Rewind: Episode 06

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1:02where we check out the greatest, the scariest, deepest cuts in the archive. Today, we're going to be talking about glitches in the matrix, like weird shit, jumps in time, doppelgangers, all of it. First story we're actually going to check out is called Jump Cut, and it's from episode eight, so let's check it out. Okay, so let's just start off with how old were you, where were you living, what was happening? This was in 2009, so I would have been 20. I was living in a smaller apartment. I had a girlfriend who went to school and she would come visit regularly, like every weekend. Our relationship was pretty casual. We said I love you and stuff like that, but never had the conversation about living together, or getting married, or gone for a bit, having kids. It was never like that. I mean, 20 years old.

2:04Standard semi-long distance kind of thing. She was over one night. My girlfriend got there. I want to say six, seven o'clock. We went to Arby's. Picked up some Arby's, came back, ate all that, made some popcorn, and started our movie. We were watching a DVD that she had brought. Was the movie Revolutionary Road. We're watching the movie, and then within a split second, even faster than that, like faster than a blank. I found myself sitting on the foot of my bed, in my bedroom, as opposed to living room where we were. And I was nude, and the lights returned off. I didn't feel groggy or sleepy or anything like that. It was just so sudden. And immediately after the jump, I was immensely confused.

3:05It felt like a newborn. Just completely betrayed by all reality I've ever known. Spent a good second or two trying to catch my breath. When we came to on the bed, I don't really know what else to call it. I was kind of panicked. My first thinking was, am I hurt? Am I okay? I found that, yes, I was okay. You know, I'm not bleeding anywhere, you know. But that took a couple seconds to figure that out. It took me a couple seconds to realize I was in my room. I had to look and see my poster on the wall and stuff for me to go holy crap. Okay, I'm in my room. I spent a couple seconds thinking that maybe I died or something because it was just so bizarre. And then I realized that my girlfriend is sitting right next to me, also nude.

4:10And she looks like she saw a ghost. I tried to speak first, but I choked like there was something caught in my throat. I don't think she blinked the whole time. She and her eyes were just paced it open. It was a really eerie look. Wide eyes, white as a ghost. Mouth agape. Like you had just seen someone pop out of a grave. She was trembling, shaking sort of like that tremble you have after, you know, a near miss and traffic. Like where your whole body is just bridged and shaking a little bit. Shallow breaths. I guess you could call it shock. She asked me what the hell happened. It was the first thing she said, which surprised me because I thought it was just me. And that honestly made me even more afraid because I was hoping she had answers. But that was the first thing she said is what happened.

5:11Did we turn the lights off? Did you turn the lights off? Did I say it was time for bed or anything like that? I wasn't expecting her to ask. I thought I was going to have to sound crazy and tell her, hey, something just happened and then she's going to call me nuts. But no, she asked me what happened. I don't know. Did you turn off the lights? Did we decide to go to sleep? No. Okay, what the hell's going on here? Right away, I thought something must have fallen off the wall and hit my head or something. You know, I was trying to rationalize it. From what I could tell, just talking to her that she experienced the same thing I did. She didn't see anything, but I didn't see. And vice versa. The jump was like the cut of a camera in a movie. Like the way we're talking now, the camera would switch from me to you as we took turns speaking.

6:14And the way it happens when it transfers the camera is so fast. There's no fading or clipping or anything. It's just a very sudden switch. That's exactly how fast and unexpected it was. It came out of nowhere. When I found myself in my room, my blinds were open and the moon was creeping in. Everything was turned off and I mean it was equally as creepy as finding myself in a completely different room, let alone the lights being on and off. It was almost like we were sitting in the dark the whole time. Sitting on the edge of the bed, both of us right on the foot of the bed. We were dressed, sitting up straight, all four feet on the floor. It was not like anyone was falling asleep. But after the experience, our clothes were in a crumpled heap by the couch and we've never done that before. They were always either putting a hamper in the bedroom or left on the floor in the bedroom.

7:16That really stood out to me. That was strange. I decided I should call my mom. I was kind of a kid, I guess, and didn't know what the heck I was supposed to do in that kind of situation. When I picked up my phone, I saw that it was four hours from the time that we were watching the movie. Last time I checked the clock, it was 11 p.m. Next thing I knew, we were on the bed and it was 3 a.m. That just floored me. Immediately after, we had that brief conversation about, do you know what happened? Do I know what happened? That was maybe two minutes. Then checking the lights and finding our clothes was maybe another two or three minutes. And that was when I decided to call my mom because nothing was adding up. I was going to ask her if she thought we should see a doctor, if we should go to a hospital, if she wanted us to go to her place or what to do.

8:19She said she knows that carbon monoxide leaks can have these kinds of effects on people. I have a carbon monoxide detector, but that's just a machine. And they fail all the time. So I took my mom's word for it. And she said just go to the hospital honey, call me when you leave. Let me know you're okay. So I'd say about 10 minutes after the jump, we were out the door. I decided we were going to go to the ER. In case we had been drugged or ate something poisonous or who knows what. I know it probably wasn't the right choice for me to drive considering everything that was going on. It probably wasn't the best candidate to be behind the wheel. I didn't see any other choice. I had to get to the hospital. We told them that we were having issues with our memory. And we felt a little funny.

9:20We didn't want to tell them what happened for obvious reasons. We just tried to play it off like, oh, you know, it might have been carbon monoxide or some kind of mold. Can you just, is there any kind of blood test you can do? So they did just a standard blood test. I'm not sure if they were checking for drugs or what. They said we came back. No drugs in our system and no poisoning of any kind that they could find. My girlfriend kind of thought maybe she had a seizure. And I tried to explain to her that it happened to both of us. You know, it wasn't just you. I don't think it was a seizure. But she was adamant. So she got like a CAT scan to check her brain functions. Which came back exactly as it should have. It clears a bell. I was constantly bringing it up for a while for a few weeks. It was all I wanted to talk about. When my friends came over, it was all I wanted to talk about.

10:23Things that guys behind were saying and all this and that. And she just wanted it to go away. It affected our relationship. It was already kind of difficult to begin with with the distance. Her friends didn't really like me at all. She didn't want to talk about it. I did. I embarrassed her when I brought it up around her friends. And it just we were just done. The next day came home from the hospital. A laid down and been for a while tried to sleep. My head kept kind of telling me that maybe it was going to happen again. I could happen at any time. You didn't see it coming last time. It could happen now. So I couldn't really sleep. But almost immediately as soon as she left in the morning, I started sounds a little childish, but just googling things. A lot of my searches led me to some pretty serious conspiracy sites.

11:23I wanted some real concrete answers. I was looking for something scientific. And it just kept bringing me to bizarre things to be honest. I threw a Halloween party shortly after and I was all messed up in my head. Because it was all I was thinking about obviously. A lot of people brought up Sam Hain. I'm not sure if it's pagan or what it is, but it's a day where the dimension from our world to the world of the past is open. And they're able to come here and supposedly mess with us. And some people have been known to go there unwillingly or unwittingly, I should say. I mean a crazy situation can only have a crazy explanation. So I entertained every idea that they would give me. I was always trying to tell her what I was hearing from these people. I wanted to share these things with her and she said I sounded crazy. And I don't blame her. I'm sure I did sound a little crazy. Now when I look back on it, it's very eye opening, almost educational in a way,

12:26where I learned that I don't know everything. I can't control myself. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I can't control everything. Sometimes things happen that you can't change. You can't control. You can't understand. You can't explain away with anything. So it was pretty educational. I guess I was kind of a cocky little asshole at like 20 years old running around, slamming my religious grandparents. You know, science hasn't answered for everything. Don't you know that? I learned that I don't know anything. I don't know if it made me a believer, maybe a little more on the agnostic side. Just because I know it sounds lazy, but science is failing to explain it for me. And maybe there is something else at play that we can't possibly ever understand.

13:31And in that sense, I wouldn't say believer, but in that sense, maybe opened up my eyes to the possibility. I haven't been going to church or anything, but I understand more when people do. Because at the time, I had this mentality that there's an answer to everything. There has to be. I was just convinced that there was an answer out there and I just wasn't finding it. I've settled on, um, I don't have a theory. I don't know everything. And I never will. I love it. That was the best. That describes it so well. Okay. I love that. It's like you assume that's such a great point. Like you assume all the thing. You assume that you guys, you know, took your clothes off went to bed and woke up or something, but none of that happened. It's so interesting. I love it. That's all the questions I have.

14:31Yeah. I don't like me. Do you use anything else you'd like to add? Or do you feel like you? No, you guys are great. Thank you. That was amazing. Thank you. Oh, you're good, man. Man, jump cuts. Pretty cool when they do in movies, but not so much in real life. I mean, I've had some jump cuts myself that involved other stuff. But anyways, we believe you, man. You've been there, but not like that. But glad you're okay. Glad you're able to tell your story. And we appreciate it. Just, you know, be careful, man. Yeah, that was a weird one, but, but I believe the guy. I mean, I just not happened to me, but sounds like, you know, it really messed him up. But hope he's okay. I hope everyone believes in now, but we do. We're going to take a break. It's chill out for a second and we'll be right back. All right, guys, so we know you all can't get enough or radio rental, right? Well, now you can.

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17:37Right? Where do they make fun of you? I think you guys are making fun of us actually. It's my favorite part because I never knew what I'm going to get. And every now and then there's a challenge and I might call you back. Yeah, it's not a dare. And we have. So yeah. Hello, Terry. This is Hey, the Wattau. Just, uh, um, can I get on, um, waiting for more scary stories almost October? Um, kind of. Yeah. Can we get you to back? I will say I'm pretty impressed by the amount of people who are casually calling in. Like, oh, number. Hey man, spin a minute, um, just fill in dead area. No clue what this is for. Who's even listening to it for real? Would you do that? Yeah, I would do that. What would you say? Uh, troll or just like, I would troll hard. I put that guy who's like,

18:43you can't scare me. I would probably do the breath thing. Yeah, I could see that. I'm not going to lie. That's why it pissed me off because it got me. It's also something I would do. Is he breathing on the phone? Yeah, awkward. Just waiting. Yeah. Let's see. Okay. I'm scared to don't turn it up. It's weird. Thank God. That was it. I mean, I know it's maybe coming. Yeah. I mean, it didn't have this and you were wet for the entire 13 seconds or whatever. Good. A lot of dread. That's just a long time to sit on the bed. Are they thinking like, oh, should I say something? Or they just forget to turn like stage fright. Yeah? Like, they're like, oh shit. Like, what do I say? Oh, I don't know, but they I hang up in 18 seconds. Yeah, that was 18 seconds of waiting. So, this yeah.

19:46Come on back, Joey. I'm sorry, but I love things. I didn't need it. It was my life. My life don't win through it. Just come back. There's a lot of time left. I'm not falling for it. It's coming. This can't happen every call. It can't. I'm not gonna allow it. How are you? How are you sitting on every piece of trash? 30 more seconds. Wow. All right. This is good. This is good. Yeah. You got me. I got someone else. You never know what to expect. Yeah. I expect to never have expectations. Yeah. I think the voicemails are my favorite too. I think we're going to just keep going get weirder, get creepier. But that's what we do here.

20:47So up next, we're going to check out one of the greatest. This is a favorite. This one's called doppelganger. And it's from episode two. So let's check it out. How we'll do this is all just basically just had you kind of, you know, run the story from the top. Sure. And then I might ask you questions every now and then to go for it. Yeah. Go for it, man. Definitely. Let me see. I found this desk. If you're like this far away from the mic, so kind of close. Yeah. I feel you. Yeah. Sounds good. I think it would have been 2010 or 11 maybe something like that. One of my first apartments. I was with the girlfriend. I was with in college. We were living in New York City on the Upper West Side. Me, my girlfriend, and then like four of her friends in one of mine. We went to a place called dive 75 to dive bar, like a nice dive bar in New York City. One of her friends had just gotten engaged. Girl named Michelle. We couldn't go to the engagement party because we had been at work. So we went to like the drinks after the engagement party type of thing. You know, when you move somewhere with a girlfriend and it's like you have the first bubble of the first few months where it's like new place, new things to do, new restaurants to try.

21:57So kind of like reinvigorates things. We were like in a really good place. We were going out for drinks a lot. We were going out to dinner a lot. Honestly, it was kind of at a high point. Like at that moment, we had like just moved to the city together. We were like feeling optimistic about things. Yeah. There wasn't anything to indicate. Anger at each other, especially in that moment. We got a little drunk, but not crazy drunk. We walked back home. Just probably 10 blocks or so, 10 or 12 blocks. I think we sang some songs walking home. Like we were singing Billy Joel because he'd been playing at the bar. Got back to the house. I took a shower because I hadn't come home from work yet. And she had put on the office in the room. We just like got in bed, watch the office and that passed out probably after 20, 30 minutes. It's pretty uneventful, honestly. So I woke up probably noon.

22:59I got out of bed, made coffee, put on the TV. My girlfriend, she wasn't there when I woke up. She didn't have a regular schedule. So she would like sometimes pop off and go to meetings or be at work. It wasn't like weird for her to not be there. I was like sitting there for a little while and then I went downstairs to go have a cigarette. I lit it and then I didn't see anything. I heard high heels coming from behind me. You know, it's a sidewalk in New York City. You hear people walking all the time. She kind of like pushed me on the shoulder like that. So I turned around and it was my girlfriend. I was really confused at first why she was wearing the clothes she was wearing. She was wearing black heels and black skinny jeans and I can't remember what color the shirt was but a leather jacket over it. I didn't recognize the clothes. They weren't like clothes that I knew of her tone. What stood out was that it wasn't something she would be wearing in the morning.

24:00You know, she was wearing nightclub clothes at noon. So I was just kind of like, hey, where are you coming from? And then she was just like, go fuck yourself. How fucking could you? Just like a myriad of insults kind of one after the other. She didn't stop and like yell at me. She just kind of like walked past me to the door, turning and yelling at me as she was doing so. I think she called me an asshole and was like, you're a fucking piece of shit. And then turn around and start going towards the front door of the building. And then just like typed in the code on the door and opened the door. So I like followed her up the stairs, you know, confused as shit. I'm thinking like maybe she, I don't know, saw text to somebody and misunderstood what I was saying or like someone had called me or something like that and she picked up and it was a wrong number. But she got pissed about it. I don't know what the fuck was going on. I wasn't cheating on her like there was nothing for her to be mad about. But you know, my mind is racing trying to figure out what the fuck it could be. So I like immediately got up and was like, what are you talking about?

25:01You know, what's going on? So I was following her up like trying to get her to explain what the fuck was going on. And she wasn't really saying anything. Things were perfect last night like what's going on? Like how from the course of like, you know, us going to sleep. I was honestly starting to get pissed because she wasn't talking to me. Because at some point like you can't just be mad. You have to tell me why you're mad. You can't just call me an asshole and then not tell me why I'm a fucking asshole. She took out keys from her bag and went into my apartment. In the living room, there was a kind of dresser where she kept some of her stuff. So she started taking out her clothes and putting them in another bag that she had. Started like stuffing shit in there and the whole time she's like calling me name. She still isn't telling me what I did wrong. She's just being like, I know what you did, you know what you did. Like I don't have to fucking tell you anything. We're in the bedroom and like grab something from the bedroom and came out. And like I tried to block the door so she grabbed a coffee mug and threw it at me. You know those little plastic potted succulent things that are like fake that you can get it? Ikea and shit. She like picked one of those up and threw it and hit the TV with it.

26:05And then she just like stormed out and like left. So I followed her downstairs. Yeah, my way. And so we get downstairs and she like hailed a cab. Open the door of the cab, turn around and said, fuck you. Got in the cab and the cab drove off. I thought my girlfriend was breaking up with me. So I was like heartbroken. Maybe four seconds and that's when I felt someone just hugged me. Arms like around my belly from behind. I was already in like a kind of emotional place like feeling angry and sort of scared. And so then to have someone like walk up and like hug you from behind, scared the shit out of me. I jumped. I got very confused and scared all of a sudden. And I was like, who the fuck is that? So I turned around and it was my girlfriend. I had just seen her get in a car and then she was standing behind me in the span of like five seconds.

27:06That just scared the shit out of me. I was terrified. I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? How could she have tricked me somehow and gone from the cab to being behind me? I was just so confused. Like could she have snuck out the other door and like crawled along the side of the car is like really fast. It was like radio static in my head after that. It went from like scared like scared of losing something to scared like scared scary scared. Am I like going crazy? Am I losing my mind? Did I just make up some experience in my head? I was like completely out of it. And she started freaking out. You know, she was like, what's wrong? Like what's going on? I kind of felt bad for not saying anything right away. I was just so, I don't know. I was really fucking thrown off. Just the white wash all the sudden of big emotion to nothing and then adding on top of that, not being able to logically put together what had just happened.

28:08Not even just the emotional like swing of it, but like the I can't connect A and B in my brain. My brain was kind of like overloaded trying to figure itself out. It took some time for me to actually start being like, okay, how can we rationalize this? The first like actionable thought I had was I'm going to go like make sure my room is still fucked up. Because otherwise I was like, I need to go check myself into a hospital. In the next five minutes, I didn't even really hear anything she said. I wasn't listening to anything. I just went straight back upstairs to like look at the apartment. The door to my apartment was still open. The corner of the TV screen was broken. And the succulent thing was still on the ground. The coffee mug pieces were still all over the living room floor. There were clothes like all over the floor in front of that dresser in the living room. The dresser drawers were still open and the gym back was gone.

29:11The shit in the apartment was still broken and there was still shit on the floor. All the stuff that I had seen happen upstairs, all the physical evidence of it was still there. I felt comforted for a second of like, oh shit, cool, it did happen to like wait, no what the fuck that just happened. Confirming that something happened and it was almost relieving and then it was like even more stressful now that I had to confirm that that had happened. The first it was like what's wrong with you, like what happened? Like I'm worried about you. And then when she walked into the apartment, she was like what the fuck happened? She's like what happened to my stuff? Where's my clothes? Like what the fuck is going on? Her stuff had been taken from the drawers, her stuff, her clothes were on the floor. That was when she really had a freak out. She was like did we get robbed? Like someone break in? I was like I don't know. I didn't really know how to answer that because like yes someone had just broken in and taken your shit but it was you. You know like how do you say that to someone and not sound like you're fucking crazy?

30:14So I was like trying to half answer questions. I remember being like she was like did someone break in and I was like kind of... And she was like what do you mean kind of like what happened? And I was like someone came and took stuff. She's like so someone broke in and I was like no they had keys. She thought I was kidding. She thought I was fucking with her. She thought this was all some prank and that I had like put her clothes on the floor and I was trying to freak her out. And then when she saw the security footage was when she thought I was cheating on her. The security camera footage. They just showed us on a computer in the office like at the apartment building. It's a security camera like up in a corner where the fisheye lens. So you don't really get like great shots of people's facial features. But you could very clearly see a woman exactly wearing what I described. Who looked I held up a lot like my girlfriend. She had keys. Keys to my apartment. My unique specific apartment like she pulled out a set of keys from the back she was carrying and opened the door of my apartment with the keys and went inside.

31:19For me it was proof that I had experienced what I had experienced. And because I had been standing there in front of this girl like two feet away from her looking her in the face. I know exactly who it was. If it had gone so fast that I couldn't say definitively that it was her or something like that I would be in a totally different mindset about it. But this was like a real person who was standing right in front of me who I touched physically and who broke shit in my apartment. 100% for certain was my girlfriend. Physical characteristics, top to bottom, height build weight, face everything. That was her. That whole couple of next hours felt like really slow and really fast at the same time. It was really weird. She was trying to convince herself that I hadn't cheated on her and I was trying to convince myself that she wasn't pulling some kind of like trick on me. I think because it was so kind of inexplicable it's hard to not let the negative things come first because it feels like you've been tricked somehow.

32:21It feels like you've been like lied to or something like that. Your brain just kind of immediately goes to like a defensive place. I have no belief that it was anything other than a human being and a very real one. I just can't explain how there was both situations that happened that quickly. So her dad, he was a lieutenant in the NYPUDY and he had been like forever. So when she called him and was like freaking out like someone was in my apartment and took my shit. Him and like two of his detectives from his precinct and they came and they did like the security camera footage they took it with them. They did fingerprints which I know is not like a normal thing to do in that situation but like her dad working for NYPD. He was freak the fuck out because his daughter's freak the fuck out. The only shit I'm a locks on the door knobs word me in her. For her she was like accusing me of cheating on her and shit and I was like it's just your fingerprints and my fingerprints on the door knob.

33:23Just me and her. It gave me like a little bit of peace of mind but again it was one of those swings of like peace of mind because I've been proven right but now like what the fuck. What does that mean? They spent like three hours with the security guy and they were like knocking on doors of other people and other apartments in the building and other people had heard like screaming like around that time. They went all out trying to figure out what the fuck had happened because he thought same thing she thought that someone was like trying to pose his daughter or something. It was a very strange afternoon of like trying to explain to her father who like didn't like me. He was the one who thought I was cheating on her like he thought some other girl had come over and like flipped the fuck out. It was kind of a strange afternoon hanging out with your girlfriend's dad who nothing's cheating on his daughter. He was like he was trying to prove that I was like a piece of shit like he was like you need to break up with this kid like I'm gonna prove it to you. Like I think that's why I got taken so far was because he wanted to pin this on me because he was like now your story's bullshit like it's obviously makes no sense.

34:27Like I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure my daughter knows you're a crazy person. He couldn't prove that I had done anything wrong. Like his findings were that everything I said was impossible but impossible to prove was untrue. The girl who was there first who was angry at me was my girlfriend and the one who hugged me from behind was also my girlfriend. Like they were both the same person. I don't know how they were in those two places at the same time. I don't know why they were in different emotional states but it was the same person. There's very few I've told it's been a mixture of people being like oh it's a cool story man like you know like that's really interesting like you should write a TV show you know like I live in fucking L.A. That's what people say. And then I've had people be like yeah it's bullshit. I've probably only told like maybe 10 people because I think I sound crazy. It's really more my own insecurity about the story than anything else like I'm sure that like there are plenty of people in my own home.

35:27I'm sure that if I told they would still like love me and not judge me or anything but you know it's like the human nature to be worried about that stuff so. I just haven't really shared the story because I think it sounds crazy. I used to watch ghost hunters or whatever the fuck it's called with my friends and we would like make fun of them and we would like get drunk and play drinking games on like when we could catch them faking stuff. You know like I always thought that stuff was a joke like I never took it seriously. Top to bottom I think that everything in this world is perfectly explainable. That's just one thing I personally can't explain. I think anyone who wants to buy into theories of supernatural stuff is welcome to do so. I don't believe in any of it except for when it's again the only thing that I it's like kind of the last thing you know it's like everything else all the logical stuff I've tried to explain and it just couldn't. So at some point it's kind of is the only thing you have left over. I still like hope deep down that there's some like scientific explanation of what happened that's very real you know.

36:32One of my very good family friends was a professor in New York City and he teaches physics. So I went and talked to him and I was I just kind of told him the story and I was like I know it's crazy you don't have to believe the fucking word I said. He's like no it makes sense. I was like no it doesn't he's like no no like it kind of does like in the theoretical world of like how it could happen. My recollection was that he said that it's possible for realities to overlap with each other briefly or something like that. He wasn't saying that this is like what happened and neither was I. It was just like an interesting explanation that someone had given me that I trust. That I like more than a guest like that explanation more than they're being against. Like a different timeline in which something actually did happen where she had perfectly good reason to be mad at me in which we were still together. And for some brief moment they overlapped with each other so I experienced both then she went back to hers.

37:34You know it was like an overlap essentially. I told this to a friend of mine who I you know told about this story and they were like yeah I don't believe you. I was like yeah it's cool man. It's like totally fine. They were like alright cool. And I honestly I wouldn't believe me there if I was you know myself listening to this. I got nothing to gain from this like I'm not trying to convince anyone everything. I wouldn't believe myself like if I was listening to this podcast right now in the other end I'd be like yeah this gets full of shit. I don't care like I really don't. You can believe it or not your days your life's gonna be the same either way. It's like it really doesn't matter man. Like I'm not gonna defend it and like because I think it's crazy too. It happened to me and I know it's true so I don't I don't need anyone else to believe it. It doesn't change anything for me. People asking me like have you ever found the security camera footage and I was like no I saw when it happened because they have it like at the building at the security desk.

38:39But I never asked for a copy and people are like oh have you ever tracked down the police report. Yeah well not even debunking it I think people wanted like hard proof and I was like you know honestly like after it happened it wasn't one of those things where I became so fascinated I needed to figure it out. It was just kind of a it was just like what the fuck just happened and then it took a long time of just being like what the fuck to even be able to be like that was really weird. You know like there's kind of like a fog after of just like it didn't make sense but I wasn't willing to like try and wrap my brain around it. Yeah you're not one of these reddit detectives who's just jumping into we're gonna solve this. Yeah well and also it's more jarring to you than anything else right. Well it was more jarring to the acts like the girl I was with at the time because she was she was fucking terrified. Like she was freaking the fuck out her dad worked for the police in New York and so like you know he sent cops over to the house and like they were freaking out like they didn't know who it was. And like there was never a point where you could see like I stand by the fact that it was definitely her like the face and everything but there's never a point on cameras where you were able to see like definitively it was her.

39:40So like my my closest explanation honestly man is that like I just had a moment or something I don't know or she mistook me for someone else and I mistook for her someone else because I can't think of anything else. But I'm like I don't have any history of mental illness I don't have any history of drug use so it's just like a it was just fucking weird it was really fucking weird. It is fucking weird. Yeah. Nailed it. Awesome. Awesome dude. Thanks man. Thank you. Yeah. That was fun. That's crazy man. Thanks for listening to you. So dude still doesn't know what happened. We believe you but it's crazy it's weird. We get it. We've all been through some weird shit that no one believes. It's frustrating itself but I mean at least he's got some video proof so I know he wasn't like tripping off the shrooms or something crazy. It really happened. So if you ever figure it out man hit us up. We'd love to know. Dude that that was insane. Like I hope his girlfriend believes him at some point you know or I don't know maybe what about you like would you date two versions of your you know.

40:46Absolutely not. Is that too much you know. Yes. I don't know. What do you want two versions that the good one and the you want to read. Yeah one and done. Yeah what about you guys what do you guys think you know is that is that something be interested in or not who knows. But while you think about that let's take a little break and we'll be back. Alright guys it's been it for today it's been fun always appreciate it but we actually have radio rental volume 12 coming up. October 2nd. Don't want to miss this. I mean for me working on the show for several years it's the weirdest stuff I've seen the scariest stuff the creepiest stuff. So if it's scaring me it's scaring us it's going to scare you guys and we can't wait. So October 2nd and we'll see you then later.