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Alright, welcome everyone to episode 3 of Rimfire Radio.

You're joining today by the original swamp man from Florida, Dusky, my favorite tech

boat driver, Gatlab.

And all of our favorite doctors, Dr. Scary Guy, aka Dr. Jelly fingers.

So the important thing to note is don't take anything we say too seriously.

None of this should be construed as advice.

This is for entertainment purposes only, but we promise it won't be too entertaining.

We are still not endorsed by we like shooting the firearms radio network or camera out of

Jesus, but one day we will be.

So I guess we'll get started with our Rimfire rundown.

And I think first on the list, we were going to have, we mentioned in the last episode

that we were going to each discuss our 10-22 builds.

So Dusky, tell us about, I guess you already have one and you have one you're working on.

Talk about either or both your choice.

So I'm working on my second official 10-22 build.

My first one, I probably started 2017, 18, something like that.

So I didn't want just, you know, I'm going to build a little bit, something a little

custom.

I've shot some 22s here and there are some 10-22s here and there, like some of the

nicer ones, but you got to keep budget in mind of course, and you got some of the older

school ones, you know, you know, it's traditional, it was a barrel band on the thing, got

a lot of that.

But I just wanted something a little bit more versatile, a little bit more customized.

So I took a little time thinking about what I wanted to get and put together, I got

some parts together.

I went with Brownells barrel and receiver on that one, that Bren, I called the Bren 22,

is that the BRN 22, is that, you guys call it that too?

No, but we, yeah, I think it's whatever you, it's yours.

There you go, that's what it is though.

So it's got the Brownells barrel and receiver.

I went with the standard Ruger Bolt, I went with the Ruger BX-22 trigger and the mag pull

hunter stock on there.

It's got a 16 inch barrel and for the optic, I chose a Swamp Fox Tomahawk, the original,

just a 1 to 4, because I don't, I like to keep things kind of smaller, sort of minimal

in a way.

That's what I like to, like the 1 to 4, I might want to play with some little bit more

magnification of course, the better you can see, the target, the better you can do.

Did, did get a little bit into long range, if you will, shooting a couple hundred yards

or so with the 22 and that got more fun and makes me want to, makes me want to push things

out further, something like what they do with NRL matches, which I'd love to get into

and start to beat with these 22s.

So that was just my idea, it was just some general purpose, 22, maybe do some competition

with, do some hunting with, do some target practice with, just all around general purpose.

And I've been shooting that thing for many years, and that's been my primary hunt in

22.

I've got a lot of squirrels with that, a lot of small game, it's filled up the freezer

a couple of times over more than likely you could say.

And it's in a way, it is basic in another way compared to traditional stuff, it's a little

bit more customized, it's kind of a middle of the road build, if you will, I don't have

any fancy parts on there, but again, it's not the basic one.

Well, but, I mean, you got a pretty, I mean, so you actually, this is your first

in 22, and you have one you're working on, but you, so you built one for those from parts.

Yes.

Cool.

And you got the, I actually have the BX trigger in mind that I'm going to talk about,

and that really, it's a pretty good trigger, I think.

You like, I go back and forth on it.

I mean, it's better than stock, it's not, I'm sure they're better, I'm sure they're

better.

Now, on your optic day, you said you have a swamp box, Tomahawk, is that, you said,

one to four, or is it a fixed four?

It is a one to four.

Low-gives a LPVO, essentially.

Okay, because I've got, I don't know, I thought this was called a Tomahawk, it might

not, I've got a four, like a straight four-power that I got, it's an old, old swamp box,

but it's a red dot.

That's the, that's the prison thing.

Is it?

I believe so, if you can be, it looks kind of like a, it's got an etch reticle.

Yeah, let me look, I haven't shot it enough, it's kind of a new one, I just, yeah, it

isn't etch reticle, so it's a prison, it just kind of looks like a big red dot.

It's a fixed, fixed four-power.

Yeah, prisms are great, prisms are great, great, you know, pretty, pretty good, pretty

forgiven, eye-box there, eye relief, but you get more clarity, and just about as quick

as any red dot, you'll get on there, so it's a great balance.

What's etch reticle?

You don't have to worry about, run out of batteries this or that.

And it worked good, I've, I have a pretty serious astigmatism, so they were pretty well

for that.

So you have it.

What's this new one you've been posting pictures of your building?

That thing's been a project in a half and just running into not, not major issues, just

little things here and there, just a lot of little delays, and that's going to be a

shortened version, because I help with my 22 all the time.

Usually I'm out there with a, with a rifle, a rifle, and you know there's going to be,

anytime I go out there looking for squirrel, I bring my 22, there's not going to be a squirrel

to see.

Anytime you go out there with a rifle, looking for some hogs, looking for some deer, what

do you see?

What's your fucking squirrels?

So I wanted something that I could, I could bring with me at the same time that wasn't

just a little, just a basic pistol where I could kind of hit something, if it's, you

know, 20, 30 yards off, something like that.

So that was my intention with this one, is to have something a little bit hand-deer.

So for that, I went with the Midwest Industries chassis, which is a little bit of upgrade

for me.

It's pretty nice so far, my first impressions are a bit of an upgrade yet, not much.

And I went with a fax and barrel and a fax and, a fax and bolt on there.

How long has the barrel been doing?

The barrel, I went with a 10-5, and what I'm going to do, I'm going to put a, a pick,

not a pick rail, but a buffer to pick rail adapter and put a folding stock on there,

one of the Midwest Industries, Midwested out.

And so that's going to be the plan for that build.

I'm just going to ask for what optic I'm going to go with.

Are you going to SBR, then?

No, I'm just going to do a brace, I think that's what I said, a folding brace.

Yeah, Midwest Industries, folding brace.

So I wasn't going to go next, but I'm going to, because I, so it's weird to go for it.

You might, maybe you're like my, my swamp, crazy, swamp man cousin.

I have the Midwest Industries, I'm holding it right now, Midwest Industries chassis.

I've got a Ruger, I've got the charger, so it's a 22 charger.

It had a, I think it had an 8-inch barrel on it, and I actually did swap to a, I think,

a 10-inch barrel to get the suppressor where it would clear the end of the, well, you

will list the, what is it, 12 or 13-inch handguard?

Yeah, so you got a short one?

Yeah, I've got the 8-inch, which the barrel sticks out a little bit.

It's kind of its own thing.

I kind of went back and forth on it.

I like what I have, but I would also like the other one, you can't have both, can you?

I'd probably trade you.

So yeah, I would have gone with the 8-inch, maybe, man.

Well, so I would, the reason I got the 12-inch is, you know, I've been looking at this chassis

for a while, and it was like the 12-inch was on sale for like 60 or 80 bucks off, and

the 8-inch was not.

It was like a normal price.

Oh, yeah.

That's how I ended up with the 12-inch, and I, I don't know, it works really well, and

it does keep my hand off the suppressor, but I just have, it's a Ruger charger.

It's got the BX trigger on it.

I went with a full-size B5 grip, and I ain't with a K. I just put the K on a, a, a, a,

yeah, that's right.

I just put that all over today, and it fits great on there, it looks great.

It looks great.

But yeah, I did a picket tinny, I didn't do a, I didn't do a picket tinny adapter.

I started out that way.

I put a, just a buffer tube, and, uh, honestly, I don't think this is an actual SB tactical,

not that I'm pretty sure it's a bike grip for Amazon, and then it's got the fixed.

You know, they work though, they work just as, just as good.

Yes.

I mean, it feels about as nice as some of the factory SB tactical stuff I've got.

And for all I know it is, it says SB on it, so maybe it is, but I think this was too

cheap to be that.

Yeah.

I think the mag pull stuff that was definitely not mag pull, but it said mag pull.

Yeah.

That's right.

I mean, some of my, so my wife's Chinese cousins probably made it in the same factory and

just kicking up the side door.

The, uh, and then I've got that fixed, uh, Swamp Fox Tomahawk 4-power prism, probably

not something I would have picked.

But I'm a stucker and I do the, well, I do the attack pack thing because I'm an idiot.

But enough about that.

So yes, we have a very similar build, I'd be interested to see how yours works for

you.

It's almost a natural progression as to, you know, that's, that size it down, that's

step it up, and that's, that's moving that direction with it, right?

Absolutely.

Midwest is, Midwest is like the, the Pokemon evolution of 1022s.

I, I mean, and we, we haven't received any free products and we're not sponsored by

anybody because there's 50 people total in the next year that might listen to this,

uh, and I'm probably being optimistic there, but, but we will take the free Pokemon's.

Yes, we will.

Yeah, catch more, right?

We will take all kinds of free stuff, but just, uh, we'll, we'll tell you what we think

though.

Yeah.

I'll say this though, every piece of just Pokemon, only the Pokemon is all we want.

No, like actual Pokemon.

I've been that to North Carolina, but Midwest industry stuff for me, I've not ever had an

issue.

It's just flawless and the B five grips.

I guess, yes.

So, uh, kind of unplanned thing, but I ordered a box of B five stuff, including the K grip

for, for this scorpion thing I was doing.

And they shorted me a couple parts, like it was like they picked one of everything and

anything I had multiple, they just didn't ship that.

And I emailed them, um, I think on Monday or Sunday or Monday, they responded like the

next morning, you know, very apologetic.

And then I got a box today and it had all the stuff that was missing and, uh, and a sticker

pack.

Like they're, I mean, B five, they're, they're good people.

I think it's pretty good.

Right on.

That's always good to hear.

Yeah.

No, I mean, again, everybody's going to make mistakes.

They know issues, no, no hassle, and then like two days I had a box with the rest of

my stuff and, and a stick, you know, I mean, we're all adult children.

I got a sticker pack.

Um, so yeah, I guess let's move to Galab.

You ready to chat about your 1022?

Yep.

I'm ready to attempt it.

Do it.

All right.

I had a chance to pick up just a standard basic 1022, the black polymer stock from

PSA, early in January against like $189 and I had a $200 gift certificate from a very cool

co-worker.

So I use that order.

The rifle that came in and one of the friends that introduced you guys to last week in

the discord, uh, the same guy was referring to last week, the, uh, use instructor for

department of wildlife and fisheries and 4-H, he's telling me like all the cool stuff

we can do at the 1022.

Go order it and it comes in, we go to hang out by his place, he walks out with two, uh,

stock is 18 and a quarter, 18 and a half inches, I think for 1022, it's like the regular

tapered barrel.

If he walks out of his house, he's holding two, yeah, I mean, he's holding two tactical

solutions, aluminum, lightweight, fluted barrels, one in black and one in, like polished finish

over and, and so we're holding these things in a way, little out and he goes, oh man, here's

the other thing I was telling you about and he goes inside, he comes back and, um, this

company, it's a funny name, it makes me laugh every time I see a black hawk with the

exclamation point, yep, they make like the old polymer horses, they hope there's like

last 30 years or whatever, oh, we all know what I call exclamation, yeah, okay, they

partnered every daily or bought up a company called NOx, K-N-O-X-X and they make a 1022 polymer

lightweight drop-in chassis and it's got a fix, uh, would be a M4 or an A or a steel style

buffer tube, polymer injected all one piece, so you can put any braces stocking you like

to on it, so we disamantled the original 1022, we installed a tax solution barrel, we dropped

it in the chassis, he put a, the monument tax solutions again, the extended mag release,

it sits right against the trigger wheel, he just tap it with the trigger thing and it dumps

the mags out, it's pretty badass, I like it, and he also had, uh, from Kid, I think, which

is another big flare in the 1022 aftermarket, second third party accessories, pretty good

stuff, high in the start, they've got a bolt hold, open our bolt catch, yes, built on

the front of the trigger ring, so you pull the bolt back with like your dominant hand

to the right hand, you pull the bolt back and your right hand to show clear and your left

thumb, you just push this lever down, it holds the bolt back, is that the one that goes

kind of around the pick rail, or it's part of the pick rail, nope, nope, it's his own

thing, okay, it's on, I'll send you a closer pick over the minute, okay, and, um, so he's

like, yeah, just got to go, we're gonna opt if you want this thing, and about two and

a half years ago, I came across this guy's Instagram account, I hope everybody finds

this guy a thousand, all one word, all over case, bargain bin tactician, he has put together

some of the coolest builds, he's got a studio, his photography is great, his cinematography

is good, he's got a YouTube channel and he doesn't support as much now, coolest sense

of humor, we chat, um, like direct messages all the time, he's really supportive of what

we're doing now, he's like a really cool guy, and the idea of being a bargain bin tactician,

tactician, tactician, in his channel is always the just of good sort of thing, so he would

go out and buy stuff that was on sale, discontinued one off, it's bargain bin clearance,

demos, whatever, and he would put these builds together, and he's being kind of an inspiration

of mine, so I tried to spend the least amount of money I can on all my builds for like the

last years, all of it, ARs, pistols, everything, so I went to Amazon, I'm looking for a dot,

in a pick riser for the receiver in Monstrum Tactical, maybe notorious or infamous famous

to all of us, they have, they've really improved a lot, I've said they were bad, I'm just saying

that I think they've improved their quality, right, I've seen more of their gear out in

a while than other people's gear lately, they make a pretty decent LPVL called the LaDon

LA-D-O-N, and one of our guys, and I look at the matches, that's what he owns on his

PC, he's seen and have a doubt that he's loved it for years, so I look on Amazon, and usually

they've got a really nice clearance section usually on their website, Amazon had the receiver

mounted pick rail, in a red dot, like an old school, open emitter red dot, like the Seymour

style, like a new profiler, like a better one, called Ari, I do like that vibe, yeah, ARES,

Ari, the pick rail was $19 and the red dot was $29.99, so I bought them, yeah, so I bought

them, Earl and I made a trade deal for all his gear, I traded him an AR pistol, I had

no more interest in, probably would have been dollar for dollar the stuff he handed me

from tax solutions and kid to finish this thing, and it was all his idea, by the way, I

blamed him totally, thank you, but it was probably dollar for dollar when I put into

AR pistol build, to the catalog places of all the stuff he handed me, so I was happy to do it,

this thing, and not even kidding, we weighed it, complete build, empty chamber, no magazine, empty

receiver, three pounds on the dot, with a loaded magazine, it is three pounds, 10 ounces with a loaded

magazine, oh my goodness man, that's a nice little rifle, it comes around so fast, I had to put

a vertical foreground, but I found it, an aerosocket tactical, or aerosocket distance aluminum, round

profile that I had sitting in the bottom of the box for parts, found a way to connect it to the

bottom of this four inch, and I have to use that, else ones, but I had to just sit in my palm

like a regular rifle grip, the motion left to right or right to left when you're tracking with it,

if you don't anchor it against your shoulder for some kind of like, so like pivot the back end of

the falcon, like the pivot, it's so light, you don't realize what you're doing with it, it'll come

off your shoulder, you had to have something up for it to kind of pull it into your shoulder pocket,

it'll push it off, yeah, yeah, it's just so light, you can't help you just lift it off your

shoulder, you don't mean to, and we're waiting for the weather to get better down here for the next

match, Sunday, I'll be out of town going on a short trip from my wife and daughter,

but yeah, I hope to get that out for some rim fire, carbine, steel challenge, speech,

you know, association, the SSA steel challenge is what I'm looking to do with that thing,

sounds like something, yes, the local match is this Sunday, but I'll be in Florida,

dusky, I'll be in Florida, against those pictures of you tanning on the beach,

their gat lab, it's going to be at a very well recognized rodents residence, it's not a beach,

I'll send you pictures of him tanning on the rodents, I appreciate that, that's nice,

so I pulled up the the bargain bin tactician, I was already following him, I don't think I've

ever noticed, I follow like way too many accounts to focus on anything, he's got some really cool,

cool pictures, anybody, yeah, I would encourage everybody to check him out, he's at you know at bargain

bin tactician, all one word on Instagram, he's got bargain bin tactician.com, he's got a pretty

solid following, it does great photography too, really nice stuff. The earlier post, like when

he got going about two years ago to the stuff he puts together now, just the quality of the

photography and the beneath, beneath theography I guess it is, it's pretty wild, it's good stuff,

man, he's got a great sense of humor if you ever reach out to him. Yeah, I like the guy.

I like the guy. I mean, I think that's kind of the road we're hoping to go on, right? I mean,

this is, I mean, we're just going to say this, this is the most mediocre gun pod cast on online,

right there, we're absolutely right near the top of that list. Yeah, I mean, I don't know who's

worse, but I challenge you to find one worse, but maybe, you know, give us some time. I think

Dan just maybe made a salad. We're going to be mediocre at being mediocre too. I like it.

Nice. You know, I'll take that. I'll take that. So then, uh, Dr. Scary Guy, let's hear about

your 1022. Now you have 47 different bread and neos, but how many 1022s do you have in your arsenal?

I think I only have two, just two is all I can think of off the top of my head.

Terrible. Tell us about proportional. Well, uh, one of them is stainless and very nice looking

with a lemonade stock and I bought it at a gun auction and it was a really good experience.

Maybe that's for a different time, but since you guys all talked about how great yours is,

I want to talk about the other one I have that is absolutely disgusting.

Oh, go on. Please be patient. No, it's not. It's all it's super black. It's awesome looking.

If you remember in 2012, 2013 or so, there's a show called Sons of Guns where they did all sorts of

like bubble guns smithing and the dad went to prison for molesting his daughter when she was a kid

and everything. Yeah, great. Just a giant disaster all around red jacket firearms.

Okay. Yeah, red jacket firearms. Yep. So, uh, right near the end of that series, Joe Moe who

is now running his own business and he was, if you ever watch a show, he was the only one of them

with any sense. He runs Atlas defense now. I've never heard a bad word about him there.

Oh, wow. But he had designed their ZK-22 chassis, which stands for zombie killer because that

really just fit in with the red jacket mojo. It's a clamshell design with just, I think it's

Allen keys and little hex nuts on the other side. It clamps together. It's a bullpup design that

looks like an unholy child between a PS90 and anything from Hera. You know, Hera Arms makes a weird

grips for ARs. I love them. So, the space grip kind of things. Yeah, was it the one movie with

the guy that was, they were having the future war against whatever is now had both pups.

So, yeah, the five inch ARs. Yeah, those weird looking things they had. Those,

yeah, most of the Hera stocks and grips. And I got some of those in a box here. I haven't used

them yet, but I planned to. But this, this whole chassis looks like, um, Hera and a PS90 had a baby

and it was raised as an illegitimate son from strike industries. Okay. And you haven't posted a

picture of this yet. Have you? No, no. I mean, just, you know, if you want to Google it while I'm

talking, just look up a ZK 22. Yeah. So, it's got the weird grips. It's a bullpup design. There's

no real stock on it. So, the butt of the receiver is basically up against your shoulder inside of

this clamshell. It's got a long Picatinny carry handle on top, uh, where you can put your optics.

You have to use an 18 inch barrel, uh, 1022 or else you accidentally commit an unfortunate event.

Yep. Um, so that's just like the desert tech. It's the same way you have to have.

I don't think that's that's, that's a look they were going for a nice little bullpup design. Um,

I don't know how the Atlas ones are now that he's running his own company. They're,

it looks like they're $350. But this original one costs about the same thing. I think I waited

over a year for it to finally show up because red jacket was going through all of that mess.

It's hilariously bad. Um, the charging handle, if you, if you see a picture of it,

there's a little knob at the top underneath the carry handle and you just kind of push that back

and it actually it's the charging handle on the 1022. It gets stuck sometimes. I probably

had to go in and dremel it out. Uh, the trigger because it's a bullpup, you know, they always have

that trigger bar that never quite feels right. And this one every, everything you're doing is a

secondary function. That's, that's affecting another function. The original uh, the user.

Yeah, no exception right here. It's, it adds an extra like 12 inches to that extra step.

And yeah. And it just, my original one, I don't know how they are now. I want to make that clear

because I don't want to say bad things about Joe Mone. Um, this one from old red jacket was not

great. Uh, they did have a nice little gear inside of it to let you set where it would touch the

actual 1022 trigger. So that was a really cool feature. But for whatever reason, mine just never

worked right. I tried pulling it apart a couple of times. I had to dig around 50 yards for lost

bolts and screws. Uh, you know, because you try to open it in some part somewhere is going to pop

off and go flying. And every time I tried to put so much just 25 rounds through it, it just made my

finger tired. And it is, it has been a long time since my finger was that tired and that's a whole

different story. But uh, you know, us his name, Dr. Scary Guy. No, no, that's all right. You're making

things up. Uh, but the idea is really cool. And I kind of want to see one of the newer ones to

see if they're better because I really hope they are because it's a neat little idea to turn your

uh, 1022 into basically a PS 90 and you can mount an optic right across the top of that carry handle.

And it did when I, when I shot it other than having a very heavy trigger, I didn't really have

any complaints with it. Once I finally got it working, but it just that trigger sucked. Um, you

know, as an update, I did get a PS 90 and the trigger on that really isn't too much better. So

I guess he's right on track with it. Uh, they're not all that different. No, it's, I mean, other than

the fact that the ZK 22 takes a magazine from the bottom and it's one of the regular Ruger magazines

and you really need to get the 25 round because you, you can't get the 10 rounds in and out.

Yeah, it goes right along that back of that grip area. Right. Um, it's a cool little thing to shoot

though. Was certainly sure. Where are we on, on bullpups? Are we, are we bullpup fans?

No, no, not so much. You know, I've got a couple of the Walther 10, uh,

Walther 22 bullpups and I like them. I think they're fun. They're goofy looking, but they work

really well. Yeah. Something I prefer. I got nothing really, not any, any critique really

of the, that's not just inherent in some of the, some of the lesser desired aspects of them,

but they're, I don't have anything functionally. You know what, think about it. Well, though,

think about it now that the whole NFA $200 taxes change. If you could get a bullpup with a decent

trigger and you had a 10 inch barrel on it, that could be something you basically carry in a

holster on your hip and it's, they have some major advantages. That is, that would be a really

cool design. I'm wondering if maybe I just pick a bottle of their 1022 receiver and work with

this old chassis, chop it off flush at the front of the clam shell and call it, call it good enough,

put a suppressor on it and have fun with it. That's gross. So I like it. I don't want more money

into this build, but I may put a lot more money into this build. See, I don't think we have time

tonight to explore the psychological issues you might have that are making you do these things,

but Galab, what do you think about bullpups? He's going to go ahead, go, go, go, go, go,

go, you go ahead, I'm sorry. I've tried, I've tried, I've tried Springfield, IWI,

actually the day you and I met when we were down at Smokin' Nothing. Yeah, you got a knife, right?

Right. The only two things I want to look at was the IWI Caramel and Caramel and Hermit

Promotes and the two bullpups. I can't. My body won't let me accept it. It's like a rejected

organ. I pulled up to my shoulder and I hated it. No, we're bad. I will say this. To me,

it's not my, obviously it would never be like, oh man, I'm going to buy one gun to X.

I'm not going to be a bullpup. If I was, if I was anything other than a well-educated,

well-employed civilian, if I worked for an entity, a government entity, and my job was to get

in and out of vehicles, it's so, to me, I'll say it this way, it is so used case-specific

that I don't see it being functional anywhere else than that use. Does that make sense?

Standing out of vehicles. No, yeah, yeah. It's like cheese. It's always cheese-specific. Man,

you got it. Yeah, that's key. We're like the same guy. So I have to prevent it from now I really

do want to rebuild this thing into a short barrel and I hate you all for making me think of this.

I'd say mission accomplished for my work. We love it. So, for that?

I don't think I've ever shot a bullpup. I've handled bullpups that

go through huge stores. I know, I know. I'm, I'll, this should make, I maybe, I'm going to come out

on this not live thing. I am bullpup, curious. And I, I'm attracted to bullpups. I'm, you know,

maybe a little nervous, maybe a little uncomfortable. But the one I've been thinking a whole lot about,

it was a 10-22, so it's relevant to this conversation, is the desert tech track 22? Have you all

seen that one? Yeah, that was, that was one of the top of the list when I was putting,

putting one of mine together. So it was tempting. And I like, you know, if I can, if I can get over

being uncomfortable with being bi, you know, bullpup, bi, curious, whatever we want to call it. Like,

if I want to be like Dr. Skary, yeah, I, I might, the thought, so the thought I had, so it's the same

thing. You have to have an 18-inch barrel or it's an SBR for overall length. You know, angst at arms,

and I talked about it on the first episode, and I'm a huge angst at arms fanboy, despite only having

shot one of their firearms, they make an 18-inch integrally suppressed 10-22 barrel. And to me,

it'd be like, you know, you could have a short little, not, it's not an SBR, it's a bullpup,

but it's integrally suppressed, and it'd be light and short. And again, like with a 22,

10-22, you're not trying, they're like rapid reload, it's not a tactical gun. The one on their

website's got an LPVO, it's, it's, it's kind of a vibe as the young kids say, although I assume

that's probably 30-year-olds now. Well, if nobody else has to, we've, we've hit 30 minutes

on rimfire rundown. Can I say one more thing about a rimfire or do you want to just move on

this one? I don't think we can stop you. You, you could, I, I ask permission. You could tell me

no right now, and we will go to center fire that, uh, talking about center fire detour. Just make

it quick. All right, so I had an exciting trade this week, and you guys have all seen it,

but I got a, basically a 22-long rifle race gun pistol from precision defense,

and these things are absurdly expensive, they're very heavy, they're, they're literally a 10,

they are a 2011, like a steel frame 2011 that's chambered in 22-long rifle.

This company's out of, this is Lancaster, Ohio. So a friend of mine bought this, good, good friend.

I've probably shot it more than he has or, or probably pretty close anyways, and he just didn't,

he just kind of got rid of what I'm excited about it. So he had some, I had some things he wanted,

but these things are actually cool. So everybody needs to check out precision defense. They're

absurdly expensive for a 22. I would have never bought one probably myself. Uh, well, I say that,

because I had the money I would, but really cool. Definitely got to check it out. I'll hopefully get

it out, shoot it, get rid of the blue anodizing on it, and uh, yeah, maybe we'll post it online

somewhere once we have a place to do that. All right, so sit, go ahead. I think you should just

read anodize the rest of it in a different color. Leave the blue blue blue blue. Oh, I really do like

that idea is like a 22 platypus. That's oh my god. Thank you. I love it. That's terrible. I mean,

it's already, the rest of it's already anodized in another color. So the, the, the frame, uh, the

comp on the front of it, the grip, the beaver tail that's pinned is all anodized silver.

I've seen that even that silver raw aluminum. Yeah, that's anodized. And it's got a really prickly

grip. And what I've seen on those platypuses, uh, yes. But you know, when you serico, uh,

something with a ridge like that and it gets on the point, it seems like it wears off really quick,

but anodizing really does seem to hold up on these. No, what's the magazine capacity? 15. So it's not

it's about it. Yeah, these, these magazines are, no, they're from Europe. Um, you see here has the

brand on it says made in Germany. Uh, it might be like walthard or something. I'm trying to think

who it is that makes these. Yeah, my, um, they're not crazy expensive. They're like 30 bucks. Um,

let's just see the magazine, the $33 for a 15 is, it's called, it was says GSG. Isn't GST like

Umarex or something? I don't know. Germans, Germans sporting goods. Yeah, is that part of knockoffs?

Yeah. Is that part of the Umarex does, too, is I was one of those parts. I don't believe so.

The only one I know the most is they call the firefly. It's like a

sig 226. Yeah. 38 weird looking. It's like the, it's like the sigmasquito was. Yes. And it never works.

Uh, nobody I know had one has ever had one finish a magazine. They all,

yeah. Well, I've run a couple hundred rounds through this magazine. These magazines work.

Maybe it's a good gun. I'm just referring to the other guns that GSG has. You're right,

does German sports, German sport guns, GMBH. So they're like they are a separate company.

Anyways, they make them magazines. You can get them for like 30 bucks. So I don't know if this

goes in another gun they have maybe and he just built it to work with it. I'll have to deal

a little research on that. But anyways, we'll, okay, we're over a couple minutes. I'll stop talking.

I know dusk. He was wanting me to stop talking anyways.

Um, do you identify a detour? Well, thanks. I've been meeting myself.

That's a good habit. Thanks, Jackass. Um, so we had on center fire detour first up was

Gatlab, but he didn't put anything in the notes. So it says next to his name, I'm assuming

dusk he did this being so sexy. So Gatlab, you can either talk about something center fire

related or just talk about being sexy, I guess. I mean, both. I mean, except. Yeah,

what? Well, we'll meet in the middle. How about that? Fair enough. So it's real fire,

but it's something actually drooling. You brought up a week ago or last episode.

Maybe in the chat too, I think it came up first about like full-size suppressors on 22s.

Yeah, full-size suppressors. Did that was the same? Yeah, full-size. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I want to test the rather rifle caliber suppressors on 22s. Yeah, five, five, six cans.

Yeah, okay. Yes. All right. Sorry. So we're meeting up in the mind last Sunday. We went to

arrange indoor range out in Baton Rouge. Took a few guys to try out. He wanted to run. I've got

a AR dedicated suppress. They are the F-R-T reset trigger. So we wanted to go run that

for a little bit, which is great. Always. Who would do such a thing? Me and my friends.

You're in that circle, by the way. Anytime you want to. He had... I don't think F-R-T

should be allowed. No, you can shoot. You can shoot light. It's fine. I'll do that for you.

I got like five. Oh, okay. He acquired a new 308 and a 30 on six. He never fired him.

So we went to make sure as well as we could indoor that at least he had him sort of

bore sighted to get him out on paper next weekend when he gets a chance. We fired those off.

And then I brought the 22. I was talking about a minute ago. The light weight. The steel challenge

going. The barrel is threaded. I've got my last... The last suppressor I bought is the hybrid 46.

Silencer Co. 146. So I really do everything. And I bought... Yeah. So I bought all the end caps already.

And I threw the 22556 end cap in my bag just to see. We're done with it. I load up around four

rounds of CCI standard. The mini mag, CCI mini mag. And the next magazine I put in

Stinger CCI Stinger. Out of a 16 inch barrel that had giant... I was literally... I was expected to sound

like test firing in a barrel like a garbage can is what I thought the sting was going to sound like.

It's quieter than the the 22 suppressor I had. Yep. Hands of volume.

Now we're with the with the 22 end caps, all right? Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. So it worked really

well for you. Co. 178. It added like 50 percent more weight to the entire gun. The suppressor

weight is half as much as the total of the guns. But it was so much fun. So much fun.

So it was probably stupid quiet with the standard velocities. All you can hear is the bolt closing.

That's not even careful. All you can hear is the bolt closing. It didn't just make a sound.

It was so long. I loved it. That's good. It was crazy. That's great. I had even thought about

doing like a giant like 46 caliber can. That's really awesome. But I think...

Yeah. Everybody tells you not to do it. And I think the reason is that a lot of these 556 cans,

maybe they're sealed. And obviously we all know 22 ammo, super dirty. But if you got a serviceable

can, like you said, you swap the end cap, just dump everything out of that can and soak it in some

of this like break free stuff and or one's other cleaners and clean it. But it's a really good

idea to me. It's something I'm planning on experimenting a lot with. As long as it's serviceable

and you clean it regularly, right? Because it's going to be a 22. Like you said, it's going to build up

a lot of a lot of fouling, a lot of carbon, a lot of build up. And what's you... If you put that

back on a 556, what's all that high pressure going to do, dislodge a lot of that? Maybe some minor

obstruction and an extreme case cause some type of sort of baffle or in capstrike or at least send

a bunch of shit coming out. And I'll be a positive thing. Well, so that... Yeah.

The other one of the other suppressors I have, I call it my 22K. And it's not really...

It's from WIT machine and tool, it's called a canoeuvra valve. It's a super tool. Yeah.

Oh, it's a hippie man. Yeah. Yeah. Higgins. That's another wild guy on Instagram.

Yeah, he did a pretty good video with... There was a tactical shit from Florida, whatever.

They really like him. He's a really cool guy. Yeah. And they talked about this thing. I was

hearing say about 16 or older and all this sort of stuff. But it's a 556 can. That's a 223 can

that is the size of a 22 suppressor. So I bought it. It was my first one actually. I bought it

and it sent to a local guy a couple of years ago. And I've been using it on my TX22. I had it on my

Winchester Wildcat. I've tried to own this. After the picture, I sent you guys a few weeks ago

the first picture of the build. It was on that rifle when I sent you guys the picture.

And reading up on it, of course, like Dusky said, 22s and through for you about two.

The fouling lead build up, carbon build up, 22 sort of loading inconsistencies leave someone

burnt this and that. And I even know them once. They said it's not suggested to use it on a 22. But

the best way to take care of it is be sure to put it on like a 16 inch carbon when you're finished

and run them back through it. You're going to overcook it, vaporize it and push it out.

Since then, I've seen three more manufacturers came out with five, five, six cans. That's small,

that size. I want to get another one. I want to get a better one, just to see.

Yeah, it's an intriguing idea. I mean, we all know that, I mean, obviously there's lots of

suppressor, technology that do lots of crazy, interesting things. But there's not a lot of

substitute for this volume. If you just have a big ass can with this long and big diameter,

just like Dr. Scary Guy likes and his private life, I mean, it just absolutely should quiet things

down more. That's awesome. I mean, they can do some, you know, restrictive and turbulent

flow designs and, you know, do some baffle technology here and there. But you can do that

with more volumes. You can't, at the end of the day, it's hard to be more volume.

I could do more with it. I think they're designing efficiency, right? Like I think they're making

candles that are lighter and smaller, but probably as effective. Yeah, I'm here for all of it.

I think it's cool. I love these cheap suppressors that are coming out like Lyman and outlier.

And so he's two, three hundred dollar cans, you know, zero dollar tax stamps. It's things are

going a good direction. So I was at a cancon a while ago, a couple of years back and the guy from

Whit machine, you know, I'd seen him around it a couple of different events and he was there

with some of his cans and he had partnered up with Ranger precision. And I was like, what are you

doing with Ranger precision? He's like, everybody shits on me, man, but I want to partner up with

a really good company because we're friends and I want to just piss everybody off because Ranger

precision is the hot new thing and my cans are supposedly garbage and everything worked great

and it was just really funny because he was doing that specifically to piss everybody off.

You're a you're contrary and I think is what really come down to kind of I've wanted to try

the Whit machine stuff. I tried to order them a couple times. They were out of stock. I think he

sells all he can make pretty easily. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of a good belief agencies,

like he is providing agencies and departments just cans because their officers are out on patrol

and they want a short can that will do well enough that they don't define themselves and the people

around if they have to shoot somebody, but they don't want to spend a thousand dollars per can

because they don't have the budget for it. No, it makes sense. It makes sense. I actually

ordered one of the new outlier defense. I got a four inch five five six can and I

I've just ordered it for a 22 long rifle. I'm not fine. I'll bring it on there. But that's awesome.

Well, okay, we're on suppressors. Who else has a suppressor that they think is interesting and

might be interesting to other people?

Oh, I do want to get. Have you guys heard of the Jesse's girl?

Yeah, I have. I've got a Jesse's girl and Jesse's girl aluminum. Both of them are

unfired in my FFL, but I've sold some other resilient cans. Their cans are great.

Yeah, okay. It was one of the more inexpensive 22 cans. I thought that might be good for

sort of a dedicated one for a 22 rifle that I want to be looking at here.

Yeah, no, so I got a sales rep that he reps resilient and he rep presents GSL.

And I've done more GSL than resilient, but they're both like for the price. They're hard to be

and yeah, the Jesse's girl is intriguing. They look cool.

Well, it's good to hear them. Yeah, yeah, I think I mean, I've never heard any bad but resilient.

And like I've run a bunch of GSL too. I know they're not affiliated companies, but the same

same guy that I've ordered them both from, but I check out GSL. If you were going to buy one 22 long

rifle can, I'm a rugged one. Like rugged, you know, because it's like that thing's rated for,

you know, five, seven, 22. I suspect, I don't think they'll say this, but I suspect you could put

it on five, five, six for limited use. And it would probably be okay. It's just so overbuilt.

They're, but all of their cans, they rep, they, they ever has more as belt fed rated.

And there's like no, what's rugged model? I like the Oculus. The Mustang, I think,

a little lighter dude. Yeah, it's still pretty good. I've got an Oculus. I sold four or five of

those Oculus's to other customers. And I mean, they're just fantastic cans. They're not the lightest

can. They're not necessarily the quietest. They are quiet. But they're just, you can't kill it.

I don't think you could ever kill the thing. I always thought the, there was a silencer code

Sparrow was sort of the almost a golden standard for the 22s. Yeah, I think so. And I've got the

silencer code. I think it's the warlock, which is the predecessor, I think, to the Sparrow,

or it's a very similar model they made. And it's pretty good. That was the purpose of the

Sparrow was that you could disassemble it, right? Yeah, the bottles are like encased in

an outer shell. And that whole thing goes into the tube. So it comes apart and is meant to stay

nice and clean and easy to clean. Nice. How often do you do, what do you clean yours?

I have two cans. Yes, since I bought it a while ago, it's got a few. Everybody go over clean

the 22 can. Oh, yeah, I've cleaned a couple. I'm going to sell some of those around. Yeah.

Yeah. So I've got to, I buy the, the gallon size of that break free cleaner. And of course,

you can eat some finishes. And you gotta be careful with aluminum. But for like just the,

the baffles, facts and stuff and the hard parts, I just toss everything in that and it,

you know, leave it for a couple of days and it's all gross and, you know, spray it off, oil it,

you're good. You, you, now you oil the internal parts or what do you, what do you oil it?

Yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll put a, like after I put water on it, obviously, you know,

dry them off and I'll put, I'll put a little bit just a thin coat of stuff on some of the

baffles. It could, I mean, look, and I get it like it's going to attract the, the, you know,

the crap from a 22 maybe a little quicker, but it's so much easier to clean the second time.

But if you've got some sort of a cleaning solution in there, something that might be flammable,

that stuff can sort of deflegrate in the almost, yeah, not diesel, but worse than that sort of

combustion there with that. And that could cause a pressure spike. I might be down,

probably not issue with most things. Yeah, good. I use like Lucas, I wipe it with a little Lucas,

and it makes them easier to clean it. It hadn't calmed on fire for me yet. I, I, I magged

out because I'm, I'm an idiot. Well, again, some of the pressure with the aluminum baffles tell

you specifically not to use water-based cleaners and you don't want to soak them in the water-based

solvents. And they say the only thing you should be using is something oil-based. So yeah,

this 22 can, I pulled the bird a couple of weeks ago, it is just sitting, uh, break free.

I rubbed it all over the baffles and they're just gooey. And then I also rubbed it down with

remoil. I wrapped them in remoil wipes and they've just been sitting there trying to get some of

that kick off of it. Interesting idea. Many years ago, I, I cleaned up the bore on a, a 22,

I restored for a friend that had not been shot in years in the board. I don't think it was

pitted too bad. This was gross. And I stoke, I filled a PVC pipe that I had put a cap on. I

filled it with marble mystery oil. Oh, yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. And I just stuck that barrel and

then let it sit for like a month and then just scrub the shit out of it and it cleaned up pretty nice.

Great penetrate, uh, was it marble mystery oil or some ATF, which is, it's, isn't

marble mystery oil sort of like the, the detergent part of the, of the ATF, not the, not the, you know,

the other ATF. All right, fluid kind of thing. It's massotone. It might be. I don't, I'm not smart

enough to know that, but it, I just know that I've used it on some stuff like that where I've,

even when I would freshly blew something, because I used to, I used to be better than I am. So

when I blew a gun, I would soak in a marble mystery oil for a couple of weeks. You blew a,

what? Yeah, blew a, uh, there's a trainer, I blew a trainee and, uh, it was very expensive.

Oh, no, you need an ATF because you blew a trainee now. I used to take this gunsmithing class

at this local community college and we had bluing tanks. And so when you, you know, you blew

something, people that don't, yeah, no, they're, well, yeah, there's been other times.

All it stays, huh? No, this was, this was a post college thing, but we're not, we're not getting past

this man. No, I can, hey, look, what would I, I mean, here's the thing. We all do things for money

that we're not proud of. I've certainly done it. Um, but this is different than that. But yeah,

no, seriously, marble mystery oils, uh, I haven't used any years, but it's fantastic when you're blowing

on somebody. I mean, it does, it does, you taste it. You know, no, no, I don't. All right. Well,

I think that devolved right where we were. Never dropped the transmission pan and got that dragon

piss over. No, you know, I don't, I don't, I've, I've changed oil, but I've never, I've never

messed with a transmission filter. He's a fancy lawyer. He pays people for that. Uh, do now. I'm,

I'm old and fat talking about. There was a time when I wasn't as fat and old. You were just

having a, I was young and slightly less fat. Actually, I was probably fatter. Um, all right. So

there we have, I, I'm doing okay. Uh, we're talking about NFA jail. Dr. Scareguy had put down

what chat about NFA jail on a scorpion evo. Yeah. I don't, I don't need a scorpion evo, but I kind

of wanted one for the last 12 years or so. And a guy with cell in one, he had already done the

short barrel work on it. He did all the upgrade or some of the upgrades I was going to do anyway.

And he, he needs to part ways with it because he doesn't shoot it anymore. And he said he hadn't

shot it for like eight years. And I said, I can, I can help with that. So I bought it off of him.

And it's been a little over a week now. Uh, it was trust to trust. So I think the ATF is confused

about what to do because I know we were. Neither of us had ever done a trust to trust transfer.

Um, but it, you know, hopefully going to get approved. And he also had a Bowers verse nine S,

which, you know, it was perfect to go with something like a scorpion because it's, it's a nine

millimeter can for a 90 millimeter gun. And also Bowers has, you know, good support. So I kind

of want to get that taken care of and I want to go shoot it in my yard. Um, I really, like I said,

I don't need it. But he, the price he offered me was too low. I think it was about $1200 total.

Um, it seems cheap. It is. He's just trying to clear and stuff out. He's got some family issues

where he can't go shoot like he used to. So he just, yeah, he, he just getting rid of stuff and

I am happy to accept some of that at a good deal. So a trust to trust that's still just a transfer

form, uh, form, all right. It is, but you're, it's not coming from person. So he has to put his trust

down as the transfer. And then I have to put my trust down as a transfer. And then I also have to

through and do the responsible pay, responsible person work. But, you know, this is just a

guy doing it differently and doing more of it. Right. Instead of going through a vendor who does

it all day, every day, it's a guy who's like, I've never done one of these and I said, I've never

done one for a trust either. So we had, we had a good, a good time. We had a good chat. We had

a good little visit and got it on. That's all good. Absolutely. So, um, I keep, I keep checking my

email account waiting to see if an approval is going to come through. But unfortunately,

I'm not even going to spam an email account anymore. I have no idea when that all stopped,

but it has never been such a dead email account. And as long as I've had it and it irritates

a crap out of me. So is it, it's been like a week you said 10 days? Uh, we eight days maybe. Yeah,

nine days. I've submitted a lot of stuff three forms since January 1st. And I've had stuff

that takes three, four days. And I've had stuff that was submitted the same day, same kind of form,

take almost a month. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't be too discouraged. Um, and I think if they have

I've been doing eight years stuff for a while now. And I, yeah, it's all a mess. Yeah, it's just,

it's kind of almost like luck of the draw. They still doing batch approvals. It seems like. Yeah,

some of them, I've gotten two or three at a time. And then I've had one out of the three or four

that was again, like the others, and it's a couple days later. You know what I hate about doing

through e-forms is if there's anything wrong with it, they will just automatically reject it.

And you don't get a chance to fix it. Well, the good news is that you don't pay them $200 though.

That is true. But at least with the old paperwork forms, if there was anything wrong, they would

send it back to you and say, this is correct. And then you would have like seven days to get it

back to them. That's a pretty good deal because you didn't have to redo the weight. They would

prioritize you because you'd already waited your year or 14 months, whatever it was for the paper

form to go through. We, look, and I think that the NFA should just completely go away and we should

have, you know, fully automatic machine guns sold and sending, sending machines. But I remember

my first suppressor. It was about a year. And my second suppressor was probably eight or ten

months. And so I, and again, it's probably, you know, it's like, look, they've taken your freedom so

so much in the past that is a little bit better now that I'm almost giddy and I almost feel guilty

about it because I still think it's crap. But yeah, I mean, I get my stuff handled pretty quick.

But I think my first, first couple were submitted at one, or I tried to take care of them at once

and it took about two years from the time I paid for them to the time I got them approved.

See, that's, that's horseshit. But that was partially because of my local law enforcement

group because they wouldn't approve it. And they had to try to go around them and eventually

got the trust, which is why I do everything on a trust now because screw all of them, I'm going

to do what I want anyway. But do what I want. Absolutely. Well, so that's pretty cool. I hope,

I hope you'll let us know when you get those out of jail and how they do, maybe post some videos of

you doing whatever it is you do. So we're asking it gently.

Yeah, so one of the other things we mentioned that we would talk about, and this is a topic

that we could talk about every episode and never get to the end of it is optics. And we've

talked a little bit about optics. Has anybody gotten a new optic lately? They want to chat about?

I got, it's, I got an optics that it's going to be for 22 that we don't have. It's going to be

another project. And I went ahead and put that thing on my AR because I just had a red, red dot

on there. And I wanted to shoot groups, things like that, you know, see the target a little different

and just give the give the scope a try. So on primary arms, I found that Winchester Supreme,

the old budget optic, usually like 50 or something. I've just picked it up for 150 bucks on there.

What was that? What, what magnification is it? It's, it's a wonderful, I like my wonderful house.

Oh, it's LB, LBVF. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And for 150 bucks, I'm very, very impressed with it.

That's awesome. So it's a Winchester. Did they, do they, do they,

Supreme makes it Supreme optics or whoever? Okay. I don't know if that's a part of Winchester or

that's something they own or contract with. Okay. Interesting. Well, I got, I was at the range with

some buddies and they were, we were all shooting from the 100 yard and they took a, took a break to

go cold. And by the time they got back, I pretty much had my, I picked a red dot off to see

that scope on. I ended up at about 10 rounds down range and then there was running drills at

100 yards with it in about, about five minutes. Nice. Well, I just, I, I got earlier this week a,

a Gideon optics, this will be a recurring thing because I have a lot of Gideon optics, but I got

a Gideon optics scope. I got the mediator XL, the, the doom, right. It looks like the size of,

like an EOTEC. And I, look, I love the aesthetics of an EOTEC, but my crap eyes, I just, and I know

if people tell me, oh, the EOTEC starts supposed to be clear and it's not clear for me. And I don't

know, I'm crazy and old fashioned, but I like optics that I look through to be clear and to be able

to see the reticle clearly. And it is like, good feature. You know, and people like argue with

me about it, like the EOTEC is not supposed to be clear. It's a, it's a holographic side. And it's

like, you know, well, that's cool. I just kind of like my first criteria is the optic. I need to be

able to see it clearly. That's, and what was the, what was the intention or the, the design function

of, of the EOTEC, it was supposed to be for my vision use. So there was some, there was some reason

probably, probably. It's probably more tactical than I'm doing with, with the gravy seals I

hang with. That's cool. But yeah, I mean, we go to our, we do our missions, our meal team,

six missions down at the Golden Crow. But dude, the Gideon optics stuff that I have, and I have

almost every model. I maybe have two or three. I don't have a lot of their stuff.

Have all been fantastic, but this thing, and I kind of thought it was being overblown because,

you know, some of the folks that we listen to about these things are obviously advertised as

your Gideon. But it is really cool. It's a giant, just, absurdly large window with a big ass

radical. And it's the donut death red donut death radical, which is my favorite, because it's

like a donut. And man, it's just, it's nice. And it's got a, it's got a removable like metal shroud

on it. But I put it on my AR-22, my dedicated AR-22. And I, on my serocote, the,

that gun. I think I'm going to share it with the shroud on it. But it's just a really nice optic.

I think it'll be, it's definitely great for that purpose. You know, maybe you don't storm

Fallujah or Baghdad. I don't know. I mean, although, like I said, I haven't had one of the Gideon's

failed me yet. And I definitely, it's more just range time. I'm not in combat, but I run a lot

around through them. But, well, yeah. So I think anybody, any other optics?

Well, I still haven't got to use my XL that I got a couple of weeks ago, because the guy

loaned it to is, I think he's intent on not giving it back. Oh, so you got the mediator XL also?

Yeah. And I was like, here, go check it out, compare it to your hollow sun, whatever the gigantic

QE1 or whatever is. And yeah, I think he's just playing with it. And he's forgetting to bring it

back to me. But, you know, I'll get it, I'll get it eventually. What do you think of it when you

look through it, though? It's pretty, pretty nice. I didn't. You didn't look through it? No, is,

I picked it up on my way to work and I handed it off to the guy to let him borrow it.

It's all right, though. He's, he's normally pretty good about returning things. I mean, he must be

or else, because I've, I've handed off $3,000, $4,000 worth of guns to a meta diamonds. I'd hear

go check these out, because he were asking questions. And he's always brought all of those back. So

I'm just counting on this one to come back eventually. Nice. Galab, anything new for you?

I had to check my mic status. Yeah. Not for me, but I got to play with it. My brother, of course,

fitted out. Carving, he'd acquired Daniel Buffett's

Mark 7, V11, lightly, something, something. Yeah, I can keep all their numbers straight.

Yeah, he picked up the B&T 556 Print X Suppressor. Couple of more of them.

Hey, not what I'm going to talk about, but man, what a righteous piece of material bad thing is

on a 16-inch rifle. That's pretty good. It's amazing. But he was looking for an optic. He's got

little older than me, his eyes, similar to the rest of us. Not as good as they used to be.

He's shopping for something kind of big, and he runs across. I've seen this before,

it's among the reviews and stuff. The Hollow Sun, Ames, AMS, similar to the Mediator XL, not as big.

Yeah. And he sends me a text link. He's like, what about these? And he sends it to me. And

accidentally, he sent me the Amber, the Gold Dot version. Yeah. So I told him, I was like, oh,

yeah, man, I don't know how you want the rest of your dish, but Gold is actually a cool thing

that Hollow Sun had done a while back for a long-forced-and-contract. He's like, what do you mean?

I think, well, the one you sent me is that they call it Gold Dot. It's an Amber Yellow Gold color.

And sorry, he had an appointment. We put it on his unit for him the other day.

Man, that is, we've got friends all over the place, all the guys who met

over the last year to go online, everything. When I tell you, that's the cleanest lens I've ever looked

through on a dot. Yeah. I want to get my hands on the Mediator. I want to try one.

But the Gold Dot, the Gold Redicle is really nice, isn't it?

It's, man, like I'm sold. I totally get it. I read an article about those years ago, and they

almost discontinued them. The sales were really low. They were government contracts. There's

actually law enforcement, I think, that came out in a qualification system in California,

where guys that had this, out of the technical name, medical tape name for it, but they're borderline

colorblind. So red and green are, they have issues with it. So how says like, well, we'll give you

an amber dot, and they in turn, they got this idea from somebody else. There are military grain

optics that come with, oh, by the way, this is the reason if anybody's ever driven a BMW,

this is the same reason why BMW has origin yellow instrumentation at night, not green, red,

or blue, like American cars. Okay. You know, I looked through one the other day,

one of my employees bought a different hollow sun with a gold redicle, and I was like,

oh, shit, like that's a gimmick, it's going to suck. And it is, it's like for my stigmatism,

it's fantastic. Amazing, man, that he's got the circle dot redicle. Yeah, there's this like a

little bigger, like a 38 or 36 instead of 32 normally. It's beautiful. Yeah, and he's got

fixed lights, Daniel defense fixed iron sights on his gun without out of the box straight on it,

cool witness like exact cool witness with the center of the dot with the iron sights.

Man, that thing is so much fun to shoot. I need to get one, but I, you guys already know,

I just, I've spent my my pre-summer budget on parts for my car, my jeet. Yeah.

So now I have to wait, but man, if I buy anything next, there's going to be a hollow sun gold dot.

I don't care if it's the 403, the 503, if I can get my hands on one of his, the A and S,

it's going to be the hollow sun gold. That was so impressive. I do like those. I do like those.

Well, we have, we have run a little over an hour now, guys, gentlemen, Tuske.

I think what you're probably switched, if there's no complaints, will switch to parting shots

and just give a quick quick out, whatever you want to say to before you sign off, Dr. Skarege.

Uh, no one is coming to save you. You are your own first responder.

Very original. Good stuff. No, no, it isn't.

From our good friend, Nick Dooley at the Air 15 podcast, it is one of my favorite.

That's the problem is we got these guys. We listened to the do some of your great job and they

have great endings like Sean's, but I'm not going to copy him. I just copied it for my business name.

Dusty, what do you got? That shit. Yeah. No, man, you put me on a spot. I got nothing, man.

I'll have a lot more chance to speak up. Thanks for hanging out, guys. Thanks for listening.

And we'll catch you next time. Absolutely. Gatlab.

I'm going to throw back to a few years back when Grand Pub used to do the data advice at the

end of his videos. I'll say as an old man looking at somebody and maybe doing this stuff.

No matter where you're at and what you're training, your career, your family, life, and social

life, always be willing to still be able to learn. Be willing to be a student. It's going to help

you be a better person when it's your turn to teach. Always be willing to learn. Thank you. Good

night. That's awesome. I don't know how I follow that either. You're the same, Gatlab. Yeah, he

completely killed us all. I mean, look, I think just be good to everyone around you.

Get out, shoot some guns. Have fun. Exercise. I can never write. And just don't be a shitty

gatekeeper. Encourage those around you to get into shooting, enjoy their guns, and just have

a good time. Be safe. Be responsible. Have a good time. That's all we got. We'll hopefully be

back next week with episode four. We're not going to tell you what we're going to talk about

because then we had to actually figure out what it is we said. We don't know. So we'll come

up. It will be of equal or lesser value to what you had tonight. All right. Everybody have a good

night. That's it. That's it. That's the two sir. That's the two sir. That's the two sir. Oh my god,

that's the one. We're being okay. Being mediocre. Less or equal value. Yeah. Oh my god.

I'm good for something of lesser or equal value. All right. We're going to have your videos out.

See you guys with the best. All right. All right. See y'all.

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