggest tools that I have for people who are just, just coming into this,

just saying, I haven't, they haven't even looked themselves in the mirror because there's

so much shame even around their own bodies.

The biggest tool that I have with people who are just even tipping their toe into the

kitty pool, they're just like, I'm being brave enough, just to test the water is to stand

in front of the mirror and to actually look at yourself and feel what it feels like,

what does it feel like to just touch your own skin?

What does it feel like to feel the curves of your own body?

Does it bring up shame?

That's okay.

Does it bring up sensations?

What are you feeling?

What are you thinking?

Our arrows is about feeling.

We're cut off from feeling.

So what I do is I just give people permission to feel, to get curious, to play, to really

say, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

And I'm here.

I'm doing it.

I'm stepping in.

I'm being brave.

I'm getting.

It's like, how I say people is like, you're sitting on the edge of a, of a, of a, I have

a waterfall outside my, my window right now.

So I always look, look at that when I think of this analogy, but you're sitting right at

the edge of that cliff and you know you can't go back and you know that you have to jump,

but you have no fucking idea what you're jumping into.

You're just trusting and you're saying, you know what?

I tried that.

I didn't work for me.

I'm going to trust myself and I'm going to jump in and I'm going to be like, whatever

happens going to happen.

It's all about curiosity and permission to feel is really what it boils back down to.

As we've had this conversation, there are so many moments, again, what you're saying

has a flirtatious, sensual, sexual articulation to it.

But as you described, everything you've said since we started the conversation, there

are overlap to the things that Theresa and I helped people to do it.

And you know, you know, the whole way through that's what I'm thinking, yeah.

So.

When you said like slow people down, it's such a big part for me, I, I see people who

deconstruct high demand religion in a single evening and then they go off to be something

other than what they were the day before.

And I feel like it's so much more chaotic and it comes with so much more risk of swinging.

As you said, the pendulum way too far, the other direction that if we can just slow people

down, say, hey, it's safe to explore this, take your time.

If you stay a little longer while you figure this out, so you don't hurt family relationships

or you don't, uh, you don't damage the, the, the, the connections you have to your community.

Some of that, the system's going to break up on its own for you.

But some of it, you're going to risk losing yourself if you rush through this too quickly.

And so I love that.

You talked a lot about body regulation and, and, you know, taking a breath and just being

present with yourself.

And so there's no doubt in my mind that you have figured a lot of shit out and you understand

the tools that are needed to work your way into a healthy, vibrant second half of life.

And I also get, I also get that you, the way you've described your story, we get to this

moment now and I realize like, oh, yeah, there's no doubt she is qualified to do the work

that she's doing.

But my question now is, where does it go from being qualified to do that thing to actually

taking on clients and, uh, showing up as a dominatrix to be a resource to them?

Yeah.

Can you, can you, uh, just rephrase that question just a little bit?

Yeah, I want to understand how you got into the career of it.

Like what, what did it look like to go from having the tools to be that resource for people

to actually giving out your name and number and showing up for people that way?

Yeah, I actually have a little bit of a, like, sort of as reverse how I got here.

Um, so I was at, one of my girlfriends was like, hey, have you ever heard of like a sugar

baby sugar daddy thing?

And I was just like, um, I haven't, but, uh, curious, you know, that's interesting.

And I'm being a curious person always, I'm like, hmm, I wonder what that's about.

And so I joined like this sugar baby sugar daddy site and they're like, they all wanted

sex and, you know, girlfriends and relationships and this and that.

I'm like, that's not what I'm willing to give.

And then I started digging deeper and getting a little bit more curious about what it is

these gentlemen actually want.

And so one of them, hey, hey, are you a dominatrix?

Would you do downwork?

Da-da-da-da-da, this and that.

And I'm like, I'm a kinky motherfucker anyway.

I've never done that before, but let's go ahead and see what this is about, you know?

Um, and so I took on that kind of the first time completely un, unqualified by the way.

I'm being very blunt here.

Like, at the time I was very unqualified, no idea what the fuck I was doing, I was jumping

in that pendulum swing, I jumped in the deep end and said, figure it out.

Um, and that was part of my journey though too, is recognizing like, yes, there's dom work.

There's, there's so many beautiful dominatrixes and, and, you know, um, con, or kink leaders

and all of these different things.

But as I was working with these gentlemen, I was like, this feels very shallow to me.

This feels very surface level.

It feels like I'm just continuing a pattern of abuse rather than helping them work through

what it is they actually truly deeply desire.

You say more about, like, what do you mean by your contributing to the perpetuation of

a pattern of abuse?

Yeah.

So for instance, if someone had dealt with a lot of, um, childhood abuse, childhood sexual

abuse or physical abuse or mental abuse.

Um, their kinks tend to be associated with something along the lines of whatever that

trauma is.

And so a lot of the degradation that you didn't get a lot of love growing up, they got a

lot of, you know, so much abuse, you know, from their parents, emotional abuse.

And so it played into what they're asking for.

And so as I was, as I was performing as I was the dom and, you know, trying to fill in

their roles and things like that or their, their wants and things like that, I realized

I was like, wait a minute, these aren't just human beings at the end of the day.

These are just other humans that want to feel seen and want to feel safe and want to explore.

And what they're asking for isn't actually what they want.

They just don't have the language and the knowledge to ask for something different.

And so that really opened my eyes to this idea of, wait a minute, can we take, can we take

my dominatrix work?

And how can we cultivate that into my intimacy coaching?

Because really what that's what it is is like people want the intimacy with themselves.

They want to know how to bring kink or their sexuality or their sensuality to other relationships.

And how can we do that in a healthy way?

How can we do that with a regulated nervous system?

How can we do that with choice and intentionality and balance and healthy boundaries and communication?

How can we do those things?

And so as I started diving more into that, I started diving into myself, into my own arrows,

into my own blockage, into my own shadows, into my own kinks and desires, and what actually lights me up inside.

And so as I was navigating leaving, or as I was navigating my DOM work into my intimacy coaching,

I then became part of these conscious kink communities where these individuals just fucking open my mind and my eyes

to things. I was just like, wait a minute, everything that I've always known and believed,

there's other people who believe and know it too.

Like, this is amazing.

And so now as I'm pulling, as I have my clients coming to me, I have a structure that I've built.

And so I don't do one-offs.

I only hold containers.

And so for me, that allows people to get deeper into what actually lights them up inside.

And then from that, we can play.

That's when we have our play time.

That's where we can build the containers of our our our BDSM or our kink scenes or things like that.

And it's all cultivated.

It's all communicated.

It's not, I'm telling you what to do.

No, no.

You have to ask for what you want.

And asking for what you want sometimes is the hardest fucking thing.

People would rather get their ass beat than be vulnerable enough to say, hey, this is actually what I want.

And so I get to bring that out of people.

I get to help them use their voice and their power to actually ask for what they want.

And then with that, tap into their arrows, tap into their pleasure, tap into their life force.

One of my, one of my dearest clients, it's so funny.

He's like, you just love making me cry, don't you?

And I'm like, sort of.

I was like, how does that feel?

He's like, I haven't felt in 10 years.

I haven't felt in 10 years.

He's like, I thought I was past all of that.

I healed.

I moved on.

I did the thing like you were saying about one, one night and we're wrapping all up and move on.

Different person.

That's not fucking reality.

Because guess what happens?

Five years, 10 years, 20 years, two months down the road.

That shit is still there.

There's, you have to be able to move that energy through your body.

And that's one of the things that I do as a dominatrix is I help people actually move the energy through their body.

It's not impacting them.

They're getting it out through pleasure, through pain, through crying in tears and laughter and love and all of the different things.

It's holding the polarities of everything because as human beings, we are so, we have so much polarities within us.

And so this is an opportunity for people to do so in an unorthodox way.

But that really,

like it really,

this word brings it all together.

You're meant in the emotional, physical, spiritual and sexual.

When your sexual energy is offline, it affects every other aspect of your life.

And it sounds like you're asking people to become embodied.

Like you talked about like this surface level sort of stuff that people do.

And that's, I mean, honestly from my perspective,

that's kind of how I've seen, you know, of this kind of stuff, BDSM or dominatrix kind of stuff is like,

it's this surface level play.

And it's been hard for me to understand how that could translate more deeply.

But, but like everything that you seem to share with people is inviting them into that space.

And even like when you were talking about having people just look in the mirror and just like,

oh, you feel shame, okay, well, well, that's okay.

So again, you do a lot of stuff that I do.

You normalize, you give people permission.

And then you invite them to slow down and, and be with.

And so my question to you is like, how, how do you get people to move through the fear so that they can truly be courageous enough and brave enough to like be with?

Because that is one of the hardest things.

That is literally the biggest block for most people.

They don't want to feel that stuff.

So how do you invite them into that?

That's all you can do is invite, is show them, hey, I see you.

I've been there too.

You don't have to do this alone.

They have, they have to be brave enough to say, I am fucking terrified.

And I love myself enough to know that I have to take this next step.

We grew up self-arrasure.

We have been erased.

Our identity, our wants, our desires have been erased.

And so people asked me a little time.

What's the first thing that you notice when people are leaving high demand religions?

They are numb.

They don't know what they want.

They don't know how to feel.

They don't know how to ask and how to use their voice because they have been trained.

Their entire life's to fear the very things that they need in order to feel alive.

Their voice, their pleasure, their power, their choice.

That has been cut off.

And so now they don't even know, I didn't even know that I had a choice.

I didn't even know that I had a choice to think differently or that I had what's consent.

I never learned about consent in the church or growing up.

What the fuck was that?

No, you just do what you've got to do.

You put your head down.

You say, yes, you do what you know, you never say no to a calling or this or that.

Oh, you have no choice.

Now we do.

And for me, helping people, I say thank you for being brave.

Thank you for being brave for even showing up and having this conversation.

Thank you for being brave enough to say, hey, I'm ready.

I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm standing here with shaking knees and I know that I deserve better than this.

And I don't think that a lot of people even know that they deserve better than what they have.

I love that.

For most people, when we have a conversation around kink, for people who have not delved into that arena,

they feel a ton of shame and fear just to go there.

I remember having a conversation early in my time doing the almost awakened podcast where the topic was kinks.

And I shared with the audience.

And I've been made fun of for I don't give a shit.

And it's not like this is some major kink.

But what I am turned on by is when my romantic partner cries.

But it's not my fault.

I didn't.

I'm responsible for this.

I'm not.

Somebody did something that disrupted their world.

And so they're sad and they're crying.

And it turns me on.

And I don't have a problem saying that.

I'm not asking.

There are people on the apologetic, the believing side of Mormonism who use it as a way to like discredit me or make fun of me.

Okay.

It really says something more about their discomfort about themselves and who they are.

But I wanted to say it in the episode because I wanted to make it safe.

One of the things I really notice about how you articulate things.

And in response to the question Teresa just asked you, it seems quite apparent to me that you make it safe for your clients to lean in.

And I'm really impressed by that.

So kink causes so many people fear and shame.

And I'm just curious how you help people understand kink not as a pathology, but maybe as a structured consensual exploration that can actually regulate the nervous system.

Like how do you get them to stop seeing kink is the scary thing that they really want.

They want to say they want to do.

But there's so much fear in this world of being made fun of.

Or of it not going the right way or being seen as creepy or weird.

How do you get someone to explore the things they want to explore but are just so scared to even begin to tap into that?

I think what you said to be in the beginning is that safety.

Having a place where people can go to to actually feel safe.

That's the biggest thing is if we don't have a container to play in that feels safe and secure and loving and intentional, then how are we supposed to let down our guard and have to actually get curious.

Curiosity can only happen when we feel safe.

And growing up Mormon, we even I don't know if I'm about you guys, but I never really felt safe.

I never really truly felt safe in my own body, in my own mind, in my environment, in the people around me.

I felt like I was constantly being analyzed and judged and oh my gosh, can you see her shoulder?

She's going to hell. Oh, this is happening. Oh, this is happening.

And so I was constantly monitoring myself.

And I think the safety is the biggest part of it.

And I do want to talk a little bit about what kink is because I think sometimes people get confused what kink is.

Kink is getting turned on by the taboo.

Whatever that looks like for you.

So for me getting turned on by the taboo could be as easy as like I was saying earlier, the red lipstick.

Ooh, that's taboo.

Ooh, I'm getting turned on by it.

Oh, yeah, there's something so little, but it's a choice that we make.

It's that safety.

Sometimes the safest, the safest thing to do for your own nervous system, for your own regulation, for that person saying,

I want to step my toe into it, but I don't want to be exposed.

I don't want to have the backlash. I don't want to have this.

I don't want to have that is to actually go into self pleasure.

It is a go into yourself.

Be alone with yourself with your own body.

Get curious about yourself.

The things that, if masturbation is one of those things that are taboo for you and still bring you some shame, play with that.

Kink of fire.

What does that mean? What does that feel like?

And give yourself permission.

If you need someone to be there next to you, while you do that to help guide you to remind you that you're safe,

there's so many beautiful conscious kink leaders who allow that space, or that provide that space for you to really sink into.

That's my favorite thing to do.

Is the moment you walk in the door. This is what I tell people.

The moment you walk in the door, you're to hang up all your roles and responsibilities and everything at the door.

I don't even watch your name because that was given to you too.

I want to know who you are.

What turns you on?

What lights you up inside?

Where's your shadows? Where's your taboo?

How can we play with this?

Let's get curious. Let's play.

And so by providing people that save container, that safe space to really get curious about those parts of themselves, can we...

I smile because I'm like thinking about all my clients as they, like, it's like a light switch.

It's like just...

Ooh, a liveness.

Oh!

There you are.

There you are!

That liveness that comes out again.

And it's scary as fuck when all of a sudden, because afterwards, you have this charge that comes out of you and you're like,

I'm flying high, I'm doing the good things.

And then all of a sudden, you have the crash.

And people aren't prepared for the crash afterwards.

They're not prepared for their nervous systems to go into the shame spiral, into this, into this, into this.

All these different things.

And so, aftercare is a huge thing when it comes to the work that I do,

making sure that we're providing a safety within the container and the safety with aftercare as well.

That's why I only do containers for my intimacy and dominatrix work,

because it's really important to me that I know them that we build a rapport, that we have a relationship of some sort.

So then I can help them navigate that journey into where they are currently and where they want to be on to their personal journeys.

But yes, okay.

Yeah, good.

I want to say one more thing and then Theresa, feel free to ask whatever, but I just want to point people back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

And as you point out, like you're not going to be able to be your authentic self, show up vulnerably, unless you feel safe.

And so at the bottom of that pyramid is the physiological needs and you've got safety needs, belonging and social needs, self esteem needs.

And only then, once those are all met, can you truly do the deep work of self actualization?

And so just a note to listeners, I think you're hitting the nail on the head, you need a ton of safety to be able to explore the reality of who you are,

what you want and how you want to show up in the world.

So who does to you for giving that to people?

Well, I want to ask a little bit about dominance and submission dynamics because I want to ask it in regards to people who've had sexual trauma.

Right.

So how have you seen that help people through that?

And is it like do people typically only take on one role or do they do they shift?

Do they move from dominance to submission or submission to dominance?

Yes.

I love that question.

I also want to think it's really important that we actually talk about what dominance and submission are.

And so in my world, I say leader and follower.

And so as a dominant, you are the leader.

You're the one that holds the container where the follower gets to follow direction and fall and and be led through this experience.

And so there is there's certain levels obviously of dominant and submission.

Relationship and like in the context of what that could look like.

I'll use some examples for for my work at least.

Very much on a personal level, I'm a switch.

So I can be both submissive and dominant within the work that I do.

I also notice that the clients that I have typically are more switches as well.

But they have never allowed themselves to fully embrace either parts of who they are because there has been so much sexual shame around being sexual at all.

There's so much shame around.

They're there.

I sexual sexual sexual sexual assault history myself.

So sometimes it tends to come up.

The work that I do is really important for me personally because it's all about reclaiming those parts of us that were taken from us.

And with a dominant and submissive role, being in a submissive state when you've already had someone take that from you is incredibly vulnerable.

It's saying I trust you enough to keep me safe so I can fully feel into the surrender of my own body and my own pleasure.

And as the dominant or as the leader, you have this beautiful responsibility to hold, to hold that feeling, to pull that out of them, to remind them that they're safe, that they're held, that they're full expression as beautiful and a gift, and that they are healing themselves.

I'm not healing them.

I'm not doing it.

I'm just holding it.

They're the ones doing the work.

They're the ones that are brave enough to say, this is what I want and this is who I am.

Brave enough to say, I'm reclaiming the parts of me that have been taken from me, that have been forbidden, the parts of me that have been cut off.

The parts of me I didn't even know existed.

I'm choosing them. I'm stepping into that.

As a dominant smith of, as a DOM, you actually have a lot of responsibility, but as a submissive you do too.

And the responsibility isn't really, for me at least, isn't really to the DOM. It isn't to me.

The responsibility is to yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm curious.

I think it was really dynamic for me to lean into.

I've always been a person who lived a life based on consent.

But then I've also been an unhealthy individual in the past where I didn't have great ability to manage my own feelings.

And so I would show up in ways that lashed out at others and imposed like my activation inside as if it was their problem.

And there came a point maybe, I don't know, five, eight years ago, where I just came across like the topic of consent dive deep into it and gained an appreciation for consent generally and then enthusiastic consent, which really plays out in this space of sensuality, sexuality and engaging another person.

And I'm always in the almost awakened podcast, I've spent episodes trying to help people understand how to make reasonable request of another person, how to negotiate what one needs while also leaving room for the other person to be able to say no.

And so that there's balance and fairness, there's not privilege or a power differential.

But you're playing in this space where on a playful, maybe I'm going to say it this way, you can correct me, but maybe on a playful imagined level, there is a power differential and there is someone in charge leading and there is someone following even if that person, even if you're setting up structures and boundaries that allow that person to know that they're following by their own complete, you know, free will and choice.

I'm curious how you go about teaching consent in this structure. Yeah.

And what that looks like. Yeah, I love this question, by the way, this is one of my favorite ones. So my mentor has a beautiful acronym that she uses. And so I took that I'm using it as well. It's called our BDSMA.

So our relationship, what are your relate, what's your relationship boundaries? What do you have? This is all this is a conversation that you have prior to even playing prior to having any kind of scene, any kind of like what I do with my clients, all of that.

We can we sit down for three hours, our very first session is we sit down for three hours and we go through everything we go through the consent conversation, we go through the RBDSMA, we go through the King checklist, we go through all these different things.

But what it really boils down to is having that conversation with someone, I think that's what your question is, right? How do you have that conversation with someone?

The RBDMS say our relationships, what's your relationship agreements?

You guys are in a relationship, right? So it's just conversation. Can you like, are you married? Are you being addicted to whatever it is? You know, what's your relationship agreement?

What are your boundaries? You're going into a scene or you're going to a play party or going into even just a casual get together. What are your boundaries that you have for yourself?

Communicate those. Do you even know what your boundaries are? A lot of people don't even know what their boundaries are. Get curious about those.

RBD desires. What do you desire for tonight? What do you desire for our connection? Do you desire to lead? Do you desire to follow?

Do you desire to have your ass beat? Do you desire to have cuddles and be slow? Do you desire, like what is it that you desire?

Because what you desire and what I desire might not be linked, might not be the same. And that's okay.

It just means that we're not on the same bed today and we don't have to play. Or we can say, you know, I don't desire this, but I do desire this. Are you willing and open to talking about that?

It's just that open communication. S is sexual health. So when one's last time you got tested, what is your sexual health? Do you have any things that I need to be aware of? Any of those things?

Meaning. What's the meaning behind this? Are we going to get married tomorrow? Yeah. Are we going to go to that?

Or do you want to get coffee tomorrow? Or do we need a conversation like later on? Or are we just here to play and have fun? Like what's the meaning behind all of this?

And then a, after care. What do you need? What do you need after this? Do you need a phone conversation? Do you need cuddles? Do you need space?

Like what is it that you actually need? And so by having this conversation prior to any kind of play, prior to any kind of like with my clients, any kind of scenes that we're developing, we have these conversations.

And I typically don't have them like with my clients like throughout the time that we're working together, because it's already established.

And if something changes, then I leave it up to them to sort of come and say, hey, just letting you know we need to sort of reevaluate that conversation.

But yeah, that's one of the best tools that I have. And then I've learned and I absolutely see working over and over and over and over again is the RBD MSA conversation.

That's amazing. I love that so much. That's, I mean, that's like very consensual. Like that's every level. That's, you know, like you're talking about like, you know, what are your feelings going to be afterwards? What do you need supportive ways afterwards?

Like all expectations are discussed and met. And I think that's incredible.

So again, I don't want to ask a question that is appropriate, inappropriate to ask, but I'll say it this way. In your line of work, you're working with different people.

You're having an experience too in those moments. I have to imagine on one hand, sometimes the client develops feelings for you that they want the situation to be more than you professionally have agreed to.

I also have to imagine maybe sometimes you have feelings. You're a human being. You feel serious how you navigate that.

It's interesting because I'm like, do I have feelings? I love people. I love human beings. I love seeing someone like fully alive. Like there's something I'm just like, so, so good about that.

And I'm very much the type of person that I can love them within the containment of whatever it is that we're holding.

So for me coming into this, I can say, I love this person. I love who this person is. I love the time that we spend together. I all of that.

And because of the boundaries that I personally have working with my clients, I never allow it to get to the point where my feelings are really anything beyond that.

Now my clients are amazing. And I love them. And so me making sure my boundaries are very strict, prevents any kind of question mark as far as like feelings are going to come up.

The feelings are going to happen. That's what happens when you feel again. You come back alive. The person that helps you feel safe. It's natural to bond with that person.

It's natural to be like, oh my gosh, I love them. I want to be with them. I'm going to destroy my entire life just to make it happen. Like that's a very normal thing to have. And so I normalize that. I normalize it because they were all fucking human beings at the end of the day.

And all I am is just a mere representation of their own love. Like when they look in the mirror, the feelings that they have for me, can they have it for themselves?

Can they say, yeah, I'm fucking amazing. Yeah, I work my ass up. Look at me being brave. Look at me reclaiming those parts of me. Look at me like feeling again.

It's all about really allowing the other person to see themselves through me. I'm just a vessel. I'm just a container that allows people to fully express themselves and a guy to allow them to feel.

Yeah, that's so beautiful. Again, it is it is like a mirror like when and when somebody can see like that look in your eyes of total acceptance of warmth of really love, right?

Like you are reflecting a sense of love to them. Then then it is like it wakes that up inside of them and helps them understand how that feels internally so that they can start tapping into that and find other ways to generate that.

And the most powerful way is an internal sense of generation, which a lot of people, if they've never felt it, how are they supposed to even know how to bring it to themselves?

So that's incredibly powerful and a huge gift that you give to people. And I relate a lot. Again, like there's so many levels that like you're talking about that I'm like, well, I do that in my work too.

Like that's such a cool thing. So yeah, yeah, really, really amazing. And one of the question I had.

So again, like you were talking about how how this is like this is medicine, not indulgence, this idea of like play.

And so, you know, in your experience, why is play so threatening to controlling systems and why is it so healing for people who are recovering from systems like that?

Play is all about arrows. Play if you really think about it, you think back to being a child and you're playing and you're full of joy and pleasure and laughter and excitement and all and creation and connection and all these different things.

Like even as I'm sitting right now, I'm like, so doing this in my seat because I can feel it like in my pelvis, like that's that pleasure, the play that comes along with it.

When play is cut off, our arrows is cut off, our curiosity is cut off. And the church has a beautiful way about doing this, where if they have these little soldiers that are completely faceless, they're emotionless, they put out a happy phase.

And speaking these really high voices, you know what I'm talking about, right? There's no reality there.

There's keeping up with the fucking Joneses and this and that, but play, play is dirty. It's real, it's raw, it's authentic, it's not controlled.

If you really allow yourself to play into feel, it's not controlled. And because it's not controlled, it scares the shit out of high demand systems.

Because their number one thing is to control the people. And if you control the people, then you get what you want, which is control. That's what it really boils down to.

They want the control so they control the people, the people control each other. They like, the systems don't even have to do anything anymore, because they train the people to do the work for them.

And so I'm like, what happened so when the people are like, fuck this, fuck, I'm tired of being controlled. I'm tired of managing other people. How much of the time, like for me when I feel unsafe, I control the shit out of the people around me.

Through my emotions, through like my nitpicking, through my, oh my gosh, why'd you do it that way? Oh my gosh, like, I'm, you know, like, because I feel so out of control.

And usually when I can pin it back to that point, when I'm noticing that I feel out of control, some controlling those around me, it's because I am out of my eros energy.

I am not tapped into my pleasure. I have allowed my mental emotional, physical, spiritual energies to take over and start screaming at fucking level 10, because my shame and money and kids and this and that and relationships and the world fucking burning down around us.

Like, we allow all those things to dictate our actions. And what's the number one thing that's the easiest thing to sort of forget are eros.

We forget to play. We forget to laugh and have fun and get creative and curious because it's easier to live a life that you can control all the different aspects.

You can control the people around you. You can be perfect. If I just was perfect enough, if I just was, if I just, you know how many times how many years we live in our fucking heads? How many years and years and years is just like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Guess where the furthest place for a mere pussy is or your cock or fucking head. So if you're living in here, how the heck are you supposed to actually feel?

And the church has designed us to live in our heads, constantly over analyzing, constantly thinking about the next life, if we're worthy enough, if we're giving enough, if we're smart enough, thin enough, beautiful enough, rich enough, enough, enough, enough, enough, enough.

I actually have a tattoo here, my first one, my first rebelliousness coming out of the Mormon church and it says, it says enough. And as three little birds. And for me, I needed that reminder.

I needed that daily visual that I was enough that I didn't have to give anymore or do anymore or be anything other than myself. And then the three little birdies not letting my past define me.

Being in the present and having hope for the future.

And the birds represent freedom. And freedom to me is freedom of choice, freedom to feel, freedom to play, freedom to be like, okay, I don't know what tomorrow is going to bring, but today I'm going to actually show up and get out of my head and allow the feelings that come up to just be.

Not to overanalyze them, not to understand them, not to think about them or put them in pretty little boxes or put little labels on them, but to actually feel because your body is trying to tell you something.

And how, how can you feel pleasure if you don't allow yourself to feel pain?

Yeah. Yeah.

I've got one more question, but I reserve the right that based on what you are Theresa say after this that maybe I'll ask something else.

And then I also just want to give you the heads up that will definitely at the end here give you some time to point listeners to where they can find, find out more about you and the work that you do.

And if, you know, if they want to pursue, if they live near you and want to pursue you, then be an client that they can get the information they need to build to do that.

So I want to make sure that, but people come to you. And as you point out, they, they've erased themselves, they've been erased by systems, they don't, they haven't learned yet to trust, maybe their inner voice, they're just trying, obviously just the initiative to reach out to you,

involve some level of wanting to claim something back for sure.

So it's not like they're in this very, very beginning stage, they're somewhere after the first step.

But they still may have a lot of apprehension about being vulnerable or something, they don't know how to say it.

They've come to you needing help, having room to grow, wanting to learn more about themselves and to bully and body themselves as you guys have been saying.

And then on the backside of that, on the, on the other side of all of this interaction, I have to imagine you see and you spoke into it enormous differences in people.

And I don't want you to speak for a moment to that juxtaposition of what people tend to show up like and what they tend to walk away from that whole process, having embodied or developed into.

I love that question, I can think of a handful of my clients right now that I just, I just smile because actually this one gentleman is no longer my client because he doesn't need me.

And that's such a beautiful gift to witness.

So when people typically come to me, there's a couple of different, there's a couple of different people, right, many different people, but genuinely speaking.

One saying, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, but for some reason, I trust you, which just happens.

And then other people are like, I'm a kinky mofo and I want all of these things and I know what I want.

And so it's like the difference, you know, different kinds of people.

And so I just get curious with both. I get really, really curious and let them get curious.

So you're starting here, you're like, I'm just showing up. That's the bravest thing I can do right now or show up.

And you know what, it might just be that we sit there.

We just sit there and allow the feelings to go through and the permission to feel.

And that right there is deeper and more healing than anything I could possibly do.

Just to be seen and witness in that moment and the next time they come, they'll feel even more braver and more braver and more braver.

They're choosing themselves every single time.

And so what could be, let's say, I do three, six and 12 month containers.

So let's say our average is six month container.

We said at the very beginning, we say, okay, what is it that you want to achieve in the next six months?

Now it could be these grand things and this like, you know, I want to be fully acclaimed reclaimed.

And I want to feel everything.

But you're starting off like like a baby spoon, you know, worth of, worth of feeling in that moment.

And you want to be a whole ocean by six months of like, well, it's just not reality.

You know, that's like, and so I don't say that out loud in that moment.

But I'm like, I just get curious. What does that look like? What does that mean?

And so we create this six month container.

And we say, okay, these are the things that we actionally, actionally want to work on.

So these are the actions we're going to be taking every single month to be working towards that goal that we have.

Now what that looks like could be different for everybody.

But I really believe in journaling. It's a huge thing for me.

Getting your thoughts out.

And so journaling, breath work, embodiment, all of that, people are like, what the fuck is all of that embodiment?

I didn't know what embodiment was when I first started all of this.

I didn't know what, I didn't even know how to, how to feel my own feelings or my own thoughts or my own intuition.

I didn't have any of that idea.

And so it's like learning these tiny little things along the way, these little microsteps that we can take.

And some people are going to go real fast.

And some people are like, slow down. That's why I hold containers.

Because for me, it's about slowing down the process, allowing people to slowly process through things.

So then they can choose every step of the way without coming from a place of a dysregulated nervous system.

A place of scarcity, a place of fear, a place of people pleasing.

I see that a lot.

Well, I don't want to upset you. I don't want to hurt you, Mr. So I don't want to, you know, do this.

I don't want to do that.

I care too much about you.

And I'm like, but what about you?

What about you though?

And so I'm able to see those things and sort of like, you know, flip it.

And so when people start, I just say, this is your journey.

It's yours.

And Bill, your journey is going to look different than your journey, Theresa.

It's going to.

And then your journey together.

That's the exciting stuff for me.

Watching two people come together who can fully feel, who can ask each other what they want and what they need and what they desire.

To fully feel each other's aerosis, aeros energy and their own energy.

Like that shit is hot.

And so for me, it's just going from where we are, where we want to be, and the joy and the pleasure and the playfulness that can happen in between.

Because if you know where you are, and you know where you want to be, arrows is the way to get there through play, through creativity, through connection, through communication, through pleasure.

Through feeling what it actually feels like to be alive through choice.

That's what really boils down to is these high demand religions, relationships and cultures take our way, our power of choice.

And that for me is really what it's about.

Very much everything that you said falls under being trauma informed.

Just so you know, choice context, all the things.

So I have one final question for you.

And then if you want to share sort of like, you know, how people can get in touch with you.

My question for you is, what resources did you utilize to get you to where you were so that you could sort of meet people in this way?

That's a great question.

A lot of it, because it's been a journey, a lot of it has been community.

Finding people who come from a conscious background, who intentionally come into these communities with consent and just a very focused,

yeah, intention to share the gift and the knowledge that they have.

That's a big thing for me.

One of my favorite, one of my favorite communities actually down in Austin, Texas.

I'm in central New York.

So, but there's like, there's a conscious can't community down there.

And they're just such wonderful lovely people.

Fet life, if you guys are interested in specifically more kink related things.

Fet life is one you can go on there, but you're going to get a whole bunch.

It's probably going to be overwhelming if you're just starting out.

I also do have my own conscious kink community that it's on our baby steps, but we're building.

And so those who want to join that as well, I have some amazing leaders in there who do the work that I do as well.

And they don't have the Mormon background as I do, but they still have a lot of the same knowledge and training and all of that.

And same passion, which is spicy, spicy in there.

Respectfully spicy, but it's spicy.

And then honestly, a lot of it to me has just been putting myself in situations that are really uncomfortable.

That's a big thing for me, even like, you know, talking to you guys today.

I'm like, this is me reclaiming my forbidden.

This is really scary shit.

But putting myself out there and making those choices because I know that where I was is not who I am.

It's not who I want to be.

And I am fucking brave.

And so if I can stand in a place, I was going to say stand in a holy place.

I can stand in a place and feel holy and feel whole terrified.

But whole, like that, that's me stepping into myself.

That's me reclaiming myself after years of self erasure.

And so, yeah, it's just finding community as a huge thing and finding those leaders who get it.

Yeah, but another question.

The average client, how often are they meeting with you?

Typically, once a month is when we have our in person.

So if we do it, like, I'll go through a six month container quickly with you if that's okay.

So we have our six month container.

So I sign you on as a client.

We have our three hour intake.

That's where we go over consent, our our BDSMA, our kink checklist and just really get to know each other.

I want to know about your family and your religion and your past.

And like, what makes you you?

What lights you up inside?

And then from there, we have the month from that first session to it really depends on the person.

But I try to have the first, like if we're depends what they want.

Do they want dominatrix work?

Do they want intimacy coaching?

Do they want to tap into more of their arrows?

And they're just like, I don't know what I want.

I just need to be held.

It really depends on what the person is wanting.

It's completely customizable.

But between the first and the second session, that's where we'll do.

I send out journal prompts, breathwork.

We have opportunities for text or calls usually one week after the after each session.

It's when I do an hour long call, just to check in, make sure everything is good.

Like, obviously, if someone needs me in the meantime, that's why I hold the container.

This is their container that I hold.

I am a human.

And so I have limitations sometimes within my own life.

And so I make it very clear that I am just a guide and a support.

I cannot have the emeshment and the codependency that can happen sometimes within these containers.

And so my boundaries are very strict.

And it's beautiful, though, because they're strict, I can just be like,

I'm sorry, I'm not available for that.

And so, typically once a month is when we get together, I do do online as well.

I do Zoom calls.

And sometimes that's actually safer for people is not to be physically in front of me.

And so I tend to, tend to overwhelm some people's nervous systems.

So yeah, so, and then at the end of the six months, we can either say,

hey, do you want to continue?

And these are the things, some of the things I think we can continue working on,

or where do you feel like you are on your journey right now?

And so, and one of my, I was just telling you guys a little bit ago,

and if my oldest clients, I think we're working together for like five years,

he said to me recently, he's like, hey, I don't need you anymore.

And I'm just like, at first I was like, what?

You know, I'm like, you're five years.

You're breaking up with me.

And I was like, I got curious. I was like, tell me more about that.

He's like, I don't feel like I need the kinks that we've been doing.

I feel like I'm strong enough.

I feel like I need, I love myself now.

Like, I don't need this, I don't need to do this.

It doesn't bring me what I used to bring me.

And I'm just like, fuck yeah, that's what this is about.

That's what this is about.

And for me, it's about that slow game.

It's about allowing the person to slowly realize what it is,

who they are, what they want,

and allowing them the freedom and the space to actually feel into that.

It's beautiful.

It's such a, it shouldn't be makes my heart happy to know that he no longer needs me.

Like, yeah.

Yeah.

That's amazing. That's beautiful.

Do you, do you work with men and women?

Like, how do people get in touch with you?

How, how do, yeah, people are wanting to work with you?

How would they do that?

Yeah, I work with both men and women with women.

Okay, second, both men and women.

How could they can get in contact with me?

They can find me on my social media.

So my social media is that deeper feeling.

It's also that deeper feeling.com is my website as well.

And you can also find me on Instagram, on Facebook.

I don't do TikTok, probably should, but I don't do TikTok.

But those are my three, basically, my three things.

My website, that deeperfeeling.com.

Kimberly Bryant or that deeper feeling on Instagram and on Facebook as well.

Yeah.

When you send, send me a message with all of those so that I can ensure that they're in the show notes.

Yeah, for sure.

And then I just want to, you mentioned you meet with people via Zoom sometimes.

You're in New York, but you also mentioned being connected to a community in Texas.

I'm curious.

Do people need to be in New York near where you're at in order to have access to you as a resource?

Or are you saying that you have some clients that you meet with entirely online?

I have clients that are actually across the ocean, like over in England.

I have clients in India, like, I have clients all over the world.

So I don't have to be in person.

I personally like being in person because I like to get my hands on people.

I'm a very tactile person.

And so, but no, we don't have to do it in person.

And I'm actually doing a workshop out in Utah in May for women who are reclaiming their arrows.

And so reclaiming parts of their forbidden.

And so for me, I'm like, I love working with both men and women.

And I work with couples as well, which is even a little spicier for me.

I love that shit.

And so a lot of it is, I love working with women because it's like that sisterhood,

that, that playfulness, that caddy, you know, we get to like a rub of against each other.

There are men, there's something yummy about men though too,

when men are able to actually use their voice and speak up and feel into their masculinity

without feeling like they're responsible for the people around them.

Because especially growing at Mormon, men are taught you are responsible for the people around you.

You're responsible for your spouse, you're responsible for the eternal salvation of everybody.

You're responsible for this, you're responsible for that.

And I know so many men who are just like, I just want to be responsible for myself.

That's it.

Like, I can barely take care of myself while I want other people.

So by giving these men an opportunity to hang up the roles and responsibilities

and these women to hang up the roles and responsibilities,

because we're moms and we're wives and we're career women and we're friends and we're this

and we're like, these also show us given to us.

All that was given to us, even our names were given to us.

Now we get to choose, now we get to feel, now we get to get curious about ourselves.

What is it, what is it that turns us on? What is it that's taboo?

What is it that actually makes us feel alive?

Or in it, this human experience, we only get one human experience.

And we're here now also on our soul's journey and how fun it is to play with both our soul and our humanus

because that's what arrows is.

Being able to play with the energy of the in between, feeling our bodies,

but also the energy that flows, that energy that flows.

Yeah, I'm sure there's some kind of biological shit that you can put names on in this and that.

But for me, that's where my spirituality comes from.

That's the arrows. That's the energy that we get to play.

Have you ever walked into a room and just call eyes or someone and you just feel your whole body tingling?

Yeah, that's the spirit to me.

Like that's what I want to play in.

So this is a beautiful opportunity to really tap into those parts of us and reclaim the parts of us of our mental, emotional, physical, spiritual and sexual energy.

Is there still spaces because you're coming to Utah and a large chunk of this audience will be located in Utah?

Are there still spots open for this thing you're doing in May for?

Yeah.

Where would people go to register for that if they wanted to?

I'll have all of that on my website.

We love it.

I'll just say this in conclusion.

Number one, this has been such a fun conversation.

You've got such a great energy about the work that you do and it seems quite obvious to me that you are highly qualified at what you do.

You came into this conversation.

I've had so many conversations with so many people in interviews in all the podcast content I've done over the last 13 years, 14 years at this point.

And most of the times they are what I expect them to be.

And then there's been a handful of occasions where the person was ill prepared and they just didn't show up being what I had expected or what we thought the conversation was going to be rarely does someone by far surpass it.

And I think I think you did that.

It was obvious just a few minutes into the conversation that you know the things that you're talking about that you're qualified to help people in this way.

And I've been really grateful to have this conversation with you and folks, please do check out Kimberly Bryant.

Will you give your website one more time and the handles of where they can find you on social media?

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for this opportunity.

I think truly, truly it's such a pleasure of mine to come and to talk about this and to give people permission to actually feel again.

My handles are Kimberly Bryant at on Facebook or Instagram.

Also my website is that deeper feeling dot com that deeper feeling.

That's what this is about. It's about that deeper feeling.

You can also find them on Instagram and Facebook as well.

Also be in the show knows down below folks.

Otherwise folks, I hope you enjoyed today's conversation Theresa. Thank you as always.

And this has been another episode of the almost awakened podcast Kimberly Bryant.

Thanks so much and everybody have a great day.

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