Reloading Podcast 569 – Otis Technologies

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Cameron O'Donnell.

Howdy, everyone.

Tonight we have Bill from Otis Technologies.

What is Otis Technologies you want to know?

Bill's going to let us know.

Bill, I personally know about Otis because I have a whole kit and so you know how old

that is.

Yes, sure.

I've actually, so my neighbor, shortly after my wife and I got married, my neighbor actually

gave me it because I hadn't, I went and bought one of those cheap outers.

You know, simple cleaning kits and it wasn't cleaning it.

So I was talking to the neighbor, he goes, oh, not here.

You got to try this.

And I finally got to the point where I got tired of pushing everything back in and so

I called to get, I showed this last week, but I called to get a replacement because this

is all foam and you know, after 30 years of kind of where it's tension.

And I was blown away that they literally sent me a new one for free.

They weren't cheated out and sent me one.

And I'm like, I was going to pay for it, but thank you.

So.

So glad you had a positive experience.

Oh, yeah.

I think that's the reputation that we established from day one.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, just so speaking of day one, why don't you tell us about the history of

Otis?

Sure.

Well, it all started on a hunting trip between Doreen Williams and her dad, Jerry, about

40 years ago.

In fact, this year we're celebrating our 40th anniversary.

I saw that.

And so they went out for their for a deer hunt and long behold, Doreen had accidentally,

I think either tripped or what have you, I don't recall exactly what the situation, but

basically the barrel over gone got stuck in the mud and that was the end of the hunt.

So they had to go back home.

That was the end of that day's hunt.

And she was looking for something to clean, clean her, clean her gun and went through

her granddad's, some of his World War II stuff, found something and proceeded to clean

out her gun.

Well, her dad also a tool and die maker and that kind of started the business.

They first started, you know, on the kitchen table and made some kits and moved out to the

garage and made some more kits.

And here we are 40 years later with a lot of effort and the entire family being involved

and, you know, taking the business to where it is today.

We have been supplying the U.S. military for almost 30 years now.

So it's battle proven, it's been in every theater for the last 30 years and the same

thing that we do for our veterans and our active duty soldiers is the same product that

goes into our commercial products as well.

So it's the same reputation, same product, same people, same processes, same materials

and which is why we have a strong piece of the market, you know, maybe cost a little

more, but as far as value, you can't beat it because all the stuff that's coming from

all the other options are really coming from Asia.

So you get what you pay for.

I can absolutely say it's worth it.

A couple of the brushes that are in there are actually still the original brushes.

How about that?

They've lasted.

Yeah.

The pistol brushes.

I mean, rafel brushes, they'll take a beating, but the pistol brushes are, sure.

And that reminds me.

The patches are amazing.

Unfortunately, I have to order more so I can't show them off, but you can if you've got

one handy.

The nice thing is about the patches, you get six different times.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

You can flip it back and forth and you have this three slots on it.

Yep.

You know, we do have a, on our website, the, you know, the technique that's used, what

I really like about the patch if folded properly is it's almost think of it as an

inverted umbrella that's able to swab, you know, complete 360 degree circumference of the

inside of a barrel.

So it, it was a clever approach that that we had patented and it's, it's, it's been proven

over the years to be extremely reliable from a, from a cleaning or lubricating standpoint.

Yeah.

Speaking of cleaning and lubricating, how did you all decide on your, your formula for

CLP?

Well, you know, back, back when, you know, our, I think our greatest success, if I could

just, you know, kind of take up a high level approach.

I think our success, not just with our CLP, but with all our products is we listen to our

customers, voice of the customer.

And you know, whether we're talking to commercial customers or, you know, we, we work with Picatinny,

we work with the different labs, Army, out of, out of Whalen or, you know, different

bases that, that our guys go to and so forth, you know, we listen to the customer and, and

that's really the key if one wants to be successful in any business is really listening to your

customers.

What, what do they want?

What do they deem valuable?

Sometimes I, you know, I've got to be careful myself because, you know, being a competitive

shooter and, and so forth, my needs may be only a fraction of what the entire, you know,

the majority, the majority of customers that are out there are either new to firearms, you

know, we, we know how many nicks checks there are every, every year.

Many of them are new shooters entering it, entering the, our, our space.

So we want to make sure that we're solving their problems as well as having solutions

for competitive shooters, for those, and everyone in between, right, because it becomes critical.

Well, so going back to the CLP, we tried a number of different formulations back in the

day and quite frankly, we work, we settled on, on, on the formula that we have today.

We haven't, haven't changed quite some time, but we're also always looking for something

different to see if there's a better response.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?

So that stuff ain't broke.

Yeah, that's why I've got there you go.

There you go.

So, yeah, yeah, I think one of the coolest things with that is the fact that the bottle that

came with the kit and caboodle, you can refill.

Yeah, right.

And the applicator, right?

I mean, it's, you know, it's got fine, fine application.

I mean, one of the things that it's funny when I do my CCW classes, I make sure

that it's clear that more is not better.

No, right?

So in fact, I tend to run stuff dry and let it fail before I actually will put more stuff in.

But you know, that's how folks it, the more you put in there, the more mud you're going

to create.

So you want to be very careful on exactly what you're using as well as how much you

want.

It could be actually a detriment and a liability if you put too much.

Absolutely.

So what prompted the expansion out of cleaning products?

Because you do have a bunch more stuff than just the cleaning, there's the basic cleaning

products.

Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, it's, it's again, we want to be one stop shop.

So, you know, as, as we listen to more and more customers, you know, there's always,

hey, you know, it'd be great if you had this.

It'd be great if you had that.

And, you know, how do we make cleaning easier?

How do we make cleaning better or take less time?

For example, the rip cord is a, as a consequence of, of that discussion.

Having something unique where, where pulling something through and not having to worry

about the barrel being so hot that it melts, melts that product inside your barrel.

So, you know, what I, I often do, what I have a rip cord in my range bag.

If, uh, uh, between stages at a competition, I'll just throw it through the ejection

port and run it through the barrel and, you know, just have, just clean it up or up through

the grip and clean the feed wrap into the pistol.

Uh, there's, you know, a couple of different uses there, but it makes for, uh, real fast

and handy cleaning.

So, again, it really comes down to listening to our customers and trying to expand the product

place, the product, product offering and, and having a, you know, one-stop shop.

Because if, if you, if you want to buy Otis products, there's no need to buy any of the

other products we, we have it all.

Yeah.

If you can answer, and maybe you can't.

Um, but how much of the business is civilian versus, uh, military alio?

Well, um, I will say that both of them are significant.

Um, they are both important parts to our business.

Um, it's also, um, sometimes when one is up, the other one is down and vice versa.

Uh, certainly during the 20 years of GWAT, um, I could tell you there was a lot of product

that came through our building.

Uh, certainly not just ourselves, but others that have been supplying that space,

uh, certainly are producing less as a consequence.

Um, but I'd say it's still a, uh, we, we couldn't survive if it was just

military sales and we couldn't survive if it was just commercial.

We have a nice complement between the two and, um, um, again, it's, it's, um,

it's valuable to have to, even though they're in the kind of the cleaning, same cleaning of

products, they're, they're really in two different markets that help, um, help to, uh, offset, uh,

uh, difficulties in the markets marketplace.

It's kind of nice to have that diversity.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

I find your kit to be ideal for my backpack when I'm hunting and that kind of stuff.

That's when I use your kit.

I go out and deer hunting.

That's when I find, you know, it can get me through, you know, weeks where the deer hunting

with a lot of problems.

Sure.

You know, when I get into other precision parts, parts of, uh, shooting, well, then it gets,

it gets tougher.

Yep.

Those things.

But I love the, the, the size, I mean, we're talking something about the size of my fist,

um, that I can throw in my backpack in a pocket and, you know, get me out of a bind.

Like I say, if you fall, sure, sometimes and, you know, the, the problem with deer hunting,

and especially where Mike and I are at is, there always seems to be rain or snow or something

that happened out there.

And, uh, we're out there, you know, wiping guns down and, and, you know, the CLP is great

for, you know, trading the outside.

Yeah, it's, it's just, it's just there.

Yeah.

You know, I'm not, I'm sorry, but my hunting rifles, I'm not really concerned about putting

in a precision bore guide down in it and, and carrying a, uh, uh, 42 or 44 inch cleaning rod

with me.

Well, that's, that's really been, um, I think the, the key to our success of having a portable

cleaning kit.

Um, and, and that's why it was so popular and easy to convince the US military to use that.

I mean, back in the day, it was, well, and we still sell, uh, plenty of the, of the,

envelope, you know, with the, uh, with the steel rods that are still, you know, standard

issue to, and, and, in some places.

Um, but, you know, from, it was, you know, the, the round pack has been, uh, easy to carry,

you know, in your Rucksack, doesn't take a whole lot of room.

And, um, you know, if you're, you know, you're sitting, you're, you're, you're out, you're

out in, out down range.

And, uh, need to keep that rifle clean.

That's, that was, that's the product to use.

And whether it's in combat or whether hunting camp and cleaning the rifle between, you

know, the days you're up at a deer stand or on a, on a ground blind, um, you know, having

that available.

It's a lot easier than having a big tackle box type of cleaning kit, right?

And to your point, you know, there is, there is, I mean, when I go, you know, to a three

day gun event, um, you know, I've got, I've got more stuff with me, especially if I'm

three gunning, I, you know, I got to clean a shotgun rifle and pistol as well.

So, um, I've got more stuff that's with me.

But, you know, again, that's where we have everything.

We, we have the small round packs to a big range box.

We've got it all.

Well, the, the nice thing that I always found was that your kit, like I say, it fits in

my backpack great.

But when I'm going out to the stand or something else, I, I have it, one of my pockets of my,

my pants, you know, in the side pocket or something like that, doesn't get in the way.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, there's just no, no problem whatsoever.

Um, I can get, get stuff out and it's all right there in a, in a, you know, a six inch

round, uh, uh, package.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've got a GAR fan, even though I have a few, uh, but I'm mostly a precision shooter.

Mm-hmm.

But they're just, you know, I'm really negative on the, um, a lot of the cloth, um, pull through

type gun cleaning kits.

I'm not happy with those.

They seem to spread junk, but you're cleaning.

No.

Uh, whereas your kit, I have a patch that I can change.

I have a, uh, a brush that I can pull right in independent of each other.

We don't have a brush and a lot of cloths is following.

Yeah.

I can't change.

Right.

Right.

Am I going to do with it?

It's just pulling, pulling carbon back through it, sanded my barrel down.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, especially precision shooting, if you're a precision shooter, you've got a, you've

got a very specific cleaning approach that you feel comfortable with and in every, every

precision shooter has a different methodology.

So that's why, you know, a lot of times, you know, there's, there's no one solution.

And whatever people have had good luck with in their, uh, PRS, um, it's, it's, yeah, it's,

it's unique.

Every, every shooter is different.

Well, I'm just saying that this is a, uh, a handy item.

I take it when we go, uh, prey dogs shooting, okay?

Nice.

I take it out, you know, and every so often you need to pull something through, you know,

pull something through the barrel to get it cooled off or something.

Sure.

He's taking the bolt out, getting the big rods out and it's true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I go, go to the hotel or, or we're staying, yeah, the rods are coming out, you know,

and the stands, make it a mess in the motel room.

How many, be honest now?

How many towels have you used that you either throw it away or take it home?

No, that's okay.

In the old days, when I used to shoot prey dogs in the old days, you were shooting three

to 5,000 rounds and, okay, you can't do that anymore.

I just can't, it just can't find that place, but you're still shooting 500 days, you know,

and it could, do you go, do you go to Idaho or Montana or where, where do you prefer?

Southeast Dakota, okay, okay, early 80s, what caliber are you?

All over.

223s, you know, 222s, 6,000, a lot of 6,000, a millimeter now, I shoot a 308 out there.

So it's, you know, all over the, I'll go over 308, I can't see a lab in, you know, a 338

laboo, is it six inch by three inch dog?

Yeah.

It gets expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah, especially in a smaller caliber, it will do, especially like a 220 swift or, you know,

222, 250.

222, 250.

Yep.

Nice.

Yeah.

First, 222, 250, first gun that I, that I ever shot a barrel out of, on a parry dog hunt.

So.

Well, that's it.

I think, if I recall, I mean, those, those volat, muscle velocities are close to 4,000,

aren't they?

Yeah.

Over 4,000?

Close to 4,000, yeah.

Yeah.

So, don't take much.

That's what they make guns, you know, I call it, that's what they, they make gunsmiths

for.

Yeah.

I keep them in business.

Yeah.

I agree.

Yeah.

So, um, yeah.

There's, uh, that, you know, I got, I, I learned, uh, to turn my own barrels and everything

else.

So I, I learned how to take care of them because it takes a lot of time to turn them.

Sure.

So you bought, you bought blanks and it turned, it turned the contour or, I, I, I, I, I,

I bought the contoured already.

Okay.

I still had to, uh, to cut the threads, um, and cut it so the, the, uh, recoil lug would

fit and then go turn the threads and then chamber.

Nice.

Um, the guy I learned from was a gunsmith and that's, he taught me how to reload and how

to, uh, how to chamber a barrel and everything else.

Nice.

Nice.

Well, it's a losing art if we don't get, uh, people to continue doing that.

Yes.

I was, uh, talking with my niece today and she asked me to take out, um, my, uh, her

two, her two sons and start shooting.

Nice.

Uh, that's, that's what we got to do.

We got to keep, keep paying it forward and, uh, have, continue, continue with the legacy

and the love that we have of the sport.

That's my, uh, retirement career.

There's gunsmith.

Do you see over my shoulder?

Well, actually, I don't think you can see it now with the camera pointing down.

But, uh, on top of my gun safe there, I've got, uh, modern gun school, uh, their, uh,

distance learning program that I'm working on.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

So a lot of good information in there and when I retire from my current job in four years,

that's what I'm going to be doing.

Excellent.

Worked myself.

So, um, so Paul was talking about pulling carbon and everything back through.

How do you do?

How do you keep that from happening with the rip cord?

Well, I mean, you have in, in the rip cord, um, you know, it's a pretty tight weave.

So it certainly will, you know, you come, you come through there, uh, first of all, the,

the cleaning area is could be as long as eight or, eight or nine inches long.

I hold on a second.

Let me go grab one here.

Yeah.

I don't like getting banned.

So this is a typical nine millimeter that I have.

Yeah.

Um, you see that there's a smaller diameter in here and as, as you get to this fat portion.

So it starts off as a, uh, aircraft cable and then over this portion here, which is about

10 or 11 inches long.

We mold a contoured, um, it's a, uh, in the last summer, you know, we'll call it rubber

for now.

Yeah.

And then we weave no max over the entire length.

So no max has a high, high temperature of 700 degrees Fahrenheit.

So this will not, this will not get hung up in, you know, melt in the barrel.

But there's a texture to this rip cord.

So there's, there's, uh, you know, kind of a relief that is molded through.

I don't know if we can get real close.

You can notice that it's not round, but it's, it's got a contoured to it.

So yeah, that's, that's, that's a great way to explain it.

So any dirt is going to get encapsulated by the time, you know, you get to the end of

this fat portion, uh, that dirt is not going to come through.

So you know, you, you can go through your ejection port multiple times, um, this can also

be clean too.

I mean, you can throw it in the, in the, in the, throw it in the wash machine.

You can throw it in the soapy solution.

You can, whatever it let it dry and, and, and it'll be just good for the wife.

Just leave it in your pants pocket.

Don't tell her and she won't get pissed off, right?

There you go.

Where there's a will is a way, right?

I mean, that's right.

So happy wife, happy life, but, uh, yeah, it's, uh, I, I love our rip cords.

I, I think it does a great job.

You can even put a brush on the end of it if you want.

You can put a mop on the end of it.

You can, so, you know, you can get aggressive, uh, with it, you can run it through a couple

of times.

Uh, you know, you can even throw some, uh, CLP on it if you want.

Uh, I, I think I'd use something else other than, you know, using the CLP.

You could put a, you could put a patch at the end.

You could put a, you know, after you come through, you could put a, um, um, one of our

slot of tips and, and run the patch through, uh, either clean or, or, uh, or wet with,

uh, CLP.

So lots, lots of different uses for it.

But, uh, you know, we have it for every caliber.

Every caliber is a different color.

Uh, this is a nine millimeter, um, I've got five, five, six, five, five, six and smaller.

Hopefully, I didn't lose you.

Nope.

Can you hear me?

Okay.

Yeah.

Obviously, it's a different color, smaller diameter.

This is a little longer length because obviously it's a rifle, uh, rifle length, whereas

this is, um, actually, this, this will actually work in a PCC as well, Mr. caliber carbine.

But yeah, it's, it's a popular product for us, um, extremely effective on an absolute

need to be, uh, part of, uh, everyone's cleaning kit.

Excellent.

Yeah.

I recommended the, I used to work for Bass Pro until, um, part time until my boss made me

mad back in August and then I was like, no, I'm out of here.

Um, it's funny.

You say that?

I had, I used to work with a guy, um, in, uh, uh, sister company and, you know, I asked

him, hey, uh, Rich, when you plan on retiring, he says, well, I tell my boss, it could be

five years or five minutes, it all depends if you piss me off.

Yeah.

Yep.

So, uh, anyhow, food for thought, anyone listening to this podcast, uh, be, be, uh,

be brave and tell you boss that.

There you go.

Be prepared to walk out the door.

That's awesome.

So, um, how did the bone tool come about?

Well, um, you know, again, that was a voice of the customer, uh, type of arrangement.

I can tell you that, um, uh, there was a lot of work when that, when that came through,

you know, there was no product out there that was, it was really effective in cleaning

the, uh, BCG, uh, both carrier group and, um, there's, even though, even though there's

a mil spec, there, there is a lot of, there is a lot of variations that are out there,

uh, when you're talking about a BCG on an AR 15.

So, um, there was a lot of, a lot of sampling of various products, you know, those that were,

you know, those that led the industry at that time and fabricating primarily the BCG,

although, you know, our bone tool also, um, uh, not only cleans the bore of the BCG, but

cleans the bolt, uh, as well as the, um, um, um, firing pin, uh, the debris on the backside

of the firing pin.

So, uh, so there was a lot of, a lot of, a lot of trials and tribulations that went with

it, but, uh, you know, it's, it's still the best product out there.

I mean, there's a number of different products that are out there, um, cost wise, it beats

the hell out of, uh, leather, oh yeah, you know, so, and it's portable.

I mean, you could put in that round kit, you know, our, our, our kit that, that Mike showed

earlier, I mean, it fits right in that, right in that back.

Um, so yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty effective.

I mean, there's, again, there's, you know, the one thing about the bone tool, and again,

it's, it's really, when you're in a combat situation, you go through 500 rounds and you

start having malfunctions, the time that, you know, you want to get that thing clean

enough to shoot another 500 rounds.

Uh, the point is not really to take it to brand new condition again, because you are

going to have variations in, in machine surface profiles.

Uh, so, so it gets you back in the fight and so forth.

Um, and again, the drill sergeant isn't going to be happy with, uh, once he rubs his white

gloves on any, any part of the, of the gun, you're, you're going to be cleaning it over

and over again.

So this isn't a magic solution.

Uh, you're still going to get razzed by your, by your drill sergeant.

So, uh, but it does, it does get you back in, back in operation and it's a handy, it's

a handy tool to, to clean that debris out of the BCG and firing pen.

Now in the notes that I'd sent you, because I didn't bother looking, uh, I, I was asking

if 31 and 762, but you already offered it.

Yeah.

Now, is there a need for other, I mean, is it just simply 556 takes care of everything

in our 15 and 762 takes care of everything 308, or I mean, AR 10 or, yeah, I mean, that's

where the volume is.

I mean, I know there's lots of other calibers that are out there that are out there, but,

you know, to, the market is not big enough to, okay, to really have a different caliber.

I mean, I mean, let's face it before the bone tool, people would jam, you know, brushes

and, you know, all kinds of that, that's, that's what they're going to do on the bush

master or, yeah, you know, all the other, all the other, uh, calibers that are out there,

but, um, yeah, it's, it just doesn't make sense with the kind of low volume that, that

exists out there relative to the entire market.

Yeah.

So what's your most popular item?

Uh, I'd say the elite, I think the, uh, you know, what, what, what you held up there,

um, it's probably our, our, our greatest, you know, volume, uh, our pistol kits, you

know, a lot of people are, uh, have, have, have, uh, have been very much interested in

our pistol kits, uh, both with the cable system as well as the fixed rod.

I mean, that's one thing that fundamentally we made sure, you know, because there's a

market out there for people that love the cables and there's a market out there for people

that like solid rods.

Uh, we can't just be cable only, right?

And for many years, we were, I mean, that was, that was kind of our staple product.

Right.

So we have it all.

We have, we have, you know, 36 inch rods for, you know, precision shooters.

We have, uh, multiple piece rods for, for, um, remote cleaning of, of, uh, product,

you know, kept in a smaller pack.

We've got cable systems.

We've got, uh, we've got, uh, we have our range box, which is, uh, you know, the, uh,

you know, that's kind of our, our Mac daddy, um, that has, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, you

know, great handy little box that, um, it's like a, it's like a big toolbox type of

thing with multiple, uh, multiple, uh, compartments and so forth.

So it's, yeah, there's, there's a lot of, a lot of, I mean, we have smaller, smaller

boxes as well for, for containing and so forth, but, uh, I'd say the elite and, uh, our

pistol kits are, uh, have, have become, uh, you know, very popular for us, especially

over the last, you know, during COVID, I mean, during COVID, it, anybody that made anything

gun related, uh, there, you know, people, people would buy whatever they, whatever they

could, um, and I think that, um, you know, is that there was, there was a lot of, a lot

of new shooters, a lot, that's, that's one of the things that, uh, you know, every year

there's new shooters coming into the space and especially when, you know, COVID and some

of the, some of the violence that you saw are out there and then, and the news, a lot

of people wanted to, wanted some protection.

They wanted to make sure that, um, that they were, uh, they were had the ability to protect

themselves and, uh, both women, women and minority, uh, minorities were, you know, the fastest

growing, fastest growing segment in, in our space when it comes to firearms.

So, you know, everybody, you know, everybody, you know, we're all, second amendment is

for everybody.

That's right.

It's for all Americans, not just, you know, for a few, it's, it's for everybody.

That's our fundamental right and, uh, you know, we at Otis are strong believers of that

and, uh, and, you know, when you look at really what's gone on in the marketplace too, you

know, there is, you go back 15 years ago, you know, other than the state of Vermont that

had in their constitutional constitution, they're, they were 30 constitutional carry states

today.

Yeah.

That's more than half the country.

Mm-hmm.

You know, they, I think what, you know, what's gone, gone on since quite frankly, 2008

has, uh, really expanded the market for, uh, you know, a lot more people are interested

and, and quite frankly, it's people that are also not Republicans.

There's a lot of Democrats and, uh, independence that, you know, again, the second amendment is

there to protect everybody, not just a few of us.

Yep.

Looking at your sportsman's range box, universal gun clean kit, that is a very nice, uh,

setup for considering what you're getting with it and everything else.

And the price is reasonable.

Yeah.

I see it.

Um, well, we have to be, we have to be competitive, Paul, right?

I mean, even though it, our product, we think our products, we know our products the best.

But, you know, again, you, you know, you have to, you have to match the value with the,

with the price so that customers feel comfortable that they're getting, they're getting what

they're paying for.

Well, I like it because you can set up the gun inside the cradles and you, you got everything

there from the brushes, the, the, the, the, the jags, everything is all there.

Yep.

You know, gun grease the whole nine yards.

Yep.

Um, you know, that's nice.

I, I have one that I've put together and I guarantee you, I have a lot more money than

it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, um, yeah, it's, uh, it really is a, uh, nice handy, uh, dual cleaning kit that

you can, uh, I don't even want to call it a kit.

I want to, you know, cleaning station.

It's really like a cleaning station, right?

You could put it on your kitchen table and your wife would not get mad at you because

all of the debris would stay within, within the cleaning station, right?

Yeah.

All together.

So that's, you know, and I know I've taken up my wife's table a number of times and, you

know, she, uh, yeah, not happy, but they get over it.

She puts up with you, right, Paul?

Uh, she has put up with me for 45 years.

Oh, yeah.

God bless.

God bless.

It married 40 years by itself.

So I'm right behind you.

Yeah.

Craig, yeah, you got, uh, you know, I ain't got much then.

I got through, I got, uh, 29.

Yeah.

I got a ways to go.

There you go.

There you go.

There you go.

So, but yeah, it's, uh, the, the innovation that you guys brought in to it with your

cables type cleaning is what I was interested in because I could, uh, before I would carry

a, uh, brass weight in case I stuck a bullet in the, whatever, yeah, I've been able to

use yours to knock one out, sure, which is, you know, uh, something, uh, you know, not

cases out with it, sure, you know, so they're, you know, just, uh, doing those two things

with your cable kit is dynamite.

Yeah.

And like you said, all within a, you know, a fist size, a fist, a fist kit.

And you know, when that cable comes in through the muzzle end and it's restricted by the barrel

diameter, it's like a solid, it's like a solid run.

It is.

It is.

And it sure beats the hell out of dropping a, uh, four or five inch long brass rod down

your barrel.

Yeah.

Uh, numerous times, you know, so that's, that's what, where I like it, I mean, it's, it's

it's there.

I mean, it's, it is a, it is a superior, a superior kit to have any and all hunters should

have.

Sure.

No, I appreciate that.

Um, but you're, you're right, you're right.

That's, that's a very typical application.

Uh, yeah.

It just, nothing like it and, uh, I've got, uh, the, a couple of things, the thing that

I like is even if you have, like, I've got the kit and caboodle, but you can get the

brushes, I get the, I just picked up 12 gauge brushes and then this is, um, this was

a 10 pack kit that's, uh, 22, 30, 27, and then 40 and 45 and 35.

So, um, pretty much covers everything, although it doesn't really fit, the brushes don't

really fit well in a seven by 57.

So now I gotta go to seven millimeter brush.

So.

Yeah.

Um, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, just absolutely amazing products.

Uh, I've talked, um, the booth a couple of times at shot and, uh, uh, when the opportunity

presented itself, I'm like, oh, yeah, definitely want to be able to get you on.

Cause like I said, I've had one for, you know, almost 30 years now and love it.

Um, it's in my range bag when I go, when I go hunting, it comes out of the range bag

goes into the hunting pack.

Um, so yeah.

No, it's, and that's really what we're trying to reach out to, you know, doing podcasts

like yours and, and others and, and really just trying to reach out to, you know, all

shooters.

I mean, you know, once people develop a, uh, a, a, a protocol and they're cleaning, it's

sometimes tough to get them to change, um, but certainly, you know, new shooters that

are looking for a valid and proven, uh, approach to cleaning, um, you know, we'd like to think

that, that, that we're an obvious choice.

But, you know, we can't rest on our laurels.

We've, you know, we've got to show people, we got to do things.

We got lots of videos.

We do, um, you know, our, we, we sell, you know, to, you know, the entire supply chain

that's out there or the value chain that's out there, whether it's distributors, our

gun stores, we're, we're huge supporters of our, you know, stores that are, that are

selling our product.

We also sell it, um, you know, we have an e-commerce site as well.

So people can go to our website and order all the materials that we have.

That's where I'm at right now.

Okay.

Awesome.

So, you know, there's a lot, there's, there's, there's, there's lots of different channels.

And again, there's, there's other, you know, other brands that have been around for a

long time, but, you know, they, they made the deal with the devil where they've gone

to Asia to try to come up with lower cost approaches, but, you know, you get what you

pay for.

It's, and again, it's, you know, how many cleaning kits are you actually going to buy in

your lifetime?

Well, why not just, you know, make the investment in buying Otis and, you know, the,

the consumable components, you know, are, are a small fraction of the cost.

You just keep, keep buying them, you know, from us and, and, you know, again, we make it

easy from having our own e-commerce site.

If your local, local dealer doesn't have it, you can ask them about it and say, hey,

I really want the Otis product.

How come you don't have it, right?

But, you know, if they never do, just visit our website and, you know, we, we send it

along.

The one thing that gets me is, you know, everybody has gone.

When I started shooting, you went and bought a gun cleaning kit, and it was three rods

that you screwed together, and they were aluminum, and if anybody knows anything, you

know, what happens to aluminum it oxidizes, that's sandpaper, so that's not what you

want to go through your rifle.

So, you know, here you have a coated steel cable that is rigid when it needs to be, but

it loops up and packs nicely.

Yeah.

Oh, you know, tremendous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's coated, you know, well, my rods that I buy are coated too, my steel rods

are coated, so yeah, it makes sense.

Buying a quality kit, just what is a hunt worth to you nowadays?

If you go on a guided hunt, looking at between $3,000 and $16,000, depending upon what

you want, and you're going to trust yourself to a $16 kit.

Spend another 10 bucks and get, you know, get a good quality, right, get, get, get a notice

product.

Exactly.

You know, and that's, you know, what I say is, you know, yeah, here is what you want.

This is the way to go and the support behind it is great.

Much better than you're going to get with the, with the other companies, yeah, you know,

with, you know, with, absolutely, yeah, no, exactly.

You try, first of all, who do you call?

I mean, those other other companies don't even have a phone number that you can talk to.

You got to send them an email and maybe somebody will respond to you.

Great.

Yeah.

And I was reading in Chinese is very, I, Mandarin is not my official language.

So, yeah.

I get it.

It's much easier for me to send an email and make a phone call to somebody like you and

that is, language is English to begin with, you know, or American English.

Let's go with the right way.

Verses my Mandarin.

Yeah.

Yeah, I I a number of times every once in a while. Um, I get either a really our customer service

folks will either send me a really a really nice note email from someone or a really bad note.

And and I have responded to both. And, you know, and just, you know, number one,

thanking them if they've got a positive note that then they want to know something more. And

I'll spend 10, 15 minutes with them talking. Same thing with someone that's not happy with

the product. And, you know, it's if those all become learning opportunities, right? Those all

become, you know, maybe there's something that, that, you know, we haven't considered that

somebody is having a unique experience that that we may have to take into account. Or maybe,

maybe they're, you know, unfamiliar with exactly, you know, how to how to use the product.

So it becomes a learning opportunity and, and we shouldn't be shy to to responding to both

good and bad messages. Um, it's, you know, it's it's it's like with any product that we buy, it's

it's not just the product. It's the experience with the company and the product, right? And what,

how, how is it to deal with with Otis? We we strive to make it a very positive experience

regardless of of what the issue is and even what the final outcome is. We, you know, it's been

part of our DNA from day one. And, you know, all the folks that that work for us feel the same way.

Like I say, you speak English. Yes. Yes, sir. But that, you know, you know, your customer service

is good, you know, you ship products out quickly. And I, I visit a few gun stores every year.

And I am surprised that many do not have your product, but they have all the cheap stuff. Yeah.

And when I find it, you know, yeah, I'll, I'll go to that gun store and buy the stuff that I need.

All right. Well, we thought, you know, it's funny because, you know, the dealers, over the last

two or three years, we put a heavy, heavy emphasis on our dealer support. And we have actually

reduced the minimum buys. So that's some of the smaller gun shops can afford to stock our product.

Because, you know, they, I mean, look at all the different categories that they have to stock.

How many holsters can a gun, gun store support, right? You know, first of all, I can't

afford to have more than one brand. And then we have one brand. How many different guns are you

going to try to have, right? Same thing with cleaning products, which is why we tried to strive to

have, you know, the, the broadest range of product offering so that it's one stop shopping. You can

buy everything that you want from, from Otis or we also have our Shooters Choice product line that,

that one could, that one could have. So, yeah, that's, um, well, if the, if the store, you know,

I understand a retail shop is not, you know, as a gun store, gunsmith is not going to carry

everything that's, he has a limited dollars to, um, for inventory. Right. But the nice thing about

it is is that if he's carrying your product already, that I can walk in and say, can you get me

this? And they will. Right. Right. You know, and then I'm supporting the gun shop, supporting you,

and I'm supporting myself because I'm buying a product I know that's going to be quality.

Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Uh, do you want me to touch base? Uh, uh, let's give Barlow has a

question here. What's the best way to clean the revolver's cylinder burn marks? I'm assuming that,

what he's referring to is, um, once you're shooting the cylinder, the, the outside surfaces of

the cylinder or the frame around the cylinder is getting dirty on one of the things that, that,

we have what's called an AP brush. Let me, hold on a second. Let me grab a couple things there.

Okay. So, uh, yeah, I just, uh, good question. Yeah. I have an answer. Might as well have my

old little store here. So, so a couple of things that I would, would use. So, uh, we have what's

called an AP brush. So we have kind of three different versions. There's a soft, uh, nylon bristle

brush that you see here. That's, uh, kind of clear in color. We have a blue. This is a little dirty

because you can see I can use this. We have a stainless steel version as well as a copper version.

I didn't bring that out. Um, depending on if, if your revolver is, uh, stainless or blue,

if it's, uh, stainless, you could probably get a little more aggressive, but, uh, with, uh, you

could start off with the clear, the clear brush as far as, uh, uh, making, see if that is

sufficient to clean the bluing. Uh, you could go to the blue, uh, to the blue, which is, again,

this is a, just a stiffer, uh, plastic bristle. Um, I would, I would not use the stainless version

on a, uh, on a blue revolver. And, you know, you could use our, oh, oh, this 085 product. Um,

this is the one, uh, the CLP, uh, one stop, um, that, that could work. Uh, shooters, we also have

a shooters choice. Hold on, let me grab shooters choice product. Yeah. Rumble is working well tonight.

Yeah. If the CLP doesn't work, um, I kind of like this, uh, shooters choice, um, MC7 board cleaner.

Uh, this does a nice job, uh, in the inside of the barrel. So if, like, what are the first

things I'll do on a, on a rifle, uh, or even in my pistols is I'll, I'll take one of the, uh, patches,

make sure it's soaked with this board cleaner. And I'll run it through, run it through the barrel

and let it sit. So clean the rest of the receiver or the gun or what have you, give it some time to

kind of, uh, get at the, uh, at the, uh, the build up on, and then, and then start the cleaning

process. Does it really, really nice job on, I'm a huge fan of this. So, uh, this could, if,

if you have some stubborn stains on the revolver, that will certainly do it. The other thing we have

are what's called like 085 wipes. So this is, this is a product that, uh, you know, once you're

clean with the gun, clean the gun. Um, this is basically their, their, uh, wipes that have been soaked

with 085, um, uh, you know, just wipe the outside of it. If you're going to have the gun in the safe

for a while, you want to make sure that it's protected. That, that's definitely one thing you want to

use. Um, just so I, I know it's going to be a little off, but blue brush and revolver faces,

the cylinder face and, and up to the crane area and that, um, JB borbricht.

Okay. Does very good at cutting away the, uh, carbon, carbon, and the brush is soft enough.

We'll calm the finish. Uh, JB borbricht, it works great with a lot of things, but, um, yeah,

for revolvers, that's, that's one of the ways you clean it up. But your blue brush, wow. Yeah.

My blue brushes might go to brush unless, unless I'm really working at a, uh, at a, uh,

bolt face or, um, you know, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, face, yeah, locking

lugs, it's stuff like that, um, because it can get pretty aggressive. And the nice thing about

these brushes is it has two ends. So you get the big fat end on this side down to a nice small

skinny one on the other. So it's really popular brush, uh, that, that, that we make. And, um,

it's a bigger brush at the end than most of the ones you've been by and gives you a lot more

cleaning surface than most of the loads that everybody tries to sell you. Right. Right. Right.

Right. So good, good, uh, good question, uh, on, on the revolver. The other thing is, uh, I, I,

you know, for those of us that, uh, so I've, I'm, I'm a, I was a revolver guy when I first started

shooting back, back, back when I was 18 years old, but, um, I moved to semi-atomatics, but now I'm

back, back to the last four or five years I've been shooting revolvers as well. So I have a, uh,

Jerry McClick, uh, Smith and Wesson 929 revolver, which is an eight shot nine milliliters revolver

with moon clips. So that's, I call that my fun gun when I'm competing at, uh, open revolver,

because I use an SRO, SRO red dot on top of that 929 and it's my fun gun. But I've also shot,

my wife's gun is a, uh, TP 100 match 357, uh, that you, at the, those of us that have 357s, though,

that if you shoot too many 38s, you better clean that cylinder all the way through or you'll never

put another 357 back in there again, right? Not without a hammer. So, yeah. Yeah, uh, definitely.

Yeah, I was looking, I'm looking at one who was, uh, McClick gun, uh, Smith and Wesson.

Yeah, Smith just came out with a, uh, it's, it's gonna be a safe queen, because I think they want

3500 bucks for, uh, they've got, uh, uh, the one that he, uh, I forget the model number, but it's,

it's the same one that he, he, uh, had that 299 record of 12 shots and 299 seconds.

And they've got a nice kit, but it's 3500 bucks. I, if I buy that, it's going in the safe. I'll

never, I'll never shoot it. And I, I hate having safe queens. I shoot all my guns. Yep.

No safe queens for me. They all get shot. Exactly. So Clifford Zach, once in a, was a civilian

CLP, the same as a military CLP, as far as Otis is concerned. Well, we have a, uh, uh, uh,

yes, the two are the same. Um, you have, uh, a few different cloth options, don't you?

Well, we have a, um, I believe we have the, uh, silicone gun cloth that just came out.

Then you've got the ones with, uh, 85, yeah, looking earlier, where did I see that? There we go.

So you've got the lead cleaning hand wipes. Um, you get the micro, micro fibers.

Um, you've got the shooter's choice firearms wipes. Yeah, silicone gun cloth, uh, and then the

85 CLP wipes. Yeah. So, yeah. So, uh, that's pretty handy to have, uh, the lead cleaning handwipes

comes in a couple different option. Um, firearms wipes, the 85 comes in a couple different

options. They have the 40 count. I think we get the 40 count on the 085. Yeah. Um, and for those of you

who worry about things drying out, the lead cleaning handwipes, they've actually got, uh, 50 count

individual wrapped as well. So yeah, you always gotta be careful. It's shelf life on some of the stuff.

Yeah. And that's, uh, you know, the other thing is I mentioned this in my CCW classes, but,

you know, if it's been a while since you've cleaned your gun. So I, I carry every day.

And, you know, I change my magazines every five to eight weeks. Um, but I also make sure I clean it.

And for those that are just occasional gun users, I, but, you know, or EDC, you know, there's

debris that collects, especially if you keep it in your pocket in a sticky holster or a lot,

you know, a lot of a lot of shit will build up. Uh, you know, and I tell people, don't put

anything else in that pocket, you know, if you, if you get a gun in that pocket, that's the only

thing that goes in there and it stays in there. But there's a lot of lint and stuff that can build up.

You've got to make sure that if you want that gun to be reliable, if you need it, you want to make

sure that it's, uh, it's clean and ready to go each, each and every time. I usually take mine

of the J frame lint collector. Um, used to carry an LCE 9S and now I've got a P365 and every two

weeks, it gets broken down completely. Yeah. And you'd be amazed how much lint those things collect.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, and even, you know, I mean, I, I primarily carry appendix carry, uh,

and I always wear a polyester t-shirt, uh, behind, you know, underneath, but, you know,

during the summertime, if you're sweating, uh, that gun's going to get rusty if, you know,

that's a daily thing then. Absolutely. Absolutely. Don't leave it in the holster.

Doesn't matter what the holster is made of, but especially if it's leather. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not,

I'm not a fan of leather in appendix carry. I'm a kydex guy. Yep. Um, leather for outside the waistband

for sure. Uh, but inside the waistband, I am a kydex guy. I don't want the holster flexing.

No. Uh, in changing the amount of frictional force that takes to remove the gun.

Nope. Well, Bill, you got anything else you want to share that we haven't covered?

Um, no, I think, I think we covered a lot of topics. Um, I do, uh, you know, I do, um,

recommend, uh, you know, anyone that's listening to podcasts, uh, take a look at our,

our e-commerce site. Um, it's at OtisTech.com. Um, or see your local dealers support,

certainly support your local dealers. And, um, no, if there's any comments or questions, uh,

you know, send, send, send up email or call our customer service. And if it's something that,

they know, I'm, I'm open. I'll doors open. If, uh, there's something that you want to ask or

something that that concerns you or something you just want to tell us about, love to hear,

love to hear what's on your mind. Yeah. And make sure you vote for second amendment supporters

out there. Yes. And he does not speak Mandarin everybody. Before you run off, Bill, go look at, uh,

if you can on your computer, look at TK customs. Oh, I, uh, I have some of their products.

My mood, my mood, my mood clips are from TK customs. Uh, the custom, custom hammer that I bought

from TK customs, the, uh, the, uh, H-shot, uh, gauge that he has, right? Because after you load

into the moon clips, I pop it into his gauge. They, yeah, they're, uh, they're, they're, they're good

people. They're good people. A little bit of scratch. Oh, yeah. No, this, uh, this sport, I mean,

we all started at a certain level, but you know, we all have gone, yeah, keep buying more stuff.

Well, you know, just buy one from him and then it's all set up to go. I had, uh, I had, so my 929

stock had a nine or 10 pound trigger pull. My 929 is about five and a half to six pounds.

On a, on a revolver, you got a shoot, you got to shoot federal primers, but, but, uh,

but I'll tell you what, it's, it's a lot of fun shooting that gun. I could, if I, if I only had

the, if I, my, my, my comp, my competition gun is the M&P platform. So I've been shooting M&P's

for a number of years. I used to be a 1911 guy back back in the day, but then I went to, uh,

FN, uh, it was an FNS nine long slide. Uh, and then I just, you know, I got it to the M&P and

been really happy with it. But if I, if I was forced to have to sell every gun, but one,

I think that 929 would be the one I would keep. That's just a lot of, uh, Jerry gives us some,

the target the shoot for. So, yeah, he, he's, he's an inspiration for sure. It's a sport that has no

account. That is a lot of money getting off that site. Thankfully, I don't currently own any guns

that they make any stuff for. My, uh, only revolvers are a pair of single sixes and they have a,

EA wind a catered little two inch. That was a hell of a deal. I was looking at that for this

929320. And, uh, my wife happened to walk by and I got some choice work. I'm sure you did.

My, my, my family and I visited, uh, down in Pennsylvania, we, we went to, uh, uh, Harrisburg and

then, and then off to, uh, Gettysburg. And we spent a couple of days at Gettysburg. And on the

way back, actually, we went down to Tennessee as well. Well, I picked up a couple of black powder

guns, period black powder guns and then subsequently than the last three years bought some, uh,

reproduction black powder guns from, uh, you birdie. So, yeah. So the interest doesn't stop. It just

continues to expand. I got spoiled early on in life. I was a trap shooter on the time and, uh,

got exposed to a rot seat. I shot both of those for, uh, nice, nice. So yeah, cost of guns that was

just, uh, just part of the sport. Well, you, you've, you've convinced your wife that they're

investments, right? Just like the, the, the jewelry and the purses and the shoes that she's purchased.

Well, I purchased them all. So, yes, you have.

The best one was, uh, I ended up in Las Vegas. Uh, my wife told me to stay there so we can get

divorced. And I got on an airplane that back called my, uh, nephew, uh, works at a car dealer

and had a new car to live in. There you go. There you go. Whatever it takes an Audi A6 for about, uh,

50, 55 something. Sure. Uh, yes. So you have, you redeemed yourself, Paul. Yeah, I did.

Indeed. Good stuff. Well, I'll set my end. Uh, yeah. No, I'm glad. Listen, if you guys want to do

this again sometime, I'd be glad to, uh, absolutely. Glad to do that in, uh, any feedback that, um,

and if your listeners have that, uh, either you want to get back to me or, or just have them reach

out to us at Otis and, uh, be glad to, uh, answer any questions or any comments they may have.

Yeah, absolutely. And thank you very much for coming on. Uh, we greatly appreciate it. And

thank you for continuing to put out a great product. My pleasure. Thank you. Are you going to be at

shot? Yes, sir. Yep. Okay. I might see you there. Awesome. Look forward to it. All right. Uh,

cut your loose then. All right, gentlemen. Have a good day. Thanks you too. Thanks again.

All right. First things first to all the veterans that are out there. Happy Veterans Day.

Happy Veterans Day. Okay. Especially, uh, Jim who's not here today and Chris is, uh,

hopefully editing the last show and, uh, Chris's wife. So any of the other guys, I know we have a few

others that are out out there. Um, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your service. And thank you, Paul.

And I serve my country. My, uh, next revolver I want to get is, uh, something 327 federal.

Okay. Well, I can't figure out Smith and Wesson just launched a new revolver in 32 HR, H&R.

So what doesn't make sense to me? Why don't you chamber it in 327 Fed? Because if you change any

gun that's chambered for 327 Fed, we'll shoot 32 H&R Magnum. It'll shoot 32 Smith and Wesson long and short.

Right. So I don't understand the thought behind that. Wait. Don't have to make it as heavy.

What, what frame is it in? I don't remember. K frame, probably or J frame, but K frame,

it'll be a lot lighter. Uh, J frame. J frame. See, you can do a lot with the J frame,

you know, hanging something that big in there. Yeah, it's all about frame sizes and what you can get.

They don't make one in 327 Federal at all. Interesting. They stop making it. Okay.

They don't, uh, let's just continue, but nothing current. No, even, even in their discontinued

Smith didn't make anything. So that's probably why then. Interesting. According to AI, the 632

carry pro comp pro. They brought out the mountain gun and stainless now. Okay.

So yeah, it must have been a previous iteration. So yeah, well, Smith and Wesson model 362

carry comp pro. That was in 327 Federal bag. That was back in 2000. Henry makes a 327 Federal

lever gun. Trader arms. No, thank you. Oh, yeah, there's, uh, yeah, it used to.

Got that thing's ugly. That's 632 pro. Yeah. That thing's ugly. So Taurus makes one that's optics

ready. There you go. Anyway, all right, gang. Um, 10 man said, 10 man over on rumble said,

I need a lead cleaning jackhammer after running cowboy action 44 through a digel.

You might as well just heat the thing up to like 800 degrees and let the lead pour out of the barrel.

Man, that would be a mess. Well, they make a tool for that. The old lead ledger. Yeah,

I don't know if lead still makes it. I don't either. We're going to go find out. Yeah.

So when you're looking for lead stuff, where do you go? Titan reloading because if lead makes it

Titan carries it. Why? It's Lewis ledger. Excuse me. Lewis ledger. Yes, they do. They still make it.

I don't see it. Excuse me. Lewis ledger rifle kits at Brownells.

They go all the way up to 50 caliber. So there you go. Yeah. And they make the Lewis lead remover

handgun kits too. So there you go. And Brownells bought them out just so everybody knows.

But yeah, it used to, it had a brass screen and washers that you put in pulled it through the

forcing cones chamber through a pistol. And it would scrub the take and scrub the lead out.

Tell me how I know. Experience. Yeah. Sweet.

All righty. Well, that was a good show. It was nice to get them on and talking and

finding out about some of the history and some of the other stuff. And you know, it's really is.

It's a, yeah, it's a reasonable, complete kit product that you're looking at. You know,

even if you bought the shooter's box, I mean for $200, I mean, it's all there. Yeah.

And if you're out hunting, you can spend $50 or $60 on one of their kits.

The nice thing is if you buy the bigger ones, it comes with usually a smaller kit.

And just, you know, just for going out hunting and you can stick it in a pocket or a backpack

or whatever, it'll save your day. So the Otis Elite Universal Gun Cleaning Kit, the one that

comes with the soft side it, it's 160 bucks. It includes one of these small in there that you

can set up however you want. But it literally comes with, so it comes with basically every brush you

would need. Picks, chamber brush, it comes with that blue brush that we're showing off.

Different cables, CLP, the small, the two-inch patches and the three-inch patches,

the little orange boralite. So, and it's the bigger case, but then it's also got the smaller one

in which you can just customize to whatever you need for that trip and a way to go.

160 bucks, totally worth it. So, yeah, it comes with, let's see here, 17, 22, 22, 23, 243 to

260, 270 or 7 mil. 30 add 6, 3, you know, 30 cowl, 338, 35, 35 cowl, 38 9 millimeter cowl, 40

or 10, 40, 45, 50, 410, 28, 20, 16 and 1210. It comes with an 8, 12 and 36 inch memory flex cables,

small and large obstruction removers, knockout mud stoves, stuck casings, small t-handle and

stud included. It comes with the 223 chamber brush, pin punch and brush, straight pick,

locking lug scraper, short AP brush, double-ended AP brush and male and female rod for more

precise cleaning, lens tissue, spray and cleaner, microfiber gun cloth, chamber flag,

half ounce of shooter's choice, FP10, lubricant elite, CLP, and then it comes with a complete

tactical cleaning kit in the soft case, which is six brushes, three cables, two and three inch

patches, more of the shooter's choice, FP10 and another chamber flag. So, what I thought was the

bore light is not, it's a chamber flag, sorry, and it's no nonsense warranty. So, obviously,

brushes are a wear item and stuff like that, but so. Raggle, I think for you, that'd be fine,

yeah. I think you... Yeah, I'm on Amazon right now and I'm looking, they have an odyssey elite

gun mini kit, one size for $144 and it's got all the brushes in there, all the CLP and everything,

and plus a little packout that you can throw in your pants in your hunting pack or whatever,

and it's a nice set up, very nice set up, and you're right, I mean, for the cost, you might as

will go with a bigger kit and get the small one for basically for free. Pretty much. Yeah,

so yeah, absolutely, so. Yeah, so that was awesome to have him on. Next week, we have another guest,

so it'll be fun. In the following week, we're not on, because it's Thanksgiving week.

Lord willing, there'll be some deer hunting involved, maybe that's good. Well, I'll definitely be

out hunting. Actually, the second weekend, I'm actually going to take out a gentleman, when we were

at Guncon, there was a gentleman, his wife that we're here from Wisconsin, and he was, we were

talking and stuff and he kind of interested in getting into hunting, and he originally wasn't looking

to do it this year, because he was finishing up school, but he got school finished, and so I told him,

I said, you know, I told him there's organizations out there and there's stuff with the DNR stuff for

learning to hunt. I said, but otherwise get ahold of me, and you know, maybe we can take you out.

So, second weekend, we're going to go out on some public ground, and kind of do some stocking,

so that'll be fun. Yeah, so it's nice. Yeah, but a long time since I've been up to the

nickel-ed natural forest to go deer hunting, I'm not going all the way up there. I know. Yeah. Yeah,

yeah, see, that's one of the nice things about Wisconsin is within, well, if I want, even if I wanted

to drive say an hour, I have two five thousand plus acre public properties. Yeah, so I don't know,

we'll see what happens. If you're smart and it's wooded, you bring a chainsaw with you, you start

the chainsaw, you've got a tree down or so, you'll have all kinds of deer there. Unfortunately, the DNR

frows on that. Right, but I'm trying to talk my buddy into taking down, there's a couple of trees

he wants to take down next spring. Yeah, you know how we have to do that, right? And he goes,

no, I said with Tannerite, he goes, no. There you go. I'm like, it's spring, it's not going to

scare him, they'll be back by fall. He goes, no. Well, you wait until fall and you cut him down with a

chainsaw, deer love fresh cut, fresh cut. Oh, yeah, because it's, it's, it's snackies that they couldn't

get because they were upright too high. Yeah, so, so, Patriot patch, you know what that mean? New

patch. So we've got the Thanksgiving themed, each more pork. So, and then we've got Ryan's

original drawing, but because it's November, there's always a black Friday patch. So that is the

black Friday patch, card school. So that's always fun to see what he's going to do for, or card

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Anyway, on that note gang, shout out again to Bill for coming on tonight. Shout out to everybody

that tuned in. Shout out to my dumbass for actually getting rumble to work this week. Yay!

And keep your brush shiny.

Grandpa told me, don't listen to your mama. Violence does solve problems.

Especially when you use high exposed. My wife just sent me to Texas. Hey, you had podcasting late.

This is what the normal time we're done. You're dork. Yeah, only into it for an hour and 30 minutes

come out. I think it's for over 30 hours, like the last time we had. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Yeah. That was. So, support the second amendment. Like Bill said, vote for candidates that

support the second amendment only. If they're not, unfortunately a lot of times we're stuck with

less or two evils to figure out the one that's going to screw us. That's why Trump's in office right

now because he was one of those going to screw us at least. If you know, you know, it's very hard

to get a completely pro to a candidate to run because they don't want to deal with the bull crap.

So, but if you find candidates that are two A, get on board.

NRA is going to be sending out their rating soon. They're back to doing what they should be doing

instead of, you know, paying for Wayne's tailors. So, if you're one of those people like me that

said you're not going to support them until Wayne's gone. Well, Wayne's been gone a year and a half.

So, it's time to point it up some money.

They're starting to get some headway now with their lawsuits and everything else too.

They've been filing lawsuits and yeah, they jump back in both both feet to all that. So,

and they're looking, they're building their war chest for midterms gang.

Remember, if you send it to the normal NRA, they can't use it for that. So, if you want it to go

towards the midterms, you got to go to ILA or PVF, which is political victory fund.

Instasuit for legislative action is usually strictly lobbying, but I think that's where the lawsuits

are coming out of too. But the PVF is the part that kind of really does the grading and stuff

like that. You can go to the NRA website and find out all that stuff because they have to list

it separately and stuff. But the guy that took over for Wayne actually is doing a pretty good

job and is really focused hard on getting the NRA back to doing what the NRA should be doing.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, they're still the 800-pound gorilla.

When everybody's afraid of it's the one that the politicians especially are afraid of. So,

it's starting to get strong and it's starting to get straightened out. We just kind of need to

get back and get get behind them. And that goes for me too. So, when I get paid Friday,

I'll be buying a one-year. So, it's time. At least my opinion, if you don't want to,

that's your choice, but I'm jumping back on board. So, I'll have to some money to ILA.

Yeah. Most importantly, gang, especially as we head into the holiday season, it's dark at five

o'clock now. This is really so. And it's depressing. So, you get people that, I mean, it's seasonal,

the seasonal affection disorder or whatever it is, SAD, it's real gang. People get depressed because

it's darker longer and it's cold and it's simple and it's serious. Plus, you get around the

holidays and people are missing. There are a lot of ones that they've lost and everything else and

it's hard, especially if you're scraping by paycheck to paycheck, because you see a lot of things

that are going on sale for just dirt cheap compared to what they are normally and you want to get them.

You can't. So, I'm not saying you need to be giving people money, but check in your friends.

Check in your family. Don't take the bullshit answers. The I'm okay or I'm fine or whatever else

bullshit answers are doing. Keep an eye on them. So, and if you know somebody that's struggling,

get them in contact with Walk the Talk America. Even if you're healthy, they've got some great

resources, some surveys and tests and stuff that are good to take. So, you've got a baseline if

you're healthy, if you're doing okay. They've got tests for anxiety and depression and all sorts

other stuff that's. Check them out. If you are struggling, struggling, 988 or 1-800-273-8255.

Save the 1-800 for the landline, but otherwise 988 from a cellular device, you can also text them.

If you're a veteran in calling, hit option one and it'll get you more in line with some

services and people that are more geared towards being able to deal with the unique

situations that military veterans have to take care of. So, check up on your neighbors and friends

and everybody and be kind. Yeah, one of the things on a different kind of different subject.

I got to ask a few podcasts about doing some team meetings online and loading. Yeah, and if

people are interested in that, get a hold of, you know, leave a message through Mike or whatever.

Yeah, send us an email, reloadingpodcastgmail.com, more if you're on Discord.

Private message, Paul, or I on Discord. I want us to know. Yeah, because we would like to,

we would love to do that. I would put a, I'm working on a synopsis right now for it and I want,

you know, people to know about it and I'd like to get a lot of you live, where you can ask

questions and we can go through things and I'm looking at maybe seven shows like to go through

everything. Mike and I would love to answer questions and get people to really participate in.

Yeah, so not like a chat, but actually like live you join this, it wouldn't be the regular Tuesday night

thing. It'd be a different night. Yeah, we figured out, but like a regular leg suit loading.

Right. Where you guys can get on and ask questions. Speaking of asking questions, the only stupid

questions the one you don't ask, if you got a question, send us emails, hit us up on social media,

you know, Discord. If you want the Discord link, you got to send us an email, reloadingpodcastgmail.com,

Discord. I'm usually pretty good, usually within like five minutes of the time I get the email,

because all the podcast emails come to my phone. So yeah, like I said, you know, this is,

we're open to things. We want to try some new things. We want to get more people on and we want

to make it easier, easier and more interaction. And the more you guys participate in that, the better

our shows are. And I'll get some more audio podcast posted this week. So Thursday, I'm going

to shootin'. So the goal is to hopefully get some loads made up for the 30-30. So we'll see if

that happens or not. Otherwise, I'm just gonna shoot some other stuff. So yeah. All right gang,

on that note. Good night. Good night everybody. This podcast has been a production of the Firearms

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