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So you're running for governor of Iowa and we can get in the whole politics of that maybe
later, but I'm interested in why.
You know, I think I think the primary catalyst for me doing this was I believe we are losing
our culture and our heritage as a people.
That's my honest belief.
And I believe it's not just in Iowa, it's across the country.
When I look around and see people that were running for office, it was all about policy.
It was all about here is this tax rate or you know, this regulation needs to be changed.
And I just thought no one is standing up to say we have to get the culture right first.
We have to step in and say what does it mean to be an American?
What does it mean to be an Iowa and are the traditions and the heritage and the value
of our ancestors important to us.
That's the, in the deepest part of my heart, what motivates me in something like this.
I actually don't want to be a politician, but I've not had interest in it.
You know, I spent a lot of my life in the private sector and building schools and I have a pretty
good life.
I have a great family and a wife who loves me and supports me.
But you know, in 1850, my family came over from Germany and great, great grandpa built
our farmhouse.
And we had that same house on this piece of land in Iowa until 2005.
And my great grandmother passed away and I can still remember my grandma called me and
she said, Zach, you wouldn't want anything to this old farmhouse would you?
And I had graduated from high school in Iowa.
I was off in college and I said, no, I'm, there's something better out here.
I'm off to get something to find something better.
And then a number of years later, I was driving by to see my other great-grandmother who lived
to be 103.
And I drove by the old farm and I just drove up, I said, hey, could I take a look around?
And they said, yeah, I said, you know, my great, great grandpa built this.
He was a third-class passenger on the SS Wyland coming from Hamburg, Germany as a 14-year-old.
He was in the stowage, that's why he traveled over to America.
And he became a carpenter and then earned enough money to buy the farm and build it with
his uncle.
And I said, hey, if you're everything about selling it, please let me know.
And I just didn't think anything coming to that time, but a couple years later, they
called me and said, hey, we're going to sell this farm.
But you know, I'm like, yes, I don't know how I'm going to do it.
But I end up scraping together enough money to get an FHA loan, a down payment, and I bought
the farm.
And then since that time in 2014, I've been working to rebuild it and restore it.
And is the house still there?
House is still there.
You know, when I bought it, it was covered in vinyls, it had been completely changed on
the outside.
Yeah, 150 years the long time.
Yeah.
And being completely changed on the outside.
But I went to my dad's cousin, Peter, and he just kind of had the repository of great
grandma's photos.
And so I got this pallet of boxes of photos.
And I spent, I'm not kidding, hundreds of hours going through photos.
And I was looking for every photo I could find in this whole farm house.
And I'll tell you, to anybody who wants to be radicalized on what we've lost as a culture,
spend that much time going through your great grandmother's photos, and you'll realize
the community, the traditions, the pride I've done it a lot of it's gone.
It's unrecognizable.
Unrecognizable.
And so I did that and I found every single picture I could find and I put the house back
together, bored by board, counted every single piece of sighting, make sure it matched.
And now we live in the home that was built by my great, great grandfather.
And I tell people, I didn't do that so I could run for governor.
I mean, I started doing this over 10 years ago.
I did it because I wanted my children to understand their story.
And that their heritage in their culture, what built them, the man who built this house,
who I bet hoped someday my kids would live in it, yes.
But knew he would never meet them, that that story matters deeply.
And so that's what really got me into this.
You know, I was not looking to run for the seed.
And as I was talking to my wife about this, the current governor of Iowa, who by the
way has done a very good job.
I mean, we're likely other than Florida, maybe the one of the most conservative states and
she's done a great job at that.
Nice person.
Yeah.
You know, when we were looking at this, my wife said, you know, the seed hasn't been open
in 20 years.
And there are issues in our state that are not dealing with taxes, they're not dealing
with regulations, there are systemic deep issues that are really causing our people to
be hurt.
And I talk about them all the time and it was kind of from her at this moment of, hey, you
know, put up or stop talking about it because this is an opportunity to go make real change.
So that's why I'm running.
So you said there are systemic issues that are not included in the normal palette of
politician concerns, which would be taxes and regulation.
How just in order of importance, can you go through a few of them?
Well, I think, you know, I've spent my life in large part as an entrepreneur and in
businesses, organization I've run or started, I have key metrics that I'm tracking to
know the health of my companies or the health of an organization.
And you know, I think, I think on that list for a state is the physical climate of it.
That's no doubt that's part of it.
I can people afford to live here.
Yes.
That's a big part, of course.
But the other, there's other deeper issues that I think are more long term in focus that
we, you know, because of this like constant news cycle of what's happening right now that
we all have to respond to, which thank God I'm not running for a federal office because
it's like never ending and always changing.
But because of because of that, often we're distracted or our eyes are taken off the
ball purposely from the big issues and a couple of them are this, I was number four in the
nation for net out migration of our kids 25 to 29.
Yeah.
How can you build a state if you're people leaving?
Important people.
Yes.
Yes.
We can talk about that.
Another one would be, you know, 25% of our farm lands now owned by out of state investors
and funds that don't live in our state.
So our farmers who have had this ancestral connection to the land are now becoming tenants
again, something we left Germany in large part four, you know, just take a side quest
here for a second.
I remember when I was doing a lot of that research in my family, to understand a lot about
the history and what drove them to leave this homeland of theirs, you know, because I
always made up, you know, 35, 40% German immigrants came over, very industrious people, very
family oriented people, people that had pride in the work that they do.
Objectively some of the best people ever, I would say that.
I'm not one of them, but I just, I just have noticed big on tradition and big on family
and a lot of pride in where they came from.
So what would motivate people to leave?
And you know, I think the common answer we always heard was, well, it's religious persecution.
So I started to get interested in this, just to understand more, what were the real conditions.
And I actually found out that, you know, my family, a lot of Germans came over around
1850, well, in 1848 in Germany, there's an attempted revolution across Europe, across
Europe, yes.
And it was called the 48ers.
And what did they want?
Well, they wanted to be able to own the ground under their feet.
They wanted free speech.
They didn't like slave free.
They had a lot of these, you know, now what we call western ideals.
It was the end of feudalism, right?
Yes.
Right.
And so what happened to them?
They were defeated.
And so in Germany, when they're defeated, many of them got exiled.
And then many others just left.
Well, what state came online in 1846 was Iowa.
And it was also very agrarian, just like where they came from.
So many people came over and I like to talk about this that, you know, one of the key
points in Iowa's history that I'm most proud of is how Iones responded during the Civil
War.
So, you know, we had them as very compromised, we had the Kansas Nebraska Act.
And with that, with that decision of, you know, they sort of get to decide whether or
not they're going to be free slave.
There was a lot of wealthy land-owning elites that were rushing to the Midwest to try
to lobby to create a slave states, of course.
And this Iowa...
Plantations on the Prairie.
Right.
And Iowa is not a part of this, you know, but one of my favorite stories in 1861, the governor
of Iowa, governor Samuel Kirkwood, he was on his plow in his field when a messenger
from the Department of War brought a message on horseback to him.
And then the president said he needed to put together a company of 750 troops to be ready
in two weeks.
And you might...
Mind you, this is 15 years after Iowa became a state, maybe we're in our infancy.
And he said, 750 troops in two weeks, how can that be done?
And two weeks later, 10,000 Iones had signed up.
By the end of the Civil War, more Iones fought in the Civil War than any other state per
capita.
Why was that?
I believe, and there's some evidence, of course, I've read deeply in this, that they had
just left a country that they saw oppression in, and they fled that, left everything.
And they were saying, this isn't going to happen here.
And so, I think when you talk about land, and you talk about now 25% of our land is now
owned by people that don't live in our state.
They're not contributing to our communities.
They don't go to the football games.
They're not shopping on Main Street.
It's a real generational issue, and I go to these auctions.
I've bid against many of these people, land auctions.
Oh, yeah.
And very often, it's a farm management company, the actual owner, we don't know who they
are.
We actually don't know who owns our land in Iowa.
There's not human level disclosure that's required.
So you can own land in LLC, and that LLC could be wholly owned by a trust, and all the
state knows is that the LLC owns a land.
That's it.
And so we've got to this place where just common courtesy, or just common tradition of
knowing who your neighbors are, is not there anymore.
What's impossible?
Yeah.
If you don't, can't find their names, it's kind of hard to have a community.
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And so one of the things that's governor that I want to do is require human level disclosure
of land ownership.
Because I would bet that it's actually more than 25% of our lands.
Of course it is.
Owned by people.
And then another two other ones.
By the way, if you don't have to bear the consequences of your actions, then you're
much more likely to exploit and degrade the community that you're taking money from.
So like why wouldn't you, I mean, why do you care about long term best practices?
You don't.
You're just extracting wealth.
This is the spiritual part of the discussion, I believe.
You know, I was, my father was a 30 year conservationist and a pastor.
And I grew up like learning to love and appreciate the place.
I tell, I've said this before, but you know, he legitimately made me believe that every
sunset was made for me by God.
Amen.
We'd be driving and say, look at what God made for you.
And I still think to those things to this day of just like those little pieces that made
me appreciate creation.
And one of my favorite clips from your show ever, ever is when you're on with Bobby Kennedy.
And he was having that discussion about how nature is how we connect deeply with God.
Yeah.
Makes me emotional thinking about it.
I couldn't agree more.
I said that to so many people and especially my father because it's true and it's language
we don't use anymore.
It brings you to a higher place and it helps you understand like this is much deeper than
just who owns a piece of land or what's happening.
It's actually like we are connected to God through the land through his creation.
And it's on every page of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
There's a lot of nature.
It's what's what's the Garden of Eden fill with trees, rivers, animals, right?
And all the parables that happen to that?
So that, of course, that's a systemic issue.
And let me say that that's been going on for a long time and nobody's really talked
about it.
You go to a cafe, every farmer's talking about these things about like you see that we
had a piece of land in Northwest Iowa recently go for $32,000 an acre, not development.
Okay.
I mean, just I'm a land buyer.
I'm interested in land.
I'm interested in, you know, and all that.
How do you get to $32,000 an acre?
And for, you know, famously productive farmland, like what is that?
What's the potential return on that?
How did that happen?
Well, let's just say commonly we'll go to $20,000 an acre.
That's fairly common in Northwest Iowa.
Some of the best land in the world.
It's a dog.
It is.
And so, you know, look, outside investors look at Iowa as a great investment because it's
a solid asset.
Yes.
It heads against the dollar.
And you get a dividend.
You rent the land like, oh, and so one of the things I kind of complain or opine about
a lot is that our land isn't an asset class.
It's actually was meant as the inheritance for the sons and daughters of our state to build
their lives, their communities and their families.
And when they're tenants on that land and they're paying high dollar rent, because the
only way you can justify high, high price like that is very high rent, you're stripping
away a lot of, you know, go back to say it's like kind of the spiritual aspect of this.
And that land is best when it's owned and farmed by the same person.
We know this.
We know this from, if you own rental properties, where it may be, like there's a connection
of stewardship that comes with that to know that I'm passing this piece of ground on to
my grandkids and their kids and their kids.
And that's what it should be.
And that is being actively taken away in our state.
It's a two other things that I think are big systemic issues that are on my scorecard,
as I'd say, is one is our farmers are actively being exploited by big ag companies.
When I was growing up, I born in Iowa.
We had over 300 seed and input companies, you know, fertilizer and agrochemical companies
that were selling to our farmers.
The day that number's three, that control 85% of the market, over 90% of seed technology
is owned by two companies.
Monsanto.
Actually, it's Bayer and Corteva, 90% of the Jones Monsanto now.
Seed technology.
No, of course, but I forgot that Monsanto doesn't actually exist anymore, does it?
I don't think so.
It changed the name.
It was bought by Bayer in Germany.
Yeah.
They're mentioned a lot in court still, but they're not a company.
So if you look at the long-term trend that anytime there's a rise in commodity prices,
these input costs go up, even though there's not a direct correlating factor.
You know, there's a study out of the University of Illinois, and this study compared the cost
of farming in Brazil to the cost of farming in Illinois, Iowa, basically.
You have to understand that the three big companies in America that provide these inputs
are also the same three big companies in Brazil, Bayer, Cortevans, and Gentah.
That study said that for growing corn using the same application rate, that they're charging
Brazilian farmers about $150 less per acre than they are Iowa farmers.
How?
Well, the real answer is because they're an unchecked monopoly and competition doesn't exist.
There's tacit collusion.
But here's how it actually works.
They have what they call regional base pricing.
But what it really is is this, when they look at their pricing, they base it on the yield
that you're going to create.
So let's say you have more productive land, even though you're using the same amount of product,
they're going to take more.
You have less productive land, even though you're using the same amount of product, they're
going to take more.
It's wrong.
And I will give credit to Brook Rollins and Donald Trump in the administration.
They're talking about bringing antitrust and investing in this with the Department of
Justice.
And one of the things I pledge to do, if I'm governor of Iowa, I'm going to lead the
charge to bring antitrust suits against these companies that are exploiting our farmers.
They're taking every dollar they possibly can.
And we're already on life support.
I mean, many, many, most farms are operating at a loss right now.
And when you talk to farmers about this, you do not, I can't emphasize this enough.
You do not hear them talk about tariffs.
They're not.
Matter of fact, the price of soybeans this year with the tariffs was higher than it was last year
before the tariffs.
The change came that the cost of growing went up.
I mean, the cost of the input products that they're using went up.
And so I tell people all the time, the tariffs are not the issue.
We have to get this unchecked monopoly in check and under control.
Obviously, inputs are essential to agriculture, well, to any, creating anything.
One of them is diesel fuel, not a lot of movement there, but then you have the products
that you just mentioned, seeds and fertilizer.
Taking out seeds, let's just focus on fertilizer.
What are the products like?
Well, I mean, it just depends on the most common product for fertilizers in hydrosimonia.
It's used in the fall.
It's where a lot of nitrogen comes from.
But then you have other products that are products from earth, potassium, potash, those things.
But you look at the trend of the pricing in these.
I think it was five years ago.
The past five years, nitrogen fertilizers went up 150% in the price of corn down 2%.
So farmers are there really being, I would say, extorted in this process.
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Today's thing, I was really surprised but I don't know much about it.
But I was hunting on a farm in November right before Thanksgiving a big, big, big working farm.
And I was with the ranch manager and in a truck and he said,
this is a truck we used to spray roundup.
And I said, people choosing roundup, I don't know, you know, I'm not in the ag business.
I thought roundup was bad.
Yeah.
Again, I'm very ignorant, but I just thought I didn't realize that people are still spraying roundup.
He said, oh, everyone sprays roundup like everybody does.
And we kind of don't talk about it.
And I'm like, hmm.
I mean, is that I'm not attacking roundup specifically?
But like, are we sure that these chemicals are all safe?
Well, you know, well, roundup is the most highly used herbicide in history of the country.
This is the world.
Because it's so effective.
I mean, I've seen it.
It's losing its effectiveness greatly.
It has to be, yeah, you'll have different mixtures now.
Yes.
That'll go in because we're getting roundup resist or life is eight resistant weeds.
And now there's the high percentage of weeds have glyphosate resistance.
So, you know, I think in some ways, the life cycle roundup is kind of,
it's going to be coming to an end on its own.
It's limited by nature.
It's limited by nature.
And new products are coming out.
But I will tell you this.
When you talk about safety of products, well, let me back up and just talk about the companies.
I mentioned the three big companies that are controlling the ag input market,
Bayer, Cortevins, and there's other ones.
But Bayer is a German company.
Yes.
Cortevins is an American company.
Top shareholders are BlackRock, Vanguard, and States trade of that company.
But Sinjenta is a wholly owned state enterprise of the Chinese government.
Actually?
100%.
So, about somewhere on the end of five million acres in our state has chemicals and seed technology
from a company that's a wholly owned company of the state of China, the country of China.
So, I mentioned that to say this.
If you talk to farmers about some of these products, and you know, like glyphosate
or roundup is, you know, very ubiquitous you used.
But if you talk to them about products, even many of them won't use anymore,
you'll get to products like Paracquod.
Paracquod is actually was really originally formulated by Sinjenta.
Paracquod was used in anti-drug spraying in Latin America was very controversial for that.
And it'll burn down plants in a matter of hours.
But if you're exposed to Paracquod, your chance of Parkinson's doubles,
that's not a fact.
Actually?
Oh, yes.
Parkinson's?
There's people.
That's something you don't want to get.
Now, if you go next and you type in and you just like look at Paracquod, you'll find stories of farmers
who just will not use anymore.
They'll tell stories of spraying it and immediately getting like that day,
getting like uncontrollable bloody noses.
It's a very, very harsh product.
And it's still spring.
I think the estimate, the best estimate is about 300,000 acres of land and Iowa uses product.
This product is actually used in research settings in mice and rodents to induce Parkinson's.
Are you being serious?
I'm 100% serious.
And our EPA, and this is where the big issue lies.
Our EPA still allows it.
So if we're talking about like, are these products harmful?
Well, we can get into that more, but yes.
Well, we know.
If it doubles your chance of Parkinson's, you're going to have to explain the upside to continue selling that product.
I mean, my instinct is like, well, you'd ban that today.
And I think that's what people Parkinson's want now.
That's true suffering.
Yeah, it's a sentence you don't want.
No.
But when you can research this, your list of skin researchers, it is used to induce Parkinson's in research settings.
So when I talk about these products, I think what farmers want is to understand the truth,
to know that their government is telling them the truth about these products.
It was.
But as with many other things, the corporate capture is so heavy.
And so when you talk about glyphosate or glyphosate-based herbicides, roundup is one of them.
There's many glyphosate-based herbicides.
The EPA has studied this for years.
We know way more than we've ever known about this.
And we also know that there are significant risks associated with its use.
And so, for example, one of the most known cases is the case of the groundskeeper in California, the first major lawsuit against Monsanto.
And this was a man who was his job was to work for the school districts in spray glyphosate.
And the hose broke on his on his packer in his little cart and it ended up showering him with this product.
In a matter of months, he had lesions, all of his body.
And he sends emails to Monsanto asking, what should I do here?
I mean, they're very like, I need help.
Like not, I'm trying to blame you. He's like, what do I do to solve this problem?
Well, if you fast forward in that trial, when they were in the discovery process, the judge agreed to make a large portion of the discovery confidential.
Meaning that it wasn't, you know, it wasn't to be released.
But the plaintiffs could challenge something or request the disclosure of it.
And they could request a meet and confer to talk about them.
And they requested it at one point.
And the Monsanto attorneys, I think literally said the words go away.
We're not going to disclose anything else.
But then there's enough.
Do I get to do that next time I get sued go away?
Go away.
And so, but there's a stipulation there that said, if they didn't, if Monsanto didn't put in there, another request continued the confidentiality within 30 days, that the confidentiality was waived.
They forgot to respond.
And so now we have millions of pages of documents called the Monsanto papers, millions.
And in those documents, it is an absolute master class in corporate capture.
To the effect of, you know, that email that he sent to the company, they opened it, they read it, they forwarded around what should we do here and they just didn't respond to him.
I'm a man who's like hurting, who's of the initial email and covered in lesions from your product.
What should I do?
What should I do?
Yeah, basically, he's asking for help.
They read it, forwarded around.
What do we do with this?
Nobody responded to him.
And there's, he sent two of those emails.
I believe it was two.
But in there's also things like, there was a time and place where another governmental body was going to be doing a study on the safety of glyphosate or roundup in this case.
And the EPA official that Monsanto was working with at the time got wind of this.
And in the email with the, with the Monsanto official, he's recounting his conversation with this EPA official.
And in it, he said, the official said to him on the phone, he quotes it in the email, if I can kill this, I should get a medal.
And he did.
He prevented this other governmental body from doing their own independent research on the safety and effectiveness of glyphosate of roundup.
Come on now.
This is real.
This is out there.
This is the regulator.
This is the regulator.
Yes.
And so this is out there.
And other egregious examples of, and I say this is say this very often I'm talking to farmers who I love, where my friends and my neighbors and my family.
And I am one of them.
We actively farm our own land.
I work with young farmers that, you know, to help them have an opportunity to be on land.
We share crop.
But I'm in there.
I'm doing this.
The most common common I get from people is if it wasn't safe, they wouldn't let me use it.
And I'm just here to say that's a lie.
Just like they were captured during COVID and the medical establishment captured agencies, just like Bobby Kennedy is fighting right now and Donald Trump is fighting right now.
These agencies have been captured for a long time and they've been lying to the consumers about the safety and efficacy of their products.
And my whole goal here, I'm not here to sit and say we should ban X, Y, or Z.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I mean, I think there's certain things like periquot probably should not be used.
I mean, no problem.
It should be used of Parkinson's like hard.
Hard.
No, it shouldn't be used.
But what I want is good science.
So farmers can say, do I want to use this product?
And we can say, should this product be allowed?
And also know if I'm going to use this product, this is how it should be used.
I mean, you have commercials.
I mean, we know how glyphosate enters the bloodstream.
We know that if it's on your skin, about 30% enters your bloodstream.
About 10% of that is through cardiac output, about 10% goes into your bone marrow.
In bone marrow, glyphosate disrupts the replication of hematopoietic stem cells during the differentiating from red to white.
It's genotoxic.
There's 50 studies that show this, like we know how it happens.
And yet there's commercials showing people using this products in flip flops and shorts,
just saying like, be cavalier about it.
We have many products we use.
You go into my shop at the farm.
There's many products in the shelf that if they're used improperly, are bad for your health.
And they warn about that on the label.
These do not, not in that same way.
But in these papers were also examples like this.
In 2000, there was a study called the William study.
It's the most cited study on the safety of glyphosate, the most cited.
99.9% of all papers that cite the safety of glyphosate cite this study.
Last month, that study was retracted because it was found that Monsanto executives wrote it.
Wrote the study.
But here's maybe even the worst part.
We found that out in 2017 and it was retracted in 2025.
The Monsanto executive actually said, when he's sending this back,
he better not have any revisions.
That's what he said.
Look, you know, I think oftentimes when you talk about the subject, especially in my home state,
there's this desire to paint you as some liberal hippie that doesn't like farming.
I'm the exact opposite that I can tell.
I actually think that wokeism is a mental disorder that's trying to destroy our country.
Of course.
And then we have got to fight to protect our culture, our people and our heritage.
But I also believe that our government has been captured in large part.
And this is one of the most egregious examples.
It's really simple.
You know, why do you love the country?
One of the reasons you love it is because of its physical beauty, the landscape.
I mean, America is great because it's got great people and because it's inherently great.
It's just beautiful.
And anyone who's dispoiling nature is an enemy of the country.
Super simple.
Anyone building ugly buildings, spraying poisonous chemicals, those are our enemies.
Those are not our friends.
I don't think it's complicated at all.
And that's not the liberal position.
The liberals are the ones who are putting bulldozing trees to build solar farms.
Let's just be clear about what this is.
It's an aggressive, coordinated effort to defile God's creation by people who hate God.
Not hard.
Abortion is directly related to building strip malls.
Sorry.
They're both destructions of beauty and of God's creation.
That's what I think.
And I'm not a liberal.
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Exactly.
And here's the thing.
I think farmers agree with a lot of this.
And of course they do.
They're looking to say, like, look, number one,
many of these guys would like to try different things.
But when you're operating a razor thin margins,
the idea of trying a new method of farming is not that appealing.
Because like, what if it doesn't work?
They can't, you know, keep the farm next year.
And so these, these are our people that enjoy hunting,
enjoy fishing, enjoy nature, want to be outdoors.
Like, this is our culture.
That's what we like.
And you're right.
Like, we are the environmentalists.
Like, obviously, we are the people that want to keep that
and keep God's creation.
Bernie Sanders spends a lot of time outside.
You think AOC can identify a tree species?
I mean, these are people who are rejecting nature, rejecting beauty,
rejecting anything that is natural and pure
and trying to defy it.
That's their program.
Yeah.
Well, and they've been completely captured by this side,
like this religion of carbon.
But it's insane.
And so carbon is not, I'm, by the way, emitting it right now.
Carbon is not the problem.
Carbon is the basis of life.
Yeah.
Problem is man-made poisons.
Yeah.
So how's the health?
Okay.
So, um, I was still primarily an ag state, obviously.
Yeah.
What we are, absolutely.
We have ag at all non-union counties.
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
Yes.
Ag is the largest industry.
And kind of come to the last point of like that,
that score kind of mentioned to you.
It's like, we have the fastest rate of new cancer
of anywhere in the history of human civilization.
What?
Yes.
Can you repeat that?
We have the fastest rate of new cancer
of anywhere in the history of human civilization.
Iowa?
Iowa.
Iowa.
Matter of fact, if you live in one of the top counties
for cancer in our state, they're all rural counties,
your lifetime chance of getting cancers one and two.
And if you take Iowa as a whole,
and you compare it to say a state like Nevada,
Nevada actually has fairly low cancer rates.
And any given year?
Nevada is the highest smoking rate out of 50 states,
but one of the lowest cancer rates.
Iowa has very low smoking rates,
very low smoking rates relative certainly to Nevada
and has a really high cancer rate.
I'm just not a scientist.
I'm just noticing.
I just, I picked Nevada because I needed to pick a state
that I was like looking at.
That is the highest smoking rate in America.
Look it up.
So if you choose to live in Nevada over Iowa
and any given year, your chance of getting cancer
is 40% less.
I have, why have I never heard this 40%?
If you take the top county for cancer in our state,
and you compare it, 70% less.
Actually.
Actually.
And it's the top county and ag county.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
It's not too long.
No, no, no.
Actually, there's lower rates of cancer.
I mean per capita, of course, in those places.
For real, in your population centers,
they have lower cancer.
It's the top 10 counties are all rural counties.
So you can say that people who are spending the day
outside getting physical exercise 12 months a year
with those people of higher cancer rates
and someone working in a cube in Des Moines,
then you start to think, hmm, maybe there are external factors
we should be looking at.
You know, as I've brought this up,
I find myself, this is so interesting.
I find myself with a genuine care
because like I said, I'm not trying to tell farmers
how they have to farm.
I'm not trying to tell everybody they have to farm like me.
Like we run into a gendered farm, lots of it's organic.
My goal is to help Iowans live longer healthier lives,
help farmers make more money,
and help kids stay on farms for longer.
That's like, is the farmers who are being abused here?
They're the victims here.
A hundred percent.
They're the ones getting cancer.
It's a hundred percent.
And that's, you know, and I'll talk to farmers about this
or I'll talk to people that maybe are big in the ag community.
And they hear these talking points.
They'll say like applicators of these products
have lower cancer rates.
And they're not wrong.
That's actually an accurate statement.
Meaning farmers, in general, as a whole,
can have lower cancer rates.
But when you hone in specifically on non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,
leukemia, they have much higher cancer rates.
The lifestyle of the job is going to give you more exercise.
It's going to put you out.
And so there are these things that lower it.
But you hear these industry talking points about like,
actually, there's lower in total.
It's like, yeah, but your chance of getting these specific cancers linked
to these products is much higher.
And so even with the rate of cancer in our state,
you know, I'm in a governor's race right now.
And even with the rate of cancer in our state,
there's not one person talking about these things
that I'm talking about right now with the likely causes of the cancer in our state.
We hear things like fear you'll be attacked as a liberal for bringing this up.
I fear most that isn't a fear.
But most, I think that the ag associations,
especially ones that are not member driven, you know,
are constituted by actual farmers that take large checks
from the companies that I'm mentioning right now,
I think the most likely scenario that everybody's warned me about
is they're just going to come and try to destroy me.
I'm literally here because I could get into tears thinking about the people
that I know that have gotten cancer.
My own father got it.
He was a crop consultant.
So his job was to go into fields, check for pests, weeds.
I used to do this with him as a child.
I had a lot of fun doing it.
He'd write a report and he'd bring it back to the farmers.
And this is part of his job.
He did it very well.
And this is just the norm.
It's what you did.
And he'd recommend this is what you should apply.
He did that for over two decades.
And he was diagnosed with one of these exact types of cancer.
And that's what really, I think, rolled was he?
He was 60?
Ouch.
Well, Tucker, this is maybe...
Sorry.
Thank you.
He's in remission now.
Thank the Lord.
But this is where I think this hits home spiritually, too,
is that I think Iowans in myself included, you know,
about three and a half months ago,
I went back to my hometown that I grew up in in Iowa
for the funeral of my best friend from high school for his father.
He died of cancer again in the 60s.
And I tell people like, I don't know how many more of these
funerals of men and women in their 60s.
I can go to when their parents lived to be 80.
I go, we're losing the wisdom of entire generation of people.
That's true.
And what life expectancy goes down is not progress.
No.
So I tell people, and this is the more the political way to say it,
look, we can have amazing...
I have until people...
I'm not running for office because of policy,
I'm running because of culture, and they say,
what does that mean?
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And I think what that amounted to is there's so many people
have subscribed to what I call this religion of economic thinking.
This idea of market fundamentalism,
that the market matters above all.
And I say, that's not what our ancestors believed.
It's not what our founders believed.
How has it worked?
Exactly.
I say to about our ancestors,
they didn't come here to become capitalists.
They came here to own the ground under their feet,
to build their churches and communities,
and pass something on to the next generation.
To their children, of course.
But they didn't come here to do it at the detriment of their neighbors.
They actually came here to do it, helping their neighbors.
Well, you obviously are a communist.
I have to tell you, the amount of arguments that I hear
from this generation that has subscribed
to this religion of economic thinking,
which by the way our founders did not support.
They were in favor of tariffs.
The states all had laws,
but primarily all of them had laws to protect moral virtue.
Like, this was a part of what they did.
They knew it.
And they knew because the state has a role in that.
And we were, we are a Christian nation
with a Christian form of government.
Like, our constitution could not have been created
by any other religion.
You're not endowed by a creator.
You don't have available rights.
In Christianity, you do.
The divinity in individual is real.
We're made in the image of God.
And so I have these arguments with people
where I'm saying, look.
25% of the lands owned by us are investors.
I'd like to raise their property taxes.
I'd like to disincentivize this thing
that's been happening in our state
and create a new category of tax for investment land
for people that are coming into prospecting.
And I'm just, this is socialism.
This is communism.
I'm just saying, who says that?
This is what gets me.
It's self-defense is immoral now.
It's basically what they're saying.
You're not protecting your...
You're not allowed to defend yourself.
Yeah.
I would just say, Iowa is not an economic zone for the world
or for the country.
It's not.
You're upsetting me.
Yes.
I agree.
And so when I, but when I say this,
it's oftentimes people that were, you know,
that were, oftentimes it's people
that were really affected
by the economic thinking that came out
of the Chicago School of Economics.
And when I trace much of this back,
I look at what happened in the 1980s.
I think Ronald Reagan did a lot of great things.
But there's also this market fundamentalism
that really took over.
And then you look at what's been the repercussions of that.
This idea that unrestrained capitalism
is what we worship.
Or that it even is capitalism.
That it even is capitalism?
Because oftentimes it's...
It's corporatism.
Of course.
It's just, always.
Exactly.
Or that free trade is the ideal.
It's like, even the fathers of modern economics,
Adam Smith, even David Ricardo,
who was a person that basically developed the idea
of comparative advantage.
This is a big thing.
Yes, free trade is good.
If you protect your national interests first.
Like...
Like phrases.
The silicon microchip was invented
by a man from Iowa.
Robert Noise, who then tell.
And then you look at what's happened now in our country
from a product that was invented in our country.
We produce 10% of them.
And basically all of the high-tech versions of this.
We can't produce.
We don't have the technologies.
So the ones that would be a military application
are coming from somewhere else.
So there's this idea that the market matters over all.
I was saying, no, that's not.
We don't worship the market.
Like...
The most egregious example of this,
I think, is when you look at what happened
through free trade in the Rust Belt and throughout the Midwest.
Where you had people that were told that
the other jobs were being shipped overseas.
But they'd be replaced by high-tech jobs
that then they'd be trained by,
by the way, as a lie, it didn't happen.
Matter of fact,
the biggest benefits that came from that
were for the leaders of large companies
that chose to do what Adam Smith said not to do,
which was, you know, free trade was about...
was about one country doing something really well,
another country doing another thing really well,
in the exchange.
A comparative advantage in the market
isn't exploitative labor conditions
of a communist government.
That's not included in the comparative advantage.
That Adam Smith didn't foresee that.
No, and so, like, when Capitals mobile
and you can move all of these factories to one place,
to get cheap labor,
everything's going there.
And then so, who got rich off that?
Well, large companies got rich.
And then pharmaceutical companies got rich
that prayed off purposeless white males
who lost their work.
Of course.
In large partners.
Exactly.
And it created...
Still billionaires.
Never went to jail.
And, like, as I say this,
I get, like, a good response
because it's like,
this is just wrong.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, the hundreds of thousands of deaths
that have come from this,
when you take work and purpose away from people,
and you sell them a lie,
then it's going to be replaced by these high-tech jobs,
or high-tech training for jobs,
and it doesn't happen.
And then you have these practices,
where people, you know, like,
here's a new customer.
We can get them addicted.
There's a stat I read.
It's almost like it was on purpose.
You know, in 2016,
the World Economic Forum had that article
that was published still online.
I don't know why it's still online today.
But I talked about this idea that,
in the future,
you'll own nothing,
and you'll be happy.
I tell people like,
that wasn't a joke.
It wasn't a threat.
It was a plan.
Of course.
And it's happening.
Oh, I know.
And so there,
I think many people in our country
just feel as if there's this large plan
or effort that's being executed
that we're not privy to.
No.
But we have these siops that happen
that, like,
that come up and
we're fed them through news
or something like that to get on board with it.
And I think what we just talked about
is probably a large part of that.
This idea that we're going to take away
meaningful manual labor with your hands,
which, by the way,
is, like, maybe second to farming,
that type of work is really gratifying
because you're creating a product for it.
I do it in my spare time.
Like, I can't wait to get off work and do it.
Not because I'm great at it or something,
but because it's so rewarding.
It's so refreshing.
It feeds something.
It feeds a real hunger, I think,
and all men.
And so, yes, no.
It's like my primary
former relaxation.
I just love it.
And I think every man feels that way.
I agree.
Man, you look at some of these
channels on social media
that have taken off.
Oh, yeah.
It's so much of this because
they're like a dictating.
It's like, I love watching.
Gosh, even the bushcraft videos
of people making these houses
and they're amazing.
Or how about Pakistani
metalworking videos?
You ever watch those?
Yes.
That's a whole genre.
Those guys are amazing.
I've never really liked Pakistan.
I spent time in Pakistan.
You watch those videos.
You're like, I'm pretty pro-Pakistan.
Just the ingenuity, the craftsmanship,
which is not high, by the way,
but it's just like these are men
making things out of raw materials.
And it's real to watch that.
Yeah.
And they're proud of what they create.
100% and they ought to be.
They should.
And they have my respect.
Yeah.
And me as well.
And I would just say that
I look at this from the standpoint of
you'll own nothing.
And I look at this large narrative
that's happening in our country.
I mean, you know this, but
even in Iowa, Blackstone is buying
single-family homes.
There's another company
in Council Bluffs that's doing as well.
Multi-billion dollar
real estate investment trust.
It's buying up single-family homes.
In Council Bluffs?
Council Bluffs.
That's a tough town.
Yeah.
You're right across the river from Omaha.
Yeah.
It wouldn't be your first choice.
That's how ubiquitous this is.
Right?
It's like a Council Bluffs.
Yeah.
And then you look at our
farmlands being bought by people
that don't live here.
And even when you get back into
agriculture and you look at,
Iowa is a top pork producing
state in the country.
Yes.
What most people don't know is
I think somewhere above 75%
of the pork that's raised in Iowa,
the farmers don't own the pigs.
Of course not.
They're on contract
from one of the big four agriculture
from Glamourts, Cargill,
Tyson, JBS,
and National.
So we're having this pride in our work,
this pride in our land,
the health of our people,
we're having these major issues come up.
Can I ask you a question?
I mean, that does,
so you won't know nothing
and be happy is a very famous phrase
and thank you for reminding us
that it was 10 years ago
that it first emerged
and that it was real.
It was not a meme at the point.
It was like a statement of intent.
But I think that has obscured
that even darker reality,
which is not only you not own anything,
you won't create anything.
Yeah.
I personally just speaking for myself
as a middle-aged man,
I would rather at this stage create
than own.
I like both.
But the joy, the thing that proves
that you were made in God's image
is your ability to create
because God is the creator.
Yeah.
And when you create something,
it's the whole purpose of being here,
whether it's children,
or harmony,
or a pair of reading glasses,
creation,
making something out of nothing
is the main joy in life.
And when you take that away,
no wonder people are unfindable.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, also,
I think maybe missing,
like the biggest one of those,
is speech.
Well, exactly.
Of this right here,
of what you're creating.
I like to believe that's a form of creation.
It is.
That's it.
It's like this from my life talking.
Speech is that.
And that is that creating.
This is where I believe
that we get bogged down
in the like the policy
and the politics of this whole thing.
And we forget about the grander story
of who we are as a people
that were endowed by our creator
that were here for a big purpose.
You know,
I spent a number of years building schools.
And one of the things we'd say is that we believe
every young person is a hero
on their journey
to find a calling and change the world.
And like that was the inspirational line
that we would say basically every day.
Like that's who we are.
That's why we're here.
And a lot of this creation
has been,
has been taken away,
as you mentioned.
And AI is not the least of which.
I tell my kids all the time.
Look, use AI for research.
Never let it write for you.
Writing is how you organize your thoughts.
It's how you can think something through
to separate the wheat from the chaff
to understand how to think critically
to test your ideas
and then get into bait and things like that.
You can't have a machine do that.
So it's a uniquely human thing
is for us to come up with these ideas
based on our unique life experience.
It's like saying eat a steak for me.
Have sex for me.
You know, wake up at dawn
and watch the sunrise for me.
No, I'll reserve those to myself
because I'm sure the greatest pleasures in life
and creating something is number one
on that list of joy.
So like, why would you ever outsource that to a machine?
I never understand that.
Did you see the commercial for the product
that basically records
like your grandmother,
you record them when they're alive?
And then after they pass away,
it creates basically an avatar of them
but the actually you can steal my memories
and replace them with the creation of a machine.
Yeah, I don't think so.
This is real though.
Actually, for the longest time,
we accepted technology.
And it looked, farming is a big,
in this too, it's like,
look, it reduced the burden of labor.
And there's a certain part of the point to that,
that's probably good.
Meaning like hand plowing a field
is a really difficult task.
Using a tractor.
Okay, that's probably okay, right?
It is okay.
Obviously I'm joking.
But then when you start to see
what it's being used for now
to replace human beings,
meaning you can continue to have conversations
with this grandmother
long after she's passed away
and she'll give you her unique thoughts.
Well, that's completely stripping
with the affinity of humanity.
This idea that we're creating God's image,
that we each have something unique to share.
And humanity is something to be protected
and is very special in the history of the universe.
It's very special.
And so like, let me just say this.
A lot of my campaign comes down to this question.
I was reading an essay by Windelberry.
Ah.
You know, it's funny.
As you were talking,
I was just thinking of Windelberry.
And I was going to say,
apropos of nothing.
I love Windelberry.
I thought maybe he's never heard of Windelberry.
I love that you read Windelberry.
I love Windelberry.
As a essay, I'm not 11.
It was so radical.
I think it got taken off the internet.
But it was like so good.
You know, I maybe shouldn't say this on here.
But I drive a Tesla
and it has an autopilot feature.
And there's a period of time
when I'd be driving with my kids
and somewhere and I might like, you know,
pull out the Windelberry poem book.
And give them.
And so on the way to schools,
they're talking to my sister-in-law yesterday
about Windelberry poems.
Literally yesterday.
I would actually have the kids take turns in the car
reading a poem to each other.
No way.
Because, look,
understanding these ideas,
I don't know if there's other than faith
and they're tied in together,
inextricably woven together
are the ideas that Windelberry puts forward
in the ideas of our faith.
You can't separate them because
it's about creation.
Yes.
It's about protecting that
and understanding that
we were told to tend the garden
and were told to subdue,
but not destroy, of course.
And so,
I would have the kids read this
because it's like,
I want you guys to know,
like, look, if I'm gone tomorrow
and you knew two things about me
that I loved my Savior
and I loved the creation.
Yes.
I'd be very happy.
And I hope that, you know,
if that's the only two things
you remember about me
you just had to keep reflecting
on those two things.
Great.
You're making me emotional again.
Sorry.
But in this essay,
I was actually in the Atlantic.
If you're listening to Windelberry poems
in the car with your kids,
like, I'm,
tell me where the fundraiser is
because I'm going
because I just weaned more of this in America.
So, um,
he had this poem,
this essay wrote in the Atlantic,
I think it was 1991.
And somebody,
some quote,
I read,
turned me on to that.
And I was like, I wonder what this is.
So, I went and read,
read the whole thing.
And in it, he talked about this idea.
And I think this summarizes
so much what I'm talking about.
When I say,
our farm,
farm lines being owned by people
who don't live here,
our jobs are being shipped
to other countries,
or factories being shipped
to other countries.
We've unchecked monopolies
that are exploiting our farmers.
We have highest cancer rate,
but we're not talking about it.
Windelberry said
that a foundational question
that the Amish ask
before they make any big decision
is,
what will this change
do to our community?
Yes.
And I think,
I don't know anyone
who would deny
that our politicians
and our leaders
have not been asking that question
for a very long time.
That is absolutely right.
And that is absolutely right.
And we don't ask ourselves enough,
how will this change us
and our relationships
and our understanding
of God in the world?
And I think that of labor-saving devices,
I find myself,
I'm the product of, you know,
America and at its peak
and there's not enough labor actually,
and I find myself trying
to eliminate labor-saving devices
from my life,
merely so I will have
the experience of labor.
Yeah.
We hand grind our coffee.
Don't have to do that.
Why do we do that?
I always say,
to my befuddled and grumpy children,
like, because we're not depending on electricity
for everything.
You can grind your own coffee.
It's okay.
And I just feel like
that, and obviously I'm insane,
so that informs a lot of my decisions
as my lunacy,
but it also speaks to,
like, a need in all people
to be involved
in the production of something.
Yeah.
Right?
Oh, absolutely.
Like, Dordash is,
I'm not against Dordash,
but like, not that I've used it,
but like,
I don't know.
You gain something,
but you also lose something.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, they're there.
When you feel the feeling of accomplishment,
it's a liberating feeling.
Yes.
It's a feeling that brings pride.
And I would say this,
it's a feeling that brings pride
that also, if you understand
your own history of your family
and your story,
you can connect it to
what's happened generation
and generation and generation before.
I think so much
of where we've went wrong
is that, you know,
I was at a,
gosh, I was at a,
a funeral for a woman
that I loved dearly.
Her name was Becky Elder,
and she was an agrarian.
From Kansas,
and you know,
lived in Kansas for a while,
and she was somebody
who started schools.
She was an amazing woman.
I mean,
like,
this could get me emotional,
but I was at her funeral
about a week ago,
and she was,
I would call,
a daughter of the prairie,
like,
loved creation,
tended it,
had their own farms,
all these things,
and her son was reading
something about her
and he said,
one of the most common sins
is forgetting.
Forgetting where we come from,
forgetting our heritage,
forgetting that these places
really matter,
and so like,
when I'm in my community,
and I'm seeing the people
I'm surrounded with,
in large part,
you know, it's like,
many of these places
feel forgotten,
especially by our politicians,
who don't ask these questions
of what will these changes
do to our community?
I have a defensive mechanism
that comes up in me to say,
like,
I'm going to hear it.
I'm going to fight for you.
I'm going to do it.
I don't know what that is.
I don't know where that came from,
but I would just say
that God put something on me
to say,
look,
maybe I win this governor's race,
maybe I don't.
My whole life
is going to be focused
on these issues,
because they're issues
of caring for your neighbor.
And it's the one of the two
commands I've been given
by Jesus.
And so, you know,
that's why we work with,
you know,
we could do farming
a different way
and I could make more money on that.
I have a family
that I love
that I want to,
like, work with,
specifically because
it's additive
to the whole equation.
Yes.
You know,
my great grandparents
were living on the farm.
I've found all these documents
and I hear stories
about them
from the community.
You know,
it's so interesting.
It's like,
we talk about,
we don't know who owns our land.
You know,
before,
when I was growing up
and I'd talk about these pieces of land,
we've bought some of these pieces
because the people have passed on
and oftentimes they'll want to sell
to us because they know
where my heart is
and they don't want it to go
into an auction
and they don't want it going to somebody
from out of state,
or out of the country,
we don't know.
We call the pieces of land
by the last name of the people
that lived there forever.
Of course, always.
We do the same.
That's what we do.
Exactly right.
And it's honoring.
I've told my wife,
I plan to put up plaques
or signs saying,
like, this is this farm.
This is the history of this farm.
It's exactly what we do.
It's exactly right.
And that's exactly the way to do it.
And so,
when I was talking early on
about this idea of something lost,
I remember hearing some of these stories
and one of the stories I really loved was that,
you might,
uh,
great grandmother,
great grandpa,
uh,
when they were on this farm,
you know,
these Iowa communities
used to be dotted
with these small farmsteads all over.
Many of them have just been bulldozed
and farmed over
because, you know,
people are growing and growing
and growing farm.
Consolidation is happening everywhere
and, of course.
And with the consolidation,
every time a farm is consolidated,
I say to people,
life goes out of our community.
Like, we have to get our young people
back on these farms.
One of my biggest,
efforts,
I'm going to be undertaking
is to do that.
They were so tight-knit
in these communities that,
uh, people tell me,
you know,
we used to come over
to your house,
this house.
Coffee was on till 10 p.m. at night.
And you're a great grandma,
you're a great grandpa,
actually,
the counselors
of our neighborhood.
So they had these groups.
And so,
if
husband and wife were having an issue,
they'd come over,
and they'd sit
and talk this through.
If they're having issues with kids,
they'd sit and talk these things through.
And they cared for each other.
And they cared for each other.
And they're involved in each other's lives.
And
we're experiencing,
likely, the exact opposite
of that trend happening.
And
it's having a profound effect
on our culture
or becoming insular
and othering.
That, you know,
just because you have a bumper sticker
that somebody doesn't like,
that they're not to be talked to,
just not at all.
Like,
what defined us
back then?
No.
Not at all.
And we're not allowed
to behave like that, anyway.
My dream for the state of Iowa
is to see
a long-term, rich,
agrarian society.
Like a long-term, rich,
agriculture heritage
be restored.
That's my dream.
And that's,
that's what I'm fighting for.
Boy, that's got to be one
of the toughest battles
you could fight.
It's,
but it's worth it.
It's, you know,
it's
foundational,
not just to the state,
but to us as a people.
I think it's something
in, like, our soul
that, like,
working with our hands
in the dirt
with animals,
with family,
with multiple generations.
There's a book
by a guy named Alan Carles
and I think it was
just called the
natural family
and where it belongs.
And I,
another basically
radicalizing moment for me was
reading this and realizing
this man said
so many things
that I didn't know how to say,
just that
that set up
of farmstead
and neighboring farms
said they care for each other.
And that did a lot
of life together
was the most
intuned
and connected.
I think spiritually,
we could probably say
we have been
as a society
or a community.
And I would like to see that
return.
What, I don't quite,
we met at an event
a couple of months ago,
a very crowded event
and had like a three-minute
I'd never heard of you.
We had a three-minute
conversation.
I was like,
oh my,
so I should just
confirm to anyone who's
still watching this
an hour in that
you talk this way in private, too,
which I love.
But what if people
in like a
official organized Iowa
politics think
when you say stuff like this?
You know, in
longer form of discussions,
I find that it's very,
very good.
But I think that
politics has been
so overtaken
with this like bumper
sticker ideology.
Yes.
Which is like,
I think somebody
once said a bumper
sticker is a substitute
for thought or something
like that.
Sure.
And,
and so,
and also,
I just think
I'm not the typical person
that would run for office.
Like,
I really think that's
putting it mildly.
I really like,
I've really worked hard
to, you know,
be on our farm,
to farm it,
to have my kids understand that,
to work in education,
and these types of things.
I really worked hard to do that.
This was not something
that I had, just like,
saying, you know what?
Timings,
like, I've been waiting
for this forever,
or doing this.
It was more than I thought,
you know, there's no term
moments on the governor of Iowa.
The longest serving
governor in history of America
is Iowa's former
governor Terry Brent said.
So, in my head,
and in my heart,
as I was talking to my wife about this,
it's like,
the next person who gets elected
governor could be governor
till I die.
Oh, yeah.
We'll look at,
look at your senior senator,
emphasis on the senior.
I like him.
I'm not attacking him.
But he served for a couple hundred
deers, I think.
It's like that,
a quote
when Ronald Reagan said,
I knew Abraham Lincoln
in here, no Abraham.
I love that.
But it's, you know,
so,
politics is not the place
for long form,
deep and spiritual discussion.
And I wish it was.
Yeah.
Because I think if it was,
you'd require people
running for office to connect
with you at a deeper level,
to actually understand
what you're going through,
and to know that they care
about those issues.
Because, you know,
I don't care how low our taxes are.
If, you know, say this,
if our kids are leaving
and our people are dying from cancer,
we are not,
in what I'd call, successful
territory.
Exactly right.
And the beauty of economics is,
it's supposedly a species of science,
which means it can be tested.
So if you have an economic system
in progress,
longitudinally over a period of time,
then you can assess
with the highest degree of accuracy,
whether it worked or not,
right?
Because you look at the outcomes.
And by that measure,
socialism,
communism,
like the worst possible failure
or current system,
is not anything like that,
but it's not a,
it's not a win,
it's a failure,
because look around.
So like what we're doing isn't working,
yeah,
I don't care what they tell you
at some think tank
or what should happen,
I've lived long enough
to see what actually happened,
and no.
Yeah, doesn't work.
And look at some of these new ideas
that are coming out,
which by the way,
it's like the fact that these
have to be stated
is kind of crazy,
and then the fact
that we get pushed back on it,
like I'm somebody who firmly
believes that the priorities
of my government
and my economy
should be solely focused
on making life better
for the people
that live in my state
in my country,
like not racist,
not for big business,
not for foreign countries,
like,
and I think so many people
just thought that was the case.
And then,
meaning people
that they're not really
paid attention,
but it's like the politicians
are all telling me,
like we're going to work
on this low tax,
we're going to work on this thing,
and it's like,
but hold on,
what, just a day ago,
81 Republicans voted
to keep $315 million
of spending
for the national
and down for democracy.
What?
Yeah, not on your side.
It's right,
and it's like after
everything that Elon Musk went
through,
after all of what these people
did,
all of what they took
in the news,
all of like the conflicts
and relationships
that have broken down
to this,
that one thing
that we know
is a front organization
in large part,
is now getting hundreds
of millions of dollars
from our government
and Republicans are voting
yes on it?
Of course they are.
It's like,
we're not learning anything.
We're learning.
It's like the idea,
how am I laughing?
Because I don't know what else to do.
How could you ever
deny the existence
of the Uniparty at this point?
Oh, I know.
You have a very prominent
Republican senator
and presidential candidate
working with the ADL
to suppress the speech
of Americans.
So it's like,
hmm,
maybe the current system
isn't what they do.
But people know
that it's fake.
And I guess the good news is,
we still have enough
elbow room and a freedom
in the United States
that reform is possible.
If enough people
are like,
no, come on now.
You have to serve our
interest sort
of or at least acknowledge them.
Yeah.
You would hope so.
I think like this vote
specifically is,
is it quite the conundrum
to that point, right?
Like,
this all just happened.
Well,
I could name eight
other things that happened
in the last month
and you're like,
this is,
this is so unbelievable.
It's so outrageous
that you can't continue
the internal contradictions
if reached the point of breaking
and like,
oh, we're getting something new
and then it's just like,
uh, on to the next.
Yeah.
It'll be all right.
It'll be gone in a week.
In a week,
it's gone now.
Yeah.
But to that point,
I think this is why
this idea of running
for governor is so appealing.
It's like,
maybe I'm wrong for saying this,
but I've largely written off
Washington DC.
Oh, I think that's fair.
And it's like,
if the people
that we've put in power,
no, granted,
I will say there's some
huge, huge,
shining stars.
I think what Robert F. Kennedy
is doing.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
The repercussions of this
positive health benefits
of Americans
will reverberate
for generations
if it can stay in place.
Because he's going to
help an entire generation
of people become far more healthy,
live better lives,
meet their great-grandkids,
potentially.
Like, that's amazing.
And have
clearer heads and pure spirits.
Like, just start with like,
just the government
should not officially endorse
eating a thousand pounds of sugar a year.
If that right there
should be flipping over
the nutrition tables into
something that
more closely resembles
reality,
that's a huge step
reducing the
Vax schedule
from like, you know,
a million vaccines
for the newborn to, you know,
a smaller number.
You got to call that a win.
That's a win.
And it's also something
that I think we believe
why are we even
having to have this fight?
Oh, I can't.
But you know,
like, somebody asked me
the other day,
what do you think
the most pressing issue
facing America is?
And like, taking out
the spiritual, because
spiritual allies intertwined
but taking that out,
it said,
I think it's that
our government is run
by unelected people
and we don't know who they are.
Yeah.
And I was talking
without our best
interest at heart,
at all.
And so this idea
of America first,
of Iowa first,
it's like, to many of us,
this is just common sense.
It's like,
this is what the country
is set up for.
What's the other
form of government
that's legitimate?
I can't think of one.
This is a democratic
republic and
the government is acting
in an interest that's
not our interest.
How is that
legitimate?
How is that not grounds
for, you know,
anyway?
Right.
There's no other
legitimate form of government,
but America first,
or Iowa first.
Like, there's
that's the only option.
And how we got away from that
is unbelievable.
And like,
I was talking to my dad
about some of these things
the other day and,
you know, some things
you can think and know,
but not exactly
how to describe
or put into words.
And I get that feeling
when I think about
the shift that our country
clearly went through
after the assassination
of John F. Kennedy.
Well, that's it,
right there.
It seemed as if
something spiritual
happened at that point
within our country.
And it has to do
with the complete
disregard for truth,
honesty,
or like the American
public deserving
to know what's happening.
And then, you know,
I read a tweet one day,
I don't know who said it.
Maybe it's
a Russell Brand
or somebody that said
something along the lines
of like the future success
of our country.
And the Kennedy's
is like intertwined
in some way.
And so,
it is true.
I never used to believe that
and I would hear
these baby boomers say
that was the day
everything changed.
And they were silly.
No, they were not serious people,
but they could feel
something that was true.
And that was clearly true.
That a lot did change.
Everything changed
when he was assassinated.
In a way that
I did not appreciate
he was much older.
But they were right.
They were right in saying that.
And the fact that
63 years later,
you know,
CI still will not,
this is a fact,
will not divulge.
Yep.
All the information that it has
on his murder,
despite a bunch of laws
from Congress,
despite an executive order
from the President of the United States
in a year ago,
they're still hiding it.
Clearly,
there were, you know,
probably a lot of people
involved,
probably a foreign country
clearly involved,
our own government
clearly involved.
So like,
and they're still lying about it.
It's wild.
But,
if the truth sets you free
then lives in slave,
lies in slave you.
Yeah.
The opposite is true.
So I think we are enslaved
in some sense by
these lies.
You know,
I think where I see this most
is in the newest generation
of people that are coming up,
you know,
coming of age,
so to speak.
And there's some very
loud voices out there
that they're all
flocking to,
one in particular
that you've interviewed.
And people ask me,
all the time,
like, why do I think that is?
And I just say,
guys,
look at the lies.
Exactly.
Look at what's happened.
Look at the lack of
justice,
the lack of accountability.
Like,
we don't,
where's Fauci?
Like,
what about the Hunter Biden
laptop?
One of these people
are going to be arrested.
I said this about Trump
years ago,
when I lived in Washington,
a product of Washington,
obviously,
and I wrote a piece,
basically,
Trump is popular
because you failed.
And it's not
wasn't an endorsement
of everything Trump said,
though I like Trump,
but in voted for him.
But it wasn't,
it's not about Trump.
Like,
Trump wouldn't have
existed if the system was
working.
And the same is true
of the person you're referring
to,
whose name shall not be
named.
But no,
no,
it's true.
It's like,
we argue about,
you know,
whatever.
But the argument's not really
about him.
It's about the system
that allowed someone
like that to become popular.
It's like,
why do you think people
are watching that?
Because you failed.
You betrayed your own voters.
Yes.
Yes.
That is right.
Yes.
And,
look,
one of the biggest issues
that has come up is about,
you know, immigration.
Yeah.
It's over.
And I think,
for a long time,
we have been
criticized,
ostracized for noticing
what's happening
and calling it out to say,
like,
what's happening?
And, you know,
there's this idea
of replacement migration,
this replacement theory.
And,
like,
I don't ever talk about this,
but it's like,
people talk about it,
and they're immediately
just hammered down.
Well, in 2000,
the UN put out a document,
called replacement migration.
Of course!
144 pages,
multiple languages.
But I read this,
and it's like,
it's lining out,
exactly what's happening.
And it's saying,
look,
European nations
are going to be losing population.
You know,
America's going to be
losing population.
What's the answer?
Well, traditionally,
throughout history,
the answer is to promote,
having more children.
Get easier for people to have kids.
Yes,
make life more affordable.
Right.
Bring home the money
that's being spent overseas,
and use,
I mean, imagine,
we just talk about
Iraq and Afghanistan,
imagine what our country
would be
if we didn't spend
10 trillion dollars
on that.
Yeah.
Imagine what we could have done
for our children
and our communities.
So when you look at this,
and you're,
you're called this,
I'm not called that,
because I don't ever talk about this,
but people are called
conspiracy theorists
for bringing up this idea
of replacement migration.
They literally wrote a white paper on it.
Of course.
And they describe what it's going to do.
And then you look at these people
that are feeling like,
you know, especially young white males,
like they're being taken out of society,
they're being told they don't matter.
Matter of fact,
they have this original sin
of being who they are.
It's unbelievable.
And then you,
in the...
Sounds like a dangerous conspiracy theorist.
You ever look at the census numbers?
Oh, yeah.
Right.
So again,
we can just bring science to bear on this.
Is the Native population
being replaced?
I don't know.
Let's check the census.
Answer, yes.
How about we do it by zip code?
I'm 56.
So what's,
let's go back to 1970.
The census of 1970.
Just spend an afternoon reading that.
So anyone who tells you you're a bigot,
or you're engaging in conspiracy theorizing,
is, you know,
is not, is lying,
and probably lying in order to hurt you.
Well, and Tucker, why?
It's like, well...
Right.
It's like,
why are we not allowed to have
and appreciate and love our culture?
And why are we also not allowed to let people in
that want to be a part of that culture?
That's the whole idea.
People asked me how to pronounce my last name,
and it's L-A-H-N,
but it's pronounced Lane.
Well, why is that?
Well, my great, great grandpa,
when he came over,
he wanted to keep the German spelling,
but he wanted to be a pronounced American,
and they took on the American customs,
and they became American.
Yeah.
That's what it was.
And the idea that we're saying that this is...
How did...
How did the family pronounce it in Germany?
I was told it was pronounced Learn.
Like Learn.
It sounds great.
And that's what I was told someday,
as you could probably imagine,
I'm going to go over there and dig as deep as I can
and all this stuff, because it's...
You know, some people get the bug for learning this
about their family.
I am that human.
I love this.
I love learning about my history and heritage.
And, you know what?
Like, 150 years in America
is a thing to be very proud of.
Yes, I agree.
But also,
they likely did not want to leave where they were at.
They didn't want to go three weeks on a boat in the stowage.
From Northern Germany?
Northern Germany.
And on my mom's side,
actually, the family's been here since Revolution.
Actually, my great ancestor,
direct, great ancestor,
died in the Revolutionary War.
Me too.
And so...
These voices of people who understand the culture
that our ancestors created,
and it's something to be so proud of.
It's so inclusive.
It reduces suffering.
It is welcoming to people.
But the idea that you can come in
and try to put something else over top of that.
And Charlie Kirk said this beautifully.
He said,
something unbutchers words.
And I'm sorry for that.
I first met him in 2011.
I think we're speaking the same event.
I said something long lines of
the reason we're in a constitutional crisis
is because we have a Christian form of government.
But we have elected people
that are not following
that custom and religion.
Christianity.
And so you're going to have a constitutional crisis.
You're going to have fraud all over the place.
You're going to...
Of course.
Your institutions will break down.
Because the system was a bespoke system.
It was created for the people who lived under it.
And you've got different people.
So you're going to get a different system.
Yeah.
It was created.
Not a value judgment.
It's just an observation.
Yeah.
It was created.
Exactly.
Amazing conversation.
I'm intentionally not going to ask you
about the politics of it.
You're going to have plenty of time to talk about that.
But I think this gives...
Anyone who has, again, watched to this point
is either like, oh my gosh,
I'm selling this man money or...
Stop him!
But I am interested to like when...
Really quick, last question.
What is the process from here on out?
So our primary elections June 2nd.
Okay.
And then if we win the primary,
then the elections in November.
How many people in the primary?
There's five people in the primary right now.
And so I believe we have a really good shot at this.
And I believe our message, the time for the message
that we're saying is now.
And that there's been a...
I think there's been a void that's been there.
And people are wanting politicians.
And people running for office.
Because I'm never ran for office.
I'm not a politician.
They're wanting people that will speak truth to them.
And that we'll talk about the big issues.
Even if the donors and the special interests say,
I don't want your money.
I'm not looking for your money.
I'm actually here to stop a lot of the practices
that you're putting in place.
And so I've said, I'm my own biggest donor to this campaign.
But boy, they're going to try and stop you.
It's not radicalism that scares them.
It's quiet, sincere determination.
I would say so.
Godspeed.
Thank you.
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