Risks of secret deals in US Iran negotiations explained

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The United States State Department they designated Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism since 1984.

They frequently describe it as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.

So much for America not negotiating with terrorists.

I'm Booker. This is the Truth Ptole. Thank you for joining us live tonight or if you found us later on a podcast.

Thank you for doing that. So what do we make out of all the negotiations going on with Iran?

Who are we negotiating with? Who is Donald Trump in his administration?

Are they negotiating with Iran? Keep saying, well, we're not negotiating. We haven't negotiated with anyone.

And Donald Trump says we're getting presents from Iran. Very expensive presents.

I won't tell you what they are because they're very expensive.

And it's really hard to tell exactly what's going on. Here's what I understand.

I understand that the foreign minister of Iran called from a cell phone directly to Steve Whitcoff's cell phone last Thursday.

And that really started a negotiation over the weekend. Donald Trump put a 48 hour period on Iran to stop bombing or else or else he was going to go after the power grid and energy.

And then Iran came to the table and we're negotiating.

But who are we negotiating with? Who is even in charge?

And let's back up and look at the last year, just the last year with Iran.

You can't really negotiate with these people. You can't trust them. They lie.

And I would point out the missile, the ballistic missile. They just shut off the Diego Garcia over the weekend.

Well, we don't have any ballistic missiles that will go over 2000 kilometers.

Diego Garcia is 4,000. It's 2,500 miles instead of 1,250 miles, which they said March 8th.

We don't have any missiles that go over that. They lie. That's what they do.

If you go back to June of last year, there was negotiating going on then with Iran.

And right up to the last minute, it didn't work because it never does with them.

Because they lie. And what happened? We bombed with a Moab, their capability of producing nuclear weapons.

Although that didn't quite work because we're doing that again.

That happens to be where the concentration of bombing is going on right now by America.

In 4-0, in those other places that we bombed in June, that negotiation didn't work.

You look at the ceasefire in Gaza with Hamas.

It has worked somewhat, but there were two parts of that. Don't forget that.

The other part of the negotiation and the ceasefire that took place in Gaza with Hamas was they had to give up all of their weapons.

And Hamas, to this day, they still have not done that.

Negotiating with Iran never works. But again, I asked the question.

Who exactly is in charge in Iran?

Because we're seeing all types of different things Wednesday morning.

Here's what the Pakistan ambassador said from Iran.

He said there has been no talks between Washington or Iran after Donald Trump said progress had been made.

We have also heard such details through the media, but according to my information and contrary to Trump's claims,

so far, no negotiations direct or indirect have taken place between the two countries.

He also added it was natural that friendly countries are always engaged in consultations with both sides to end this illegitimate aggression.

Pakistan has said that they would offer their services to negotiate an end to the conflict in Iran.

Meanwhile, you have the 82nd Airborne has now said they're sending 3,000 troops to the area.

You have 5,000 Marines on the way.

Are we going to have boots on the ground? Are they just there for Carg Island?

I don't know. No one can really answer these questions, but I'm curious who exactly we are negotiating with.

We've killed the top two leaders, multiple leaders in Iran have been killed.

So who has the responsibility to do this negotiation?

And then what exactly is America offering in this negotiation?

And in return, what will America and the Arab nations, our allies in Israel, what will they gain from this?

Israeli government, they don't want America to be negotiating right now.

They want them to continue to bomb. Of course, that is what Netanyahu and Israel would always want.

We know that, but I don't know who we're negotiating with.

Here's President Donald Trump from Tuesday.

They're going to make a deal. They're going to make a deal.

They did something yesterday that was amazing.

Actually, they gave us a present and the president arrived today.

It was a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money.

I don't know what that means exactly. Do you? Have you seen that?

I don't know what Trump's talking about there.

And he says they want to make a deal.

I'm not sure that we should make a deal with terrorists, especially when we don't even know who was in charge.

Let's go back through some history here, recent history, just in the last few months.

Back in January, there was a revolt of the people of Iran, 75% of the Iranian people,

they don't want the regime that is in place.

What did that regime do at the time?

They killed thousands of those people in the streets in cities all across that country.

Donald Trump at the time, he pledged his support and said, I've got your back. I'm coming.

America is going to be there.

So it took some time. We had to get the air carriers there in the area, the Navy, in the area.

Once we were there, we see what is happening.

Maybe the people of Iran thought that this is it. They have our back.

They're coming to change the regime, which Donald Trump talked about.

You don't hear him talking about that much anymore.

I believe that it's going to be up to the people of Iran to do that.

It can't be done from outside. It's going to be up to them to do it.

And that time will come.

There is a possibility for regime change at some point.

But again, who is in charge now? Who is America negotiating with?

A terrorist? A terrorist state? What is the deal?

That's the thing. What is the deal?

What are we talking about here, President Trump?

And I'm not going to tell you what that president is, but it was a very significant prize.

And they gave it to us and they said they were going to give it.

So that meant one thing to me would deal with the right people.

No, it wasn't nuclear. It was oil and gas related.

And he said that meant to me that we are dealing with the right people.

Because America got a president. We don't know what the president is.

But because we got the president from Iran, whether we actually received it or not,

we don't know. But because of that, Donald Trump says that we are dealing with the right people.

Let's go back in history again and look at the progression here.

The objective of this was ballistic missiles and nuclear sites at the beginning.

The straight-of-war moves then shut down.

And then it became about negotiating for the straight-of-war moves to be reopened.

Because if not, the oil prices are going to shoot up and they're going to stay up.

And the gas prices for Americans and our bank accounts are going to be affected.

So now the negotiation has to do with opening the straight-of-war moves.

There has been a progression here through this.

Is it about the people of Iran having a regime change?

Is it about nuclear capabilities? Is it about ballistic missile sites?

Now it's about the straight-of-war moves in oil.

It's about all of it, isn't it? It really is.

But I'm interested about the 15-point plan that they say they have with Iran

and that that's what they're negotiating on. It's a framework.

It's a framework right now. But opening the straight-of-war moves is right there at the top.

Not having any nuclear weapons is right there at the top for America in this negotiation with Iran.

You're not going to have the capability of enriching any uranium in the country.

Is what Donald Trump's administration is saying.

By the way, they no longer want to negotiate with Steve Whitkov.

This is according to CNN Wednesday morning.

They now only want to negotiate with JD Vance.

JD Vance and Marco Rubio are also in the negotiations.

What else is in this 15-point plan?

Well, and again, it's a framework. It is not written in stone.

It's a point of the negotiation.

What does Iran get? There are three things that Iran will get as a result of doing this.

And one of them is they are taking away the snap back.

If you remember back when Barack Obama was negotiating with Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism.

So yes, we do negotiate with terrorists.

Obviously, we've negotiated with Iran for a long time. I'm just saying it never works.

Because they weren't supposed to be enriching uranium to 60%, which they did and they admit that they did.

They weren't supposed to be having ballistic missiles that would shoot 4,000 kilometers.

But they admit that they did Iran lives. That's what they do.

And they always have, but back to Barack Obama.

Let's remember that snap back because that is being taken away.

The snap back would allow any sanctions that were put on Iran to go right back on if they don't do what they're supposed to do.

And that's one of the three things that America is offering to be taken off the table with Iran.

Another one is they do away with sanctions with Iran.

Sanctions have been on Iran for a very long time.

What, 15, 15, 18, 20 years?

Sanctions have been on Iran. We're about to take that off in this negotiation.

And if we are negotiating with the same people that are the regime, there's no evidence that there has been any type of regime change yet,

then we're only negotiating and giving the people that have done the things that they've done to the people of Iran and the people of the world,

especially there in the Middle East, we're giving them exactly what they want.

For what?

For only ballistic missile sides and bombing a nuclear side, which America did in June?

And don't get me wrong. I'm supportive of what Donald Trump has been doing.

You can read my articles in the archive if you'd like.

I believe that this is the right thing to do at this moment.

I just don't see the exit strategy that makes much sense right now.

Am I with Israel and Netanyahu and saying continue to bomb?

Not necessarily, but I don't know what America is winning here.

And regardless of what happens, this is going to end pretty soon for America.

Our part of it is going to be over.

And when it is, it's going to be declared a victory because militarily, they can be seen no other way than the victory that it will be.

When the straight-up or moves is open, the oil prices are going to come down.

And they'll come down quickly.

We do not have a production problem with oil.

We have a problem of getting the oil where it needs to go.

In the process of this, Donald Trump has also lifted sanctions temporarily against Russian oil.

That will help them fight the war in Ukraine.

The objective of this is to bring peace to the Middle East.

And I don't know if this regime still being in charge is going to do that because they had proven through the years one way or another

that they will always find a way to put fear into people through terror because that's how they rule.

Whether it's ruling their people in Iran that way, or if it's the Arab nations around them, their neighbors, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, that's what they do.

And if the regime is still in place, they're going to continue to do it.

In time, I think it's possible that there could be a regime change.

It's not going to be done by Donald Trump.

It's going to be done by the people that live in Iran.

It's the only way that it can be.

Here's a little more of Donald Trump.

What it showed me is that we're dealing with the right people.

Because you know, you don't know because the leadership was killed, all gone.

Come any all gone as the expression goes, the past supreme leader.

And then the new supreme leader was racked up at a minimum, racked up pretty good.

And everyone else was gone.

And then many of the people in the third tier because...

And that's the question.

Are we really negotiating with the people in charge?

And I know that the communication in that country has been cut way down.

So maybe the ambassador in Pakistan for Iran, he wouldn't know.

There's no way he would know anyway.

And what he says, you take with a grain of salt, I get that.

Well, Donald Trump also is giving a present to Iran right now.

He announced that he was releasing a 140 million barrels of Iranian oil

that is sitting out at sea to ease the global prices of oil.

And oil has come down a little bit.

It's below $100 a barrel.

It had spiked to 120.

It's down.

And like I said, it's going to come down quickly once the straight of four moves is open.

That's part of the negotiation.

I think this is going to be over pretty quickly.

It will be declared a victory by Donald Trump.

But the victory is not going to be known for years.

For a very long time.

For the people inside Iran, it's going to be decided in months.

Are they going to have a government for the people and buy the people?

Will the Shah be brought back in to take over in Iran?

I just don't know.

Who knows?

Nobody really knows anything.

And I go back to what I always say when a war is going on,

whether it's Ukraine and Russia or here with America, Israel and Iran.

I don't believe anything any government says because it's war.

There was an interesting thing that happened on the oil market.

Let's go to this audio.

Listen to this.

Here's the curious thing.

And here's kind of where the mystery is.

I want to kind of zoom in on this area here.

So I'll kind of zoom in so you can see this is just the volumes of people going into that oil market

and for the most part selling after that Donald Trump post.

You can see there's this real spike in activity.

A lot of people going in there.

This was the post that we are going to negotiate.

The Donald Trump says we're going to negotiate.

We're not going to do anything for five days.

If you remember, we started this hour with over the weekend.

It was 48 hours or I'm going to bomb your energy.

And then Donald Trump came out with the post.

We're negotiating with them.

I'm giving them a five days to come to the table and get this thing resolved.

15 minutes before that Donald Trump post, there was a very big amount of trading volume.

Very big.

In fact, actually when you're looking at that amount of volume, that spike,

that was the biggest trading volume that we saw that day.

We're starting here just at eight o'clock in the morning.

We're going through to that moment of the Donald Trump post.

Relatively quiet volume is not much going on in the market.

And then all of a sudden that.

And if you're wondering, okay, maybe this was just a one off.

It was someone who made a lucky bet.

Have a look not just at this.

So this is WTI.

It's one measure, the US measure of oil.

Have a look at Brents, which is the kind of the European,

seen as the international measure of oil.

Again, the same thing.

Donald Trump makes his post flurry of activity.

Lots of people there.

But look at that.

Can 15 minutes before that Donald Trump post a very big trade.

Now, it's unclear whether it's just individual,

or whether it's a kind of group of people.

But what you do know from just imputing what the potential value,

the notion or value of those trades just on oil,

would be it is staggering amounts of money,

life changing amounts of money, 580 million dollars.

Someone made a trade or people made a trade.

15 minutes before Donald Trump's posts

that could make them 580 million dollars.

Someone has some really good information somewhere

and they're getting rich.

Keep an eye on that.

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Joining the program now is someone

that has been here before.

Her name is Jenna Ryan.

You may remember that name because

she became the face of mainstream media's narrative

when it came to January 6th.

Soon after, January 6th back in 2021,

her life was turned upside down.

She went through everything

and the last time she was on the program

was right before.

She got a pardon from Donald Trump

and Jenna, it's great to have you back.

Thank you for having me.

Let's get into what you are up to now

because you reached out to me and said,

I've got a couple of lawsuits going on.

And this really has to do with the debanking sort of

when it comes to PayPal.

When you went through everything that you went through,

PayPal kind of debanked you.

They kicked you off the platform, didn't they?

They did.

PayPal came in.

First, I was arrested by the FBI.

The FBI advertised it, called the media,

then arrested me and it was all over the news.

Yeah.

And then a couple days later,

I did a fundraiser and PayPal emailed me and said,

you can't do business with us ever again.

And then an hour later, they contacted,

well, it was world news in one hour.

So they contacted CBS News and they said,

we're canceling Jenna Ryan because she violated

our fundraising policies.

And within by the next day,

I was kicked off every platform,

kicked out of my office,

attacked rapidly by the public

and by whatever they had going on with the box.

And I was just big time attacked

and lost everything the next day.

Well, Jenna, what did they say you did wrong?

How did they?

What did they say that you violated

so that they could kick you off?

They gave no reason and they told the news

that I violated fundraising policies,

which I didn't do.

And so what I did is, you know,

I knew I was going to sue them,

but then they ended up throwing me in prison

for media interest.

And then I get out and I end up filing a lawsuit

and they got me caught in arbitration for a couple years.

And then Trump won, I got a pardon.

And then Trump did the weaponization,

ending the weaponization against the federal government.

And I was like, wait a minute.

And I just started representing myself in court.

And I just started filing motions and they were ignoring me.

And then I started getting on the AI with the GROC,

and which had GPT, but mostly GROC at this time.

And just started uncovering all of this incredible information

that showed that PayPal was acting as an arm of the government

to punish and censor conservatives in J6.

Then I looked it up and there was a congressional report done

by Jim Jordan, name, you know, notably.

And it showed how PayPal had Zoom calls with Finson,

which is the FBI, and you know,

the anti-money laundering division of our government.

And they were, who knows what they were talking about,

but it was very suspicious.

And so I learned that, you know, PayPal was under congressional

investigation for canceling people after J6.

And then I put two and two together,

and I started researching and I came up with 50 different exhibits

showing how the government had forced PayPal to cancel me

and how it caused my life's destruction.

So did you, were you trying to raise money with GoFundMe?

Is that what you were doing?

And it was attached to PayPal, and then PayPal started all this,

or how were you trying to raise money and use PayPal back then?

Well, they were making me famous.

They were putting my face everywhere.

And so I was like, well, I might as well try to, you know,

Shelley Luther did, or you know, anybody would.

I was just like, hey, if y'all want to donate to my legal fees.

And so I just put up a little link.

I've been using PayPal since 2006,

and I had no clue that this big billion dollar company,

even knew I existed, but come to find out through my lawsuit

and discovery through my lawsuit, PayPal had a,

there's an AI, and they were flagging conservatives,

and they were flagging crowdfunding for Trump supporters,

and people that were buying Bibles.

And so Finson, our federal government was doing this,

and then they were pushing it through to the banks.

And so yeah, I just put up a little fundraiser,

a little button from PayPal.

Okay, so directly PayPal is what you were doing,

and then they flagged it, they took you down,

and then they said, you can no longer work with us.

And then that brings you to this lawsuit.

And where is that now?

You said that they were not paying you any attention

at all in the courts, but you have done some more research

using artificial intelligence in Groc,

and you found a lot of information.

How are you using that?

And what are the courts doing with you?

So the PayPal's premises were a private company.

We can do what we want.

You need to go to arbitration.

This is a contract to speak, and that's not true.

I found out and proved to the court with evidence

that they were acting as an arm of the government.

So that's a huge deal.

PayPal cannot withstand that kind of allegations publicly

if it ever gets out to the news.

But the news is also implicated, so I'm on a litigation hold,

and nobody's reporting about it.

So what's going on in the court is I ended up,

you know, they're about to rule.

So I have filed a renewed, we had some court battles.

They're trying to keep me in arbitration,

but there's just really no way they're going to be able to do it any longer.

So the judge is about to rule if I have to go to arbitration

or if we can stay in open court.

And if we have to stay, if we stay in open court,

PayPal will have to settle because they cannot afford to be found

to be a state actor.

That's like, I'm suing them under the 1983 provision,

which is the KKK act.

So it's an act that was created, a statute that was created

to prevent the KKK.

And I'm suing them on the 1983.

So it's so horrible for them.

They can't have, they can't lose this.

So they'll immediately settle, I would assume.

And there's no way they can stay in arbitration because you can't just say arbitration

for the rest of your life.

If a person is standing up fighting,

and what they're used to is they're used to people having to have attorneys

and exhaust money.

But because I had the AI to assist me,

I'm able to circumvent the old guard.

And they're not used to it.

And they're baffled.

And they don't have any protection against somebody who's actually willing to fight.

And, you know, I have to, it's very difficult.

I have to go into, I have to, it's very, very, very, very hard.

It's not like anybody can do this.

I mean, it's my life, though.

They destroyed my name.

Yeah.

They destroyed my reputation.

So I don't care what it takes.

I want my name back.

I want my reputation back.

And I'll do whatever it takes, even if that's, you know, sometimes it's 14-hour days

of just strategizing with the AI.

But right now we're at a place where none of that, you know, I've done the work.

And now I'm winning.

And ultimately, you're going to see.

And then President Trump, two weeks ago, comes up with the executive order,

fair banking for every American.

And basically, I put it into the AI.

And I was like, what is this?

And they're like, that's your lawsuit.

I'm like, what?

So the president of the United States had the same problem.

They debanked President Trump.

So, you know, I've got the backing of the executive order and just the whole.

And then the Fox News started talking about debanking and saying that the Biden administration

had actually forced the banks, the financial institutions to cancel conservatives.

So that's a lot of evidence on my behalf that, you know, PayPal is just not going to be able to stand against.

Do you think PayPal is going to pay you just to have this go away?

Or does that open themselves up for more people like you that got kicked off the platform

to do the same thing that you've done?

You know, it does open them up.

And I really don't know what they're doing.

I think it's a, it's a combination of hubris because they can't believe what that I'm able to do what I'm doing.

And just clear, they were not used to this.

They're not used to a person standing up and being able to fight in court toe to toe with their top attorneys.

So who knows what they're doing, but they're going to have to answer to me.

And you asked whether they would be able to, if other people would be able to file like class action.

And the different, and they will, the difference between my case and the hundreds and, you know, thousands, maybe millions who knows of people that had been deep bank is my damages were so direct.

Like I directly the next day after they called the media and publicize the fact that they canceled me the very next day.

I was kicked off of my entire network that I'd been on for my entire life.

Do you know for me for 20 years, do you have proof that they made the phone calls to CBS and ABC and NBC.

I do. Well, it says on the CBS. Oh, by the way, on the CBS article where they leaked it to the media.

It says reputation manager Kim I corn from PayPal gave, gave us a statement about Jenna Ryan saying she violated fundraising policies.

And that's why they're canceling her and all the headlines.

There was like 28 mainstream headlines that said, PayPal boots, Jenna Ryan.

And so there's even one that says, Jenna Ryan is arrested by the FBI and PayPal boots her.

And so it's like it's a conspiracy. I'm claiming it's a conspiracy.

And I don't have to prove that at this juncture, you know, we're just at the motion stage.

So I don't have to prove it yet, but it's plausible. It it match.

It fits the plausibility standard. So as long as I can stay in court and face them in court, they're not they they're not going to be able to stand because two.

I'll be able to get discovery and get those phone calls that they made with the government.

And it would just be very devastating for them. Yeah, they don't want to go there.

So let's get to your lawsuit against the federal government. What are you doing with that one?

Okay, great question. That one, I just kind of filed just because I wanted to get the truth out.

I never dreamed in a million years that it would actually get to where it is today.

So I filed it just to get on the record, the truth, because there's so many lies.

And so that one has progressed and the DOJ has lawyered up and brought in veteran 30 year.

Attorneys in the civil rights and ethics division, which is bizarre, by the way.

And they have lawyered up and then, you know, which tells you a lot.

So I'm suing the prosecutor who prosecuted me and she lied and she fabricated evidence and did any manner of things to me.

I mean, you're you're about to find out because the Trump administration they're about to disclose everything because they're going to have to.

And so it's going to all the J6 stuff is about to come out here in a minute, but they are fighting me.

The DOJ, the Department of Justice, the Trump Department of Justice is fighting me because my case, you know, threatens absolute immunity, sovereign immunity, qualified immunity, discretionary immunity.

Because I've got that AI that's helping me.

And I'm and I'm also very tenacious and I don't sleep and I just go because I'm so upset about them lying.

So that you know, it's very complicated about where we're at that.

You're seeking justice.

You're seeking the justice you feel like you deserve and everybody else does.

You said something there just a minute ago that the Trump administration is going to come out with everything about J6 in a minute.

What did you mean? Do you have information that we don't have? Do you do you think that they're coming out with something or know that they are coming out with something?

I know for a fact they have to because lawsuits like mine, they're on the record.

They're stronger. My laws are just stronger than the media even because I'm on the record proving with evidence, with exhibits, with their name on it, you know, showing what they did.

They fabricated evidence. They they did all, you know, the sedition hunters, the PayPal thing.

It was all one big clump of the Biden administration.

So it's interesting the way the Trump administration, they have to defend the United States against it.

It's like they're caught. They're in a catch 22 like they did it. Yeah, but they have to, you know, so you're asking.

So basically my lawsuit is really like out in front of everybody every J6er because I'm the only person that's just I'm a clean case you to call it because I was I only walked in for two minutes and eight seconds.

And then I just found the video showing the police officer I supposedly trespassed on the door. I walked in that they were making such a big deal about.

He's waving people in and that was hidden evidence. And so that's a Brady violations. Very serious. And I'm not an attorney and I'm just finding this stuff.

It's really child's play what they're doing. But, you know, they have to have to find it. They have to fight for America.

But at the same time, they have to make it right with the January 6th. And I do know that the January 6th are, you know, numbers are being floated.

As far as what each person will end up getting due to the lies and the horrible abuse we suffered.

And they're floating numbers. They're floating, you know, settlement amounts and they're also they have to get the truth out because all of us were extremely light about.

Yeah, you know, made up.

You know, that has been one of my frustrations with, you know, this 119th Congress so far. And I know they had their hands full.

You had the reconciliation, the big beautiful bill. You've had confirmations. You've had everything that Donald Trump has tried to accomplish here in the first seven or eight months of his presidency.

But there has not been any type of commission to get to the bottom of the January 6th and what it was all about.

It's been really disappointing for me because, you know, we saw everything that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats did along with a couple of Republicans in name only.

That would be Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger that were the only Republicans that were allowed on that J6 commission because Nancy Pelosi said, no, we're not going to let Jim Jordan.

You mentioned him a few minutes ago. She would not allow him to be on that commission.

And this 119th Republican Congress and the Senate and the House, they haven't done anything yet to bring the truth about what happened on January 6th because I know American people want to know that.

So good luck on both of those lawsuits. We'll keep watching and we'll have you back when there are some more news about it.

I want to get in first of all, let's talk about your book because the last time you were here, you said you were not quite finished, but it is now out and it is available on Amazon.

Tell us the name of the book and then just tell us a little bit about it.

My book is was just something that we wanted to put together to record what happened. It's called storming the Capitol, storming the Capitol, unjustly accused, unwavering in truth.

And it's basically just a play by play of the things that I went through and it is on Amazon and I am speaking throughout, you know, the country throughout Florida, mostly.

So if anybody wants me to come speak at your event, I can. And then yeah, it's a great book.

Okay, well, everybody go find that book. We'll put it in the bookstore here at America out loud. News so you can find it there as well.

If you're listening later on a podcast, it should be up by the time that you're listening to this on a podcast.

Jenna, let's get into the docu series. You mentioned to me the other night that there is a docu series that is doing the story on your life.

Who's doing that? Where will it be available? When will it be available?

Well, I have some very reputable, credible, real director, producer team and global distribution team as well as investors in place.

And we are developing. I'm producing while I'm a co-producer in this docu series. And it's going to be just my story and the director is incredible.

And he's a strong Christian and, you know, we have good roots and faith.

And he's wanting to do my life story. He's going to show who I was before all this happened.

What happened to me? How I was smeared and then how the triumph part, the third part, which is rising up to battle.

The biggest giants in the world, billion dollar financial institution and the department of justice by myself with a keyboard.

And so it's a pretty good story. Like, you know, Aaron broke fits and a lot of different things through crime. You name it. It's everything rolled into one.

So we've got, you know, all sorts of people getting involved. And so it's definitely happening. And it's a little bit bigger than me because I've got a team.

Yeah. Well, good. You deserve a team. You've been out there on your own now for what five years, almost fighting all of this.

It's hard to believe it's been five years. It will be five years in January. It's really, really hard to believe that it's been that long.

And we still don't really have all the answers. But you're fighting for them.

You know, when something like this happens to our lives, you have a couple of different ways you can go.

You can kind of quit and roll over and lay down and give up or you can fight. And you have fought.

And that's one of the reasons why I like you so much. And so glad that you come on the program. You have moved to Florida.

You're a neighbor of mine now. So we'll have to get together. Maybe I can get your book and you'll sign it for me.

And I don't know if you know this, but I have a book that came out July 27th on artificial intelligence, actually.

I saw that. That looks really good.

Yeah. We'll swap books. What about that?

That sounds wonderful. I look forward to it.

Well, Jenna, good luck on your lawsuits and we'll look for the docu series. Come out.

And you know, when there's news about this, let me know and we'll get you back on the program.

So everybody hears how these court cases are going.

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Everywhere we look, it seems like America has all sorts of problems.

And one of the problems I think maybe the people don't want to talk about, they want to bury their head in the sand is human trafficking.

You bring up the words together and people just gloss over with a look.

And unfortunately in this country, whether you call it human trafficking or the sex business, I've seen $35 billion.

I've seen it's as much as a hundred billion dollar a year industry.

I'm not sure, but either one of those numbers is astounding and it really needs to have some attention.

And that's what we're going to try to do here in this segment as we welcome to the program Sarah LaChance.

She has an organization out of Tampa Bay, Florida and it's called stop the movement dot org.

Sarah, welcome to the program.

Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate you shining a light on this issue.

And you and I, you know, we were able to go take a tour a few weeks ago.

And right here in the Tampa Bay market, which by the way is television market, it's about four million people.

But it is an incredible, incredible problem we have.

And I thought I knew something a little bit about this subject.

But what I found out was I really know nothing about it because the things that we saw were amazing.

And I want to get into that. But I also want to ask you, you start stop the movement dot org.

What was your motivation? What what was that that event that happened in your life that said I'm going to do something.

That's a great question. This has been a calling on my family's life for many years.

I worked at the LA Dream Center in downtown Los Angeles about 10 years ago.

I spent some time there on the human trafficking unit. And I was in the exact same spot as you were.

I was shocked to discover what I thought I knew about the issue and I was completely wrong.

And I was shocked to find out that human trafficking trafficking affects men, women, and kids of all ages.

And I have unfortunately worked with a variety of them over the years.

I moved back to Florida. I was passionate about finding a place to serve.

And did research for about a year trying to figure out where I could get plugged in.

And really felt called to start my own organization.

And our focus for the past couple of years has been prevention and awareness.

Our mantra is, you know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

And we have recently, as you discovered, branched out to outreach.

Even bigger dreams beyond that. Because like you said, it is such a big problem.

And I wasn't aware of how big a problem it is. And what we found was on that tour.

We went to neighborhoods that were less fortunate.

We went to a neighborhood that had three to five million dollar houses.

And there were a couple of trap houses there. And to be honest, I didn't know what a trap house was.

Can you explain to people what a trap house is?

Sure, that's not in everybody's vernacular.

A trap house is essentially a house where illegal activity is taking place.

So generally, the homes that we toured and saw there are women, children,

and drugs being sold in and out of them.

You could probably include weapons and a lot of those as well.

So there's just a legal activity happening in these places. And like you said,

it could be your next door neighbor. It's not necessarily all income housing.

It spans every city across every state in our nation.

And as we toured, we went to a lot of less fortunate areas.

And I think that's where most people believe it's all taking place.

And it does take place there.

And the life that these people get trapped into is terrible.

And I want to talk about that. But again, it really struck me that here we are

with $3 to $5 million houses, the neighborhood right next to that really nice homes alone.

It had trap houses where they were selling people out of and selling drugs and guns.

And it was shocking. And it left an impression on me.

Really for a week, I couldn't stop thinking about it.

And here we are now weeks later. And I'm still thinking about it.

Because these are people's kids that start out there.

We learned about grooming. We went by one specific house where this guy puts out ads on Craigslist

to teach kids boys specifically because I think boys are left out of this.

We always think of little girls and we think of women.

But this specific case was a guy that was putting ads on Craigslist

and to teach them how to be a DJ or voice lessons.

So the parents drop these boys off, spend $60, give the guy $60 to do the voice lessons.

And then he starts the grooming process.

That's legitimate, isn't it, Sarah?

Yes. And I'm so glad that you brought that up.

I think it's really important that we talk about what grooming is.

I was just having a conversation yesterday with a woman who said,

I don't even know that term.

And so the simple way to explain grooming is when an adult, a bad adult,

is taking their time to earn the trust of either another adult or a child

for the purpose of explaining them. So they are maybe befriending them.

It could be a boyfriend, girlfriend relationship.

They are taking the time to learn where their weaknesses are.

And then they will make it seem like they're filling those needs.

And then they will flip the script and start to exploit those needs.

And at that point, the mental abuse has already begun,

the psychological abuse, a lot of times physical and sexual abuse have also occurred.

And at that point, escape is almost impossible.

Yeah. And they go down that path.

And that path becomes that voice teacher becomes the pimp.

And starts selling these young boys, in this case, publicly online,

maybe on Craigslist or some other place.

I also learned another term that I'd never heard.

And that was a rub map.

And for those of you listening, I'm going to try.

Well, I actually stare at you try because you know more about it than I do.

I think we're all learning together.

But basically a list of the what we call the IMPs that elicit massage parlors in the area.

The places now, are there places giving legitimate massages?

Of course there are.

There are places that are keeping women employed there against their will.

They have taken their identifications.

Generally, they are from other countries.

And they are not allowed to leave.

And they're being forced to perform sex acts.

Much beyond the scope of what an actual massage is.

And one way that you could keep an eye out if you're in the community.

Is if you see a massage parlor that's open until midnight.

Yeah.

This is a red flag.

I love a massage, but I have never needed a massage at midnight.

And if you see all the windows are blacked out.

And those are pretty good signs of something illegal is happening behind those doors.

And a rub map just to go back to that is an application that you can download on your phone.

Or it's a website.

And what it does is it shows those massage parlors all over the country.

You can click on your state and click on your zip code.

And it will show those massage parlors that are doing more than giving massages.

And something else I learned was that if it was a pink pony.

That that meant that there were little girls at that massage parlor.

So this is this is reality isn't it Sarah?

Absolutely.

This is not an ethereal concept.

This is not primarily we focus on what's happening state side.

So this is not something that we're when we're talking about.

It's not happening in the Philippines.

It's not happening in India.

This is happening here in the United States where everybody is supposed to be free.

And we have.

It's not a conceptual idea.

It's also I think very important to say this is not a political.

This is a human rights issue that's that's really affecting all of our cities.

And like you like you found out just a few weeks ago.

It is right under our noses.

And if we don't know what to look for, then we don't know how to help.

Yeah, I found out that one of these people that is involved in this lives a less than a mile from me.

One of those house.

Wow.

And so it was a shocking tour.

It really it really was.

And when you get back to the trapped part of this lifestyle,

we were talking about the guy on Craigslist giving the voice lessons.

They get them into drugs and then then these people get addicted to drugs.

So then they become dependent on the groomer or then becomes the pimp.

And they can't get out of the lifestyle, can they?

Because I heard stories of, you know, even the cell phones that they possess

are not owned by them.

So the only way to get outside of their world is to give up their cell phone.

And you guys actually try to outreach to take people out of these positions.

That's not easy though, is it?

No, not at all.

And you hit the nail on the head.

It is not only a drug dependence.

It is generally they racked up a criminal record.

Mostly due to no fault of their own.

If a pimp is controlling what they do, you know, maybe petty theft charges or drug charges.

Additionally, there is a huge psychological abuse that's taking place that if,

if a, let's just use a girl, for example, that's being trafficked,

her family has been threatened.

So she's not just at risk if she leaves and they catch her,

they might beat her beyond, you know, recognition and then drag her back.

But her sister has been threatened.

Her little brother has been threatened that they're going to be drug into this if she leaves.

And that her mom and dad are going to be killed and that the pictures that she's,

you know, taking are going to be shared all over school or maybe all over her church,

that, you know, she's going to be publicly humiliated.

And there is no way out.

You are completely isolated.

And so when people say, well, why don't they just leave?

Yeah.

Believe me, if they could, they would.

Yeah.

And it really is trapped.

And as I heard that trap houses, you know, that's what I thought.

Well, these people are trapped in a lifestyle.

We went by one particular road that had, I think it was two,

it was at least two, maybe three houses in a row.

And they said that they moved girls from one house to the other house and to the other house.

And after the tour, I actually went and looked up those houses online at Google Maps.

And you could literally see two guys standing out front of those houses keeping guard.

Something else I learned on that tour was that these homes and these trap houses,

they are surveilling you that they have video cameras up in the trees.

They have video cameras all over it.

So the process of trying to go and rescue these women, men, boys, girls is difficult

because you're putting yourself in danger.

Oh, it's almost impossible.

And that's absolutely accurate.

I had a personal situation where we went to a massage parlor one time.

And before we got out of the car, they met us at the door.

We didn't even see, to this day, I don't know where the cameras were.

They saw us as we pulled into the parking lot.

They knew that we clearly were not customers, met us at the door and refused us to come in.

So this is a, as you said at the beginning, this is a multi-billion dollar industry.

These people are smart. These are business people.

They know what they're doing. They're not trying to get caught.

And they're trying to make money. They care about money over everything else.

So that they're protecting their product, which is people.

And it's real. And that's what I want people to understand is it's real

because I think sometimes the human trafficking words together

and people just, it just flies right over their head.

How do you describe human trafficking?

So I describe it as exploitation for profit.

So when we talk about words like sexual abuse, a molestation rape,

that doesn't exploitation. That is, that's an abuse.

That's a stealing of someone's innocence.

When we talk about human trafficking, it is that exploitation over and over and over again.

That someone is choosing to pay for and someone else is benefiting from.

And when we talk about it is a hard concept to grasp two things I want to say.

When we say it's a 30 billion dollar industry, what does that mean to people?

That's such a hard number to grasp.

Let me put it in a bite size nugget for you.

The average sex act is about 30 dollars.

Wow.

How many sex acts add up to 30 billion dollars or 150 billion dollars or whatever the actual number is?

It's staggering. That's what we need to know.

And when people say, you know, this is happening in developing countries not happening here.

Let me introduce you to the two little girls that are sisters that were being trafficked by a family member.

And they went to school every single day and at night they were being trafficked out of their own house.

Let me introduce you to the girl that I worked very closely with who was abused by a family member 20 years ago.

Then pictures were taken and those are still circulating on the internet today.

So there is no justice there while this man walks around free.

And let me introduce you to the girl who has a child who needed to be rescued from the situation and left other children behind.

This happens every single day.

I could go on to you for hours.

Unfortunately stories of real people that it's happening to here.

And it's not and none of us are immune to this happening.

So that doesn't mean that we should lock our kids up and never let them go outside and never let them use the internet.

But we have to be aware of it.

Yeah. And it's so pervasive.

That's what I learned in that tour.

It was just everywhere and from the massage parlors to the homes to the street corners.

And these people get trapped in the lifestyle and there's no way to get out of it.

And it can ruin their lives.

But there are people like you.

This is Sarah LaChance.

Her organization is stop the movement dot org.

And what else can we do other than getting the word out to let people know that this is a real thing.

And it really affects people's lives.

What else can be done?

I'll tell you what again, I so appreciate you taking the time to shed some light on this issue.

It's scary and it's dark and people don't want to talk about it.

But that doesn't help anyone.

And so when we do our free trainings, let me give you some very basic one-on-one tangible things that don't have anything to do with trafficking.

We're talking about taking a couple steps back.

Things that we can do as parents, as community members.

If you're involved in a church or a school.

Look for red flags.

Look for kids that are acting out of the ordinary.

Look for signs of physical abuse or malnutrition.

Kids that are acting out sexually that does not match their age.

The movement dot org.

There's a place to donate there if you want to help out.

You can do that.

But at least learn more about this.

Sarah, thank you very much for joining us.

Thank you so much for your time.

There is only one truth.

You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.