Religion of 911: Eye for an Icon w. Clyde Lewis (September 11, 2026)

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3:06All the other ones have been banned. You can find my books and the full archive, free and the subscription archive there on the website. If you'd like to contact me, rdgable1991 at gmail.com. Send me thoughts, send me ideas, comments, feelings, especially about this week's episodes. Many of them have been on 9-11 as this is the anniversary week of the 9-11 events. I call them events because it wasn't just the World Trade Center. The two towers, it was also building seven, part of building six. It was also Shang-Ksville, Pennsylvania. It was also the capital, Pentagon. When you look at all of these events, you start to notice, beyond the politics, beyond the religious rhetoric, blaming one group or one side or the other, beyond the justifications for war, the Wesley Clark stuff,

4:09and obviously it's connections to what's happening today with Iran. You start to notice that they're underlying esoteric cult currents. Just the idea of two towers in a place like New York City, which is considered a modern day tower of Babel, because of the 800 or so languages that are spoken in New York City. When the World Trade Center complex was partly replaced with the one world trade center, the one world tower, it's pretty obvious a one world tower in a city with people that speak 800 languages. That's your tower of Babel. New York City is also the big apple, and the apple led to the fall, not just of Adam and Eve, but those towers because those towers are Adam and Eve masculine and feminine, feminine and masculine, dark and light, beauty and strength,

5:09philosophy and science, whether it's Kapilistic or it's Baconian or it's old world, or it's from a free Masonic, you're dealing with something more than just concrete and steel. The Pentagon, which actually was, the ground was broken on September 11th back in the 40s, it's a pentagram, which is a defensive symbol, but if you were to light it on fire, you're sort of burning the defense away, if you will, in a sense, that's one interpretation, one way to look at it. But if you take those towers down, you're collapsing the pillars of the heavens, the pillars that hold the sky up, you're collapsing beauty and strength, you're collapsing, masculine and feminine, you're collapsing the gateway into the world of wisdom, knowledge, the middle path that goes between those pillars, and then erecting a one-world tower of Babel in the middle,

6:09it's a very esoteric and occult, even if you're just looking at tarot cards like the high priestess, you're looking at a very esoteric and occult theme, tradition, and in a far more darker way, what could be termed a ritualistic sacrifice? Now we have talked about this for years, we discussed this in part on Monday's show, and we discussed this with William Ramsey on Thursday's show. Tonight joining me for the length of the show tonight, one hour, a shorter show, a lot of longer shows this week, but a shorter show tonight will pack it all in in the next fifty-five minutes, is my good friend and colleague Clyde Lewis, he's with us on the line right now, please excuse some of the background noise, it's the location where Clyde is,

7:10some of you have heard other interviews with Clyde recently. Clyde, thank you for coming on the show. What do you think about my introduction, my initial opening thoughts? It's right on the money, especially when you figure that, mostly esoteric content that comes with the 9-11 attacks and what they meant and the synchronicities that happened both in literature and movies and, some of those things that the Trade Center represented, and not many people know about, just the idea that the Trade Center itself was recognized as a gate, it was a gate to the secret, and the secret was in the middle of the courtyard, the Pobinacci swirl, the Benben Stone, which was the Helopolis, where the phoenix went rise from its ashes and come back the resurrection of the beauty and resurrection of the feminine, the resurrection of the masculine. But the problem is, is that they basically went in and they altered the timepiece. They knew that they were going to go in and remove those towers,

8:11so they were going to destroy the stone in the middle, they would stop the folk from, and literally bruise time. And that's what they did. Time has been bruised and no one will know the beauty of what was once America, now that 9-11 has happened, because America is never, or has never recovered from it. That Benben Stone is the primeval mound where the monotheistic creator got Atum raised the world out of chaos. So it really is an order out of chaos scenario, create chaos and then offer the order. So it's the creation of a new world. It quite literally is the location of a new world order. Well, anything in the middle of the towers, whatever the towers were erected in such a way, in a sacred way, whatever is in the middle is considered the secret. You look at this with regard to things like when Prince of St. Anadine and what they did is they buried her between two towers, because she was the secret. She was a secret unlocked to the doors to what would be Camelot. The high priestess. Yes, she was a high priestess, same with alignments.

9:12When you look at the alignment sometimes from the harbors to the Statue of Liberty between the two towers, you see the high priestess again being replicated in New York and the skyline. Not very many people have seen that. But you can see pictures sometimes we go online, where they align the Statue of Liberty, which of course is a replica of ISIS Mary, the Madonna at Star Te. Just go down the list of all the other goddesses of the sea. ISIS Mary, the woman in the sea, is a secret. Diana, that's another word for the high priestess. You have Diana in the middle. You have the secret in the middle. And when you go through the secret of the towers, you find out that there's more to the world than ingested material. You know, one of the towers, I think it was the North Tower, had a 360 foot telecommunications antenna. So if you look at the traditional Masonic pillars, one has the sun, one has the moon, so one is masculine, one is feminine.

10:12Well, obviously a lot of buildings have communications in tennis, but in regard to the occult symbolism, this antenna is basically phallic. So one is the North Tower is clearly masculine, and the South Tower is clearly feminine. You're looking at something that would be similar to queer patriotism, it's very similar to queer patriotism, it's something that would be considered a, like you say, a phallus symbol, as well as the mating of the two, and the destruction of the two, the destruction of all creation, the destruction of the perfect circle, everything. And the fact too, that a lot of people don't realize that the World Trade Center was actually a replica of Mecca. It was basically the guy that designed it, so basically the guy that was designing the new Mecca, with the two minarets, and then you have a time piece between the two minarets at the clock, and because they wanted Mecca to be the place where zero time exists, so it was the same type of idea that in the place

11:12of the World Trade Center was zero time. It was, there was nothing that affected it from the time tables. It was always steadfast, they're holding up the heavens, as he said. It held up the heavens, and that was the whole purpose behind it. If you look at the Holy City of Mecca where the Kaba is, which is similar to Kabaala, and there's also the Kaba in South America as well, behind the Black Cube, if you look at it, there are two towers, and then above that is what I guess is like a clock tower. So there's a clock that's Saturn, that's chronology, that's chronos, that's the God of Time, the Black Cube, the two towers in the clock. Yeah. And the Kabaala Stone, which is the core substitute for the Benben Stone, it's replicated again in Mecca. So when people start, you know, they don't think about Mecca when they think about the World Trade Center, but the World Trade Center was our Mecca. It was our Benben Stone. It was our Kaba-Kaba Stone. It was our Minerates being guarded by the timepiece,

12:12and they went in and destroyed it, to basically declare that the time has come to the end, and that's exactly what it represented. In fact, if you go to the World Trade Center Memorial, there's an in-eat statement that says something in fact that these names will not be erased from time, you know, basically knowing that this is a place where time ceased to exist for some time. And then, of course, the resurrection of the world, the one-world center, which we went from the World Trade, meaning working apart from each other, separated to one-world, government or one-world, and that was the ritual. The whole idea of taking down the two towers, too, if you strip down the two towers to their base, what you're looking at is the destruction of all things that are, as I referenced a few moments ago, all things that are beautiful, all things that are strong, all things that are masculine, all things that are feminine, all things that are science, all things that are philosophy. And I feel like on every level of society, politically speaking,

13:13religiously speaking, we've seen the destruction of all of these things in America the last 20 years. We don't even know what a woman is anymore. Everything is ugly. People are weak. Arguments are weak. Politics is weak. Religion is everything seems weak. And ugly, everything seems immasculated or it-ifiminated. Everything seems like, you know, nothing, like science doesn't matter. Philosophy doesn't matter. Nothing matters. It's like we've become a nation of atheists, but not even in a religious way. It's like we don't really believe in anything because those towers, I think they represent symbolically the destruction of all that. That's the old world. And they've paved the foundation for a new world, as you just alluded to. It was true about that, because when you look at what it symbolically did, as it created a paradox in time, and I've always said that something has to do with- I mean, if the timeline were to change your shift, or if it was like the-

14:13the, uh, God particle, or their ben minutes, so their ingeniva, that was the thing that went nuts. And we certainly are living in a time that has no rudder, has no clock. It has no timepiece. It has nothing that recognizes time. It just recognizes chaos. And this is what we're dealing with here. As they bought with it, the symbolic chaos of destroying the secret, destroying the-the heart, aiming between the two towers into the heart of everything, into the secret of everything. That's what- I mean, when you look at things like Lord of the Rings, and they talk about the Arches, and they talk about the towers, they always say, what's-what's- we need the towers? Well, the secret's there. Well, the secret is the ring. The secret is, you know, friendship, the secret is fellowship. Well, not happening now, because we just don't have that piece that was there to represent fellowship, to represent a powerful fellowship that the United States had with many countries, which we do not have now. Are we just all? I believe there was also a piece of art. I don't know if it was a painting or tiles.

15:14I think David I could point it out. It was the planet Saturn, literally the planet Saturn, that was painted, or it was- I think it might have been tiles that was placed in the complex after the destruction. So it's not just like symbolically, it's literally the planet Saturn place there, like a substitute for the black cube there at the World Trade Center Complex, and that, of course, again, is time. I don't know if you were to, and I think they've done this. They basically took the longitude, latitude, and they moved it, or actually drew lines, and certain lines intersect with other major disasters that have happened. And it's because, you know, you do that too with Mecca. I mean, you take a look at Mecca, and they have- they rewrite their own time history. And they said, everything goes back to Mecca. Well, we had our own. Everything goes back to the World Trade Center, everything that is anything, anything that is money, anything that is commerce, anything that was negotiations. That's why you were talking about building six. Nobody talked about building six,

16:14but as soon as the first plane went into the tower, building six exploded. I mean, what you're seeing is you're not seeing explosions from the planes. You're seeing the explosion from blowing up building six, which housed the bank accounts of people like of some of them, a lot of them and others, and we're destroyed. I've heard building seven, while not her, and I know for sure, building seven had a lot of official state, city, federal offices. So what was building six, and building six was more- it was financial, and I think there's a theory about the gold and building six. And the theory is about how they basically willed out much of the gold under building six, but what they did is they wanted to destroy all transactions between the Israel, the Israelis and the United States, especially the United States, especially once it would finance both the first World Trade Center attack, and this World Trade Center attack. Is that a theory still, or is that something that's confirmable? Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to.

17:15I think you mentioned him in the, in your opening statement, the guy that, oh God, now he's the senator that said that there was going to be this long-term fight that we were going to go into five different countries. Oh, the general, General Wesley Clark. There's a Wesley Clark. You know, Wesley Clark had been mentioned of this and other people have made mention. I think it was I feel, I don't remember her first name, but she was on a PBS station. She was talking with Clark. And Clark had said, if you were to know just which countries were involved with 9-11, and which countries were basically funding it, you'd probably lose faith in the world. And I think that would refer to some people that we wouldn't necessarily think would have a, have a stake in it, but I would say that it was probably a time for even the Middle Eastern countries and others agreed to finance the come-up and some of the United States and have them be wounded in such a way that it would equal the playing field. Because you're looking at trade,

18:16you're looking at commerce, you're looking at money, you're looking at all that. And to level the playing field was what their dream was. And that includes not just the Middle Eastern countries to say, but Israel as well. We got all that that was hidden in Clark. And he even said something to Gwen Eiffel. That's her name Gwen. Gwen Eiffel before she died, actually reported this that, you know, we would suspect that Jeremy was involved. Israel was involved. Several other groups were involved. And like, there were countries that we wouldn't suspect would do this, but they did it. I do believe that if you, if you look at the history of the involvement of what that, what, I guess what we could call just say Israel for lack of a better word, this is not and would not be the first time that Israel had done something like that to the United States. And I was talking with Richard Gage on Monday and he was talking about thermite, which is one of his big pieces of evidence. And I stumbled across some recent reports,

19:16actually, but some older reports too, that there's only two countries in the world that have utilized thermite in these ways. It's the United States and Israel. So if there is evidence of thermite, it appears that the United States and Israel are really the only countries that have used stuff like that on civilians, especially internationally. Well, I've heard, I don't know why I heard this, but they were supposed to release some information about 9.11 now in the 25th anniversary. I feel so old saying that, you know, that's the 25th anniversary and they want to release papers. Usually they say that means that people who give a damn or too old to even, you know, get on the internet and read it, let it all feel something when they talk about it, because there's so many conspiracy theories out there that, you know, need to be met and looked at. But I was to the point, and that's why I would say I never, this is my last, you know, 9.11 show. I don't say that to be, because every time 9.11 shows sometimes get bogged down in what I call distractions. And, you know, I think this is when the

20:17conspiracy theory distraction was more prevalent was when, you know, people started talking about things like there were no planes that hit the World Trade Center. It was all holograms. There were a space weapons that brought down the World Trade Center. And all these things that we hear about, I'm not going to dismiss a conspiracy theory, but I am going to dismiss the belief, a religious belief in such a theory, because you don't know. You just have faith that that's what happened. And I always ask, what's the motive? When it comes to 9.11, I always ask, what would be the motive to have holographic planes? What would be the motive to fake the Pentagon? That's not easy. That's not easy. That's the water. So it makes them more difficult to figure out what actually happened or ask questions. Well, we have that. You see something in fact, what is the motive for not crashing a plane into World Trade Center? And then saying, or a crash will play the pathetic on it saying that it didn't or whatever,

21:18what is the motive of that? And I just can't figure out motives sometimes. I mean, some of the conspiracy theories are here. I just, you're referencing. I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm referencing French-disadformation is what I'm referencing actually. But you're also referencing commerce. You talked about commerce in regard to the gold and regard to economics in the one World Trade Center, the new one, not just the World Trade Center complex. But now, if you look at that in context with the Epstein DOJ files that have been released, there's a lot of talk about controlling international shipping and commerce. And then you look at 9-11, 9-11 on all sides, no matter who did it, who was involved, who benefited from it or not. You have those put and those call options on airline stocks. You have what is very clearly the vertical integration of wealth to the most powerful and most influential and wealthy companies and figures, the defense contractors made ungodly amounts of money

22:20in the wake of 9-11, and the military industrial complex. So you have that plush of all the insider trading in general, which is now something we continue to see with Iran and the market manipulation. So I think everybody's involved. And as much as you know that I criticize the hell out of Israel, it's not just Israel. The whole, it's Arabs, Jews, Christians, and atheists. It's just people making money off of these things. Oh yeah. And it's also good money and making it a religious type of affect as well. I remember one of the things that disgusted me when 9-11 happened is when they were doing tours and they were ringing beams that came from the trade center. And they were asking kids to come up and touch it like it was some sort of a sacred thing or they found a cross. They said, oh look, all the debris fell. And there was nothing left but these two beams crossing together to remind us that God had his hand in this. I'm thinking, okay. And then now I was just looking at something used to me

23:22about a Bible page that was fused into the steel that talks about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. How convenient is that? Yeah, right. Yeah. That's the most convenient piece of evidence since the Muslim passport was found. Yeah, exactly. And I shake my head and I'm like going, is this for real? I mean, yeah, I'm perfectly willing to believe in anomalous things. But when it gets to a point where the anomalous thing is benefit of certain group of people, I tend to worry that it's basically someone putting out a lot of good publicity and a lot of good propaganda to make it look like we need to get some sort of fake patriotic type of story to be spreading around so that we can feel good about ourselves. But the truth is, is the United States united not because they wanted to unite for a good cause. They united in hate. And that was exactly the thing that I guess brings us together is hate. We have to have the hate for one thing or one person or the force of united. And that's the sad thing is that, you know,

24:24that's why we're so divided now in politics is because 50% of the country hate Trump. 50% of the country don't. So that's why we're divided. And we get everybody to hate Trump. Everybody will love socialism. That'd be a different story. We probably, you know, take the bait. There's a uniform political movement, I think, forming on both sides. They want that third party. They want that cleaning out of the old system and the implementation of a new system. That's neither here nor there for tonight's show. But since you brought up the kind of icons and iconography and the idols and looking at that Bible, it's still debated if that Bible fused to the steel is real. I find it very unlikely that that's real. But there actually are pages of, I'm guessing, invoices, memos, documents that are actually fused to filing cabinets. You can see those in the museums in New York. There are coins that are fused together. Or I think there might be even wood in metal fused.

25:24So there's a fusion of the similar materials. It's the same kind of stuff that you see when you go to the Hiroshima Museum in Japan. There's all sorts of things that are fused together. But I didn't even explain the details. I had just sent you this Bible gateway story about that 9-11 Bible. And you noticed the same thing I did. It just so happens to be open to an eye for an eye. What are the chances of that? God wants us to go in a crusade against the countries that Wesley Clark mentioned. It's what a coincidence. Yeah. I mean, it's there to benefit the agendas. And same thing we saw with Ukraine. When Ukraine happened, we read all these stories about phantom pilots and people giving up their lives for this and this. None of it was true. They just made it up because it was a good opportunity to create just like they did in World War II and World War I. Stories about valor, stories about heroism and stories that would benefit the status quo. And as you try to figure it out, they do it 9-11.

26:24And I would say that there was also a number of side-ops were underway during 9-11. It would get people to think certain things. If I said before, the whole idea of the plane, not getting the Pentagon, was French disinformation. You can look at where it originated. It originated from France because what happened is when Bush was talking with France and they said that they didn't want to side with us. They came up with freedom fries. I don't know if you remember that. I remember that. Yeah. And after that, we started getting a number of French scientists saying, well, where's the plane that went into the Pentagon? And everybody started following that saying, yeah, where's the plane that went into the Pentagon? Look at that small hole. How does the plane get into that small hole? And, you know, I have a guy who drove cabin Washington. And Washington, you see, they told me he saw the plane hit the Pentagon. So, I mean, who are you going to believe? You know, your friend that saw the plane hit the Pentagon? Are you going to believe someone who shows you that's not a very thorough video of what looks like a missile hitting the Pentagon? Anyway, if it wasn't missile, what's the motive? What's the motive of firing a missile into the Pentagon?

27:26I mean, what's that supposed to prove? Some argue that it was the accounting department. Now, that's very disputed and others argue that it was just part of the ritual. It was a lighting on fire, if you will, of the pentagram. So, there's a whole wide variety of interpretations. I'm really glad that you brought up the cross because of all the debris. There's a lot of debris or two massive towers, concrete steel, just an immense amount of material that a lot of it, by the way, just turned a powder. But they find one set of beams that are crossed and that, yes, became this like religious, holy sign of the new crusade. And it's almost like, I'm really glad you brought up the Mecca story because the World Trade Center complex was created as an American Mecca. And if you look at the World Trade Center Bible, the idea you get is an eye for an eye. You destroy our Mecca. We're coming to Iran to destroy your Mecca. Your Mecca, exactly. And it would be interesting to see if we follow through with that orb,

28:27the interesting to see if we bring down the temple or anything else in repribution for what they did to 9-11 and what they did to the towers. We could easily see another icon or iconography being destroyed. I often worry about the statue of liberty being destroyed because we see, I mean, just like in the movies where we saw the towers come down and several movies like Independence Day and all these other films, you said to yourself, well, how many times have we seen the statue of liberty coming down? And what does that mean? Are they going to ritualize that as well? You never know. You know, the destruction of the financial temple, if you look at it from that point of view, it's a very similar thing to you destroyed our Mecca, will destroy your Mecca. So you destroyed our financial temple, will destroy your non-usery-based financial system, which is what Iran has. A non-usery-based system because usury is against the law under Islamic government. And now we've seen the White House, and we've seen a lot of the talking heads arguing about all these economic or fair techniques that we need to apply to the Iranians.

29:29And they never bring up the fact that it's a non-usery system, but you have a very similar theme there. Destroy our Mecca, we destroy your Mecca, destroy our financial temple, where money is our God, will destroy your non-usery-based temple. Right. And when you're using Joseph Campbell as an example, I remember reading a camera, which book maybe it was, I don't know exactly, which book I've read a few of his books. But he said something to the extent he says, when you arrive in a city, take a look what their largest building is, and that's the thing they value the most. And I noticed that it's true. You go to a city, and he pointed out Salt Lake City is the perfect example because he says we go to Salt Lake. And he says, you see that the church's headquarters is this big white oboe is looking type building, and it's in line with the capital, meaning the church will always be watching what the government is doing. And it's true. I mean, it just seems to be the very telling of, you know, the Tower Obelisk facing the temple,

30:35which was the capital. And the same thing with what's going on in New York, you had the two towers that represented a very important occult symbol that was destroyed. And then what they did is they made in response to the desecration of the towers, a huge obelisk that sits in the middle that represents the world and how we look at the world and how we look like we're superior to the world with our new obelisk that's supposed to be a beacon of world trade. And, you know, yeah, it's very interesting to see how we've reacted or at least have responded to our occult leanings within our subconscious minds. One of the talking points today, there's always been a talking point like this, but one of the current talking points politically religiously is that there's a spiritual war, you know, Tucker Carlson, Sean Ryan, everybody's talking about their experience with demons. But it really is a religious war, and there is a difference between a religious war and a spiritual war. And a religious war, a crusade, is what this all is.

31:37I mean, even Haggis of the Pentagon is talking about the war with Iran is a crusade. Like, that's what this is to these people. So, it doesn't matter if we believe this. This clearly isn't just our observation and we're making these things up. Like, the Pentagon openly says, that's what this is. There's no menacing words about it. They really do think this is like an end time scenario. Like Bill Cooper said, this is really a modern day crusade. We got to get back at the Muslims as well because technically kind of they retained most of the land and they kind of won the original crusades. So, we have to get vengeance on them for that. I mean, that's the thing that is so crazy is that let's say the Iranians are also crazy in saying religious fanatics. Okay. But obviously, so is our leadership. I mean, did you see JD Vance recently just say that he doesn't care if the end of the world gets brought about by his actions as long as he follows with the Lord wants him to do? Like, that's insane. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's their standing now. The army again, this is a matter of time. And, you know, freedom is a state of mind. And if you're free, if you feel like you're free and you're doing what you think the Lord wants,

32:41you're going to be spared the sort of death from that from the hellfire. The hellfire. Yeah, the hellfire. Yeah. I mean, every, let's take one of the things I spoke one time, but I was called to speak to a religious gathering. And I said, one of the things about the end of the world that I'm not going forward to is I think it's going to hurt. And I think that's exactly what people need to start thinking about. I mean, it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt emotionally, physically. And for those of us that die, it's going to hurt that way too. And I imagine such the pain and the suffering that we've just had with Ron Patton passing away. And I just think to myself, wow, I never planned on old age being this terrifying in this heartbreaking. And so certainly the world throws you a curve ball and how you react to it. I guess is how you're going to live for the rest of your life. And you got to start thinking about the future because it just goes by so fast.

33:42And I mean, yeah, 25 years ago, 9.11 happened. And many of us understand and remember just like it was yesterday, because many of us believe it or not, they were doing a survey. Most people watched 17 hours of that tower getting hit over and over and over and over again. And another thing that's interesting to you, I don't think people know this, but the movie Independence Day was down, I guess 300 on the charts is being one of the most rented. Movies after what happened with the World Trade Center, it went up the demand for the movie went up a little more. And I think it's because people wanted to go back and they wanted to see in the movies how it looked compared to how it looks in reality. When the alien ship destroyed the Empire State Building. Yeah, or the Chrysler building and how it all kind of flattened out on its own. And then in the end, I mean, you see the ship hovering over New York and towers have been destroyed. But I mean, there are other movies too. You see a lot of different indications.

34:45I mean, even back to the future where you know, he runs into the parking lot of that mall that when he runs into the mall, it's it's 116 in the morning. And it says twin pines. You see these two pine trees. And it's 116 in the morning. And then when he goes to the past or what all he runs over the tree and then it's only a single pine. Yeah, it's a single pine and then he comes back to the mall. And there's only one pine. And it again represents why did they go to one pine after two pines? And why was it 116 because you turned the sign over it's 911. You see that they had a Western was it Western auto nine on the side where the the the the lorian goes and leaves behind those two streaks of fire. So you see a nine and 11 and you know, it's just bizarre the way that all came together. I personally don't think that it's predictive programming per se I think most of that the majority of some of it might be, but most of it is a result of it's the it's very classical archetypical imagery.

35:55You know, ones ones and it's very binary kind of a cult thing. It's ones and zeros. It's masculine feminine. It's in every aspect of human life and nature. But nonetheless that that idea of two to one that is the alchemic. Well, there's two ways to look at it. That's the alchemic old transmutation. So you're uniting these different aspects into a singular, you know, soul or you could look at it when you bring those two things together. It produces a third so you get a kind of trinity. And that third is the new order that comes out of this. Yes. Let me ask you this client. I was you had brought up the the cross in the rubble and the debris, but there's also the fact that I think you might have references to they took a lot of that material and it was just it was dumped or it was sold off material to the Chinese reportedly. Yeah, but to make the big bridge is that because that comes to mind. A lot of that stuff made it to random parts of the country where if you know if you say 9-11 everybody remembers you just said you remember where you were on 9-11 I was in fifth grade I remember like we didn't need you know you have a flag and a picture of firefighters that propaganda okay but like everybody knows the twin towers everybody knows what happened and yet they take pieces of it supposedly pieces of it.

37:10So put it in place is like Boise Idaho on the green belt where we would bike and walk. So you'd be walking on this green belt next to the snake river and suddenly you come across a piece of the world trade center and it's this weird like icon idle memorial that you're supposed to like stop and you know say say your piece to and like a prayer. It's a very, very religious thing. It's it's not just about remembering it's about trauma. It's about religion spirituality. Right on the ritual every year them playing the bells and reading the bells moment of silence and all that stuff. It's done because it is a ritual and not only that you figure that the flag that was flying that day the world trade center was the sigil of death was of all those souls are probably went into it to solve it once. That's a haunted probably yeah it's a haunted flag obviously because it was it was like you imagine all those souls hitting you know everything all at once and then having been you know I mean people say that even in.

38:11I was playing went down I guess it was in. Shanks so yeah yeah shanks so they said that there were people all were behind their haunted that area and they're like walking around it's the people with street places and they they have a guard there all the time and they get nonchstown the door is three in the morning and I wonder which way coming up wondering you know where they are and why they're there and yeah so yeah I'm sure that there's a lot of paranormal things that have not been talked about with the world trade center that probably have haunted people or this day and just the idea that you know they did not remove any of the bodies or anything else from the site where they built them using them I mean that New Zealand filled up with dead bodies of those souls that died on 9-11 but a lot of them. That's like some gang is con glad the in paler stuff yeah it is it's I mean it's like you didn't move the body so I also got a whole place is you know they didn't even bother to dig out the remaining because puts the museum on top of it so it's like the Arizona you know the same thing I mean they got soldiers down there still with a kind of robbing a way and you know they're doing other world trade center

39:19I just think it's kind of there's some morbidity to that there's some altars to death in that idea it's it's really strange when you get down to vehicle and the idol tree the idol the idol tree is way the world trade center has appeared over the 25 years that it's happens. Do you recall the stories about how there were body parts primarily fingers and things like that that were found blocks away on top of other skyscrapers remember that there were body parts all over all over the area which is also strange because of buildings collapse I mean I guess things can get launched because of the pressure in the end of the world. It's the pressure in the end and what's happening but like there were several blocks away body parts on top of skyscrapers that in that I think implies it's something exploded outward not imploded and collapsed into a footprint. Well you know you got to understand too we had planes to explode isn't you got all these other things that happened I mean one of the things people say which well where was all that where was already a plane part well I saw photographs of the plane parts

40:29you know I journalistic you know they're just getting to a crypto myself all the parts fall out of the building so there were parts there were parts that were actually the Pentagon because what's been had is that the well you had two of the tires from the plane you had also piece of the American airlines like what is the same I'm sitting there talking up and I'm taking I skip names he was a glass. He's the guy with the glasses the weird rum settled like a rum shell down a rum shell and a few tires in his office sitting also had a piece from the United Airlines plane to the American Airlines plane and you had it you know sitting on again and a placard like it was some sort of a trophy well that's like I mean Netanyahu literally has his COVID vaccine syringe on his desk in a box say that's just so weird people do that. It's just basically creating idle sit. First of all we're told not to not to be a part of idol.

41:34We're that we've participated on the time especially when it comes to things like 9-11 when it comes to things like you know artifacts up behind by somebody's pass away I mean you shouldn't you know you should never deify those things what people do. Especially when that type of stuff is the result of a horrible awful terrible horrific event where thousands of people die. Yeah. That's more than just morbid that's almost like you said it's it's almost like a serial killer taking a trophy. It's one of it. I mean it's a strike against the occult nature of the civil religion and you cannot sample on the civil religion and civil religion gives you the flag the civil religion gives you the hint. The same the civil religion gives you symbols like Mount Rushmore and the World Trade Center and if you might know what happened about Rushmore with a fact you might know what happened. Satur would be with attack these are icon part of the civil religious occult groups and people realize that they're the mesmerizing program in respect to them out of patriotism and there's nothing one that is the idols that we are told that are important.

42:45How do you respond to the question and I think it's an obvious answer but how do you respond to the question why and how does all of this affect us today in 2026. I think like they said earlier you know after 9-11 we lost our rudder we have lost our direction and maybe that symbology was there for a reason keep us focus on the time focus on what it means to be an arson focus on. What it means to be a responsible person who you know who handles commerce and business and and we treat people with respect but now we don't I mean you take a look at everything that's going on you know tariffs and all kinds of crazy spending and all kinds of crazy inflation and all kinds of just you name it it's like it's completely out of control and out of touch. America is so far out of touch right now I don't blame it on top of the way I blame it on America people demanding some sort of entitlement that they I know where they develop that they develop entitlement type of attitude that I don't think it's going to fly in the future if you have that entitlement out of the we are.

43:57We are destined for socialism we are destined for this this new liberalism they call it which I think is in liberalism at all it's just a new way of you know bringing communism or even socialism in the next. Well one extreme begets another extreme we were talking about this last night and you get one version of hardcore rightist inless wars and religious fanaticism under bush and then that begets extremist leftist Obama then that creates whatever mega war. It was and then that is Biden's extremist leftism and then it's more rightism and war with Iran and then what the next leftist movement might be just might be the last one it might be the physical bolster of a revolution or it might be you know the next step toward that it's one after another the pendulum swings. And I will say this I believe that whatever's coming is going to be more complete fueled and whatever's seen in the history of this country and it's going to be hate and resentment and all those participated in what they feel this enemy behavior the other ones are going to be marching the streets and shop.

45:00And they will be given no quarter and they and the ones who are bitching about ice right now the ones who are bitching about unfairness right now are going to be the very ones are going to be going out the same type of punishment but a lot worse because they have more resentment that they follow up inside of them for many years. You just see the attitude on the internet you see the attitude with people and and what they say to them and you bring up Donald Trump you bring up mega you see how they react it's it's really a scary thing. I don't live in the US currently but I I'm afraid for people like you people who do live in the US most of our audience because I think what's coming next or what comes after that what comes after that it's it's a build up to what we've read in the history books what you experienced in South America when you live there. So I love you I said yeah it's it's a build up to what you experienced in South America when you live there to build up to what we read or sometimes when we don't read but in the history books right either that or there's going to be again a promise a person brings us to the promise land and you know you'll convince us that the other way is it work my ways are going to work we have to do it this way and this will be where people will start wondering if they're dealing with an anti-Christ or just a

46:16dealing with some sort of a proper site savior or someone like that because it just seems that you have all of this and the days talk and you have all of this like Peter T. O. going from door to door selling his anti Christ stories you know there's got to be a reason for this and even if it doesn't happen tomorrow you think it's maybe 10 or 20 years down the road. I mean that's a pretty good gap I'm sure that it's going to happen between now and 20 years from now if anything I mean I know that's a safe that's a safe time to hide under but it just seems to me that it just gets worse and worse and the and the rhetoric gets higher and higher and the people get more they become more resolved and in the sinking and you can't tell them otherwise there's a war going on and it's a spiritual war. And it's between two different types of thought to different types of maybe even a third different to add a third thought because you've got to realize that Israel hasn't had their machine off yet.

47:17The she off hasn't come to them yet and so we're waiting for machine off to come what's going to happen if somebody claimed that their machine off and are coming to basically they'll out Israel how we're going to react to that you know how a Christians react to that are they going to out bow down to it is the anti Christ. Decraced that's the thing is that you know is that even the even the more learned will bow down to him you know I was here well every every you know time will utter and everything or whatever but I don't necessarily believe that I believe that the the the the cunning of what is about to happen will be so keen to be into like the people who get that they're under control by someone who has this utopia in mind where somebody's going to have to pay for it. You don't want to be for it will make somebody else pay for it and I would be with blood guts sweat crying you know pain that's how it's how it's always done have you seen the Sanhedrin the officials in he dream the high council of rabbi is has officially in the last few weeks petitioned heaven for three things number one destroying all the enemies of Israel which includes just people that are like well you know I'm a Christian so that's an enemy of Israel to a couple of people.

48:28So all the enemies of Israel be destroyed by God God would send in part to the Mosheak what you just said so that's the anti Christ for the Christians and for the Muslims as well and he'll help the Jews build their third temple so this isn't this isn't some like Muslim leader in a country we don't really know what he's saying or what he's doing this is the Mosheak and the temple and the rhetoric of killing everybody who disagrees all the all the Gentiles and the Jews are going to be in the middle of the world. Especially mostly Christians the high rabbinical council in Israel the same government the same spiritual backbone of that government that is running the war through the pentagon so this isn't just some crazy person in a cave according to Fox news this is the high rabbinical council that that wants this I mean that is insane you're right the question is what happens. If we wake up tomorrow and we hear from Israel that they have the sheath. The sheath has arrived they blow the show car everybody's gathered around at the temple and they decided they're going to bring it down.

49:35The more Islamic. I'm triggering and then build a third temple and and do everything that they say is part of the book of the apocalypse how are there a compressions going to react to that. I mean you see what happened with 9 11 9 11 was a big deal is almost like you know arrival of the Marne again it was the rival the end of the final the end of the country we we bounce back not very well though it seems like we're all lost. Now we have somebody to come bring us together he calls himself she off we call himself Messiah and of course we got plenty of other political figures that want to take that place to it's not just you know not just Israel we've got the Prince William we got. We've got other people like manual sorry. The French is it the French guy that says he's the crown McCronk on he's like Saturn or Jupiter and I'm a crown yeah he called himself Jupiter he said I am Jupiter.

50:36He declared himself he declared himself God even before he became the leader of France so I mean we've got always want to be gods out there wanting to take over at any time and people just don't take them seriously. And they should because these are people that are telling us out of our lives will see here's people ask me why aren't you so critical of Islam and I tell them well that's because every form of media already is critical I don't need to be critical and also a lot of stuff that you say but is a lie because I've read their book but the thing that scares me about Islam. Is that if that would happen what you just described if they say okay look we have the Mosque this is the Messiah he's here well most denominations of Islam so about two billion people maybe one point eight but about two billion people they see that as the Antichrist out there's all and then the body is supposed to arrive and then Jesus is supposed to come back and then Jesus and the body which you might know from from do as a listener and the Muslim world goes to war with Jews it goes they go to war with Israel so if they declare that they have the Mosque and especially if they destroy Al-Aqsa that is a declaration of Armageddon the Muslim world will march on Jerusalem they will march on Israel and obliterate the country and then the U.S. is going to be dragged into that that's what scares me.

51:57You destroy Armageddon will destroy your Mekka. Yeah that's an eye for an eye. 9-11 yeah an eye for an eye read that Bible pieces fuse under that piece of steel an eye for an eye or two for a tooth it's all a bit it can be it can be people just love to read from the good you love the video because don't you climb. Oh I hate that book. Yeah this spies it it's just so and then people use it like it's gospel will lose God will know it's old testament I'm sorry I just I just think old test was more of an history but said it I mean yeah if you want to take the laws from Moses but those laws of course became higher laws when Jesus arrived that's just an argument it's 50 anion how did we really believe me by serious I mean Jesus basically came in and said okay guys time to do something else and what we were told it you know it's time to you know time to untie your goats on Sunday and so of course you just I mean if you read the litigates that you would tell us you have the right way to slaughter your lamb

53:01okay did you hear did you hear rabbi top I think his name is pronounced tov glass or you know top glass or the rabbi I know he is yes so he's a senior rabbi at the it's the world center in the old city of Jerusalem so he's like one of the top abys and he actually kind of answered my question I was always wondering I think I'd ask you this one time I said well how does this all affect like the Chinese or the Japanese or the Koreans like how does affect the eastern world it doesn't really believe in a lot of this stuff they have their own views if in most part there's Christian the western influence beyond beyond that but how does that affect them and glass or has an answer to it and he says and I would play the clip before and I mean this guy's like the top one of the top rabbis he says the idea is since the Chinese never touched our temple we're not really mad at them and even though they might not be they're not Jews you know they're basically cattle

54:02they don't subscribe to JC so since they don't subscribe to Jesus Christ we don't have as much of an issue with him he literally says that's when I have an issue with them so what'll happen is God will use the Chinese to destroy America and then the Chinese this is what you get impression from what he goes on to say the Chinese will basically be happy that they weren't destroyed by God so then they'll happily become the slaves of the new system run out of Israel like that's what the leader these people are beyond insane but then again it's not what you believe it's what the leader is going to believe in Saturday you'll be playing along in the insanity just because you want to be part in every country club I've got little club that little political club that everybody swears by everybody fans and they're defending the most powerful ludicrous stuff I've ever heard in my life and they don't even realize they try to tell how ludicrous it is both sides and they look at you like okay go away there Maga you know go away there with the libertarian I think we even stop for a moment and not hold judgment calls and names out of hats to try and

55:08destroy that already if they're philosophy vote necessarily a beer be your philosophies I mean it doesn't mean it just because like for example if there's one particular issue you agree with liberal that doesn't make you a liberal just make you someone that you could be and it's just people with that black and white well in the stone like it in the last few minutes we have left here we got about three minutes the idea of the world trade center representing things like masculine and feminine or beauty and strength or science and philosophy I mean look at how science has been transformed into Dr. Fauci is the science trust the science the science is we don't actually do any science look at how philosophy has been reduced to instead of having a discussion it's just reduced to what you said name calling that is the destruction of science and philosophy and all those other things that are represented by the destruction of those those pillars as the fall of man the fall of Adam and even the garden the apple New York. Yep, the call is is representation of the fall

56:08the secret was just a creative on that day and whatever secret you think it is is part of the series in a big iconography that are being worked at all that stuff and signolings that we are a group of people that are confused and are still be wilderness by an event and happen 25 years ago. The Rockefellers are connected to this directly because of the the UN and the UN directing a lot of this international unification obviously and so you look at Rockefeller Plaza you've got Prometheus and you have God creating the world and that imagery that iconography is is just as much a part of this not just because it's in New York but because that's this is all based on religious symbolism and spiritual beliefs and again doesn't matter if you think it but they clearly do from JD Vance to Netanyahu to whoever the leader of Iran is and that's scary especially for people like me who as you joke about you know I'm just a shinto a man because everybody gets dragged into it

57:08regardless of what you think either makes a shinto a very I think Christmas I just I just love that line when I talk to you well let's let's end on that high note let people know anything else that you want to share real quick about a minute. Ground zero plus is doing well we'd like you to subscribe silly with no I'm not there to fill shows were basically doing what the promise was to provide entertainment of some of the shows that have been piling up for the last 30 years and some of them you never heard before because a lot of people are new to the shows one of the things I'm very proud of and I think that you remember the show we're going to read about the 20th anniversary we did a show called play it against scam it's one of my favorite 911 shows I did where I actually take audio from the networks and I play it on the air to remind you that it was the networks that's on the conspiracy theories it's not the people that are doing

58:08them now it's a network system from the idea that demolished buildings to the idea that you know kids with chanting things about the planes going into the buildings before it happens. Just some of the things that just don't make any sense you get you get all kinds of lines from the mayor the Donald Trump I think is even in there just a bunch of people saying what they said in a lot of stories. And if you listen back it's fresh because we got all the audio from that day and we play it back to you and you get to hear what was said and you'll be shocked at what you hear from the news media. We also have our app are on air app you can get as well we're also going to be releasing the ground zero a i encyclopedia where you're going to be able to type in questions of it and it's going to give you outlines of everything that I have said Chris is you will be able to give it true Chris has done a great job with the website and all the other people in the back end and obviously we did a run patent tribute but you know our thoughts are always with with Ron and you know these are

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