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19:51a su lugar, no bind חeyarθη thinks y empie si tambien eso es si es uno de tristes en este país Look at the previous history, you know, they, they will probably say it's for the Cruiserweight title. They may even say the Zufa Cruiserweight title, although I don't even know if McAllian, who was not signed to Zufa, my knowledge, if he's even eligible to win the Zufa title. So that's a whole thing with Don Quing. And who he signed with and you'll hear, here's another tease, you'll hear Dana White address that situation in just a few minutes when we played on the podcast. Oh, I'm sorry briefly. Also, Don Quing sent a season to this letter a couple days ago, a stop. He says he has a contract with McAllian and they, that he is not allowed to enter into this agreement. The legal, I wrote his whole story about it yesterday. People can go on the substack and take a look at it. But the bottom line is the Zufa people believe they're on firm ground. They're not budging. They're not canceling this fight. No one McAllian says, I have an addendum of my contract. I know what it is says. And

20:51you know, I can't help what Don Quing does. I made a mistake signing with Don Quing is what he said. He said it's 10 times worse than I thought it would be. Right. All due respect to Don Quing. Why anybody would sign with him today, yesterday, last year, last month, five years ago, I have no idea. He brings absolutely nothing to the table anymore, unfortunately. And there we go. He's 95 and still litigious. But this fight's going to happen. And people really need to know the most. Is a good matchup. That's what we fucking care about. And what do you think ultimately happens here? Opataya, Opataya, maybe even by late stoppage. I think Opataya just, you know, I think Opataya malls and wins the fight. All right. Would be an upset if McAllian wins. And like I said, it's fascinating. He's not signed to a Zufa boxing deal. Ryan Garcia, as you've mentioned, is an Oscar De La Hoya for now. The love, hate their goal fighter. If if Zufa having perhaps an option on, on, on, on, on McKellin would not surprise me. Okay. Zufa will have nothing going forward with, with Ryan. Turkey

21:53may still have Turkey. I'll shake may still have another fight involving of him. I'm not sure about that. But, you know, we'll see. Well, you said to us previously that regardless of the outcome of this that Garcia's next fight, if not his next two fights, right have to be on DeZone because they agreed that is my out of the way. And he has a deal with Golden Boy and DeZone and let this fight be on Paramount plus. Right. And you know, the whole, the whole situation between Golden Boy and, and Zufa for this particular event, you know, they've been non existent in this promotion Oscar De La Hoya has not been heard from for days and days and, you know, the rest of his staff not around. They're not doing anything to publicize the fight. You know, Oscar hasn't made any videos. He wasn't at the press conference to my knowledge. He was not at the, at the media day, the other day, haven't seen or heard anything from him. I did, you know, people can hear in a few minutes. I'm be talking to Dana White about that whole scenario. But he is the promoter and Golden Boy is getting paid and they've got a fight on the undercard. All right. Two other fights. Mark Magsio, Andres Cortez, Lightweights and then also a preliminary fight with

22:58Jose Ramirez and Alexis Rocha, another Golden Boy fighter as well in a Walter White fight. What about these two fights that are also on a card? Right. And just, it's not at the type of fight we're going to spend time previewing, but they added also a heavyweight fight as the opener for the main card between their Zufa heavyweight, a Dimezian Venuda who is a good prospect young kid in an eight rounder. But in terms of the Magsio, Andres Cortez, if I look, these are two guys who are now with Zufa. They're both good fighters. They bring a little bit of different things to the table. Magsio is known as a former WBC featherweight champion. He's a Filipino. It's, you know, been packed by Manny Pac-El for a long time over the years. And court, you know, he's more of a legada come forward and try to mix it up. And Cortez, who was long time with TopRank, Magsio had previously been with PBC Cortez, who was top ranking contract was up. He signed with Zufa really outstanding boxer. He's 25 and 0. These are two guys that are still, you know, not old fighters. Magsio was only 30 years old. Cortez is 29. This is like the classic boxer versus brawler kind

24:01of fight. Cortez being the boxer, Magsio being the brawler. As I was once told many years ago by the great philosopher Floyd Mayweather skills pay the bills. And that would be if you're looking at this fight in that manner, it would probably be Cortez with the skills. But it's a good matchup. I mean, you know, I don't know how it's going to be when the bell rings, but you know what, these are two modified contender types. Two guys who are experienced, exio has been a world champion. He has moved up. Cortez has moved up. They're fighting a lightweight. They have been mainly in their careers of fought slightly lower either in the featherweight or the junior lightweight division. But, you know, good matchup and the guy that is the winner, you know, deserves to be, you know, the top handful of guys rated in the lightweight division. And the other fight you mentioned, this is the Golden Boy fight that they had on this card as part of the agreement to do this deal is Jose Ramirez against Alexa's Rocha. This fight has completely been ignored by the promotion, which is really ashamed because while I'm not going to tell you TJ that this is like a humongous fight. This is a very good matchup. You know, it wasn't that

25:04long ago. This could probably have headline like at the zone kind of Golden Boy card for sure. But it's also kind of like a shit or get off the pot and go home for the loser. I bet fight. I mean, Ramirez was the top junior welterweight in the sport for, you know, a little bit. He had unified two of the titles. He obviously lost, you know, in the, in the unification when Josh Taylor defeated him in a very narrow decision to become the undisputed champion. He's kind of struggled since then. He's now at welterweight. And look, he is coming off. You, what we talked about how bad Ryan Garcia looked in that New York, New York Times Square card. Yep. And he lost a really Ramirez. Well, if anybody on that card looked worse than Ryan Garcia, it was Jose Ramirez. I mean, he took a loss to Devon Haney in a decision where, you know, you want to talk about sleep blocking. I mean, he was to just miserably awful that particular. Well, we've talked previously how much is his heart still in it? He got married, right? And all of that. And for decided to forego a title shot because he was getting married. And I thought he was like semi retired at one point. Yeah, I mean, this is this is I think,

26:06you know, if he doesn't win this, he probably does retire. It's kind of like the last varieties made good monies, got some great accomplishments. Oh, by the way, outside the ring, Jose Ramirez is a class person, a wonderful guy, a charitable guy, you know, has worked and done tons of stuff for his community, which I have detailed throughout his career. Alexis Rocha is more of a natural at that way class. He is a guy who did not fight it all in 2025 for a variety of reasons, but he did come off of a fight in March, that he won, whereas Ramirez had him fought since that time Square Card. That was, you know, a wild back. That was May of last year. On the one hand, Rocha did have a fight since on the other hand, though, we beat, you know, the very, very, very, very long theta, Joseph Diaz Jr. this past March. So this is the kind of, this is like, we're going to fight for our careers, kind of fight. The guy that's going to win is absolutely going to be able to move forward and have some other significant fight. The guy that loses, you're kind of like, especially if it's Ramirez, you know, is probably the end of the road, at least not that saying they're going to retire, but in terms of like these types of opportunities. And also, as we always talk about, most importantly, when the bell rings do, this should be a very

27:10solid fight in my mind. Okay, so that is the, the Zufo Boxing Paramount Plus Card that will be on Saturday night, Dana White coming up in a couple moments. You do want to make mention there's a Friday night pro box card in Oceanside, California, where Giovanni Santiano and Abbas Baru are fighting a junior middleweight main event. And there's also an intriguing undercard fight there as well. So what do we have Friday night before we ever get to the big show on Saturday and Vegas? Yeah, it's a pro box card. And you know, when they started their, their $5 a month thing, they promised some higher level main events. This is, I'm not saying this is some huge fight, but this is a very solid matchup between, you know, two guys that have been, you know, true professionals, if you will. San, they're, they're both top rank fighters, by the way, and but they're fighting on a, on a pro box card that's going to take place in Oceanside, California, or in the San Diego area. It's San Tion's second fight in the junior middleweight division. Abbas Baru is a former WBA title holder in that way class. So there, there's something at stake here, both these guys with a victory like this,

28:13not it, not it's not a formal title eliminated, if you will, but the guy that's the winner is certainly going to put himself in a good position in a weight class, by the way, where there's certainly going to be some business going on as, as you know, look, Baru is coming off of that loss earlier this year. He defended the title in a unification. He went to Puerto Rico and his first defense, you know, does had no problem going on the road and taking a real fight in that defense. This was back in the, in late January, he lost a decision to Zander's eyes in Puerto Rico's anger was able to unify the titles. Then later, of course, Losto was about to, uh, Joran Boutennis. So Baru is coming off of that loss back in the ring and Santheon, you know, he's, he's, he's won three fights in a row and that is, that is since he got absolutely smashed by Brian Norman in a fight that at the time was like, people were kind of shocked, you know, Brian Norman, I think was actually the slight underdog in that fight and he went to Santheon's home area and he literally just, you know, he bloodied him up, he cut him up and stopped him in round 10. That was an interim title fight back in 2024. So Santheon is back, you know, he's back in

29:18business. He's at a heavier weight and this is like a, I mean, this is like a 50-50ish kind of fight to me. Okay. And Luis Alberto Lopez in a junior lightweight fight is also on this card in California. Yeah. So he's a recent pro box. He recently signed with pro box. He's, you know, he's not taken on a top opponent, but he's facing a Daniel Lugo, a fellow Mexican 28-4-1 and it's a 10-rounder, but Lugo Lopez is going to be his third fight since he got, I mean, anybody that saw this will remember this. It was a knockout of the year candidate in 2024. When he lost the featherweight belt that he held to Angelo Leo in a spectacular knockout, he ended up in that fight. Lugo Lopez did what was termed a minor brain bleed. People were very concerned about his future. I guess he's okay. He's had three fights since, although not top level fights in Mexico. You know, he's won those fights, you know, most of them had been like three, those have been like inside three rounds like quick knockouts. Now we're going to see what he can do. They're going to try to bring him back. You know, he's fighting in this weight class now.

30:19He always gives value for money, whether he's in with a top guy or a nobody, you know, he's good to see, good to watch. And that's the co-feature on this card. Yeah. Leo's knockout was a boom, goes the dynamite. Oh, I realized that joke, joke around with the big left hand. And so there you go, that's Friday night again through pro box. And as you mentioned, they're modest little pay-per-view subscription for these higher level cards that they want to do. And that leads us to your conversation that you had on Wednesday. As we released this Thursday and Friday, you grabbed Dana White as all the media stuff was starting to crank up. You grabbed him one on one in treating stuff here, folks. He's going to talk a lot about the Garcia bin fight the car, Jial Pataya on it. They'll don King's situation with trying to stop Noel McAleon from fighting on the card. And then you get into some other parts of the business aspect of what they're doing in the future, etc. So let's hear big Dan with Dana White right now. Well, it is my distinct pleasure to welcome to the podcast this week. It is done other than the Zufo Boxing Boss Man. Dana White,

31:20Dana, you are promoting your first major fight in terms of Paramount Plus and Boxing. It's on Saturday night. You'll have the WBC Welfare Weight Championship fight between the champion Ryan Garcia. He is making his first offense against Connor Ben live on Paramount Plus. Not pay-per-view, I'll say. At the team mobile arena in Las Vegas, welcome to the show. Thank you very much for doing this, Dana. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. All right, let's get into this. You are nine months into Zufo Boxing actively promoting cards. You did, of course, the Canelo Crawford one, but that was right before the Paramount stuff started. And I've heard your press conferences numerous times. After your Paramount Plus events saying, judge us after one year, we're now three-quarters of the earth through. So I can reserve judgment for the year, but I'd like to hear just your brief assessment so far of the product. Yeah, listen, I'm really happy where we're at. I think that I am two years ahead of where I thought I would be, you know, this far into it. And it's actually

32:21been fun for me. There were times when I would talk to boxing guys and I would say, what the hell am I doing? Am I out of my mind? Why am I even considering this? But I'm actually having a blast. So and I'm looking forward to this weekend, you know, I love things like I will be in Arizona for Noche UFC for a sold-out event that I will jump on the plane and fly to Las Vegas for my sold-out boxing event. You know, two fights the same night and Paramount Plus is so good. Like you said, no pay-per-view. You go right from UFC Noche, I'm Paramount Plus, right into the boxing event. You don't even have to change the channel. You mentioned how much fun you're having now with your boxing endeavors. Which is more fun for you? Is it boxing? Because it's still kind of new-ish in terms of the promotional game? Or is it so UFC? Which I guess is, you know, that's been the cornerstone of your career for so many years. Yeah, well, it's all fun. Obviously, there's a lot of things that I need to focus on and build and do with the sport of boxing. Yet, you know, while still

33:26trying to figure out, you know, how do I continue to break records and do the things that I do with the UFC? I love the challenge of all of it in different ways. Let us talk a little bit about the fight you have in front of you. Tremendous matchup between Garcy and Ben, easily your biggest fight so far in terms of the Paramount Plus deal. Can you just give me your brief thoughts on the matchup? And getting to the point now where Zufa has a genuinely big fight, I mean, you've done obviously a bunch of cards. You've had some tremendous fights. Maybe some that haven't been the greatest, but this is certainly profile wise, easily the biggest one. And like we were talking about before in terms of non-paper view, certainly if it wasn't on Paramount Plus, it would have been absolutely a paper view. Yeah, I mean, Jaya Pataya is the co-man of Penn, you know what I mean? It's a great card and I was telling Ryan Garcia the other day that when we put the commercial up on Paramount Plus, it did 17.7 million views in a week. So there's tons of buzz and hype and energy around this fight.

34:28I love the fact that the co-man and main event, we get the showcase all four of these great fires. And then this is one of those cards that I've been talking about for years, like what we do with UFC from the first fight of the night. You know, all the matchmaking is great. Every fight means something. Every guy is someone. Yeah, I'll give you that. I mean, you do have an excellent undercard. We'll get to the Opataya fight, of course, but you also have guys like Magsayo and, you know, it's been an exciting fighter for a long time in a former World Champion. So yeah, you definitely have some other stuff, let's say, as you say to check out, but in terms of the main event with Ryan against Conor Ben, you were saying about how you had all those views for that commercial. I wonder from the business side of things, what would be considered a success for Zufan or Paramount Plus in terms of the number of people that tune in or that subscribe because of

35:28this fight? We're all going to be asking about the numbers. Come on, that you know that. Yeah, yeah. You're looking for subs and obviously viewers. And, you know, I don't focus on that as much as what we want to do is put on the best fight that you could possibly put on. What I want to do is build the trust with the boxing fans that I have with the UFC universe, right? I can put a card on sale and tickets will start to sell before you people even know who the main event is because they know I'm going to deliver. That's what the confidence that I want to build with the boxing fans, including, you know, not just the people who stay home on a Saturday night and waste a Saturday night on an event, but the people who fly their bike tickets, I want them to have an incredible experience at a live boxing event because I went to one a few years ago, and I could

36:29tell you this, it was not a good experience. And my fun, it was his first time going, he's like, yeah, I don't ever want to come to one of these again. Hopefully, hopefully you can get people to change that viewpoint for sure. When you are so heavily involved, like you said, promoting, trying to get the buzz out there, get the hype out there, do a great job for your partner and Paramount Plus and bring eyeballs to their platform and subscriptions to their platform. And then you show up on Las Vegas for the beginning of Fight Week. And the star of the show, Ryan Garcia, the champion going into this fight, the guy with, you know, the certainly more well-known in America than Connor Ben, skips the big photo op first photo op of the week on Tuesday. Supposedly, having trouble with his weight, he was in the gym I am told, Connor Ben showed up and took pictures and all that, was it a little disappointing that that your star of the show didn't show up for the first photo op for this big fight week? Well, he's been good as far as letting us get content and other things. I mean, this is the business for him. We're dealing with lots of different

37:30personalities and, you know, it's no different than things we dealt with for the UFC too. And in terms of, ladies and gentlemen, this is our first rodeo with this type of stuff. Oh, listen, I believe me. I know that I was only thinking of the standpoint that in terms of your boxing endeavors, your first big one for Paramount Plus and it's sort of kind of what I would think would be disappointing that the top guy didn't show up for the first face-off. That's all. Yeah, these guys have been good. You know, no promotion leading up to it is ever going to go absolutely perfect, but these guys have been great. The pre-mumbers we're seeing, you know, just off the commercial alone have obviously been good. Paramount is happy and excited, so we're good. Dana, talk to me a little bit about your, because you're not the promoter of Ryan Garcia. Obviously you are for this particular fight, but the guy that you signed that Zufa targeted and went after was Connor Ben. You got him for the one fight against Regis Progrie that took place in April, paid him more money than any undercard fighter that everyone paid

38:34in the history of boxing. It was a one fight deal. You followed up. You signed to a longer term extension. What was it that you and your team saw in him that decided, let's make him, you know, the guy we're going to sign and we're going to obviously spend a lot of resources and time on. Well, obviously, you know, me and my matchmakers think he's a talented kid and he's an absolute professional man. This kid is one of the greatest athletes I've ever worked with a mind-pire career. You know, I look for guys that, you know, you can't, you're not not so dumb as you can't, you know, predict whether they're going to win all their fights. That's always something that you sort of, you're sort of rolling the dice on, but I like guys that you can build a business around. And he is a guy you can build a business with. And I would think that's also key because you have such important events that you're supposed to do in the UK as well. Yeah, well, not just, you know, paramount, not just the UK, but the rest of the

39:35world. Fighting is a global business. And, you know, this was unheard of back in the day, but I'm trying to think of what it was. I just put on a fight. Think about this, right? Now, with your boxing knowledge and all your history and boxing, I just did a fight in Philly with a Muslim Russian and an Irish kid. Okay. As the main event. You old out, broke the records, all the shit. That's a US, that's a USC fight, right? That was a USC fight. Right, right. Yeah. Right. So now in boxing, if you had a guy, you'd have to fight in Vegas or Atlantic City. If you had a Puerto Rican, you could go to New York. If you had a Mexican, you could do LA, you know, you had to be very specific where you went based on who was the main event. I can main event anybody anywhere. And, and, and the thing not only sells out the brexit ring of records. With regard to the fight week that you have, there's been, I know a lot of discussion over the last,

40:36you know, months pretty much since you started everything with this. There's the constant back and forward data between yourself and the Golden Boy promoter Oscar De La Jolla, who was at least for the moment, Ryan Garcia's promoter. Have you had any contact with them directly? They'll up to the fight. And do you think you will during the course of the rest of the week? Is he going to be there with the at the press conference or on the stage with you at the weigh-in? And how's that going to go if he is? I've had zero, zero interaction with him. Have a seat. I'm talking to him. And, you know, I really haven't had any back and forth with him or any hurt. I mean, realistically, I don't know. Well, you boy, you guy hold that hold on. You, you talk shit about them and they talk shit about you. I can't be quiet through this whole thing. But they talk shit about you and you talk shit about them. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot more talking on their side than there is my side. I can't fair point. All right, let's talk about your co-feature because that was another fight that you brought up between Jai Opetaya, who is the lineal champion. He had been the IBF champion. He has now your Zufa belt. He is defending or I guess he's defending the Zufa belt. But taking on the guy

41:42who was currently the WBC champion, which is no one McAllian, good quality matchup, it seems to me. Tell me a little bit about what happened with Don King. He sent you guys a cease and desist letter. He is the promoter of McAllian. So he says, obviously, you're not, you're kind of ignoring that. You're going forward with the fight. I assume you know you're on, you believe you're on strong legal ground to do the fight. But what was your take on the 95-year-old still with Tidges Don King trying to stop that fight literally the week of the fight? Yeah, I mean, obviously he's known about this fight for a long time, sending a cease and desist days before the fight. And I liked on, I'm and and if you look at my 25 years of being in the fight business, I've never gone after a fighter that we didn't have the rights to go after. Never try to interfere with somebody else's contract or do any of that type of stuff. You know, in a sport, guys are going to pop up and become free agents. Guys are going to have opportunities. And you know, we will do everything

42:47within the legal right to put on fight. So I'm not going to go out and try to screw people over, steal people when, when guy, when guys become free agents. I'll be in there. So there was never any particular idea like, oh my goodness, we got this letter. We might have to cancel this fight. No, never. Okay, fair point there. The main event is a WBC World Title fight. You are going to do Jai's, well, I BF cruiserweight World Title fight before he was stripped before the defense. That was like the day before certainly that was not a Zufa issue. That was an I BF issue, apparently. A couple of weeks ago, you went to Ireland and you had the I BF middleweight title fight in which Aaron McKenna, your fighter won in his own country of Ireland. But back when you first started all this and you guys went out and did a ton, you went out and did a ton of publicity. We spoke on this same podcast and you talked about how you didn't want to work with the other organizations. Your, your, your tender was you'd like to put them out of business if you could. But here we are. Nine months later and you've done now, you know, various title fights with those organizations and this, this one is also of course with the WBC. So I mean, which is it? Are you,

43:53are you gonna, are you willing now to work with these organizations? Even if you don't love it and you don't necessarily like put the WBC on the, on the promo material or name the I BF, but you're still doing business with them. Even if not actively promoting their belts, can you sort of explain the change that seems in the positioning of your views on doing title fights? Well, I don't think anything's changed. My philosophy is this, as we come into this sport or once into it, months, you know, you, you have these kids who have either titles or were lined up for titles or have dreamt of, of holding a title someday and, you know, I'm willing to figure stuff out if they're willing to figure stuff out. They're not going to come in and just tell us what we're going to do and what we're not going to do and, you know, this guy's a mandatory and this guy's, you know, it's, it's not going to work that way. If, if, if everybody wants to play nice and we all want to work together and if the fighter wants it, right, which is the most important thing to me, what does the fighter want? I felt like when you first started off,

44:56it was, and I'm glad to hear that, but when you started off, you seemed a little more, because maybe you just hadn't gotten into it yet, it seemed a little bit more like confrontation like, you know, I hear what I wasn't going to do either, I didn't walk right, everybody was like, oh, I thought he was just doing small fights and I thought he was doing this and I thought he was doing that, you know, we didn't tell anybody what we were doing. We came in and we just started building our business and, and however that works, you know, it's all the work and progress. Now, part of that, I think you tell me if I'm wrong, that you were, obviously, you guys have been trying to get done the, the legislation that will adopt the Ali Revival Act. It has been passed by the United States House of Representatives. It has still hung up in the Senate where you've, there's been hearings, a Nikon testified on, you know, your company's BF. It's still stuck in the committee in the Senate. I don't know when and if it's going to come up for vote. Obviously, if they pass it and it becomes the law, that probably will change the way you do some things because it will make your Zufa belt in your UBO, you know, lawful.

45:59Can you, do you have any update on the schedule for when that may go through the Senate process to try to, for them, they try to bring it through the committee to the House floor, or is it just sort of up in the air? Yeah, I sit right here right now. I don't know the answer to that. Oh, yeah, everything you said is correct and that's what we're working to do. So is that, is it, am I incorrect to say that? At least in some way, in peeding the, the speed by which you like to do the things you've talked about doing with the UBO? No, no, no, no, not at all. I mean, if that was done right now, we'd still be working the way that we're working now. So you envision a future, then, where you'll, if you, if the UBO becomes lawful and you operate in that manner, sort of, you know, in the same sort of setup you have at UFC, but you would still, depending on what the fighters want to do and what, what opportunities are available, similar to what you're doing on Saturday with a WBC title fight here or there or an IBF title fight you did in Ireland, that sort of thing. Correct. I mean, you know, and, you know, do these guys want to work with us that they want to,

47:02you know, are they going to be easy to work with? Are they going to be difficult? Either way it goes, it doesn't matter to me. How has it been then, let's say, for this week with the WBC? That's an example. So far so good. I'm glad they're that. All right, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask you about just a couple other brief topics, if you haven't, in a minute about that. Yep. You can't go anywhere and watch a Dana White, a video clip without him being asked about Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. So I just want to just briefly touch on that. Eddie Herndt says that their contract, at least on the Herndt and Joshua side says that Zufa cannot be involved in the fight. You're, of course, on record talking about how you were involved in the site deal, as well as in the deal for the Netflix situation. What's the disconnect there that I'm missing? Well, it's a really weird thing, man. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy who is supposed to be the promoter of a fight, hurt a fight more than this guy has. It's fascinating to watch, but I get it. And listen,

48:06we've all learned a lot about Eddie Herndt last several months. I mean, Frank Warren. Yeah, Frank Warren is like a real guy. You know, the more I see it, because Frank Warren and I don't really know each other. We've met a son, but, you know, Frank Warren, he's a real guy. It's been an interesting, you know, interesting seven, eight months, whatever it's been. But we'll see how this thing plays out. He used the example in Eddie's comments that it would be like Zufa promoting Joshua and Fury would be like if he went and said to you guys, I'd like to be involved in promoting WrestleMania, meaning, you know, the, your sister company, the WWE. Do you sort of understand where he comes from on that standpoint? Listen, there's a lot of things that I know that the public doesn't know. And tell us, I think you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Eddie Herndt is full of shit.

49:08Okay. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy more full of fucking shit than this guy is. And I don't know. We'll see how it plays. Can you give me an example? This fight has to be in England for the English fans and all this stuff. How many times does that mean Joshua fought in South? That's a fair point. But I think when they made this fight, they claim they sign a contract and said to UK, so okay, I'll take them at the word if they say that's the case. I don't even think anybody's really disputed that. So they're just defending them. I'm just playing the doubles out of it. I don't understand. They say, okay, if you want to change that, then you have to pay the piper, I guess. And so it needs to be worth our while to make the switch. I think they would like to deliver their country's biggest fight to their fans. It seems logical. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that at all. So then just squash the fight and start over. Go do the fight in England and do it with his own and do it in Wembley or wherever you want to do it.

50:13In other words, not with Netflix, not at the garden. I mean, it seems like a heavy lift right there. Well, they didn't do the network. That's like the garden deal. Understood. Although, I mean, it's not not to be disrespectful in any way, Dana, you know as well as I do. Eddie Herring could have walked into the garden, and done a deal with them in two seconds also. He's done plenty of business with them through the years. He's had fights in the main arena. He's had fights in the theater. Then do it. There. Do you think the largest and I'll end this topic. Do you think the fight will actually take place since you're obviously involved in some capacity? Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. And from what you haven't covered the sport a lot in any of that, but from what you think you know of me. Do you think that I would fucking, you know, be like, oh my god, they said that they fuck, oh, we've got to, I would fucking wipe everything out. And I would start over and I would do the whole fucking thing myself. You know, I do not think that you just talk out your ass about how you're involved in the fight. I don't think you know, you would want to be embarrassed. Do you think that I would sit around and line and cry and do 850,000 interviews about why it needs to be

51:22get in there. You're the fucking, apparently, the big promoter. You're, you know, it would have, you're just said any hurt and walking to anywhere and do anything. Well, I was talking about the, I meant, I said the garden. Okay. Well, hopefully, or garden or wembley or cut a TV deal or then do it. Do you think the fight happens? That's the bottom line. Under the, under the current situation and time frame. I do think the fight happens, yes. I'm glad to hear that. All right. Let me just move on. You recently signed Shakur Stevenson. He's one of their best fighters in the world. He's the Junior World-of-the-Wheel Champion. My question for you is when are we going to see him in his first fight with Zufa Boxing? And who can you match him with because you talk about what I want to have the greatest fighters? Well, what I say soon will announce the fight soon. Do you have something already lined up that you're just not saying yet? We're working on it now. Yeah, we're working on it. I look at you. I'm excited. I'm obviously excited, you know, to have him and to,

52:28to get a fight lined up and and promote his first fight. I'm very excited about it. I don't blame you for that. I look at your roster, though, and I look in the landscape of his division, 140 or even 147, which he, I don't think he's necessarily ready to go to yet. At least not, at least he says he's not going all the way up to that weight limit just yet. Who do you even have that you could match him with? He says he doesn't want to fight. Who is a Rio Valenzuela? Judge me at the end of the year. Not what we do this year. Okay, there we go again. All right, and just one more quick one for you. There's a lot of rumors that you're a man, Richard's in Hitchin's who you've recently signed also that you're in the process. Perhaps we're trying to make a deal for him to fight Keeshawn Davis, who decided not to do a title fight because he was unhappy with the way the purse bid worked out. Is that accurate? Is that the type of fight that you're looking to do? I've heard if it happens, and in fact, Joshua and Fury were to take place here in the United States, could find its way onto that undercard. What can you say about that particular situation?

53:29Nothing yet. Listen, I don't like talking about things that I don't have done. That's fair. Because then what happens is you and I have a conversation on a podcast, your podcast drops, and everything is taken out of context, flipped and stepped and you know, it ends up just screwing things up. When I get things done, I announce them, and then we move forward. Well, Connor, Ben, challenging Ryan Garcia is announced. It is this Saturday on Paramount Plus. It's going to be, I think it's going to be a good fight. I hope it is a good fight. Dana, I appreciate your time and wish you great success. That's true. Also another excellent fight. Dana, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Excellent get right there. I know everybody is having a festival with interviewing Dana White, Ryan Garcia, Connor, Ben, etc., press conference on Thursday. Now you got him first there, candid stuff. Did I hear him? It's not like he was packing something in the background. He was zipping up like a suitcase or something, a couple of different times while you were talking

54:33to him. You made it work. Excellent job. I don't know what he was doing. Because normally I do the, we do our, you know, most of the interviews that we do now, we do them all on a Zoom or some of that with video platform. This one we did on a phone basis, which was fine. So we don't have video of it. But I don't, I think he was already in Vegas. So I don't know he lives in Vegas. I don't know what he was doing. I don't know either, but we did put part of the audio interview up on the YouTube page. There's the full audio interview. A couple of interesting things where he was talking about the Don King situation. And as you put it earlier in this podcast, they don't believe there's any legal grounds that King has to stop the fight. Who knows as Friday becomes Saturday. But that's the latest with what he said that anything else to kind of wrap up the conversation with Dana White. He was candid on a lot of things. I was very interested, you know, and he won't say that there's been a philosophy shift, at least to some degree. All you got to do is look back. You can, and we have the evidence. You can listen to the original podcast that I did with Dana when they first announced all the business with Zufa that they were starting up and doing the Paramount cards and all that.

55:35And him and I had a lengthy interview also where I asked them about, you know, they're what they were thinking about as far as would they would they work with the organizations. And he railed against them and essentially says, I'm not working with anybody else. I want to put them out of business. I mean, that's me paraphrasing. Yes. And then as I pointed out the Dana, hey, I hear what you said, but you're doing this WBC World Title Fight on Saturday. You just did about a month ago an I B F World Title Fight in Ireland where Aaron McKenna won the belt. You were you were poisoned ready to do the gyro batai I B F World Title Fight against branding land that took place early this year. And it was not a Zufa reason why the fight with no longer was I B F title fight that was because the I B F stripped them but you were ready to go. So which is it? Are you doing the fights and what titles and you know, while he did not want to get into that I'm making a change in my philosophy, if you listen to what he said, he says, listen, you know what? It depends what the fighters want to do. Worked, we'll talk to them. Do they want to play nice with us? So I feel like, you know, if you were talking to a politician, you know,

56:40there he's making a little bit of a move to the center, if you will. Like he's changed his stance. He's changed his vote, which is okay. By the way, I'm going to put it this way. At this point, they are conceding to this point. They can't do this only on their own. If they if they work conceding that, they would continue to try to do this on their own. At least for the time being the ball, but I'm just talking about all we have to go on is they have changed philosophically. He was making fun of the WBC. He was making fun of Mauricio Sulamon. He realizes to get Conor bin, what he wants, a title shot he's got for the WBC belt. He's got to get along with them. So that's a way it was the same thing with Aaron McKenna, who's their fighter. He was ranked number one for the you know, or to be in a position to fight for the title. And that's what he wanted to do. He said to you in the interview, we realize these belts are important to these guys and they've worked for them. And then a lot of cases they have them. And so they've had to concede that these organizations are going to be part of this part of it now. You know, at the moment, and this may change in the

57:44near future, if they can get the Ali reform act amendment through the Senate, which supposedly it's going to be brought up. I mean, this is in the since I did the interview on Wednesday with Dana, where he claimed he was not sure when the Senate would bring it up and try to get it through their committee. It's already been adopted by the House of Representatives. Ted Cruz, one of the senators who's involved with this on the Senate side, apparently they're going to get it through or try to get it through the committee, you know, this coming week. I mean, we'll see if that actually happens or not. But if it does, then it will come to a vote in the Senate and then they'll have to pass it. They'll have to merge, you know, the House bill with the Senate bill. And if they can do that and vote on it, then of course, it'll go to the president's desk and undoubtedly the president will sign it. But it's not done yet. But in the meantime, even if he does get that done in the adopt that bill, he did acknowledge that, yeah, we're going to have to probably do some of these title fights. If that's what the athletes want, and I want to do what the athletes want to do. But we're not going to just like roll over and get involved with these, you know, crazy mandatory and stuff. So they'll hold their ground in some ways if they have leverage and other ways

58:47they want most significantly when I asked my daddy, so okay, how's it going this week with the WBC, which of course is, you know, heavily involved in this running Garcia. If I'd said just fine, I was like, glad to hear it. There's no reason they got a war with them. There's the update. Everybody's getting paid too. Everybody's making money off of this. That always seems to smooth things over at least temporarily. Shall we get to some news? Hey, do we have any news? We have to. Okay. What how many times have you charged the phone today? Like three because you have been burning it up with text messages, calls, I'm sure, etc. Let's get right to it. Fury Joshua. I think as I've been saying for the last month, TJ, my favorite fucking topic. I know, but there is new news and you are now reporting, and this is on the pod, obviously, it's going to be on your substag. You're now reporting. We got a date change. We got a venue change from what you're hearing. Go ahead. Okay. This is not done yet. So let's not make it that it's set in stone. I mean, it's a fluid situation. If it was 100% done, I would say it's 100% that is not 100% done. And perhaps everything

59:51on that to say may blow up and not happen, but this is where what's the what's the vernacular of the day? This is where it's trending. Is that the, is that the staff you were talking about? I like to use. So it is trending this way that Fury and Joshua will in fact fight each other despite Tyson Fury's bullshit Instagram videos saying he wants to fight somebody else. But instead of taking place in New York City, and instead of taking place in Wembley Stadium, they are now looking to try to wrap things up to get the fight done to take place November 28th, which will be a move from Friday, the 20th on Netflix to Saturday, the 28th on Netflix, which puts it now even further into bad weather times. And instead of taking place at Wembley, they're trying to wrap up a deal at principality stadium and Cardiff Wales, which is still the United Kingdom. It's a venue that has hosted boxing before. For example, Anthony Joshua defended the time of their against Carlos Tacum several years ago. His unification fight against Joseph Parker was in that venue. If you go back years before that, it was the host to one of the biggest fights in the UK history when Joe Calzagi and Michele Kessler fought in their big time,

1:00:58Superman-Away Unification fight. So they're looking to do that. It's better for the weather purposes because it is an indoor facility. It doesn't hold the same capacity as a Wembley, which would probably be up to a capacity of about 100,000 for a Joshua Fury fight. I'm looking and it's part of this about for boxing could be probably around 85,000 for a few. Yeah, it says 74,000 for rugby events or box-shockers put 10,000 seats probably in and around on the pitch on the pitch. You put seats on the pitch. It's going to be way more people. Yeah, so probably 80, 85,000. What's a few thousand? Again, it's not interesting yet. But I was I talked to two people who have direct involvement in this whole scenario. One of them I said so is Netflix okay with that and they're like, again, Netflix is okay. Now, this has not been specified to me, but if it's what Netflix has been speaking about or privately saying the people all through this whole process, they still want the fight to start in prime time, American time as opposed to taking place at like five, six o'clock,

1:02:00you know, late afternoon, early evening. So what that means is like all their fights that have happened in the UK through the years that have been geared towards a better time in the United States, it would still take place at like two o'clockish or so in the morning in Cardiff. And it's for all the people who have their arms up in the air about that. Like I get it. I mean, if I was there, I'd rather have it at an hour normal time as an American. I'd be perfectly happy if you had it at your time because I can watch that six o'clock instead of later in the evening. But it don't act like it's unprecedented. I could give you a bunch of fights that have happened like that. Calzagi against Kessler started at two in the morning for the purposes of HBO. Now, go back to Showtime when they were the broadcaster for the big fight between Costa Zoo and Ricky Hatten when Ricky Hatten became the junior welterweight world champion. They did that fight in the middle of the night to accommodate the live broadcast on Showtime. In there, there we go. So, you know, Frank Lennox Lewis against Frank Brunel years ago in HBO was another fight that took place in the UK that was geared towards the United States broadcast time. So this is not the first time something like this has happened. It seems that if that is the

1:03:05the deal breaker for Netflix that it must be accommodating to the United States time zones, better to have it in the United States time zones and crazy middle of the night in the UK, but still have the fight in the UK where people who have supported Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and who are their die hard fans to have it in their country. Getting the card of yes, not a heavy lift. And you know, at least that makes more sense than Madison Square Garden. Well, and one thing her and is consistently talked about is the build up will be different and better and it's deserved if it is there for the week leading up to the fight, the days before the fight, the day before the fight, etc with the hype. And so that is fascinating. What you have found out again, we will qualify that's not done as you were just saying. I'll tell you one thing about interesting. They canceled the New York press conference, which you said on Sunday when we released the putt that's clue number one that there was movement of foot to move the fight. Go ahead. Well, but I was going to say about all that is this. Anytime you put out that type

1:04:07of information, you know, your balls are hanging out there, it's 100% true. Okay, you just don't know because you know, I never like to be wrong, right? As happened over the course of a long career, way, way, way, way more times I have been right. But the way that I have learned that you know that you're right is when you put the information out and nobody calls you and nobody texts you and nobody, you're asking and probably you're asking people privately, can you comment on this, can you tell me what's going on and they don't give you any info much less today tell you you're wrong. Well, that's what forget about whether they're going to give you info or not the sources who were involved gave me the info, but the other so were involved. If you if you really are and I've had this happen, you know, I guess sometime in my career, when you when you get something wrong, trust me, you fucking phone rings and you get the text message and people to f mother fuck you to death and like, why would you put that out? It's not right. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I've had a ton of texts and calls and all the bullshit that emails in this net, but in terms of that particular report, nothing to anybody involved saying that you're wrong. I'm right on this one.

1:05:07All right, so Saturday night, November 28th, we begin, we believe is the day, Cardiff and the principality stadium, we believe is the site, but stay tuned because guess what? Maybe maybe maybe other and maybe it does wind up back at Wimbledon. Well, and the other thing is you may be correct for tonight and you're right. And maybe they switch again and decide we can have it at Wimbledon because don't they have to have that waiver? Don't go get that worked out. The same thing, but I don't believe it applies in Cardiff. I don't think the same waiver has tears the important part. Okay. Is that most likely this fight's going to take place in the UK? That's the important part. If it goes for Cardiff, great. If it does wind up back at Wimbledon, which Eddie Hurren said publicly a couple of days ago was still a possibility. Fine. But the point is it deserves and belongs in the United Kingdom. It does not belong or deserve here in the United States period. Shall we go to what else you've been working on? You've been busy. You've met yourself coming and going at the entrance at the Rayfield office. A jeet Caballel has an opponent. Oh, you're boy. Okay. But wait a minute. It's interesting because the opponent and the

1:06:09fight in Germany could factor in to this Joshua Fury fight. Really? Well, but go ahead. Queensborough promotions is going to is planning to do a jeet Caballel against Nelson Heisa, a 25-in-o Albanian who is 42 years old with a heavy punch who people might be familiar with because if you watch the Moses, a Toma, Phillip, Hargivitz card, a couple of weeks ago, he got a knockout on that undercard. That is the fight they are making. The contracts have been sent to both sides. Heisa will be the opponent and it will take place in Germany. I am told that the contract is supposed to be for November 28th, which of course is the same night on Netflix that they'd be doing the Joshua Fury fight. However, and Frank Warren obviously is involved in both fights, but the reason why I don't think that's that big of a deal is because if they do the fight at that time, conducive to the United States prime time, meaning around 9, 10 o'clock Eastern time, meaning the middle of the night in Cardiff, the fight between Caballel and Heisa will already have been over because it would be

1:07:09a German time which will be in that five o'clock or so range. I don't know if they have anything to do with each other. The point is, Caballel is going to be making his first WBC heavyweight title defense since he was elevated from the interim champion level when Alexander Usik vacated the titles. He did a big, big crowd in Germany when he defended the interim title against Damien Caniba. That was back in January. He since been elevated. He destroyed Caniba in three rounds. And Heisa, look, I don't know. I don't think Heisa is like this. Mr. Skills or anything like that, but he's got a heavy punch. He scored a second round knock out against Thomas Narmo. This was on that undercut. I just mentioned in London on August 20th. August 22nd, I guess it was. In any event, that's the fight. All right. Stay tuned if that's the date. His Frank Warren obviously not going to be involved and be there because he's going to be at the Tyson Fury anti-Jashua fight. So stay tuned. On that, but there's more. You've got more reporting. And you mentioned the name, Geron Boots in his earlier. We've been wondering if Innis would try to get a unification fight. And it

1:08:14looks like that is now going to be happening. Give me more of the details. What are you reporting about Innis and Josh Kelly? When where? Okay. So this one is not like a total surprise because all along ever since after Boots in his won the unified title against his inner Zionist. And then it was not that much longer. That you had Josh Kelly in his first title defense against a gyarco. And they were, you know, he's calling. He was calling the in his out for unification after that fight. Kelly has the idea of Delta. He had made his first title defense. The thing about it was that in that fight against a Gyarcho, he had suffered a terrible facial cuts and a very, very deep and very rough cut across the bridge of his nose. And so it wasn't a matter I don't want to fight. It was really more a matter of, am I going to be medically good to go to participate in that level of a fight, you know, and get back in the ring before the end of 2026. So it was sort of touch and go. Apparently he's going to be good to go and they've made the fight. I don't know if it's officially signed, but that is absolutely what they're planning to do. It's a

1:09:15fight that both guys are interested in, you know, for Kelly, it's going to be by far his biggest payday and an opportunity to win two other titles in for Innis. You know, he has designs on becoming the undisputed champion. And if you're not going to fight the other title, there's a can't do that. So he'll be a big favorite against Kelly. So that's not a surprise that they've made the fight. That's sort of not even the diggers of that sort of sort of been out there, if you will. What I reported that was the new stuff was that the fight will take place at State Farmerina in Atlanta, which is where they're planning to do this event. The date is not set. It will be in November or December. I would imagine because the end of November is sort of getting clogged up right now that you're probably looking at the early part of December on that fight. But going to a place like Atlanta in a first class arena like State Farmerina makes a lot of sense. I mean, Boots has sold well in Philly where he's from. He did a good crowd with his and her in New York. And if you want to bring him to some place that's a little bit different, you know, go fish with the fish are what I mean by that is go to a place that is supportive of black American boxers. And the two best cities to do that if it's not your hometown or even a

1:10:18place like New York in my estimation is to do a fight in Atlanta or do a fight in Washington DC. And they they had talked about either one of those as a possibility. They I guess have worked something out to do this fight in Atlanta and good for Atlanta and good for them to take in the show on the road. Two guys were not from there, but they're going to probably turn out a good crowd and put on a significant fight. And you know, hopefully put on a good undercarriage. And in his is obviously a star pardon me and has been mixing it up. Remember, he was on that the coverage of the fight. The Andy Ruiz Kaniba fight. He was on exchanging barbs with boots in his Terrence Crawford and in his words. So there's some speculation that Crawford may try to come back and fight in his at some point. Hey, one other note on your reporting. So this is interesting. If it is Atlanta, if it is the state farm arena, which is the downtown arena where the Atlanta Hawks play. The if you're not doing it on the 28th with the 28th is already what you're talking about with potentially two big time heavyweight fights, even though they're overseas. The next weekend,

1:11:21the southeastern conference, college football championship game is regularly and always in Atlanta, the first Saturday of December. So that Saturday is December the 5th. I don't know that they would have to fight in Atlanta that day. Either so we might be looking at December the 12th, like the next week while we're playing detectives. Whatever. I don't know what they're going to do. Anything better for Kelly, because it just gives him more time to make sure he's healed up from all that is true. And he's got a whipping more than likely coming from Toronto and his stay too. We're a little slanted on that. But I think we all believe that in us would whip up on Josh Kelly. Stay tuned on whether it's December the 5th, December the 12th, Christmas Eve or whatever it is. So stay locked in on Dan's sub stack and on his social media because we just gave you a whole bunch of news. Let's cover a couple of more things and then get out of here. Unfortunately, we got news earlier this week that a Hall of Fame former two time undisputed lightweight champ has passed away. Tell me more about Ishmael Laguna. I don't really know that name from back in the day as a lightweight world champion back 50 years ago or so. Go ahead.

1:12:24Laguna was one of those stalwart top fighters of the 1960s. He boxed from 1960 to 1971. So not a long career in terms of the number of years compared to a lot of other guys. But he had a lot of accomplishment. Past away at age 83 in his home country of Panama, where probably they're not probably absolutely the biggest superstar boxer ever from Panama is the great Roberto de Rán. But in the next group of guys below de Rán, Laguna is one of those fighters. I went 65, 9 and 1 with 37 knockouts in that career. He was inducted into the international boxing Hall of Fame rightly so in 2001. And look, he scored some huge wins by becoming the undisputed champion. This is back when there was two belts to do so. The WBC and the WBA has a humongous victory against Carlos Ortiz. This was in 1965 in front of the home crowd in Panama City to become the champion. And unlike champions due today, he actually took two non title bouts after he won the title. One that was, you know, or I guess he had a draw actually in one of them and one the other one. He then

1:13:25had a rematch against the great Carlos Ortiz, one of the great fighters of all time from Puerto Rico. Lost in that rematch seven months later. By the way, we talk about activity. He wins the title, has two non title fights and then has the rematch all within seven months. Lost a decision. These are 15 round fights back in the day. That was in 1967 or I'll take the back. That was later, you know, in 65 in 1967 he had the third fight, the rubber match against Ortiz to try to regain the title. He also lost that fight. But he became a two time undisputed when he defeated a by knockout, Mando Ramost. That was a fight that took place in Los Angeles in 1970. He defended it by a 13th round knockout against a top Japanese fighter, Guts, Ishi Matsu. And then because boxing was still fucked up back then, like it is today, he got stripped of the WBC title. And then later went and defended the one belt, the WBA belt against the Hall of Famer Ken Buchanan. Lost a really brutal, like rough harsh kind of. I mean, it was a very, very close fight that he lost.

1:14:29I don't, when I say brutal, I don't mean the combat. I mean, the way the decision went down, he lost his split decision in 1970 that Ken Buchanan, who was a Hall of Famer, lost those titles. And at that point, his career was sort of petering out. He fought four more times and finished his final fight in the bid to regain that title against Ken Buchanan and he lost a decision in the rematch. But he fought a ton of top guys, even before he became champion or in a non-total fight, he had a draw with Nicolí Lose, who was a top fighter for a long, long time. You know, he was a true great. Every bit, this Hall of Fame recognition, he deserved it. And, you know, he passed at age 83. All right. And you did an excellent job there with the, the obituary, the, the ring accomplishments, etc., Hall of Fame fighter dying after a long life, by the way, at 83 years of age, two other notes. And then we'll get out of here. As you mentioned, two of us on the previous pod, Raymond Morataya was moving up and vacating the IBF lightweight title. But the IBF now says they want a Russian to fight a Cuban Andy Cruz and Andy Cruz was apparently set to move

1:15:32down. We've been talking about that to junior lightweight. But alas, there's a title shot involved. Remember, he fought Morataya and lost for this same IBF belt and he's apparently going to go forward again against a Russian. Explain more. Yeah. I mean, when he lost the title, when he lost the title match as the mandatory against Morataya earlier this year, who is it? One of the best fights. It's just a tremendous fucking fight. All action, very close competitive. You know, I got, I know he took his first loss, but nothing to be ashamed of. He lost, you know, a tremendous battle. And as you said, he was talking, then he came back and he got, he got one win in July. He knocked out Abraham Montoya. His contract with matchroom was up. He's been a free agent. They're still talking, even though technically he's a free agent, he may resign with them. We'll see what happens. He, I guess, could still get offer from somebody else and perhaps they'll match it, but regardless of whatever his promotional situation is, he's not going to go down and wait. As I talk to somebody on his team about that, he says, now that this title shot us here, he's obviously going to take it. So the way the IVF works a lot of times and leave the number one spot vacant in case there's an eliminator. So the number one position in the IVF is vacant, but this will fill the title. And it's

1:16:34between their number two fighter a undefeated, but untested and unknown Russian fighter named Arthur. I'm going to try to pronounce it to you. Subhenk, love. How'd I do? I think you did good. Subhenk, so that is the opponent. So, and so he's number two in their ratings. Andy Cruz is number three. They made the order. They have a period of time about a little less than three weeks to make a deal, which is hard to make a deal if you don't have a promoter because you're not sure who's going to negotiate on your behalf. So that's one of the reasons why I mentioned about maybe a resign with a natural boxing. But in any event, if it doesn't, if they don't make an agreement, it'll go to a person, but whatever, he'll get an opportunity to fight for the title against, against the guy that's right ahead of him in their rankings. And one more nugget on Amanda Sorano, the lineal and two belt women's unified featherweight champion. She just fought recently and won and what was a controversial decision. She is at the end of her career. She acknowledges

1:17:35that and she's now talking about when her final fight will be. Pick it up on that. Yeah, it's kind of maybe she was watching Katie Taylor, her very rival bow out in such spectacular fashion last week with that spectacle in Dublin, not a spectacle, not so much in terms of the actual fight itself, but in terms of just all the hoopla that surrounded it and the crowd and just the motion and everything that came through that night. So she has been saying Sorano that she's planning to retire. She never had any more fights left. And so she did go on her social media and say that she's going to have her final fight in January. There's no date. There's no sight. I think if she had it her way because she said this in the past, she'd like to close things out by having a fight in Puerto Rico where she is from and you know, bring up, bring a fight like that home. She's also, you know, we'll see who they pick as the opponent, but she still hopes to score a knockout because she's sitting there with 33 career knockouts tied for the most all-time for female boxers with the great Christie Martin. So she can pick up number 34 and what she claims will be her last fight. Obviously she would become the sole record holder in that particular category. Although I

1:18:38can think of a lot worse things if you're a professional boxer and one of the best females of all time to wind up in a tie with the Christie Martin, but yeah. So Sorano was planning to bow out also. I mean, her and Taylor both had great careers and both of them are at the end and Katie had her farewell and hopefully- And Sorano was- And Sorano was class. She wrote that it did that social media video where she wrote a letter to Katie Taylor and congratulated her in the whole bin and I would not be surprised if Taylor does something similar for Sorano's farewell farewell fight. There's a lot of respect there. Oh yeah. And so there you go. Man, this has been a busy show. Can we get it in the ring with Ryan Garcia and Connor Ben? Have a look. You're always so nervous. You're so worried about that shit. I don't know. Well gee, because Ryan Garcia showed up three pounds overweight for the Devon Haney fight. The fight's still going to happen. By the way, we should make mention while we've been doing the pod tonight, they've been holding the press conference and Ryan Garcia spent part of the press conference, chowing down on boiled eggs, making fun of Connor Ben's claim that his PED violation was due to tainted eggs. So let me ask you a question. When

1:19:43Connor Ben was there, was he poking needles in his arm to simulate Ryan Garcia? Right. And how did he come with an I come with an IV like he had after the the weigh-in illegally with Devon Haney that helped getting him suspended? So yeah, I don't know. But anyway- We find that very rich that a guy that failed the drug test mocking the other guy who also failed the drug test. Well, from his perspective, maybe he was hungry and just decided to eat a couple of boiled eggs coincidentally. Anyway, this fight again, Paramount Plus, in Las Vegas, Saturday night late, we will come back off the weekend here and recap it with everything that's going to go on. Can Connor Ben follow in the steps? We didn't really play it up on this pod in the steps of his father, Nigel Ben, and become a WBC world champion. His father in the hall of fame or will Ryan Garcia derail that and beat him on on Saturday night and there's always the drama with Oscar De La Jolla and Ryan Garcia to stay tuned for that. Big damn one other note, we are very much aware of this and you are a New York native, although you live now in Virginia. And obviously I live here in Florida. Friday is

1:20:48the 25th anniversary of September 11. I still remember being on the radio on the five day of week radio sports show in Tampa Bay is all of that unfolded and the and the president George Bush was in a Sarasota, Florida elementary school, about 30 miles from my radio studio. And obviously, you were in and around all of this covering the sport. By the way, you say I'm in New Yorker, but I live in the Washington, you see here. You do. It crashed into the Pentagon. That is correct. I went to the office in Arlington, Virginia, where we still had the USA today offices. And because it was all hands on deck and they brought in dinner for the whole staff, we all went up to the executive dining room at one point or another to eat dinner. And the way that that was situated, if you looked out the window that looked directly down the Potomac River, we sat there and ate down there and seared in my mind for the rest of my life. We of me and a bunch of our my colleagues and staff members had dinner in the executive dining room. Overlooking the Potomac River down the river towards the airport in the Pentagon and we could see the smoke bubbling from the top of the Pentagon. So my New York roots, yes, but I've made my home and

1:21:53I've lived in Virginia in Washington, DC region for the better part of the entire 2000s. I moved here in March of 2000. So this is where it hit. And it's funny because not funny, but one of the things I remember so vividly about is when September 11th happened, I was supposed to travel the next day on September 12th to go to New York City on the Amtrak train to New York City to cover Bernard Hopkins and Felix Trinidad in the middle of a tournament final. Obviously the fight was postponed for two weeks until the 29th, which I then went to. And so I was in New York in Lower Manhattan, you know, at or Midtown Manhattan, really at the garden right after this happened. And I can still remember seeing all the flyers on the train station wall of people looking for loved ones that who had not been accounted for after what happened. You could still smell it in the air. I can remember coming up on the elevator from Penn station to go to the hotel and you get into the into the, you know, the afternoon air and you could smell, you know, the burning and when you

1:22:59know this is Penn station. This is a couple weeks later too. Right. This is two weeks later. But we're also like, you know, you're at like, you know, 34th Street, 35th Street, whatever where the garden is and Penn station, you know, the world trade centers all the way downtown. So you're, you know, you're quite a ways away from it, but it was still in the air. You could see it. You could smell it. It was, I mean, you just don't forget, you know, like that. No doubt. And there's a tremendous documentary blurb on the Trinidad Hopkins and how boxing resumed there and how sports resumed, obviously with the Yankees game and with the NFL and everything else that transpired. I pledged 25 years ago on the radio and in doing radio shows in a couple of years after that in local radio in Tampa. I pledged it ever since doing national radio whenever I've been on and around on September 11. We should never forget. We should, I cannot believe I'm now saying it's 25 years later. We should never forget what went on September 11, 2001 and the heroes and the victims that died that from those terrorist attacks. So there we go. So we pay a little homage to that. Well done,

1:24:01Big Dan. My goodness, busy show. Let's, let's see what happens with Garcia and Ben. Find, find the big fight weekend YouTube page as well. You'll hear Connor Ben, CM and hear him on that interview. And Big Dan, why don't we come back off the weekend, Sunday night into Monday and recap, whatever happens here with this, with this matchup for the WBC, Walter Waitadal, Joe, Jaya Pataya and Nicole Feature Fight with Noel McCaleon. Let's recap all of it off the weekend. Sound good? It does not go to we will also have my interview with the WBC in her middleweight champion Jason Stramos was going to fight on the 19th on the PVC, his own card. So you'll hear that Sunday night is busy, busy on this weekend. Big Dan, have a good weekend. Thank you, sir. Always there we go. There's Dan Rayfield on merely TJ Rees. Follow or subscribe on this pod feed. Help us out with a five star rating and review. You've been with us on the big fight weekend preview podcast.