Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 113:  Live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City

0:00This is exactly right. Welcome aboard season six of the Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch, but you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to the Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, everybody. Amy Robock and TJ Holmes here from the Amy and TJ podcast. A lot of times, the story of the day is what we're all talking about and buzzing about. And yes, sometimes it's love island and sometimes it's serena ropes.

1:01Coming back to the US Open, sometimes it's obsession and Spider-Man making box office history. Hopefully, Rose, people get our point. Listen to Amy and TJ on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people survived what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My city love.

2:04Hello. Hello. And welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new commentary and case updates and general chitter chatter. Today, we're rewinding to episode 113, which we named live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City. We recorded this live in Salt Lake City and this episode came out on March 22nd, 2018. Let's listen to the intro of episode 113. What's up Salt Lake City?

3:10Yes. We've got to choreograph that dance. Yes. Got to. So, some day, hi best friends. What's up? Hi. There is so many opportunities for screaming at these shows. Shit. It's the best. Loving it. It looks like there's a ghost walking somewhere to their seat up there. Do you guys have ghost stashers here? Because we did not approve that. Is that the undead screaming in the back? What's happening? Oh, here's zombie contingent tonight. Yeah. We love it. They're like, there haven't been zombies in this theater for 24 views. That's right. I'm pulling out all the hits for the live show. Since 1990. Thanks. I just want to point this out really quick. I stopped curling my hair right about here.

4:14Do you sell? I was just like, this sucks. I'm bored. If you can't see it, right? Then who fucking... It doesn't... Then it's not there. Just always keep your head real turned. Don't let anybody come up on your hind corridor at all. Just keep it... Hey, hey! Keep it to the ferrofocid area. You wanted me to remind you live corrections corner. Oh, you want to do it right off the top? Oh, do you? Fresh and sure. I guess I do. Guys, so the episode dropped today and... Oh, thanks. Thank you. It happens every Thursday. Thank you. It's easy. You can do it yourself. It's just you just uploaded onto a computer. It's crazy. You just got yourself a student. They can do everything. See that? No, he's not here. He's not here. He's not here. Although...

5:15Yeah, no, we don't bring him. But... Doesn't it look like someone standing under here? We brought Steven's favorite skirt to use as the table cover. He's very shy, so he's bent at the waist under this table. Ow! Ow! We need a moment of silence for the relationship between Jennifer and Aniston. Jennifer and Aniston and... Oh, what's his face? Right. We'll just call him Matt. We'll just call him Matt from now on. Matt. Matt? Matt. Oh. They're just in something. It doesn't matter anymore. He looks really good on her arm, I must say. I never bought it. No? But then there's this already... Already, it came out today that they're breaking up and then it's like everyone's rooting for a Brad Pitt and Jennifer and Aniston back together. Nobody cares. Nobody is. And what if every fucking time you broke up with someone, everyone was like, remember that guy who cheated on you? 10 fucking years ago? Everyone's hoping you guys get back together.

6:16Mary, him for the second mistake in time. You know how he has 10 kids? Everyone wants you to get back together with him. Being a stepmom to 10 is amazing. Buck that shit. Did I ever tell you the story that I know that's the secret Burbank story? No. Okay, this day is here in the vault. SLC. SLC, you're in the vault now. Can I trust you? With a secret? It's not really a secret. It's a thrift store on Riverside in Burbank. And the word on the street is, you know, it's the American Heart and Long Association thrift store. All the old ladies are just fucking smoking butts all day. But the word on the street is that because it's the one that's the closest to the Warner Bros. Studios where they shot television show friends. And when it first came out that Brad Pitt was cheating on

7:20Jennifer Aniston with Angelina Jolie when they were shooting, some wonderful film in like In Greece or somewhere. It was that Greek one, yeah, we know. Let's not talk about it. Um, she took all of his clothes out of his mansion closet and drove it on down to the American Heart and Long Association thrift store and dropped every item of clothing. At this, now it's Brad Pitt's clothes. So they're all $11,000 shirts and they smell incredible. They smell. I always just bought them to salay face down in a pile of. No, I wouldn't. Vince, I wouldn't have done that. They're like, do you want to smell what luck smells like? Yeah, and so for normally, there's a lot of wicker chairs for sale in this thrift store. And then some paperback books by James Patterson, God bless us all. But then for like, I'm sure eight wonderful days, it was just filled with like,

8:24the highest and clothing. That's all I can guess. That's high and Hugo Boss. What's high and men's clothing or money? Michael Cores. We'll name everything we've seen in Macy's. North Somrack. What are they all? That's all I know. Cole Han, slip on shoes. There you go. What about your outfit? Well, talk about it a little bit. I like shop vintage stores. Thank you because I don't know any names and designers and now no one can fucking blame me for my cheap shit because it's old. It's vintage. It's old. It's fine. That's right. So this is an old dress. Thank you. I'll get walking down down the rug. Yeah. Yeah. They love it. Oh, a full square. She's doing square footage. Loving it. It's a new run. You just invented the new runway. It's a big, gorgeous rectangle of rug. On a gorgeous rug. Oriental rug.

9:25Oriental rug. We demand it. Thank you whoever brought this from home. We really appreciate you. Letting your foyer go bear for us this evening. While we enjoy touching it and loving it. It'll be for sale outside in the lobby after the show. What are you wearing? Uh-uh. No, I almost said, what are you doing? What are you doing over there? What are you doing over there? Well, I can't find shirts that fit me and I don't try to find them. I was going to buy, I swear to god, like nine o'clock at CVS. I was going to buy a black shirt that said Burbank on the front of the... Represent. Because I'm a joke. It'll be fine. Don't worry about it. This is actually our... Oh, this is the last weekend away of this tour I just realized. That's... We're capping it off at SLC. Don't forget this show's here.

10:26It's a fucking show's here. Yes. Yes. University of Utah. You guys are the ones... This show... We're doing two shows here because last... The first show last night, tomorrow night. Where are we? Sometime this week. Uh, it's sold out already. So you guys are the ones who didn't wake up early. But die of. And then email... Put us on Twitter saying, I don't know the show. It's sold out. Yeah. In Grietta. So that's what we did for you. Well done. Thank you for advocacy. We only listen to anger. Thank you for using your anger constructively. That's what we mean. Use it to bring us places. That's the way to do it. Oh, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. That's right. This is Karen Kilgara. This is Georgia Hardstar. Thank you. Lots of screaming time. Where are the two voices in your head while you drive or work

11:28or are supposed to be doing something else? That's right. I wrote down on this piece of paper to talk about... smell like a rave. Because a rave? Rave. The R shampoo and things in the hotel room. It smells like me when I would go to raves. Uh-oh. It's just this like a Victoria's secret body spray smell. Uh-uh. It smells like grinding teeth. Yeah. What is that? Choose powder? The powder of my own molars? When you got the first wave of the smell of raves, what was your first emotional reaction to that smell? Yeah. Uh-huh. No. And then... Deep. Deep. And then... Online is feedback. How do we both know delight perfectly at the music? Because my friend Dave Mesmer, one time when we were in uh, fake college, uh, I dropped out.

12:29I met him at the JC in the drama department. He didn't uh, claim to be gay yet, but he had the huge exposure of Madonna on his apartment wall. That when I walked in, I went, oh no. Oh no. Were you hoping to make out and then you're like, gosh, shit. Fuck, fuck, whatever. But uh, he is my lifelong best friend and um... Wait, what? I thought... I thought I was. Do you know me two years? Whoops! I thought I was your lifelong. You have actually pulled ahead of most people. Ah! Ah! I mean, it's not hard really to fucking Hollywood. It's like everyone's the worst person. There's, I mean, I had the choice of her or her husband Vince. That was pretty much it in terms of quality people in Los Angeles. Should we tell them where three of us did for Valentine's Day last night? Yeah. We were, we got a record on Valentine's Day and then I was like,

13:29we were talking at like two and we're like, let's do it early. I'm like, what if Steven has Valentine's Day plans? And then it turns out none of us have Valentine's Day plans. Well, this is, this is the best Steven goes. We go, so that was where we're leaving us. I think we should have them stay and like he pizza or whatever, you know, for Valentine's Day until he asked you and you're like, right. And then we're like, yes. Fine. And then we asked Steven and we're like, you gotta pause. We're like, oh, do you have a day? And he's like, I have to work on this podcast before I... He had to go home and cut out all the bullshit dumb parts. Not fix the date. Yeah. Yeah. His date was work with us. Like, it's like two meanest girls in his life. Immediately. We were like, bye, have a good night. Go, go. Get out of here. Yep. I gave him some, one of those chocolate things that we love. But guys. Oh yeah, we got some but guys. So he's fine. He was fine. But guys from Ohio, right? Yeah.

14:30Yeah, you guys know. All right, so we were just to know Ohio and people gave us repeatedly everywhere we went. Humongous balls of peanut butter covered in chocolate and it would be like in a Tupperware container or whatever. It would be like, I had my mother make these for you all night last night. We don't question it. We just fucking eat that. We just fucking plow them down. Oh, should we sit down? Yeah, we might as well. Oh, look at this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay over here. Are you going to go way over there? Yeah. Okay. Look at this teeny tiny. I mean, look at this little kiss. This is one of the safest heights you can sit out at a cocktail table. I guess I heard that in Utah they don't let you sit any higher than this after. That's right. Try to conquer midnight. You're not allowed to sit over eight inches above the plane of the table. This is so if you get secretly drunk at your house, you can just put your head on that table.

15:32No, go ahead. I'm listening. I'm listening to your story. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna wear this. You should make this into a beautiful skirt and wear it here. This is actually, this might be the solution to my dress problem. Yeah. I just slip it over my shoes. Yeah. And then I walk out like it's fucking mum and chance type of shit. Here, they gave you this. You could make this into a tube top. That's gorgeous. What is this? Some sort of cloth that they cut from a drape? Yeah. Yeah, I know theater terms. I'm of the theater. Oh, the end of that Dave story. Oh yeah, that's right. My second best friend in the world is we were at a party one night. We got insanely high to the point where we could only sit on the couch. And I was definitely having a panic attack for sure. But I hadn't had one before. So I was just like, it's all ending now. That's so young. And then I realized I wasn't dying. It was just that Dave wouldn't stop lip syncing the Delight album.

16:33From the side. She was like, just like lip syncing people when you're fucking really high. Yeah. So he was just like, She was just like, please don't make me. That's not even a good Delight song either. You don't mean it. No, it's just the first one. And then he continued to do it for the rest. Oh, Jesus Christ. Look, I'm not here to complain about Dave. I am. I am. That's what your murder is? A Dave. Oh, you didn't know I killed him real quick. I took care of Dave for you. Dave Mesmer, everybody. I'm going to kill him. Oh, I feel like we should think, even though they probably didn't do it, that this place caught Ted Bundy. So thanks, Utah. Salt Lake City. Oh, thanks, guys. I missed the verb caught. Oh, caught. But I thought it happened in Florida.

17:34No, he has, well, he got out. He escaped from here, right? Oh, I see. When he jumped out of the jail window and then ran up the hill. No, it's a different time. Hi. He's got from Colorado. Sorry, hold on a second. She's still yelling. And she started by, she goes, hi, I'm Celine Beck. Oh, shit. You're the documentary filmmaker. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. I didn't even, I didn't go. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I thought it was just an audience member that's like, you need to know my first and last name before I tell you. Ted Bundy facts. Holy shit. Here. There's Vince. Thank you. Get over here. Get over here. See, then, is Adam's friend? I'm not a guy. He told us you're coming tomorrow night. And so that's why we didn't know. How did he know?

18:34This was a secret. Oh, but you immediately started yelling the second you had the chance. I know the rules. But as soon as you said Ted Bundy escaped from here, I was like, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you. Just say it. How do we get it wrong just now? So Ted escaped twice from Colorado. OK. From here. The second time is when he went to Ann Arbor, and then went to Florida for his final killings. Girl. Tell everyone what you do and what's happening. Just find out. I know, but maybe they didn't catch up today. It's so exciting. It's so exciting. Hi. So I'm the director of Biodor, the documentary. That's going to be fun. Oh. Oh. That's great. You're doing awesome. I thought you were talking to Ryan. That's a great idea. I thought you were talking to Ryan. I was like, what the fuck. Oh, so all everyone here has been tweeting at me, but I didn't want to say that I was coming tonight. Oh. So hi. Hi. That's what you introduced yourself. Yeah. That's what I wanted to tell you. I feel bad. That's great. Good for so long. OK.

19:34Thank you. Bye. Is she leaving? I don't know. OK. You're going to stay for the show, right? Oh, fuck yeah. OK. This is what we have. If we have any questions, we'll ask you. We know you think. You were like, and her name is Selene, and I'm like, oh, shit. Wait. That was the best thing of all time. I just thought it was like she was basically like it thought she was at a town hall meeting, where she's like, hello, I'm Selene Beck. And I'm on the actors' track. I just want to let you know you're pretty much wrong about everything all the time. OK. Thanks for podcasting. Perfection. We missed some shit sometimes. I mean, could you imagine if people made documentaries where they were, it was like, and then did Bunny 10 years after he actually did the thing? I just got everything wrong. Yep. Do a follow-up documentary. OK, here's the stuff we should have looked at a little closer. Listen. Look. Listen.

20:34Look. We're not perfectionists. It's certainly. And we're back. That was a fun one, all the way back in 2018. What a weird mile marker that we all live by, at least in my generation, of Jennifer Aniston's relationship. Totally. We're just waiting and hoping for her to find love. I feel like Justin Thoreau. And maybe it's just because he's friends with Amy Stadaris. I'm like, he has to be the best person ever, right? Yes. Well, and what's weird is, I remember the first movie I saw him in. And I was like, who's this hot, hunk, newest hunk of the week? I do think that I don't know why actors marry each other. Yeah. Just don't do that. No. It's not going to work. Of course, you're attracted to each other. You're both really hot. And dramatic and fun and excitement everywhere. Yes. Especially if you're successful and like, you know, totally. Like not to be insulting. You have to be a little bit unhinged to be

21:37A in the entertainment industry, B in actor actress. Like that's kind of fully part of what it takes to like pretend to be someone totally different. Yeah, you need a grounded earth sign for your insanity. Sorry to be that way. I don't even know what that means. I love when you see like such and such like Reese Witherspoon and her fucking bank executive boyfriend or her fucking architect has finance, but finance for like, yes. I guess the point is if Jennifer Aniston can't find love, it is their hope for humanity, you know, if we do enough Pilates and drink enough smart water. Here's the good news. That American Heart Association thrift store is still alive and probably thriving now more than ever on Riverside. I just drove by at the other day. We've got to go. We've got to stop in. We've got to. There's anything left from him. I got an incredible couch there that was very Laura Ingalls Wilder, but it fit for what kind of weird thing I was doing in my office at the time.

22:38Big old, very comfortable to lay on old couch. Do you ever think and thank your lucky stars that we, neither of us, well, me at least you could tell me yourself. Never got fed bugs or skabies or at life from all the grids right now. I've always had skabies from all the thrifting we've done. Like, oh, yeah, there is no reason for real. It's like, well, I think it's because my mother always washed everything in extra hot and would say you're going to get skabies shopping at thrift stores. Yeah. So you kept an eye out and I said, you're a classist. You're like, I'm actually going to give the thrift store skabies. So I'm bringing the filth to the same sense and pull. So fuck everybody. Moths. I definitely have moths. Like, I've inherited some Mimas moths for sure. I have some moths right now because I just pulled a coat, a very old coat out of the back of a closet to do a closet

23:41like swipe through. And this thing was covered in these things where I was like, there's only one thing it could be. Yeah. And I tell you how satisfying it is they have these, like, they're plug-in sticky papers with like a blue light. So all the bugs are attracted to it and get on the sticky paper or fucking RIP, sorry, paid at PETA. It is so satisfying to pick that up and see all the little critters that were going to have flying your mouth while you're sleeping. And it's dead on you. So good. It's so satisfying. It's really good. Yeah. Also, I don't think PETA extends their well-lices to the insect community. That's the only animal I feel comfortable hating is in I love insects. Clearly I killed them all. What else? Did we cover it? What else did we not talk about? 20, 28. Victory is sacred bodies, pray. We should have done, you know what we should do on a fan call is a bunch of if we can get a hold of them 90s per fuse identifying scent test. Mine was apple.

24:41Yes. Happy by clinic. Oh, happy by clinic. We got to put poison, poison, Christian deor's poison, which I have an amazing, I probably have told you this, but my friend Amy Dirty that I went to high school with got her knee wrecked in like when she was a senior and she was going into the emergency room and she was wearing poison perfume. The admitting nurse goes, what the hell are you wear? Take that off. Never wear that again. I got like super mad at her. Oh, I love it. Like also telling a nurse you're wearing poison. She's like what? What? That doesn't make any sense. Get out of here. Get out of here. It was the time for dramatic colognes and perfumes. Gina Tay. A kiss. Oh, I just remembered what it is. Sunflower. Oh, yeah. Remember sunflower that I did that and then I went to happy. Oh, I would love to smell that right now. CK1, we have to do CK1. How many boys did you love and then you realized you just love that CK1?

25:41That's how you really love. There was a guy one called Choup. Choup. And that one. Choup. Remember the commercials from Choup? Oh, my God. And it's looking up right now. Now we have to find evidence. We have to add. If we do that for the fan coat, then we also have to add in sweet honesty just like as a wild car. Oh, yes. As a smeller. Yeah, Molly, are you getting all this? Well, it's on. It's on. That's right. Someone's listening. Did you know this whole time for 10 years? Sure. No, it's been recorded. No. What about Liz Clayborn perfume in the triangle? Yeah. That was mine for a long time. All right. We could go on and on. We've done it. We've done it. That's, and there's Joupe for Om as well. Om for him. Om. Om. Om. Om Joupe in a way, too. Om Joupe. Okay. All right. We've done it. Let's get into this. Okay. We're, we're fucking off on a live show. This is unprecedented. Truly. All right. Well, let's get into the stories. Shall we? These are good ones. That's right. I'm going to talk to the live show.

26:42I remember this being a really fun show. And I have the best memories of Salt Lake City performing there. Salt Lake City was, I don't know what I was expecting, but they were so with us like right in lockstep with us. It was all college kids. So it was just like, and teachers and stuff. So it was so much fun. Yeah. It felt so good. No, I totally remember. The second I saw that it was the, that library story. I was like, oh yeah. Yeah. This was great. Well, we're going to get into it now. Georgia had to go first this time. So this is Georgia's story about Ronnie Lee Gardner. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific corn artist. They take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that. Trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends.

27:42Trust me, babe. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I go first, right? Do you? I. Yes. Yes. Did you go first? Yes. Yes. Yes. OK. Yeah, I went first today. We've actually just caught up with ourselves. Podcasting wise. What? It's today today. It's today in this world. Back. All right. Could we have some oxygen roll down onto the stage? So we heard them. People have fainted on this stage. Yeah. My head is a little warm right now, actually. I want to do it. Do it. Go down in the middle of this story. I'll do it. I'm here for it. What if I have to pee? And so I just pretend to faint so I can go pee. And then come back. If you fake a seizure, you can pee during it. Oh. Yeah. That's what happens. Great. Great. Grandmall baby.

28:42Let it all go. What if I actually have a seizure now and everyone thinks I'm faking? Come on. Because this isn't going to work. Just roll you up in this carpet. OK. This is, if anything happened to us, we would just be taking off the stage and Celine would be right up there in one fucking second. She's actually happened to have a PowerPoint presentation of all the times they've been wrong. That's exciting. It is. This is the story of the murderer, Ronnie Lee Gardner, Utah. What a dick. Is this guy a real dick? He's a real dick. OK. All right. This guy, Ronnie Lee Gardner, he's born in Salt Lake City, Utah. You've heard of it. On January 16, 1961. Great. There we are. OK. He gets offensive about it. I'm establishing a time in a place. I see. He is the youngest of seven fucking children.

29:44Not where you want to be. His father's a heavy drinker. And when Ronnie's a toddler, he's like, you know what? I'm going to start over and try this again. And he leaves to start a new family. Oh, you gave it a shot. And it didn't work. So maybe you shouldn't keep trying. Yeah, get out of the family business and go into mattresses or something. Right. It's not working for you. You tried seven times. Yes. So soon after that, Ronnie, OK, Ronnie is an asshole. We hate him. However, he had really no chance not to be based on his childhood. I mean, it's bad. OK. Let's do it. Soon after, little baby Ronnie is found wandering the streets in a diaper, malnourished. What? Just fucking walked away the way he used to do. But it was funny when you did it. That's right. Because I'd like pig tails. Yeah. And you were in the country. And you were like supervised. Yeah, that's true. It was lightly supervised. Right. It was, you were in 1970, something supervised. Right. Which meant a truck drove by everyone's in a wild.

30:45Which now would be child neglect. But back then, it was how you parent. Oh, wait. So how old was he when this happened? He is a toddler. Oh, OK. Yeah. Child welfare comes in and does a fail to care, petition, takes him into custody, but later return him to his mother. And according to Ronnie, he was raised by an older sister, and also he was sexually abused by his siblings. Sometimes he and his sister, Bonnie, would run away and seek refuge. They'd be like, this home life sucks. Let's go somewhere safe. By the time he's 10 years old, Ronnie is addicted to drugs, and he's allowed to have alcohol. 10? Which like my mom bought me Zima to try when I was 12. So mom, it's your fault. All of this is your fault. I made myself a wine spritzer when I was, I think I was in seventh grade. Me and my friend Holly drank our parents liquor and talked on the phone one time. Oh my god. You're just like, let's just do it. Who cares? You thought you were so sophisticated? I need a drink. I am seventh grade.

31:47I'm the youngest alcoholic in my school. Be proud of that. So Ronnie had this, still had a relationship with his father, but it was a really shitty relationship, because his dad didn't think that Ronnie was his biological kid. So he, and he told his son and all the siblings that all the time, which is a great way to raise your kid, or not your kid. He was, he, so Ronnie and his brother were arrested for stealing cowboy boots and taken to juvenile detention, which I think is something you probably would have done. Abs 100, because cowboy boots. Technically, I did steal them off of my sister. Right. I've told this story, but my sister on her fifth, her sixth birthday, my Aunt Jean gave her a pair of red cowboy boots. And when she opened the box, I screamed at the top. My lungs put them on and would not take them off. And then I wore red cowboy boots for like two years straight. Yeah. Finders keepers. That's right. Screamers keepers.

32:49So they go to juvenile detention. And his father, his stupid father comes and takes his brother home, but won't take him home, because he's like, he's not my son. I'm not bailing him out. That's right. So like, yeah. So Ronnie's mom eventually marries another man. And they have nine kilograms. What? In the. Yo! Catholics? In Utah? Does that even happen? OK. But Ronnie actually admired his stepfather, because he had been in prison in the past. And he used his step sons as lookouts, while burglarizing homes. Good. Yes. You've got to get a whole family. Like a thing going. What is everybody like? Do you like to play Uno? Do you like to burglarize your neighbors? Right. Whatever it is. Do you wear as a family? Yes. And then, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, and detention, institutions.

33:49All right. So by his teens, early teens, he had been in all these places locked up. While he's in the Utah State Industrial School in Ogden, Ronnie is visited. Pretty good school. I think it's like a lockup. It's like a juvenile detention school. It's a juvenile school. OK. Ronnie's visited by a man that his brother is, Randy's living with, and he's like, hey, this guy, this older dude is great. His name's Jack Statt. I'm living with him. You should live with him too. Jack Statt? Eat Statt. Like, immediately? Immediately. I just say the word. You know, like, the same word I just said. Yes, Statt. Like, Statt. Like, quickly. In 1975, so Ronnie moves in with Statt. And Jack Statt. And this guy becomes an official foster parent to the boys. And so Ronnie, at the time, is saying that of his foster care, it's the most stable period of his life, saying Jack was a good man,

34:49and he tried to help us out. Jack was also molesting them. And that was still the best home life he's experienced. So it's just fucking sad. It's terrible. He said, I thought life was normal. I thought that was normal. And he said he also worked as a sex worker while living with Statt as well. And he's in his teens? Yeah. So then he meets, I don't know what year exactly, but he meets a woman named Deborah Bischoff or a teen. I don't know how old she was either. I did my homework. They meet in an assault league city apartment complex where his mom lives, and they fall in love. Deborah describes Ronnie as very caring. He never put me through, he never put me in the rough situations. He was in throughout his life. He sheltered me from that stuff. I feel like we got to get our standards a little higher. He doesn't punch me in the face. He doesn't take me along with burglarizing. He keeps me out of that. Because of that, I love him so. Yeah.

35:50In 1977, they have a daughter together. And in 1980, they have a son. But a month after his son is born, Ronnie is convicted of robbery and sent to the Utah State prison. Will she a picture of him? Yes. Good. Oh, I mean, I just could not put this photo up. He looks like Steven there. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. Oh. Yes. Now what you expected, right? Neck tats and she. That happens in court. So he's dressed up this. But also leaning on your fist with your chin like that is Steven Ray Morris to it. Oh my god, it is. That's like how he podcasts records. And then he reaches his fingers out and then strokes his mustache. Like, I'm not fucking even making this up. I'm not even making fun of it. I mean, I am. But he really does it. And then we look over at him and we go to say one thing to him. And he goes, Ha, ha, ha. Steven, Steven, we really like you.

36:50You do. Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day, editing our terrible voices that you're so sick of. So sick of. He missed some pizza and these cheese mozzarella sticks. Yes. So bad. They came with ketchup. But the sticks themselves were perfect cylinders of mozzarella cheese that was fried. Frozen. Like, they came out of a bowl. Look. I mean, I'm not judging. What do you want? Fucking fresh mozzarella sticks. No fucking way. Frozen. Old. From somewhere else. ketchup. Hard to eat. That's what I'm looking for. I ate all of them. Ketchup. Ketchup. You're like, do you remember me? I was eating them alongside you. I'm not judging these things. We got to sell it and then I ate it with my paint on. That's right. Why did I do that? It's kind of how you wrapped up the meal. It's like how you let everyone know we're done doing this. It's like I have to eat my quota of lettuce. Yes. Seven handfuls of lettuce and we're done with dinner.

37:54OK. So that's Ronnie. In August of 1984, while in prison, Ronnie fakes an illness by vomiting. He didn't have a fake seizure. There's so many ways. I mean, he fakes an illness and he's transported the University of Utah Hospital. Is that next door? He's in the basement. He attacks the transportation officer at that moment and is like, fuck this. I'm out of here. He forces the officer to unlock his shackles by telling him, I guess you know that. I guess you know if that doctor comes back, I'll have to kill you both. So he makes him take off his shackles at gunpoint. And then in the course of his escape, he hits the officer so hard that he needed wires to reconstruct his face. Fuck. Yeah. So like, we're not on his side anymore. OK. All empathy has died. Yeah, we had him. Countway Boots is this forgivable thing, then.

38:54I was relating to him in a very serious way right up until you said the word wire. They know. Reconstruct. That's not, come on. That never goes well. OK. Just escape. Yeah. Just fucking escape and let people have their face. Then, so he's like, OK, he got out of the hospital. But he's like, how do I get the fuck out of here? He finds a dude, a medical student, who's like, hey, I'm a medical student, and I write a motorcycle. And he gets on the back of the motorcycle with the guy, holds the gun to his back, and is like, get me the fuck out of here as if it's like fucking James Bond or something. Yes. I have to say I kind of like that because you know that medical student was a cocky motherfucker. So it's just like, yeah, how about if we hold the gun to you every once in a while? He is son of a bitch. And if nothing else, he had the coolest story to tell on Monday. Exactly. You know what I mean? Totally. He's the cool doctor who fucking writes a motorcycle.

39:55Which is like, if you're a doctor and you're doing that, you don't care about yourself. That's right. You're taking your own pills for sure. Because you see what happens to people who write motorcycles and fix them. And then you're like, there are places need reconstruction. That's a serious wire situation. And you're like, I'm going to get one too, though. That's right. That's exactly right. OK. So we've ripped doctors in no one. And everyone who came here on a motorcycle. It's half the crowd as doctors. The other half is from a motorcycle club. They're like, oh, you didn't know this university was a teaching hospital. Almost everyone here is in medicine in some way. Well, when I faint, nobody comes out of me. I'm faking it. Papua Wheeling just blazed on out of the parking lot. Thank you. Later days. Bye. OK. Boop, boop, letter. OK. Buh, buh, buh.

40:55Done. OK. On August 11. So he gets out of there. And then after he escapes, he puts the firearm gun. That's copy and paste it. The gun in and a note into a mailbox. And in it, he writes, here's the gun and the wallet taken from the guard. So he gives the wallet back. He's like, sorry about the face. He didn't apologize for that. Taken from the guard, I don't want to hurt no one else. I just want to be free. So he returns and he's like, just not coming back. Well, that's kind of nice. Right. But then, please, please hold. OK. OK. All right. He's on October 9, 1984. He's fucked up on cocaine. And he goes to a place called Cheers Tavern. Totally forgot to say that it was still there. I like the TV show. Do you have a Cheers remake here? I don't know. Is this the fucking clip or Norman Cliff

41:57like sitting at the end of the bar? And I'm a tronic Norman Cliff? Oh, why isn't that happen yet? Oh, fuck. I'm a Dirt Party at Cheers. Cheers Tavern. Oh, my God. OK. Samalones in the balcony. I'm so excited. And that is mustache. So he goes there to rob the place, right? What? He didn't stash. Samalone. He had a mustache. Are you thinking of the, here's the thing you have Cliff Clave and the mailman? Yeah, he had one, too. Girl, don't do this. OK. Where are we? All right. Well, here, let's stop laughing. OK. He's fucked up on coke. He goes to Rob Cheers Tavern. And he ends up shooting the bartender at Melvin John Otterstrom in the face, killing him. And Ronnie makes up with less than $100 fucking dollars, too. Then Ronnie goes to fucking Melvin John. Otterstrom's funeral and pretends to be a childhood friend. What? What a dick. Like, that to me is like crosses the line between like you

43:00were fucked up and shot someone and you suck. But like, it's just so creepy. It's, no, that's super creepy, yeah. So it's here, about, also, how is that the same guy that puts the wallet back in the fucking mailbox? And it's like, sorry for your trouble. No, it's not, I don't know. That's, wow. Here's a photo of, of, of where did it go. Oh, that's not the right page. So like, basically, he went to this guy's funeral and like mingled enough so that he was telling people who he was. I guess. Fuck. Yeah, this is Melvin John Otterstrom. Boop. Oh, look at Ciannius. And then, OK, so, OK, three weeks later, Ronnie gets captured at the home of his cousin. And once he's captured, Ronnie says that the shooting occurred because Otterstrom had a fight. But investigators didn't find any evidence to support that, which I'm like, it's still your fucking fault, dude. Like, you're going to be put up a fight for his fucking life.

44:01Also, you're on Coke. You don't know what's fucking going on. That's true. Like, every, you, you're, no. Ronnie's held in custody. His getaway driver testifies against him. So during the trial for this murder on April 2nd, 1985, at the metropolis, metropolis, metropolyton. That's right. Fuck. You got it, though. They're charmed. They're chiseled charmed. Wow. Because it looks like metropolis. And then it changed. You know what I mean? Like, it could go either way in the beginning. But it's not. It's metropolitans. You know the metropolis. You know that word I've known for fucking the 37 years I've been on this planet that I just didn't see. Metropolitans, all of justice in Salt Lake City. So Ronnie gets a smugg, someone smuggles him a fucking revolver. A revolver? Yes. A revolver at his trial and Ronnie attempts to escape.

45:06He fucking has his gun. Who did it? We'll get there. OK. OK. He has his gun. He's immediately shot in the chest by guard, the guard, Luther Hensley. But he continues on his fucking escape with a fucking gunshot window the chest. Was he still on code? Probably. OK. He wounds an unarmed bailiff named George Nick Kirk by shooting him in the abdomen and then ran into the courtroom archives where attorneys Rob McRee and Michael Burdel are. So they're just like in the fucking archives being like, boo, boo, boo, boo. We love laws. Let's look at some old ones. Let's see what we can find about this. These stories are incredible. Yeah. Let's memorize every fucking word. Yeah. Like we don't even, we're not even on trial today. Yeah, we're just loving law. Yeah. So Garner, Ronnie comes in, points the gun at them in the knee-aims at Burdel.

46:07He was there looking up shit for his pro bono work for his church. So you couldn't be there for a more honest reason. And Ronnie shoots him in the eye and then runs outside of the building where he's surrounded by dozens of police officers. Police officers. Fuck. Sorry. That was a good one. Police softeners. It's like, it's like, will I? Yeah. For cops. He drops the gun and yells, don't shoot. I don't have a gun. But I'm like, me, that are the fucking people you just shot. Yeah, that's right. You know what I mean? Sorry. This might be a dumb question. The guy that he shot in the eye. You just keep jumping ahead. OK. No, no more. No more from me. He dies. Oh, I know. Sorry. But the bailiff's Nick Kirk survives. However, he dies 11 years later. And it certainly says it's from complications

47:09from the gunshot wound, which I'm like, yeah, you get shot in the gut. You're gonna arrest your fucking lives. So I think I can. Fuck Ronnie. Yes, for sure. During a search of the courthouse then, they find a bag of men's clothing in the basement under a woman's restroom sink. So someone had come in, stash, some clothing, for his getaway. A woman. A woman. And then it's believed that the gun had been taped to a water fountain on the first floor and then passed to Ronnie as he was escorted into the courthouse in the underground parking garage. So they find, they find, they find his girlfriend Darcy. Unarmed and arrested about a mile away. And her sister, Karma, well, Karma? That's what it says. She sentenced to eight years in prison for delivering the clothes and message in preparation for the escape attempt, but they don't know who actually gave him the gun.

48:10So she's got, like, gets prison. Okay. Karma, she gets this girlfriend's sister goes to prison. Yeah, wow. Yeah, that's bullshit. Right. So let's see here. I think I have a photo of this. That's him, the beard on. Oh, it's like my dad. Marty. I kind of looks like our therapist a little bit. She's good. And men. Oh my god. Oh my god. He totally looks like our therapist. It's intention versus, I hear him say, what I'm hearing your experiences. Can you turn to Karen and say that? No, why? It's awkward. That's the best worst part of our therapy sessions. If we're, like, saying something meaningful, and then he'll be like, will you turn to Georgia and say that? And I'm like, looking at her is the most repulsive thing in that moment. I was like, no, and I mean, like, eat well. Oh. For myself. We have something to talk about. Actually, for sure.

49:12I should have said vulnerable. Obsciting should have, but you did it. Oh, no. Strike 19. Well, then it's right that down. Stephen. I'm Stephen Mark that moment. Stephen Mark that moment. That's going to be a mini-sode of just you saying that. God, that was the worst word I could have used. I'm so sorry. I mean, I look pretty fucking ugly when I cry. No, what? Internal feelings. Impact. Intent. Let's take one more look at it. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Calm down a little. Run. Help us. The grain of the temples. Well, the thing is I said this thing. What did you hear of Georgia when you heard that? And then I'm like, well, I felt like I was about to faint because it's, I have no hair. I feel how warm I am right now. Are you? I really am. Who are you about to fucking faint? Let's do this thing. Ooh, sweaty.

50:13OK. Boom. This is a viral moment waiting to happen. Maybe I'm just embarrassed because of the word metro. What did I call it? Metropolitan. I don't remember. I don't either. No one else does either. No. Thanks. I'm glad they didn't happen. OK. Bob, Bob, Bob. Bebe, bebe. And then OK. So when that, OK. So Otterstrom, it was the guy who in the bar was a mountain climber and a veteran of this 19 Special Forces group of the Utah National Guard. And so is she. Thank you for your service. And the other guy, a therapist for Dell, was a Vietnam veteran, a former engineer and a member of the Summum Church. I don't know what that is. And so then, OK. So they catch him back to, even though he had a fucking shot in his chest, right? June, 1985, he pleads guilty to the murder of Otterstrom.

51:16The jurors celebrate less than three hours and find him guilty of capital murder. And life without parole isn't possible back then. They didn't come around until 1992 in Utah. So he sentenced to death, making him then Utah's youngest and made on death row. And later, the jurors say that if they had known about his troubled past and his childhood, they maybe just, if they could have given him life sentence, they would have. But they couldn't, as I just said. OK. Which is like, pay attention. Stop making me repeat myself. Article. OK, here's an insane thing. And this is fucked up. He's given the choice how he wants to be executed. Oh. It's like, why do we get that choice? You wise that. Just pick your dinner and be quiet. Yeah. You got to choose your dinner. But no P picks his. So he says, quote, I'd prefer to die of old age or honor. But if that ain't possible, I'll take the firing squad. Holy fuck.

52:18He is not fucking around. Oh, yeah. And he's been shot once already. So he fucking knows what it feels like. Right? Like, that's the craziest part. That doesn't feel good, probably. No. I've never, he wouldn't want to go back to that. And yet, and yet, he's just like, wow, that's nuts. So since 1976, only two other people have been executed by firing squad of the United States, both in Utah. What? No, I wouldn't share for the. I'm kidding, I would. Gary Gilmore and John Albert Taylor. So this guy Taylor chose the firing squad to embarrass the state. But Ronnie said that he just didn't want to attract attention. He just preferred that way to die. Wow. So he got a lot of trouble in prison on a terrible... What? On October 20th, 1987, OK, he's in the prison, the visiting area. There's a glass partition between him and the woman he's talking to. He fucking breaks the glass partition.

53:19But then they somehow get over the partition, I hope. And he and the woman have sex, like through the broken partition, well, the fuck, and other inmates cheered and barricaded the doors. And hold on. The fucking woman is his half-brother's wife. What? What the fuck? Shit, Utah. What is Christmas like? What is the Thanksgiving conversation that year? My first question is, let's talk about that glass. Yes. I hope, that's what I'm saying. I hope they jumped over it somehow and didn't have sex on it. That's the least of my the worries. So it used to be just a very thin pain of Tiffany Stain glass between the prisoners and their guests. That's insanity. Wow, then the glass starts. Bone-in is fucking sister-in-law. And the rest of the prisoners are like, hell yeah. And fucking crazy, right?

54:20That must have been the hottest prisoner phone call through that glass. Yeah. And they're like, how was Thanksgiving? That was your fucking Thanksgiving. It's just the question I want to ask you. Yams, whether you have. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying. I mean, fuck, right? Literally. Then on September, oh yeah. Then on September 25th, 1994. So he's still alive. He gets drunk from alcohol that he had made in his prison toilet. No, thank god. Damn it. Sink, which is like, yeah, right. That's what you told people. And he stabs another inmate, Richard Fatt's Thomas, with a shiv that he had made from pair of sunglasses. Also, prisoners have sunglasses. You still got to be cool. I guess. You got to protect those peepers. That's right. The UV rays up here are insane. I'll get you. The Aristan. The dude suffers a nine puncture wounds

55:22to the face, mouth, arm, and chest that our life threatening Betty makes a full recovery. So he's having a good time in prison. It seems like he's really criminaling it up. Yeah. OK, cut to June 18th, 2010. 2010, the year that murder happened. That fucking year. That's your favorite year for murder. So sneaky. Oh, here's him. Oh, that's the, OK. Well, Steven put these in the wrong fucking order. Steven? Oh, now I'm scared. It's Steven's fault you were pronounced metropolitan that way. Metropolitan. What did I say? I don't remember. Well, Metropolitan. Metropolitan. Thank you for your... Metropolitan. It's so good. I have a picture of him back in 2010, but I'm scared that Steven left one of those photos out. And it'll go on to go to your picture. Everyone close your eyes, RockPak. I think you just put it in the wrong order. Should I do it? Who cares?

56:24I don't want to out-care. Which part? I don't even know what mine are. Just go ahead. OK, there he is. Oh, no, you've ruined my thing. No, no, that's... That's Ronnie. Bring Ren back up. I have some complaints. Are there others whose name ran you guys? OK, so, Boop. Yeah, I'm sorry. Can you go back really quick? Yeah. He looks like... He looks like Matt Walsh, the guy on Veepe. Oh, he does look like that Walsh. Look at him. Think about it. HBO, if you have to. Oh, God, yeah. It's Matt Walsh. Veepe. All right. So, finally, in 2010, Ronnie is now 49 years old. It's been a quarter of a century that he's been on death row, which is a long fucking time. Well, it's 25 years. Finally, but he... I'm going to ignore that now. Ren. Ren. I'm going to ignore you. And finally, he's fucking...

57:26On June 18, 2010, he's eliminated... OK, wait. Let me tell you something. LAUGHTER No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I read that wrong. But if I 2004, Utah had eliminated the firing squad. There it is. There is someone in this audience who is not a fan of the show. Oh, my God. Doesn't know what's happening in this hurry. This is fucking wrong. Yeah. What's happening is wrong. I'm dizzy right now, so I'm going to blame everything on that, this podcast. Great. So Utah was like, maybe we shouldn't... Let's eliminate the firing squad by 2004 as a method of execution. But convicts who were sentenced before that day are still allowed to have that option. If they want to pick it. Yeah. So they're like, it doesn't retroactively... They're not like... They're grandfathered into being shot. Yes. Yeah. I got it. Exactly. What? You know you're in charge, and you can change that, right? No.

58:26This isn't some weird movie where you have to get shot this way. Yeah. So just after midnight, five anonymous executioners, they're behind a curtain and a ported brick wall. Don't know what that is. Ported? Ported. Ported. One rifle had a blank round, so no one would be like, it was me. You know what I mean? They didn't know. He is pronounced dead at 12, 17 AM. And after he was executed, the daughter of one of the victims said, I hope my sister, who just passed away, and my father and all of the other victims are waiting for his sorry ass. I hope they get to go down after him. Whoa. Are you like to do that? Can you go back and forth? I feel like we're about to write the new Marvel movie. Oh. Yeah. I'll pull you out of hell? Something like that? We're going to go down after him. They're going to go down. And they're going to beat him up in hell. They're like, we're hanging out and having it's great up here.

59:28Let's do a fucking quick tourist. This is my laminate. Yeah. I get to go back up. Let's stop. We're just going to fucking ass. We're just going to kick some assholes ass really quick. Yeah. And then we get to know about it. And no, no, no, I don't stay. I'm not staying here. I was good. I hope they get to go down after him. Fuck. Yeah. And that's the story of fucking Ronnie Lee Gardner. Wow. Thanks. I told you he was a dick. So it was a real roller coaster, though, with that guy. It was. I mean, I don't know. You were here. You were there. You were here. Then you were back there. It's always very complex, these stories. You know, it's an emotional roller coaster. It really is. It's a metropolitan size. This almost the size of a metropolitan. I just start using that word incorrectly, because I just want to prove that I know how to say it. You're like looking at a Chercuterie board. You're like, is this metropolitan?

1:00:29Cheese? Pull it out anywhere. We're back. We're back. Give any updates? I do. Ronnie Lee Gardner's brother, Randy Gardner, has been openly against the death penalty, especially by firing squad. He's partnered with Worth Rises, death penalty action, faith leaders, and community advocates to combat Idaho's recent pivot to making firing squad executions to state's primary method for carrying out death sentences. Like, that's not good. That is not good. That's aggro. Yeah. Idaho is one of several states that has recently brought back firing squad executions amid drug shortages and legal challenges to lethal injections. That's not the solution for answer. What that is is the fast track to fascist death squads. Hey, hello, America. Hi, you voted for this. Anyway, well, half of you, less than half of you did. Not these guys. Not us.

1:01:29Not these. Not a murderino for God's sake. Murderies are part of the solution. Everyone knows that. All right, well, let's get into Karen's story now. Shall we? This is the Salt Lake City Library Hostage Incident. No! When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. They take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get ready to serve. We always say that. Trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or whatever you get your podcasts. I do, I do, I do, you. Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armas in here. The Dream of the 90s is Alive in Podcast Form. We're launching Podlandia, AO rewatch. Our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode

1:02:30of Podlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters, and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Chrysel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician, Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvise not just words, but a song about it. Well, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia, AO rewatch on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why do some women yearn for Shakira's black hair to make a comeback? And whatever happened to the power couple of my dreams, Mariah Carey and Luis Miguel, I'm Maria Garcia. You may remember me from my podcast, Anything for Selena, or my Divo. And now I'm back to unpack more stories from the present and the past. Listen to Mui excited with Maria Garcia on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

1:03:32or wherever you get your podcasts. My story tonight is one of my classic, It Was an Episode of I Survived. Uh-huh. As most of us do, I have all of my, on my DVR, and I was laying on my couch for 19 hours the other day, and not taking care of things. And this episode rolled up, and they're like, Salt Lake City Utah. And then I was just like, my homework. Yeah, I have to sit here. Yes, that's the best. This is working. This just turned into borderline clinical depression. Now I'm at work. That's how easy it is in the podcast world. When there's a podcast about the murder you're going to do that, we can go like, I got to clean my bathroom. So I'm just sitting in front of my computer. Yes. I have a weird way of enjoying myself. I mean, cleaning my toilet.

1:04:34OK. So it is satisfying now. Do you ever use one of those bleach, like things you stick in the back, the toilet, and then the water is just bleaching all the time? No. Get into it. They're the best. You know, everyone's wanting to just have like a ring of mold. We were like, what's coming out of me? I'm disgusting. No. Well, I mean, not like a, not crazy. Yeah. Just you see it forming where you're like something off. Something's going on. Something's happening. I'm scared. Oh, those fucking chlorox bleach pills are whatever they're called. Do you take, you swallow it? Yep. And then you're like, got it. OK, I'll do it. I'm totally going to take a bleach pill. And then I wouldn't have mold coming out of it anymore. It looks kind of like a big sweet tart. You put it on a realy tart. It's an avocado toast. It's really delicious with a fried egg on top. Just get some, like maybe a coconut oil on top. So it just absorbs the intense chemicals. Where were we? Oh.

1:05:35No idea. We are in the metropolis. Definitely hallucinating at this point. OK. So, but then, so I watch it, it's great. Then Good old Steve Ray Morris sends me a 2020 episode about the same story, which of course is more in depth and actually has reenactors, which is the greatest. And so now I'm going to retell you a 2020 episode. Like I used to retell you, I survived episodes. This is like a majorism. It's like a mashup. That's right. That's right. It's like a layer cake where my knowledge began on an episode if I survived, folded in the 2020. And now this is just like, we're all at the campfire together. And I'm like, remember TV? OK, listen to this. Do you eat? Is the cake at the campfire? Yep. OK, good. Yeah. We get to have cake and bleach pills. It's going to be the best camp out ever.

1:06:36It is the Salt Lake City Library hostage crisis. Do you remember? You guys had a library hostage crisis? Dude, did they fucking ever? First of all, let's just take a look at the Salt Lake City, public library, circa whenever Stephen found this picture. Let's see. This is the old branch, I believe. Is that correct? See old branch. It looks old. That's just the colors. That's so 70s. Look at that poor building on stills. You know, buildings like, what do you expect from me? Yeah. You couldn't just put me on the ground. The architects like, we're pinning all of our hopes on you. Oh, man. This says future learning. The Salt Lake City Public Library is a five-story building. So on Saturday, March 5, 1994, it wasn't black and white. It was the early 90s. So it was like a sepia tone.

1:07:38Yeah, kind of. With neon spray paint, fake graffiti on the bottom. And tilted to the side. Very beach house. So there's hundreds of people at the library on Saturday. And people there for obviously all different kind of reasons. Well, you know, reading, being quiet, sleeping, free coffee. Me? Do they serve coffee? Some of them do. I don't know. I thought they don't do that, right? Probably not here. Probably not here. Because you don't want to spill coffee. Oh, sure. Free water? I don't know. Oh, and they're not allowed to have water. No. We're teasing you. So it likes it. He's like, that's not us, man. That's not us. So there's a couple there, Michael and Judith Greer. And they came down to the library because there was a Tibetan Mandela ceremony being done

1:08:38that day. And that's, you know, that's your favorite. Yeah. That's my favorite kind of ceremony. Right? Of all library ceremonies. Top there. You guys need to dry one one day. Top three. Top three. So it's the Tibetan monks who are putting colored sand blowing. They're like scraping and blowing colored sand into this almost as beautiful as this rug design at the library. How fucking badass is that? That's a lot of it. Those are the kind of events that they have. Because it's culturally open to everyone. They're like, check out what happens. Is that the top? Check out what happened. Oh my God. Who's a librarian here? Use that timeline. Take this. Take it to your meeting on Monday. You have a meeting on Monday. Take it. It's yours. To the librarians union meeting. Take that down there. You're going to get a raise. I bet they've never used the pun. Check it out at the library before.

1:09:38I bet it's never happened with a big check mark. So the Greers are there watching this beautiful sand ceremony. And also there's of course Gwen Page, who's been a librarian. Is Gwen, Gwen, are you here? Gwen? Gwen was in the I survived and in the 2020. So you know she is a key fucking player in this story. She is just bouncing around. She is a lifelong dedicated librarian in the most hushed toned way you can be. You can see her readers on a chain. She's like, I'll tell you where the book is this time, but you have to find it for yourself the next time. You know Gwen? Yeah. OK. So she's reforming the Dewey Desmond's the Serenope. Librarians like to get up too. And one of her co-workers says, you've got to go see the fucking Mandela ceremony before it ends.

1:10:40It's amazing. She's like, you're so right. So she hauls ass on up. I don't know what we're doing. This is word for word. This is how they say it on the 2020. Oh shit, look at this. There she is. Gwen! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Gwen. Gwen. And nice mobs. A nice mobs. She's doing jewel tones because she knows that that can act like makeup sometimes for you. That does a maroon jacket does the work for you. But you've got to have a pop of color. But you've got to get some nice hot blue, electric blue in there. I love her. You still love to live. Librarian to the hilt. Librarian, you even paused it right when she was going, shh. She does that throughout the interview. Just shushing camera men, shushing interviewers.

1:11:42I'd fucking love that so much. LAUGHTER The sound guys, like, I can't with this Librarian. I'm getting a lot of shushing. OK. So as Gwen heads up to watch this amazing cool thing that I would love to see in real life and made me cry when I saw it in the thing, she notices, of course, because, observe and report, Librarian style. She notices there's a scraggly guy standing by the reference desk. He's wearing a backpack. He looks real edgy and she clocks it. But then she's like, I got to go see him and tell us her money. So she just shushed him really hard and kept on moving. OK. She put her shush scent on him to, like, mark him for later. Yes. It was just a little yellow chalk on his pant leg. Come back and shush him later about a half an hour. LAUGHTER

1:12:43We're going to reveal all the library secrets. Oh, you know, they're so mad right now. So many. Shhh. So... LAUGHTER So she passes this way. This is the way they set it up on 2020. I bet you, they didn't all pass, like it was a very well choreographed play, but... But... She passes him and then the scraggly guy turns to the man standing next to him and pushes a manila envelope like onto his chest and goes, I need you to mail this... mail this for me. Um... Give this to the papers. Have a nice life. Mine's going to be short. And then he turns around and pulls out a gun. And then he pulls out a curling iron. What? And then he jumps on a table and he yells, uh... Everybody listen up. This is a bomb. He holds the curling iron up. This is a bomb. Nobody move if I let go of this switch,

1:13:44this whole place blows up. Fuck! So it was what they call a dead man switch. He's literally holding open a curling iron. So if he lets it go, that's when the bomb goes off. So that, if anything happens to him, everybody dies. That's like his insurance. Do you think everyone, like, laughed at first? Because they're like, look, he's choked. That guy's choking. I can see the cord of that curling iron, sir. That curling iron's aren't bombs. OK. I would down. Fuck. Yeah, OK. So, and then he's kind of like, obviously, people... The guns like this, the curling iron's up like this. Everybody, probably 10 feet and back, are just like, goodbye. And they piece out of there as quickly and as organized fashion as possible. I'm sure. Down four escalators. Oh, man. Five story library. That's the worst escape route as an escalator.

1:14:44Yeah, because it's just so slow. You have to stand there. Escaping, escaping, escaping. Almost there. Oh, we have almost escaped music. Really nice music playing V&M. Watch your shoelace. And then someone's like, my shoelace is a dog. That's the only way anybody gets caught is if their shoelace gets stuck in it. Oh, I just do want to say that... So, the bad guy, this is the reenactor from 2020. There is... Stephen could find no pictures of the actual bomber Clifford Draper. But this guy, this reenactor actually does a very good job. He has very large eyes. So, he's scary. They have a lot of like brown eyeliner around his eyes. And he's doing a very realistic, crazy person who's somebody that's on the edge that's in public. But people aren't noticing him, but there is something up with that guy. And then spoon me up on the table.

1:15:45And then there has to be whispering to yourself. And all that stuff. And I was like, oh, this is going to be cheesy as fuck. Well, it wasn't. This guy did a fucking great job. His name... Did you IMD be him? Yes, I did. His name is Michael B. Woods. And you've seen him... Yes. Wow, my dear. He's cute. You've seen him on Empire. You've seen... He's had a two episode character arc on Chicago PD. He's one of your favorite actors. He's not just a crazy guy in the library reference desk with a curling iron. And he really fucking held this 2020 together. It was all him. Like, all of them. Emmy. So much pressure. Can they do an Emmy from before? What do they call it when they're like... Retroactive Emmy? Yes. Metro-Poctin. And Metroactive, right? Emmy. A Metro-Practice. A Metro. Yeah, they do those. Cool. Especially for reenactors. Uh-huh.

1:16:45Okay. So anyway, keep your eye peeled from Michael B. Woods. In the future, I'm just saying I'm calling it now. He's just got range people, range. And an eyeliner looks great on him. I like when you can do the whole eye. You can surround the whole eye and it still doesn't look small. Oh. I mean, that means you have great big eyes. Mm-hmm. Ah, so. I keep it in my face with a microphone. Yeah, a drug. Okay. So, uh, uh, I told you about the Deadman switch and I'm not going to say it again. Meanwhile, uh, over in the Sheriff's Administration building, Sheriff's Office Administration building, which is nearby, um, there is a man named, uh, Lieutenant Lloyd Prescott who's gone in in the 2020 he goes, I went in to use the computer on the weekend. Oh. To use the computer.

1:17:48Uh, he looked up. It was just like a ton of solid hair. Um, so he's in using the computer, um, in basically kind of an empty building. And this guy runs in from the library and he's just like, eh, anyone, can somebody help me? And, um, so Lloyd Prescott gets out and he's like, did you guys call the cops? And they're like, yes. But there's a guy with a live bomb in the library and he's taking hostages. And so, uh, Lloyd Prescott grabs his gun. He's wearing it on the seat next to him. Yeah. Well, he's in a car inside the office. Let me just grab this. We're like at the computer next to him. He would like rest at it. Yeah. He just had it right against the mouse. Um, he grabs his gun. In the 2020 he knocks his coffee cup over onto his badge. That didn't fucking happen. They're just trying to show you as a sheriff. And he runs into the library where hundreds of people are running out.

1:18:53Lloyd Prescott runs in. Um, that's a, yeah. That's how he did it. He's a cop. That's right. You know, he's a cop. They run at the danger and they have guns. Um, so as he's running in the end, I also, this seems a bit fateful, but it could have been for the show. But basically, there, he runs into the guy that, uh, Clifford Draper had given that man envelope to you to say, go mail this for me. And the guy stops him and says, don't go in there. There's a guy with a bomb and a gun. And he says, um, I know I'm a police officer. Does anybody hurt? And the guy says, I don't know, but he did give me this envelope to mail. And so Lloyd goes, I will take this from you. Thank you. You might want to go ahead and use the elevator real, I mean, escalator real quick. I did out of here. Damn, that could have been so funny. Um, and he, so, um, meanwhile, backup stairs, they have, they're having this conversation.

1:19:55And, uh, uh, the bomber is telling people, um, that he wants all the people who have basically been frozen in this area in front of him. He starts looking at people and going, going to that conference room and picking people out specifically. So Michael Greer, the guy that is from the very beginning, who's, it was his idea first to go watch them in Dallas, Sarah Money with his wife Judith. He looks at Michael Greer and says, you go in, but not Judith. Oh no. So he has to go into this conference room and leave his wife behind. Yes. Oh no. Yes. And, uh, so he goes in and, uh, a, a, a, a, several other people obviously and then he tells Gwen, um, go get me 16 people. I want 16 people in that conference room. Yes. And Gwen's like, sounds great. Um, she's, but in her mind, you know the wheels are turning. So she goes into this conference room and she's like, and it's the, there's a meeting of the toast masters in the conference room. You know, people who, who they, they do speeches and they practice speeches.

1:20:56Oh, you weren't, no, I don't, what? Yeah, it's a real thing. Oh. It's like a club you can join and it's toast. Oh, like a toast. Yep. A toast master. Did you think bread toast? We had been talking about avocado toast 10 minutes ago. I thought you were going, I thought that that's what we meant. Toast masters were so fucking good at making toast. That's our new food network show. Yes. Just ties up toast toast. Evenly colored, perfectly buttered, crust to crust. Jam or fucking oven butter. You don't know and it's not up to you. It's not your business. Where's the toast master's mother fuckers? So there's a room filled with toast. And Gwen goes in, bold as brass. And Gwen's like, you guys, let me quickly interrupt your dumb fucking meeting. There's a guy with a bomb out there. And that's not a word for word. And in this room, luckily, there was a different door than the entrance door.

1:22:01There was like a weird back door. So of course, they're like, let's toast master the fuck out of here. And they open that door. People start going out out. So all these people are escaping. And then Clifford Draper, the bomber, runs in. He's like, stop, shut that door. So he shuts the door. They end up a total of, I believe, 10 people altogether. So end up in the room. He doesn't get his 16. Which I do agree is a better number. But it's just how it worked out. So page 11. OK. So he makes them all sit at the conference room table. But he makes them turn their chairs out so that they can't look at each other. And he keeps screaming, don't look at me over and over.

1:23:01So everywhere, you know. And he's just doing this with a gun, me entire, just constantly, bomb gun. So everyone is just obviously insanely freaked out. So our guy, Lloyd Prescott, walks into the conference room. So he had called, I think he had called two other women in, like, get in here. You have to get in here right now. And Lloyd Prescott cuts them off, walks into the room, and holding up the menel Amagop's envelope and goes, what am I supposed to do with this? And then he shuts the door behind him so that the people who are supposed to go into the room don't go any cuts them off. And then, of course, the bombers just like, what? Who are you? And it freaking out or whatever. He's like, I said I was supposed to be mailed. And he was like, could you stop pointing that gun at me? I just, I don't even know. And he's just playing it real low key. So he's not coming in in any way, cop style. He's like, someone just handed me this envelope. What am I supposed to do? He pretended like he didn't know why he was in there.

1:24:04Yes, insane. So then the bomber tells Gwen the librarian to go get him a phone. And if she's not back in 15 seconds, he'll kill somebody. 15 seconds for a phone in 1994? Yes. Yes. Not enough time. That's very high stress. Yeah, because there's no cell phones, kids. No, you're going to need a phone. She's Gwen immediately had to think of, what's the one phone that has the longest silver cord? Yeah. That I can just run across this fucking library with. Exactly. She does it, of course. It's Gwen. It's Gwen. She knows it. Right. I don't know why I doubted her. Yeah, you can't. You need to look at her again? No, no, I can't. Why would you? Oh, you want to? Oh. Wow. So relaxing. Okay. Goodbye. Oops. Uh-oh. It's cool. Okay. Goodbye. Oops. Uh-oh. It's there forever. Now, okay. This is how stressful it is.

1:25:05Okay. All right. Okay. And of that page, pacing of this is amazing. So. Oh, he tells Lloyd tells the bomber. He's an accountant. And he's just kind of like playing it small. He's like, I spilled coffee sometimes. Yeah. I'm just, I'm a numbers guy. Anyway, I don't know how to mail things. Right. Meanwhile, of course, he's wearing like a jacket, like a windbreaker. And he's got his gun hidden underneath it. So then, uh, Draper tells everybody that he's going to barricade the room. He has a lady shut the curtains. He does this weird thing. He keeps having people do things for him. He's not doing it. Probably because he's holding off fucking curling iron. Right. Um, so he asks one what time they entered the room immediately. One's like 10 to 10. And then he sets a timer for 72 hours.

1:26:06So he has like this amount of time that he, that they're going to do this, which is a long fucking time. Yeah. Um, and in the reenactment, that's when he says, my name's Clifford Draper. Let's get some attention. I doubt that happened. Uh, in reality, Clifford Draper was a veteran and he was a paranoid schizophrenic who had gone off his, his meds long ago. He was originally from Arkansas, but now he lived in a boarding house that was like down the street from this library. Um, so he gets going to call the police and explain to the police what's going on. Um, so she says I'm being held hostage in the Salt Lake City library with nine other people. Um, and the police say we want, uh, to connect you. We want him to talk to the hostage negotiator. And Draper goes, fucking batch it. No, no, no, hang up the phone, screaming, screaming. Then he makes when give the phone to Michael Greer and he says, now you're my phone man now.

1:27:06So he makes Michael Greer call the local classic rock radio station Z93. Shut up. Yes. For real? Cause he's going to take it to the people. He's not fucking around with the police anymore. Utah? Yeah. Z93. It's the station everyone at work can agree on. Right? Cause everyone loves journey. So Michael Greer has to call the radio station. It's the weekend DJ. So it's somebody who's a part timer. She's just in the reenactment. She's got headphones on. She's like kicking back. It's the most relaxed DJ you've ever seen. And she picks up the call and live on the air. Michael Greer has to say, I'm being held hostage at the Salt Lake City Library. And our hostage taker wants his demand read on the air. And the weekend DJ goes, I don't have time for this and hangs up the phone.

1:28:06I mean, who wouldn't? You're like fuck you. Yes. You got damn teenagers making my DJ life a living hell. Yeah. No, we won't play diva. This is Z93. Classic rock, lead Zeppelin and lead Zeppelin. That's right. Classic rock block. Put it on. Meanwhile. Rock block. Rock block. It's a two for Tuesday. That's right. But it's a weekend. This was Saturday. What's the Saturday one? Several songs of Saturday. There you go. There you go. There you go. Nailed that. DJ, you can take that. You can have that, yes, for a nominal fee. Meanwhile, across town, Trisha Griffith, who is the program director at Z93. Trisha. Trisha. A young lady in the 90s directing some radio programs. Yeah. Girl. Do it.

1:29:07She's a breakfast to their friend. And we call it brunch. Was she having toast? What kind of toast was she having? She was a toast situation. She herself had already taken a toast master class. Oh. So she was like whipping up four different kinds. She was like, I'm going to have one slice sourdough and one slice rye. Shit. It's how we do it. Shit. I am so high off this thin air. I can't believe it. It's fucked up. It's the greatest. It's the greatest. I totally want to move here. All right. So anyhow. We'll talk about it after. Okay. So she gets the call that Weekend DJ calls her boss after she hangs up and goes, hey, so this just happened. And now I have a weird feeling about it. I don't think I did the right thing. I might have fucked up. I think I might be on probation. I'm in serious DJ trouble right now. Trisha drops her fork loudly, runs out of the brunch, spills her coffee, but takes

1:30:10her toast. Right. Boom. Important things. Meanwhile, we're cutting back to the conference room now. This gets super dark. The bomber passes around a legal patent, has everybody write their name down and the name of their next of kin. So he's doing a lot of shit like that where he's basically like, here's mine. How am I going to kill you? These are the different, like, none of us are getting out of here. A lot of shit like that. Also, there's a woman in the conference room with everybody who's a diabetic. Oh, no. And she's starting to feel the effects. She has to take insulin five times a day. Jesus. And she tells him, look, I'm a fucking diabetic. She didn't say fucking. And I have to take my medicine. And he was like, well, if you didn't bring your medicine, then that's on you. And someone else in the room is like, she could die. And he's like, well, then that's just how it is. And then he goes, or maybe I'll trade her out for a cop. I've always wanted to kill a cop.

1:31:13And Lloyd Prescott's like, still in a accountant. Yep. Loving them numbers. Too bad I'm going to count. April 15th. Yo. Hate you so much, tax day. Anyway, what are you guys talking about? The police? Meanwhile, over at the SWAT Central. Yes. The SWAT. The SWAT offices. Yes. The SWAT Sergeant Ken Hansen is prepping for the Husky Restage. So the Husky Restage? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Can we get some oxygen, please? Are you OK? Mommy? Mommy. The Husky Restage? No. She's a little Husky Restage man. Man, can you do that? There she goes. She's a submissive secret. You're just saying, you're too late to me.

1:32:14D. Holy fuck. Now you know how I feel all the time. Is it at the worst? That's why I was so hot. I guess I'm so bitch. It really sounded so right. I do. I feel like it's always been Husky Restage. That was fun for me. It wasn't me. Does it feel good when it's not you? Oh god damn relief. Okay. Deep breaths. Deep breaths. Please get serious. Deep breaths real fast. Is that how you? Right? Shallow fast breaths. If you just stand up real quick. Yeah. End screaming? Yeah. Okay. Meanwhile. This made me laugh so loudly when I thought watched it today. So at one point, Draper looks at everybody and goes, I want all of you to strip down. What? Strip down naked. It is.

1:33:15It's one girl who has been super like in the reenactment the whole time. She's been like, she's always the girl they cut to and they want to show people being upset or worried. Like, why? She's like long hair, very like, you know, like down, you know, the girl next door face. And when he says that, she turns around and goes, I am not doing that. That's where she puts her foot down. And then he didn't make them do it. What? She should have been like, and you're letting us out. I cannot tell you how much I would have been that girl. And I would have been like, definitely shoot me. I am not taking my pants off. In any way, at the library, with all these nice people around me. Yeah. Wow. I am not doing that. You're guns and you're bombs.

1:34:15So awesome. So then he just makes them take their jackets off. Why? Oh. Because she is not doing that. But he has a gun under his jacket. That's exactly right, Georgia. I've been listening. So you, like Gwen, have been listening. So he makes Gwen, of course, go around and take everyone's jacket from them and then put them in the corner. Oh, Gwen has to be the coat girl now. Gwen is. The coat check girl. Gwen's like his go for a little bit and he keeps looking to her and I'm sure she's sitting there. And she's probably the whole time looking at him like, is this really what you're doing now? So he's like, fine, you go get the coats. So as she's walking around the outside of the table, when she gets to Lloyd, Lloyd gives her the old, like just a real quick, quick thing thing with the eyes, not my coat and she doesn't miss a beat. I encourage everyone in your life. Please always look for small, tiny clues that people are trying to fucking give you. What is worse than being the person or experiencing the person where you're like, don't take my coat.

1:35:19And they're like, why don't you want me to take your coat? Can't you just hand me your coat? Oh, man. Yeah, we've all been in those situations where it's, don't ask me why I don't want to take my shoes off in your house. Yeah, if I need smell, I don't want to tell you that. Because if I'm telling you something but my eyes are wide, catch on, God damn it. Okay. That was just a side bar of advice. Screamed at you angrily. Just how I do it. I am not doing that. So she passes Lloyd. Then Lloyd says to Draper, can I leave my coat on them cold? And Draper, of course, is like, get your coat off. He's going to have to lose his shit. And so he does it. He takes his coat off in this way where he's able to pull, real quick, pull his shirt bottom. I was going to say shirt sleeves.

1:36:20What else is there? Sure. I really caught my son. Untuck his shirt. That tail of his shirt. Pull it out. Chert tails. That's right. Pulls that out to cover the gun. Cool. Right in time. Okay. And meanwhile, no one in the room knows that he is a cop. Yeah. No one, everyone is like, we're here with this crazy guy and super-guenlo-library and then that's about it. And accountant. And that's all we've got. And that really cold accountant. Why would he risk all of our lives because he's cold? I hate his guts. What a dick. Okay. So then he makes everybody, Draper makes everybody read him. Draper makes everybody read his list of demands. He hands him out and he goes like, this is why I'm doing this. And if you read this, now you'll understand. And then everyone gets it and is like, oh great, great. A little reason here.

1:37:21Because the letter says, among other things, that he will not negotiate. He demands to be reinstated into the National Guard. Woo. He wants a military doctor stripped down to his shorts to come and bring him sedatives and methamphetamine. Ooh, that's not a good mix. Yeah, it's like a, it's a, it's a version of a speedball. But at the library, he demands to be paid in gold and platinum bullion, which is badass. It's a financial, it's actually, I put it, but accountant was like financially that's actually a set. You can't go wrong with platinum bullion. It's really, you can take that anywhere. And then he demands to be flown to New Zealand and he wants a full presidential pardon from Bill Clinton. So it, it really bums everybody out as they read it. Meanwhile, over at Z93.

1:38:24Cutting back because Trisha Griffith has arrived. And she's like, I'm gonna be here now. The weekend DJ doesn't have to deal with the hard shit anymore. Cut the blues traveler, where this is fucking happening. It's like harmonica. Hostage. So she sits there and at the, like DJ deck, she sits there and in just in case the hostage, the, the, the, the, the, the bomber. She goes back, which he does. He's screaming, do not hang up on me. Put me on the air or everybody dies. So she had the weekend DJ go call the cops and be like, you know, he called once before, what do we do or whatever. And the cops had told the weekend DJ, tell, do not put him on the air. But of course Trisha is talking to him and she's like, no, he's going to kill these people. There's no doubt in my mind.

1:39:24She was like, I'm going to put him on the air because I don't want these people to die. Trisha making decisions. She was, she was going full program director on his ass. But before she did that, which is great. She thought, I'm gonna try one thing. So she says to draper on the phone, the button to put you on the air is broken and the engineer won't be back till Monday. And he buys it. What? Because we all know that there's a strip of buttons that light up. Yeah. And if that one is broken, the air isn't there. And the engineer is gone. The engineer is skiing again as he does. No. So he buys it. He tells her they have less than 72 hours or everyone dies. Then he makes Michael Greer call back and read the list of hostage names and next of kin. So that when he kills everybody, she can notify the family.

1:40:28Jesus. Oh, sorry, you guys like him. Did you say you guys like him? I totally like him. I don't know. He's just nice. And he listens. He likes all the same bands as me. Like Blues Traveler. Makes the best toast. Oh, have you ever had Jesus' toast? It's very small and round. And there is... It tastes like glue. That's a reference. I'm making a Catholic reference. Body, I ha. Body, I ha. No, it has the face of Jesus burnt toast in the blood. He burns his own face into his own toast. God bless him literally. All right.

1:41:30So Clifford is telling Tresha this super fucked up, very upsetting news, and Tresha gets this idea. And she says, Clifford, can I ask you a question? And he says, yes. But he's screaming at or something, waving a gun at the phone. And she says, what can I play for you? Right? So smart. It's so smart. Because music heals the world. Yeah, all right. Pull out a acoustic guitar. Place 7, Nirvana song. He fucking asks for more deep cuts for them to stop playing the same songs all the time. And he asks for less commercials. What? Yeah, that's the most reasonable answer I've ever heard. It's what we all want from C-93. Even... Never. Even off your meds, you're like, here's what's going wrong. Yes, okay, great. Yes. I can see this, and I'm holding a curling iron in the library.

1:42:32Okay. Meanwhile, on the other side of the conference table, Sue Ellis in the diabetic is now going into severe... She's entering into diabetic shock. Everyone in the room is saying, please let her go. He says, no way. And... Oh, so he's... Draper's getting more and more agitated. This is over hours and hours and hours have passed. And at one point, he is... He keeps switching hands because he's holding the curling iron open. It's like he has to grip it. He's been gripping it for hours. He's like so bum that he made that. Yeah. It's like, couldn't I just said that you know, you plug it in or something? Yeah. It's about a straightener. Yeah. They just sit there. Yeah. So he asks Michael Greer, he's like, can you get the duct tape out of my backpack? I need to fix the bomb. And he's like, okay.

1:43:32So they're putting pieces of duct tape over the bomb. And as... Oh, and then he... So then he... The next plan is he goes, somebody's got to die. The police aren't responding the way I want them to. We have to figure out who has to die. So he tells Gwen to go get this rope. He says, I'm going to cut this rope into all these different lengths. Whoever gets the shortest piece dies. Yes. So Gwen talks about it. She's like, she took forever to walk over and get the rope. She says, yeah. She was the slowest walker of all time. And then as she... Oh, she goes to Clifford and says, I need... How am I going to cut this? I can't cut this. There's scissors in here. So he puts the gun down to get the knife out of his backpack. Yeah. And the second he does that, that's when Lloyd knows this is his fucking time to shine.

1:44:34He pulls that fucking gun. And so, sorry, but really quick, they talk about this, which I love. He had taken some kind of a bomb class. So he knew if the bomb did go off in the room, if everybody was under the table, they could probably... Because it's the size of the bomb and, you know, he's talking about the type that it probably was, that bombs like that, they go off up. So if everyone was under the plane of the table, there was a less chance that they would all be injured. Okay. So he fucking stands up when he sees that his hands are between weapons, fucking stands up and screams, sheriff's office, everybody get down. All the people in the chairs fucking hit the deck, and he shoots Clifford Draper five times. Oh, sorry. Oh, so exciting. I was so... You went into your own mic. No, I didn't. Oh, I thought it was your tube.

1:45:34No, no, no. God, that was the best visual. It was like... Oh! Clunked. Yes. Was that scared, everyone? I think it was a really good sound effects. Oh, my God. Yes. So the SWAT team was right outside the conference room door. They were like all in it. But they were just sitting there like, you know, they don't want that fucking dead man detonator thing to go off. So when they hear the gunshots, they shoot up at the top of these glass windows that go into the conference room. These fucking windows shatter. There's like 19 SWAT people in the room. And when that dead man detonator hit, it didn't fucking work because he had put too much duct tape on it while he was trying to fix it. So by some fucking miracle of real life, God, that bomb did not go off. Wow. And everybody lives.

1:46:34Yay! Except for the terribly mentally ill man who got shot five times, died on the way to the hospital. Sorry. I should have... I'm sorry I said everybody. Can we take that, but our cheer about... I mean... Listen. All the hostages? Shit. Um... Uh... Right. Gwen still works at the Salt Lake City fucking library. After party with Gwen. And she says this amazing thing at the end of 2020, sure it's like when bad things happen, you can either be a victim or you can be a survivor. And I love the library. And of course I still work at the library. It's just like, I'm fucking Gwen in your jewel tones kicking down that knowledge. Lloyd Prescott at the end of that 2020 was asked why he went into that conference room. At such grave danger to himself.

1:47:35And he said, in the police force and in the military, it's your job to risk your life. That's why we have cops. God bless his soul. Very good! More jewel tones. Lloyd. Lloyd. Man. Hey, Lloyd. What if he and what's your face had fallen in love? Mary. Gwen and Lloyd across the table. That moment where he was like, don't take my jacket. She's like, fine, but I'm coming back for you, lady. Boom. Yeah. That's my lifetime movie. I'll write it when I get home. Shit. Right? That was amazing. Thank you. Fucking. I was with you that entire time. That was fucking insane.

1:48:36I hit my microphone hard. That's so good it was. You know, I'd like to thank I survived in 2020. The people who actually wrote that. Well, now you're one of them. That's right. Okay, we're back here in any updates. There are no updates on this story, but we can go back into the episode and we can listen to a hometown. Salt Lake City hometown from an audience member. Real personal story to this one was heart-wrenching. Welcome aboard season six of the Girlfriends. Flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. There's great food, comfortable chairs and attentive stewardesses. The stewardesses were so beautiful. But in reality, the stewardess job is far less glamorous than it appears. It was the most sexist job I think you could have.

1:49:41In this era, the airlines told these stewardesses they have to be single. They had no good excuse for why they wouldn't let women be married. They have to be skinny. We were starving ourselves. And they have to be young. You would retire at age 32. But one day, a group of stewardesses said, This has got to stop. They risked it all, turning a fight for fairness into a revolution. Listen to the Girlfriends. Flight or fight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Dancing with the Stars is looking for a new pro. And since last season, I came in eighth place. I'm basically an expert. I'm Daniel Fishall. And I'm Vouch Merkowski. And we have a new podcast called Stepping on Toes with Danielle and Val. Every week, we're breaking down Dancing with the Stars the next pro. To find out who I'll be sharing the boring with next season.

1:50:41Listen to Stepping on Toes on America's number one podcast network iHeart. Follow Stepping on Toes and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today. I survived nine months in captivity. And I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. Abducted, stalked, controlled and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Do we have time? I think so. Sit down. Everyone sit down. We have rules first. There's rules and you need to listen. Okay. You are talking the whole time. So don't put your hands up. I got eyes. Like you wouldn't believe.

1:51:42If you would like to tell us your hometown this evening, there's a couple things to keep in mind. You can't be so drunk that you don't know your own story anymore. It's as Utah. They're not. They can't. It's not. I don't know. I like to make assumptions. Make you feel alienated. Everybody in the room wants it to be local. So don't come up here with your Mississippi bullshit. It's what we want. You know you can't read, but we say that anyway. No, don't be reading off of any kind of piece of paper. We just want to talk to you. We want you to chat it up. It's a great idea to keep it to in your mind like maybe two paragraphs because you have to remember that if you get picked, everyone else in the room hates your guts. All right. Do your thing. Can we get the lights up for a second?

1:52:43Oh. Whoa. Oh. Oh. This is one person. Yeah, yeah. This blonde lady. Girl, she's the girl. That's Vince. Hi. Hi. You can bring those lights down now. Thank you. Hi, Tully, everyone. Hi, what's your name? Tully. Tully, come over here. Come over here. You have to stand on the carpet or it's bad luck. Yeah, we have to. Isn't it pretty? You're going to take it home with you tonight. Hold the microphone to your thing and there's your pretty necklace. Okay. Tully, where are you from? I'm Ogden, Utah. Oh, I'm a Utah. I'm a Utah. It's a real place. Oh, my God. I'm the first one to tell you, you got to go see the new library. Oh. Right. Is it the best? What took, can you just give us a quick rundown about the new library? Super modern glass wood elevators.

1:53:45All the elements. Escalators? No escalators. Good. Yeah, we're done with those. Better for escaping. Absolutely. Is it nearby? Yeah, it's on 400. South? Oh, sure. Yeah, perfect. It's like two blocks. I'll try to 20 blocks that way. Okay, we'll walk. You know what? Let's go fucking see Gwen tomorrow. Oh. Tell her some people. Tell her some people. She's on the list. The last name is Paige. Books. Paige. I love it. Fuck it. You're killing it already, Holly. Thanks. I'm going to tell you you have nothing to worry about. I took a Xanax. Not. Would you say? I took a Xanax. She took a Xanax. No alcohol. Just a Xanax. Push right by my doctor. Amazing. I took a Xanax. It's the awful time. Damn it. Okay, you want to be the third member of this plot? I've been dying. I mean, I'm like, can we be best friends?

1:54:45Yes, something. We are. It's already happening. Okay, I'm there. Okay, what's your hometown? It's really sad. So let's bring it down from where we are. Well, why'd you say that's Xanax thing then? Sorry. So I live in Wyoming right now, but I used to live in San Pete County. It's in the center of the state. Okay. And I went back a year ago to visit my family, my sisters-in-law, and a friend of mine who had moved across the street from my sisters. So we had planned to have dinner on Thursday night. We got home, heard lights were all off, so we'll head her up on Friday. That night we were out, chain smoking. What? What? Chain smoking. Chain. What brand? It's kind of embarrassing, but it's camel crush. What's that mean? You crush it, and then it becomes fucking menthol. That's right. It's amazing. Menthol secrets will kill you immediately.

1:55:47That's what I'm going for. I'm ready to go. No, I'm just kidding. They're delicious, they're fresh. They're not delicious. I'm hungry. Okay. So my friend, Kami, she was engaged, and that night we were outside, and it's wild life outside. There's cows and chickens and cats, and all sorts of animals. And we heard a lot of noises, and we thought it was just a wild life, and it was. It was our friend, Kami, and she got murdered by her fiance. And it was about 100 feet from where we were, and we were right there, and I had just started listening to your podcast. And I was probably listening to it while it happened, because I had gone to sleep at about midnight, and she, then I'd please think it was about one o'clock.

1:56:48And it was one of the hardest things in my life, but, you know, good things happen. People survive. And Kami, who was a wonderful person, and, you know, her fiance was arrested the next day. He told them that she had been with us, and had been in a car accident, and walked home, and then got in the bath, and he got up in the morning, and she was dead. But he had done it with the hammer, and the shovel. It was bad. But they knew that right. Like they knew he was lying. Yeah. We had to answer some questions, but, yeah. It was tough. Yeah. And I still feel really guilty about it, but I feel guilty. I mean, I get it. Sorry, how long ago was this? It'll be a year in March. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's tough. I love you guys. And... I love you guys. You get to smoke as many menthols as you want to.

1:57:49Yeah. I'm changing, smoking back to Wyoming. But everyone's going to have a menthol cigarette tonight in memory of Kami. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to. Kami, we smoked together. We took a smoking cessation class together. So we quit smoking together, and then we started up again. Well... And you guys crushed it. Oh, my God. We crushed it. It was amazing. Thank you so much for being brave and coming up. Thank you. Thank you. You're amazing. Call me everybody. Call me. Oh. Fuck. Shit. Fuck. Shit. And we're back here, and you want to give us any updates on the story? There are some updates, actually. Kami may Edmunds fiance Anthony Christensen pled guilty to her murder and obstruction of justice in 2020, and he did admit that he beat her to death and tried to stage her death as a car crash.

1:58:51In March of 2020, Christensen was sentenced to two terms of five years to life and a third term of one to 15 years in Utah State prison. Kami's mother, Tammy Coates, later started the Kami May Foundation to raise awareness about domestic violence. And you can find out more about the Kami May Foundation at KamiMayFoundation.webly.com. Wow. Okay. So let's end this episode that was originally called Live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City by naming it something we would name it today. For example, maybe we would call this episode the zombie contingent. The zombie contingent. I wish it was not. There was just a zombie. Where's the zombie section at our lives? We just like, yay. Oh, we'd have to call it the smell of raves. Of course. The smell of raves. Yeah. That's a conversation that needs to continue. Screamers keepers. Of course, that was a good one. Shush scent. Yeah. And of course, better for escaping always.

1:59:52Well, thanks for listening. Guys, let's go back to 2018 Salt Lake City and we'll say goodbye from Kingsbury Hall. Salt Lake City. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Thank you for... What's the picture of? It's you. Is it a picture? It's a painting. I guess it's too late to ask that question. Well, last time, aren't I? I mean, I'm high as a goddamn kite. I don't know what's happening. This was such an amazing show you guys. Thank you for being so smart. Thank you for being so smart. Thank you for being fucking so on it that you sold out tomorrow night's show and demanded this show. What a fucking honor. What a honor. It's... Yeah. We appreciate your support so much. We can't believe we get to do this with our lives.

2:00:54It's insanity. And we're not just high in saying that. Yeah. You really mean it. It's a great honor to be here. And we love the community that you guys have built. And we're so stoked that we get to be part of it. So thank you guys so much for supporting us. Yeah. Being badass is... It's so fun. It's so fun to watch you guys come out here. It's so fun to watch you guys meet each other and become friends with each other. And build a community where we can talk about the hardest fucking things that happen to people in the world. And still be okay. I think that's kind of a big thing that happens with this podcast. It didn't plan. And it had none. Of course, we were just like, let's read two crying stories to each other. And something really beautiful and magical is happening with you guys. And you're making it happen. So thank you. It's an honor to us. Yeah. What you guys are doing. Honestly. So say sexy. Yeah. And don't get it. Elvis, do you want to cookie?

2:01:55Ah! Welcome aboard season six of the Girlfriends. Flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch. But you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to the Girlfriends, flight or fight on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why do some women yearn for Shakira's black hair to make a comeback? And whatever happened to the power couple of my dreams, Mariah Carey and Luis Miguel. I'm Mariah Garcia. You may remember me from my podcast Anything for Selena or my Devil. And now I'm back to unpack more stories from the present and the past.

2:02:56Listen to Mui excited with Mariah Garcia on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dancing with the Stars is looking for a new pro. And since last season, I came in eighth place. I'm basically an expert. I'm Daniel Fishall. And I'm Bouch McCawskie. And we have a new podcast called Stepping on Toes with Danielle and Val. Every week, we're breaking down Dancing with the Stars the next pro. To find out who I'll be sharing the boring with next season. Listen to Stepping on Toes on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow Stepping on Toes and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.