Renegade Journalist UNLOADS on Moon Landing, Conspiracy Overload, & Soviet History | Elizabeth Lane

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And again, like, you know, I've heard, like I said, I've traveled a lot too.

And I think where it gets to why he thinks that way versus why a German who's like average

worker, thinks that no German is better, right?

I would argue right now, hell no, but like I'm talking about like 10, 15 years ago, right?

Again, I think the US gives you the opportunity to be that 1% if you want it to.

Well, not if you want it to, but you have the capability.

If you're a little bit sociopathic, if you're like, you know, if you've got all the right

things, like a cocktail, then you can probably get there.

Other countries cannot give you that.

And I would argue the reason they can give you that are partially our fault, too, in the US.

Well, how do you mean?

I mean, we overthrow and, you know, the democratically elected leaders, we cause chaos in the world.

Like, we are the number one terrorist of the world.

No doubt about that.

And the reason these countries are authoritarian is because they have to be.

Because otherwise, they're going to go in a coup or a baton or something like that, you know,

up there. I'm not going to talk about what happened to certain people.

But like, you know, like Kadafi or others, right?

And they know, and that's something that no one talks about.

Like, I'll give you a quick example of country of Georgia.

Country in Georgia is the most peaceful.

Like, and I can talk about it because I'm from, like, like I said, I was born in Georgia.

I know what it's about.

Look at its history and tell me if they ever try to conquer anyone, really.

Ever, oh, ever try to conquer someone.

Yeah, conquer somebody.

No, they're like, they've been conquered because the only times they won the wars.

Like, you know, they lost the wars.

I mean, these people have been through everything.

Really, it's fascinating.

Like, how they are still alive, how they managed to, like,

have the gene they had, like, this coding, right?

Like, without mixing it with that, like, it's incredible.

But here's what happened just recently.

So we are using Ukraine as a proxy, right?

Like, we are fighting through Ukraine this war with Russia so that we can,

we can Russia and the usual warmonger shit that I'm so over with, like,

over and tired.

Then we have the CIA working really hard to overthrow Georgian government,

who says, I'm not going to get into war.

It's not my war.

Leave me alone.

They threatened the Premier Minister of Georgia.

And this is like EU and the US and Brits, right?

You know, remember what happened to Fizzo?

Fizzo got shot.

Like, stay in line, bro, or you will be dead.

This is on record.

Yeah, he came out and says they threatened to kill me.

They told me, remember what happened to Fizzo?

This is a country focused on Georgia.

Like, this government is focused on Georgia.

They're like, we want to be great.

We want to do all these good things, like, you know,

reforming education, all of that.

What do you want, bro?

Like, what do you want to cause a mess there?

See, that's what we do.

That's what we did in Latin America.

Like, what, I killed Hosser Ruldov for the Ruldov for something.

You know, we go in, we overthrow people.

Like, what happened to Muzadek in Iran?

Why kill a democratically elected leader

that only wants to do good shit for his country?

What's the deal?

Well, to find good shit for his country.

Well, he wanted to nationalize stuff

that meant that it would be good for the country,

like oil and other things.

And we didn't know that.

To nationalize it?

Yeah.

I mean, that's...

So, here's what we do.

Let me explain something.

Yeah, that would be fascist.

So, when CIA goes into the countries,

they do something called...

Like, they want to do privatization of the assets, right?

And they usually put it in the hands of very few people in the country.

And the people that they can control.

They did the same thing with Saga Shrily in Georgia,

like 2003 rose revolution.

So, they own everything, right?

Well, how is that good for the country?

When it, you know, your biggest assets don't belong to people.

How is that good for the country?

I see what you're saying.

Yeah.

But the opposite doesn't necessarily...

That's not necessarily good either.

Like, I don't...

So, let me say...

Right.

Old two thoughts at the same time.

Imagine that.

Right.

I think the current Iranian regime is fucking insane.

And a disaster.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I also think we shouldn't be in any way

going out of our way to start a war and overthrow their government,

which is just playing right into the hands of the propaganda

that wouldn't then be propaganda,

because it'd be exactly what it looks like

that would make people say,

well, maybe this isn't so bad.

If you really believe that something is wrong

and I do...

Like, the Iranian people don't like their government.

I agree with them on that.

They're going to have to overthrow it themselves

or do it themselves.

Couldn't agree more.

Couldn't agree more.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say here.

But we don't allow that, though.

Here's the thing.

We don't even overthrow, per se,

the dictatorial governments.

Somehow, the record is sometimes we do.

But if you look at the record of the overstose

that we know about,

they're probably plenty.

We don't know about.

But the ones that we know about.

I mean, most of them are people

who just said,

I'm not going to be your puppet.

I'm going to do something for my country.

You might want to read a book called...

Economic.

Yes.

Yes.

That's all very young with that.

But it's true, though.

He's absolutely right.

And how do you think that goes down

in international politics?

And here's what people don't understand.

Everything you do in other countries,

backfires and comes back to you.

International policies

are very much like a boomerang

to our domestic policies.

I'll explain something.

So, foreign countries,

how do you think they will be us into action?

Like, tell me your opinion

and then we can take it from there.

Like, why do you think

why do you think that other countries

do have an effect on our Congress?

Or Shannon?

I would imagine if I'm being very broad

with my answer,

where it's economically feasible for us

to continue our ability to wield power

economically and therefore,

just in general,

around the world,

then we'll look at it

even if it's actually not going to help with that.

We just can think of ourselves as well.

So, you're saying that

like, foreign countries will help me understand.

Foreign countries will help you

to keep the power overseas.

Like, they lobby you in a way

that makes you think,

oh,

you have power over us

and we'll do whatever you want.

Is that what it is?

No, no, no, no.

Because there's a lot of different countries

that could be used as a sample for this

in different contexts.

What I'm trying is,

I want to be clear,

so the people,

I'm not convoluting people out here.

I'm saying that we

are bureaucracy

is so high on its own supply

that went in another country,

which is fucking every country

around the world at some point

asking for a favor,

minus, you know,

probably like China and Russia.

But like,

when another country comes

to us asking for a favor,

we look at it like,

fresh meat like,

oh, what can we get out of that

and how can we actually

like advance our economic interests

around the world?

Even if that's not

how it's going to end up going down.

That's what I mean.

Right.

I agree.

So I can tell you one example.

For example,

just recently again,

like,

I'm only using Georgia as an example

because I know what's going on.

It's like one of my four days.

Like my, my topics.

I can use Russia.

I can use Israel if you want.

But Israel in Palestine

was never my thing as a journalist.

So I usually stay away

even though I have pretty

strong opinions about that too.

But recently,

the country of Georgia

put up this like news article

and then they had like a,

I think, short segment

in the image TV, I think,

where they were saying

that opposition party,

which was a puppet

for the C.I.

Saga's national party,

we can talk about that too.

Like the guy is incredibly interesting.

Like the guy who was involved

in both Georgian revolution

and then I would argue

that he was a huge figure

to what happened to Ukraine,

like a big player in that too.

Now he's imprisoned, by the way,

for the crimes he did

with the C.I.

or without them, I don't care.

But anyway, so they put up an article

how these party transfers money

to a firm in the US

that lobbies,

Joe Wilson,

like to do whatever they want.

So put up,

if you can, go to my axe account

and there's an article about it.

So, and then in return,

let's-

Very your axe account is wild.

I'll read through it.

I don't need to get a shower afterwards.

So, like, I can tell you,

I put this article off.

I was like, they are so going to come

after me after this.

I don't care.

So go to articles or just go down

and it's called-

When did you post it?

It's way down.

Go down, down, down.

Like September?

Yeah, I think so.

What was the article about?

I think it's called an agent or like,

it was about Joe Wilson

and taking the money from this firm.

Hold on, it's going to be there.

They're for an agent.

Yeah, open that.

So, in here, I explain-

That's three.

Yeah, in here, I explain

how the whole thing went down.

What was the firm that got the money

and then lobbied Joe Wilson

to be like pretty much like say lies.

Like, Georgian government stopped

building Trump tower in Batumi.

What never happened?

Like, and the guy supports

the people protesting

in the streets against government.

So, people who want to overthrow the government,

he supports them

and what they do.

Which is like, they break,

I mean, they broke everything in the city.

They went in and tried to like ambush

if I correctly recall.

They tried to break into presidential residence.

And this is Joe Wilson, the same dude

who said to January 6th, people,

how dare you?

Oh, really, Joey.

Because if it's against you

that American people are coming forward,

then you don't get to protest

and you don't get to break in.

But if it's Georgia,

yeah, dude, like, go overthrow the government.

Like, this is where they fail American people.

These double standards that, yes,

we fuel revolutions.

Yes, we overthrow other leaders.

And then it backfires on us.

And that's the tragedy of this country.

We just don't get it.

And I think the only president that actually got it

was President Kennedy.

And this is why he said, no,

like, it's just not going to happen this way anymore.

Like, we're not going to be,

you know, giving power to Israel.

We're not going to be like,

overthrowing people overseas.

We're just not going to do this shit anymore.

And they killed them.

I do think it's very well established on record

that basically everyone,

ironically, with the exception of,

oh my god, what the fuck was his name?

The guy took over after Stan.

Oh, Khrushchev?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pretty much everyone in the world,

including in our own government,

hated John F. Kennedy.

And I do agree with you on many fronts

that, you know,

John F. Kennedy was a normal human.

He had his own flaws as a human,

but when it came to being a leader and an ideologue,

right, he had a lot of amazing ideas

that today would be very hard

to put him in a political box with that,

which I really like about him.

Like, he was very,

there's no doubt about it

that he was so like pro-American standards,

ironically, you know, a sion of like a family

that probably got their wealth,

real gotten gains and everything.

But like, he found the way

to kind of break away into his own lane

and talk about crazy things,

like denuclearizing the world, you know?

Or maybe we shouldn't just overthrow governments

because we can.

Right.

And these are just insane ideas, you know?

Absolutely.

And he was against the war.

He was like, he talked,

I think the first president,

I don't know, we have to check,

first and the only president

who ever mentioned security societies

and how there is no place for security societies

in a free country and free world.

Yeah.

Like, the only president.

Interesting.

Yeah.

And I think Krusha

have called him the best president

the U.S. ever had or something like that.

That's not helping his case.

But yeah, I understand that.

Krusha was crazy.

He did.

He did.

I'm saying like from propaganda perspective,

doesn't help his case.

But, you know,

Krusha and him had that famous red line

that they actually talked on.

And they actually had some sort of,

I wouldn't call it a,

I mean, I wouldn't call it a friendship,

but they had an understanding

with each other

where their relationship,

even though their politics were obviously different,

they didn't have a hatred for each other,

which, you know, that

sometimes I wonder how much that

contributed to us not

blown up the fucking world.

I agree.

And we are there right now.

And unfortunately,

you know, I don't know.

Like, see, this is, this is very interesting.

Okay.

So have you ever asked,

why are you, like,

so hostile with Russians?

Like, why?

Like, you can see it as an American thing.

Okay.

What's up with that?

Like, why can't we be friends with Russians?

Because they, they are very similar to us.

White Christians.

They want freedom.

They understand freedom.

They are very intelligent.

Like, when it gets to, you know,

development, all of that,

like, I mean, they are, they,

they were the ones who went to space.

We've faked the moon landing and all of it.

We did.

Do you think we did?

What if I told you a person who's very credible,

very credible?

I can't name the person, but I can,

I can tell you behind this is,

told me that we faked the moon landing

who was like involved in the process.

The anonymous sources thing.

I can't go with that.

Yeah, you can't, unfortunately,

I would agree with you.

Listen, listen, I'm open-minded.

I just, yeah, sometimes it does feel like

we throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Right. Right.

And because we see some things as evil

in our government,

righteously, so we then have to say,

you know what?

All of it's a lie.

There's not one thing we did.

And for me, with the moon landing,

my biggest argument against,

against people saying we never did it,

I'm not saying we definitely did,

but every country in the world,

including our closest allies.

Right.

In many cases,

would have had a reason

to try to disprove that we did that

because it was such an achievement

on the world stage

that they would have been like,

we want to do it first.

And nobody did.

I would argue that they wouldn't give a fuck.

Why wouldn't they give a fuck?

Because, because you're the moon.

For, yeah, because here's the thing.

Like, Soviets, when they went in space,

like, yeah, that was great.

Like, that was really, really great.

So, but,

why would achievement like that

be a threat to them?

In any way, really.

I mean, they can come back and say,

so what?

Good job.

You landed on the moon.

We went up in space the first,

the first dog, first human.

Like, it's a big deal walking

on another object that is not the Earth.

It is a big deal.

But I just don't see how it's a threat to them.

Like, I just don't see it.

To me, it would be great.

Like, a great piece of propaganda.

It's an amazing piece of propaganda.

Could be. I don't know.

Like, I guess I can't see them.

I might be very subjective on that

because I wouldn't be able to,

like, I would be okay,

another great achievement for human kind.

Like, this is how I would look at it.

Not that's how I would look at it, too.

But you understand that's not how the masses

that get fed. Look at it.

It could be. It could be.

It's just, yeah, it's very hard to believe

what they're showing as far as, like,

moon landing go.

And then you listen to people

who have dissected the case.

And it's like, I don't know.

But then I do trust the person that I talk to.

So, I don't know.

Like, again, I don't know.

But I think that this person is correct.

So, I don't know.

Well, that's the thing about

that I always try to check myself with

because my brain, not just the moon landing,

but with anything, my brain can go to

it's a lie about something immediately

on pretty much everything.

Because sometimes I wonder

if COVID was, obviously,

there were aspects of it that were a social experiment.

But if part of the social experiment was,

ooh, let's break people.

Let's break them one way or the other.

Truth is, either they defend everything

and say it's all real,

or they say nothing's real at all.

You go from fucking Rachel Maddow

to Candace Owens and there's no in between.

No, we between.

And so, conspiracies are very real.

There are many that have been proven.

We have one in modern history right now

that is the clearest as day thing

I've ever seen in my life in Epstein.

I just had a guy here

who tracked all the phones to the fucking island.

I mean, it's real.

There's real.

But then we have other ones

that people will claim,

and it's not real.

And what it does is, in my opinion,

is it creates noise.

So that if you believe these 10 things,

one of them is 100% real and it's bad,

the people that are in charge of that thing can go,

oh, you're going to listen to them.

Look at the other nine things they believe.

Right, exactly.

And I try to be so careful with that.

And what I like about my show,

like in doing this, is that I can have

one given issue as a perspective of you here.

And then I can have my friend David Satter here.

And you guys have some very different opinions.

You both have something in common.

You've both been on the ground over there

and seeing this stuff and understand what it is.

And you just have wildly different perspectives.

My job isn't to be like, David, you're 100% right

or Elizabeth, you're 100% right.

My job is to push back on some things,

let you talk on a lot of other stuff

and let everyone else out there kind of decide for themselves

and land there.

And I would hope that like the nuance gets infected

where they go, you know, I don't agree with David

on that, he made a terrible case.

You know what, Elizabeth, her case on this was good.

Her case on that was not good.

Maybe, you know what I mean?

And that's exactly what every

podcaster journalist talk show host should do.

Like let people decide if the case was made here.

You know, I think that's the right way to do it.

And I agree with you on a conspiracy theory stuff.

Like it's crazy.

I mean, they flat earth and these stupid stuff.

But I think that's exactly why it's there.

I think you're right.

You said something that I always say.

Like when I start investigating the case,

I look at the case and I'm like, okay, what's noise

and what's a real thing here, right?

Like that noise allows people to get like completely,

I guess they become, you know,

how do I say this?

Not lost kind of, but it's almost like delusional.

You know what I mean?

And that's exactly what search and forces I would say

would want because if you're delusional,

you're not, you know, cohesive.

You can't make right decisions.

You're absolutely all over the place.

And, you know, people are people.

There are still people who are on the opposite side of things too.

Like, for example, there are people who believe

that Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, right?

To me, they are a special case.

They should be, you know, they should be a study case somewhere.

Like it's crazy.

But, um, they bullets are magic.

I don't know if you knew that they are magic.

Of course, yeah.

They can really, we've proven that with everything.

We've proven that with Kennedy,

we've proven that with Charlie Kirk,

we've proven that with everybody, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's just that bothers me like how much misinformation

there is like when it gets to the whole like Russia,

Ukraine war and whole, you know,

in the Soviet Union itself, though.

Like that's another really like tough case.

Let's unpack that.

What's specifically, yeah, yeah.

What do you think is like the main calling cards

of like, we're wrong about this.

Everything.

Every, the whole thing, the whole thing.

So they were fascists not communist, even?

No, no, no, no, I mean, obviously they were communists.

Yeah, of course, I mean, yes, of course.

Like I'm talking about, um, they were communists.

They were authoritarian.

Okay.

But I feel like most Americans see it as like

communism is like one thing, right?

I'm sure you see it too.

If I said like, what was communism?

Like explain to me what was communist communism

in Soviet Union.

Explain Soviet Union as an American to me.

For like, you want me to do that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So we already established it was where the government

took control of all private times.

Well, well, the government, well, government.

The people in charge of the communist government.

Who?

The revolutionaries.

Okay.

Well, well, they changed multiple times.

Right.

So how many leaders of communism party

and in general, the Soviet Union do you know?

How many leaders?

Let's let's go.

So it's, so it started.

It started with the original revolutionaries.

Yeah, Lenin, yet Lenin, yet Trotsky.

Yes.

And then you went to Stalin.

Stalin started the programs.

And the whole lot of more.

And it's like, okay.

So, and then you had him till 53.

Khrushchev comes in in 53 after Khrushchev,

who the fuck was in there?

So, so you know more than most, okay?

Yeah.

So, all right.

Let's unpack that.

Okay.

So let's unpack that.

Who was Trotsky?

Where did he come from?

Like, let me, let me break this Soviet myth

for you real quick.

This Soviet myth.

Yeah.

All right, break it.

Who was Trotsky?

Where was he living before he became

this amazing revolutionary who somehow

to go down this czar?

No.

No, he ended up in Mexico.

He got shut.

He got killed.

So, who was, where was Trotsky?

You wanna know where he was?

He wasn't in Georgia, was he?

He was here in New York.

No, he's in New York.

Yes, he was here in New York.

He's in that shocking.

Not really.

You know what, really?

You know what else he was doing in New York?

So, Trotsky was in New York

and he was somehow able to have a chauffeur,

like a private driver,

refrigerator that was a luxury back in the day.

And all this like very well off,

like, you know, style items for a person

that wrote for a mini-school,

weird newspaper once in a while that no one read.

Like, doesn't that strike you all?

So, you're saying he's a communist

who lived in nice opulence.

Never heard of that before.

Yeah, well, Trotsky actually is well-documented.

Read the book, Wall Street and Wall Street Revolution

by Anthony Sutton.

And another one that did a really good documentation,

he's a name escapes me now,

but he's a Swiss historian.

So, they pretty much track where this communist came from

and overthrew Tsar,

and it was both paid and funded by the banks in the West.

So, isn't that funny?

Why would they do that?

Exactly.

See, that's the question.

I have my theories, but I don't know.

What would be your theory?

So, let's start with that.

So, this is not based in fact.

This is a Elizabeth theory.

So, let's start with facts first.

And then we can move to the theory, right?

So, Bolshevik Revolution in the Wall Street

is a great book to start reading.

And then I will remember this Swiss historian's name too.

So, these tracks, Trotsky's, I mean, it's real fact

that Trotsky was living in New York

and he was getting a salary and he had a chauffeur

and a driver and he had a refrigerator

and all of these items and the question becomes

where this guy had the money for all this stuff.

Then he goes to conduct a revolution in Russia

and he goes through Canada, he gets caught in Nova Scotia.

Again, a fact, okay?

We have documentations for it.

He gets caught in Nova Scotia with a ton of money

and they're like, where are you going?

And then all of a sudden, Canadian authorities

get a go ahead so that he can pass

and they just let him go.

So, he ends up with Lenin.

Who was Lenin and where was he living?

Do you remember?

Because he was not...

When in 1917?

Before he became revolutionary.

Before he ever entered Russia, where was he?

Because he was not living in Russia,

he was in Switzerland, right?

So, if I call it as a swedder in Switzerland,

so they send Lenin and Trotsky the same time

to Russia with ton of money, why?

Who are these people?

Why do they have so much money?

Like, they are nobody's when you look at their background, right?

And then they start investing this money

in communism and Bolshevism, right?

So, they gather like this...

Like-minded people,

they swear later on, Stalin joins them.

Like, he's a nobody in the beginning.

And that's another thing.

Like, most people don't even know who Stalin was.

And these historians in the West

that come out and blabber a bunch of shit.

And I'm like, what ground do you have?

What kind of shit do they blabber?

Like a lot of shit about Stalin

that there is not even remotely, right?

Like what?

I mean, do you want me to give you a breakdown of that?

So, for example.

Yeah, give me a breakdown

because there's, there's wellness that like,

I have no doubt.

Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, he's from Georgia.

Let me, let me, let me start with this.

I have no doubt that at no point in history

when victors have emerged.

Right.

Will you ever see something

where the story told is 100% correct?

Doesn't exist.

You guys study, I study, I study the American Revolution

like the back of my hand.

I'm very glad it happened.

I'm very glad they did it.

These guys were amazing.

They're still 10% of things

that sometimes do get written down.

Just not really talk about.

That it's like, mm, no, it was a little fucked up.

But like that's, that's war.

Exactly.

So with Stalin, I have no doubt that there could be pieces

where they're like, oh, you know,

Stalin made it rain and fucking apricot one day.

And like he didn't actually do that.

Yeah.

But we are talking about a guy who is documented.

I remember talking about this with the Violae,

who went and had him here.

He's got a great YouTube channel.

He studies this inside.

Now, we're talking about a guy who is documented

to have murdered millions and millions of people.

So I don't see any nuance with like,

oh, well, Stalin misunderstood.

No, I never said,

who was just very upset about his life.

Did you listen to what I said?

What did I say?

You said that there's been a lot of lies

and probably it's about him.

So I'm getting in.

Yes, which is true.

Right.

And what else did I say?

Do you know where Trotsky and Lenin lived?

You said, I don't know where I told you where.

This is a fact.

You can look it up.

Why don't you look it up where he lived?

Like it is a fact.

So this is where like when you talk about noise comes in.

Was Stalin a dictator?

Did he kill people?

Yeah, of course he did.

But was he everything that West told you?

He was absolutely not in what ways?

Many ways.

So let's start from here.

Do you remember the time when Stalin was uncle Joe?

Really?

He was not a murder as a dictator then when we were helping him.

Right.

Oh, okay.

Well, okay.

So what changed?

The war ended.

I see war ended.

And then we wanted all these territories that Soviets got.

And we wanted to overthrow and dismantle Russia.

And all of a sudden he became a bad guy, right?

Right.

Right.

To be fair, though, that was all propaganda.

They never liked him behind the scenes.

FDR fucking dead.

Yeah.

So of course they did because they all thought he was a problem.

Because he was absolutely against the globalist elites.

And that's the story that no one tells you.

So you don't have good guy and bad guy here.

You have bad guys.

Okay.

I understand that.

You understand what I'm saying?

You understand what I'm saying?

But this is where I got to push back on this.

I'm not made.

Put aside like Western leaders being all good.

They're not.

Right.

But we'll come back to that.

Right.

But like if Jeffrey Dahmer were against the global elites, I'm not going to sit here

and say, you know, Jeffrey was misunderstood.

No, that's not what I was saying.

Like if you were murdering millions of people.

Okay.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

So I don't know what to tell you.

So again, like millions of people, exactly how many millions, like millions of people,

I'm, first of all, the numbers are not there to support it.

That's one.

The second, you have to understand the guy to talk about him.

Like for example, if you want to talk about Jeffrey Dahmer, I personally can't talk about

Jeffrey Dahmer.

I know who he was like in history, but I don't know.

I don't understand the guy.

I can't talk about him because I don't, I haven't reviewed his case.

He was a bad guy.

Great.

So we're stalling.

And one argues that he was a bad guy, but the question is when you have bed and the

worse for humanity, like what is your choice exactly?

So let's talk about stalling.

Shall we?

What exactly do you know about stalling?

What exactly do you know?

Okay.

I mean, I've already laid out some of it.

Okay.

So where was he born?

Georgia?

Uh-huh.

Where?

I don't know what Georgia was.

Georgia.

Okay.

How long he stayed there?

What was his profession?

Like, do you know anything about the guy?

Like I don't remember.

I have studied this in the past.

Right.

So do you see?

So I don't remember what he did when he was going on.

Exactly.

So that's where, that's where I have a problem, like no one really does.

So I'm like, when I talk to people, they get so upset because they don't have the information

and I'm like, all right, we'll give it.

Let's give it.

So stalling grew up, by the way, he was not Russian in any shape and for, he was not even

slough.

He was Georgia.

He was Georgia.

Yeah.

So he was born in glory and he wanted to be a priest.

So he started as a, he, he studied to become a priest in a seminary.

So his father was super religious and he, she believed in like God and she was like,

you know, crazy religious.

She's still buried, by the way, in a pantheon, which is like only for holy people.

So in Georgia, and this is the background that people do not know about stalling.

So he, he, he is in Georgia till they like the first marriage and he has a first kid

in Georgia.

And then the wife dies because she was ill and after the pregnancy, it kind of got worse

and she ended up dying.

And this is where stalling decides, you know what, there must be no God because he was completely

and utterly in love with this woman.

And when this tragedy happens, he goes like, after this world, like there's nothing to

it.

Like, you know, I gotta go and find something else for myself because all these dreams

and stuff that he had to become a priest, he wanted to become a priest.

He was a poet, by the way, he has a whole book of poetry and all that shit written.

And in that poetry, it's so funny.

You read like the, the stuff like my little country that is not free or oppressed because

of Russia or something like that.

This is the guy who wrote this shit and then becomes the Russian call it an emperor dictator,

whatever you want to call it, right?

So all of this background is completely entrashed.

No one talks about it in the West.

It's extremely important because it determines why he did things he did later on.

Don't you think like every, every, but my childhood determines why I'm sitting here, right?

I think it's very important just like Hitler getting kicked out of art school and like

fuck those people.

Exactly.

Should let them in.

We would have saved ourselves.

Exactly.

So then something very interesting happens like this is what, like when we talk about

communism, I always ask people which communists, what era it was all very different.

And that's where they're like kind of something, there's like, you know, they get so confused

about it.

What do you mean like communists?

Okay.

Which ones?

Because they were all different.

Communism in Russia was all different according to who was in charge of them, right?

So Lenin and Trotsky, both of them were traders.

They were bought and paid by globalists.

That's why Russians hate Trotsky.

By the way, his last name was not Trotsky.

He was Bromstein.

He was a Jewish descend.

He bought the last name Trotsky to assimilate with, you know, the Slavic names in Poland and

Russia and all that.

In reality, it was Jewish.

So was Lenin.

So both of them come in.

They have Western money to conduct the revolution.

They killed the Tsar.

Do you know which Tsar they killed?

Nicholas.

Nicholas, this is the second.

Yes.

Anastasia might have left.

No.

She didn't.

She didn't unfortunately.

Do you know how they did it?

Like it was so hard.

They put them in a basement.

They fucking molded them.

Yeah.

It was so hard breaking.

And they were related to the British royal family.

Yes.

Yes.

It's very rare that someone knows that.

Yeah.

They were cousins.

And they completely abandoned the king.

They abandoned them.

Yeah.

I think they were, you know, that's why.

So there was no reason to decline him and not except the Russian royal family in England

for, you know, safe, safe house like the reason they declined him is because Nicholas

started saying shit like we need to, you know, we need this armament, we need world

peace.

That's him.

Like he believed in renaissance and all that stuff.

And you have this ginormous country like Russia with all these resources.

Do you have a leader that's pro peace and pro prosperity and pro, you know, renaissance

and all that is like, are you crazy?

And they killed the guy and brought the Bolshevik revolution.

And how we know again that he was funded by, by the Western elites because there was

a red cross mission going on, which again, you can pull up a red cross mission if you,

if you, you can find it satan details this in his book, who was in this red cross mission.

Why did it happen?

Can you explain the red cross mission?

Right.

Yeah.

So they said they needed, so people have to understand the Bolsheviks were not that powerful

force in the beginning.

Okay.

No one cared for them.

They tried like they multiple times to conduct a revolution.

They failed.

They could not conduct a revolution and turns out they needed more money.

So then red cross mission happens in, you know, in Russia.

And the red cross was like when they, like when they suggested a mission, red cross was

like, we don't need a mission in Russia.

Like why are we doing this again?

And if you look at who participated in that red cross mission, like it's all either

lawyers, like financiers, bankers, and what they were trying to do is use, use red cross

mission to funnel sheet loads of money for the Bolsheviks.

So they could finish the revolution.

That's what it was about.

None of this.

None of this part surprises me.

Yeah.

So that's what I'm saying.

Like they brought communism on Russia and then they lost the control exact same scenario

like we always do.

So you know, when they lost the control, when Stalin came in power.

So Lenin and Trotsky, Trotsky till today is considered as a trader in Russia.

Ask yourself why?

Why is he a trader?

Why not other?

Like why not Stalin?

Why not others?

Why is Trotsky a trader?

Because he worked for the globalist.

That's why he came from New York, killed their Tsar, gave bunch of gold.

By the way, what did communists do?

Remember all this Russian gold that was shipped to Europe?

Like why?

What?

They didn't want money.

They did.

It's stupid.

So what happened is Lenin's last words are anybody but Stalin.

Why?

See, that's where history goes like completely haywire, right?

So anybody but Stalin, why?

Why?

Because he wasn't in on their scheme.

Exactly.

He was a random dude from Georgia who had his own devils in the head and he was not part

of this one-world order shit and he looked at it and I think I know exactly like I

studied Stalin really well.

And I had all the right documents for it because I'm from Georgia.

I can read Russian.

I can read Georgian, you know what I mean?

So like I think I know exactly when Stalin learned that these communists, like he really

believed in it, right?

He himself.

And you can actually determine the time period when he, he learns what this shit is about

and he realizes that wait a second, Trotsky and Lenin, they are bought.

Like they are literally these puppets of the globalists and this might like whatever

is going on, it might not be real.

So this is where he actively starts to kind of take the power, right?

And he's like becoming more and more important figure.

He does really good.

He was a very good negotiator.

So every time like there was like some hard stuff to negotiate, they would send him.

This how he advanced in the ranks.

Like who was he?

Some Georgian from Gory, like are you kidding me?

Like all of a sudden, he became a very important figure.

And when he learned that this whole communism was not exactly what he thought, because again,

this why it's important to know a person's childhood.

Entire poetry of his is about fairness, about like my country being oppressed.

So all of a sudden, communism, what do they say?

Everyone's what?

Equal, equal, even though that's not true, right?

But that was the message.

So this young guy who lives because he was upset because his first wife died and leaves

the kid with his very religious, by the way, mom to raise his name was Jakob, actually,

not Jakob, but Jakob.

And he moves to Russia and all of this stuff that he always dreamed of, all of a sudden

is presented to him as communists, like communists can get you all this stuff, right?

No royalty, no oppression or nothing.

And he ends up joining the communist party.

But he ends up joining it because he believes in it.

And then he learns that hold on for a second.

Much bigger powers are at play here.

And in my opinion, and this is my personal opinion, there's no way to prove it, is that

he was, he was not okay with this one world thing that was going on, right?

Like he was like very patriotic, which he was.

So I call Stalin's patriotism as a toxic patriotism.

Like because there is such a thing as toxic patriotism, right?

When you allow everything and everything is acceptable for your country to thrive.

Like not everything is acceptable, right?

So when you kind of cross every road line to protect your country, that was Stalin.

And he was patriotic at first to Georgia and then to Russia, right, as like Soviet state,

so Soviet republic.

So when he learned that, what did Stalin do exactly?

Like when he came in power, what did he do?

He started killing who, imprisoning and then killing who, the same Bolsheviks that conducted

the revolution.

Why?

Why?

Ask yourself.

Because we in the West, to your point, look at communism as one thing, which is the equivalent

of being in the East and looking at Trump and Obama as the same exact person.

That makes no sense.

Thank you.

They're just a part of the same system.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And if I, if I, I've had so many people come up to me off camera in the past six months,

it's making me like terrified, just taking history and saying, oh, there's one thing wrong

for it.

Therefore, dump the whole thing out that it's like it is actually bothering me.

And I thought that's where you were going with him.

Oh, no.

I will agree with you.

So I apologize for jumping.

No, no, you're good.

And I will, I will agree with you that the way that things are, what's the word I'm looking

for, homogenized altogether is completely wrong.

A lot of it is just propaganda and make it simple for people to digest.

There are a lot of nuances here.

So the way you just laid out that case is actually very fair in that it's not saying like,

hey, these guys aren't evil and these guys aren't evil.

No, they all suck.

But like, here's how it happened.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So that's what, what like is lost on history and then what contributed to what you said

that every Americans like had is filled with like common is just one thing and so on is

the propaganda that followed of the globalist network against Stalin and all that because

now like two bad guys are fighting for the power, right?

So he's a toxic patriot who, who's like in his head, well, you know, what is this global

is shit going on here, right?

Like, am I going to get anything out of this?

Like is Russia going to get anything?

No.

What Russia was supposed to do is go dismantled into parts, right?

Like, how would you play Russia in this?

Like one world order.

Like we're, we're, we're Russia fits nowhere because it's, it's super complex geopolitically.

It has Muslims.

It has Christians.

It has multiple diversities like when it gets to genome and, and cultures and how they

understand themselves.

This is why Chechnya is a bomb in Russia, right?

And we're not going to go into it because that's a whole another episode, like,

Chechnya is a what?

Bomb.

It's a bomb.

Bomb.

Ready to explode.

Oh, okay.

Like, not anymore because Putin knew how to deal with it, but he was a bomb and he did,

he did explode, right?

Like, you know, when, when Chechen word the whole whole thing happened because it's a

Muslim country in the inside Russia with all these Christians and, and above the different

cultures in it, right?

So Putin deltied, dealt with it brilliantly, but again, it, it's still a threat, right?

It's still, it's, it's still very different from everything.

It's almost like having why not to divert from subject real quick, but why are we so afraid

of immigration?

It's the same principle.

Now you have like, you know, Muslims in UK, praying in entire streets and UK people are

coming out and saying, like, well, what just happened here?

What is going on?

Well, guess what?

That is a constant reality for Russians when it gets to Chechens, right?

And Russia figured out how to make friends between Christians and Muslims in a way that

both Chechen soldiers right now and Russian soldiers are fighting for Russia.

They are not fighting for, you know, Christianity or Muslim or whatever, they are fighting for

their land, which is Russia.

And they are equally putting everything they've got into it, right?

And they somehow figured this out that these, like, differences are no longer quite that

distinct anymore.

That was again, Putin.

But before that, Chechnya was a huge problem and so is many other, many other different

nationals, including Georgia, by the way, we were part of Russia as well.

So you're dealing with this complex Soviet Union entity.

And how is it going to fit in your one-world order?

And Stalin could see that, that not only it's not going to fit, they can outs me, dismantle

Russia, like what they did with Ukraine, by the way, Trotsky was the guy who was saying,

you know what?

Ukrainians have the right for self-determination.

Like, this was way before, like, anything, right?

That's where this talk started.

And then all of a sudden, like, there was propaganda against Georgians too, like, hey,

you're this ancient country, why are you okay with Russians, like being under Russians?

You should have the ambitions to get out, right?

What does that mean?

You're dismantling Russia from the inside, right?

Stalin could see that.

And it was like, no, bro, this is not going to work because that is going to result in

me getting out to that as well.

And all of these that I'm building here.

So this is, I think, where the whole thing went down, like, when the Lenin's and Stalin's,

like, you know, clash started and Stalin didn't want, Lenin didn't want Stalin to take

over.

He did it anyway.

And then what did he do, Julian, do you remember?

Like, there's a word in Georgian and Russian history, we call it the intelligence, he

started killing who?

The elites.

Why?

Because he thought they were in on it.

Thank you.

So, yeah, the entire, like, history is told in such, like, ugly way when there's like

actual, actual facts that you can, you know, look at and tell it in a right way.

Now, next thing about Stalin is, Stalin's second hand was Beria.

That was actually Georgian too.

That was Beria gets, Beria gets no limelight whatsoever, even though he was the true psychopath

of the regime.

Okay.

Beria was a psychopath.

I think Stalin's motivation was toxic patriotism.

He was writing many, many things that he did.

He was wrong in many things, but Beria was a complete psychopath.

So, and again, like, you know, take the war.

So, World War II happens.

And it's another weird thing that I could never understand.

So, who really won that war?

It's hard educated enough to know this, like I can see in our conversation that you know

the facts.

Meaning, who was most responsible for the war coming to an end?

Russia, Russia through the most bodies at it.

There's no doubt about that.

I think the way I've always looked at it is Russia through the bodies, through the military,

Britain, through the intelligence, and the United States through the push coming into

it.

Yeah.

Would it be fair to say that the biggest sacrifice was made on the Russian part?

By mathematical numbers for sure.

Absolutely.

But I mean, again, like, that's everything.

Like, what, what, what Russia didn't throw the intelligence part, or like, they just left

out on that?

No, they didn't.

No, no, they did.

I'm saying, who had the most weight of like pulling off crazy shit for each of those,

that's how I describe it.

It doesn't mean all three didn't play a role.

The United States had a lot of bodies at the problem too.

It's actually not comparable.

It's not, not, not to Russia, but they, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, let's not

do this.

Okay.

Russia lost way more people.

They lost fucking, I don't even remember the number at Stalin grad alone.

It was significant.

I'll tell you what the numbers are.

It was civilians.

It was the whole bit.

Yeah, I'll tell you what the numbers are.

But then, not to, they say, therefore, the United States lost like a million people

here.

No, no, no, not millions.

It's actually very, very simple.

Whatever, whatever it was, let's pull it up.

How many?

I can tell you, 27 million on Russian far, 200,000 on the US far, I can break this down

for you, right?

What were the, what were the United States deaths in World War II?

You might be right, I just, but that's what I'm saying.

When we start getting in the game of like discrediting all of it, 407,000, which I'll call

that close enough.

Yeah.

So exactly like 27 million, right?

But that's, that's what I'm saying, yes, Russia through significantly more bodies at the

problem.

Right.

I still took losses too, just like I don't think, yeah, but I don't think it's acceptable

to say like, oh, just six million Jews died in the Holocaust, how about the three million

polls?

Yeah, I agree.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

That's how I look at it.

Exactly.

I also like, yeah.

So again, but we remember how we started this podcast compared to what, right?

So would it be fair if we were in the same deal right now and let's say I got everything

and you got only 10% and then like, we're a very simple thing.

Let's say we invented something and I came up with 70% of it and you came up with the

rest and you came out and said, well, I'm the winner.

Like how?

I'm the inventor.

No.

I'm the inventor.

You're the helper, right?

So that's how it is.

Now you have to, this is what like people don't understand.

It does matter.

It matters because when Russians woke up one day, there was no men walking in the street

anymore, 27 million they've lost.

And what's even worse is that when this war is going on, guess what the elites in the

US are doing?

Funding Hitler.

Yes.

And there's again, there's a fact when the war was going on.

Yes, when the war was going on, they were about before the war, but when the war was going

on, do you want to even shocking thing when the US got into war, they continued funding

Hitler.

How so?

Union Bank.

Look up Union Bank and Bush, Prescott Bush.

They continued funding Hitler and the FBI had to, actually, the government issued seized

the assets of the bank under enemy of the, like, yeah, I know about that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so now think about this for a second.

So for the, for the Russians at Soviet Union, who gave up 27 million men, and then there

is this propaganda somehow equalizing the effort here, whether it's breach, who, by the way,

Churchill says, let the, let the, it's his words, let the, I can quote, exact quote, but

he said something like let the Russians do the, the groundwork, let them do the war.

Like, okay.

So, so we did do the war, right?

Like, meaning Georgia, Russia and all these, all these people, my great-grandfather died

in that war.

So like I said, it's not the same, I'm sorry, but it's not the same.

If anyone really fought that war, was Soviet Union and they lost everything for it, everything

for it.

Yes.

Britain helped.

Yes.

Allied forces helped.

US elites, not the US people.

By the way, US people were the, the most honorable in this war, not the elites.

London's funded Hitler up until the very end, until the bank had to, sorry, the government

had to seize their assets.

Like, what is that exactly?

What can I, you know what I mean?

Real quick.

Yeah.

Yes.

Prescott Bush was a scumbag.

Yes.

And yes.

Somehow it became the president.

Yes.

Yes.

Somehow.

Somehow the grandson became the president.

Exactly.

Yes.

Alan Dulles was a scumbag who spent the entire war in Burns, Switzerland, very interesting

address to have during the war.

Exactly.

So, people like that, that, that were that case.

But when we start saying and generalizing, it's the same sin as when people generalize

all Russians or something, you know, and throw it in the, who's next?

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Let me make this point.

Okay.

When you generalize that.

Right.

And you there say, you therefore say the entire United States that you are insinuating.

But hold on.

When you say the elites, all of them, they were funding Hitler.

They were funding Hitler the whole time.

Right.

It's eight, nine, nine percent of them in the United States were not.

Prescott Bush should have been put on trial for treason.

Right.

Found guilty by a jury of his peers and executed.

I don't even believe in the death penalty.

But I've made an exception right there.

I agree.

I agree.

That is one guy.

No, that's one guy.

There were a handful of other people.

Yes.

But to then make that insinuation that therefore the entire United States government, which

, which is what that argument gets to it's like a slippery slope.

No.

I know that's not what you said, but you have to understand when you say the elites that you said something like the elites

They were all funding Hitler. No, that's not the case. Okay, so Davidson

Bush and all these people are the same elites that drive the government and throw the government later

How do you think you ask the great great great question like okay?

So he's son and grandson became very how exactly if it's just one guy and all the other ones

You're so innocent like they are stupid or something like how exactly did Bush do that explain to me?

Who was at your sin? Who was Alan Dallas? Who was a real harryman? Who was a magnet?

By the way, you know who else funded Hitler every harryman a because he was a partner with Bush

So explain to me if he was just one guy

How did he get away with not going to prison and getting executed because I'll tell you something right now

If I was that one guy and I secretly funded Hitler right my country

I would like they would sleep my throat like rest of them. Why didn't they do that?

How do you powerful guy in a powerful position?

Just one guy is the powerful guy and rest of them are not yeah

There is there is a handful of them that do that and then they find their way into powerful positions and they're scum

Then we have to argue how many then and you like you can't argue

Exactly what number there is Julian because you don't know and neither do I but what I know is that

At entity that gets away while my country is in the war gets away with funding Hitler is a very damn powerful force

And is protected by very very many people up in on top because otherwise it cannot do what it does and get away

And then have a descendant two of them as the president of the United States

The descendants is a major major issue. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I think it's I think it is far more likely

that

When you have a victory like that

right the allied forces in this way and something like Hitler was stopped Japan was stopped too

You just go through years and years of everyone losing a lot of people this insane war

Everyone's on edge around the world and now it's over

What you don't want right is nuance in any way

You want to make sure that and this is the point I'm really trying to make right you want to make sure that

100% of the narrative is on your side which is exactly what I was saying 15 minutes ago when you look at any war

There's always for the victors if they were in the right overall

There's always that 10% where they did some bad shit

When you win that gets covered up. I am not saying that's right by the way

I think it's completely wrong the press got pushed was allowed to continue being pressed out

Bush I think it's wrong that his fucking sperm, but you just said the plot, right?

So how are you overthrowing the god?

They they had like the president of the United States without having a backup plan

So it's not just one guy you just mentioned the plot and

Smiddly butler named ton of them and the names were like not released. Why so who made that decision?

You're talking about banking industry who else made that decision so no

I'm sorry it was not just the one guy because one guy didn't approach a freaking general to say

Why don't we overthrow Roosevelt tomorrow and make this a Nazi dictatorship?

Okay, he's a mental case. He's gonna end up in hospital if that's one guy

He's not a one guy and that's what

Thinking that way got us here now we are under these guys

You know this better than I do because you've been in the US you grew up in the US

You know way longer than I have

So now we are under this one guy all all this like shadowy government

And we can't do shit about it because the first time they did something like that

We said oh, it's just a one guy don't pay attention to it

It was not a one guy and that's my might be it is it is absolutely in the context of the situation a handful of people like I was saying

It's not just one guy. It's actually multiple, but I'm saying when you generalize it to be like therefore the entire government was supporting

No, I said hold up you said the elites. I'm sorry

When you say the all the elites were supporting Hitler they weren't there were some that work

Yeah, I didn't say all the elites we can go back, but I said I said the elites

Which is true then the government by the way, I never count government in the elite

So let's make that distinction. Okay, so to me government is absolutely

Completely different player here really you would you would think that Donald Trump is part of the elites

I would argue he's not

Like who who's really like you can't count the government into the elites government is manipulated by the elites

I we would agree on that

But would you would you say that Donald Trump is part of the elites?

No, right? That's why we voted for him

We got him in the office to clean the house and so that this would not happen

So let's make that differentiation. We can just say elites. Okay, that's another thing that kills me elites

Okay, who I can name my sources and I can tell you the investigations I've done

Davidson's for example that never get mentioned truebie Davidson that literally single-handedly created

The navy reserve that America didn't have what the heck was truebie Davidson's job to do so

It was not but he made his job because he needed a control over military

It's a whole rabbit hole that you know

We can go down to but we can't just say much to your point just the elites

No, the government is a different entity the bankers are different and they are by the way some of them are not even American

Okay, let's start from here

So when I say that the elite forces which is true multiple not just one funded Hitler again true

They did so then now put yourself for a second

In Russian shoes for a second you lost 27 million ban against this madman

And then you find out which they know by the way

That the US elites which are bankers and the people who trained right the government and all this all this

Machine funded the this madman that killed 27 million of your people

Like to sit on that for a second how that feels

And then be pissed you would be pissed. I think I think that the same

But Elizabeth I think the same things that have happened

With propaganding with propagandizing us to believe 100% truth and stuff that is not right is now being

Throne completely in the opposite direction

Carefully and deliberately to turn us in on ourselves to assume that every now

I have a lot of problems with like the elite class obviously right right

I try to look at things on a case by case basis

So when I hear generalizations on things that make huge claims that can whether or not it's your intention or not

But that can be taken as like therefore like

The elites just in general. We're all supporting Hitler

Again, I never said all we're supporting Hitler like we we talked about this

Yeah, you said like the line was the elites the elites were supporting Hitler

Are we gonna talk about that like that was the line right? I'm not I don't like being a literalist

I don't like getting a part words and whatever

But we're living in a world now where people are suddenly like saying things like you know what actually

Hitler wasn't the bad guy in World War II is really Churchill. It's like

It's like dude dude. I'm not saying Winston Churchill is a perfect guy far from it far

We could we could certainly go down but like we can't

It it sometimes feels like we are in a vortex now post-COVID to believe the op the polar opposite on everything and it really

said the polar opposite I don't understand why is that so so one narrative is that

Hitler was the worst thing ever he was the only worst thing ever right there everyone had to kill every time

I don't know where you get this narrative. That's not my narrative. No, I'm saying the general public right now

Okay, this is not your narrative. Okay. I'm saying this is what the narrative has been in public

The world had to add to stop him and all that and anything that happened on the way there right or

Once we had to get to that point or once we had to do it was absolutely fine right that was one narrative

Right. That's not a hundred percent right. I don't agree with that right

He was a very bad guy that parts right but like there were a lot of other things that went into it by the way including

I just want to lay down just so that we can people can understand what we're coming from

The other narrative that's now forming is literally the opposite of that right and it's literally saying you know

Maybe he had a point and it's like dude

I don't know why we can't hold multiple thoughts at the same time

So I get really I and I'll admit it and I'm sure people are gonna let me know in the comments and that's absolutely fine

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