Fantasy Football - Regress or Impress + 2nd Half Studs, Horse Talk - Podcast for 3/26

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Oh, welcome in.

Thursday, March 26th. Welcome into the fantasy footballer's podcast Jason Moore.

Micerite. I'm Andy Holloway.

Happy birthday.

Oh, according to the show doc, it is my 68th birthday and the calendar.

Oh, the 68th. It says 68th birthday. Oh, you're honest. Honestly, Andy, I didn't think you

were looking very good. But for 68 for 68, I think I'm doing. Thank you. I think you're the

gotta be top 1000 of 68 year old as far as physical appearance. So how how old was he then, Jason?

How old was he prior to this? Yeah, 67. Oh, oh, oh, it's not about. Hey, no, hey.

Yes. Hey, all right. I'm over. Okay. Okay.

Look, us, us, our generation, our generation, we do it. We already, we already killed it.

I mean, we did, we got you used Swift work with the 6-7.

Oh, it's not Swift. That thing was intense. Oh, it was intense, but it was, I mean, it

got you. It quickly went from like, oh, the biggest thing and all the youth and then

the all us old men came in and we're like, aha, we'll show you how stupid this is.

And you started doing it. Yeah. Like crazy. And now it's over. It's over. If you have not seen,

there is a very clip going around of Ryan Gosling doing some publicity for

head, what, hashtag on sponsor project Hail Mary. Awesome. It's a great movie. But there's a,

just a clip of him with an interviewer and it's all just the youth slang,

but in a real serious delivery, if you've not seen that clip, it's pretty funny. It is delightful.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're happy to have you with us today. Regressor impresses the main topic

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and just get access to everything and make it really easy for yourself. Our quick question

of the day comes from Charles in Oklahoma. Hello, ballers doing a first time dynasty startup.

And just wondering if you had any tips or suggestions to make it as fun as possible.

Thank you. Well, I mean, first of all, draft all the best players that will make your league way

more fun. Dynasty startup, man, you better start hydrating multiple days before. Yeah,

like something that somehow the general public doesn't yet understand this. If you're hydrating

day of it's done. Yeah, it's too late. You are not hydrating. You must hydrate at least the day

before for any type of of strenuous situation and a dynasty startup draft. If you have never done one,

clear the schedule. I mean, imagine art. So our main league of record draft, we have 11 rounds

because we've got keepers in there. And that lasts several hours. We do it in person offline,

which is honestly, that's my biggest answer to this question is try to do you only have one

dynasty startup ever. If you guys and gals and whoever's in your league are are geographically

in the same place or even able to take a trip to, you know, let's all go to Vegas for a draft.

If you can draft in person, yes, it is so much fun. However, what Mike is saying is, you know,

you're going to end up going 30 rounds. So yeah, get your pushups in, get your get trapped

for a long draft. Make sure you've got lunch and dinner. Do you remember ours? I do. I do remember

it was an eternity. It was so much fun for at least 75% of it. Where was it? That was at my

hand. Yeah. Yeah. It's it. Okay. Yeah. I don't remember it at all. You blocked it out. Yeah,

that's it's a long journey. But it's fun. And let me let me ask you a side question as a follow-up

because he's asking about how to make the draft as fun as possible. You joked about drafting

the best players. How much of a like we have dynasty startup rankings. I'm just curious how much

you yourself are willing to bend the rankings to draft players you love because it's a dynasty.

Oh, every time. Yeah, you're going against the grain of not necessarily what big because you're

going to have this player a lot longer in theory and usually I mean, there's a lot of turnover

on everybody's roster. But if there's a player that you really love, especially if it's a younger

player, it's like just I'm just in love. Yeah, if it's Camp Scataboo. Yeah, exactly. I would draft

Camp Scataboo. Well, yeah, right. That example, right. That example with the injury in the

harbour. Um, you're more worried about the harbour than the germine love. Yeah, I mean, I really am.

The only the love. I just can't imagine a team that has scataboo, tarot, crazy, and single

tier would take this good. But if anyone would, it would be harbour. Yeah, but I don't feel like

you will do that. I just think that oil and water is a ground up guy. The Titans need to remove

the option. Titans do the wrong thing and take draft of running back at number four.

Well, there were some reports right that neither of those teams were really going to take him

in Washington's the first team that was considered. I get it. So I mean, there's, you can hear rumors

on all sides of everything because some of it is smoke. All I know is that if you want love,

you need to trade to three. Right. Yeah, I'm out there. Yeah, come and get him. Yeah, there you go.

All right, let's talk news. News and notes from around the league.

All right. Let's talk some news. The Falcons die a bollicle. The Falcons are signing,

signing Brian Robinson Robinson to a one year deal worth 2.5 million. They lost Tyler Algierto

Arizona. This guy was already a problem. Yeah, it already happened last year on the sleeper

platform when you're drafting. And I think right now that's the just gonna happen thousands of

the most common platform right now. Obviously lots of drafts on different platforms, but they

display their players. First initial last name, position and team. And so if you didn't pay

attention last year to the team, you could have accidentally drafted Brian Robinson, which people

did. But now he shares a team with B. John. It's B Robinson Atlanta Falcons running back. And you

got me. You got to be sweat. Yes. You are binoculars on looking for the junior. You're like,

I'm not getting the junior. You don't want the junior. Don't take the junior.

What's B. John Robinson's number?

Seventy seven. I think he's seven. Okay. And Mooney was fake seven. Mooney was one. Yeah,

well, I was just saying. I think Brian Robinson was, he was eight in Washington. Oh, no,

he better not go to one. Oh, man. If he takes Jersey one, it's over because you already,

I was already having a problem with Darnell Mooney. Mooney. He's half the size of B. John plays a

different position. You if he done. Oh, they've got to do it. They've got to, I'm like, I want to

watch the world burn every time that he's in there and everyone thinks it's B. John. I mean,

this is, uh, LG is a better player than Brian Robinson, Jr. But it would agree. Brian Robinson is

still a, uh, a larger physical back. So I'm not concerned about Brian. Yeah, it shouldn't be

a big deal. I think the question here from a fantasy perspective is, is this enough of an impact?

You know, the, the Jamir Gibbs versus B. John argument at the, the one on one, one,

one, Steven Montgomery left and Tyler LG are left. Brian Robinson coming to town. Will that

Vulture be Robinson? Will be Robinson coming to, will be Robinson, Vulture be Robinson? Right.

Enough to make J Gibbs the first, the first draft. Well, I, Pecheco is about the same as B. Robinson

in terms of my concern level. They're both in the same tier of, they're both downgrades to the

players that were there before. Al Jeeer and David Montgomery were much bigger threats to both

J Gibbs and B. Robinson, not senior sleeper. You got the room for me. Yeah. This needs to be the

year. B. John decides to be called B. John Robinson senior, not junior, not junior, uh, Mike,

you've got to be happy. I know you're happy. Joe Flacco, oh, yeah, to the bangles on the line.

I die to see team loves it. Yeah, because honestly, you just want your guys, we all want

Jamar chase. Yep. T Higgins chase brown to be functional. If the often injured burrow is injured.

Yeah, this is fantastic news of a true actual insurance running or a quarterback. And not just

if you have burrow and burrow misses time, like if he's out, you will be able to pick up Flacco

and simply play him. But to have the other players continue. In fact, last year, Jamar chase

his numbers were better with Joe Flacco compared to Joe burrow ever so slightly. I don't,

that's not like a twenty twenty eight targets of game. Yeah, that's not a play Joe Flacco. It's

just a hey, if burrow misses the time like he almost always does, don't sweat it. You'll be all

right. Honestly, everybody can get injured in the league. I know burrow has had more injuries,

but Stafford has been injured plenty of times. He's got a back injury. Donald could get injured.

To me, when you're looking at those top three wide receivers right now in fantasy, this,

this is a good enough tiebreaker to me that should the starting quarterback go down. I'm not

having to worry about drew lock or Stetson Bennett or Jalen Milro as trying to support my number

to pick in the draft. Joe Flacco, we know could get it done.

There is a report this morning, the athletic saying it's a 60 40 chance that Breeze Hall signs

an extension with the jets after the NFL draft as opposed to playing on the franchise. Yeah,

which is this is interesting to me. I know that the the jets have all they've said we want to

get Breeze Hall back with the long term extension. Their actions certainly have not really said that

considering you should have extended him a year ago. But this is how do Jason, how do you feel about

this? Breeze Hall. Breeze Hall. That's how I feel about it. Don't do it, Breeze. Don't

generational wealth. Look, financially sure do it, but what about me and my dynasty team?

So next year in theory, I mean, the franchise tag is there for any of the great players,

Jonathan Taylor. We'll probably get franchise if they don't come to an agreement.

Beeson. Oh, Beeson. There was the report. I think from Shifter of like get ready for Gibbs.

Yeah, Gibbs and Beeson. We should see a market reset. Yeah, they probably those guys probably won't

hit the open market. And if Jonathan Taylor is also franchise, then that would really mean Breeze Hall

is the king of free agency. I can't fathom a double franchise tag in a row on a running back.

Right. So I would if I'm Breeze's agent, I would say just play one more year, stay healthy,

go get back for a different team. He'll be don't make the decision to get injured, Breeze.

25. Yeah, see that's decide to stay healthy. It's just mental.

You sound like Puker or something.

2026. We have our kickoff schedule for Wednesday, September 9th in Seattle.

You heard that right. What Wednesday? Yeah, because Thursday is going down under.

Is it? Yeah. Thursday is going to be Melbourne.

Melbourne. Sorry. I don't know. I know they always they like to go up. Yeah. Now what time

have I haven't been there? So I'm curious about this. So the season's going to kickoff on Wednesday.

Some people are really excited about. Some people are unhappy. I don't like the like

football every day. The weak thing that they're trying to do. However, by the time week one comes

around, I want that. But yeah, but it's a slippery slope because in everyone's excited and then

it's going to have it. Anyways, what I'm concerned about is because this game is coming from

down under on Thursday, what time is it here? Are they? It's 830 Eastern. All right. Okay.

PM. What time is it? Yeah. I guess thank you for the follow. It's the future. It's the morning

of the future. So they will be playing Friday morning. Okay. Got it. I mean, this is how the

sun works. Do we care that the Eagles signed Elijah Moore, the St. St. Zach Wilson,

or the Falcon sign Tyler Goodson? Are you talking about Elijah Moore just one season removed from

100 targets in Cleveland? Kind of per the tweets. Per reporters. Stop it. I don't need your

interjection. Elijah Moore is on a nice Laquan Treadwell arc in terms of just being in the league

for a long time. All right. I can't believe Laquan Treadwell. Do one of one of the greatest busts

of like he's out there with the Corey Coleman and the Jermark's Russell. Like he was supposed to be

he has got to be an amazing locker room. He just has to just like he probably picks up all the towels.

I've never seen a he like cleans an outright bust, which he is. He's not a disappointment. Like

Marvin Harrison Jr. right now is not a bust. No. Marvin Harrison Jr. is just disappointing because

you drafted him so high. This is an outright bust who has stayed in the league for a decade.

He's played continually and no one knows it. It's like he's still in the league. Dude. I totally

forgot. Laquan Treadwell year one first round wide receiver selection by the Minnesota Vikings

accumulated the total statistics of one reception for 15 y'all. No, no. This is even better. He's

still in the league, right? Here's his last four years total receptions six then one and by the

way we're starting in 2022 six one zero zero seven receptions of the last four years still signing

contract. He appeared in 10 days. It says he was in 10 games last year. This is it's six percent

of snaps. This got to be like a specialty. Oh, this is an amazing job. He's figured out.

Yeah. Good for you, man. I mean, he'll you're vested. You're retirement insurance.

Like good for you hanging on. Isn't it like every year you play, you get a little bit more for

some like that. He's going for it. We'll take a quick break. We'll come back with the

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It's been working out. Regressor impress. We're going to start with second half studs from last year

and talk through the trends that we saw at the end of the 2025 season, whether we believe these

players will regress or impress in 2026. I love this first name. Yeah, I mean, this is this is

this one is an interesting conversation. Yeah, because I see the outcomes really being like I could

talk myself very heavily into both sides. Yeah. So Trevor Lawrence quarterback of the Jacksonville

Jaguars amazing season for them was super impressive after the buy week. He got it figured out

weeks one through seven. He was the quarterback 13 16 fancy points of game. But guys,

after the buy 22.6 fancy points of game. You know, let's go quarterback one over that time period

over that time period. He finished the season as the quarterback for basically 20 fantasy points

per game, which was his career high in year five first year with Lee and comb. You've got Lee,

Lee, I'm going to do that. Yeah, yeah, that's impressive. Yeah, that's cool. Dylan Gabriel,

Dylan, Dylan, Gabriel. Oh, yeah, you could do this with anything. You just give me a name and watch

out. Okay. Be John Robinson. Okay. No, I'm going. Oh, man, I was going to do your name. Here's

going to be hard. I would not. I'd stop all your head. You might walk into a word you don't want to say.

That's yeah. That's true. Good advice. Were you in the middle of a thought? He was at the end.

Oh, no, I was what happened was I was in the middle of a thought, but the bridge collapsed.

Oh, I know it's lost. I'm in the ocean. Here's why it's easy to to be on both sides of the argument

for Trevor Lawrence. His success was over. It wasn't like three or four weeks. Like we've had some

of these regressor impressed where it's the last three weeks of a season and it's amazing.

This was from week eight on, although I would say he kind of turned on the jets for the last four

weeks. I mean, he had three top five finishes in that stretch, but you got other reasons to believe,

right? The draft capital, the potential for him coming in. Did he get unlocked with Liam Cohen?

The fact that that offense is going to be stable for another season, not always the case for Trevor

Lawrence. Historically, you have Liam Cohen in there with tons of weapons in the receiver.

They really do. Yeah. I mean, part of the second half of that season was Jacobi Myers arriving.

And Travis Hunter was out for a lot of it. He'll be back. And Brian Thomas, Jr.,

you know, did they get that figured out? Great tight end. You know, I, you can also have the argument.

One of the arguments that we have against Jordan Love is that when Josh Jacobs came to

town, they were able to run the ball much better and they didn't need to rely on the passing him.

Travis ETN leaving, you know, Travis ETN a couple years ago had 11 rushing touchdowns had seven

last year. Like that, that puts the team a little bit more on the arm of Trevor Lawrence going

into year two in this system. And I will say this is probably better on the ground. I really want to be

a, yeah, you're true. I mean, maybe as a goal, I'm back to it and is an upgrade, but whether or not

they view that schematically and decision-wise, like, hey, we're going to really rely on

rushing the touchdowns in when we get around there. I don't know that that's true. But Trevor Lawrence,

and we, Sam Donald was drafted very, very high, had many years before it looked like he was

competent, several teams. And you think, okay, well, we're going into year six. We know who Trevor

Lawrence is. Trevor Lawrence is 26 years old. He's a, he, if he worked here at our studio,

we would call him a child. Right. For sure. We'd call him a horse child. And, and we would say,

hey, horse child, you're still getting better. And so I do think, I mean, you know if he worked

here, we'd call him a horse child. There's no way we wouldn't. A baby horse, maybe a pony,

I don't know what we'd call him, but he might get anything he's ever called anything a horse child.

My go, my go on. My point, obviously, is he actually might still be getting much better. What

outsiders on this. Yeah, there we go. Pony Boy is a great character. Um,

stay gold driver. His, his age, I think, is what really pushes me to think. Maybe he did level

up and figure something out. Also, the willingness. And this has been something that is in his

capabilities that he was not doing enough. And it was so frustrating, so frustrating watching him

with all the opportunities to run the ball and pick stuff up with his legs. And he didn't do it.

Horse legs. With his, I mean, come on. If you're a horse, regalip, go man, put them shoes on and

trot. But I do, I do think I think he's leveled up. I think it's going, I think he's going to

continue to impress the, I'm on the, I'm on the impress side. The, the, the questionable things

will be, so that time here, you said where he was the QB1 points, it's after the by-week,

while he had seven rushing touchdowns in that time. And will that sort of a thing

continue going like, well, that regress or impress, you know, we, Baker Mayfield under, under Cohen,

did see kind of his first spike in rushing. So is, is that truly a part of the offense where

they got to the by-week and cone was like, dude, pony boy, run. You, you are, you're humongous.

Did you just get in on it? I pony boys, a fun name. Yeah. Pony boys, good. I don't, I don't feel

as insulting when I'm, when I'm going with a classic literary character. Pony boy versus

horse child. Yeah. Pony boy is better. Pony boy is kinder. Pony boy is a great character. Yeah,

a literary icon. Wait, what is that from? The outsiders. Oops. Yeah, yeah, not everybody's just

learning as a smike. Jason, I'm normal. I was like, read a book and you're, you are,

there's a musical. I saw them Broadway. So cool, dude. Yeah, he's not, he's not a

fool anymore. There's some me. How do you say that? No, you, there's some musical. Yeah,

oh, yeah. The first time. Great musical. So it's not foul. Okay.

Well, fouls like a bird or like a penalty. Right. The fact, like, I've never heard this argument.

Of, you know, it's all the movie going regress on Jason, impressed on Trevor Loan.

Movies, the movie book people. The book was better. Now we have book musical and the musical

musicals better than the book. It is. Oh, what a world we live in. So those were my biggest

questions for Pony boy about will, will he be rushing in that many touchdowns? Because nine,

the 359 yards, that's not crazy. You know, if you're Trevor Loan, Lawrence is at a year of

334, 339. So that, the yardage didn't spike to a place that we've never seen before. But

do you expect it to hit from the starting gate? I, I, I think if we can get the blinders on him,

I think that he could zero in and really take this to a new place. He ought to, we mentioned,

he also had 8.6% of his pass attempts were dropped, which is the highs. I mean, shout out to

Brian Thomas for everything he did for that. Shout out to BTJ. But the 8.6, that's tied for the

highest rate of any quarterback over the last four years. So you're talking 400 potential yards,

which you're not going to get all of that. But of course, you still got, you still got some of

those back. But that, that's a lot of drops that I don't think will happen. And Brian Thomas

cleaned up the, his drop problem over the second half. Are we prepared to move on to the next

name? So right now, an underdog, he's going that quarterback 10. Yeah, that, that be a good

final question. There's where you think he'll end up. I would say, I don't mind that. If he ends

up as quarterback seven, does that fit into the impress category? Quarterback seven will be,

is that I think it would continue the trend that he had last year. So I'd say who would continue

impressing, however, I wouldn't be happy with drafting him. Yeah. I mean, that's, those are two

different conversations, whether or not you believe, like I think Trevor Lawrence continues to impress,

he's probably not the quarterback that I'm going to leave my drafts with because when you're coming

off of a great year, like he just had, he will be drafted, not as a late round court. Does it feel

like Baker? Yeah, very, very similar to Baker when, when he was coming off of his, but he, but,

but he can run. Well, he still has Cohen. Baker lost the coach. Yeah. Chase Brown, impress.

He was on the regressor and press episode last year, RB 19 for the first half, RB five for the

second half of the year. Yeah, he was both. He was regress, impress last year. Yeah, it was not,

through five weeks, he was pretty unstoppable. Correct.

But he was a victim of the Joe Burrow's injury as well. Like whatever magic Jake Browning had

filling in for Joe Burrow the first time, that the pixie dust wore off and it was an absolute

disaster. Joe Flacco comes, like, I was going to say, old man Joe Flacco comes in, somehow fixes

everything. And then Joe Burrow comes back and everything is great. Chase Brown is, you still

have to be under watch of, you know, with the draft, the draft, I don't think that they will

replace him. I, I, you know, there was the, the whispers of extension talk. That was a couple

months ago. So maybe that's still going on in the background. And if that, if a Chase Brown

extension comes through, then it will, I will have no, no fears, no worries. My chips will, we

were asked a question on the forecast yesterday of what, what, what, what would be some things

that would happen this year to prove that the year of Mike is over. And this would be one of those.

Like if they were to draft a replacement, yeah, you know, spend the second round pick on a running

bag. That would be devastating. That would be very anti-Mike. It probably won't happen.

It probably, I think they, I think they're very committed to Chase Brown and believe in him. He played

it, he played the entire season, stayed healthy, turned it on over the back half of the year.

They've got so many needs on the defensive side of the football. Exactly. They, you know,

last year, they picked up Taj Boyd, right? Later in the draft as a, you just got really no play.

Got no opportunity. They, the way, like one thing you can be happy about with Chase Brown is that

they didn't make a change at the head coach position, even though Jason wanted them to.

Right. The plan right now is, hey, our offense is magma. Our offense is amazing. Can we fix

things on the defensive side if we waste a pick on a high end running back for no good reason when

you get this production from Chase Brown? To me, I'm going to go and press on Chase Brown.

And he's, he's an electric receiver. He had the fourth most targets at the running back position.

And on receptions, he had the third most forced missed hackles.

Now, when mixing was there, when we got the random Smosh A P-Rine adventure, P-Rine did get

resigned. And at the end of the year, P-Rine did get some, some goal line work. Chase Brown is

capable at that. You know, it's, but as is P-Rine, so that will happen over the course of the year.

But when you have the amount of work that Chase Brown gets combined with how great he is as a

receiver, it's, I will have no problem drafting him wherever he's going. I agree. We're all

going to be impressed here. His last 10 games, which are really the games that matter because

you're, you're talking about once they found something at the quarterback position. Those last 10

games, seven of the 10, he was, he was not like, oh, he was a good week. It was top 10 weekly finishes,

70% of those games. The other three were still RB2s. It wasn't zero bad weeks during that stretch.

The fact that he got off to such a slow start with the Joe Barrow injury and was so devastating.

I mean, this was a guy that when you're going into week five weeks, you're, you're talking should,

should you be dropping him? Yeah. Should you cut Chase Brown at that point? And I don't think he's

going to be overdrafted going into this year again. He's not going to be someone that people are

crazy bullish on. There, there will be enough fear from the first five weeks. You'll have,

every league will have one of 10, one of 12 people who hates Chase Brown because they drafted him

last year. And it didn't work. And I, I would love to see the numbers of the people who drafted

Chase Brown and rode out the whole season with him. It didn't get to the point where there's like

this crap sucks. I'm out. This guy stinks. He'll never be good. And then they trade him or they

cut him. And then the beneficiary of Chase Baron was not the drafter. No. And it was the same with

Burrow and Chase. I mean, you, you, right. Like those guys got moved. Jamar Chase was not a great

option for five weeks with Browning. No, he was on start lacco revolution. Yeah, saved today.

If you did, if you did draft Chase Brown, you know, those final three weeks were the final two weeks

championship and semi finals, the running back four, the running back three. If you kept him the

whole time, you, you probably weren't in the playoffs. He, he, he either was a real great player for

someone who picked him up. Or he was so bad at the beginning that he hurt you and you're going

to never draft him again. Kenneth Gainwell, who is now a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.

Second half of the year, he was the running back 12, kept surprising in Pittsburgh, kept

becoming more and more utilized in Pittsburgh. Signs a, well, kind of used that year to sign a

two year deal worth up to 14 million in, in Tampa. 10 million guaranteed. That's not nothing.

He's 26.9 years old, entering his sixth year. He did lead the Pittsburgh Steelers in receptions.

Yeah, embarrassing, which is impressive for him and embarrassing for DK Metcalf.

For the Steelers, as an organization, I don't think you ever want a running back to lead your

team and receptions. And if, and if your running back does lead your team and receptions,

you hope it's Christian McCaffrey or someone that is like one of the best players in the league,

not coming into the season, your second or third string running back.

So, I mean, I feel like this is one where my instant default easy answer is going to be regressed.

Because you kind of had a unique situation that wasn't a lot of weapons in Pittsburgh.

You did deal with some injuries at the running back position. He became kind of intro girl.

It seems like one of those things that would depart from fantasy value when you leave that scenario.

And you have, you know, all the wide receivers and tight ends and

Bucky Irving in Tampa. Is that the side that you're going to go with?

I, I don't think I'm fully committed to regress because he's a good player.

Those things would not have happened in Pittsburgh if he weren't

showing out with talent. I mean, you, you went into that year. Jalen Warren had just received,

you know, a, a, a baby, a micro extension for, for his bank account. And then by this second half,

Kenneth Gainwell had kind of overtaken him in, in terms of the timeshare.

It, Kenneth Gainwell and Bucky Irving is going to be extremely difficult because I don't have

a strong, I don't have a strong enough conviction, conviction in Bucky Irving to say,

this signing doesn't matter. Two year, 14 million, you know, I don't really care about Kenneth Gainwell.

I do care. But Bucky is also a tremendous player.

He's like a conversation around Bucky really. Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, obviously Bucky is

undersized, could get injured. We saw him get injured last year. There's also some, you know,

smoke about the mental ish, you know, hardships that that Bucky has gone through. So Bucky,

to me, is a great player who is so far ahead of Kenneth Gainwell where he will retain, like,

Rashad White was involved last year. Rashad White played 17 games and was the running back 34s,

pretty irrelevant. If Bucky Irving were to go down or out for any reason, then I do think

Kenneth Gainwell is a very interesting player. But what Kenneth Gainwell did this last year was

really take on a role, even when Jalen Warren was active and healthy. Kenneth Gainwell was still

leading the team in receptions was on the field all the time was running routes and I don't anticipate

that being what they brought him in to do. They brought him in to just be a replacement of Rashad White,

a backup, a spell, but he's much better than Rashad White. Yeah, but much more than Bucky Irving.

So I don't think he's much worse than Bucky in my evaluation of it. I think he is

much, much better than Rashad White. And so it's what happens when all that work that Rashad White

got, what happens when it's a good player? What happens to Bucky Irving then? Sure.

I mean, look at Gainwell, the runner that way or just the versatility that was really both.

I mean, for his career, he's a 4.4 yards per attempt runner. I mean, Rashad White

could never. He seems to endure himself to the team that he's on. That is one thing that you

can say about Gainwell is that he's somebody that does all the dirty work, all the stuff that you

don't see that doesn't show up in the fantasy football statutes and teams end up falling in love

with him and giving him more time. And that would be my concern for Bucky. But it doesn't mean that I

think that the fantasy value is going to be consistent for Gainwell. I'm going to go regress.

Yeah, I lean that way, but I'm curious, do we know where Kyle, do we know where Bucky is going?

And like, what's the, what's the, the public temperature right now on Bucky Irving? Because that

might, it might end up being a situation where I'll just be willing to miss of what Bucky's going

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see that makes the game well 37 Bucky 17. Bucky at 17 seems like a pretty good. That's not bad.

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Michael Wilson. Oh boy. Good golly-missful. Oh boy.

Irrelevant in the first half of the year, wide receiver three over the second half of the year.

Irrelevant for what two and a half years? Yeah, that's a better way to put it.

And then what year are we going into at Wilson? Going into year four.

And then he became Jerry Rice. Yeah. When the team was throwing the ball 40 times a game

with Jacobi Berset. He was the wide receiver three. 17 points a game. No Marvin Harrison on the field

for the majority of that. And film wise, stats wise, advanced metric wise, separation,

there was no flaw in his game. So the question is, was that the breakout or was that the

opportunity of what the Cardinals were doing and the fact that he was kind of thrust into wide

receiver one territory here for the Cardinals? Yeah. And it's going to come down to how we define

impress and regress here because I don't think any of us are going to expect the performances of

the second half of the year where wide receiver three or 17 fantasy points a game. But I would

say here's how I would define whether it's a continuing, continuous impress or he regresses back

not necessarily. He's not going to be either. He's not going to be the wide receiver 81. He's

not going to be the wide receiver three. That's what you're saying. I think the best way to view it

is is he the wide receiver one for the Arizona Cardinals or as Marvin Harrison Jr.

the wide receiver because if he if he takes hold of that and is the primary non-traimic ride

receiving option for the Cardinals, then he is continued to impress. If he's not, if he takes

that backup role and he's the third target on the team, you'd say he regressed from where he was.

I think that he should be and he won't be. I think it's very good that Jacobi Berset's the

quarterback for Michael Wilson. But I don't think I give you because look if we all had to place a bet

today, put $100 down on the table and you click the Michael Wilson button or you click the Marvin

Harrison button and we presume health and we say what is the what are the fantasy outcomes for

those two players at the end of the year. I'm going to click Marvin Harrison's button.

Oh, that's shocked. I am as well, but I thought I was going to be the only one here because sometimes

it's just too squeaky. I think I think the targets will be there for Marvin Harrison.

We're going into this is year three of Marvin. Yeah. So as year three of Marvin,

year four of Michael Wilson, I think I think I would put not that different. No, I know,

look, I think Michael Wilson showed us consistently on a weekly basis that his talent is there.

His capability is there on every level. Jason talked about the metrics. Right now, Marvin

Harrison is the wide receiver 33 in basketball. Michael Wilson is the wide receiver 39 in

basketball. I would expect just looking at that. I would expect both guys to perform those numbers.

Yeah. I and that doesn't mean I'm going to be happy. It doesn't mean I'm going to get a wide

receiver 15 number. But you know, if they end 15, 18, I won't be shocked.

The nice thing about the Arizona Cardinals, so I was really pouring some cold water at the end of

the season pointing out what happened to the Cardinals defense, what happened where they put

Jacobi Berset in just through the ball every play they lost every game, you know, every game that

Jacobi Berset was a starter. They lost and they threw the ball a cajillion times and, you know, Jacobi

was on pace for like, I don't know, 4,000, 5,000 yards. It was, it was asinine and that that wasn't

going to happen again. But I am not as convinced that they're not going to just continue to air it out

and need to keep up. They have signed nobody of relevance. And nor do they want to sign. And by

the way, I'm saying on the defensive side of the ball, can I just crack you? Jason, he was one in 11.

No, in games, he started. I don't think he, oh, you think he came in. I didn't got a win.

I believe so. I could be wrong. Maybe he was one in 11 and did not go winless. He might have had

all win. I don't, it was really just a joke. Yeah. You know, but the Cardinals, they have done

the right thing, which is sign a bunch of worthless one year deals. They have the most cap space

going into next year. They are not going to be a competitive team. Their defense is going to

continue to be bad. And would Jacobi percent back in tow. I do think that they're for fantasy

purposes. Andy, one of your things to remember this year was like bad teams really ruined good

players. And I think that's so true of, you know, the, the, the Browns and the Jets,

Garrett Wilson, Breeze Hall. They're not going to, I don't know if it's the, and I know where Cardinals

fans, but I hate the Cardinals. I do think that the offense will have fantasy football relevance.

You should revise bad offenses or just bad quarterbacks. Yeah. Maybe Jacobi's not bad. He's not a,

he's not a long-term starter, but he's not a bad quarterback. Yeah. He beat, he beat the Dallas

Cowboys. Yeah. As a starter. As a starter. He started. That's that starter. All right. Go

started in one. He beat the Cowboys of all teams. Yeah, you did. And that defense. No, I,

I think you could make some, some tweaks. I mean, you're not like their offense was great.

There's a, I mean, legitimately, there's a reason why Detroit went out and got the blobfish

from Arizona. And it was because of the success he had with the Cardinals had more players

than injured reserve than the final four teams in the NFC playoffs combined. So the Cardinals dealt

with massive injuries, fourth string running backs, no Kyler Murray. And they had a pretty dominant

offense for the back half of the year in terms of production. And that's why, you know, you will

have a change at the offensive coordinator. You're bringing him, you know, the floor,

who's going to take over. And that's going to bring some variables. But I think part of it is

going to be, you know, the Cardinals have two ways to go on Marvin Harrison. It is,

but staying neutral on it is not going to be one of them. You're either going to go the direction

of he, this is not going to work here. And he's going to get moved. And it's not going to happen.

Are you going to go the direction of we're going to make it work? And the targets are going to be

there. But, but staying neutral, I don't think is going to happen. And I think that's part of the

agenda agenda for the floor. Mike, who do you think has the better fantasy season between those two

wide receivers? Andy and I are on the side of taking the shot on Marv. I, if I had to click the

button right now, I would click Michael Wilson. Okay. I, which is it, where it, what's so difficult

for Michael Wilson is the first two years in the league, my opinion of him was he is not

that good. Like he was not getting away. He was not creating separation. He was not

handling his bit. I mean, he was just a, he was like a wide receiver three type, you know, of

you should be on a team. But you're nowhere near the level of a player who can take over a game.

And over the second half, he did that. He took over games. Wildtrain McBride is still on the team.

Like, where Marv, we've seen him take over maybe a couple times. So it's hard to change your opinion,

speaking of myself, it's hard to change my opinion of how bad I felt about Michael Wilson to

what we saw over the second half. One more name for you. We get to talk about him forever.

Kyle pits. Eight fancy points of game in the first half tied in 16, not the end of the world,

but not helpful. Second half of the year, the tight end three had the greatest game for a

tight end of all time in a week 15. It's really skewing the average. He also is getting,

you're going to hear like tied into around Kyle pits name. His nine point eight fancy points for

a game is the lowest ever for a tight end to. So it wasn't great for tight ends last year.

And week 15, I don't know what the numbers would be. Oh, I've got it. Yeah, without the 40 point

week 15, he would, he would have been seven point nine a week. And that would have been the same

as Britain Strange and Dalton Schultz. So you don't want to take away the ability to put up the

biggest game of all time, but at the same time, you know, that's a pretty special outlier game.

So like in bestball right now, going after Kyle pits is Sam Laporta,

Aronde Gadsden, Dalton Kincaid,

to get cheaper over Kyle pits, I think I would go that direction.

I mean, the quarterback questions for Atlanta are very real, will Penox be healthy?

Is he even good enough? And then if that's not the answer, then your solution is to

how good of a solution is that? Yeah, I think I was I seeing because there were some comments

around two of being willing to mentor Michael Penox. And it's like one of them like two is 28.

Penox is 26. He was older, remember? Yeah. So it's like these guys are really not that different

in terms of like, but experience. They're very different, very, very different, but also,

you know, who do you think wins the job? Oh, Penox. Yeah, I think Penox will have the beginning

of the season. I don't know how to go from there. The issue with Kyle Pits.

I mean, the same thing we were saying about, um, um, I'm out. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence being young.

I'll pits is only 25 years old. That's the argument. At the end of the year, he leveled up,

he showed out. They're going to come in next year with a better plan for him. He's going to

figure it out. That is the argument. Oh, Stefansky. I know. I'm I mean, let me talk you out.

When you look at last season, how bad he was and then you hit week 13 and all of a sudden,

he's the tight in six, the tight in seven, the tight in one, the tight in three, like just awesome.

That's no Drake London. No Drake London. No Drake. That was when Drake London got injured. Yeah.

So all of a sudden, he became the de facto number one target for the team and then had to

had to put up points. He's at least the de facto number two right now. Yeah, but he was the

de facto two before that and he wasn't very good. Well, it's funny because you said if you took

week 15 now, we'd be at 7.9 fantasy points per game. His first half of the year was 8.2

for the first half, which is tight in 16. So if you if you look at that, you know, he's going to

regress from his fantasy finish it tight and for sure, yes, he's going to regress in his fantasy

points per game of the second half of the year. I don't think you're getting 11.6 over the second

half of the year. So, you know, I think overall, unless he is cheap, which maybe he will be,

but I don't think so. I think there's a lot of reasons for people to believe in him right now.

So I will be happy. I don't think I'll draft. I will be very happy to grab him

for a matchup off the waiver wire. I will do that once or twice through the year. He will be there.

He will maybe not week one, but he'll be there. And you can grab him and play him in the right

matchup. He he looks like a player at least right now of it. We bring up the phrase or the kind

of the saying of like, when there's certain players, just I'm willing to be wrong, you know,

about by drafting them. I'm willing to be wrong about cow pits of bypassing unless someone else,

if you want to have the bravery and you want to get the reward, I accept that. Let me let me see if

this final bit of information changes anything. Right now he is, he's going behind behind Harold van

and in basketball. Okay. He's going behind Tucker craft. He's going to come back from an injury and

was really good. I think that all makes sense. The guy he's going ahead of, I don't know, maybe I

would take him ahead of them. Sam LaPorta or on day Gadsden. Yeah. Dalton King K. I think I took

all three of those guys ahead of maybe not, maybe not LaPorta. I would rather have them than

pitch. I wouldn't necessarily draft them ahead over pits. Oh, dude. I think I would.

Dalton King K. I mean, Dalton King K. was on the pit's career arc.

Disappointing. At least, yes, inconsistent. I mean, both both guys have dealt with injury.

Obviously DJ Moore being there will be the number one target in the offense you would presume,

but that could be good for the tight end position to open it up a little bit. I think Dalton

K. K. is more talented than Kyle Pits. Gadsden is the most exciting. LaPorta is on a better

offense. So there's reasons, but they're all later. And that's that's the thing that you can't miss

here. It's not that we would just over all the offenses are better. Yeah. It's not that you would

draft those guys over Kyle Pits. If Kyle Pits was, you know, being drafted at the 100 as the

hundred and 10th player, where Gadsden is. But if you're telling me I couldn't wait and take a

player that, I don't know, I probably believe in it in the player Moore and Gadsden then in

pits. And I can get him in the hundreds. I'll do that. Okay. Glad we get to talk about Kyle Pits.

Again, it's on my birthday too. I mean, that's not what a big honor. Not really a gift. So much

as a curse. But we're going to wrap it up. Appreciate you joining us. We'll be back with a

couple more episodes next week. A reminder, join the foot.com. If you want to head over there,

we're going to be getting into the rookie previews. The interval draft is is really not that far

away. So we're going to start talking through the quarterbacks, the running backs, wide receivers,

tight ends, the names you need to know. And the players that we believe in are starting to leave it.

We have sounds like we believe in pony boy. Yeah, that's the irony of that entire segment. Is

that I'm pretty sure it was it was a little demeaning. Well, it's just he has so many horse parts.

It was all followed up by a impressive, impressive, impressive. Yeah. Dude, horses are impressive.

Okay, animals. Thank you for joining us. I'm sorry, everybody. It's just who we are. We're

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