Retreat from Iran means opening the door to World War

Welcome to another edition of Triple Out reports on America Out Loud. We're here with

my good friend Jeff Nyquist talking about Iran. You may have noticed that Iran has been

in the news for the last 27 days and Jeff is a big student of international fears of history. He's

got a grasp of military strategy and military operations. It's pretty impressive and he's got

some a lot of ideas on this war. So Jeff can you just introduce yourself while I quickly get

a drink of water and then I'll ask you a couple of questions. Yeah well I'm Jeff Nyquist. I wrote

for Newsmax and World Net Daily. I wrote the origins of the fourth world war and I was trained

as a political scientist but my original interest was military history and military strategy. So I

spent a lifelong interest in mine and of course I'm always curious about the great powers and how

they prepare for war and of course I've never been one to believe that war is done that we now live

in as Francis Fukuyama said it's the end of history. I don't think so. History ends when there's no

more human beings to fight with each other. As long as we're here on the planet there's going to be

wars and that's just the way it is and the major powers are always struggling over priority and over

control of land, resources, even just for thumping their chest to prove that they're stronger

to back down the other side. So this has always been part of human history. It may be unpleasant

people may want to believe in peace but war is really what fills up history. The Romans had the

temple of Janice and the doors. The doors would be open when there was war and they would be closed

when there wasn't and the temple of Janice the doors were almost always open because wars

are almost always happening. So it's kind of where we are and of course if you say there's not

going to be a war between Russia and America or Russia and China or Russia and Iran you're probably

wrong. There's going to be a war between these powers and then there's blocks of countries that

are with each other against other blocks of countries. This is another aspect. So this is what we're

looking at. The war in Iran and the war in Ukraine are both connected because similar sets of

actors are on each side and opposed in their interests and their form of government, their ideology,

there's deep connections here in all these areas. Although many people can't see it because

Russia has pretended to be a Christian, pretended to be a nationalist. Russia really is very

socialist and it's back to the USSR. We can see they're heading in the direction of North Korea

and of course Iran is a totalitarian state as well. So this is kind of the division of the

world between the free countries and dictatorships. This really is the evil access of Ronald Reagan

isn't it? It never died. The Soviet Union went into retreat. It's now Russia but it has a very

similar foreign policy to the old Soviet Union. It has the same allies. It's fighting a war in

Europe. It's at least encouraging a war in Israel with Hamas against Israel and it's key ally

Iran is fighting a major war in the Middle East right now. But it all comes back to Russia,

doesn't it? Every road seems to lead back to Moscow in this enterprise.

You know people don't understand power and there's a difference between money, power, financial

power, industrial power, military power. There's relationships between these things but America has

become gone from being the world's number one industrial power and financial power

and technological power to being the number one technological and in financial power. We've lost

that industry thing and China has picked up the industrial power and has the largest military

in the world and Russia has the most advanced missiles in the world. We don't have hypersonic

missiles like Russia has and Russia and Ukraine have developed drone warfare to a fine art and

apparently the Iranians have now too. Something I learned today because the Hezbollah was

destroying Israeli tanks with drones now in Lebanon. So this is a key point I heard you talking

the other day Jeff you're saying that to liberate Iran there is going to have to be boots on the

ground. Now the problem is if Iran is as good with drones as the Ukrainians now are and probably

the Russians are if they have developed that technology that could be a disaster for America could

it not. It's high casualties I mean I don't think anybody is as good as the Ukrainians but if

there is good as the Russians and the Russians do use drones and they've developed some sophistication

on their own because I think in a way the Iranians as a culture and as a people are possibly more

sophisticated than the Russians or the Chinese they may be more capable in some respects. They're

smaller they're only 93 million people but still Nazi Germany was only about 80 million.

Well it's still twice what a crane has isn't it? Yeah it's more than twice Ukraine's population so

the possibilities here are very we have to be careful because you know the Russians are losing

around a thousand men a day and 800 of those are from drones. Imagine drones killing 800 of

your servicemen a day. How long could the United States put up with that level of loss?

Yeah it's hard to imagine it's hard to imagine the political will to do it in election year is not

very good. Yeah there's no way Americans don't have that political will. I don't think

the Russians it's part of their culture historically I mean they lost depending on which

historians somewhere between 25 and 35 million men they lost in World War Two and they were in

fact running out of man even though the Soviet Union had the one of the largest populations in the

world they were using women as snipers tank drivers and night bomber pilots so this so difficult

was it for them to get their hold on man after they were had the heavy losses but they they were

able the Germans wrote about the Russians they couldn't believe the Russians ability to continue to

attack despite being wiped out by the thousands in their attacks they would just keep coming the

Germans literally would run out of ammunition and have to retreat because they just they didn't

have the means to kill they would have to run and finally when the battle of Berlin their flanks

caved in because they didn't have the ammunition to stop the numbers that were coming at them and

and of course the Russians are using these same tactics as as horrible as they are against

Ukraine mass human wave assaults clearing minefields with their feet absorbing drone hits oh

this this 60 year old man who was sent to the front without training is just there to take a drone

you know a drone cost between 2500 and 5000 dollars and how much does the man cost well you

won't have to pay his pension right and there's a criminal they recruit to take a drone hit

well we're paying for him to be in prison let's just see if he if he takes the drone hit we we

kind of get rid of parts of our population the Russians would say in order to absorb these drones

meanwhile the real military training is going on in Russia to their more able people the citizens

they want to keep i think that's what's going on in Russia and i think you know so so you said

this before that that we're not really seeing the cream of the Russian military fighting in

Ukraine are we we know there are large numbers of Russian troops in Belarus there being this since

that you know for some time some of them and we have a bit of a false and I a bit of a false idea

of the power of the Russian military was seen it degraded and slaughtered the troops slaughtered

in Ukraine but I don't really think that's a false strength of the Russian military do you

i'm skeptical that it is because we know there's better parts of it look there's there's like a

couple divisions of troops on that front that seem to be well led and doing what we understand

from the operational art of war but most of the other brigades and units that are on the front

in in on the Russian side are made up of these conscripts and people that are living in miserable

conditions and people that are just being used up and it's almost like they decided to turn

the war into a giant war game to test new methods and new techniques of waging war you'll notice

that they kept their armada tanks out of the war and what one of the first things they threw in

all the old Cold War tanks and used them up well these were you know T62s T72s T80s these they

didn't mind losing these tanks because they were a lot of them are rust buckets anyway and

they discovered how weak they were and and so what what did they lost in the first

three four years of the war they lost 10,000 tanks you know something like 40 something thousand

trucks I mean that a lot of them taken out by drones meanwhile the Russians were using fiber

optics cable to launch drones it couldn't be jammed they were doing their own experiments with

their own warfare while the Ukrainians were experimenting on them and they were learning this new

method of warfare and the Chinese have teams in Ukraine and there's Chinese soldiers fighting in

Russian uniform there and they're also learning and the North Koreans are their learning

but how many of of the NATO people are learning right now for the first time in the last few

months the Ukrainian teams have gone and conducted exercises with NATO to test the ability of

Ukrainian teams to attack NATO with drones and NATO has had its clock cleaned in these exercises both

naval and land they found that the Ukrainian drones beat NATO every time so if it was NATO against

Ukraine Ukraine would beat NATO now the Russians who are behind the Ukrainians still are have been in

this game for four years plus and they've developed drone warfare we don't know how much and we

don't know if they're sandbagging how much are the Russians holding back because they don't want

to show their capability to the west and this is the other question why is Russia building nine now

the Dutch released the news Johnny Anderson and and Lee Wheelbarker they found what was it 78 new

encampments on the NATO border Russian encampments and the Dutch announced the other day that there's

actually 94 Russian new encampments that means they're mobilizing they're going to be sending

troops what's that new ones yeah brand new encampments so the Russians are mobilizing is this

in Manian Belarus or where they're allowing the Finnish border in the Baltic states borders

and of course the there's been a another mobilization under Lukashenko who's in North Korea now

meeting with little nuclear rocket pills dairy bowl doughboy over there he's he's there but he's

done a mobilization again the there's a troop buildup by the Belarusian military and they're

busy training their man intensively to make sure that they're in better shape than the troops that

they send in without training to die in Ukraine that's suspicious in itself and in in troubling and of

course the the the real target of Russia Russia really wants to take down the US and force

NATO to capitulate strategically so how does your mobilization your art of war get you there

I think Iran now you started asking me about that I think that is a key piece in the puzzle of

their strategy so okay so we're we're all thinking okay President Trump's sick of Iranian

ultimatums and and whatever and decided to take them out and you know a lot of people I thought

think thought the Iranian regime would catch it would collapse in a week and a bit like you

know Putin allegedly thought that Ukraine would collapse in a week but that they're not they're not

they're not haven't collapsed and we and we thought maybe there'd be an uprising of the

been three uprising so far and none of them have succeeded and we thought I think people thought of

Trump goes in this time and bombs the heck out of their military the people will take the signal

and rise up so that hasn't happened so so how does this how is this part of Russian strategy do you

think well I think the Russians if you look at Iran and you look at the massive underground tunnel

systems tunneled out mountains rocket launchers bunkers with drones and rocket launchers in them

if you look at this and then the the the fast boats along the coast with the mines and the

underwater drones if you look at this development which has been going on for you know probably

more than 30 years I mean they were having putting silkworm missiles in there from China over

30 years ago those are surface to surface missiles of that time that Iran had I think this is they've

been working on this strategy a long time and here's what their strategy always has been it isn't

like Iran's going to invade Israel or Saudi Arabia or the middle or any of the other Middle East

Iran is a huge country in its own right right it's much bigger than Iraq it has you know

much more popular many times the population of Iraq and but Russian China have built this into a

fortress Iran sits directly over the most sensitive waterway in the world the Persian Gulf

and the straight of Hormuz and so you've got oil tankers that go through there that pick up the

oil for Japan South Korea Australia and Europe largely and a lot of third world countries go

through there every day and then those countries those oil rich countries which you know Saudi Arabia

can support like 3 million people but they got 37 million they're working in that industry

the desert can only support 3 million in terms of water so they have desalination plants

to make the water that can support that many people and they have to bring in food because they

don't have the arable land to feed those people they have to feed them from food sources outside

same thing with the UAE and Bahrain and Qatar all these countries have the same you know they're

desert they're just really flat out desert they can't support that many people but the oil has

made it so they're supported now the straight of Hormuz is not only for carrying oil out but for

carrying supplies and food in to those now over populated countries those those Gulf states those

oil countries and they perform the work of the western world supporting the western world with

20% of the world's oil supply but really it's more than that percentage of the oil that Japan

and Europe and and Korea use and these are our military allies against Russia and China that

depend on this and what happened you know Trump claims that he thought everything through everything

was thought through when he went into this attack and they said it was going to be three four

weeks maybe five weeks later on it was going to take for this war and they they were going to

going to change the regime initially but now they don't talk about that anymore because the regime

it was going to fall it would have fallen when they decapitated at the beginning that was when

it was at its weakest right when the confusion of the first strikes but it didn't happen it didn't

decapitate and you've got this powerful you know 150,000 a revolutionary guard corps plus another

40,000 of these militia police you know fanatics and then you've got the regular army of 300,000

and the the hope would be the regular army would turn and join the people but that hasn't happened

why hasn't it happened because they adopted the same organizational strategies that were taught

to them by the Russians and the Chinese and that is Leninist institutions you put your secret police

in the army in every unit of the army has the agents of the Iranian secret police and in the

officer corps you have indoctrination and you're watching these officers very carefully they're

going to be the most watched distrusted people in the country because they're the people with the

most guns they have more guns than the than the IRCG but the IRCG has better weapons better training

and the IRCG is not molded out by the gut well it is it is really the regime right and not only that

the IRCG controls major elements of the economy and the black market economy they thrive off of that

because it's really a socialist system and of course so everybody gets paid off and they so they

have big bonuses and big cash payouts for those for their loyalty so not only do they believe but

they get good benefits for believing in the cause so this is how the regimes organized and it's

like all of these regimes it's highly bureaucratically organized and they are able to replace their

leadership just like we have leaders standing by in bunkers they're not going to suffer decapitation

none of these you know all these communist regimes ever since 2020 the word went out from

Russia and China that war was coming with the United States and I got this from an intelligence

source in 2020 a message went out we're gonna there's going to be an escalating series of crisis

in wars leading to thunderous war against America so you have to keep a portion of your leadership

in nuclear underground bunkers at all times because the Americans could lash out and wipe out your

leaders so you must do this this is what people were told in Hanoi and Pyongyang in in in Havana

right this is what they were told and and it's because they're really gearing up for taking us on

as crazy as that sounds but it's not really so crazy when you look at how they've prepared

and it's not just preparations in Iran to to cut off the oil let's talk about the meaning of

that oil being cut off you see the the price of oil if it one of the calculations is over $200

a barrel if this thing stays shut and and and Neil Ferguson the the British economic historian who

wrote the history of money and a lot of other great books on economics and economic history wrote

the history of the Rothschilds for example he said in a podcast and he's he's of course with the

um with the Hoover Institute as well he's a fellow there he said that if this goes on through April

you're gonna have major economic dislocations and already the treasury has said we're gonna

have inflation because because the price of oil going up and they hit on the petrodollar

here's what you remain what the Iranians are doing they're allowing Chinese ships and ships

that trade in Chinese currency to come in and load up and and buy and sell in the Gulf they're not

allowing ships that buy and sell and trade in dollars that is so it's like they're laying siege to

the Gulf states in Saudi Arabia and saying well if you want to sell your oil and you want to pay

your people and you want to keep you 37 million fed in Saudi Arabia you have to start trading in

Chinese currency well what does that do when you're holding hundreds of millions or trillions

hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars petrodollars and you can't spend them I mean you

can spend them but you can't earn more you have to you have to trade them in for Chinese money

because that's what the Iranians are saying you can only do you know the the Chinese currency that

will that's an attack on the dollar yeah yeah yeah so it's not only that they've cut the oil off

from our allies and are seriously affecting our allies economies and by the way Trump did not

consult Japan he didn't consult our allies in Europe before he went off and did this

and and he he didn't properly consult the the the Gulf states they wanted to be neutral they

were initially saying you can't use our airspace we want to be neutral but the Iranians struck them

anyway and everybody said oh it's a terrible mistake they're they're striking these innocent

countries no no it was well calculated because by striking those countries there those countries are

the oil supply of the west it was in it Iran's response was to attack the west why well they're

aligned with Russia and China it's part of this larger game and of course who benefits first

the Chinese benefit because then they can export their inflation and they replace the petrodollar

and the Russians then the oil price goes up and the embargoes lifted from the Russians because

people are so desperate for oil so the Russians end up making ten billion dollars a week extra it

bails the Russian financial economy and then it that who takes the hit our allies and we do

right when the allies are when the western lights is pretty fractionated anyway

you know over the crane war over Israel all sorts of things like that over NATO

so did did okay so the scenario presented as Trump was told that the the Iranians about to produce

weapons there are little way away and they were going to use them and they're basically told the

US to take a hike and so the scenarios you know we're told Trump really had no choice he had to move

do you think this was a bait do you think this was a trap? I do I do I think they used the the WMD

thing was the thing that that partly causes to go into Iraq Saddam had used poison gas he was

always trying to develop a bomb so there was concern because he was kind of a crazy man but these

crazy men are useful because they can get a get our backup and get us to come in and get involved

in a war and what do the Russians and Chinese want if they want to have more power in their

region relative they'd like to see the US military pin down in the Middle East

and pin down in a way that we're really not our weapons and our tools aren't sufficient to

open the state of Hormuz if you see the even if we destroyed every drone factory in Iran and it's

difficult to imagine with all the underground sites that there aren't underground factories but

even then you have the Russians shipping large numbers of drones to Iran over the Caspian sea

and in fact the Israelis have even struck these it's the other day they sank five of these ships

carrying drones into Iran but there's trucks moving drones from Tajikistan the

Iranians have drone factories there in central Asia and the Chinese have drone factories and you

can see in central Asia lines of 18 wheelers coming across central Asia into Iran they're never

going to run out of drones and they're going to be able to to continue to send drones against the

the ships that they don't like going into this Persian Gulf okay we need to call a break here

Jeff and we'll come back straight after this and I want to develop that point further and then

talk about how they he what what do we do now what what should Trump do okay so we'll call

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welcome back to america out loud trip level what's okay so Jeff you're

planting a bit of a dye scenario here so trumps walked into this

and you know I was very rare rare I want to see around taking down I want to see regime change

those very little talk of that now just like this not really much talk of regime change in

Venezuela and you wonder why they actually do these things unless they actually going to change

regime so so america has gone into this war nobody else is helping but Russia and nobody's

helping america but israel is israel in america but europe's not helping but russia and china

are definitely helping and and other countries are helping Iran with supplies of weapons so what

is the way forward so we're so we're in the we're in the in the trap so to speak is there a way

forward what would happen if america withdrew should america just keep going put boots on the

ground whatever is necessary to finish off the Iranian regime and call a bluff basically

it wouldn't be a good trap if we could get out of it easy and that's that's why it was so well

thought out and everything we see was well thought out I mean the united states has many options

we need to support Ukraine massively because the russians are involved in this the russians have

been supporting this plan uh there's no doubt of it and um we have to be careful now uh you know

there may be somebody clever can develop a new technology they can they can make the straight

free of drones but Lloyd's of London and these these ship insurers they won't insure a tanker

to go into the gulf because the the the danger of being hit by drones and catching fire

and and and you know being a burnt out hulk they're floating on the ocean is is very serious

oil is ignites and um and these ships there's no real way to stop a drone yet I mean you see

the russian oil storage areas around promorskin and st. Petersburg have been hit for the last three

nights or so I think they're being hit right now as we're speaking again a fourth night um and

they're just burning they've been burning for days uh oil is very vulnerable and um and I think

that uh the problem here is that uh we don't have a solution yet we went into the war without it

so then the thing is how do we get the Iranian people to rise up well they don't have weapons

they will be massacred by the IRCG and their their radical militias so that is not going to work

and decapitation didn't work and now we're we're bombing all sorts of things we've bombed you know

I think 7,000 targets look we dropped 7.5 million tons of bombs on uh north north Vietnam

Cambodia allows during the Vietnam war and we lost the war because they had the Ho Chi Minh trail

and they were able to flank us continuously and uh they were able to uh demoralize the american

public uh with with the frustrating thing that if we didn't go into the north if we didn't

go into Cambodia they they they really went after Nixon for going into Cambodia and Laos

they uh they just wasn't possible to win we had to actually take the word of the communist to win

and the public opinion in the US wouldn't do it wouldn't go for it and you know president Johnson

and maybe president Nixon were afraid of World War III if we did that now in in Iran we have a

similar problem our army is much smaller than it was during Vietnam and Iran is a lot bigger country

in terms of population the Vietnam uh in in size and population and sophistication um and the weapons

are different um it it seems if the reports from Lebanon are true about the Hezbollah using drones

to knock out tanks it's going to be very difficult for us to advance on the ground in Iran

and uh even taking karg island could be very costly if the Iranians are prepared

um this may be a solution to the problem because 90% of Iran's oil comes through there but it

doesn't solve the problem of keeping the straits open uh trump may call the uh the the sailors

in the oil tankers cowards for not braving the drones but it's not up to them it's up to the

insurance companies and the owners and nobody's going to risk something that expensive uh to to these

drones so um and then there's the other problem is that trump initiated the war with only about

one-third support among the American people i think about two-thirds are not liking this war

weren't really for it he's got a vice president who doesn't seem to be for it is a director of

national intelligence doesn't seem tosy gabbert doesn't seem to be for it well they're both for

the both for anything that russia will like likes right so even trump's and trump's mega supporters

are not a hundred percent behind this uh i think a lot of republicans mainstream republicans

are thinking well we have to deal with this someday uh but everyone's kind of dismayed at how poorly

thought out this has been or or soon they will recognize this um but the the thing that has to

happen is the american people have to understand that everything is on the line here this is the

most important waterway in the world to us all this propaganda about oh uh Washington's run by the

Jews and it was the Jews that got us into this and it's you know all this anti-semitism that has

nothing to do with it the Jews aren't the significant thing about the middle east it's this oil

that's significant and it has to be if we can't protect the straight uh then the dollar is

you know our credibility as a defender of the west is gone and and we would like britain pull out

of the the middle east uh abandon our bases and that would leave the region to the control of

China in Iran in Russia which would which would then destroy the dollar yes the dollar would be

absolutely worthless at that point because there's we've been in exporting our inflation for

decades ever since Bretton Woods ever since nixon took us off the partial gold standard and and

what has been backing the u.s currency is u.s aircraft carriers protecting the world trade

especially this oil trade and so if you if the america no longer performs that function no one

has any reason to take dollars and if they don't get export our inflation which means the inflation

all those dollars being used to trade overseas come home and what does that do it's invested in the

stock market or real estate which causes a huge bubble in the stock market or real estate or in gold

and then that bubble bursts and then what happens well so this has always been migrant people say look

you know america's been carrying the load for everybody around the world but it's been a bit of a

quid pro quo because yes you know um NATO countries haven't really been paying their fair share

of the bills but they've been taking american dollars and having their savings depleted every single

year we've been taxing them and so you know america has been and they were willing to put up with

that as long as america protects them and keeps the trade routes open so why would they do that if

america can't do that yeah it would be it would be tough you know and there's the fact that we

basically possessed this the really advanced systems that integrate with the local defenses of

the various countries are allies Australia Europe Japan and so on they need us and they don't want

to have to pay for the technological developments and have to keep up as little countries they would

find it difficult it's better for us to specialize this is why americans and it's hard to explain

this to americans you live well because of our aircraft carriers and our big military that's

why you live well you take that away and your standard of living is not going to be that good

that's exactly right and this is what gets me about all these america firsts peace nicks

anti-nato types isolationists they think but they think that the US military is a drain on their

lifestyle they think by cutting back the military this we're going to be more gunny money to spend

well now the reasons yeah the US military is the great provider in this and and of course it's hard

to estimate exporting our inflation we produce people say we have a trade imbalance no they produce

all these other things that we consume and we produce dollars that they use to trade with and we

protect the trade that's really how it worked and you know i had a friend who was close to one of the

else the last conservative prime minister of australia he was close to one of his economic advisors

and i asked him i said what what does he say about this arrangement and how australians view it

at the top of the australian political system and and he came back and he said even the left

in australia recognize that um they need the america military or they get gallbled by china

now i'm sure the chinese agents on the left don't really care that much but sensible people sensible

australians realize yeah without america they can't they're not going to survive in a war with china

no they're not and just like i i know like if america wasn't there china wouldn't have to invade

New Zealand they just phone phone up the prime minister and say look uh we want to settle

half a million people a year in your country we want three military bases in your country

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and fall access the Antarctica and our prime minister would say

would say yes sir that's right yeah i think you've got the scenario correctly and uh so so i think

realistically people understand this i think uh canada's a special case because they targeted

canada for um infiltration the sidewinder report so there's a lot of chinese uh you know more than

half the immigration into canada over the last uh almost 30 years has been from china

and they do it through via hankong a lot of it and and of course there's a commonwealth

hankong's a commonwealth was a commonwealth territory for a long time and of course so is canada

so is australian new zeland for that matter so uh this was their way in and they saw canada as the

backdoor to the us they chinese are all over mexico developing the ports building extra railroad

tracks developing the ports by the way above what would be needed for mexican trade

it's very interesting in fact they've made up this story that they're developing the ports as

an alternative to the panamokanel you know build the rail lines build the ports so with the panamokanel

can't carry the traffic well mexico can carry it but there's another reason for building up mexico

and it's that if the chinese land an army in north america that's their supply base

yeah yeah exactly and they intend fully intend to do that just one point i'd like to raise to us

that on the islamic front you know like like if america doesn't finish this war

every muslim shea muslim every jihadi every terrace around the world is going to look and think

god truly is on our side the americans through everything they could at the mullis and we're still

standing truly Allah is with us and that's going to encourage every jihadi on the planet

whereas if america takes down the mullis and has a new regime that's going to be a huge

discouragement to the jihadi movement i would have thought absolutely and it's also if that happens

it would it would be a huge hit on russian china if they lost iran so this is this is this is

this is what i want to get at jif and you you talked about this other day now that america's in the war

it has to win both from the islamic side of things from every reason because you know they're

the dollar the the the damage it would do to russia and china the damage it would do to the jihadi

movement the encouragement it would give to the free nations of the world to finally see the

islamic republic replaced by a western friendly regime do you see the stakes in that starker terms

that we we really have to win this now absolutely i'm afraid that if we retreat from this and that

may happen it will be a strategic defeat that will lead to more defeats and that will open the

door to this kind of world war scenario that russia and china have been fishing for that that

could carry it on where they look and say all right now it's practical to move ahead with

their mobilizations to move on tywan to move on alaska to move on latin america in a much bigger

way and to put direct military pressure on the united states where suddenly the war is starting to

erupt in the caribbean on the border with mexico imagine there imagine if there are ten thousand

drones in cuba and that they can reach all the way to cleveland and washington dc then it's not

just a drone war between uh ukraine and russia where infrastructure is being hit on both sides

every day it's now happening to the united states it's truly horrifying isn't it but it's it's

very credible you know it's very possible yes it's we think of ourselves as invulnerable but we're

not this is look people look at the map mexico is really with china and russia

cuba is a satellite of china and russia venezuela is a huge communist country

down in south america probably with ballistic missiles in that mountain next to the base where we

we took um president maduro kidnapped him from us has tremendous capabilities

but stopping drones and fighting ground war with drones is not something we've learned yet

no it isn't and you can imagine you know mexico would do the florida to to you know there's

several major military installations in florida they'll be an easy reach easy easy so okay so

america's got a win the big problem here is america probably has the has the has the ability to win

but the political considerations are a major factor yes how can president trump convince people to

win and first of all how can president trump convince himself to win and how can america if the

political will was there we have to win how would it be done how would you do if you were

if you were the commander achieve how would you finish this war on our terms well i would

immediately go in with you Ukrainians big time and i would promise to give them all kinds of help

if they would teach the u.s military their techniques and drone warfare and if we could get this

innovation going ourselves and learn how this kind of warfare is fought and develop adi drone

systems and technologies there has been some efforts in this direction but they're not nearly

serious enough or urgent enough and and of course there's there's talk about laser technologies

and whatnot but we need to step this up and of course you have to talk honestly to the american

people you can't say oh everything's fine the war's going to be over in ten days or two weeks or

whatever and say well we might leave if we don't you know we've done our job we might leave

we've really done everything no you can't talk like that you have to talk like winston

Churchill and you have to lay it on the line and you have to say look people this is the most

important strategic position on the map for us and our allies our allies are dependent on this

and if our enemies control it our enemies would control the the life blood of europe in japan

they wouldn't be able to remain our allies they would be able to turn them and if we can't open

the straits the Arab countries will wither those Arab oil countries will wither they will

they they will not be able to survive either so we've got these important allies that have made

our beautiful life in the west possible our advanced technology our prosperity if we want to

defend our prosperity we have to be willing to fight and die for it and it and by the way it's not

really we shouldn't be fighting for prosperity because prosperity is really a byproduct of fighting

for freedom yes and the Iranian people are our natural allies we should want to free them

we should want to see Ukraine safe and and free we we would want to see new governments in

china and russian of course pressing on that you know they have nuclear weapons so we can't really

push for their them falling we have to realize we have a nuclear standoff and we need to have an

increased nuclear deterrent and and this might take a while and you see if the problem trump has

that i wouldn't have had is i don't believe in starting wars i believe very much in what out of

on bismarks said he said starting a preemptive war is like committing suicide for fear of death

you're afraid that a war is going to are up there so you're going to start it yourself

they might have nukes they could nuke you once you start the war but now you're the one who started it

this is bismarks kind of argument and it's it's extremely correct and somehow we've been tricked into

being the aggressor here the one that attacked the one that i hate to say this it hurts me

a perfidious attack we trump said there was a deadline what was it march first we attack on

the twenty-eighth when they think they have two more days of grace and and we give the coordinates

to the Israelis who drop thirty bombs on communists compound and kill them in forty other leaders

i'm sorry in any book that i've ever read that's perfidy that's treachery

and so this is not i mean we have to deal honorably even with our enemies

um we have to keep our word and the president can't lie this is the number one thing this is what

just only makes it worse because the truth will come out and it will be known by everybody and

this is the thing the democrats are already saying they're going to impeach trump and vans and

bondy right the attorney general i think they definitely will impeach trump and i think there's a good

chance that the republicans in the senate will convict him after the catastrophe that we're going to

pass through if if we're not in a pink panther movie okay if we're in a pink panther movie

trump is clue so and he always falls up right whatever screw up it always comes out nice for him

now it would be wonderful if reality worked that way and for trump sometimes it has strangely

but i don't i want somebody to try to explain it to me realistically how this happens

now john mojure a military analyst i really respect his books are fantastic uh he wrote um

death ride hitler versus stall in the best book i overall book on the russian front and world war two

and he and his latest column on iran he says iran is finished because he thinks the precision

weapons will allow a level of destruction against iran that they will be forced to give up

now i don't he hasn't changed his mind on this and i'm interested he he made arguments that weren't

persuasive to me because look it's never happened in history even when qaddafi fell by bombing

there were rebels in his country there were ground forces opposed to him to exploit those

air strikes so in in in less those ground forces changed sides like they did in libya i don't see

it happening and i need somebody to explain to me what's the difference between seven point five

million tons of bombs dropped on the communists in southe stasia in the 1960s and 70s and

and a much smaller amount of precision ordinance dropped on iran i think the the degree of destruction

is similar the method is different and but the outcome i think is the same

so you're really saying the the the bottom line is america has to win this

and to win it there will have to be boots on the ground to some degree at least we we have to but we

i think if if the the ranians have the drones and it looks like they do have the drones integrated

with some of their certainly with hasblown lebanon we need to send we need to let the american people

know that boys are going to die but if they don't the dollar is wiped out and they're they're

going to be america is going to be a third world country and there's going to be nothing here

we we we won't even have the means to re-industrialize we won't even be able to maintain our navy

they got to understand that that the united states is it this is an existential threat although it

doesn't directly appear it's an indirect effect if we pull back and we don't win and the

iranians know it i mean uh

Alexander doogan's been crowing america's now in the verge of collapse he's giddy over it

right because he knows we took the bait you have to in this situation you have to thank god the

Arab states are willing to fight the oil states the Saudis if we can reorganize them it will take

months and if we can organize and keep that air supremacy up we could eventually capture the

key ground to reopen the straits i believe and and and collapse the regime but it's going to take time

it's not going to be a quick fix and the key here is the political will in a in an election year

so trump you know to me he has no choice but to go forward

and he's going to stop self yeah i think he's self-american people he's sort of like president johnson in

his doing this johnson went into vietnam thinking all send this big bunch of things and we'll just wipe

them out and then they will be able to leave but no he couldn't leave he couldn't get out he couldn't

figure out how to get out nixon figured out vietnamization but it didn't work because the

vietnamization worked but then we we stopped supplying the army of the republic of vietnam

but here in the case of of iran if the president can can get together with the senate especially and

other members of the government and and say look at this is what we're confronted with

we have no choice we have to fight this war and then the media gets behind it and understands

what's at stake if the whole country could get on the same page but this is a very tall order because

trump is kind of like johnson he's escalating he's sending ground troops but he's not really

initiating the solution or saying look we have to fall the regime now yeah yeah you know

yeah so so so it's the bottom line isn't it's it's a very perilous situation

america has to win but the country's dividers and our enemies know that and they'll exploit the

hick out of that including our military including our media and our democratic party but other than

that everything's plain sailing yeah yeah and it's everything depends on and of course we've

got the vice president we haven't mentioned him because the president is rather old and he seems

to be rather stressed and he doesn't look well uh i he doesn't look like he's that healthy

if something should happen to the president we've got JD Vance in there and i think JD Vance

would be the person to pull out i look no question no question at all that's why i do not want

JD Vance to take it in 2028 at all yeah that's the trump would stay but not JD Vance yeah

yeah well thanks so much Jeff we have to call it quits here unfortunately but thank you so much

and uh look we'll uh we'll keep on an eye on the situation it ain't going away it's a critical

situation as you've explained and uh we'll get back to some updates and let's just hope we can

stay the course and and enough people listen listen to this kind of thing to uh to realise how

serious the situation is yeah well thank you for having me you're most welcome jiff thank you