Ron Paul’s Warnings Have Come True: Rising Debt, Endless War & Economic Collapse

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If you can judge a man by his enemies, former congressman Ron Paul of Texas, the long

retired obstetrician, the 90-year-old three-time member of congress and three-time presidential

candidate, is a very, very good man because he has the best enemies.

Here for example, is an exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and one of his friends.

This takes place in early 2012, when there was conversations there pretty much always

is in the United States for the last 30 years, about when and how we should bomb a Ron,

bomb a Ron.

And Epstein's friend writes to him this, during an election year, everyone in Congress

is falling all over themselves to show support for Israel, except for that dinkus, Ron Paul.

Ron Paul.

Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein's friends did not like Ron Paul, but what's not to like about

Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is, and you're going to see him speak in just a moment, probably one of the most

manifestly decent men ever to serve in the Congress, married to the same woman since 1957,

beloved by his children, grandchildren now, great-grandchildren, a man who spends his spare

time writing his bicycle and tending roses, a person who has articulated the principles

of non-violence throughout his entire public career, a guy who thinks that it is not just

unfashionable, but totally immoral to judge people on the basis of their blood, who thinks

racism and anti-Semitism or anti-Christian, guys never said a single thing against a group

ever, not once, in short, a thoroughly decent man of principle.

Why does everyone hate Ron Paul?

Well, there are a couple of reasons.

In fact, I personally discovered this way back in 2007 when I covered Ron Paul.

He was running for president that year.

I'd actually voted for him 19 years before in 1988 in college for president.

I knew nothing about him, but it seemed like an amusing protest vote.

He was running as a libertarian then.

But fast forward to 2007, he was running in the 2008 presidential campaign, and I thought

this guy looks kind of interesting.

I really didn't know much about him.

So I went on the road with him for a week, and I wrote a long profile for the New Republic

magazine.

I was working in television, but I thought it was kind of interesting to write magazine

stories again.

So I did.

And I learned a couple of things about Ron Paul.

One, as noted, enormously nice person, gentle temperament, decent, not flashy, not greedy,

not dishonest.

Two, I learned that Ron Paul is very sincere about monetary policy.

I would give these stemwinders about fiat currency and the gold standard.

And while the Fed was a scam, and he drew enormous crowds, at least relative to the topic.

Now at the time, again, this was 19 years ago.

No one was talking about the gold standard in public and getting anything, but laughter

and jeers.

You were a gold bug.

You were insane.

You were more on gold wasn't even a topic.

If you could check the transcripts from CNBC for the year 2007, gold probably not even

mentioned.

It seemed crazy to care about monetary policy then.

But Ron Paul did, and his audiences responded.

That was the first thing I noticed.

I had no idea.

This was a resonant issue.

I knew nothing about it.

So I assumed since I lived in Washington and was pretty well informed that no one else

knew anything about it either, but I was wrong.

Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in the end, millions of Americans were thinking

about the stability and the strength of the US dollar.

And they were convinced that excessive money printing since the early 1970s when the dollar

was detached from gold, which is to say from reality, when it became a purely fiat currency

redeemable for nothing, they were convinced that the US dollar was weaker than their leaders

said it was.

And they knew this because the price of goods they bought every week seemed to be going

up over time and no one was mentioning it or the goods themselves are becoming smaller.

There was shrinkage.

This is a well-known phenomenon now.

Back in 2007, people were talking about it quite as much.

If you were 37 in 2007, when you were in first grade in this country, a Snickers bar cost

20 cents.

By 2007, it cost nearly a dollar and it was smaller.

In that encounter, as other ways, it was obvious that actually this currency wasn't worth what

they told us it was and it was becoming worth less.

But only Ron Paul was talking about that and he was making a number of other points too.

One was that the United States wasn't actually deriving any benefit from all of these foreign

wars that it just wasn't helping us at all.

And that in the end, maybe violence isn't the solution.

He wasn't making hostile points.

He certainly wasn't attacking anyone.

He was merely saying this foreign policy, the foreign policy that led us in to say the

Iraq War and into Syria and into Libya and into Vietnam for that matter, isn't helping

our country.

It's incredibly wasteful of money and human lives and it doesn't bring the result they claim

it does.

And that's basically all Ron Paul said.

He mostly wanted to talk about monetary policy and goals.

But for the crime of saying what he said about foreign policy, he was truly hated and

the word went out time to discredit Ron Paul.

Why?

I'm not going on until I filed my story to the New Republic at the end of 2007 and it

was kind of skeptical but amused in affection.

I liked Ron Paul who wouldn't like Ron Paul.

What a nice man.

I didn't understand some of what he was saying.

I didn't agree with other parts of it, but it wasn't hostile.

It was kind of detached and amused and sometimes bumused.

So I file it and the editor says, oh, I like the story.

Good job.

We're done.

Then two days later, I got a call from that very same editor at the New Republic who said

we have a problem.

Ron Paul, it turns out, is a racist and an anti-Semite and I said, really, I'm not working

for Ron Paul.

I've got no emotional attachment to the campaign, but he didn't seem like a bigot to me.

He seemed like a nice Christian man.

Oh, no, the editor said, we sent out a reporter called Jamie Kirchick, a recent Yale graduate

and a fervid neo-conservative to go check into Ron Paul's background.

It turns out that he had newsletters back in the 1980s that used racist terms, and we

think he's an anti-Semite based on his foreign policy.

I said, okay.

Then the author of that piece, Jamie Kirchick called me and kind of grilled me.

You spent time with this man, this bigot, so Jamie Kirchick occupying the moral high

ground immediately.

I said, I've got nothing to do with that.

I didn't hear Ron Paul say anything about it.

And they tried to kill my peace, but I pushed hard and it ran at the very end of 2007.

Not that anyone cares.

It's the New Republic and has a readership of like 1900 people, but I cared since I wrote

the piece.

And then the very next issue, the first issue of 2008, and he cover story by Jamie Kirchick

on how you may have reached the wrong conclusion about Ron Paul in the last issue.

Actually, the guys are racist.

An anti-Semite probably can't prove it, but of course he is.

White Christian guy, right-winger.

The piece was actually called Angry White Man written about the least angry white man

in this country's ever produced.

People have called Ron Paul many things and some of them may be true.

Angry, they've never called him because he's definitely not angry.

He's here about to see, but they went out of their way and by they, I mean, organized

new conservatives to smear Ron Paul, not simply as wrong on the issues.

In fact, not as wrong on the issues.

They didn't bother to engage on the issue philosophically or practically, but wrong as

a person unacceptable.

You are not allowed to like Ron Paul because he's bad.

He's not see adjacent.

In fact, his family may be German.

That was 2008.

By the time Ron Paul totally undeterred, by the way, ran for president again in 2012.

They were foaming at them out, not because the Ron Paul movement had become huge or inevitable.

He was never in danger of being elected president, but because his decency itself was his calling

card.

Ron Paul was clearly not a bad person, no matter what they said about him.

And his ideas made a kind of inherent sense.

There was a coherence to his worldview.

And that was a massive threat to the members of our media and commentariat who'd like to

use your tax dollars to fight war some behalf of Israel.

That is just a fact.

And so the reaction to Ron Paul in that campaign was how to put it over the top.

For example, here was a young Ben Shapiro live tweeting a Republican debate that year that

included Ron Paul, will, quote, selected portions, quote,

Ron Paul is manifestly insane, wrote a young Ben Shapiro who somehow got into Harvard.

You wonder how?

As in previous debates, he's now gripping the pen as he would the neck of a Jew.

Manchin writing that about somebody, accusing someone of wanting to murder, in fact,

strangled to death, quote, a Jew.

That's a pretty serious thing to say about a person.

In fact, that's slander.

And in what basis did a young Ben Shapiro of Harvard fresh off his deal with Facebook

which he got somehow on what basis did he make such a claim?

Well, on none, Ron Paul never attacked the Jews, has never attacked the Jews.

I bet my house, Ron Paul has never had an unpleasant thought about the Jews or anyone

else.

Again, you'll judge for yourself in just a moment, but that played no role in Ben Shapiro's

slander.

Again, this is December 15, 2011 Ben Shapiro live tweeting,

Gingrich almost drops his pen, Ron Paul grabs it and rings it like the neck of a Jew.

Rick Perry had the memorable moments of the evening other than Ron Paul's corpse leaning

toward the grave and strangling the Jews.

Again, Ron Paul says sentiment is mixed about Israel and taking action against Iran.

Um, does Ron Paul know a Jew?

You could go check the transcript, probably unlikely Ron Paul used the word Jew.

He wasn't talking about Jews.

He was talking about the nation state of Israel, the secular country with borders and a military

and a government and a very sophisticated lobbying arm of which Ben Shapiro was a part,

trying to get the US taxpayer to foot the bill for another one of its wars.

It's that simple.

And he objected and everyone else on stage of course was for it.

New Gingrich immediately getting behind Israel as always.

He knows who pays the bills, but Ron Paul who doesn't really care about money, doesn't

believe in fiat money anyway, standing apart independently saying, I don't think this is

a good idea.

And Ben Shapiro, among many others, attacking him as an anti-Satmite.

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So I guess as you assess this, you see that this isn't the first time this dynamic has

been in play in this country.

In fact, it's been in play every single time anyone in the professional commentary it dares

to question the military alliance between the United States and this foreign country and

the wars that the United States is fighting on its behalf.

That is somehow an attack on an entire religion or an entire people.

And of course, it's slander, it's untrue, it will inevitably get people killed when

you say that, but they say it anyway because it's effective.

So they hated Ron Paul.

And a big part of the reason is because he opposed their wars, but there's another reason.

It wasn't just on foreign policy that Ron Paul made people mad.

But really enraged the entire Washington DC commentary class about Ron Paul is that he

was right.

Not that he was lying, not that he was hateful, not that he was a secret racist or Nazi,

all untrue, but they wouldn't care if those things were true.

What really made the mad is that Ron Paul precisely, crisply and honestly diagnosed the problem

and predicted the result years in advance.

Ron Paul in political terms is what we call a profit.

And if there's one thing we know about profits, is it they usually get stoned to death by

angry crowds?

In fact, almost always, people hate being told the truth about future events, particularly

when they're implicated in the causes of those disasters.

They just hate it.

Nobody wants to hear about how they're on the wrong path.

And so people who call it early are 100% of the time hated for it.

They're not rewarded.

They're not given some prize.

There's no Nobel Prize for predicting the future.

There's only a jail sentence or slander from Ben Shapiro and Jeffrey Epstein's friends,

the new republic and the rest of the liars.

And Ron Paul of all observers of American society may have gotten it more precisely right

than anyone.

And if you don't believe it, here's a selection of Ron Paul predictions from 2002.

Keep in mind, that was almost 25 years ago.

And Ron Paul saw it clearly.

Watch.

Mr. Speaker, our government intervention in the economy, the private affairs of citizens

and the internal affairs of foreign countries leads to uncertainty and many unintended consequences.

Here are some of the consequences about which we should be concerned.

I predict U.S. taxpayers will pay to rebuild Palestine, both the West Bank and the Gaza,

as well as Afghanistan.

U.S. taxpayers pay to bomb these areas so we will be expected to rebuild them.

Piece of sorts will come to the Middle East, but will be short-lived.

There will be big promises of more U.S. money and weapons flowing to Israel and to Arab

countries allied with the United States.

Federal Reserve policy will continue at an expanding rate with massive credit expansion which

will make the dollar crisis worse.

Gold will be seen as an alternative to paper money as it returns to its historic rule

as money.

Military and police powers will grow satisfying the conservatives.

The welfare state, both domestic and international, will expand satisfying the liberals.

Both sides will endorse military adventurism overseas.

During the next decade, the American people will become poorer and less free while they

become more dependent on the government for economic security.

The war will be – will prove to be divisive with emotions and hatred growing between

the various factions and special interests that drive our policies in the Middle East.

And from more class warfare, we will succeed in dividing us domestically.

And believe it or not, I expect lobbyists will thrive more than ever during the dangerous

period of chaos.

I have no timetable for these predictions, but just in case, keep them around and look

at them in five to ten years.

That's hope and pray that I'm wrong on all accounts.

Ah, it makes the hair on your arms go up.

Imagine having a vision of the future that precise would you be able to sleep?

Somehow Ron Paul has been able to.

He's nine years old, you'll see in a second.

Looks like he's had a good night's sleep in the last 24 hours.

But those predictions are so precise that it's spooky.

He predicts massive credit expansion before the global financial crisis.

This is six years before 2008.

He predicts the inevitable expansion in both military adventurism and domestic police

powers.

He predicts that both sides will support this.

He predicts that the dollar will become weaker and the gold will rise in compensation.

He predicts every major trend of the last 25 years precisely.

And so you have to ask, how did he do that?

He's not into witchcraft, he's a conventional Protestant Christian, he doesn't have a gypsy

telling him the future.

No, instead he relies on principles that he believes in and very simple moral framework.

Ron Paul is often described as a libertarian, but that both over and understates the case.

In fact, Ron Paul is fundamentally a moral voice.

Ron Paul opposes lying, stealing, cheating and murder.

It's that simple.

This isn't complex, Joseph Fletcher situational ethics, it's no.

Lying, stealing, cheating and murder are wrong.

They're always wrong.

They're wrong when you do them.

They're wrong when the US government does them.

They're wrong when a client state in the Middle East does them.

They're always wrong, period.

That is Ron Paul's framework for the world.

This is actual ideology.

And it turns out, if you stick to that, you can see the future pretty precisely.

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So with that we want to show you our long interview we did today with Ron Paul, who

is we said is 90 years old, and he's an amazing shape, more evidence that clean living and

clear thinking pay off over time.

But we also thought it would just be worth pausing and saying congratulations, Ron Paul,

and shame on the rest of us, him for his genius and us for not recognizing it at the time.

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But the key to getting better is repenting.

We're going to repent of our skepticism of Ron Paul's predictions.

They've been proven true, and now the man who predicted them, Ron Paul.

Congressman Ron Paul, thank you very much for doing this.

I was great to be with you.

Oh gosh, it's an honor to have you.

I remember traveling with you on a campaign that you did in the fall of 2007, and you

gave speeches about the Federal Reserve.

And I remember thinking, I know nothing about the Federal Reserve.

I don't see how this is a big issue.

I was completely wrong.

How were you able to tell almost 20 years ago that monetary policy would determine the future

of the country?

Well, it's because I got fascinated with this issue a long time ago, and I studied Austrian

economics, and they emphasized these various things.

They teach you to think about the ramifications of policy, and they also warn us who are involved

not to try to protect the day things are going to happen.

But trends are very important.

And for instance, if you print too much money, the value of the money goes down.

And history shows, the history is very important because countries have practiced these issues

and trying to get a free lunch.

And they've been doing it even before Romantay, and the abuse of the monetary system.

So monetary policy became fascinating with me, and it was especially emphasized on August

15, 1971, because the predictions of Austrian economics during the 60s, when I was reading

about economics and especially economics, Mises and Hayek and others, they said this would

happen.

And that was our first declaration of bankruptcy.

We said, yeah, we printed money, we passed it out, we said it's as good as a gold $35

on ours.

It was all a fib.

They had to know a little bit about history, but they always think this time is going

to be different.

We're smarter than they are.

We have computers, and they talk into themselves, and they convince themselves that they can

get by and keep from the trouble that printing money and subsidizing big government always

fails.

So for those who haven't followed this and may not know what you're referring to, August

of 1971, the next administration, what happened that day that was the Declaration of

bankruptcy?

Well, I can remember it precisely because I had been very much involved, but not anticipating

what I heard one Sunday night.

I was sitting in front of the television watching the news come in, and a special news

clip, and they put up a present at Nixon, and all of a sudden boarded my eyes open.

I was, as long as that short speech went to more of my eyes open, and I said, this is

a big deal.

It's going to have an effect.

It might be one of the biggest things that ever happened in monetary history, and it was

just a major date for what our country is against, and it was so clear cut to me that bad

stuff is going to happen from this, and we're approaching that time when bad stuff will

really be happening to us because you just can't print money in line to the people forever.

It's all based on a lie, and it's fraud.

It's counterfeit money, and people without computers, no better.

People with computers are probably distracted because they think the computer is going to

solve their problem.

It doesn't.

It gives them reassurance, and it doesn't work.

So that was there that Nixon disconnected the dollar from gold.

You could no longer redeem your dollars for gold.

I have to ask you, the United States claims to have, the US government claims to have the

world's largest gold reserves.

Some of them are held in Fort Knox.

They haven't actually been audited in a real way in almost a hundred years, despite the

lot of lying about it.

Why haven't America's gold reserve been audited, bar for bar, and what do you think that

tells us?

Well, it's a characteristic of what we're dealing with today in the current events that you

can't tell the truth because a truth is treasonous to empires.

They can't tell the truth, but they also have to have the people behind it.

Somebody has to get something from it.

The deep state, the military industrial complex, the drug companies, all they get something

from it.

But it finances bad things, and therefore they're talked into it, so the people support

it.

And then other people say, we know better and we'll be cautious and we know how to run

a monetary system better than ever, but it looks like a free lunch, but it isn't.

It's based on, if they had a dealt with it in a serious way, in a moral sense, that printing

money and telling the people that it's backed by gold and it's steady and we could have

the currency, the reserve currency of the world, and we're going to get rich over.

Well, that was half true because it wasn't true, but it worked for a little while and

it still works to a degree.

But I think the handwriting is on the wall.

This is not going to continue, and I think that's why we've seen an explosion of our problems

and the one thing that I look at or two things because of one of the things is the debt

going up and what the price of gold is because the price of gold, although it can be rigged

and delayed, but ultimately, the price of gold is telling you there's problems out there.

So there's something big going on, but it's just sort of a catch up of all the things

that we've been doing, you know, pretending that we can police the world, threatening

everybody, drop bombs on people, defy the Constitution and then punish the people who

want to tell us that, the few we have in Washington, they want to reveal the truth, but they

don't want it.

But they suffer the problem because they get blamed for treason, they're defying what

we said.

And, you know, I was there for a little bit and they would charge, you know, I felt

though they didn't bother me too much, they sort of left me alone.

But they would say, well, you don't help the president, you don't do this.

I said, yes, but why don't you measure things by whether or not we're falling the out

of office and that made a man, they didn't, they didn't, so I think what they're putting

up with now, the few we have, they're putting up with something much worse because the

danger is much worse and people are gathering around to pick up the pieces.

Who's going to run things?

So now we see people talking about, well, we've elected fascists and we, we elect communists

and all, and that's out of fear because people are sensing that people are always a little

bit smarter in the head of what the members of Congress are doing.

Most people think that this congressmen are smart and they know what to do, the people,

the people are ahead of the, the people are ahead of the government and the Congress

and believe me, if you just listen to them, you know, they tell you, they tell you things

that you never hear when you hear people who are in office and when times get tough, the

sad part is some of the people who know a little bit better and might want to associate

with, you know, this radical idea that you take your oath of office seriously, they, they

know better, but ultimately though, I'm always encouraged, I'm not discouraged because

I always think truth wins out in the end, to truth works and I figure, well, if they

don't listen to me now, maybe some of you will scratch something down, maybe something

will read it because I think the majority of the people want to hear it, you know, they

do want to hear it and I think that's why when I say some of that radical, he can't

go, he's going to be out of office in no time and, you know, they, they put us down,

but I think basically the nature of mankind is, they have this, they have this challenge

between good and evil and I think that, you know, you know, the good part of a free

society is a rocky road to go, but I think ultimately people will come down and right

now we're in the interim of it, we're trying to sort it out and there's a lot of people

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Well, I think you're right.

And part of the problem is it doesn't work anymore.

Part of the problem is everyone knows what's going on.

Thanks the internet.

It's hard to lie to people in the way that government used to.

What happens then?

So if our monetary system, our political system, the social fabric, all of them come undone

it once.

Where does that leave us?

What happens next?

All depends on what the people who think are the thought leaders who have written about

it and described the society you want, the people who promote liberty.

And you know, the people will recognize that.

We see a couple people really getting the grief in Washington that are in office.

And they're saying the right thing and you have to be able to pick that out and find

out what they're talking about.

So it is, it is education against the politicians.

And I think that I think basically that people, if they have the information, they will

do the right thing or lean in that direction.

But I also think you have to pay the bills.

And to pay the bills now is what our national debt recognizes.

They say it's a few trillion dollars here and there is going to be $40 trillion.

But it's much bigger than everything is based on the falsehood of the paper currency and

the printing of money.

And now people are waking up to this.

People are starting to realize that just having a lot of money, they haven't seen the

direct correction yet because they're still saying, oh yeah, my prices are going up.

I need more money from the government, you know, connect the lack of catharticism.

And I think what I see my responsibility as an individual is that if I think that I'm

on the right track, I should try to share that with other people.

And I think it's very receptive, the little bit of opportunity I had with running for

the president.

I was so impressed with the willingness of people to listen and it was a great support.

It's the thought leaders of the country what we have on our universities are a strong

detriment to what we have, the foreign policy and the power in Washington, a lot of good

people.

When the conditions get tougher or you have a charlatan that can be bamboozle people,

they drift over.

So right now, Washington, Washington is not helping us out, but there's a lot of other people

that are that I'm happy to be an optimist because I think the information is getting out.

We have good talk show host out there and things listen and I think people want to do the

right thing, but it is a big job.

And I think it's the most important thing is not to have more guns and more government.

You need more education on understanding what freedom is all about and why we've had

greatness in this country and the information is available there.

That's when I get excited when I realize that so many good things do happen, but we're

still have the majority of the people who got hold of the government power.

They have gotten us to send to this mass, so it's up to the people to wake up and make

sure our ideas get out there.

You made reference a couple of times to good people in Washington.

You said there are a couple of truth tellers in Washington who are under attack.

Who are you referring to?

Who are those people?

Well, the list is so short.

I don't know.

Yes, it is.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I like to pick out then because somebody else might be 95% of what I like, some might be

80%.

So, no, there's only, there's only a couple, most people, most people know that, you know,

I'm very prejudice and I'm very biased because I think my son's doing a pretty good

job.

Yes.

And I think it knows what's going on and I think there are others that are doing that.

But I think, I don't think the answer is in Washington.

I think the answer is recognizing why we have to get away from Washington and we have

to, I get people to understand.

So the educational system is good, but our educational system goes in the wrong direction.

There, they, for 100 years have gone completely away from the original intent of the Constitution.

So I see as an educational system, I'd never dreamed, I'd never go to Congress, I'd never

dreamed about slavery long, I'd never dreamed that anybody would pay any attention.

But people were starving, they're starving for somebody to talk straight with them.

And that I think is, I think that's, there's some very good things going on, but we have

to recognize the truth of what's happening.

And I think it's ideological and I really deep down a sea, it's a lot of good things

happening.

But most important is that we recognize, you know, the good and the bad.

And I think that I sometimes I wonder how we did get some attention in the presidential

races because young people, I was so, I got excited by young people with, you know, they

were so positive and excited, you know, I would ask a young person, I said, I just lecture

to you for an hour.

I said, and I for 45, 45 minutes, all I did was tell you what a mess we have and you're

here talking how wonderful it is.

But I always want to defend with what the answer is, but you've got to see the problem

if you want to convince people to do something else.

But when the educational system is all biased against liberty, against these principles

of individual responsibility, it's pretty tough.

But in that area, I get, I get optimistic with recognition of how dangerous it is because

we still, Republican or Democrat, the foreign policy is really very, very dangerous.

There's too many big weapons.

And I think we need a better understanding.

But most people do it.

Most people don't say, you know, I'd like to go to war, I want to, I want to carry

gun and shoot people.

Most people worry about, why are we doing this?

They're asking questions, but they've been able to win the psychological war because

if you object to it, you're un-American, you know, but I think it's education is the

most important thing that we do in an understanding and some moral basics that people should understand.

Like, if you, if you and I can't go and steal, why don't we left the government steal?

All the time.

Take stuff from us.

It's not rightfully theirs and they want to have all the power.

So the problems aren't complex and that's what delighted me when I would talk to young

people.

They seem to understand that it seems like the young people, you know, would respond.

Even it gets all the propaganda of the college universities and all the media practically

in the movies and everything else.

If you talk to them straight forward, you know, I would ask a student who was excited

about what I was saying.

I said, you know, but so and so just said that too, you know, when we had our debates,

I said, he said the same thing.

He says, yeah, but he wasn't telling the truth.

You know, people can recognize it.

So I come down as being an optimist with a lot of caution about what we have to go through

to restore the principles that most people would endorse if you just offered to, in principles,

there's too much political power and money involved.

But I think that I think the number of people that I meet are very decent people and yet

we have nothing just think of my lifetime, how many wars we've had, you know, and they're

so unnecessary.

So looking at some of the basic principles of what a liberty, society would do, it's

not that difficult and that's really what is in my heart and what I want to promote.

Well I have to ask you about wars.

So you were born in 1935.

You were 10 when the Second World War ended.

So you've seen all the wars, Second World War, Korea, Vietnam, everything since war and

terror have any of those wars made life better for Americans, do you think?

Probably not.

I can't argue the case and it's this control of patriotism that if you don't do this you're

not a patriotic person and people do that and they're so easily convinced that I have

to sacrifice something.

You have to defend what you believe in but you don't have to sacrifice any of your freedoms

to get it and they say, well we have to do this to get along.

People in Congress say, yeah, you're right, wrong on this issue but we can't get there.

So this only give them half of this pie right now.

So they see themselves as being, being able to work it out with the problems we have.

But I don't, I think that's wrong and I think especially young people, I like to, I talked

a lot of young people and even people that are a little bit older who have a young age type

of an attitude, open-mindedness to what the country should be all about and what liberty

is all about.

So I think it's so fantastic but I also recognize that the world is imperfect and we're not

going to see a perfect society, you just have to sort of help guide it in certain directions

and the freer we are, I think the better, the more tyranny we have, the worse off we are,

but it takes a moral understanding of what our relationship should be with the government

and that's where it gets touchy because people want to use it of the few, want to

own control, the deep state, whoever they are, they have, they're the ones who controls

the politics and all the legislation and the spending, but that's coming to an end, we're broke

and everybody's starting to know, even though we knew it was broken, that was my discovery in

that, in 1970, when Bretton Woods broke down, you know, in 1977 and when Dixing gave us speed,

I knew that, but it took a long time, we were so wealthy, we were spoiled and we could defy

the principles of liberty and decency because we were so rich and still are rich, we're still

consuming, but we're not producing, I mean we have a moral crisis, but that's where I'm

optimistic because I think that number is growing and I think there are a lot of young people

looking at it differently, I think our technology is helpful, I think people who have interesting

talk shows and get good views of and share some of these views makes it different and I think

there's some very good things going on and I also accept the idea that perfection is not achievable,

but it is definitely available to us to go in a certain direction and we've been as a country going

in a wrong direction for a long time. There's this very strange phenomenon we're watching right now

where as the country becomes poorer, we're bankrupt, you said, I think everyone agree with that,

we spend even more on foreign wars, we spend more now than we did 10 years ago and we're

poor, why do you think that's happening? Well, I think our effectiveness isn't being

being pursued through intellectual means and philosophy because our universities are crowded by

this false illusion that it's the government's responsibility to do everything and people don't,

I think they basically accept it, but they have trouble challenging the university system.

When I was in college, I was asking a lot of questions and then finally dawned on me, I wasn't

getting very many good answers, but I think that I also have a very favorable thought that

everybody is born with a chance to come to a right decision about non-violence,

you know, no lie, cheating, stealing and killing, that's pretty simple and you don't need

this many laws, you just shouldn't be people like that and most people say, well, that sounds easy,

yeah, but the trouble is most of the individuals do, yeah, I don't lie, cheaters still are kill,

but the government does, you have to apply those rules to the government and then we would get

ahead and there are some there, but boy, I'll tell you what, just look at the people that hold

the line for no lie cheating and stealing and take it to the government and tell the government,

they can't do it either, they get in the big trouble, they might be the most libertarian,

free loving people in the world and they will get the rest of them, but they're challenging

our system and you don't want to ruin our system because we have to help people get along and

solve our problem that we created, you know, it's such a farce, but the good news is the system

is coming to an end, the good news also is that there's an alternative, there's a good news is

that more and more people are looking at the freedom alternative, but the bad news is it's entrenched

and there's going to be a lot of havoc that goes through the country finding those people,

but I was so encouraged with what went on in the presidential campaigns because you know,

the young people came out and I, you know, for the two times I did that was good, several years,

I would walk out there to a stadium and see, where do they come from, what are they doing here?

And they say, well, they came here to hear what you have to say, I say, but I don't have a speech,

so I can talk about liberty, no, but there's something going on, so talking to young people,

I excites me and I hope it keeps me young too, see, I want a benefit from it all.

Well, it has so far. So when you were in Congress and you served in Congress for quite a while,

as I remember, you were attacked for not being supportive enough of Israel. Do you think that

was fair? Why were you, your views in Israel different from some of your colleagues?

Well, because I think that I do support Israel, but I don't support their policies, you know,

Israel is not what the Neocons tell us or what is happening now, because I think Israel,

let's say the West, the United States are flat, I broke, and they're all fighting a war,

I think Israel is going to be in a war shape. So, but I think they're

pampered in a way that all we have to say, you know, when Gornbayaire came here first,

she didn't come to the government, she came here to, you know, get personal help,

but it turned into this boondoggle of getting something for free. I think, I think,

Natyah, who's been to the country with his hands out the last year, four or five times,

seven times. Seven times, boy, I got to catch up. I can't keep up with them. And they're always

with their hands out. And I think that's where we're under a lot of pressure to how to handle it,

because I'm cautious because I'm not looking for a fist fight, I'm looking for an intellectual fight,

you know, an argument. So, the people that I get disturbed by this, you know, I don't need this,

but I think when people hear it and have a chance, I think they choose liberty.

You know, I really do. People know, I think the one basic practical enemy was the fact that

our universities taught us, you know, junk economics. You know, like I said, I'm

meant to go, you know, the government, the government gets involved and they do it.

And they claim that deficits don't matter. And yet, I think they really matter. And I think

common sense is lacking on that. But I think it's that Israel's following a dangerous path,

you know, in a way, because what are they going to do if we're totally bankrupt tomorrow? And

what's going to happen? And what if they became more afraid of loving? What if they did my

suggestion for some of our foreign policy problems? We're in 126 countries, I'm spending billions of

dollars, and I have a solution. I said, we just marched in, just marched out. You know,

what would happen then? If we just got out of that, I mean, it would reduce the number of problems.

People don't have enough confidence and liberty. They've been indoctrinated. And that's why,

you know, in spite of the shortcomings of the internet, we get to see your show on the internet.

Every, there are so many advantages, you know, the internet. So a message I never dreamed would

get more than 15 people out on a college campus. All of a sudden, in the message,

it had been spread. People want to hear it. So, and I think those numbers are growing.

I really do. And I think that I think there's a lot of positive things happening. But it's still,

I think it's an intellectual fight. I think it's educational. I think the fact that we have so

many special interests and so much indoctrination. And we have the schools against us, the whole work.

But now there's homeschooling. And there's more homeschooling than ever before. When it was started,

they try to close it down because some of the goofy people knew what was coming. So,

there's a lot of good stuff coming out with homeschooling. And we're very positive on that. So,

but I still think it's an education, ultimately it's an educational fight to get people to understand

because whether how do you go into somebody that they have a family, the father's not working and

they have six kids and they're getting everything coming from the government. I mean, you have to

really, you know, be persuasive. But I believe so strongly in it that you can't persuade people

because this one we have is failing and they have to see the connection of the failure in this system

related to bad ideas. And like maybe government deficits aren't a good idea. That should be too hard

printing money. Maybe that's a bad idea too. Maybe telling people how they live their lives

is a bad idea. Maybe they can take care of themselves. Maybe more, but there's more

criminality when you have an overly oppressive government on and on. There's so many advantages

to living in a free society that, you know, I sort of did think I was going into politics, didn't

and that's what I wanted to do. It was in for a couple months and they threw me out. And then I

did it again. After eight years, I said, this isn't for me. So I got out and went back to medicine.

But then after that, I was back in the office, back in office again, I think over 20 years.

But it was always always trying to talk to people about ideas. And I think it's exciting.

And I think that the big thing is, is people should enjoy what they're doing. And I hate the

violence that comes out of what we have. You even pointed it out to a degree. But in my lifetime,

all the wars have been going on. I was born in 1935. And believe it or not, I was a good student

when I was very young. I remember things that we go on in the depression at World War II and

Korea, Vietnam, and on and on. And it makes no sense whatsoever. And it defies logic and good

common sense. It defies morality. And you talk to young people in that tone. Most of us,

that's it. But of course, there's always that few. The people who run the show, the people who

run our government, it designs our design our government so that all the legislation is in

control. There's not too many that stand up for liberty. But there's a lot of people who that do.

And they welcome it. I felt like people like to hear it because even though I might spend

when I had bigger crowds at times, I talked to a lot of young people, I could spend 45 minutes

talking about how bad things were. I was stupid it wasn't. How dumb the water system system was,

how ridiculous the foreign policy was. And about after there were 10 minutes left or so,

I would switch. I would say, we don't have to have this. Then I have my 10 minute pits for liberty.

Whether it's monetary policy or foreign policy, social policy or living well and all this.

And that I was so impressed and so pleased afterwards, young people would come up and

happen several times. So I think that's important. They would come up and say, you know,

when I like to buy your speeches, you are really positive. Here I'm 45 minutes. But I had to set

the stage. There's trouble out there, but you can do something about it. So that's what excites me

when things happen in a positive way. But we have to talk to young people. And if they're old,

like a few people I know, you talk to them as if they're young. And I think that's it. It's a

young idea. I mean, liberty is still a young idea. And I think that I find out. And the other

thing people should realize is they should have fun doing it. I think it's a lot of fun.

If you identify, would we have conferences? Small things like a Tucker's conference.

I will have a couple of people there. We talk about policies and things.

And it was wonderful. And they were always so positive. And I come away. They were making me

positive and understanding. So when I found out that telling the truth, even when it was

dire, they were they reacted in a positive way. And you know, I still am impressed. If I did that

for 45 or 50 minutes, it told them what a mess this is. It didn't give them 10 minutes of what

it could be like the 10 minute was always uplifting. And I could believe that, well, I was surprised.

That's the way I felt and believed. But I was always shocked that people came up with boy,

you are the most positive person I've ever heard talk because there is an answer to it to me as

the principles of liberty and decency. I think they answer most of our problems.

You practiced as an obstetrician for your career. How many babies do you think you delivered?

4,000. You know the answer. And don't hold me to the number. Maybe it was 3,842. I tried to,

somebody asked me that and I did it on my hand because I started off. I delivered a few babies when

I was an intern, a resident in the military. My medical practice, when I had my medical practice,

opened up in Lake Jackson, Texas, I was the only OB doctor around. And it was a whole county. So

I was pretty busy. So no, I delivered a lot of babies. And to me it was a wonderful thing. I

psychologically wasn't as good at chronic illnesses. I loved the joy of delivering a new life.

Wonderful. And some of those babies have got to be approaching retirement. Do you ever meet them?

All the time. And I said, no, you know, stop me on the street. And he'll look like somebody

he's 40 or 45 years old. And he'll tell me that he was, I delivered him. I said, no way.

It's wonderful. It was a joyful, joyful occupation. How old were you when you started buying gold?

I was interested in the monetary issue when I was probably 10 years old. And then later on,

I found out why I didn't have any gold coins. I've been interested.

Not exactly. There wasn't a date that I was always interested in the monetary issue. But when I

got really excited about it, was when Bretton Woods broke down, you know, the Bretton Woods system.

And that issue. And it was just fascinating with me because the monetary issue was there. And I

would look at all the literature. And it turned out that what I was reading was Austrian economics,

free market economics, and monetary policy. And to me, it's so exciting. It's because the other

economic systems are pretty sterile. And they're pretty boring, where Austrian economics takes

into the factor of human action. Of course, this means this is human action. Why do they do this?

Why do people love liberty? Why do they do this? Why do they? So I thought that was early on,

but probably I was growing gradually when I was in college because I always had two books.

When I was free, I'd breed Austrian economics. And it's still fascinating to me. So I think ideas

are crucial. And I think the first campaign I ran in was purely out of just the curiosity.

It was in 1974. And you know, the Republicans were doing very well in 1974. So I did it because

nobody else would run. There were only three Republicans in the Congress at the time.

So, but something happened. I tried to quit twice, but I kept going back, going back,

because it almost was almost like an indivisible calling. And when I had certain rules,

I wasn't going to get involved in those fights. And I wanted to share my understanding of how

the system should work. And actually, if it was something I grew to understand and like,

because other people liked it. You know, I said, you know, I'd ask people, why are you here?

You know, why are you asking me this? But people are interested in ideas. And I think they can see,

like I think I already told the story that you talk to people and you present it to them and

they'll say, oh, yeah, that's right. You said that. This is true. And they're looking for true.

Even though you say strong things, look, it's your fault. But this is the answer. And then they

would come across it. Well, it's a very positive philosophy. So I don't know. To me,

I enjoyed it because young people seem to wake up, you know, and young people. But even at the age,

I talk about young people, but I really, people have a young attitude. The young people are willing

to think long. So sometimes you get the most youngest ideas from public, and it's been thinking

this way. And they might be, they might be ruled like over 70 or something. And they would be very

positive. And so I ended up loving to do that. I love medicine. And I love the idea that I

had somebody opportunities because basically it's something that I think is very, very positive

imperfectly. It's not perfect. Obviously. And then what I found out that we'll never reach that.

It's a way to go in which direction man is not perfect. But I think people who believe in

liberty and believe that these basic principles of nonviolence, they can contribute a whole lot.

And it's very open and dead. You know, it's open to anybody who wants to think about that

complicated philosophy I just described. People should want to commit violence. And it fits into

foreign policy. And it fits into our own government. So as the years went on, I saw our own government

being the government being violent because I don't think we should have a 90% of what we have.

We should have a lot less government. But the amount of government, that's the force that we need.

But they always fail. They're failing now. The opportunity is there. People will listen to

common sense. And I think I think when it says, based with a moral principle, people understand

it. But they're hungry for the message. And I think it's delightful when people say, they'll come in

now. I just love it when someone will come up and say, you did this, you can finish this. And

this is what I've been doing. So there's an invisible group. There's a, you know, there's an,

you never know who you talked to. There's an invisible number of people out there that has,

has been influenced. I figure that I got the benefit because I was influenced by the people

who would be interested in talking about the issues. And I love doing that.

Is it strange to be vindicated on gold, for example? I remember people made fun of you.

I'll confess with shame that I made fun of you as a gold bug because you would never stop talking

about gold. And now it's so obvious that you were right. You were always right. And I doubt many

people have apologized to you. But well, how does it feel to be you and to see the world come

around to your conclusion? Well, I'd qualify your statement. I wish I could say, I'm always right.

No, hopefully I'm always going into right direction anyway. So it's, you know, I love dealing with

the issue of the ideas because they're more important than what you hear from the politicians.

Yeah. I was mixed in with a group of people that probably are almost opposite of libertarianism.

But there were people in our history that were very libertarian. Our founders had a libertarian

streak in them. But nobody, of course, will be perfect. But if people are moving in the right

direction, I've really loved talking to young people who get excited about this because now I see

people coming back and I'll meet them, you know, they don't claim I pay 22 or 25. I said,

when did you get started? He said, Oh, what I was 14. I read something you said. So young people,

young people were scientists. What time I had a brother and a son to come to my office,

the congressional office, after, after we, I had a campaign. And he, he was the one. Oh, I thought

she would do it. Be talking to him. No, it's he wants to talk to you. He's the one that converted me.

So the son that was 14 was excited by something I said. I look, well, this is magic. This is

something wonderful. And I think as, and it's probably a something that is powerful. But what about

if a person's doing that and saying bad things, what you need to do is get out of gun and shoot that

guy. If he did that to you, there's some of that too. So you have competition out there. But I,

I came across a lot of people and the young people here, you know, they, they tend to be more open

minded and are willing to open their minds. And that's what I think is exciting.

My last question, Congressman, is about your life and what you've learned. You've lived such a

long time and you've lived so successfully. You've made a difference. You've done things you

loved. You've got a close family. I mean, you've won. What advice would you give young people

about how to live their lives? I think, I think one, you had to be curious

and looking for the truth. Yes. And then you have to look for people that you can trust. And you

could find it because there's always literature. And you're looking for the truth. And I was always

excited about it. I remember one of the books I started when I got involved in economics was

human action. And that's not a little book, you know. So I don't think it's the same for everybody.

But I think young, young people, I think we have a, a natural curiosity. But the other,

the enemy knows that too. And that's why they're in there. That's why they're in our public

educational system. They want to influence too. But it's spite of all the power and money they

spend on trying to put us out of it completely. I think our numbers are growing. You know,

the people who really want to know the truth. And that excites me when that happens. And I believe

that it'll be a better world. But what you have to take on is no war. And they say, well,

what are they going to do? I have to go over there and say people. That's why we have a,

well, what do you think we have our troops at 126 countries for? Yeah, for,

for, find a truth and peace. So when, when they say, when they, when they see this, they,

they can't excited about it. But it's, it's, once if you get their attention, it's really

impressive to me how they might, it's always turned to switch on. You know, that, that, that to me,

mine, mine was more, mine wasn't a switch. Mine, mine was gradual. But I always became fascinated

with, with reading about history and economic policy. I loved it when I discovered what we

described as, you know, Austrian economics, which is the free market advice about

sound money and freedom of choice. And governments that are about 10% of what we have now.

That is, it, it is an economic problem and a political problem. But it really,

it's really a moral, moral problem. It has to be defined in and moral terms

that they shouldn't have a right to tell you what to do. But there's a rule you can't

hurt anybody. But there can, there's a morality that you don't hurt anybody else. And then you do what

you want. Yes. And the rule is simple. And I frequently, there would be a problem like right

dollar things in the, in the market and the political scene of why, why aren't you supporting the

here where you used to do that? And this sort of thing. But I think that, I think that I've always had a

rule that I offer it. They may take it, may not. If they want more, they'll ask for one of the people

that influenced me a lot about tone. What is your tone? Is it Leonard Reed? It Leonard Reed set

up a foundation after World War II called a foundation for economic education. I met him,

became friends with him. And he said, it's not a political problem. It's not a political

problem. It's an educational problem. And I bought into all that. But when I ran for office,

he was for me. You know, he was, he was a second tower of those, those, those people in

government that was doing nothing more than expanding control over, over the line. So I think that,

I think I sort of make a little bit mixed on the internet because a lot of trash is out there.

A lot of evil out there. But just, just, just, just that thing. You and I might not be talking

if we didn't have an internet. We wouldn't be. So, so I think, I think it's wonderful that, that we

have it. But I get a lot of questions about how, how you support a candidate. But no, I think,

I think we all know it because I believe strongly in the, in the system of nihilism and people,

people wanting to, you know, write bad laws and do bad things to us. At the same time,

people have an instinct for what liberty is all about people who tell the truth. And it's a contest

between bad and good, good and evil. And it's ultimately a personal choice. But you can be

influenced by other people too. And that's part, is the part that I really enjoy. It's talking to

people, what I think I'm talking to two people or three people or ten people. And I love to go

to the universities when I get 15 out. Where did the crowds come from? And now, now, I think,

it's just wonderful that, that people that I still could do this. But there's a lot of,

there's a encroachment on this. And I'm sure you're aware of it and the control of the first

amendment now is not an automatic. I'll tell you what, you can get into trouble with the

authoritarians who are still in the organization. They may be out there and our numbers may be

growing, but they still have guns against us. They have the government. And that's, that's where

the danger is. But fortunately, though, I think it's an ideal ideological argument that the way

we have to convince people, it's better to live in a free society than an authoritarian society.

Of course, that's true. And you can describe what a free society, yeah, that's what I believe in.

Yeah, I said, but you can, you cannot give any authority to do what you might want to do to the

government. Most people have succumbed and they give it to the government. They, they, they,

what they see as a moral life and they give all the responsibility. But I think when people,

you know, are badgered and run by an immoral government, that you want to do something about it.

I thought our government was running an immoral monetary system, a crooked, I mean, a real bad system.

All designed for war, Margaret, and all. But I didn't take a gun, but I did take it on as an obstacle

for me. And people needed to know about, you know, lying about money. And the reception was bigger

than I ever thought. You even said something that your minds have been changed. I'm sure I didn't

change your mind. Somebody else did that, that, that you saw a difference with Austrian economics

later on and monetary policy and all this. So I get excited when people say that, that, and that

they say they've changed their minds because they should, because liberty should be exciting.

And it's dangerous being in the transition, but it's the lack of liberty that causes all our wars.

It's my opinion. Do you have hope that, as you said, there are some people on both sides calling

for fascism, calling for communism, people feel insecure. Our old systems are going away. You

said that clearly. And everybody feels that. And so they're calling for essential power to calm

things down. That's the trend that I see. Do you have hope that we will retain our basic liberties

in the midst of this change? Well, you described the contest perfectly. And of course, I don't know

the answer, but I know that if we do nothing, I know the answer. It'll get worse. And then the

Hitler's are the Mussolini's. They, they will take over. And they're around. Matter of fact,

they're already in vain. They're now bold enough to run as communist and socialists and all this

stuff and the lack of liberty. But I still am an optimist because we are getting good stuff

on the internet. And there's a lot of people that, though, it's just like now, there are so many

people call they want to have an interview. And I say, well, what's the, here is somebody that

heard me talk 20 years ago. He has his own organization. It's the war is on, but it's ideological

for, for me. And I think that's wonderful. I think it's wonderful by talk show host, whether on TV

or on radio or whatever, because we have to change people's minds. And because just bulldozer

then and say, well, he's a bad guy. That's boycott. That's shoot here. That's put him in prison.

Let's get control of the Department of Justice. And we're going to do good. I mean, it's a

vicious, bad idea. So that we who believe in something have to present the cause for liberty.

And that should be a goal. It should be a very noble goal to struggle for liberty. Well,

what about our moral bearing? Well, that's going to be up to the individual, but they have a

better chance than right now with an authoritarian government. And when you look at the authoritarian,

let's just look at the regulations that we have stack of regulations that we have. And that's

not the right way. But I still think we're going in the right directions. Ideologically,

there's a lot more people that talk about the money issue, you know, it's things like that that,

you know, well, when I got interested in it, it was probably a little bit in the 50s.

Matter of fact, it was really early because, you know, I delivered milk and delivered papers

and added corns, I would save my dives and nickels back then. The times had silver in it.

Can you imagine? It's hard to imagine. So silver dollars back then, I remember we had silver dollars,

but no, no, it's all different than it's not in the money. So I think, no, that's the one thing.

I think people should realize that this whole thing I'm talking about you can tell them a little

bit excited. I think, I think it's an exciting idea. I can't think of anything more entertaining

and interesting and valuable is to talk about, describe and work for liberty. Because that's what,

that's where you can practice your liberty and practice your beliefs and you can learn forever.

You know, it is like, okay, I went through 12 grades now. I'm going to buy a pass. So that's it.

No, each thing isn't, you learn more from it. And I think, I think it's all available to us.

I'm very thankful for the liberties that we do have. And there are a lot of people we can reach.

If you'd have asked me this, even when I was in college, starting to think of a

to, to ever have talked to as many people as I have since then, I always say, you're,

you're dizzy. What have you been drinking? I'm not going to. So I started going to college and

you know, if there were times I'd get 15 people out on a college camp, I wanted to talk about freedom

and libertarianism. So it's one of those things that I was, you know, I really involved in.

And I think it's so important. And it should be fun. That's what I think. When I give a

talk and tell people for 45 minutes, how terrible it is and the young people. And you have to do

something about it. I said that, you know, I think everything you do, when we come to a foul,

I found a meeting, a conference that we have. We claim that, you know, you're supposed to have

fun here. Tell the bad stuff. And like I said, that one person heard all the bad stuff. He says,

after we scaled it, boy, you're really on a lot to us. But five or 10 minutes was talking to good

stuff. But I think that's great. So I think that, I think there's a lot available to us. I think,

I think the internet is a big bag. There's a lot of bad stuff out there. But there's a lot of good

stuff out there too. And I try to avoid the bad stuff. Good. I don't want to be influenced.

Congressman Ron Paul, the joy radiates off you. It always has. And it just makes you a very

unusual person. And grateful you took the time for this conversation. Thank you very, very much.

Thank you. I'd like to be with you. It is a delight. Thanks a lot.

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