Robert Cibis: Ruling Class War, Covid War, World War, & Alternative Media War

0:00I'm here with SpinQuest, where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home with hundreds of slot games and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes. Right now, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. For new users, it's all at SpinQuest.com, that's S-P-I-N-Q-U-E-S-T dot com. SpinQuest is a free-to-place, social casino, voidware prohibited, visit SpinQuest.com for more details. Welcome back to Geopolitics and Empire on the last episode. We were in Slovenia. This time, we are in Germany, joining us for the first time as filmmaker Robert Sybis of Oval Media, that's Oval.Media, Vielkumin, Robert. Thank you for having me. You know, Robert, I first remember coming across Oval Media material during COVID-1984, you know, 2020-2021. And this often happens with me where somehow you and I connected through mutual acquaintances

1:05in the last few years and so, you know, it comes full circle and it's really cool to meet the people whose work I've been appreciating for many years. And so, before getting your thoughts on what's happening in the world, real quick, just to learn a bit about you and your work if you want to tell us about how you got into filmmaking, Oval Media, and effectively, can we say you've become an activist and dissident, yes? Very good question. I'm wondering myself. So, it's not easy to read. I've been a filmmaker for a long time. I decided to make films professionally when I was still in high school. I did short fiction films and then documentaries. And I thought, you know, if you work hard, if you learn a lot, you will make it somehow. I knew it was competitive, but I liked competition, but I found out in fact that it's more complicated than this. The whole field was shrinking, you know, documentary filmmaking got less and less money

2:12each year, and it was completely dependent on public funding. We had public broadcasters, I mean, we still have them in Europe especially. And in addition for theatrical projects, we had public funding. So what I focused on is theatrical documentaries, creative documentaries, 90 minutes long, 80 minutes long, shown on film festivals, but I had a second focus on science documentaries. So I did several projects on viruses and bacteria and medical topics. I also had cultural topics and we did a feature-length documentary about the Bird Health Organization. How funded by the German government? And it has been released in 2018. Yes, and in fact, I was an established filmmaker in the sense that I had four times a film at the Berlin Film Festival. I've been on all festivals, which are important for documentaries.

3:13And my films have been sold to television networks in more than 100 countries. And I did a lot of things. My sales, I liked very much to learn about the different fields in the media world. Just to give you one example, which was really important to me. We had become a theatrical distributor in 2018. We had a project about the universal basic income and I wanted to have a social debate about this issue. I didn't want to make it like just an activist project for it or against it, but have a debate about it. And we had one day where we had 100 screenings all over Germany with 100 debates at the same evening. And this was several months of work and it was a big success even though we had no funding for the distribution. So I'm an author, I'm a director, I'm a cameraman, I'm a sound guy too.

4:15But I'm also an international sales agent and the theatrical distributor. I did it all. And this is typical for documentary filmmakers that you do it all because you will never have a big crew. And if you know what you want to tell, in fact, you're better to sell than anybody else. And if you know what you story you want to do, you'd rather do the research than to have a research assistant or something. You will find faster what you're looking for. So to have a very vertical integration economically speaking of what you're doing is typical for documentary filmmakers. And if you do these releases and distribution and communication work, then you combine various media. So we, for instance, for this basic income documentary, we did a short animation videos. We had a game around it, you know, and and things like this, you.

5:20So it was a transmedial project like other products we developed to. So when we had the covis crisis coming, this played a role because I behaved. Based on that experiences, I was not just a filmmaker just producing films, but I was somebody who followed the whole process from the idea to the final spectator. And yeah, you might ask what happened 2020. So why do you know me? Did I become an activist? It was really a coincidence in a certain sense because yes, we did a documentary about the health care systems and both France and Germany. And how the privatization is, in fact, partly a robbery of public funding. Then a further project with this has been the documentary about the world health organization where we, in fact, succeeded interviewing all major directors of the organization.

6:26Even though we couldn't get the appointment through the press department, we had to work for seven years to get these appointments, seven years of production. And then finally, film came out and, you know, it, it, it was really important to understand the system. And the reason why we did this film was the swine flu's, Camdamic. And, and then like two years later, we had COVID. There's another coincidence, which will be important for what we, you might ask in the, in the next minutes is that I, one protagonist of this theatrical documentary about the WHO was, in fact, Wolfgang Vodak. And I met him by coincidence in the train coming from Hamburg to Berlin. And we sit, sat next to each other, the reserved seats were really, one to each other. So we discussed for the train ride about the system, the, what is happening. And this was like end of January 2020.

7:27And then he called me beginning of February saying, we have to do something about this COVID thing. And, and I said, okay, I mean, I have no time and I have no funding, but let's do it. And I had also never published anything for social media or YouTube or so. So we did a short video, 12 minutes long. And in fact, this short video made a huge difference. We published it beginning of March 2020 and we had in a couple of days, I think three or four days, five million views. It was shared a lot of times. And I got a lot of problems because of that video. People asked me to put it down. But at the same time, you know, the first thousands of views we had, I was extremely happy. Like I had 5,000 views and said, look, I'm a real YouTuber. That's fun. You know, I never did this. But when you have a million, it becomes really scary because I think, wow, this is now, I'm now the guy who did this video.

8:30This is what I am, you know, and it is like, I'm identified with this. And this, I mean, of course, at a certain point, this video has been deleted. And so, but this was at the very beginning when the, when the censorship systems were not so well working and where people just shared content on WhatsApp and similar applications, which was in the couple of weeks following very much limited. But at the very moment beginning of March, it wasn't. And the video was very simple in one sentence. He said, look, how do we know we have an emergency? How many people died from a coronavirus last year, 2019? Do we have a number? Is there any number which is different to last year or the years before? He looked at the numbers in China and they're variant. You know, they're about even in China, even in Wuhan, there was no epidemic visible from the death rates. So, so this was a turning point because I've, I found out that.

9:38Either I have to take it down and stop everything regarding this topic or I will be in the eye of the storm. And, and the thing is, you know, you can say, look, why did you do this? Is it just for the truth or for the cause? No, it's more complicated than this. You know, I just, I'm not just a friend of danger and professional losses. But the thing is, we got a lot of support doing this publication and other publications in the following weeks. Because people needed to have that point of view. And it was an, I had an audience who wanted me to continue. So it wasn't just me being the crazy guys running against the machine. I had a mission which was sanctioned by a huge audience who said, Robert, you have to do it. People started wiring me money. I never had this in my life.

10:39And various crowdfunding attempts with various documentaries, they all failed. Forget whatever plans you have this weekend because you're staying at home and playing on SpinQuest. And there's never been a better time to sign up than right now. New users get $30 coin packs for just $10. All the table games you love with hundreds of slot games and real cash prizes. That's at SpinQuest.com, S-P-I-N-Q-U-S-T.com. SpinQuest is a free to play social casino. Boydware prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. Here, I got several thousand euros in the first weeks.

11:48And this had never ever happened before because there was a real emergency. And I was, of course, very well placed because, I mean, I could argue this to the audience. But I knew these people. I knew these scientists who appeared on television and the radio stations because they did the same job on the swine flu. So I could tell, look, they're right there. Why do you believe that they're the truth now? It's official. I mean, even the directors of the World Health Organization are saying they're right there. So we should examine and not just trust it. But I also had colleagues, filmmakers, who sent me messages. Look, asking me why I am now a political extremist, why am I now right, wearing or whatever. And I was very confused by this because I didn't understand. I mean, if you discuss the death rates of 2019, why is it a matter of being left to right? So I didn't want to be an activist and I was incredibly naive in a certain sense

12:52because I didn't understand politics at all. I just knew that here, the narrative is bullshit. And I really wanted to understand it. And very fast, I could understand that this is not about medicine and that this is not about science. There's something else here. I knew very fast that I didn't understand it. And people asked me to make a film and I asked for help and asked people to help me to research. And we had this wonderful team of filmmakers, all of whom worked for public television for years and years, six or seven filmmakers sitting together every week. We had a meeting discussing what is happening here, how can we understand it? And this was a gift from heaven, I would say. I could ask the fundamental questions.

13:52It was really like basic research doing. So I'm not out there to be an activist. I'm out there just to stay honest. And then if all is rotten and so dishonest and people are just lying, there are the first victims because they are building a prison emotionally from on the cognitive level, but also in real life. And I mean, freedom is not just to be happy, freedom is just to be healthy. It's a way to survive. And if you're in prison, you have that. So for me, in its fact, I became an activist, but not for any party in the game, but I became an activist for a pushback to be sucked into the power machine.

14:53So I try to be out of the power machine just to be, to stay myself and just to stay myself, I feel like I have to be an activist. I share many of those similar experiences as yourself where, you know, on the one hand, I did start out this journey branching out of teaching and education because I wanted to know the truth, but also I have had similar experiences where I wonder, should I continue? And listeners, egg me on, just like you, yes, keep going, you're helping us learn what's happening. And by the way, I was, I have a right behind me hanging right there. I was in Geneva, 2008, nine in my graduate studies of international relations, and I was a staff assistant at the World Health, the 62nd World Health Assembly, 2009, during the fake Swine flu pandemic. And it was Wolf King Waterhark at that time who woke me up to that.

15:54So again, it funny how it all comes from full circle because he was appearing on podcasts back then, and then there was an article that we discovered. We find this, as we speak, the same formula they're using. I remember there was an article, I think it was in a Canadian newspaper where, and again, you find it in the mainstream papers talking, it was revealing something that some check scientists, I think, injected with the vaccines into ferrets with, I don't know if it was a swine flu vaccine or something, and it killed them. And then there was like some batch. That was proving that something strange was going on. And we just had the UK run exercise Pegasus last November for meningitis fictional outbreak, and then they just last month said, oh, there's a meningitis outbreak. We keep seeing this same formula over and over with COVID with meningitis with swine flu. But I didn't want to ask you before getting your further thoughts on COVID,

16:54this is something I often think about. I'm here with SpinQuest, where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home with hundreds of slot games and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes. Right now, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10 for new users. It's all at spinquest.com, that's spinquest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boyed where prohibited, visit SpinQuest.com for more details. At the UPS store, reinsure your small viz stand out with a variety of high quality paper stock options, banners, posters, brochures, and more. Most locations are independently owned, product services pricing and hours of operation may vary. See center for details, the UPS store, be unstoppable, come into your local store today and get your print on. You've interviewed many people as I have, and I just wanted to ask you, what have you found interesting and learned from meeting many interesting people you've interviewed? You know, CJ Hopkins has been on the podcast, Katharine Austin Fitz, Tom Reganauer,

17:56who I've had on and I've been on his podcast. I believe CJ told me in 2000, I was his first ever video podcast. And you know, what I find interesting, for example, is that while we often may agree on many central big picture issues, there's always, you know, things we disagree with. And there's always something I find that the other person sees in a unique and different way that adds to my understanding. And so do you have just any thoughts on having spoken to so many people? Thank you for asking. It has been a long journey. I really was gathering information, was my main activity, it seems, at least. And I valued information a lot. I really, you know, tried to get it. And I think there's so much confusion. And sometimes truth can be very simple.

18:58So yes, I learned from every person. Every person I met, of course, has her or his way of thinking. And this is a tool, you know, a tool to come closer to truth. And I cannot tell today what I learned from whom for a lot of things. But I can still also, I can also tell that a lot of people are like imprisoned in a narrative because they feel they're part of this or that group. Let me just give one example. How can you explain power? How power works? If you leave outside the pure fact that some private people have the exclusive right to create money and others don't, and nearly nobody is aware of this. And these private people, these people,

20:00lend it out to others. You know, give it for rent. And they get an interest. By definition, these people, one day, will own everything on the planet. It is mathematical. So does it take one generation or ten years of three generations? That is an interesting question. But all these discussions about, you know, a boom cycle, a depression, a regression and all of these things, it's all irrelevant. If you see what this means, it is just a parasite scam on the whole world. And I learned about it like 25 years ago, I heard for the first time that private people would create money, but I needed 20 years to accept this as truth,

21:03because it is so incredible that people accepted. And so if we now are suffering from the fact that there is an narcissistic society, some people feel above the rest and feel like being a different class of people. And of course, we are in a classroom, a global classroom. Then it's simply because they think they are better or smarter because we let them go away with it. It is simple criminality. It's just criminal because there's no way to explain this ethically. The only way it works is that you don't discuss it. So if we know this, 80% of the debates I had are relevant. You know, how whatever, you know,

22:04Volkswagen is using its power to have suppliers, have lower rates, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting if you look at it, but if you see that scam, this is not a scam in comparison. And so this is, so I learned a lot, but I learned also to be critical. So it's interesting because from the beginning, in fact, I'm a bit like you. I discuss with these people as if they were no camera. I discuss as if we had just a coffee, and I always give my opinion. I said initially, maybe it's wrong. It's not professional. A professional journalist is neutral. He might play devil's advocate, you know, just to get the point of view of the guest. The guest is who is important. But I'm not meeting the guest to promote or question the guest or, you know, to do the opposite.

23:05But I meet the guest to learn. And I want to learn for myself as well as for the audience. And this is why I'm confronting them with my opinion. And then I'm sometimes playing devil's advocate just to know whether they're sure of what they're thinking or saying. But it's not about the guest. It's about understanding. So the whole endeavor of our platform, of the interviews of the documentaries is to understand what is really hard to understand. That's exactly my same endeavor. It's not about, it's never about me. Not necessarily even about the guest, but they're primarily their analysis of the state of play, whatever I can add to it. And again, for the longest time, I didn't even have my name on Geopolitics and Empire. When I put the website in 2015, it was just Geopolitics and Empire.

24:05I didn't even want to put my name. I didn't want attention. And what you said, I love how the way you put it. You see, I never thought of it. Intuitively, that's how I understood it, but you kind of expressed it extremely well. And this is something I've been thinking of as of late, that these money creators, yes, it's a mathematical equation. In one generation or two, because they have the, if you have a pile of capital, you can leverage that to just accumulate more and more centralize and monopolize, whereas people who don't have money, if you don't have money, it's going to be, you got to save up for a long time to barely buy some assets, but these people will eventually become rulers of the world. We just had here in Mexico, the president met for the second time in two months. It was like a month or two ago, a forged brand of World Economic Forum, and Larry Fink, a black rock met with Shankbaum. Just this week, Fink was back. And so basically those trillions, mega trillions,

25:06they are buying, and we've all seen this throughout the years, how media companies have been consolidated into what? In the US, not like half a dozen. You see it in every space, maybe to get back to COVID real quick, you know, after all of the research you've done, the interviews, the documentaries, if you had to boil it down, what would you say was Operation COVID, COVID-1984, some people call it COVID-9-11, you know, what do you think it was in reality to the best of your estimate, and what was the goal or multiple goals of this operation? It's of course the various layers, but I know that your audience is already ready well informed, so I go fast to the darker and deeper stories. I think it is very clearly a coup d'état,

26:08which is directed against the populations of the world for the centralization of both the economic system and the political systems. It is in fact just alone by the debt, which it created in all public structures, towns, you know, communities, like the different regions, the states and the EU, they are all created so much debt that they became, in fact, a slave to the bankers and much higher level than before, they cannot even move around. You know, a bank can say today, look, if we ask now for more money and that this way you cannot pay, this or that part of your expenses,

27:09it was a way to keep the financial system going because of course it is on the verge of collapsing anyways from 1997 on, it's just getting worse and worse and worse, but to build a new financial system and through this new financial system we'll have a new geopolitical order. So it is, in fact, a financial, it's making a even playing field for a new financial system. This I think is like a real engine of the COVID engine, a machine and of course in addition to this. Whether it's slots or live dealers, SpinQuest.com has the fun and action you're looking for with SpinQuest exclusives, blackjack, roulette, boccara and even live dice with craps and bubble craps.

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29:12in addition to a desire to that level, which is very much pushing a feeling of the state of emergency, a feeling of submission, and is preparing the field for a global kinetic war. I think that we would have many stronger and much bigger protests in Germany against the arming of Ukraine if we hadn't had the COVID crisis. And I think this concerns all countries because they're all prepared for war. We have a global war effort which has been prepared by this. And it's no coincidence that on all levels, all levels of the COVID crisis, you have military. It's the creation of the JAPS,

30:13the production facilities of the JAPS. I just quote emerging biosolutions and others. The distribution, the testing, the numbers, the people responsible within the governments mostly are either in direct contact to generals or generals themselves. In Germany, who has been responsible for all anti-COVID measures? It has been a general in a department of the Ministry of Health, called General Halterm, and you know, when he started to work, that opened the department in March 1st, 2020. And I spoke to the government officials, they told me, oh, it's just a coincidence. You know, like we decided this in 2017. Okay, interesting. And so you had, in fact, a very strong and slightly hidden

31:14because not so much discussed military structure on all levels in the COVID crisis. And you, as we know, with big military operations, there are false flags. There are deceptions because we know from Zoom too, the art of war is the art of deception. So yes, there were people dying in Bergamo, but I think they have been killed. There were people dying in New York City and in Strasbourg and in Brussels and in Madrid. But I think they have been killed through extraordinary medical protocols, which were just simply deadly, and which were known to be deadly, and used these weeks. So it was a global war against the population to prepare for the New World Order. And the New World Order has different pillars. One pillar needs the destruction of the nation state, and this goes through the distrust,

32:15the debt, and the other pillar needs a new financial system, a global financial system, which is, in fact, you know, there's, which is based on also the debt and the impossibility to pay it back and to have regular transactions going on this way. And the war now, let's say in Ukraine and Iran and all of this and other places, is, in fact, adding to this. So you have, again, expenses will, which are not boosting any wealth, but the opposite. So you spend money to have less. This is what you do if you buy coffee jabs for like 19 euros a jab, with taxpayer's money. At the end, you have more ill people. So the whole, but you spend a lot of money.

33:17And so it's the, it's just a way to weaken the general population. And it's a wealth transfer, right, to all of these elites who have shares in these pharmaceuticals. So they're receiving the money from those vaccines from the defense. And it was just reported that this week I have underlined, I forget which two European countries were, they lost the court case and they are now obliged to pay billions of dollars now for COVID vaccines that they don't want or need. Yes, that is of course. I mean, every war is robbery. You know, they go through the general population and the war feeds the war. But I think it is really important to see, because of course they're greedy and they want to have as much money as possible. But, but this is not how they think if you think as a general, a general thinks in terms of control. You know, this is a field eye control.

34:17So if we are ill, if we have no money, if we have no time to think because we are busy going from one emergency to the next, then we are under control. If we are relaxed, if we have enough money, even if we have no job, we can choose what to do with our day. You know, if we are healthy, in this context, we can be free and then we can be a danger to a new order of submission. And on that new order, I also want to ask you. And by the way, I won't play the clip with Tim Henschliff, shout out to him. He just cut the clip of IMF, managing director Kristalina Georgieva, referring to this current around crisis, is COVID 2.0, something I said over a month ago, and she's telling countries to make public transport free work from home. She's saying we did it during COVID. I don't see a reason why not to do more of it now.

35:19And she says fortunately, Korea has strong oil and gas reserves allowing the economy to function. And so we're seeing the same repeated formula now from COVID, and even before, and you kind of alluded to it, it's the neo-techno-feudal economy. I've been saying they want to get rid of the middle class, so you just have the ultra-rich and poor. It's the green agenda, plus I want to ask you about this cyber-netization agenda, this digitalization of everything, digital IDs, QR codes, digital passports, digital vaccine passports, CBDCs, PBDCs, private bank digital currency, stablecoins, tether. It's all the same sort of soup, and every country is coming down hard now. And so I think this is that new structure you're talking about where everything is digitized, tokenized. They own that infrastructure, and that at any moment's notice, if you are causing a problem,

36:20they can just kick you off the platform, and you lose total agency. You are a zombie, you're unpersons. We see in Europe now, Hussein Dogru, Jacques Baud, others suffering social death now, what it's called, civil death, which is insane. And so any thoughts on this sort of technocracy, technocratization of everything? Yeah, you're completely right. You can understand the measures taken against the population. If you understand technocracy, it's really good entry point to understand what is going on. I just want to stress one point, which is often underestimated. The technical means, the digital means, we are using right now doing this video call, are in fact emancipatory. They are liberating. They give us freedom. So they have to take over control.

37:22The internet, by definition, is democratic, because we have peer-to-peer communication. You know, I can have a video show, I can have 10,000 views without a gatekeeper, which is a change of paradigm. And if we have more and more people in the world being able to read, to understand, talk, which we do have, the ruling class has a problem. This is why they have to dumb us down. This is why they have to kill us. This is why they have to make us ill. Because the general evolution is going against their interests. I understand people who are afraid of digital ID and the digital concentration camps to say, look, I want to go away from the digital life and just want to have, you know, a farm and raise my potatoes. And this is all I want. Yes, but you underestimate what is giving us freedom.

38:23This is a way of fleeing, of giving up. I don't, you know, I think it's a good choice. It's better to flee than to be inhabited. But we have to push back if we really want to have a cultural, social freedom. If we want to have the highest elevating life possible, which is because we can, we can have it. And to push back, we need technology. And I think, you know, I'm not an insider into Marx and Engels, but what I understood is that they are describing the modern factories as, you know, a problem because it's exploitation of the worker and so on. We have to stress that a worker has been more powerful than a subject in a federal system

39:24because he was essential to the benefit of the owner of the factory. So I'm just saying, the progress of science and technology and the ability to use all these tools is what is empowering us. We can get out of that mesh, can get out of these networks. And I can just, you know, we can either do things analog, but the only important aspect is that we try to avoid to feed the beast. You know, people can support you, people can support me in the moment in various ways. And if Patreon and PayPal, of course, are the beast and we feed them if you use them, but we can, there are other ways too. You know, if we really need it, if they would block us all, we wouldn't use them anymore. And we would find another way of supporting each other. And there could also be digital ways because the evolution in general

40:27is that more or more people are tech-saving. We have more tech-saving people now than 20 years ago and then 40 years ago. And so I'm very optimistic and we shouldn't mix the technology and what is done with it. We should use the tools we have. Those are good points. And I like what you said, using the tools that we have. And, you know, I was taking off of Patreon and PayPal, and I'm still here, surviving using the new tools that we have. What's up, baby? It's Bretski. And I'm here to tell you that SpinQuest.com is giving out free sweet coins. All you got to do is purchase a $10 coin pack and guess what? They're going to give you the coins from a $30 coin pack. That lets you play all your favorite games like Blackjack, Wanted Dead or Wild

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42:31And in this speech he gave in Spanish, he has English subtitles, he says, with no doubt, there is a growing multiplicity perceived every day. It's good. But a multipolar world without the instruments of a world government is very risky. We have to be careful to have the capability to generate instruments of power of a world government. We are in a delicate transition phase. Europe is some kind of laboratory of what a world government system could be. And if anyone's done the elementary reading of academic books, the German doctor, Dr. Rath, I just learned, unfortunately, two months ago, he passed away. I was a fan of his work. He used primary source material to demonstrate Brussels has Nazi roots, as well as, you know, it's basically the bastard child of the communists and the fascists. Bukowski, Soviet dissident called it

43:32the new European Soviet. So it's the worst of both worlds and in their own literature, just like Javier Solana just demonstrated, the EU is the prototype for this new, I think, system that they want to take EU writ large globally. And they're copying and pasting it. You shared my article in German on your website, translated it, where I explained that. It's open source mainstream information. And so what are your thoughts? In the belly of the beast, in the EU, how you see it, because increasingly every week, the decrees from Brussels are insane in Germany. They say, young man cannot no longer leave without permission because they want to use them for cannon fodder for this war that's coming. So just thoughts on EU. Hey, it's fascinating. It's fascinating because it's a bit hidden.

44:35You know, in the news, it feels like the German Chancellor and the ministers would be responsible. But if you look deeper, you see, no, it's in fact the EU who is giving the directives and where do they come from? Probably from NATO. So, but who's had a NATO? So you have the EU is a cover for NATO. It's not a coincidence that the EU enlargement, in fact, was communicated in all over the media, but in fact, it was an attachment of the NATO. And also the structure in itself, you know, that there is a parliament, but the parliament cannot propose a law, which is what kind of parliament is this, where just the government can propose a law.

45:37So even in the structure itself, they don't even try to simulate the separation of forces in a state. So the EU is very crazy that it works, but it works because you have the governments who play as if they were the government, who would decide on things. I just learned, for instance, that no, there's no German law, who says if you have foreign donors, you can go to jail, because they might be foreign state interference, but there is a EU law coming with the exact same thing. So it comes from the EU. And what is also quite impressive is that they are very good at hiding things.

46:37I have laws which are hidden in directives, which are in the facts interconnected, but they don't seem so, because they are in two different departments. And then you think, oh, the Digital Services Act is in fact doing the censorship, but then you have other bureaus, which you never heard of, which in fact are doing the censorship. And then there's even another bureau doing the sanction. It is hidden because it's complicated. And they do it on purpose. I mean, it is, it is a means to have a clear agenda, but to hide it from everybody. And this is what you, and then they call it subsidiarity, which is of course crazy, because it's the odd opposite. They're just sucking power and decision making room up to the higher points in hierarchy. Every year.

47:37So yes, now the EU is an empire, but it doesn't feel like that, because you don't see the masters on the posters in the streets. And if you see people on television, it's mostly somebody from your local government. So this is what is the strength of modern dictatorship. It's, it's truly incredible. And then maybe just to go a step further as a quoted Javier Solana on world government, you shared my article on multiplicity as the next phase of world government, which I am severely convinced that is the case. Do you have any just thoughts in general? Because effectively, I feel like you've already explained it earlier with these, these bankers that create money. What they are creating is, is a form of world government, they call it a one-world empire. It's basically taking full spectrum dominance control

48:37of the planet. But they have these formal structures, you know, it was League of Nations, United Nations, now UN 2.0, board of peace, Xi Jinping's global governance initiative, or put them all together, whatever you want to call it. But I think we see them centralizing, they have these internationalized governmental organizational platforms, regional units that are, you know, subsidiary elements. And then that's the framework for total control of all nations and peoples. And so give any further thought on world government, as well as my thesis that multiplicity is the next phase towards that. Yes, I mean, it's an narrative. Multi polarity sounds very nice, as does sustainability or does integration or diversity. These are words that sound as good as freedom and democracy. I've been to the 70 year events,

49:37not in China, I mean by coincidence, I was shooting a documentary about acupuncture. And I had a Chinese colleague who translated to me and she explained to me that there was written democracy all over the place, all the time. You know, democracy is one of the key words that Chinese government is using to promote its own policies. Which was absurd to me because, I mean, you can like them or hate them, but they're not democratic in the sense that I understand at least. I mean, and you really know that it's a top-down hierarchy. So it's very interesting that words lose their sense and there's this confusion which is created. I think this is what is totalitarian. You know, if you have a nice little democracy where you know who's the boss and you know what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do,

50:37I think a small structure can live like this. But if you have an empire like the European Union or the country of China, this doesn't work. What you need is totalitarian aspects where you in fact have a hyper reality which is just there to confuse you. I mean, there might be 10% of people living in China who believe this, who believe it's a democracy. But the majority will not believe this. But they know that this is wrong, but they don't know what is true. You know, this is, and this is what Hannah Arwen is always stressing as a point to understand totalitarian systems. She says that the whole propaganda is not to convince anybody of something. The whole propaganda is to confuse people to the point where they give up understanding. You know, this is what it's about. And this is why in the COVID crisis, they changed the rules, the narrative,

51:37the scientific wording, you know, every couple of weeks so that everybody's so confused that they would just trust the authorities. And I think COVID is in a way a gift for us to understand how the world works because it is global. And what we see with the world government and global governance is that in fact, the power which is already there and probably for generations gets its institutions. So what we have is not a new distribution of power but a formalization of power which is already there. So it can be there for longer. I mean, you are certainly very well aware. I mean, you quoted him many ways of Anthony Saturn and that he proved early that Wall Street supported,

52:38you know, the communist revolution in the Soviet Union and of course, the fascists in all over the world and also in Germany. So it means there are powers who support all sides who are above. And this is very simple to say. And if you have these two informations like, okay, they are support to all sides and then there is a system where on each money around the globe there is an interest paid to the people who created this money. Then you understand it. I mean, it's not complicated. It's very simple. And all what we hear about, oh, there are cycles of depression. The problem is the interest on the interest. The problem is that it's not linked to gold. That it's not linked to oil anymore. Now we have the new carbon print system. Yes, it's all interesting, but that's not the point.

53:41And it's not the point. And it's very, very simple. The real power issue is very simple. And of course, it's not just the money creating. After this, you have additional monopolies. And you know, people like the Rockefeller family, they didn't, they were not born as bankers. They were born as with a monopoly on oil, but then converted into various monopolies. You know, the pharmaceuticals are part of it, and the banking is part of it too. So yes, it's not just one branch, which is dominating the other branches, but from that core branch, you can then extend to other monopolies. So will there be a revolution? It's probably the wrong question, because the revolution will not, will not, in a, in the, a propped way,

54:43which I understand it, will not change this. What will change it is, in fact, if we build up a system, which is independent to this monopoly, these monopolies. And just to jump from there, you're doing, you have a brand new, weekly show you do with James Patrick, which I've been enjoying a war, weekly very well produced, 20 minutes relatively, shorts, just a further thought on that. We're seeing UK just announced, 30 year piece dividend has ended. We must go to war, basically they're saying militarize, give us money, modernize, I just see that all as a smokescreen, this war narrative, for taking our money, getting rid of civil liberties, just the latest Germany example we used. Locking down on speech, because we're at war, permanent emergency, right,

55:43permanent emergency COVID, permanent emergency war, permanent emergency AI, just permanent emergency, curfew, curfew, lock down, and I guess just your thought, I feel like, if you read the old globalist literature, it's like, they simply will use this World War III threats, take our money, use it to reinvest and build out the world government infrastructure, and then sort of slide us into this global governance, and then, so do you have any thoughts on this, pushed towards a third world war and these conflicts that we're seeing with you? Thank you for addressing this. I'm here with SpinQuest, where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home, with hundreds of slot games, and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes. Right now, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. For new users, it's all at SpinQuest.com that's S-P-I-N-H-U-E-S-T

56:46.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boydware prohibited. This is SpinQuest.com for more details. I mean, this is all war anyways. I just stress that this is criminal to extract money from the society, from the economy, without anything in return. But to keep this going, there is a class war, and of course, the European Union could not have been built without the Second World War, and probably not without the First World War. It is war is a way of destroying not, you know, as communities, societies, cultures. It is a bit like the Cultural Revolution in China, you know. It's a way of killing the middle class

57:49keeping making everybody poor, having less people. So I think, yes, World War III has already begun. We are always in war, but there was still a turning point with the beginning of the so-called COVID crisis, and from this moment on, the World War had already started, according to WHO, even 15 million people died from the shots, and according to UNESCO, 145 million people will die from the economic consequences of the COVID measures. So I think when we are slowly coming towards 200 billion deaths, it's okay to talk of World War. And we will see what comes, but if the oil shortage, the rationing is going forward,

58:52the economy goes down further, the UNESCO will have to do new calculations to see what are the economic consequences in the future. You know, I'm not sure about these numbers, but I'm sure that it concerns millions, and I've been to so many different places. Also, because I wanted to understand COVID, I've been to India. I spoke to a lot of people there about the COVID crisis, and it's really fascinating because you have a country with so many poor people, people who have hardly the means to just eat and sleep, and still they were managing to have the middle class addressed with this narrative of the virus. And the poor people, were of course the ones who then suffered most, which completely absurd measures. But you had the same in Morocco, where the military went through the streets

59:53to pay attention to nobody's leaving the house. You know, it's fascinating how global this was, and at the same time, you will not find an epidemiologist who would say this makes sense. I mean, not an honest one, and I think most of them are honest. This is why they didn't appear on television, yet only virologists and never epidemiologists, you know. But yes, so I think this is war, but we have, of course, to use what David Hughes coined, the omnivore concept, the war is hybrid. Every war has always been hybrid, even the war is two thousand years ago, but the degree of hybridities, so to speak, is like amazing. You know, I think, I just have a hypothesis to illustrate this. There are environmental activists for the environment who want to protect wolves. And they succeeded in various European countries

1:00:55to protect the wolf. So it's forbidden to shoot him. You have to pay ten thousand euros if you do it. Which is, in fact, an attack to the farmers, especially the little farmers who have animals outside. So if you want to have sheep in Europe, it's nearly impossible, because there are now wolves everywhere, especially there were sheep, you know. So it's a way of attacking the food supply of Germany, and here the military just has to pay one or two guys who full-time do lobbying for the wolf, hidden in an NGO for the environment. So this is warfare. But the people who are defending the farmers of the sheep don't even understand it. I had contact with some of them and said, look, don't you understand? It's even an attack to the food supply. And they do this. And they said, no, it's just, you know, they're just stupid. They don't understand. Now we have to keep the sheep inside.

1:01:55It's really like torturing these animals. Yeah. That's a great illustration. And I guess maybe just, I do want to get your thoughts on alternative media, but just on that point, I become extremely frustrated. You use the COVID example. You use the wolf example. This, you know, we have to put a name to this belief system, this group of people. I don't like othering. But the people that just go along with the official narratives. And there are many motivations for that fear and cowardice. Not having the knowledge. Perhaps not having, I use the term often bandwidth of the time to invest or deal with this. But I just find there is a critical mass of people that allow the ruling class to get away with this by not questioning and by participating in these simulations. And, you know, you can call them liberal globalists.

1:02:56And it's human nature. I don't see much difference from human tribe to ethnicity. You know, Germans, here are Mexicans, wherever. It's, I think, human nature is the core explanation. But so many people go along. And I just use my example here in Mexico where so many people don't question. They begrudgingly go along. They put their masks on. They love the digitalization of everything. You know, and so you just have any thoughts on how is it that people are just so passive and so accepting of this, like what you explained in Morocco and everywhere else. We all experience this in your face tyranny. I mean, I was everyday aghast. I had like a, my natural face was with disgust. I'm like, this open, like police patrolling the streets, like I was in permanent disgust. Like, how do you people accept this? This is like dictatorship. Let's say no.

1:03:57Like, Shane, dude, let's do something. This is, and everyone's just kind of walking around like accepting it. How do you sort of explain why? Why are people like this? I think it's a long story and it's very complicated. It's of course, a question which is working in me, you know, for the last six years. I think it's because they already got hit. I mean, the last, it's a bit like, I'm sorry to be that extreme. It's exaggerated to say they're lost forever, but it feels like living with zombies. And the crazy thing is that they can survive thinking that we are crazy, but I never met a single person who wanted to discuss or debate any of these topics who is getting along.

1:05:02You know, I never, you know, this is why I'm so sure of myself. I never met anybody who thinks the government is currently protecting its population and who at the same time wanted to have a debate about this. Never. It's always the opposite. You will always have the dissidents who want the debate. And if you, you know, I had friends who organized debates during the COVID crisis, so they wanted to have people defending the measures and people attacking them. It's nearly, even then, it was nearly impossible to have people defending the measures. If they got anybody on stage, then there was an audience. And in the audience, you had 100% of people who were dissidents and people who were defending the measures didn't want to listen to the debate.

1:06:02So, so this means that is, it's a group thing. Are you, and it's a subconscious passion of I need to be with a group to survive if not my life is threatened. So there are, of course, anti-cant, you know, the philosopher and and and don't dare to think, which is necessary if you want to have a democracy and the population really decides on things. But it is, the question is how to deal with this, you know, maybe it's democracy is a failed idea, it may be stupid to have it, it never really existed. However, I think if you had free media, if you had a bit more energy in all kinds of structures, if the state would be less existent, democracy would perfectly work because most people know what is good for them.

1:07:11If you ask around in Germany, nobody wants war with Russia, nobody. And even if you asked around 2022 about sending arms to Ukraine, nobody, you know, very few people would have said, okay, we do this. It is just a combination of this propaganda, monopolization of voices, the authority came that people might think differently today and are so much influenced and willing to forget everything you had planned for this weekend because you are sitting on your couch and winning from the comfort of your own home. I'm here with SpinQuest where you can play hundreds of slot games, all of the table games you love, and you could even win real cash prizes. New users, $30 coin packs are on sale for 10 at SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino, voidware prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details.

1:08:14To give up so much, this is what is so impressive. They give up so much just to be part of the group. And of course, it will change. Of course, our group, the dissident group, is growing every day because as all governments around the globe are making suffer their own citizens. Of course, the dissident group is growing, growing, growing. And especially with the economic crisis, but then comes your article. Then comes the government said, look, it's true, they betrayed us. There are imperialists. We have to get rid of the German government, of the French government, especially what they did in the colonies. And look, the Americans are, of course, horrible. We get rid of them. We make a new system, and the system will be federal. It will be global and federal. This is what you will need. I think that our anger is part of the agenda.

1:09:15And that the dissident attitude will become mainstream. But it will be misused to build up the new multipolar world order. So this is what we have to pay attention. Because I don't see any scenario in which you have followers following, you know, the World War Three's will start. You will have another couple of millions of people dying. This is happening for sure. But in 10 years time, in five years time, I mean, how many dissidents will be there? It will not be like today, maybe 25%. It will be 35%. But listen, if you have 30% of dissidents, the rest will follow. You know, we shouldn't underestimate the strength of a few. You know, this is why during the COVID measures, people like you and me were attacked on all levels.

1:10:16Because if a single voice telling the truth, being authentic, can change so much because then everybody will see. It's like telling the audience, this is how the magician is doing its trick. So everybody sees the trick in just one sentence. And so the whole trick doesn't work anymore. So if you say this about the government, it is very, very, very dangerous. So this cannot go on forever. And the German government, the French government, the Spanish government, the Italian government are behaving in a way that they don't care about the next election. They're behaving in a way that they're really kicking the asses of everybody. They don't even try to be nice. They don't even try to sell their point. What happened in Germany is crazy, beyond crazy. You know, you have a guy, Friedrich Merz, making a campaign, saying, we need to make less debt. We shouldn't spend so much on infrastructure, we should pay attention.

1:11:21And then before he's Chancellor, he organizes that there's a German parliament meeting after the election, but before the new parliament meets. And the Supreme Court of Germany said, it's okay. I mean, why would it be okay? There wasn't a little election. The will of the people is said. And the parliament is not meeting in this group, but in the former constellation. And in that former constellation, he could change the constitution. So that he could do the additional debt needed to support Ukraine. Because what we're giving you, Ukraine, Germany, is way, way, way above all limits, the constitution gave to the government. So he was such a single, he was just a simple member of parliament and not the chancellor, when this happened. But he organized it all because there was a promise that he will be elected chancellor.

1:12:21But this is, I mean, from my understanding, it is at least against the will of the people. And I would, from that deduct that this is anti-constitutional. But I'm not the judge of the Supreme Court, but this is my personal opinion on this. So this to say, just one example, I could give another, that they don't care about the opinion. Because they know the catastrophe will come. And this is their job. This is the only way I can explain it. You will have the same in France. You will have similar examples in many, many different countries. Same in the United States. I mean, does Donald Trump really care about the elections? I mean, he is promising something. Then he's doing the exact opposite. He's somehow trying to sell it. That is nicer than in Germany because they don't even try to sell it. And never in the history of the European governments, the positive opinion on its governments have been so low, never ever, ever, ever.

1:13:26Not even one single week have been that low. And so the dissident movement is of course the movement of future. The question is, where do we go to? It's a bit like the Russian revolution. You had in Russia in this time a big feeling of discomfort with a current situation. But then if you have billions to invest to create a revolutionary group and to say, look, we will go this way and not that way. That is dangerous. And this anger might be used against us. Plot twist. It makes me think of V for vendetta. My interpretation is V is actually a Lucifer or Satan like figure where he's freeing us from the true tyranny of the government. But you know, it's this whole great reset, great awakening where this great awakening is actually the real new world order.

1:14:27Or like in your case of Russia, you had the red and the whites and ultimately they steered it toward the red and not the white patriotic Russian. You know, American troops were in Russia. They stopped financing and helping the whites and they allowed the reds, the Bolsheviks to win. And so we have to, yeah, I agree with you that we have to sort of front run the siop and just in your last point, I think was important dialogue with the zombies. I've had the same experience where it's incredible where here I am. I'm a dissident in real one in real life when I have conversations or even online. I'm happy to talk in general. Let's just say, you know, there are, I've become more selective on my guests, but I'm happy to talk to anyone from all walk and just be person to person respectful and loving. And you know, we can disagree. But let's, I can have a meal with you. We can drink. I can be cordial. But as you said, I found with the zombies, they get angry, they get enraged and they walk away.

1:15:35But isn't that doesn't it show how weak they became? Yes, you know, because they identify with a system which is crumbling. So it is, in fact, you know, I recently talked a lot about demoralization. Now, it is, in fact, listen, if the German, if everybody knows the German government betrayed everybody and the jabs were known to be poisoned. And if they cannot do anything but accept this, they will not come to me and say, Robert, you did a great job. You were right. I'm sorry. No, there will just be depressed and pale and and retract some public life rather. You know, we can send from inside because their identity is attacked. So this is really talking to me. I had, I was so naive in the beginning in 2020. I thought, if this and that would be now, at least we would have some people who would, you know, give up their jobs.

1:16:47There will be a new side up. I thought that there would need to change the side of more often. I would, I thought that some people would have to leave from their positions more often. But this is not to keep the face. You know, I mean, I didn't think it would all become better, but I thought that they would need to do more effort to keep going. And I mean, again, they're using the same COVID formula now with the Iran energy situation. I was locked down just like last time at COVID, you know. And so I do want to get, I guess the last topic I want to approach with you is the alternative media space, which I guess that I guess that's what you call the space that we're in. Right. Independent media, alternative media. I simply just say I'm a podcaster. People call me journalists, but like, I don't like to say that because those can have legal consequences. And so look, I'm just having conversations with people online. I'm a podcaster. That's, that's it.

1:17:53But so we've been in this space for a while. I've technically been doing this since 2012, 14 years. Most of the time as a hobby as a project. Really, it's only been two years. I've been doing this full time now. And I guess the question here is your experience. So I think there's the good, the bad and the ugly. And again, you know, in my article, I said, look, there's a spectrum of people. There's well-meaning people who do great work. Nobody's perfect. Nobody's perfect. Right. And we don't know how to band with people to ask somebody to touch this topic or that. I'm just one person. You do it. You know, you start a channel, a blog, a sub stack, whatever X, you do it. We can't all, you know, I'm just literally one skeleton crew, one man revolution to quote from Tom Marillo. I do everything here. And this is the best. Most I can do. And so in my article, as I said, there's a spectrum. And we have to think that they saw the collapse of the legacy media coming and that the new space was going to be the space that we are in.

1:18:58Social media, YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, you know, this alternative space. Of course, of course, the NATO globalist system is going to move into this space. And there's going to be all sorts of fun and games. Right. And so we've learned increasingly over time that people have been manipulated. And some actually manipulate. There's finances involved. There's active measures involved by military intelligence agencies. And it's difficult to discern who is who, but as of late, I've been saying one simple rule is just pay attention to the narrative that somebody is espousing. And then over time, I think, you know, a lot of us are very discerning. We can understand what's really going on. But once a podcaster or someone starts to tell a narrative that's diverging from what we understand to be reality, that's a tell that either they don't understand things very well or they're being nudged to promote a certain narrative.

1:20:11And so what can you tell us from this space? And again, I urge people to I don't want to just go around knocking other content creators, but I just want to point out something is a miss for certain. And that we need to be discerning and listeners themselves are the ultimate, you know, determiners of who's a good actor, who's a bad actor, who's in the middle somewhere. And so, yeah, your thoughts on this space and our colleague, David Hughes, you know, he did it right up on Reiner, Fulmick. And it's hard pills to swallow as you're kind of alluding to earlier with the normies. But I had a bad feeling of Reiner. I don't know, maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I used this piece I think had enough in there to confirm my earlier off feelings of Reiner. He was almost like a COVID QAnon, all of these interviews with nothing and talk of legal cases.

1:21:12And I'm thinking, like, what country, what jurisdiction are you going to launch a legal case? I mean, do you know who we're up against this, you know, it's a DARPA DOD project, a COVID, like in what quarter are you going to sue them? And of course, nothing happened. And so that was my gut feeling initially in the beginning. And it turned out to be true. Nothing happened. And then we learn of some of the research he was brought up. And so you're take here on this sort of space as well as your experience. Yeah, it's a good example you're giving here. And I don't know whether your audience now is. Whether it's slots or live dealers, SpinQuest.com has the fun and action you're looking for with SpinQuest exclusives, Blackjack, Roulette, Baccaro, and even live dice with craps and bubble craps. The games never stop so you don't have to. And right now, new users get $30 coin packs for just 10 bucks. Play now at SpinQuest.com.

1:22:13SpinQuest is a free to play social casino. Boydware prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. I was at the with the Corona committee from its inception, even before that. I started making a documentary about Filmy's partner, Vivanna Fisher, a couple of months before they started the first show. And I filmed how they were preparing how they were looking for the place, you know, to make this event. And then I found the team to do the live transmissions. And I've been often at meetings of what should be discussed and what not. I never was a decision maker and this was their organization. I was just helping from the filmmakers and the TV persons side. I'm not part of the committee, but I was helping them to show, to make their show because of course it wasn't their job.

1:23:13So yes, I could, I have a lot to tell. But let me just start about me being in coming into this alternative media world. I told the story about the short video, which became so popular, which changed really my life. And I could build up on this and I started to make these conversations as a way to defend myself, not I thought nobody would see it. And I wanted to make shows, discussions, which were for just interesting for me. I just wanted to meet and if it's a professor and they talk in an academic way, but it's understandable for me, that's okay. I learned working with television that I have to dumb down, I have to think of people who will not be so fast and understanding, there are always very afraid the ratings would go down if we explain something abstract.

1:24:16So I wanted to do the complete opposite to this and the experience was really, really wonderful. I had discussions of two or sometimes three hours with professors about just science. And we had 200, 300,000 views and said, wow, that's more than I have when my documentaries on public television and Germany, you know, and we do the show in a couple of days, you know, if you include editing and no, and I said, if you include editing, but it's wrong because all shows we did, we did them live. And this was nice. It was so nice to have a direct feedback from the audience and the audience could ask questions. And at the time, we've been on YouTube and for a couple of months, it worked. And this was breathtaking because I felt I had an impact. And as you all know, the media changed a lot, not just society, you know, because the public broadcasts with which never were brought neutral at all, but the the room of debate when somewhere became so much smaller than before.

1:25:35I was invited in March or even think I think in April, to one of the big drama broadcasters called Velt TV as an expert on the WHO because we did this film. It was my only invitation in mainstream media. And after that, it wasn't possible anymore. So so I came into this alternative media world as somebody who was thinking, that's crazy, that all this big media outlets are. Outlets are killing their own markets because if YouTube is censoring videos, which are extremely popular and have millions of views, then they're harming their business. If you know, if the national broadcaster is evading is not doing the debate with the critics, we can do it. You know, it's amazing. We will replace them. So I had a moment of megalomania, megalomanic drive said, look, we have to become bigger. We do it in different languages. I chose, I organized to have shows in French.

1:26:41I live for 13 years in France from its natural to do it, you know, in that language. I also lived in Italy. So we made shows in Italian and I had partners in both countries. We made we build up a studio in Vienna and all this happened before independent or independently to the committee. So we had the, I tried to build up a structure, I like structures of filmmaking structures. And then I met all these people of independent media, which I didn't know before. I didn't even know their names, even the well known people. I didn't know them. I didn't know James Corbett. I didn't know the German James Corbett's one, the most famous person in Germany was called Ken Yapsen at the time. And he came to me and said, Robert, look, what you should do is you should do a video for me. It's really important because people who demonstrate and the measures that don't know how powerful they are, you make a video which looks like as if it's shot on a real demonstration.

1:27:47And you have the demonstrators pushing the police man back to the car and they show them that there are many and the police can't do anything. And he said to me, money is not an issue. I can pay it all. You just have to implement this. And I said, yes, okay. I mean, are you really sure of this? And I was the new guy in this world. I didn't really understand how it worked. I didn't even understand who's who is important. And why would people tell me what to do? But at the same time, it's great to have money to do something. And I like to stage things. I sometimes had the idea to become a director for features, you know, fiction films. And so I had, I liked the idea of making something which looks like a documentary with hundreds of extras. But he insisted very much. And he was like the guy who was similar to you. He had done hundreds and hundreds of important interviews with thinkers. I didn't understand the power game. And then I had a meeting with him and said, look, please, could we just could you just tell me understand what's happening here. I don't understand it.

1:28:55And he just didn't want to spend a second on this. He just said, do this video. It's really important. Money is not an issue. We pay you everything, but you have to do it. And finally, I said, I don't want to do it. I don't want to stage violence against the policeman. I mean, that's not the issue. I don't feel comfortable with it. And the same guy had other similar things like he called me out. You have this press conference. Could you do the live stream? We can pay for it. And so on and so forth. So this is weird. And then I had other people who said, look, you have to put all your videos on a new platform called ignorance. And we make it. It's a huge. We invested 300,000 years on this platform. And it will be the alternative platform. And the guy who asked me to do this. Was a guy put in the public space by this first person called Ganyepsin. So the guy who said put it on ignorance is called Kai Stutt. And the same guy said, oh, now you have to make a campaign that nobody votes because a lot of people were angry with the German government.

1:30:02And there were new political parties coming up. And as they were new, you know, the corrupt system wasn't installed yet. So you didn't know, nobody could knew what it means. Who will be leading this group. And then you had one party called debauses. And in a couple of months. And because also filming a film is support. And they got 40,000 members. And most of them are really male meaning. And what just wanted to have democracy and and a critical point of view to the measures. So it would be another voice would have which would have been really something important. So in that very moment, he came to me, look, you shouldn't you should convince people not to vote. And I'm just, I could make a list. I could talk for hours, giving these examples. Just I come to film, but it's all interconnected to give you a feeling of what it means to be in the battlefield of alternative media.

1:31:05Now people, there were always people telling me what to do. And it's true. I was new. I didn't know. So I was happy to listen to them, which which, but that doesn't mean I do it. I just try to grasp it somehow. And the most famous dissident in Germany is called Michael Balvik. He organized the big demonstrations, the famous ones in Berlin, where it said to be that there were 1 million people. And and he had all these speeches. He was also in the mainstream media, the guy who was critical of the government. And he was giving interviews there too. And at the same time, you had demonstrations at various places where people put up the Constitution. And we're demonstrating in front of different public places saying respect the Constitution. You know, because everything that the government has been doing to the coffee guys was, of course, against the Constitution, freedom of movement, freedom of the body, choice, and so on and so forth.

1:32:14And this guy then stood up on stage and said to the crowd, hundreds of thousands of people, we need a new Constitution. We need to meet to do this. So instead of saying we need a new government and they have to stop disrespecting our Constitution, he said the opposite. I'm just saying, that is brainfuck. You know, I mean, I'm not against discussing the Constitution. There might be things which surely really need improvement, improvement. But in that situation, the government didn't respect the law that didn't respect the Constitution. And this is why people were demonstrating. So it was against the government. But this way, he could frame the whole crowd as being a threat to the Constitution and the Secret Services could. What's up, baby? It's Bretsky. And I'm here to tell you that SpinQuest.com is giving out free, sweet coins. All you got to do is purchase a $10 coin pack. And guess what? They're going to give you the coins from a $30 coin pack.

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1:34:24Yes, I'm definitely sure that most of them are undercover agents working for the government. Of course, the crazy thing is that all of this is illegal. Our government is not allowed to do these things. I just did a research. You know, everybody knows that there are a Jean-Prouva Cater at the police when there's a demonstration. You know, this happened already 40 years ago. You know, in every country you have this, that the police guy is doing is if he's a demonstrator and then attacking the police or that the police has a pretext to attack the demonstrators. But this is illegal in Germany. I spoke to various lawyers. I even spoke. I had an interview with the head of the Secret Service in Germany, the internal Secret Service. And he confirmed this is illegal, but it's happening all the time. So this is, and you can see it, you can film it. I mean, it happened to me. I had one of these guys destroying my film equipment and just coming out, you know, then the police got him because they didn't know he's what he was one of them.

1:35:39And they got me and they said, oh, we will take him to prison, we will take him and now we make a confrontation and we will explain what happens. And they said, oh, no, we make no confrontation. He's like, it's something different. So yes, I mean, so you have many, many layers of deception here. And you know, as I told already, war is the art of deception and you have it on all levels. And yes, Rainer Filmych, I would suspect he's not just a criminal as the court ruled, but he is also hindering, destroying an honest and clear way of disagreeing with the government. So we had, you know, the thing is, if you tell bad things about Filmych, we have to pay attention that doesn't mean that the show was bad, that the guests invited to speak there.

1:36:39You know, it was a bit a kind of market, open market, speaker's corner of the dissident room. They didn't really do a deteriorial meetings. They didn't really decide very carefully on who to invite. They just did invite everybody, everybody could just speak and the questions were not very well structured. And in fact, the fun thing is that this is, in fact, one strength of the committee, as it was not structured, everybody could just speak, it felt free, you know, free thinking place. And so it was about the guests and not about the moderators. This is what is really important. It doesn't. And if today the whole Filmych story is putting a shadow on this project, it's really a problem because it shouldn't. You know, this is the whole point of a society, which is just an ethical, is that because X did a crime that Y isn't responsible for it, even though they had lunch together.

1:37:52You know, you have to prove that why he did a crime to put him into prison, not that you don't have to prove take the fact that they are in contact as a proof or a crime. To go, I'm sorry to make such a long description of what I lived through, but I just wanted to say that I felt that there was danger everywhere and that there was deception everywhere. It's not like you had 200 well meaning dissident media people who came together and there was like one crazy guy who said something which were against the interests of the dissident. No, no, I would even suspect that especially people who were most exposed were probably especially suspicious as being bad actors.

1:38:52I gave some names. I could give more, but especially in Filmych is of course an extreme guy because he he did this for a long time that he in fact spoke to a crowd of people said let's attack this evil company like a bank or so. He took their money to attack them and then he didn't do anything so what he must be somebody of these people who feels that he is very smart because he gets away with being paid from both sides. You know, it's a it's a scam and he gets money from the bank for not doing anything and he gets money from the victims of the bank to do something but the contract is written in a way that he doesn't need to. I was so surprised you know if you would I was if he would just be a regular criminal I if I would be a criminal I would at his position I would have at least taken like 90% of the money he got from the crowd and made made a legal thing with 10% of the money.

1:40:12In the in the interview with Mary and gave our David Hughes said I didn't know that I didn't know that I am that he might have gotten 1.4 million euros just for his so called class action activity. So just imagine he would spend a hundred thousand euros on lawyers to do something he doesn't even need to work himself and keep the rest for his swimming pool and his new house on the beach. I mean this is what a criminal would do normally so why didn't he do not even one step in the legal case this is crazy. I it's not rational it from the in the criminal mind for me this this makes him suspicious of being entangled with this groups who we were supposed to sue. Because if he starts the legal procedure then you will have other lawyers looking at it and say look you can do this you can do this you can do this why don't you do this you know.

1:41:14And if you just if you spend a hundred thousand euros at least you can do something you know it's it's not nothing for legal I mean it's so so so I think. The demoralization effect is higher if he's not doing anything and he appears to be a bad act and this regard so some people might be his fans in support him and others just be angry might be angry at him but both in fact both groups are then harmed by his action. And and what is of course suspicious is as a Q and an actor I like the comparison you made because he in fact gave the impression that he will save the people he gave the person we will take care of it you don't have to do anything I'll take care of it I am so powerful I'm so well connected.

1:42:14And and of course this is part of a propaganda scheme to keep people in the passive position you know active an active crowd where each person is acting within their options and their room is what a democracy means. People waiting to see what happens is not a democracy whatever whatever comes around the corner it is not a democracy so this attitude in itself is anti-democratic and this is why I also became quite fast especially from I wasn't aware of his stealing but of course if you steal millions in fact at the end it's millions out of money out of the donated money out of the media system. It is of course also way of harming the movement so you had these actors who were very exposed and use the exposure to to harm in fact what's happening and I think that over ice now the author quoted in the article by David use.

1:43:29Found out that he might have links to Scientology and as my is my be common knowledge Scientology is in fact created by a guy Ron L one habit Ron L habit who was working with with oh and I office of novel intelligence before so we have to suspect reasonably that Scientology in itself is a psy op to infiltrate both. Governments and corporations and societies to get money to get information and to to get control over these people and and I could imagine that he somehow is collaborating with them because this is what has passed is. And what I did recently three weeks ago in fact I went to the guy who appeared in the documentary from 1999 and who told in that documentary that filmage is master in the out of deception and this is a quote from 1999 and that he seemingly helps the bank he tells he is attacking because he's not doing anything.

1:44:46And this guy told me in detail about him how he got to know him at the time and that he came out of nowhere but then immediately appeared on television. Various interviews who made him known and then he gathered like a couple of hundred mark from people to suit the big banks and so it seems it seems to be his way of stealing money and protecting large corporations and here obviously he got a job to protect not just a corporation but the government. And the another point which is also very suspicious and I think this is very important for the audience to see you have people who give their face you you see these people like Fauci or Donald Trump and in Germany you have similar like drosten and and and similar who are peon television that villa or the ministry for health.

1:45:47So the government decided that these are the people who are who's job is to sell the measures. But these people are of course not responsible what mafia would do that so if you're the responsible guy even if you're just responsible on a level I'm not even talking about the big bars just on a level even then you wouldn't give your face. In Germany the ministry of interior who did for instance the censorship the who's responsible for acquisition and who restructured you know all the whole system of surveillance and the police he never appeared on television. The guy the general who was responsible for the covid measures never ever gave an interview not even one not for a newspaper not for mainstream. But he's the guy you would attack in a legal case you wouldn't attack the guy who is an acting as if you were a scientist and who's just promoting what the government says he can just be attacked as a I mean he's also of course responsible but he will not.

1:47:03If you billions with the billions you need to have them the middle class going forward it will be the real actors of the real government who really decided on things this is where you have to attack. I had this discussion with Philmich in summer 2020 already and he said now now we have to do we have to attack the symbols and I I became already a bit suspicious at the time and the more the time went on I felt. That there was something off because also he was repeating always the same sentences he couldn't and if I said something to the he would still repeat the same sentences and sometimes he said yes yes yes. But then he wouldn't do it he would just do what his programmer in fact he seemed to be an actor more than a player. And that's not the only thing. Forget whatever plans you have this weekend because you're staying at home and playing on SpinQuest.

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1:49:11So this and then he took on small cases and which were escalating so I am suspecting him being in a bad actor and that he in fact did this for a third party I don't know who. But I don't think he did this in his own personal interest alone you know and I don't even think he did this being paid by the other party I mean I don't know I cannot tell why he did it but it is quite impressive as coming from a lawyer as an action. And I had another guy the one you quote in your article and Marcel Younger who also was kind of person I never met before I mean like film is he's the one who talks to you and you feel like it's too good to be true he's telling me exactly what I want to hear. And then I had discussions with other people who were dissidents and said oh I had the same feeling he made me dream all the things we could do just I mean the audience will not know is so I just give it in a natural so this is a guy who came to me saying look I'm very rich I have no work anymore.

1:50:21In my spare time because I want to do something good and this is what to support democracy and free media this is why I want to finance your film because you are asking for finances I could pay at all what do you want. And and I said I look I mean if I could work and there's the same conditions I could work with television television if we did a science documentary we had 90,000 euros as a budget for a 52 minute film which is which is a medium budget for television it can be much higher if it's on a on a bigger slot. I said look if we were if you could just give me the television slot I could work normally I wouldn't need to do video calls and a distance but we could go meet the scientists film and laboratory explain what is happening have 3D animations to explain the science and all of these things and could make a film what this films as I did in the past with the same team same salary you know this would be a dream you know just to continue to work.

1:51:23And and then he asked me you know but how many documents would you like to do I said maybe like six and say I if you had like 500,000 euros if I can choose if I'm in and he said yeah okay 500,000 I give you 600,000 and if you want more just ask me you know and it was of course I mean it seems for somebody who is just a journalist or blogger it seems like crazy amount of money. But you don't know how much it's going away if you pay people you know we are used not to I mean if I'm now doing my videos alone with my computer I'm not paying anybody I'm doing it all myself but if you pay a camera man the sound engineer somebody who mixes the sound I mean and you know how many days of work a documentary can be if you really want to meet these people all over the place in different countries it's it's it's not a high budget and so this this guy in fact use this to to enter into my world and then we said he said look let's make something together let's make a company together or several companies make big make and then of course he understood my dream is to be in competition with the mainstream and say look there's a huge word some of the best journalist some of the best filmmakers and authors are not having their place any more.

1:52:52They're losing the publishers for instance just because they're telling the truth that it's just because they're too good because they're honest you know I don't want to want this to happen and the crazy thing is people like Vodak which we mentioned earlier he was number one best seller in Germany for weeks and weeks and weeks and also Paul Schreier. So I I licensed the rights to their books and and made translations to other languages and published them in English and French and Italian and wanted to make this happen and he made me dream this way to to go on this way and and the narrative was that he has no commercial interest. Forget everything you had planned for this weekend because you are sitting on your couch and winning from the comfort of your own home. I'm here with spin quest where you can play hundreds of slot games all of the table games you love and you could even win real cash prizes.

1:53:52New users 30 dollar coin packs are on sale for 10 at spinquest.com. Spinquest is a free to play social casino boy where prohibited visit spinquest.com for more details. But but he wants it for democracy which is for me completely natural but then he said look you want to have equipment. We I give you a loan for equipment for your studios and and then you can have modern equipment because it's true you know I I filmed with semi professional equipment and. It's people might not know it takes a lot of time if the equipment is not professional professional equipment just makes you win a lot of time you need to pay less because the adapters are working everything is stable it runs. So I gave me a loan for this and then suddenly the sort of first part of the documentary series was finished we wanted to release it and then suddenly.

1:54:59Some days before the release he disappeared and said I don't want to work with you anymore. Okay. And we had some weeks before we had finished the Japanese translation of the book of partially was number two best selling a Germany about the. The pandemic role games you know like the two or one and similar ones and it's a wonderful book because it shows. Just these describing what happens since 1999 in the pandemic games you understand the mindset and the way people are many manipulated into this pandemic emergency. And and they said oh yeah you finish the translation you paid and I he knew I paid like 10,000 euros for all of it in including the layout and everything. And I don't want to do it anymore you it feels like you. I did I did something wrong but I didn't know what I did wrong I felt like.

1:56:02I mean I didn't really doubt at that moment yet is good intentions because I said why would he give so much money money is in fact energy. So if I have money I can do things so somebody who wants to hurt me will not give me money this is what I thought this is why I had this confidence. In fact I am the equipment came later on. We did was a lot of work to you know buy it we kept our studios and just a week after derived he said look he wants to exchange the equipment and the co production funding into having. Shares of our companies I several companies like the one in Italy and France too you know so I said okay I have to think about it. Why not but I don't know I have to think and then I then he disappeared and disconnected and then there was a contract proposal and he promised me.

1:57:09The whole thing is in this scenario I wouldn't have earned money because normally if you sell shares of the company which is running. You become a bit richer you know. If I sell shares of my company and I get a hundred thousand euros I would get it privately. But in this scenario in fact. I didn't get any money for myself but just for the company but the money I already got it so. It didn't make me powerful as a person but which was okay for me because I did it in the time for the cause I felt the emergency I wanted to have a free a country for my children. I try to be fast sorry for this long story but so finally I said no I think I can't do this also because he you know he went out of contact. And I felt like it felt a bit weird it wasn't like a partner which I could discuss issues with and he wanted a bit of I felt that he wanted a bit of submission and this is of course not how you can run the company together especially if I you know.

1:58:23The audience might not know I was I've been running a company that we just think. I mean in this way kind of film production I did for. 22 years at the time you know so I was this is my thing you know I build up something. For a long time and we had a team of eight before the covid crisis started and it became bigger after that and just to finish on this. He said okay then I want the equipment. And I said look the equipment all the equipment all the studios we just work for weeks and weeks to put it in there and and so on. Yes and can't I give you just installments to pay you back the loan we can it can be big and so no I'm not interested in money. I want my equipment. Oh you're not interested in money no no it's not about money. Okay and then so. I some there were some lawyers around and they were I spoke to Viviana Fisher one the other woman from the committee.

1:59:26She said oh you shouldn't do that he it's not ethical. There is a law protecting you he can't just take the equipment away. And there was this other lawyer didn't come to the appointments but this was before that very story happened. He said look you can do something so finally I said okay we will defend ourselves in court and try to have this loan going on. And it it came to a point where I felt will look he's from another world he he was he was very aggressive. And it wasn't like a way of being not okay with the business relationship we had. It was really extremely aggressive and he even sent me death threats on telegram you know because of because I resisted on the court at two times even. So so I felt like wow that is another level.

2:00:26And it took another year or so. That finally I gave up it in a way it was a war of attrition and I found out in fact you know I said to myself when I did this contract with the co production agreement for the documentary series. I said to myself look what do I what I'm risking if I if I don't take his money these films might not be done or not be done in that in this professional way. And he just he gets shares of the films or he might get his money back. It's not it's not a support you know it's just you get chairs and as we were quite successful some of our videos had millions of use. If now we do the professional documentary we might have millions of use again it will just let both an impact but also maybe give donations or we could you know we could have specific donations. So he would even might get his money back or part of his money back and everybody's happy and if he's an asshole if he is not trustworthy what what am I risking I'm risking only the films.

2:01:34This is what I'm but the films wouldn't exist without him this is what I was saying to myself I'm not giving shares of my company. I was completely wrong I didn't understand the game because the moment you have a contract with somebody he can sue you. You know and the higher the amount the more expensive is the law offer. The more expensive is any interchange and it becomes all complicated and heavy and takes a lot of time and energy. And how can you if the lawyer is paid according to the amount the court is paid according to the amount so if a small company has this higher amounts to deal with. It can just bankrupt them even if they win all the law cases even if they win all the time so I wasn't well that I didn't think that far because I'm not used to this kind of way of thinking you know. So I can advise everybody in the audience if there is a reason to have not full trust with the potential partner keep your distance because whatever the agreement is he can always keep you busy.

2:02:42And the contracts we did were very into my favor I had full editorial control I wouldn't have done it otherwise I had I didn't even need to you know explain how I spent the money I could just do the films and it was very easy for me on the administrative level much easier than the contracts I would have with with film fans also but still it it's a means to. It was a means to crush our structure can I just jump in here yeah sorry I'm just just for a second to know so what happened was and I'm part of this story in a way as well I started to compare notes again it's all a bit fuzzy but over the past year to. You know I'm interacting with a whole bunch of other podcasters and content creators and you start to learn oh this I you know then you know I learned a few other stories before I learned about tell me about it I'm very curious how are you part of the story to know right so I I in my article I talked a bit about it but.

2:03:53You know I his name first you know just for me what what what is the string and sometimes I doubt myself you know sometimes I feel like in some of these instances that you describe there's no big smoking gun but there's enough smoke there's a big pattern. You know what it sucks to be bored but when I get on my phone and play real casino games on spinquest.com the time flies by that two hour wait at the DMV seems like ten minutes play your favorite spots live black check live perhaps with a live dealer new players thirty dollar coin packs are on sale for ten bucks play spinquest.com and you'll never be bored again. Spinquest is a free to please social casino boy where prohibited visits spinquest.com for more details where I begin you have to start asking questions something strange is going on I've known a few wealthy people over the years and I've also felt that usually even the very wealthy are even it's even more difficult to prime money from them I've had that feeling so people that have a lot of money.

2:05:06They don't just go around giving it out and so I learned you know I forget who who I first learned about so did this German guy right Marcel that he had I was at teensy radio you know I was offered a job March twenty twenty two and then you know Rick moon interviewed me and then the next day Mike Ryan of teensy radio offers me a job and I thought and you know a lot of us had this thought that was just when I was. That was just when I was going to attempt to do geopolitics empire full time and here comes the software you know nice paying salary doing what I love and you know even some of my colleagues at TNT even some listeners thought you know is this a way to get you away you're doing TNT full time and I all have less time for geopolitics and empire you know was that maybe a strategy to do that but you know I learn TNT there was that public spat between. You know Mike Ryan calling out Marcel I don't know the full details but something went on you know I think TNT you know TNT radio had issues themselves in terms of management finance but then you know so that's the first time I hear of this Marcel person and then it's like time passes by and then you know I was shocked to learn about your oval media situation with him and then I had a call.

2:06:34I had a call with him you know he wanted to I had a call with a couple years back when 24 with whom with Marcel so he yeah so he messages me and and whatever I'm like you are like I don't know what's going on he says you know very nice guy and this is why I devils advocate I'm kind of like second guessing myself even still to this day but you know he my memory is very fuzzy but if I can sort of recall. He was saying to have my podcast on some other platform that he was building I don't know if he's still building it and I think I can recall correctly he sort of suggested what he did with you to me that he would help me form some sort of like a formal business structure incorporation for geopolitics and I'm just self employed you know I don't really need. And and I'm thinking we'll wait a minute if you know he helped me form that he might have you know equity a stake in that and then potentially be able to pull the rug out on me and you know in regards to the platform I said you know I'm happy to have my podcast on any other platform after the fact but I will always self host you know my website self publish my.

2:07:57podcast directly and then from there it's I'm happy to have it. Republished so it kind of felt like it could have been interpreted that he was seeing if. You know he can gain a stake in my podcast yes for later were afterwards you know maybe to have me again I'm just theorizing here maybe to have me. Not just a certain narrative or if not pull but then so the question so what becomes strange then is it's you oh media it's TNT it's me and then I learn a host of independent content creators and this is open source information you know he donated to there it was and he left a message on his crowd funder I'd love to meet you get to know you is Whitney Web she message me personally and said. You know I can reveal this she has I guess she hasn't had the time to talk talk about it he gave money to Whitney Web sizable donation.

2:08:57She began to inquire again because this is the point this can be entrapment and I use the case in my article of tenant media temple and Dave Rubin who were through different cutouts getting money. But the end of that line was sold that that was Russian money. So this is the easy way to take down alternative media to say you're receiving money but then the security state the European you know our western globalist governments can say oh look that the source of that money that you received through I don't know it could be Marcel could be whoever. It's Iranian it's Russian it's Chinese you are now a foreign agent we're shutting you down you're going to jail. Finds and so my point is Whitney Web once she asked one one the more about him I guess through his contact person. They just gave some simple explanation and then they never donated again they sort of backed away.

2:09:59They're bros and then you know we learn UK column 20% owner rising time foundation of Matthew era and Cynthia Chung both of who I've interviewed and there are still other I won't name them because they haven't they told me personally I don't want to reveal anything that's not already open source but other known content creators have also received financing from him and so what is strange for me. Is this scope. You know it's kind of odd that the net is wide so is he is he Jen you know genuinely interested in helping or not so if it's like if you give everybody and according to maybe the importance or so then. It might be. The aim of having influence if I would if I just put myself into the position I mean he didn't tell me would give everybody but now I know at least for the German speaking area I know I mean at least of a dozen people got money from him.

2:11:07And it's very impressive and and most of them had no problem you know just got money and that's it so he in fact had a positive image of them and some of them there's a filmmaker documentary filmmaker who got. He said we wanted to make a documentary together but we couldn't get along because he always wanted to have it differently than I would do it and we spent like three years developing and starting to shoot various documentaries but it didn't work out. He doesn't see that this could be a way of harming the project so the German documentary filmmaker but I see it this way you know I see because I see the pattern you know. If you spend money and if you spend time something should come out of this and if it nothing comes out of it and you usually do your firms. And especially you know if you have a guy who is very rich then he might be used to delegate you know if I were rich I would just choose whom to give money and then let them do their thing.

2:12:20You know if I want to be a filmmaker myself and I'm extremely rich I just do a film myself I don't need you know I might have advises teachers but I wouldn't need enough filmmaker if I need training or something you I wouldn't have this kind of. So this is making me suspicious so a lot of other people have stories which from my perspective look as if it were harming the dissident work. But they see it or but he gave money he supported us here but now it didn't work out there you know so you can turn things around and even myself there were. Moments even after even when we had legal conflict there were moments where I said to myself look but maybe he just is angry at me and maybe I did something wrong I don't really understand what it is but who knows I've never been I'm not a businessman like he is so I didn't behave the way I should have had you know he gave me that feeling you know he gave me clearly that feeling.

2:13:24Recently I took the time to read the emails starting 2020 and to see when happened what and then it it was really good for me I saw it every time when some project where at a crucial moment like the release of the documentary the book will come out in Japan and then everything is ready now we invested a lot of time and also money. Now it should go out and be distributed then you know there was a conflict and then the support was left away and what you know the other story which is already known because some articles are out there and you mentioned it I think yes you saw that. The you know the four part documentary series was black shelved and you know this is there's no narrative when you spend millions to support dissident media why to give awareness to issues and when a film is ready you promoted you spend maybe more money in the promotion of the film than in the production.

2:14:39Because it's not about how good or bad a film is it's about the ideas and the analytics the film is conveying that this is why he this is the narrative this is what he told to everybody he wants the narrative to spread this is why there is a support. So why would a person in this position not promote the film which is finished or the film series in this case. You know what it sucks to be bored but when I get on my phone and play real casino games on spinquest.com the time flies by that two hour wait at the DMV seems like ten minutes. Play your favorite spots live black check live prep with a live dealer new players thirty dollar coin packs are on sale for ten bucks play spinquest.com and you'll never be bored again. Spinquest is a free to please social casino boy we're prohibited visit spinquest.com for more details. I'll do it you know there's there's a bit of sabotage I guess can we say there and I just want to add a point I don't see any other explanation you know the you know the question is always what is the intent is he a crazy guy you know but but looking through the emails I was really very very conscious of fact

2:15:57that the timing of the problem corresponded to the maximum harm to the projects. And and some of the people that I've spoken to that received funds and some of them you know or one time in a relatively sizable I'm estimating I don't know maybe thousands you know at least a thousand or thousands and like like Whitney the people who were not responsive who said okay can you tell me just more about who you are what are your motivations. He stopped he gave a one off and never subsequently followed through yeah you know so it seemed like the people that were not responsive. He just backed away from and then continued with people that were more responsive and very important point because it's not about helping them but to be in contact. And you have an entry dollar and in my other point if we were to parse out if there is any ideology that maybe he is nudging or promoting I have to go back to the multi-polar stuff because you know I was on TNT and then carol ja he's got a popular channel.

2:17:09I agree with him on anti-ampire stuff but he's hard core pushing China bricks multi-polarity and 15-minute city's technologies open source information. And so I think he was helping carol ja who came on TNT and then UK column and then rising tide foundation those guys talk. It's open I'm not inventing stuff I don't have a ill will towards people but it's just that. They are promoting this multi-polar line which in my mind is again we talked about that earlier that's the new form of globalism and. If I were to I mean does that make sense for you it seems like that's one thread that he is supporting yes I think. We had this discussion about what is happening in the world and. The point has been that the descent is growing people are not happy with their governments I think in France 90% of the French would just have a party if their president died you know I'm not really exaggerating the people just angry against the governments.

2:18:20And in that moment you need structures to control the anger and I would say yes he's part of that I would say I so he could work for a guest western government. Supporting people who are against western governments he could work for the Chinese government but he could also work for one of the plutocrats you know some some huge corporation or whatever or he could work for his own aim to support the multi-polar way I don't know how rich years but. I would not suspect this in the sense that he would work for his own good alone nobody would do this alone because it's too big I mean the narrative he told me is obviously a lie he's not a rich guy who is retired and supporting some people really likes because he's supporting probably hundreds of people.

2:19:21And structures and companies and you know what I recently saw something in the internet that he is named as one of the general managers of a company doing software for military. In Germany so this is crazy you know I wonder I mean as you know I'm not really a friend of the army in general but I prefer having a German army for Germany being in Germany to defend Germany and not to be intermingled with let's say Chinese army I don't want them to be separate you know I don't want to have Chinese control over the software of the German army. You know I'm not saying this is the case I don't know I'm just saying I don't know it's all it's all very hypothetical but it's a bit scary to me because you see that it's a global global global endeavor and undertaking.

2:20:24And and there's so many people the more I talk to people about it they all tell me their story with myself you do something I didn't know but it's true you mentioned also in your great article. These these these some of the stories it is it is really incredible so what I what my personal lesson is from this is that. I behaved I made a huge mistake my mistake was that every media person I met the last six years I spoke to that person about who to trust do not trust what do you think about this came with this big why did I do this to survive because if I just trust the wrong person it might kill my my reputation can I kill my finances bring me bring me in front of a court I don't know what but if I trust nobody. I'm not doing anything I need partners I need corporations so there is a crutch 22 and you need these discussions and the mistake I did was I never did this publicly because I said look the mainstream leader will use it against us dissidents they will say look they have a dispute they they don't want you know they are not there are Russian.

2:21:40Intelligence or whatever you know or they're they're not even honest because if I now attack Rina Philmich of course you you can imagine how much mainstream media was happy about Rina Philmich because he was the perfect story to tell about how stupid and corrupt the criticism of the German government has been you know so they use it all in different ways. Yeah and I'll just add again what this whole situation that I guess we can say we've been embroiled in and you know he became anyone can become a paid subscriber to my membership and he was a founding member and you know I gave him a forever free subscription because I don't want to take money anymore from someone I'm not certain of but also the last part of my article where I talked about these pantas about the gun act of measures where it's really strange where they're writing articles about me being a Russian agent which is strange because I go around saying put in his globalist CCP I mean they're communist I'm anti totalitarian like I have nothing.

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2:23:55O'Neill kind of people like Colonel Grant, I think Newsham and Stephen Mosher. They ignore those people and try to just paint me as these five percent of people that I interviewed to be this Russian agent. Again, that makes me think of this operation that we're talking about where maybe they can later play this card where we've been painted as multipolar Russian agents. Then our governments, your German government, my American government can come after me because I was taken off of PayPal by the Department of Homeland Security. I was taken off of Patreon by NATO. The same week, Atlantic Council wrote an Associated Press piece mentioning my podcast. Somehow I'm taken off of Patreon. Now they're talking about coming after podcasters and examining their foreign entanglements. I just received, I won't say the name, but I want to put this out. This is for my own self-protection right now. I received someone

2:24:56urgently wanted to come into contact with me. Yes, I like to interview people from all over the world, but I can't help in this environment that we are in now that's becoming dangerous. Ministry of Truth, this person urgently, a flag is urgent. Nothing is ever so urgent. Contact with me. They're using a Gmail account and they said if I urgently want to speak with them and another person who is a supporter of the Islamic Revolution and Islamic Resistance. And I'm like, look, I'm anti-American empire. I'm not a supporter either of the Islamic Revolution or Islamic Resistance. I've got enough problems to deal with. That's not my fight. I've got three countries that fights to deal with like here in Narco, Mexico. You know, I've got, I'm up to here with just trying to survive. And I'm a US citizen and my country is a war with

2:25:57Islamic Revolution. Now, if I respond positively to this message, can you see Robert that this could put me into trouble? No, it's like, yeah, you have to fight like a very, very sorry for my English, just not to be part of the war. You know, you have to make a war. It's in a, we are in an information war. You have to understand the rules, not to be suck up by the machine. And then you're part of Iran and then you might be, you might need to flee to Iran to survive, you know. I mean, like if I say, yes, let's, you know, if I respond in the affirmative to this message, you know, next time I go to the US, they check my emails. Oh, so you support the Islamic Revolution? I mean, US citizen. And then I'm like, that's not a hill I need to die on. I don't know what the solution to this is. If you were made to show with two people from

2:26:58the opposite sides at the same time, would it be, would it be better? No, I, you know, I, I have been, I, you know, I did send the interview request to Merandi, right, that professor who's talking about Iran, but again, I just find these types of frame, I'm now paranoid about in trap, given everything that we've all gone through. I'm just like, not, it's just becoming really weird. And I think listeners, you know, also need to understand everything, all, all of these things that are going on. It's not just simply you or me or others just having a conversation here now, the consequences are becoming very real for. It's right. And everything is used, which can be used. And it's the most crazy things happen sometimes. You know, I, for instance, recently, got a call. I mean, like, I mean, it's maybe one year ago already, but it was from the embassy of Saudi Arabia, they wanted me to just say how much money I want to film the ambassador here in

2:28:02Berlin. I think, you know, what is this about? How do you, why would you call me? I mean, we never worked for any embassy. We never worked for any government. We never, we didn't even do films for companies for long, long time. I mean, 20 years ago, did some films for corporations. But so we are certainly not the company we would call if you don't know any company. And they said, oh, we were told to call you. And I said, okay, and then I didn't respond. And then they're called back. They're emailed back. They really wanted us to make a film for Saudi Arabia. And I see how they could use it. They could say, look, they want freedom of press. But then they support the ambassador of the country who kills journalists, you know, and who's not respecting the women rights. So as Saudi Arabia is all our ally, I can see that there might be a link to our German government, but then they play good by bad, bad, bad guy when it's about the press and the

2:29:03media and the reputation. Yeah. So this is, I mean, this is how creative they are. I mean, isn't it, isn't it impressive? No, it's crazy. And I've had other, I've had conversations with other podcasters and they say, and I disagree with their framing, their view. They say that, oh, I'm, you know, they are suspicious of people that going around who are being suspicious. And I'm like, no, in fact, you not wanting to talk about what you and I are talking about for me is suspicious. Because if I have nothing to hide, you know, what you see is what you get, I'm open to being examined, right? If you have nothing to hide, you're open to being examined. But also, you know, someone said, you know, I broached any topic, right? That proves that I'm not controlled opposition. And I'm not, no, the point is not the particular person, but just that idea that I think that's as backwards because you can have these agents come in. And we've seen

2:30:09that happen with the neo-Nazi stuff, like all these crazy topics that promote the Jewish anti-Jewish stuff, pro-Nazi. Most of those are, you know, undercover. And then so to think that they don't know how to play this game, you could cover every single topic under the sun and still be a controlled opposition. You could cover certain topics and still be a controlled opposition. There's no strong rule here. So they cover all parts and, you know, I don't touch certain topics because I'm simply not interested in them. Like Flat Earth, just not interested in Flat Earth, or I don't believe that it's the Jews. Yes, there's a Zionist faction. And I look at that from, you know, academic approach, but I'm not, you know what I'm saying? And so anyway, if you say it's like, say, it's the Arabs or it's the Jews or it's the whatever, then you're, in fact, taking away personal

2:31:13responsibility. And this is what is my problem with this. Even if all perpetrators would be the same ethnicity and have the same religion. What we see here is still a class war and people from the same ethnicity and religion will also suffer from it. And these perpetrators are perpetrators as a person and not as a Arab or a Jew or whatever, you know, that it doesn't matter what ethnicity or religion they have. And it's of course what happens. I saw that like the homosexuals in the media world give themselves jobs because they're a minority. They want to protect themselves. I understand it, you know, I have, I mean, and then you can of course, expect there's a conspiracy of homosexuals in the media world, helping each other in professional issues. Okay, you know, the people who did all the same school do the same, you know, they all help each other because they had the same experience and they know well. So if they help each other, they advancing faster in their personal

2:32:17professional career, which is, this is how the world works. And of course, there are constant conspiracies all over the world. And people who are similar are often more on mutual help than people are dissimilar. So you will rather have people having the same age group, helping each other than different age groups, you know, it's of course, same ethnicity, same language, of course, they're helping each other. So to say this is not happening is very, very stupid. I mean, but to say the responsibility is up to one group is equally stupid. You know, and I'm very, very, very much impressed by the anti-Semitism I see in social media like for some weeks, which is, I mean, in a way, it's understandable. Israel as a government is having very aggressive wars with the Palestine and also with Iran right now. But it's framed in a way which is really uncomfortable to me, which is really weird to me. And they're doing the same thing which I

2:33:24so much hate. You know, if I criticize the Israeli government and then people tell me I'm an anti-Semit that it's as stupid as to say, look, the Israeli government is criminal. This is why we should hate all Jews. You know, no, we have accountability, we have people, and people should be responsible for their actions. This is what this is all about. I'm here with SpinQuest where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home with hundreds of slot games and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes. Right now, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. For new users, it's all at SpinQuest.com. That's S-P-I-N-H-U-E-S-T dot com. SpinQuest is a free to play social casino. Boyd, we're prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. And I'm not having a, putting a whole family into a prison if one member of the family committed a crime. This is how I see a law system and what we got the family also regards

2:34:32whole societies or ethnicities. So yeah, it's really important to keep the feet on the ground because this is what war makes with the minds. It spins around the minds and you go into a storm and you see danger and you simplify groups and you forget that this is just people acting in their interest with the aim to control other people. This is what this is about. And I guess on that theme, I'll just one of my closing thoughts is that we are in, as you said, this omnivore. It's information war. It's psychological war. It's financial war. It's it's law fair, of course, military, cyber war, all of this stuff. Sometimes there's friendly fire, right? Between us. But also, as we're kind of exploring here, there's all sorts of people among us and we must tread extremely carefully. And again, I throw the ball back to the audience

2:35:39to do their due diligence or discernment. A few people have emailed me based on what you're right. Should you trust this or that person? I'm like, you decide. You know, you do your research. And I also want to put down this idea of gurus or leaders. I've never said anyone. I've never said, trust me. I can't ever imagine saying going back on any podcast that I said, trust me. No, I'm here exploring this with everyone else. You're here along the ride with me. I'm doing this stuff for myself first, my telegram feed, my ex-feed, my sub-stack, my podcast. If you enjoyed it, come along for the ride. If you don't, see ya. You know, and so do you have any, I guess, closing thought for us? You had the best closing thought one can have, which is if you don't act, you are a slave. You have, you know, you have to move and nobody will save anybody. This is the big lesson I learned from what I just discussed with you. If somebody comes and says, I will

2:36:47say, if you're part of this group, then you will be saved. Then be suspicious because of these sentences. And if you're into it, if you see it, then in fact, once you've saw the ways of manipulations, the techniques and the strategies, then in fact, you can free yourself, and then it becomes easy to understand. It's like learning a foreign language, language. In the beginning, it's really hard because it seems all confusing. But when you just made a point on one person, and you see why he is doing manipulation, for instance, what are the tricks of keeping people in their sofas at home, not doing anything, then you will see patterns, and then you can have these patterns for other people, and then you can this. And your analytics of the

2:37:48multipolar world, and it's narrative, is also a very good entry point because if people come with a simple dichotonomy, you know, just having the good and evil and evil are not the good, but you know, then, then also, of course, they're getting away from human nature. So I think this is my mission, and I feel it's your mission too, to empower people, and to see how much power they have. If we just used a chunk of the power we all have, we would be free. The only reason we have these issues we are complaining about is that we just don't do what is in our power. And I'll just add one more thought. I want to mention his name. I think he listens to the podcast. Mike Driver, he's a friend of, I believe, and it cuts in who I've had on a podcast, and I

2:38:49want to see if I can get Mike on, but we've just been chatting on the socials. And something that speaks to what I was saying, what you were saying, we have these protests in Ireland right now, right? The farmers and the fuel. And Ezra Levant, the Canadian alt media podcaster, is out there, but he's also someone who's over the years I've lost respect for because of some of the stuff we've been talking about. He's been had strange activities surrounding him and some of the people he employs. But it's basically Ezra Levant is on the streets of Ireland, and he's asking, where is the Irish version of Nigel Farage or Marine Le Pen, or even their Georgia melody? And I'm thinking all of those people are captured. Nigel Farage, Georgia Maloney, I forget a few years back, like she met with BlackRock and is doing whatever they want. And Mike Driver commented, and this was already in my head the day before. He says, all captured, the strength is no leader. No one to

2:39:53blackmail, I don't trust this Levant guy. And that was my thought exactly. They always want someone to lead a movement who is either already an agent under cover, or that can be captured with money or grift or blackmail. There's strength in these farmers coming together organically without a leader. Why is it the system always wants us to have a leader? And that's why we should stop and we should strip our emotions out of this. Look at cold hard calculation, the situation as it is, people call me blackbilt, I don't care. And when you hear of one of your leaders falling, you should accept it, like Ryner Filmek, or a Trump, or a Putin, you know, and realize that yeah, I don't know that the situation is pretty dire. And so we're, but as you said, we continue the fight and you are optimistic. And so we just keep doing what we're doing. I'll include your

2:40:55links in the description. If you want to tell us where the best place is to find you, your work, current projects, if people can donate. If the best place is our website, www.ovl.media, very simple. And this is where there is a subscription for German language. And I also have a subsec. But I think most important is our website and most important is to spread also the news. And the energy you have in your work, if just a couple of people would add to this in distributing, making what they can do, giving workshops with pupils, you know, I think teaching and reading is also underestimated. It can be very, very powerful. And you need just a few people to descend, to get rid of total

2:42:02terrorism. Total terrorism needs an authority to speak with a single voice. So if there are two voices, it doesn't work. So if one voice is honest and the other isn't, and there's no, and there's no debate, debate possible, then it will create a real crumble. So this is, you have, we have to see the strength, we have, I'm just repeating myself. And also the power, modern technology gives us. Very good. Robert, follow Robert. And he's also his war weekly with James Patrick of big picture. I'll include all of those links in the description. Don't go. I'm here with spin quest where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home

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