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Welcome to another edition of Triple Out reports on America Out Loud. We're here with
my good friend Jeff Nyquist talking about Iran. You may have noticed that Iran has been
in the news for the last 27 days and Jeff is a big student of international fears of history. He's
got a grasp of military strategy and military operations. It's pretty impressive and he's got
some a lot of ideas on this war. So Jeff can you just introduce yourself while I quickly get
a drink of water and then I'll ask you a couple of questions. Yeah well I'm Jeff Nyquist. I wrote
for Newsmax and World Net Daily. I wrote the origins of the fourth world war and I was trained
as a political scientist but my original interest was military history and military strategy. So I
spent a lifelong interest in mine and of course I'm always curious about the great powers and how
they prepare for war and of course I've never been one to believe that war is done that we now live
in as Francis Fukuyama said it's the end of history. I don't think so. History ends when there's no
more human beings to fight with each other. As long as we're here on the planet there's going to be
wars and that's just the way it is and the major powers are always struggling over priority and over
control of land, resources, even just for thumping their chest to prove that they're stronger
to back down the other side. So this has always been part of human history. It may be unpleasant
people may want to believe in peace but war is really what fills up history. The Romans had the
temple of Janice and the doors. The doors would be open when there was war and they would be closed
when there wasn't and the temple of Janice the doors were almost always open because wars
are almost always happening. So it's kind of where we are and of course if you say there's not
going to be a war between Russia and America or Russia and China or Russia and Iran you're probably
wrong. There's going to be a war between these powers and then there's blocks of countries that
are with each other against other blocks of countries. This is another aspect. So this is what we're
looking at. The war in Iran and the war in Ukraine are both connected because similar sets of
actors are on each side and opposed in their interests and their form of government, their ideology,
there's deep connections here in all these areas. Although many people can't see it because
Russia has pretended to be a Christian, pretended to be a nationalist. Russia really is very
socialist and it's back to the USSR. We can see they're heading in the direction of North Korea
and of course Iran is a totalitarian state as well. So this is kind of the division of the
world between the free countries and dictatorships. This really is the evil access of Ronald Reagan
isn't it? It never died. The Soviet Union went into retreat. It's now Russia but it has a very
similar foreign policy to the old Soviet Union. It has the same allies. It's fighting a war in
Europe. It's at least encouraging a war in Israel with Hamas against Israel and it's key ally
Iran is fighting a major war in the Middle East right now. But it all comes back to Russia,
doesn't it? Every road seems to lead back to Moscow in this enterprise.
You know people don't understand power and there's a difference between money, power, financial
power, industrial power, military power. There's relationships between these things but America has
become gone from being the world's number one industrial power and financial power
and technological power to being the number one technological and in financial power. We've lost
that industry thing and China has picked up the industrial power and has the largest military
in the world and Russia has the most advanced missiles in the world. We don't have hypersonic
missiles like Russia has and Russia and Ukraine have developed drone warfare to a fine art and
apparently the Iranians have now too. Something I learned today because the Hezbollah was
destroying Israeli tanks with drones now in Lebanon. So this is a key point I heard you talking
the other day Jeff you're saying that to liberate Iran there is going to have to be boots on the
ground. Now the problem is if Iran is as good with drones as the Ukrainians now are and probably
the Russians are if they have developed that technology that could be a disaster for America could
it not. It's high casualties I mean I don't think anybody is as good as the Ukrainians but if
there is good as the Russians and the Russians do use drones and they've developed some sophistication
on their own because I think in a way the Iranians as a culture and as a people are possibly more
sophisticated than the Russians or the Chinese they may be more capable in some respects. They're
smaller they're only 93 million people but still Nazi Germany was only about 80 million.
Well it's still twice what a crane has isn't it? Yeah it's more than twice Ukraine's population so
the possibilities here are very we have to be careful because you know the Russians are losing
around a thousand men a day and 800 of those are from drones. Imagine drones killing 800 of
your servicemen a day. How long could the United States put up with that level of loss?
Yeah it's hard to imagine it's hard to imagine the political will to do it in election year is not
very good. Yeah there's no way Americans don't have that political will. I don't think
the Russians it's part of their culture historically I mean they lost depending on which
historians somewhere between 25 and 35 million men they lost in World War Two and they were in
fact running out of man even though the Soviet Union had the one of the largest populations in the
world they were using women as snipers tank drivers and night bomber pilots so this so difficult
was it for them to get their hold on man after they were had the heavy losses but they they were
able the Germans wrote about the Russians they couldn't believe the Russians ability to continue to
attack despite being wiped out by the thousands in their attacks they would just keep coming the
Germans literally would run out of ammunition and have to retreat because they just they didn't
have the means to kill they would have to run and finally when the battle of Berlin their flanks
caved in because they didn't have the ammunition to stop the numbers that were coming at them and
and of course the Russians are using these same tactics as as horrible as they are against
Ukraine mass human wave assaults clearing minefields with their feet absorbing drone hits oh
this this 60 year old man who was sent to the front without training is just there to take a drone
you know a drone cost between 2500 and 5000 dollars and how much does the man cost well you
won't have to pay his pension right and there's a criminal they recruit to take a drone hit
well we're paying for him to be in prison let's just see if he if he takes the drone hit we we
kind of get rid of parts of our population the Russians would say in order to absorb these drones
meanwhile the real military training is going on in Russia to their more able people the citizens
they want to keep i think that's what's going on in Russia and i think you know so so you said
this before that that we're not really seeing the cream of the Russian military fighting in
Ukraine are we we know there are large numbers of Russian troops in Belarus there being this since
that you know for some time some of them and we have a bit of a false and I a bit of a false idea
of the power of the Russian military was seen it degraded and slaughtered the troops slaughtered
in Ukraine but I don't really think that's a false strength of the Russian military do you
i'm skeptical that it is because we know there's better parts of it look there's there's like a
couple divisions of troops on that front that seem to be well led and doing what we understand
from the operational art of war but most of the other brigades and units that are on the front
in in on the Russian side are made up of these conscripts and people that are living in miserable
conditions and people that are just being used up and it's almost like they decided to turn
the war into a giant war game to test new methods and new techniques of waging war you'll notice
that they kept their armada tanks out of the war and what one of the first things they threw in
all the old Cold War tanks and used them up well these were you know T62s T72s T80s these they
didn't mind losing these tanks because they were a lot of them are rust buckets anyway and
they discovered how weak they were and and so what what did they lost in the first
three four years of the war they lost 10,000 tanks you know something like 40 something thousand
trucks I mean that a lot of them taken out by drones meanwhile the Russians were using fiber
optics cable to launch drones it couldn't be jammed they were doing their own experiments with
their own warfare while the Ukrainians were experimenting on them and they were learning this new
method of warfare and the Chinese have teams in Ukraine and there's Chinese soldiers fighting in
Russian uniform there and they're also learning and the North Koreans are their learning
but how many of of the NATO people are learning right now for the first time in the last few
months the Ukrainian teams have gone and conducted exercises with NATO to test the ability of
Ukrainian teams to attack NATO with drones and NATO has had its clock cleaned in these exercises both
naval and land they found that the Ukrainian drones beat NATO every time so if it was NATO against
Ukraine Ukraine would beat NATO now the Russians who are behind the Ukrainians still are have been in
this game for four years plus and they've developed drone warfare we don't know how much and we
don't know if they're sandbagging how much are the Russians holding back because they don't want
to show their capability to the west and this is the other question why is Russia building nine now
the Dutch released the news Johnny Anderson and and Lee Wheelbarker they found what was it 78 new
encampments on the NATO border Russian encampments and the Dutch announced the other day that there's
actually 94 Russian new encampments that means they're mobilizing they're going to be sending
troops what's that new ones yeah brand new encampments so the Russians are mobilizing is this
in Manian Belarus or where they're allowing the Finnish border in the Baltic states borders
and of course the there's been a another mobilization under Lukashenko who's in North Korea now
meeting with little nuclear rocket pills dairy bowl doughboy over there he's he's there but he's
done a mobilization again the there's a troop buildup by the Belarusian military and they're
busy training their man intensively to make sure that they're in better shape than the troops that
they send in without training to die in Ukraine that's suspicious in itself and in in troubling and of
course the the the real target of Russia Russia really wants to take down the US and force
NATO to capitulate strategically so how does your mobilization your art of war get you there
I think Iran now you started asking me about that I think that is a key piece in the puzzle of
their strategy so okay so we're we're all thinking okay President Trump's sick of Iranian
ultimatums and and whatever and decided to take them out and you know a lot of people I thought
think thought the Iranian regime would catch it would collapse in a week and a bit like you
know Putin allegedly thought that Ukraine would collapse in a week but that they're not they're not
they're not haven't collapsed and we and we thought maybe there'd be an uprising of the
been three uprising so far and none of them have succeeded and we thought I think people thought of
Trump goes in this time and bombs the heck out of their military the people will take the signal
and rise up so that hasn't happened so so how does this how is this part of Russian strategy do you
think well I think the Russians if you look at Iran and you look at the massive underground tunnel
systems tunneled out mountains rocket launchers bunkers with drones and rocket launchers in them
if you look at this and then the the the fast boats along the coast with the mines and the
underwater drones if you look at this development which has been going on for you know probably
more than 30 years I mean they were having putting silkworm missiles in there from China over
30 years ago those are surface to surface missiles of that time that Iran had I think this is they've
been working on this strategy a long time and here's what their strategy always has been it isn't
like Iran's going to invade Israel or Saudi Arabia or the middle or any of the other Middle East
Iran is a huge country in its own right right it's much bigger than Iraq it has you know
much more popular many times the population of Iraq and but Russian China have built this into a
fortress Iran sits directly over the most sensitive waterway in the world the Persian Gulf
and the straight of Hormuz and so you've got oil tankers that go through there that pick up the
oil for Japan South Korea Australia and Europe largely and a lot of third world countries go
through there every day and then those countries those oil rich countries which you know Saudi Arabia
can support like 3 million people but they got 37 million they're working in that industry
the desert can only support 3 million in terms of water so they have desalination plants
to make the water that can support that many people and they have to bring in food because they
don't have the arable land to feed those people they have to feed them from food sources outside
same thing with the UAE and Bahrain and Qatar all these countries have the same you know they're
desert they're just really flat out desert they can't support that many people but the oil has
made it so they're supported now the straight of Hormuz is not only for carrying oil out but for
carrying supplies and food in to those now over populated countries those those Gulf states those
oil countries and they perform the work of the western world supporting the western world with
20% of the world's oil supply but really it's more than that percentage of the oil that Japan
and Europe and and Korea use and these are our military allies against Russia and China that
depend on this and what happened you know Trump claims that he thought everything through everything
was thought through when he went into this attack and they said it was going to be three four
weeks maybe five weeks later on it was going to take for this war and they they were going to
going to change the regime initially but now they don't talk about that anymore because the regime
it was going to fall it would have fallen when they decapitated at the beginning that was when
it was at its weakest right when the confusion of the first strikes but it didn't happen it didn't
decapitate and you've got this powerful you know 150,000 a revolutionary guard corps plus another
40,000 of these militia police you know fanatics and then you've got the regular army of 300,000
and the the hope would be the regular army would turn and join the people but that hasn't happened
why hasn't it happened because they adopted the same organizational strategies that were taught
to them by the Russians and the Chinese and that is Leninist institutions you put your secret police
in the army in every unit of the army has the agents of the Iranian secret police and in the
officer corps you have indoctrination and you're watching these officers very carefully they're
going to be the most watched distrusted people in the country because they're the people with the
most guns they have more guns than the than the IRCG but the IRCG has better weapons better training
and the IRCG is not molded out by the gut well it is it is really the regime right and not only that
the IRCG controls major elements of the economy and the black market economy they thrive off of that
because it's really a socialist system and of course so everybody gets paid off and they so they
have big bonuses and big cash payouts for those for their loyalty so not only do they believe but
they get good benefits for believing in the cause so this is how the regimes organized and it's
like all of these regimes it's highly bureaucratically organized and they are able to replace their
leadership just like we have leaders standing by in bunkers they're not going to suffer decapitation
none of these you know all these communist regimes ever since 2020 the word went out from
Russia and China that war was coming with the United States and I got this from an intelligence
source in 2020 a message went out we're gonna there's going to be an escalating series of crisis
in wars leading to thunderous war against America so you have to keep a portion of your leadership
in nuclear underground bunkers at all times because the Americans could lash out and wipe out your
leaders so you must do this this is what people were told in Hanoi and Pyongyang in in in Havana
right this is what they were told and and it's because they're really gearing up for taking us on
as crazy as that sounds but it's not really so crazy when you look at how they've prepared
and it's not just preparations in Iran to to cut off the oil let's talk about the meaning of
that oil being cut off you see the the price of oil if it one of the calculations is over $200
a barrel if this thing stays shut and and and Neil Ferguson the the British economic historian who
wrote the history of money and a lot of other great books on economics and economic history wrote
the history of the Rothschilds for example he said in a podcast and he's he's of course with the
um with the Hoover Institute as well he's a fellow there he said that if this goes on through April
you're gonna have major economic dislocations and already the treasury has said we're gonna
have inflation because because the price of oil going up and they hit on the petrodollar
here's what you remain what the Iranians are doing they're allowing Chinese ships and ships
that trade in Chinese currency to come in and load up and and buy and sell in the Gulf they're not
allowing ships that buy and sell and trade in dollars that is so it's like they're laying siege to
the Gulf states in Saudi Arabia and saying well if you want to sell your oil and you want to pay
your people and you want to keep you 37 million fed in Saudi Arabia you have to start trading in
Chinese currency well what does that do when you're holding hundreds of millions or trillions
hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars petrodollars and you can't spend them I mean you
can spend them but you can't earn more you have to you have to trade them in for Chinese money
because that's what the Iranians are saying you can only do you know the the Chinese currency that
will that's an attack on the dollar yeah yeah yeah so it's not only that they've cut the oil off
from our allies and are seriously affecting our allies economies and by the way Trump did not
consult Japan he didn't consult our allies in Europe before he went off and did this
and and he he didn't properly consult the the the Gulf states they wanted to be neutral they
were initially saying you can't use our airspace we want to be neutral but the Iranians struck them
anyway and everybody said oh it's a terrible mistake they're they're striking these innocent
countries no no it was well calculated because by striking those countries there those countries are
the oil supply of the west it was in it Iran's response was to attack the west why well they're
aligned with Russia and China it's part of this larger game and of course who benefits first
the Chinese benefit because then they can export their inflation and they replace the petrodollar
and the Russians then the oil price goes up and the embargoes lifted from the Russians because
people are so desperate for oil so the Russians end up making ten billion dollars a week extra it
bails the Russian financial economy and then it that who takes the hit our allies and we do
right when the allies are when the western lights is pretty fractionated anyway
you know over the crane war over Israel all sorts of things like that over NATO
so did did okay so the scenario presented as Trump was told that the the Iranians about to produce
weapons there are little way away and they were going to use them and they're basically told the
US to take a hike and so the scenarios you know we're told Trump really had no choice he had to move
do you think this was a bait do you think this was a trap? I do I do I think they used the the WMD
thing was the thing that that partly causes to go into Iraq Saddam had used poison gas he was
always trying to develop a bomb so there was concern because he was kind of a crazy man but these
crazy men are useful because they can get a get our backup and get us to come in and get involved
in a war and what do the Russians and Chinese want if they want to have more power in their
region relative they'd like to see the US military pin down in the Middle East
and pin down in a way that we're really not our weapons and our tools aren't sufficient to
open the state of Hormuz if you see the even if we destroyed every drone factory in Iran and it's
difficult to imagine with all the underground sites that there aren't underground factories but
even then you have the Russians shipping large numbers of drones to Iran over the Caspian sea
and in fact the Israelis have even struck these it's the other day they sank five of these ships
carrying drones into Iran but there's trucks moving drones from Tajikistan the
Iranians have drone factories there in central Asia and the Chinese have drone factories and you
can see in central Asia lines of 18 wheelers coming across central Asia into Iran they're never
going to run out of drones and they're going to be able to to continue to send drones against the
the ships that they don't like going into this Persian Gulf okay we need to call a break here
Jeff and we'll come back straight after this and I want to develop that point further and then
talk about how they he what what do we do now what what should Trump do okay so we'll call
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welcome back to america out loud trip level what's okay so Jeff you're
planting a bit of a dye scenario here so trumps walked into this
and you know I was very rare rare I want to see around taking down I want to see regime change
those very little talk of that now just like this not really much talk of regime change in
Venezuela and you wonder why they actually do these things unless they actually going to change
regime so so america has gone into this war nobody else is helping but Russia and nobody's
helping america but israel is israel in america but europe's not helping but russia and china
are definitely helping and and other countries are helping Iran with supplies of weapons so what
is the way forward so we're so we're in the we're in the in the trap so to speak is there a way
forward what would happen if america withdrew should america just keep going put boots on the
ground whatever is necessary to finish off the Iranian regime and call a bluff basically
it wouldn't be a good trap if we could get out of it easy and that's that's why it was so well
thought out and everything we see was well thought out I mean the united states has many options
we need to support Ukraine massively because the russians are involved in this the russians have
been supporting this plan uh there's no doubt of it and um we have to be careful now uh you know
there may be somebody clever can develop a new technology they can they can make the straight
free of drones but Lloyd's of London and these these ship insurers they won't insure a tanker
to go into the gulf because the the the danger of being hit by drones and catching fire
and and and you know being a burnt out hulk they're floating on the ocean is is very serious
oil is ignites and um and these ships there's no real way to stop a drone yet I mean you see
the russian oil storage areas around promorskin and st. Petersburg have been hit for the last three
nights or so I think they're being hit right now as we're speaking again a fourth night um and
they're just burning they've been burning for days uh oil is very vulnerable and um and I think
that uh the problem here is that uh we don't have a solution yet we went into the war without it
so then the thing is how do we get the Iranian people to rise up well they don't have weapons
they will be massacred by the IRCG and their their radical militias so that is not going to work
and decapitation didn't work and now we're we're bombing all sorts of things we've bombed you know
I think 7,000 targets look we dropped 7.5 million tons of bombs on uh north north Vietnam
Cambodia allows during the Vietnam war and we lost the war because they had the Ho Chi Minh trail
and they were able to flank us continuously and uh they were able to uh demoralize the american
public uh with with the frustrating thing that if we didn't go into the north if we didn't
go into Cambodia they they they really went after Nixon for going into Cambodia and Laos
they uh they just wasn't possible to win we had to actually take the word of the communist to win
and the public opinion in the US wouldn't do it wouldn't go for it and you know president Johnson
and maybe president Nixon were afraid of World War III if we did that now in in Iran we have a
similar problem our army is much smaller than it was during Vietnam and Iran is a lot bigger country
in terms of population the Vietnam uh in in size and population and sophistication um and the weapons
are different um it it seems if the reports from Lebanon are true about the Hezbollah using drones
to knock out tanks it's going to be very difficult for us to advance on the ground in Iran
and uh even taking karg island could be very costly if the Iranians are prepared
um this may be a solution to the problem because 90% of Iran's oil comes through there but it
doesn't solve the problem of keeping the straits open uh trump may call the uh the the sailors
in the oil tankers cowards for not braving the drones but it's not up to them it's up to the
insurance companies and the owners and nobody's going to risk something that expensive uh to to these
drones so um and then there's the other problem is that trump initiated the war with only about
one-third support among the American people i think about two-thirds are not liking this war
weren't really for it he's got a vice president who doesn't seem to be for it is a director of
national intelligence doesn't seem tosy gabbert doesn't seem to be for it well they're both for
the both for anything that russia will like likes right so even trump's and trump's mega supporters
are not a hundred percent behind this uh i think a lot of republicans mainstream republicans
are thinking well we have to deal with this someday uh but everyone's kind of dismayed at how poorly
thought out this has been or or soon they will recognize this um but the the thing that has to
happen is the american people have to understand that everything is on the line here this is the
most important waterway in the world to us all this propaganda about oh uh Washington's run by the
Jews and it was the Jews that got us into this and it's you know all this anti-semitism that has
nothing to do with it the Jews aren't the significant thing about the middle east it's this oil
that's significant and it has to be if we can't protect the straight uh then the dollar is
you know our credibility as a defender of the west is gone and and we would like britain pull out
of the the middle east uh abandon our bases and that would leave the region to the control of
China in Iran in Russia which would which would then destroy the dollar yes the dollar would be
absolutely worthless at that point because there's we've been in exporting our inflation for
decades ever since Bretton Woods ever since nixon took us off the partial gold standard and and
what has been backing the u.s currency is u.s aircraft carriers protecting the world trade
especially this oil trade and so if you if the america no longer performs that function no one
has any reason to take dollars and if they don't get export our inflation which means the inflation
all those dollars being used to trade overseas come home and what does that do it's invested in the
stock market or real estate which causes a huge bubble in the stock market or real estate or in gold
and then that bubble bursts and then what happens well so this has always been migrant people say look
you know america's been carrying the load for everybody around the world but it's been a bit of a
quid pro quo because yes you know um NATO countries haven't really been paying their fair share
of the bills but they've been taking american dollars and having their savings depleted every single
year we've been taxing them and so you know america has been and they were willing to put up with
that as long as america protects them and keeps the trade routes open so why would they do that if
america can't do that yeah it would be it would be tough you know and there's the fact that we
basically possessed this the really advanced systems that integrate with the local defenses of
the various countries are allies Australia Europe Japan and so on they need us and they don't want
to have to pay for the technological developments and have to keep up as little countries they would
find it difficult it's better for us to specialize this is why americans and it's hard to explain
this to americans you live well because of our aircraft carriers and our big military that's
why you live well you take that away and your standard of living is not going to be that good
that's exactly right and this is what gets me about all these america firsts peace nicks
anti-nato types isolationists they think but they think that the US military is a drain on their
lifestyle they think by cutting back the military this we're going to be more gunny money to spend
well now the reasons yeah the US military is the great provider in this and and of course it's hard
to estimate exporting our inflation we produce people say we have a trade imbalance no they produce
all these other things that we consume and we produce dollars that they use to trade with and we
protect the trade that's really how it worked and you know i had a friend who was close to one of the
else the last conservative prime minister of australia he was close to one of his economic advisors
and i asked him i said what what does he say about this arrangement and how australians view it
at the top of the australian political system and and he came back and he said even the left
in australia recognize that um they need the america military or they get gallbled by china
now i'm sure the chinese agents on the left don't really care that much but sensible people sensible
australians realize yeah without america they can't they're not going to survive in a war with china
no they're not and just like i i know like if america wasn't there china wouldn't have to invade
New Zealand they just phone phone up the prime minister and say look uh we want to settle
half a million people a year in your country we want three military bases in your country
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and fall access the Antarctica and our prime minister would say
would say yes sir that's right yeah i think you've got the scenario correctly and uh so so i think
realistically people understand this i think uh canada's a special case because they targeted
canada for um infiltration the sidewinder report so there's a lot of chinese uh you know more than
half the immigration into canada over the last uh almost 30 years has been from china
and they do it through via hankong a lot of it and and of course there's a commonwealth
hankong's a commonwealth was a commonwealth territory for a long time and of course so is canada
so is australian new zeland for that matter so uh this was their way in and they saw canada as the
backdoor to the us they chinese are all over mexico developing the ports building extra railroad
tracks developing the ports by the way above what would be needed for mexican trade
it's very interesting in fact they've made up this story that they're developing the ports as
an alternative to the panamokanel you know build the rail lines build the ports so with the panamokanel
can't carry the traffic well mexico can carry it but there's another reason for building up mexico
and it's that if the chinese land an army in north america that's their supply base
yeah yeah exactly and they intend fully intend to do that just one point i'd like to raise to us
that on the islamic front you know like like if america doesn't finish this war
every muslim shea muslim every jihadi every terrace around the world is going to look and think
god truly is on our side the americans through everything they could at the mullis and we're still
standing truly Allah is with us and that's going to encourage every jihadi on the planet
whereas if america takes down the mullis and has a new regime that's going to be a huge
discouragement to the jihadi movement i would have thought absolutely and it's also if that happens
it would it would be a huge hit on russian china if they lost iran so this is this is this is
this is what i want to get at jif and you you talked about this other day now that america's in the war
it has to win both from the islamic side of things from every reason because you know they're
the dollar the the the damage it would do to russia and china the damage it would do to the jihadi
movement the encouragement it would give to the free nations of the world to finally see the
islamic republic replaced by a western friendly regime do you see the stakes in that starker terms
that we we really have to win this now absolutely i'm afraid that if we retreat from this and that
may happen it will be a strategic defeat that will lead to more defeats and that will open the
door to this kind of world war scenario that russia and china have been fishing for that that
could carry it on where they look and say all right now it's practical to move ahead with
their mobilizations to move on tywan to move on alaska to move on latin america in a much bigger
way and to put direct military pressure on the united states where suddenly the war is starting to
erupt in the caribbean on the border with mexico imagine there imagine if there are ten thousand
drones in cuba and that they can reach all the way to cleveland and washington dc then it's not
just a drone war between uh ukraine and russia where infrastructure is being hit on both sides
every day it's now happening to the united states it's truly horrifying isn't it but it's it's
very credible you know it's very possible yes it's we think of ourselves as invulnerable but we're
not this is look people look at the map mexico is really with china and russia
cuba is a satellite of china and russia venezuela is a huge communist country
down in south america probably with ballistic missiles in that mountain next to the base where we
we took um president maduro kidnapped him from us has tremendous capabilities
but stopping drones and fighting ground war with drones is not something we've learned yet
no it isn't and you can imagine you know mexico would do the florida to to you know there's
several major military installations in florida they'll be an easy reach easy easy so okay so
america's got a win the big problem here is america probably has the has the has the ability to win
but the political considerations are a major factor yes how can president trump convince people to
win and first of all how can president trump convince himself to win and how can america if the
political will was there we have to win how would it be done how would you do if you were
if you were the commander achieve how would you finish this war on our terms well i would
immediately go in with you Ukrainians big time and i would promise to give them all kinds of help
if they would teach the u.s military their techniques and drone warfare and if we could get this
innovation going ourselves and learn how this kind of warfare is fought and develop adi drone
systems and technologies there has been some efforts in this direction but they're not nearly
serious enough or urgent enough and and of course there's there's talk about laser technologies
and whatnot but we need to step this up and of course you have to talk honestly to the american
people you can't say oh everything's fine the war's going to be over in ten days or two weeks or
whatever and say well we might leave if we don't you know we've done our job we might leave
we've really done everything no you can't talk like that you have to talk like winston
Churchill and you have to lay it on the line and you have to say look people this is the most
important strategic position on the map for us and our allies our allies are dependent on this
and if our enemies control it our enemies would control the the life blood of europe in japan
they wouldn't be able to remain our allies they would be able to turn them and if we can't open
the straits the Arab countries will wither those Arab oil countries will wither they will
they they will not be able to survive either so we've got these important allies that have made
our beautiful life in the west possible our advanced technology our prosperity if we want to
defend our prosperity we have to be willing to fight and die for it and it and by the way it's not
really we shouldn't be fighting for prosperity because prosperity is really a byproduct of fighting
for freedom yes and the Iranian people are our natural allies we should want to free them
we should want to see Ukraine safe and and free we we would want to see new governments in
china and russian of course pressing on that you know they have nuclear weapons so we can't really
push for their them falling we have to realize we have a nuclear standoff and we need to have an
increased nuclear deterrent and and this might take a while and you see if the problem trump has
that i wouldn't have had is i don't believe in starting wars i believe very much in what out of
on bismarks said he said starting a preemptive war is like committing suicide for fear of death
you're afraid that a war is going to are up there so you're going to start it yourself
they might have nukes they could nuke you once you start the war but now you're the one who started it
this is bismarks kind of argument and it's it's extremely correct and somehow we've been tricked into
being the aggressor here the one that attacked the one that i hate to say this it hurts me
a perfidious attack we trump said there was a deadline what was it march first we attack on
the twenty-eighth when they think they have two more days of grace and and we give the coordinates
to the Israelis who drop thirty bombs on communists compound and kill them in forty other leaders
i'm sorry in any book that i've ever read that's perfidy that's treachery
and so this is not i mean we have to deal honorably even with our enemies
um we have to keep our word and the president can't lie this is the number one thing this is what
just only makes it worse because the truth will come out and it will be known by everybody and
this is the thing the democrats are already saying they're going to impeach trump and vans and
bondy right the attorney general i think they definitely will impeach trump and i think there's a good
chance that the republicans in the senate will convict him after the catastrophe that we're going to
pass through if if we're not in a pink panther movie okay if we're in a pink panther movie
trump is clue so and he always falls up right whatever screw up it always comes out nice for him
now it would be wonderful if reality worked that way and for trump sometimes it has strangely
but i don't i want somebody to try to explain it to me realistically how this happens
now john mojure a military analyst i really respect his books are fantastic uh he wrote um
death ride hitler versus stall in the best book i overall book on the russian front and world war two
and he and his latest column on iran he says iran is finished because he thinks the precision
weapons will allow a level of destruction against iran that they will be forced to give up
now i don't he hasn't changed his mind on this and i'm interested he he made arguments that weren't
persuasive to me because look it's never happened in history even when qaddafi fell by bombing
there were rebels in his country there were ground forces opposed to him to exploit those
air strikes so in in in less those ground forces changed sides like they did in libya i don't see
it happening and i need somebody to explain to me what's the difference between seven point five
million tons of bombs dropped on the communists in southe stasia in the 1960s and 70s and
and a much smaller amount of precision ordinance dropped on iran i think the the degree of destruction
is similar the method is different and but the outcome i think is the same
so you're really saying the the the bottom line is america has to win this
and to win it there will have to be boots on the ground to some degree at least we we have to but we
i think if if the the ranians have the drones and it looks like they do have the drones integrated
with some of their certainly with hasblown lebanon we need to send we need to let the american people
know that boys are going to die but if they don't the dollar is wiped out and they're they're
going to be america is going to be a third world country and there's going to be nothing here
we we we won't even have the means to re-industrialize we won't even be able to maintain our navy
they got to understand that that the united states is it this is an existential threat although it
doesn't directly appear it's an indirect effect if we pull back and we don't win and the
iranians know it i mean uh
Alexander doogan's been crowing america's now in the verge of collapse he's giddy over it
right because he knows we took the bait you have to in this situation you have to thank god the
Arab states are willing to fight the oil states the Saudis if we can reorganize them it will take
months and if we can organize and keep that air supremacy up we could eventually capture the
key ground to reopen the straits i believe and and and collapse the regime but it's going to take time
it's not going to be a quick fix and the key here is the political will in a in an election year
so trump you know to me he has no choice but to go forward
and he's going to stop self yeah i think he's self-american people he's sort of like president johnson in
his doing this johnson went into vietnam thinking all send this big bunch of things and we'll just wipe
them out and then they will be able to leave but no he couldn't leave he couldn't get out he couldn't
figure out how to get out nixon figured out vietnamization but it didn't work because the
vietnamization worked but then we we stopped supplying the army of the republic of vietnam
but here in the case of of iran if the president can can get together with the senate especially and
other members of the government and and say look at this is what we're confronted with
we have no choice we have to fight this war and then the media gets behind it and understands
what's at stake if the whole country could get on the same page but this is a very tall order because
trump is kind of like johnson he's escalating he's sending ground troops but he's not really
initiating the solution or saying look we have to fall the regime now yeah yeah you know
yeah so so so it's the bottom line isn't it's it's a very perilous situation
america has to win but the country's dividers and our enemies know that and they'll exploit the
hick out of that including our military including our media and our democratic party but other than
that everything's plain sailing yeah yeah and it's everything depends on and of course we've
got the vice president we haven't mentioned him because the president is rather old and he seems
to be rather stressed and he doesn't look well uh i he doesn't look like he's that healthy
if something should happen to the president we've got JD Vance in there and i think JD Vance
would be the person to pull out i look no question no question at all that's why i do not want
JD Vance to take it in 2028 at all yeah that's the trump would stay but not JD Vance yeah
yeah well thanks so much Jeff we have to call it quits here unfortunately but thank you so much
and uh look we'll uh we'll keep on an eye on the situation it ain't going away it's a critical
situation as you've explained and uh we'll get back to some updates and let's just hope we can
stay the course and and enough people listen listen to this kind of thing to uh to realise how
serious the situation is yeah well thank you for having me you're most welcome jiff thank you
