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On this episode of coffee and a mic, Rory Duncan is a Rhodesian living in South Africa,

growing medicinal plants, making extracts, and selling them around the world.

He talks living through a civil war, raising kids in South Africa,

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Ladies and gentlemen, the mic is on. I welcome Rory Duncan.

Thanks for doing this. I'm glad that we had a reschedule and I think conversations

happen when they're meant to happen. And let me start off by saying, I've been talking about

this one of my previous shows because it's really just made me, it's just had me thinking ever since

and how I was introduced to you was from World Tanner. And what an impressive guy he is.

Oh, I'm Teddy World Tanner's mind is a beautiful thing. And his take on the world and where it's at,

he's also the gentle, mentally, positionally, he's fantastic. I'm always inspired by Will.

How did you guys connect? We connected, basically, of a Rhodesia, you know, because he's got,

I think he's the originator of the thought, you know, or this theme that runs through the internet

today, we're all redisions now. And, you know, I just, it just popped to my feet. And as a result, I,

I, you know, started replying to it and we became pals. And then I got, got on his, his

podcast and yeah, we've been friends for quite a while now. Yeah, our last conversation,

that's when your name came up. And I think, I don't know if I said it on the recorder or off the

recording. I said, you know, he mentioned you in your background. And I said, oh, I want to talk

to him. And so if you don't mind sharing with people that, you know, are not familiar with your work,

you know, who are you, worry? Okay. Oh, man.

No, I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. No, you can swear all you want,

worry. I don't care. You're good. I can, I can see you and I can, I can see you and I can hear you.

Okay, well, that's good. I think it's, it's just me being paranoid here. That's good.

Okay, well, if you can see me, that's good. I'll figure out how to, how to,

so we had a little bit of technical difficulties. And, you know, I,

what are you going to do? Roy, it is what it is in the state of the world. We wouldn't be having

this conversation if it wasn't for technology, but sometimes it has its ways of

screwing everything up. It's pretty amazing. But I spent too many years

in the, in the bush at not focusing on technology trends or what was really happening in the

world. I was, I was busy exploring the continent. So I missed out a decade or two on, on, on the

take things, you know, well, and especially, you know, but it's, it's, what's crazy now when you

look back, look where we're at today, from a global standpoint, right? I mean, you're on the other

side of the world from where I am, but the experience that you had, I don't want to get into that,

how valuable is that today versus, you know, what you've learned in that time and what you've

been able to pass on to your family, to me is so much more valuable than the technology, because

I don't know about you. I feel like we're not heading in a good place right now, at least in the

United States. Maybe you disagree with me, but I'd much rather have your skill set, Roy, I'd

much rather have your skill set right now, Roy, than what, you know, what, what I got. I'm just,

I'm a guy that asks you open any questions. Yeah, look, I mean, I, you know, I, it's, it's,

it's frightening. It's frightening. When you look at how they took Nicholas Maduro out of his

house and what Elon Musk is doing and what the Europeans want to do with digital ID and you know,

the problem is you're taking it, it's always used to control people instead of, you know,

benefit people. So, so that's a thing that, you know, big brothers, big brothers real, you know,

and, and us little minions have to make do with, with whatever sense of freedom we can, we can

generate, you know, and I feel pretty good about the future because it's the only future I've got.

And I, I'm not a, a book elliptic dude, although, you know, during the day I might have a couple

of the rants or, or get really pissed at a few things, but you know, you've got to keep your spirit

up if, if you want to keep going and I just find so much value in life and humanity, you know,

because what you see online and like I said earlier before we had our technical glitch,

you know, what I really love doing is fighting communists online. It's really great, you know,

but when I leave the farm and I go into town, I don't find many communists, you know,

but just find thousands of people trying to, try to make it through the day.

Well, I think that's why my conversation will come back to him for a second, resonated so much

because, you know, people had said the comments that I got from it, mostly positive,

but negative. We're like, well, what, you know, what good is, what good is it to make a living or

make money or come out ahead if there's going to be nothing left? It's like, okay, well,

if there's going to be nothing left, it doesn't matter anyway. If we're going to think like that

and it's going to be, you know, nuclear bombs and Mad Max and, and, you know, red dawn, if you

remember that movie, as it is growing up, it doesn't matter then.

Yeah, and Democrats and Republicans and communists.

So, you know, he, he provides, it's right, you know,

we, I'm wondering what, what happened there in my internet service was shut.

No, I'm good. Hey, yeah, no, what I was going to say is he provides a practical approach

to work within the system the best that you can. And, and I think that through all this,

and I've said this a few times, you know, people will come out ahead through economic challenges.

Well, I mean, I've been a fighter all my life, you know. I've had every kind of fight you can have.

I've had lots of gun fights. I've had legal fights. I've had physical fist fights. I've had

oppression. I've been kidnapped. I've been abducted. I've been tortured. I've made money and lost

money. You know, I've been married and divorced. And that's just, that's just literally, you've got

to take everything in your stride. You know, one of the things that I work in now is plant extracts,

making, taking things out of plants that help people and we're working on this amazing project

right now, where we have an extract out of the little plant that grows in the desert out here

where I live. And it has incredible properties that are so good for your brain, your serotonin,

and your neurotransmitism. It's an incredible thing. And the point I'm trying to make with that is

that so many people let so much get them down that they've got to live on pools every day to handle

it. And I often say that these tyrants that we have in Africa here, the dictatorship, let's say,

are in Zimbabwe, the sort of almost one party state we have in South Africa, 31 years of one

one party in the majority. And that's a trend across the world. You guys have only got two to

choose from. But I always say one of the biggest crimes against humanity is not so much genocide,

it's not so much the oppression of people or even the corruption and stealing of public money.

It's the oppression of the mind and the hopelessness that is drilled into people. So yeah,

it's a challenge being positive that positively must be. Otherwise, we've got no power to fix anything.

So before we had the technical difficulties, you were starting to talk about your background.

And yeah, I want to ask you one mind going into how you came to be.

Yeah, okay. Well, if you look at my ex profile, you'll see that I'm a revision by birth.

I come from a long line of white Africans that have been on this continent since the

1670s all the way to now and mixture of Dutch, European, English, Scottish, Irish.

And yeah, we've been out here because southern to Africa for centuries. And my great, great,

grandfather walked with Oxwagon, much like your great story, the great story of how the West

was won the wagon trials across the Midwest and into the West of America. And we had a very similar

situation in this part of the world. And so my great, great grandfather walked up with the

infamous famous, amazing, much talked about Cecil John Rhodes. And he was co-opted into Rhodes's

pioneer column of a couple of hundred guys that went up into what is today's involvement

and settled that and brought development there. And so my family is an original settler family

in what became Rebesia and is today Zimbabwe. And as a result of that, because of our

deep roots, my family and my uncles and and grandfathers were all quite pivotal people

in the construct of that country. My grandfather was a mining and he was a mining and would

decore it ever. Explorations guy, a conservationist. And yeah, it was quite something to know him

and to be mentored by him. His son and my uncle was the head of the National Parks. In other words,

the chief conservation officer of the entire country. And so yeah, we were into mining and

conservation, we were into farming and agriculture, exploration. And that just, yeah, was a bug that

basically is in my DNA. And so yeah, I lived through the civil war in Rebesia and then through

independence and Zimbabwe in a situation until about 2012, 2014 when my son and I left Zimbabwe

for finally and came to settle in South Africa with our goodness. We had citizenship as well.

I think you're the first, you are the first person I've ever spoken to that's actually lived

through a civil war. Can you describe what that's like day to day because people, and before you

answer that, people, people throw that term around here in the United States very loosely.

And I think that's a very, I don't think people understand what that means.

So I be curious, you know, what it's like? What was it like?

Yeah, I've often said on the action on people who don't know and will talk a lot about

the pros and cons of it. But if you really be in a war and I've been in two of them,

you don't want to do it again. Unless you're a big kid, you take the kid like some of my friends

where the mercenary boys who make a living from it, but yeah, who was a terrible thing? In Rebesia,

it was particularly difficult because it was the

joy and longing fight for the survival of a country that everyone's blood was so attached to.

You know, Black and white, we built that country from nothing. And so, to be so proud of it and

the achievements that were made there. I mean, it's incredible to think. Rebesia was 90 years in

existence, 90. And what was it going forever? So what a short window, just a blip on the

graph of time. But yeah, man, it was damn horrible death, you know, mayhem, terrorism. It wasn't

like the second world war, you know, trenches and mortars and tanks. This was terrible face of

non-reves, barbarism, you know, conscription, landmines, unbelievable measures that one

would have to take for security in order just to ensure that you live through a day.

And it went on for about 15 years, you know, so eventually people got used to it. And actually,

we became acclimatized, as you'd say, to make it acclimated or normalized. Normalized.

Yeah, it becomes normal, you know, and so eventually guns and bullets and death and tragedy and

supermarkets blowing up that people dying in landmines and your fathers and uncles and brothers

being sent to conscripted and sent out out of the front lines and then dying, you know, every day on

the news, we had a television in the 60s and 70s. We had Black and White TV, one TV channel,

and it was called the RBC Religion Broadcasting Corporation. And at night at, I think it was about

7 p.m., the main news would come on. And then every single day that it has the communique,

which is basically a report on the move to the public, to the citizens, it was the only place

that in radio that you can get an update. And every single day, they would say, you know,

the security forces regret to announce the death of, and then it would go through the day's

death count basically of soldiers and civilians. And, you know, you know, you tell everybody,

you know, has no idea until you've been there, but you take for granted so easily what you have

every day. You know, the first time, when the war ended, the first time I really saw, like,

how would I say, abundance, you know, was when I realized there wasn't just one type of toothpaste,

the low one type of coffee, or tea, you know, and, you know, we just, we were so limited,

few was rationed, you'd have to get a coupon and you'd queue for it and you'd leave your call

for two or three days to get a few gallons, you know. In order to travel town to town, you would

have to go in a military school. So, yeah, and a lot of terrorism, you know, so barbaric stuff,

that real brutal stuff, which, which there's no point in repeating, but you're talking about the

massacre of a group of nuns and priests at a rural mission, you're talking about diabolical things.

I have some books in here that they record that war and, you know, they would cut a man's lips

and ears off and make his wife cook and eat them if they thought that, you know, he was an

informer or they wanted something out of him. So, the brutality, the rape of murder was out of the

chance, you know, and, and so that, that happened, line is 65, line in 80. And then almost immediately

started the most impeccable war next door, which over a million people died in, probably the

year. You still hearing me, okay, can you see me? Yeah, one of my ears has got a small hole in it

in the other one. Oh, from an injury. So, this plan keeps popping up, but I'm good, Mike. Go for it. So, so

what is it like then when you're going through that and you're just walking off the door to go to

the store or, I mean, even in your local community, when there's a civil war going on, I'm trying,

and I'm asking you this because I'm trying to, like, as best I can have you paint a picture to

apply it to, like, say the area I live in, like, because we don't have that here. People are

more worried about their lattes and their yoga mats in Phoenix, where I'm at, versus, you know,

ever having to deal with any type of conflict. So that's why I'm being misgendered. That's why I'm,

you know, I'm, I'm asking this question because, you know, I'm, I'm curious.

So, so picture, picture this way. Your town, your town, or your city is relatively safe. Okay.

Occasionally, it might get rocketed or mortared on the outskirts. From time to time, there'll be a

huge attack on a, either a pre-set ball in the supermarket, or they might blow up the big

fuel depot, you know, in your industrial area of the town. But, but if you, if you look at a

day to day scenario, you're, you're going to work, when you're coming home, kids are going to school.

It's, it's relatively normal, though it's in this chaos, abundant chaos that's everywhere.

But the towns were very well protected, very well solidly, solidly protected by the

religion army and by the citizens themselves. The problem was that it was an agricultural,

isn't agricultural society, wasn't agricultural society. So most of the business focused was

all based around agriculture and agricultural support system. And so a lot of the population was

really based. And on top of that, we had lots and lots of small towns. And so the linkages

between those towns, so just to travel, that becomes a nightmare and a gauntlet that you need to run.

And, and then of course, let us say you drive 50-100 miles out of the city and you get to the

next little town. And from there now, you need to get out into the farming district. And that's

not asphalt roads. You know, now you're talking about little dirt tracks that going out into the

farms. And then, you know, it's landlines. And the national protection was on those main

trunk roads where you would have perhaps a helicopter gunnership. If it's a really big corn

voice shadowing the corn voice, you would have a pickup truck mounted double barrel browning

machine guns. Maybe three of those at the beginning of the middle in the end, you'd have some

troop carriers. But, you know, every sort of 50, 60, 70 miles, there would be a checkpoint,

the stoppoint. And that would be a 45 position. So it was wild. But eventually, you would end up

having to go home to your farm. And that's where it became really brutal because you pretty much

were alone. And so you had to 45 your vehicles. We used to drive these landmines and

improve vehicles with these bomb, you know, landmine, which called them landmine-proof vehicles.

The wheels would blow off and they would build a very thick one inch bomb-proof steel

that would deflect the blast away. And so if you hit a landmine, you know, you had about

an 80 percent chance of 70 percent chance of surviving. But maybe lose your hearing or a limb.

And then obviously, we had guns all the time. So, you know, when I was a little boy,

10, 11, 12 years old, I, often as a 12-year-old, would carry an easy, you know, my dad with a 762,

you know, is a lot. You know, that kind of thing. So lots of guns. We had heavily, heavily 45

homes. We would put these big metal mesh screens in front of bolted onto the outside of the

building over every wall to deflect RPG 7 rockets. And hand grenades being thrown into the room

when they attacked your homestead that break the window and serve a hand grenade in. So we had

hand grenades screens. We built walls in front of those with firing apertures. We had bombs in our

gardens, which were controlled from the master bedroom where you would pull levers. And we,

they were called Adams grenades. And essentially, it was a PVC black PVC tube filled with old bolts

and nuts and a whole lot of explosive cellar, a detonator with physical wires running. And we'd

hide those things in all the most likely hiding spots that terrorists would, would ambush us from.

And so, when we had broke loose all the hell broke loose because the first thing you did was just

pull those 10 or 20 levers. And it detonates, you know, 10 or 20 bombs with full filled with

shrapnel around. And then there was protocols, you know, as the little children and the woman,

the elderly would go into ordinarily a strong room. We made a lot of the bathrooms like that.

Take a mattress in there and lie down on the floor and cover themselves with a mattress to

stop debris and shrapnel hitting them. And then, yeah, it was the battle stations, you know. So,

just leaving the farm on a Monday morning at 5 to get to the town to go to the school. And you know,

I'm going to say my grandmother had a pistol. I had an easy just to go to shop at, you know,

at the, at the trading store in the nearest town. I was wild. It was crazy. And schools were attacked.

With the violence, dangerous time, my. Did you have your, did you take your Uzi to school?

No, but you go with it on the way to school. And then it stays in the car.

What were the teachers' arm then?

Depends where you were. So, there were some schools that were near the borders,

back on the eastern border of Verdeja, on the Mozambique. On the border with Mozambique,

there's a town which my ancestors, you know, largely built. It was called Amitali. It's now called

Monterey. And that had the school. It was right on the border with Mozambique. It's

much beautiful place. Tropical rain forest, beautiful, beautiful, magnificent place to be.

And that, there we used to get motor attacks on that school. And so they would then have

what they called a park to police anti-terrorist unit. That was the older guys, maybe guys like

yourself. Myself, when we did our military call-ups, then we would be on security details, maybe

a permanent machine gun nest outside one of those schools or at a farm in a particularly

difficult area. So wherever we could, they would be protection. But, you know, there's not really

enough people to go around to protect everybody. So you really had to look off to yourselves and

it was a wild time, man. You know, you've got to sleep at night and as a child in your bedroom.

Yeah, crazy time. You don't sleep easily. You know, you're listening to everything.

So it was very stressful and went on for a decade and a half.

How do you mentally manage that or how have you mentally managed that even, you know, we told

the story I'm assuming a thousand times. But, you know, and we, being older now, I mean, how is it,

how does it take a, how does it impact you and how do you how do you mentally manage it?

It's a very good question because I'm struggling quite a lot with that as I get older.

Without having any, nothing to prompt it, you know, I don't feel like my life is good right now.

You know, I'm happy. I'm well said. As you can see, I've got a, I've got a good time. I've got

a beautiful partner. I've got my family, my son with me. We've got a good business.

But I am suffering more and more from PTSD now, which, which is quite scary because it,

it hits me in a particularly unusual way, but I've never really, we don't talk about it. I mean,

I'm chilling. I'm not going to go to therapy. I'm just going to figure out what's going on in my head.

But yeah, I mean, it does come back to bite you. And I, I also, like I say,

I was involved in the most big civil war and that was, that was during this. I was older.

And I was involved at a very high level with one of the big kernels. So, you know,

and I've seen a lot of action in Zambia. You know, if you watch my show with Will Tanna, you know,

I did quite a bit of like man hunting. If you like running down groups of bandits and

you know, following smuggling networks and things like that. So, so how it affects you, man.

We had, we firstly, our society was, was built on a stoicism. We were in all stoics of the

highest order. So, there was very little, how would I say it without the failing people.

And there was very little, there was no suicidal empathy, right?

There was certainly no, oh, come here, baby. You know, if you, you know, a little bit of blood,

you know, an injury was looked at in terms of its actual severity. Everybody knows the pain of

of a, of a paper cut. And everybody in those days knew, you know, if you were wounded,

and you need any care. So, we just didn't have a very empathetic world. It was a war, you know.

And so, no time, no, we're, we're, we're, we're, let me interrupt you. No time for pussies,

basically, and crying. If there was, it was not gay. No, I mean, I mean, no time for pussies,

like for pussies, no time for wine, there was no time for it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. No,

absolutely, no time for pussies there. It was a, it was a time of madness, it was a time of death,

a time of survival. So, essentially, we were not, we were not wrapped in cotton wool, you know,

your mom would be carrying your little sister on her hip and have a shotgun in her right hand.

Your grandmother could run a 12-gauge all day, you know. She could reload a breath, a spin,

an MAG or an FN762. We were afraid with every kind of thing, including always being around

firearms and guns. And then, of course, every single day bombarded by the tragedy and the reality

of it. So, you know, then we didn't have time to think about it because every single day it was

an intense day. Fortunately, and I say this to, to, I don't want to paint the wrong picture,

living in Rhodesia, even so was wonderful. It was an amazing time, amazing place. Our schools

functioned, we still played sport against each other. We still went on holidays, you know. So,

it was special, but, but for the rural folk, well, it was, it was pretty crazy. And, and here,

how you deal with it is in that way, you know, your grandfather, your father, your uncles,

your brothers, your cousins, everyone is a stoic, everyone's involved. And, you know, you'd rather

get a clap on the ear if you cry than sympathy. So, you know, is that a good thing or bad thing,

well, I don't know, and I don't really care. It's something I don't want to argue about because

it's history. But, but your letter on it does come back, you know, little flashes and I find myself

joking, I get it, I get a jerk or I get like a kind of Christmas thought of something happening

because, you know, when you've seen people explode and blood and, and, and, and, and people

dismembered and, you know, ripped to shreds or shot with a machine, you know, these images don't

leave you and particularly if you've been involved where people die and you've had a hand in it.

And that is why probably a lot of guys who have really been in war, particularly these

special forces guys, they don't tend to talk much about it, you know, any particular detail

because to glorify this is to listen the severity of the seriousness of war, to disrespect those who

died. Yeah, I've heard that, you know, from, from special forces people that I've had on and

also, you know, in regards to some that are selling their stories, right? And, you know, I don't

need a name who, who some of those are that made into movies and, and what have you and,

uh, I'm not a special forces person, obviously, but, uh, I could see why some would not like

these stories being sold, right? And being put out there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't okay. I think,

I think we need to speak, um, my generation of people, um, I've never had a platform, you know,

um, we were redisions first, then we were white symbolians, and then we were disenfranchised and

fucked up by those, uh, communist, uh, zombie, effigarge, and, in post-independent

redision in some way that took our land, our farms, destroyed our families, and now in South Africa,

you know, they're doing it again. So, I believe it's time to talk, it's time to expose these things,

it's time to let the world know, and that's why I hop on these chats with you and Wolf Hunter

reveals what happened because it's an opportunity for people to know that, uh, there's real people

out here going through the stuff, you know, and, uh, yeah, and it's interesting, I'm sure.

So, so what, in terms of, uh, what you're doing, then, uh, because, you know, we talked about earlier,

how, you know, if you stay on the internet all day, it's, it's gloom and doom and nuclear bombs

coming in and magnetic pole, I still don't, I still don't get the whole solar flare magnetic pole

or shifting. I don't even follow any of that stuff with, like, to me, if that happens,

do it right where I'm at, because I don't want to live through any of that. I don't want to

live through that. If a nuclear, if the whole world's going to get nuked, I hope they put one right

where I live, because I don't really want to come out on the other end of that. I mean, would you,

would you want to, I mean, if South Africa is going to get nuked, do you want to live through that?

No, no, I mean, but I don't care. It's like, it's like, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of straw,

you know, kind of, I mean, you know, there are things that you can change in a fight

and the other things that you can't. I don't care if the world is round or for that mic, you know,

I just don't give a fuck about it. But I do like watching them hate each other.

My main thing is truth, you know, I'm not clever. I'm experienced. I'm not well educated,

but I've read 2000 books. I've got a position that I, that I've got a placement in this world.

I belong. I am me. I have my own ideas, you know, and I believe, I mean, just recently,

we've been dealing a lot with America because we're selling our products over there in California

now, and I'm really in all 50 states, and Greenland, actually. But yeah, we, we, we're dealing with it,

and it's quite strange to see, you know, Western, Western mind has been, has been politicized out

of a position. You're a shameful person if you're white, that's, that's already like, whoa,

you know, that's a bad start point. And I mean, if you're black, you stereotyped as a

looting crazy person anyway. And if you're a Hispanic, you can't like this guy. And, but I see

the Western world particularly, particularly in the Democratic West, you know, your New York's,

and your, your California's, and your Belgium's, and your Germany's, you know, people are, are

terrified of, of everything. They're terrified of the climate. They're terrified of Trump. They're

terrified of, of, of speaking out of misgenerating somebody. I mean, there's so many rules, so many

fucking things to think about that no longer you can, you know, one is in a shoe box because

that's your safe space, you know, and you live online. And I mean, I'm very lucky because I'm

in Africa and you're, you're somewhere in a, you know, beautiful place out west, I suppose.

And, you know, you, you, you must have access to the wilderness. And, and, and, and what you see

with your daily eyes might be beautiful, you know, and, and I rely on that and, and my community and

the people and my culture and the fact that I have a lot of people like me, like mind the people

around me, broadly around me. So we're very, very buoyed by that. And that helps you get through the

bay. And then, of course, you just got to temper that with, with how much time you spend online

fighting communist. When, when you come to the United States, do you, maybe I'm wrong by saying this,

I would literally laugh when you hear some of the, the problems that people might, you know,

in your interactions, like you don't know what bad is, like you have no idea. Although, I mean,

some of these major cities, I mean, they are just continuing to decay and rot like Chicago and

Los Angeles and Portland and Detroit and all of them, really. I mean, I live outside of Phoenix.

I mean, Cleveland, where I grew up, they've all deteriorated. You know, you look 10 years ago to

today and they're not better, they're worse. Some, some, some worse than others, but

do you just laugh when you come to states? Look, I mean, yeah, look, I'm going to be over there soon,

like I said to you in the preamble to this, when we were talking, I, my mom lives in the US and

she's not doing well. So I got to come there and there, then we've got to go up to California,

promote our, our products and stuff. So I'm excited about that very much. And man, I love America,

you know, it's, it's, it's a, it is amazing. You know, there are things there. Well, to, to your

question, yes, your problems and problems, what is the challenge for us and the challenge over

there is a completely different thing. I mean, literally, your biggest challenge is, is,

is which choice to make, you know, over, over, you know, the color of something, or your sexuality,

or, you know, that your plan is delayed. Here, we have, here we have brutality on a, on a proper

scale, you know, so, so yeah, I mean, I think we have a right every, how might every 17,

17 minutes, every 17 seconds, a woman gets wrecked in our country. And that's, that's 60 million

people. We have, we have 80, 50 minutes a day. We have a live terrorism, a lawlessness,

at a mass scale, we've got a government that is a pectocracy and a murderous want to be dictatorship.

So yeah, it pays in comparison, I think, indeed, the rest to, to us, whether,

I suppose, anyone's problem, you know, one man's meat is another man's poison, they might. So,

you know, whatever tears you down and strips you of your dignity is, is a real problem. And I

see that in the West, very much so. And it's interesting, you know, I come from

Rhodesia's in Barbouac of common two South Africa, which is a way more modern country.

South Africa is awesome. I encourage you to visit and, and your listeners, your viewers to,

to visit, it's amazing. Fly direct from New York to Cape Town. And you will have the time of

your life. And you've got about a 99.9% chance of making it out. It's pretty amazing.

For the most part, and in this area is that you just cannot go to. But, but America is amazing to,

you know, the hard work that goes into that place, the technology, the scale of it. I mean,

when you come from there, you just can't imagine it. But life for us, I visited

NASA at the Kennedy Space Center. I think it is in Florida. I blew my mind, you know,

the scale and the, the things that Americans do, just your aircraft carriers, you know,

speaking of Iran. I mean, what America is capable of, you know, and in the right hands,

and with the right, the right momentum, America could literally now change the world, you know.

And some people believe Trump is trying to do that. Do you, do you have a favorite place in the

United States that you like, that you love to visit? Well, I tell you, I've not traveled too much,

but I've seen, I've seen quite a bit of the south, so I've been in New York and I've been here

Florida and I've been down Alabama and Louisiana. I've been up in the Midwest a bit, Kansas and

Missouri, I've been in Tennessee, I've been to the Ozarks. And I love America just driving through

it, just seeing it there. One thing I can tell you that you guys don't know is that your wildlife

is amazing. Just in terms of the density of it, my, like I said, my mom lives in Florida in Orlando,

one of the biggest metropolises on earth and the faucets expanding in terms of population.

And she's got raccoons and possums and armadillos running about and you look from the highway

and there's lakes with alligators in it. And you know, everybody's always fishing and shooting and carrying on.

And so your conservation ethic is quite unbelievable. Whereas here, we've nearly killed all of our

rhinoceros like, you know, fuck man, because the Chinese use their horns, you know, as some sort of

strange medicine and they kill our pangolins or armadillos. So here, things are getting wiped out,

rivers are becoming totally poisoned. This, you know, my family farm in Zimbabwe is from a place

that actually my family found it. It's called Penhalon. And there we had a magnificent farm called

Somafield. And today, it is an open-cost Chinese gold mine. And it's boring, also like a

new cream to the ribbons. Fish populations are dying. And large, large areas are being

deforested. The marble goes tobacco. It's the biggest agricultural problem. Not food,

aren't you? Tobacco. And it was self-sufficient food, but tobacco is the biggest crop. But

listen to this. In the redision times and earlys and low wind times, we had, we have huge coal mines

in the rest of the country. We had that completely functional railway network across the entire

country. And tobacco was also a major crop back there. In one of the cuiris tobacco, so you

can't just take the leaf and put it in a cigarette. You've got to cure it with heat and moisture

and get the leaf to the right moisture content. Cure it and then it goes into bales and it's

ocean and then it goes to the, this one goes around the world. But the curing lawns, as we've

been called in the curing system, was a coal-fired system. And so the trying ends with being the

coal and trucks were being the coal to the farms. And the farmer would use the coal to bear

to get here tobacco. The marble today grows more tobacco than we did during the redision,

but they use virgin forest for 30,000 hectares of virgin as far as every single year disappear

just to cure tobacco. So the environmental challenges that we face in the structural decay

is unbelievable. And so going to America to kind of get back on track is very refreshing,

even though it too is in decay, but it's still massively inspirational for us.

Yeah, I went on a mini road trip last year and like I told you, I live in Arizona and I grew

up in Ohio, but I went down to North Carolina through West Virginia, North Carolina, upstate New

York, part of Tennessee. And it made me realize what you said really connected because you don't get

that flying from place to place. But when you get in the car and you drive, you see, like,

I only saw a very, very tiny sliver, but United States, it's a big country, man. Like,

and there is a lot of space. A lot of space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's awesome. And I think what leads nicely in the conversation is that

your government is bringing people like me over there as refugees right now.

Are you thinking about, would you relocate here?

We're going off to have had a very, very good fight.

And it's that my very last, you know, proposition because this, this home of ours is,

is worth building and staying in. And it's, you know, it's so, it's so weird that, I mean, like,

South Africa is, as old as America. You know, 16, 52 hour people came here.

You know, it's a long, long time ago. And so the generation of the generation buried in the

soil of the home. The, the home that I sit in here is, it used to be a workers cottage.

And it's beautifully renovated now. We've got five of them along this river called the Kamanasi,

which is a Koi San word, the mountains of water, the Kamanasi river. And just across the river

and in front of me here is this nature park, if you like, it's not a, it's just wilderness.

But we've got letters here. We have links, you know, we've got, we've got, you know, a lot

of cobras, snakes, and it's great. We've got otters and wild pigs and, and ant bears and,

and jackals, you know, and you coyotes. And I'm surrounded by farmers,

hardworking farmers, man. They grow onion seed and raise ostriches for meat and dairy and beef

flippin' sheep and this, butcheries and abitwars and this, this, all manner of,

produce and production. An ancient family, families that have been living on the same farm for,

for 10, 11 generations. And so no, I don't go to America. But, but yeah, if it becomes intolerable,

it's a very, very nice landing pad. And also people don't have generally what I have

and access to it. So, you know, people from other parts of this country are really in dire

situations. And a lot of them have been through incredible trauma, being attacked,

made in farm, made this torture hijacked. It's very common here, like to get caught in the

crossfire of a big armed robbery or to be at the traffic lights that haven't gone in your face or to

be pulled off the road and attacked or to be raped. You know, it made a, like I say, like it's,

one of the very most dangerous, but it's more dangerous than most wars are in general.

Yeah. So, so the people Trump is just if five in giving those people that needed a genuine

way out of what is fucking traumatic. The, the, I got two questions for you.

One, I'm curious, you know, as, as a parent, you know, raising your kids in this world,

is it to the point where you're like almost like a helicopter parent or, you know, like what's the

line of like they've got to grow up and live their lives too, but you also want to be the protector.

I'm not a parent. So, I, you know, I have no understanding of this. But how do you, how do you do

that raising a, raising kids in, in an environment like that?

So, this place is a very staunch placement, you know, like I don't know if you've ever seen the

game of rugby. Went to a few parties in college. Some of the, some of the best parties I ever went to.

I was so, always so glad I didn't play what I, what I saw the rookies have to go through.

or fricking beer out of a boot, friggin beer out of a boot, people spit in the boot. Oh.

Yeah, and it's, it's a, it's really violent. uh, and it's a beautiful game. And uh, self advocate is the

raining real champion rugby nation? And not only that, the world cup which only happens once,

three, four years like the soccer World Cup. We've won it twice in a row now. Maybe the

internet doesn't like what we're talking about today, Rory. There's keep trying to kill

our signal here. Yeah, if you've got my Q and on particles going there, the evil villains

of the superhero movie are trying to take us down because you know, Rory, we're, if anybody

that knows me, I've been saying this and then people are starting to get pissed, but I

don't even care because there are people out there that think this is a superhero movie.

And my response to that is this is not a superhero movie we're living in. I don't even watch

those anymore. I used to like those movies, but because like I keep saying it now, I'm

so turned off by those movies because it's like, you know, maybe they were doing it on purpose

to condition us, putting these things out as much as they were. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

man, look at, look at this way. I don't watch movies. You know, I got pissed off when they

stop making waste ends. You know, then we watch some series, you know, Game of Thrones,

Wow, and dragons flying. You know, no, I mean, the world is very affected by that, but

not it's not a superhero movie. It's a superhero movie, but it's not a superhero movie.

It's real. And what we were saying is, it's hardly raised kids out here. Well, I mean,

you raised them because you got them and you have to, but it's an amazing country. So,

the education system, if it's private, is excellent. The medical system, if it's private

and you pay for it, it's excellent. Three companies, if it's private, if you rely on the

state for anything, you're in real, real trouble. And the majority of people have to rely

on the state. And for them, this is not a place to be poor. It's not a place to be struggling.

It's not a place that you don't have your medical insurance and you don't have your private

security and speed dial or you don't have your cameras. You don't have your guns and you,

you know, but be that as if my, in many, many places in this country, it's a fantastic

place to stay. Our schools are amazing. So, it's a great place to raise kids. And a lot

of us believe that it's the best place to raise your kid because, you know, it's your

Omar and your upper, it's your granny and your granddad. It's your uncles and aunts and

extended family and the history of your life. And, and people who don't have that really

are poor, you know, in the cultural sense. And so, the Afrikanas in South Africa are represented

so well by several really good organizations. And my friend Ernst Gonzalo, from Afri

Forum and Jacques Bruderik and these amazing people, you know, 300,000 members in the social

grouping, they really are well, well looked after, they're building universities, they're

building trade colleges. They've got, I think we've got 15 or 16,000 guys signed up in our

security networks. We have incredible communication networks. Everybody's looking out for us for

each other, you know. So, it's not a bad place to live. I would rather live here than there

right now. And it's challenging as it is, Mike. I'm, I'm gonna stay. You know, you know, the last

question I have for you, for the internet gods, take us down again is, you know, if you'd like,

talk a little, you know, a couple, talk as much as you'd like about your, your company and what

you're doing and, you know, the solutions that you're providing for people. Yeah, okay, thank you.

Well, I mean, you know, as tough as life as being and as difficult as experiences that we've

been throughout here, you've got to live every day in the place that you are and there's a lot of

poverty in this part of the world, you know, and a lot of suffering and a lot of hunger and a lot

of kids just with no future because we have this kleptomaniac communist government in lockstep

with the European Union. It's just insanity. You know, they won't let Stalin come to our country.

Elon Musk is the richest man in the world who's from here, man. You know, and, and they will not let

Stalin into this country. They hate Elon Musk. They hate Donald Trump. They hate anything that has to

do with, with anything that isn't part of this leftist process, you know, that's going on around

the world. And it's, it's a tough, it's a tough thing to live under. If you're poor and there's a

lot of poverty in people getting poorer and poorer and poorer because just like the West, they're

destroying the economies, they're deindustrializing, you know, the nation. And so unemployment is just

off the charts. Schools can no longer really teach people anything of value. And now 30 percent

is a pass, is a pass tomorrow in this country. If you get 30 percent, you pass, man. So people are

becoming less educated, less capable. And 20 million of the 60 million people in this country

are on social grounds paid for by the 7 million remaining taxpayers is 11 percent of the country

pays tax due. So, so therefore, people like me who have a business and work hard are very much

focused on creating jobs and trying to grow our business because it is through us and our

companies and private enterprise and hard work that people have jobs. And here when you employ

somebody, you, you employ, you support a minimum, a minimum of five to seven people per person.

So if I have 10 employees, I'm looking off to 70, you know, and so I'm working very closely

with community leaders here, where I live is the very southern tip of Africa in what is called

the Cape of Good Hope. It is now a province called the Western Cape, but it was the Cape of Good Hope

of old. And here the people are a mixture of Brewer descendants, of Frecona descendants,

and the original Koi and Assan people. And so we have white folks like me and our culture,

which is the English Anglo of Frecona culture. And then we have the Koi and Assan, some of the most

old cultures on earth. And that is what we frequently deal with. And so what I've specialized in

the last years is looking at medicinal plants that were ancient traditional knowledge. So ancient

traditional plant medicines, peas, edibles, fruits, whatever it might be. And then we look deeper

into the science of those things and then do the science on them and figure out what components

of these plants actually work and how do they work and are they actually medicinal or is it

mythology and folklore. And you'll be amazing how many antioxidants and incredible things that

fight skin cancer and mental depression and all of these things are in there. And so yeah,

I've got what it is called HP Biotech is my company. It's a biotech company. And we work on a higher

end of making extracts and concentrates of these plants and then formulating products with them

cooperating with industry to form new beverages, new medicines, new supplements and things

like that. And I work hand-in-hand with a beautiful old man called Wampoon Muni. He's the chief of

the Atakuakoi of Kanalant. It's an ancient tribe of Koi people and me and him and his team

work closely together so that we have the cross-cultural biocultural protocols all in place

that will link it back to the ancient medicines and we use that in our promotions

of the season. So we really hope that we can grow the thing because we have hopes to

to invest into education and community safety. We have our feeding centers, you know,

a friend of mine runs a feeding center up the way feeding 500 kids a day Mike. You know,

we've got a safe house there for abuse little girls. He's always 8, 10, 20 little girls in there.

You know children disappear here, human trafficking. Here is a real thing. Body parts,

human trafficking, slave networks, you know, it's it's all a go. And so yeah, that's what I'm doing

and my purpose is not only money. It is the greater community and what I can invest back into

my town and my district and the people around me to make it a bit of place like.

Where could people find your worry?

Really, I'm just on X at these days and you can see me on Facebook there occasionally.

I'm Rory Duncan 1966 on X and otherwise I'm Rory Graham Duncan on Facebook and you can

interact with me there and I'd prefer to be on X really for a guest. I just have a lot of old

friends that that that are on Facebook. So I'm going there occasionally. That's about it.

And then a few podcasts, you know, and things like with little talent and some of the local guys

allow you which has been fantastic and really, really happy to have had time with you, man.

Me too. And you know, I'd love to have you back on and I mean, I can sit here and talk to you

for three hours. Just, you know, thank you for this and I look forward to our next conversation.

So, and if you're coming through Arizona on your trip and if you're coming through Arizona on your

tour, you know, ping me and the meet up. I've got to come out that way. I'm definitely going to see

women called one genie and joy. A wonderful professor of history and she's in one of these great

societies in the south. And she's fighting that historical battle out there. Will Tanna,

there's yourself. So there would be great. It's never been to Arizona. So I'd love that. But

look, we've just scratched the surface here, Mike. There's a lot, man. You know, if people

are already interested, you just look me up, we're in contact. So whenever you want to have a

gaffer, call me and I'll jump on with you. Appreciate it, Mike Drop.

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