S17 E03 Pt. 2 – Do We Choose Heaven or Hell?

Everybody JC3 here last week we talked about what people experience at the moment of death.

This week, tonight, we're talking about what happens after.

Let's talk about free will.

Okay, so we'll get to the final part of this episode.

We've gone through the stories of science, the emotion.

It's time for do you believe that these stories, these videos that people have?

Do you, does it, does it prove that there's something after death?

Yes.

Do you, do you want to believe that there's something after death besides heaven?

Because it's heaven.

Well, think about it this way.

If you're saying that someone is coming to visit you and bring you to heaven

or bring you to the other side, let's put it like that.

That means they're coming out of heaven to come and get you.

But that's what the light is.

It's heaven.

That's what I believe.

The light isn't like a tunnel.

It's heaven.

That's the end.

That's where you are, you know.

That's where I have my problem.

If you're in paradise and the Lord said to you, look, don't worry about them.

They're going to be fine.

You know, this is where you're going to, we're all going to wind up one way or another

on this side of the railing.

So that's temporary.

Not all of us, but okay.

You're all, everybody's going to die.

You can get away with everything in the world.

You're going to die.

Even taxes.

We're all going to go.

Yeah.

Now, do you believe, I have a tough time believing that, and this has come from a person

who believes my is literally in this house.

Yes.

Okay.

So I know I'm contradicting myself.

Talked into the mic.

I know I contradicted myself, and I'm sorry for that.

However, do you, I have a tough time believe that they're on the other side running

these celestial brancels and make a wish foundation to come back here and say, come with me.

I'm going to take you to the light because that's what Jesus and God has set up.

They don't need you.

They don't need you to come by and you put them on a train to take them over to heaven.

Sure.

Everyone.

Okay.

So everyone, you're going to meet them no matter what.

Everyone, you better be fucking prepared.

Everyone at the table is going to hit you when I say this.

If you have faith in that, no, disagree with you.

If you don't, whether you have faith or not, we're all going.

Now, well, we're all going to die.

I guess we're all going to die.

We're going to turn us into a fucking preacher meeting.

But I'm going to add this again.

I look at this.

I wouldn't you rather be prepared for something you don't know about just in case.

Because if you're live, you're like, if you're like, I've got these A.C.

It's like, I don't believe it.

Look around you.

Look around you.

This didn't just get here for no reason.

I let them know.

Let them know.

Tell me.

It's so, don't wait a minute.

I'm not done.

Yeah.

Okay.

If you sit there and you decide that, no, there is no heaven in it.

There is no hell in it.

It's all just movies and it's all bullshit and everything else.

I know that because I'm smarter than everybody.

But then you get to the other side and go.

A direct quote from Anthony, by the way.

You have to do this side and go, uh-oh.

If that's good.

Now, it may be all bullshit.

We may be always.

So are you telling?

Hold on.

Why don't you rather be fucking prepared?

So are you telling me that the all loving, all powerful, all knowing God?

I don't think so about us.

I think I know where he's going.

I only loves you if you have faith and believe in him.

That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

All right.

So this where I'm a step in.

Yes, please help me here.

The Lord has blessed us, you know, with it's a gift, you know.

It's free will.

It's something that was given to Adam and Eve.

Is this free will that you're not programmed like a robot to only serve God.

To no matter what happens, you're going to do it in the name of God.

You're not programmed like that.

The Lord has blessed you with free will.

What you do with that free will is up to you, you know.

And to say, okay, Lord, well, you gave me this free will.

So I'm going to live reckless, this life full of sin, and I'm going to live to what my flesh

desires.

You have chosen to stray away from God that now really in the Bible, as far as what I read,

how is it described as this torturous place where you're going to be tortured for days on end?

And, you know, these demons are just going to have this way with you.

From what I've read, it's separation from God that you're going to be separated from God.

So what is separation from God?

Because we know God is love, you know, God explains in the Bible what heaven is like.

So you're separating from this to where this place of gnashing of teeth, this place of depression,

this place of anxiety, you know, imagine living like this for attorney, it is hell.

So this is something that you're choosing, you know, this isn't something that the Lord is putting

on you like, hey, you got to go say all these hell marries and you got to tell the priest

in the costume down the street, all your sins now, you know, this isn't what you have to do,

this choice is up to you, you know, whether you believe that what the Lord did for you on the cross,

if he did that for you and he rose again, you know, you have faith that this occurred and you have

faith in Jesus, then you're choosing with God. This is a gift that is given to you when you do that,

eternal life with him. So it's up to you with the free will that the Lord has given you.

Are you choosing to have faith? Are you choosing to be with the Lord and with the Lord

as teaching and doing that that walk with Christ? Or are you going to tell God, you know what?

Not right now. No, I don't want to live that way. It's not for me, you know, at this point

of my life, I got plenty of women to me, you know, I got plenty of drugs to try. I got a lot of

things to do. I don't have time for this. So what are you saying to God? You're saying to God like,

no, my earthly desires here are way more than what you got going on right now. So I'm going to choose

to live this way. So you're drawing that line in sand. You're saying no. So in the Bible, they do

talk about an unforgivable sin which Teresa did speak about earlier is blaspheming against

the Holy Spirit. So that in itself, I brought that up. Yeah. Because that's the one thing that

pisses me off. Now, see, I'm Roman Catholic. You're Baptist. It's a slight difference here.

I believe in saints. You don't. I believe that in the blessed Virgin Mary. You guys believe

that she might have been a prophet or whatever. I don't know what you guys believe. There's one

thing I will not tolerate. And when Teresa came to me about going to your church, I thought I was

going to feel some kind of way. I loved it. And the reason I loved it was because God is God. Jesus

is Jesus. The only question I had to you, if you remember correctly, was just don't ever turn

away from the blessed Virgin Mary because we really don't know. I personally choose to believe that

yes, she was chosen by God to do this. And I know it's a far-fetched story. I get all that.

But if you believe in miracles and stuff like that, and this is what I was taught to believe

from day one, and it always made sense to me. However, that's not taken away from

your non-denominational because you're still teaching the Bible. You're still talking about God.

You still have the same belief system choices. What? This is all part of it, Joe. No, no, no, no.

I'm not like we're at towards the end of the episode. So I'm fine with all of this. I'm fine.

I'm fine with it. I just have different points of views. That's all step anytime you want.

When I made the decision to let go of the Catholic title, because ultimately,

we, Him and I had a very, have had very many conversations regarding faith, the differences between

non-denominational Christianity and Catholicism. And really, what we came down to in agreement with

was that all Catholicism is Christianity plus. It's Christianity. All of the same beliefs we have.

We believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. We believe in God.

We believe in God. Right. And the addons are the veneration of saints, the sacraments,

the belief in these different holidays of the Catholics believe in. Calling the Pope daddy.

They're all the Pope and the priests and all of that.

True. This true.

Am I going to sit here and say, well, now the saints are nothing. No, because I was taught

what they were and what they meant and who they were. She still prays to say to me when she

loses something. It's not about praying because that's something that we again, you have to

differentiate praying and venerating are two different things. You don't pray to a saint.

You venerate them there. You hold them in a high regard in a respect. The same thing with the

blessed Virgin. She's not prayed to. She's not held in space of God. She's not.

She's not, you're not saying instead of praying to God, I'm praying to the blessed Virgin Mary.

She's held in this regard because she's an individual who was handpicked before she was born

to carry Jesus Christ. This immaculate conception was not Jesus' conception. It was Mary's

conception. Talk about hitting lottery. What? I mean, just think about it. She wasn't born and God

picked her. God picked her. Everything was done. I mean, that was it. She was going to happen.

That was the end of it. And you have to hold her in that regard. Exactly. And that's how I still feel.

But there are certain things that I don't practice as a Catholic. I got married without having

any of the other Catholic sacraments done. There are things that I don't practice as a Catholic

that I just felt like there's no reason for me to hold on to this when I don't practice as that

way. I'd rather be identified as something that follows and suit with how I live my life and

non-denominational Christianity was it. But that doesn't mean I let go of the high respect that I

hold for the blessed Virgin because ultimately, she's not just some woman who got knocked up and

had a kid and I was it. She gave birth to the Jesus Christ. She gave birth to the perfect man.

And to me, that means a lot more than just someone who got knocked up and had a kid. But it's the

same thing. Can we not use the word knocked up when it comes to her? I'm just saying like, I know.

I'm not inviting both. No, but what I'm saying is like, but it's the same thing. But listen,

they're going to attack you for saying, obviously, the blessed Virgin is the blessed Virgin and she gave

birth to Jesus Christ, whatever. But it also, and this is going way off topic, but whatever,

it also goes the same for John the Baptist mother. It was like eight times the episode and half and

two episodes from it. Elizabeth was 85 plus years old. Zachariah. Is that John the Baptist father's

name? Zachariah. Yeah, you two haven't been on a podcast episode in a while. So get it out.

Get it out. Zachariah was mute until he believed that this was happening. And once he accepted that,

he was given his voice. Like, these are things I still believe in. I don't give a fuck. These are

things I still believe in. But as you know, it's, it's what's there. It's what's in the Bible.

It's what I believe in. And that's the thing is, you know, like she just said, like, well,

I'm not praying to, you know, Mary, the blessed Virgin Mary. I'm not praying to her. And that's

the thing is like, you're not praying to her. The Catholics pray to her. So now you're, you're,

you're not Catholic, or you're not agreeing with Catholics. I had, well, I'm not going to bring

up. But, you know, staying on topic, you know, are you, are you Catholic, right? Are you doing

the Catholic thing, right? You know, because what the thing with Catholics is they hold the blessed

Virgin Mother very high. The way to talk to Jesus and the way to talk to God is through the Virgin Mary.

They have worship songs dedicated to the Virgin Mary, you know, talk to the, talk to the Lord for

me on my behalf. You know, tell the Lord that to forgive me of these sins. And then you have to

pray these hell marries to be forgiven. But now you're putting the Virgin Mary above, or as a

middle man, over God or below God in order to get to God, you know, as a, as a Catholic for the

better part, well, 65 years. I can, I can tell you, I've never experienced asking anybody,

like in church or anything that anybody would say, you know, I heard him say, blessed Virgin Mary,

pray for us. Just like they do with the, say, say, sister Joanne, sister Lucifer, you're not asking

them to, Lucifer, you're not asking them to absorb your sins, you're asking them to please,

you know, pray for us, maybe an added help to pray or whatever. And it's the same thing that I told

you when we, because we had, we had arguments about this. And it's also, it's not, it's not really

arguments. I have one religion. It was one of those things that he didn't grow up Catholic. He

didn't grow up Catholic. I grew up Catholic. I have a lot more experience and knowledge in Catholicism,

where he may have misinformation or guilt, you know, things like that. So talking about it, he's

like, well, you pray to saints, like, no, you venerate saints. You hold them in high regard to

who they are when they were on this planet. And, you know, you don't pray to them where it's like,

okay, God's not listening. I'm going to pray to see. But Catholics pray to saints. But again,

it's not praying. It's venerating. I disagree with you. I'm very close. I can say that

in all my years of being in a Catholicism, we've never prayed to the saints like they can,

they're the ones that can cure my cancer. The only thing that comes close to that would be when

somebody like he just said before, what? We have patron saints for a reason. Hold on. I'm

getting to that as you just say, you know, don't be doing favor. Host. Shut the fuck up.

Okay. You know, when, like he said before, okay, there's an old thing where, you know,

if you lose your car keys, say, Anthony, please help me. He's the patron saint of lost items.

Lost items. Uh, who gave him that title? Do you think when he died, he turned around,

you know what? I think the Saint Gerard, what do you see the patron saint of pregnant women?

Pregnant women. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Pregnant women and children. I just want to know,

do you think when that person died, they're like, yesterday was his saint. I'm getting a false

for a moment. So when, when and when Teresa gets pregnant, hopefully God willing, would you pray

to Saint Gerard, you know, if she ever came down with a sickness or a complication, would you

pray to Saint Gerard? You want my honest answer? Yes. Absolutely not. Okay. And the reason that is

because that hurts Saint Gerard is not going to help you. I would say Saint Gerard's please,

Saint Gerard, please pray for us. Do you always ask, you always ask people to pray for my friend,

pray for this? That's fine. You can do that. But when you ask for their intervention as far as,

you know, my dog ate my homework. What's the answer? I go, right, right. That's where the line

gets blurred. And I agree with you. And that's a, you, you can't pray to anyone but Jesus.

That's, that's the bottom line. When you start praying to saints or you pray to this or you pray

that, now the Blessed Virgin Mary, I'll be honest with you. It's not that I pray to the Blessed

Virgin Mary, but I pray for her guidance as far as show me how to be a better Christian. Show me

how to show me what it, you know, whatever, help me any way you can. And if you do believe in,

and, and, you know, like, like our lady of Fatima, our lady of Guadalupe, these, these things that

they saw, it's mind boggling what they saw. Okay, you know, when you, when you're, when you're

got 10,000 people in a, in a, in a field, and you have three sons that are spinning around each

other. And it's a massive story at that point. That's something going on. And then she shows

herself to three children on several, and con, several different contents where I draw my line

is when somebody picks up a piece of toast and goes, Oh, my God, Jesus, I got to put on either.

Or some Jesus, Finn Hudson, shit like that. That's what you want to shout out on me. You, you

want to just like beat the shit out of these people. That aside, I, I, I cannot, the Blessed

Virgin Mary in my, I'm not, I'm not going to put as far as hierarchy. She's not important. She's

very important to me, very important to me. She had a special job. Yep. Okay. And to me, I honor that

and, and help me get whatever you can do to help me get to your son. You know, your son,

Baron, anybody help me. If things worked out, you guys are blessed and, you know, whatever you

just said with pregnancy and everything. It's not Jesus. I'm just going to pray. And I'm going to

send it out there to everyone to help. Everyone to pray fine. But I will actually pray to Jesus,

pray to the Holy Spirit and pray to God, which basically is praying to one anyway.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So, look, it's, it's, when you can get past the

Catholicism part and the, you know, the, the organized religion.

Yeah, organized. Okay. Shout out to my future kids.

You can actually see that there's more similarities and differences. And one of my things,

I want, I want to get a podcast going. I want to bring David in here.

Dave, boom, boom. And I want to get at that point, it was Father, whatever, but it's Father

Jordan now. I want to get them in here to have it. And I want it to be Christianity today.

And at that point, I didn't even bring in, what's his name? Pastor Greg. Pastor Greg.

Shout out to Greg. Okay. And my father-in-law. Yeah, you can bring your dad into it. Yeah.

Hell yeah. And then you and I could sit here. He's more fire and brimstone like he's gonna

whatever works. Can I be a part of this podcast? No, absolutely not. You are, you are going to be

the engineer that day. What, what, what can I have a mic? Because I don't think it's something,

it's something that's built for skepticism or, or it's more of Christians having a conversation.

I want to see. I want to see. It's not a platform to discuss. You want to bring Anthony in here

with four fucking holy men? Are you out of your mind? Hold on, hold on. Here we go. This is the one

No, no, there's a difference between having, listen, and I, before you get to that point,

I want to ask you a dead question. Do you, do you, do you believe that to be forgiven of your

sin that you have to talk to a priest? Coming from my Catholic teaching, I'm going to say yes.

Okay. Now, I'm sure you're going to have a different thing because you're going to go biblically.

But being a Roman Catholic, which I, I'll never give that up. You and I said,

y'all go down to your church. I want to go back. I enjoyed that day because it's refreshing.

It's nice to see how everybody else worships and the friendships and it's, I'll give you,

I'll be honest with you. It's a little bit, a little bit more laid back. It's a little bit

more you're to eat. It's not regimented. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Talking to the Catholic church, you feel guilt. No, I, well, yeah, you're always going to feel guilt

Catholic church. That's what it was designed to be. However, you should feel this way. You can't,

you can't ask me at 65 years old. They're only one way my entire life to just say, I believe

that now. Right. You believe in, uh, you believe in like mortal sin, like their sins that can't

be forgiven. No, no, you don't believe in that. I hope not. Okay. I'm going to be as honest with

you without going into detail. I hope the God that it's just like, I find it interesting that,

you know, that not that you're nitpicking or anything like that. But just over the years,

like Catholicism has changed so much, where it's like this used to be a problem. But because

a couple guys in a Vatican said it isn't a problem anymore, you know, like, you know, like,

baptism, like I was trying to, I said this, I was having this conversation with you and mom

a few months ago or a few weeks ago. When me and Isaiah were having our consistent conversations

regarding, you know, all types of sin and, and, you know, what the, the Catholic view of sin,

or whatever, one of the conversations was baptism. Now, Christians, Christians, non-denominational

Christians don't do the traditional babies three weeks old, drop them in a pot of water,

bless them over. And he's, and I'm the fucking heathen. I have some carrots and potatoes. It's a baby

stew. Right. Like, they don't believe in that. It's more of a presentation. And when they become of,

as much as what I've seen, and I'm sure maybe it's different in different churches. But

when they come of age to take that pledge, that's when they take that pledge and become baptized.

They, they join in with two, with one or two pastors, they, they ask them, are you giving yourself,

you're giving your life to Jesus Christ, they say yes, and they baptize you. Now Catholics

do it differently. Like I said, three weeks old, drop them in a pot of water, bless them over.

Make another. Yada Yada, whatever your baptized Catholic. That's how I was baptized.

We were all baptized that way. We were talking about our children. And I've known from more than,

like, really not the very start, but very early on in our relationship that that's not how he would

want to go, how he would want our children's lives. That's what he knows as he was taught that.

And I was fine with that because I've never been someone to push the religion because I've

never fully understood it myself. But when it came to baptism, I know mom's point of view is like,

well, they're not baptized when they're a child and God forbid they die. They don't go to heaven.

They go to purgatory. That's what we're talking. Right. That's what you're talking. So when I

did research on it because I'm like, I don't believe that because in the Bible, the children belong

to Jesus Christ. No matter if they're baptized or not, it's not even mentioned in the Bible,

baptism. Yeah, I find that not to believe myself. Right. But a practicing Catholic will do that,

because again, I'd rather be safe and sorry. Right. Well, baptism is not for babies. I mean,

baptism was mentioned in the Bible. John the Baptist was a fucking Baptist. Well, he was

baptizing people into Christianity. But what I'm saying is, yeah, you know, what I'm saying is

it wasn't mentioned in the Bible where if a baby isn't baptized at X amount of age, then they're

going to purgatory, it was never mentioned. These are just rules added by the fucking council.

I see it. That's what happened. Who's a culture? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So back in, I believe it was either

1997 or 2007, but I think it was 2007 with the Pope at the time, which don't ask me who it was,

because every year, 2007, John Paul, John Paul, the sequel, he, the second coming, he looked

over on this person was murdered, by the way, but we'll give them because up until that point,

that was a rule. That was the, that was what was in, you know, all of the documentation,

where it's if a baby isn't, hold on one second, Joe, you are going to have to cut this in because

this is too good. Too good. We're just, we're just peppering that it was shot, by the way,

you know, just peppering that it just give us a right at the end of this. Go ask us about

believing it. We'll give you the answer for that, but you really need to cut this in two,

because this is an amazing conversation. Yeah. And it needs. I fucking know which why I haven't

stopped it. Okay. Good and shut up. So I do want to get my stuff in. You will hold on to her. Yeah.

Pope John Paul reviewed all of that stuff and got everybody together at the Vatican. It was like,

how do we know that babies don't go to heaven if they die before baptism? Why are we saying that?

Why, like, why are we telling people this is going to make people feel like they have to

baptize their children and they're going to worry for their children if they're still born.

If it's a, you know, an ectopic pregnancy, if they die in the, whatever, they're going to worry.

This isn't fair to people, but it was like up until that point for however long this is what

Catholics believed. Now you have someone like mom, who when you talk about this, you know,

she gets a little weird because if they're not baptized, she believes it. No matter what

Pope John Paul did in 2007, she's still stuck with that idea. So it's like they changed this man,

this flesh and bones man made this decision on behalf of God saying, we don't know what's going to

happen. So let's, let's drop this. They should be baptized Catholic, but we don't know what happens

if they die. So we're going to say they're going to go to heaven because that's what it says in the

Bible. So it's like, why was this, is he okay? I don't know. Why was this idea even presented?

Who came up with that? And that's another whole conversation. But like, I don't know where I was

going with that. I don't even remember where you were probably going was if someone can change

something in the Bible or not the Bible, but if someone could change something's in faith

in religion, then why was it there in the first place? Right. Yeah. So, so that's my whole take on

everything as far as the Bible because there are so many different takes of the Bible and so many

different takes of where you sit there and go, let them know. There's not, there's, okay. So why

do we have a King James? Oh, those are translations. Okay. See everything's a translation brother.

I'm going to, I'm going to address what you just said about there's so many takes. A take is

here. That's what you believe. You're going to take it your way because that's what your eyes are

seeing it through your lens. Okay. But it isn't changing the words on the on the page. Yes, it is.

No, sir. Those words are there. You can say, you know, like in this version of the Bible, it says,

you know, they'll show not sin. And in this version said, you know, man, hey man, don't sin. Okay,

that's what it, that's what it comes down to. A take is personal, but it doesn't change the fact

that this is the book. You can take it in any way you want. You can translate into cats. Hold on,

hold on. Hold on. I can get heathenistic on it. See again, that's, that's the problem that

that I have. You're saying it's heathenistic because I'm finding, I'm not finding back,

but I'm asking questions that should be asked. I'm asking questions because there are many

different, they're serving roast beef sandwiches in Roku city. Thank you. There's there's many

different books that have not been from prominent people that we've heard about in the Bible,

like the book of Mary Magdalene, the book of many different other prophets, not prophets,

many different other people that that were around the same time of Jesus Christ, that we're not

being put in the Bible because it shows Jesus Christ in a different light or it shows that

this these three things that happen in the Bible maybe happen a different way from somebody

else's perspective. So if we have that, what makes this not true and these true? I got your answer.

So we look at, we look at the Holy Bible and these different books and what you got to realize is

at surface value when you read these things unless you do the research is not going to tell you

exactly who the author is, the date, the times when it was written, you know, it's not going to

break it down in that way. No, of course not. Because these are letters, these are prophecies,

these are, you know, visions and these 1000s of your old documents. Right. That unfortunately,

the Bible is not going to explain in that way until you do your research. But what you can put

together and you're saying, well, why wasn't this included, you know, this and that? And the answer

is not simple, but the answer is basically you look at these books and these are like 40 different

men that are that are writing this and 40 different people that are that are writing this and

over years apart, some people have died before some people were born, some people were born with

other people have died. But what you can put together from all these books is they all have the same

unity of thought. They're all saying the same thing through God, but that God has given them this

where they're all talking about the same thing and everything is co-signing something from this

book, something from that book, and it's all in correlation with each other. You know, so

this book or what you're saying, the book of Mary Magdalene or whatever it is or the book of

whatever books are out there that they don't they're not sharing the same thought or their contradiction

that contradicting these other books in the Bible. So maybe this wasn't the words of God that this

was the words of man or the words of the person that was writing it, something that wasn't in the same

spirit. So unfortunately, it doesn't correlate with the rest of the Holy Bible. Well, there's a lot

of different, like you have the book of Enoch, which we're doing in episode on next season.

So you have the book of Enoch, which I was going to mention that book, but I didn't know if I was

going to get the punctuation right. So the book of Enoch, the book of Jubilee's, the book of Joshua,

the ascension of Asaya, the shepherd of Hermes, the apocalypse of Peter, these were all rejected by

major cannons because they don't correlate it. But why? Because they don't. It wasn't in the light of

God. It's contradicting something else that the Bible was saying that the Bible was teaching.

Now for you to do that, you would literally have to get a big, you know, pinboard whiteboard and

start putting these things and cross-sectioning everything to see why exactly this isn't correlating

to our Holy Bible that we know today. The Holy Bible that you can't debunk, the Holy Bible that

you can't prove wrong, the Holy Bible that proves itself over and over and over again, you can't

debunk it because what it says is perfect. It's God's Word, which were all put together. And it's

right here in front of me around 400 AD. Exactly. So this is 400 years after the apostles

themselves. Yes. This is 400 years after Jesus Christ. Yes. So and these are this is what makes

it miraculous. That's what makes it amazing. That's what makes it the Holy Bible. This is the

Council of Hippo and the Council of Carthage. That's what they affirm. What do you bring up Hippo?

I heard Hippo. The Council of Hippo in 393 and the Council of Carthage in 397 affirmed the New

Testament list we use today. Different branch of a Christianity made different choices about the

Old Testament books. All right. Early Christians didn't have an agreed upon Bible, a single agreed

upon Bible. Over time, texts that were widely used in worship and believed to have apostolic

authority became the core canon. And these gnostic and early Christian gospels as far as the

gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Mary, the gospel of Judas, even though Judas was an apostle,

the gospel of Philip, the infancy gospel of Thomas, most were written in the second or third

century too late to be from the apostles themselves. And they are often reflected as gnostic belief,

which is a mystical movement that mainstream Christianity rejected as heresy. The church

fathers argue that these texts didn't align with the teachings already recognize as authoritative,

which is by who these people got together, these councils. And they were like, these are the books

we have to follow. So man made the choice to make to say that these are the books we have to follow.

Jesus Christ didn't say that these are the books we have to follow. No, man did. So what makes

them so special that we have to believe in everything exactly said and leave live two reasons.

Number one, the Bible has never ever, ever, ever. There's no archaeological, archaeological proof cannot

be disproved. You can't disprove the Bible. You can't prove it either. Well, you can prove that if

you live by the teachings of the Bible, then when I'm not talking about the teachings, if you live

by the teachings of the front, that's because that is a more. It's like a story. Hold on to my point.

If you're you're proving my point for me, these are moral stories. These are moral stories to make

you live a better life as a human being. That's exactly what your point is going to be, right?

If you follow, I'm talking to him. Okay. Okay. If you follow the Bible, if you follow the Bible,

you will you it's a it's a blueprint to have a not so much a better life, but it's a blueprint to

walk in the shadow of your Lord and God. Okay. Wait a minute. No, no, no, you had your say, now shut the

fuck up. All right. I don't think she's just crazy. Love that. It's a blueprint. Okay. These other

books that you're naming. I mean, I mean, whatever books and everything, but you know what? These

are books that if you put them, if you put these chapters in this book, it's going to contradict

this chapter. It's going to contradict that chapter and it's not going to make that whole book

on big story. You're making my point for me. Not story in a sense of this is something that we came

up with. You know, so this author or let's say Moses, you know, because Moses is the one that

wrote Genesis, but obviously Moses wasn't there when, you know, God was saying, let there be

light and let there be this. Let there be that. This is something that was given to Moses, God

prophesizing and saying, this is what happened and Moses writing it down. You know, but Joey's

on the lines like, oh, well, this is a story or something that was made up, you know, to help you

live a good life, morals to take away from this and show that this is a Christian life. This is

what it's like to be a Christian, you know, which they weren't even thinking about in Christians

or being a Christian because being a, the word Christian is really the is something that was

given to us. It's not, Jesus didn't say, well, follow us and be a Christian. It wasn't a thing.

It wasn't a thing. You know, Jesus Christ was a Jew. So right, Jesus Christ was a Jew. He didn't

that Christian or Christianity were Gentiles. The Gentiles. So Christianity and any other religion

wasn't necessarily recognized at the time. So he's on, Joey's on the lawn of the lines of

that this was made up or that this is what's jotted down to show the readers, you know, that this

is the life of a Christian. These are the morals that we take away from. Instead of saying that

what the words that were jotted down is real. This is what happened. This is facts. This is

real life things that happen. He's looking at moral lines like this is a moral story. Can

Joey talk for himself? You got it? Yes. Moral based on things that did happen. Like you and I,

we sit there and we debate these Solomon Gamora story where now we have him is they reign fire

because they were, they were having butt sex in the city and it was a problem. It wasn't just

butt sex. They were doing a lot of wacky. A lot of a lot of wacky shit was happening and they

sit there and it was God wiped that fucker out. All right. He rained down the hell fire. Yeah. He

rained it down scientifically. The fucking heathen hour. It's not a heathen hour. Scientifically,

he was like, you know, you sit there and you're there to the place where it's supposed to be today

even though there's 10 different locations, 10 different locations. And there is ashes and

nothing grows there. And you know, there's proof that there's fire. There's proof that there's

this or proof that that. Okay. Scientifically speaking, around the same time in which this bible

was written or the story was written, there is proof that something from space did drop an asteroid

or something like that and burn down whatever the fuck was there. So we day. What was that, Joe?

How did this start? Something from space fell like happens. How did that happen? Anything you get

that you get there and do it can if you don't have an explanation for it, it's going to be God.

That's what this that's what the shrinking God theory is until we sit there and prove what

caused the big bang. But I don't understand because if you're sitting here saying, well, the bible

says that God reigned hellfire on Sodom and Gomorrah and wiped that fucker out, which is exactly

your words. And then you follow up saying, but there's scientific proof that an asteroid hit that

area and wiped it out. Who do you think sent the asteroid? It's nature. It's God.

I can't anymore. I just know it is. It is. When I tell you about Satan working crazy fucking ways,

but it's not what he does. That's what the devil does. He casts doubt. It's not doubt. It's not

doubts. I have hungry. I have my faith in God and I have my faith in Jesus Christ, but you can

sit there and be a logical person also. Not everything has to be, oh, you know, if you can't sit

there because it is a system up. It is a logical fallacy to sit there and say someone is going to wipe

you out if you don't believe them, but they love you. But this is God's judgment. Yes. Yes.

And this is Old Testament God. He was none to be fucked with. And you know, and you know, if you

read your bible, right, and you have faith in Jesus Christ, then you know what is to come. There's

more to come. Say, y'all are going to throw something at me when I say this, but to me,

it sounds y'all. Do we like to step over to base the Dixon line somewhere? It sounds very

hypocritical. And the reason I say that is because if I'm going to give you something,

if I'm going to give you example, free will, and you choose to express that free will,

and I'll wipe you the fuck out for expressing that free will. That's a problem. No, it wasn't meant

to express that free will as in whatever decision you make. I am going to I'm going to agree with

it. You know, the the Lord gave you this free will not as whatever you decide to do with this.

Good job, buddy. Thanks for using it. You know, no, it's if you're going against God because it's

it's clear as they what his message is, you know, what what the life of taking this walk in

faith with God, it's clear as what is he doesn't want you going around and, you know, same sex

marriage and, you know, slapping kids or beating up your wife or stealing from your neighbor.

This isn't what he wanted slapping kids is an option. Yeah, I think you need to hit this one.

Anyway, right, but he didn't want you to do these things. So you're going against God at this point.

You're using your free will to go against God to live live your life at your heart to desire.

Do you see my problem with that though? Because when you sit there and you go to Old Testament and

even into New Testament, compared to what we do today, everything that you sit there and start to

trickle it down. Oh, that's against God. That's against God. That's against God. That's getting

tattoos was against God. Getting this was against God, saying this was against God. When you start

to trickle down what you do, if you don't just sit there and pray and do whatever that it's

outlined, then that anything else that you do is against God, especially when it comes to Old Testament

shit, then you're sitting there and it's like, what can you do? That's not against God. Besides,

oh, you know, I'm going to sit down and pray and I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that.

Like, and that's exactly the message that Jesus Christ came down with that these these Pharisees

believe that they were perfect because they follow this law. So they believe that they didn't

live a sinful life that they were they were perfect. What they did was was was was was right,

you know, and exactly what you're saying is how can one believe such a thing and keep up with

this law? There were people that did believe that that they lived this law to a tee believing in

it and practicing it are two different things because when we're talking about the people of the time

who were the the the priests who ran the world basically at the time, the Jesuits and all

them. When you're sitting here and talking about they weren't at what time when Jesus was alive.

Okay, Pharisees. Yeah, the Pharisees and the high priests and all those type of people, they

believe they were perfect. Yes, because they thought they were living in the life of God when

there weren't exemplifying the life of God. That's the thing that that is the the hubris hubris.

Whatever the fuck you want to call it that they had in their head. So I can understand Jesus

coming around and saying, yeah, you you fuckers. No, that that's not that's you're not you're not

living in the life of God, even though you think you are literal God telling them that, you know,

they eat. I am the law of Moses. Right. Right. That you're you're you're you're straining out a

net, you know, you're straining out these people for whatever they got, these Jews, you're you're

straining them out to their to they give their lives. Meanwhile, you're into temples and you're

swallowing the camel, you know, and you're you're living this this life and you think you're

holy or the now, you know, so literal God is telling them to their face that you're not, you know,

these are God's people, you know, we're all deserving of God's love and you cast judgment on

these people and it's wrong. You know, this day and age, you know, we don't we don't have,

you know, Jesus walking around telling us that, you know, these these people at this time,

they had Jesus walking their earth and telling them that and they still didn't listen to them.

And guess what they did? They put them up on a cross for it. You know what I'm saying? So

at this point in age when Jesus passed on, he gave us a gift of holy spirit. This holy spirit is

now going to guide you and now is going to give you this conviction and it's going to it's going

to help you understand right from wrong, you know. So you got to understand that this point

in life back then, you know, when Jesus came about or before Jesus came about, God's judgment

was real. God was wiping out cities. God was wiping out people without warning and he was sending

prophets like Elijah. He was sending prophets to these people and sending out messages and these

people chose to ignore God. You give him chance after these people literally put their middle

fingers up and said, not I'm good. I don't believe in that. So my question to you, if you put

that into modern day terms, right, when you have someone like Moses or Elijah or these prophets

that came out and and did something like that and you put it to modern day, how do you think

their reception today would be? What would you sing in this world? People bombing the living crowd

about other people. But what I'm saying, if you have someone because in today's world,

let's just put it like this, even though I got the perfect answer. So a couple of weeks to go,

we had the African guy talking about the, what's him going to call it? The rapture. The rapture.

False prophet. What makes him a false prophet? Because he's contradicting the Bible. What he's

saying doesn't align with the Bible. The Bible tells us if you read it, it's all there. I'm telling you

it's all there. Beware of false prophets. Beware of false prophets. Beware of people that are saying

the opposite of what this gospel says. Therefore warning you that there will be people that will come

about claiming to be a, a, a prophet of God, you know, and they're going to say things that

doesn't align with this gospel. Beware of them. Jesus said to himself, not even I know the time.

Nor the hour. Nor the hour. So if Jesus is saying this, how come some man, where was he? South Africa?

South Africa. South Africa. Yeah, it's going to happen to this day this hour. I was tweaking out.

It's not aligning on what the Bible says. I understand that. But then you have people who, you have,

like, let's take an example of the Muslim Bible and Muhammad or the Quran. Yeah, the Quran.

Muhammad's a prophet. He's also dead in a tomb. And Muhammad also had relationships with children,

sexual relationships with children. Okay. If you want to talk about the time of where Jesus Christ

was, everybody was having relationships with children. And God casts his judgment and wiped out

cities and tribes because of this, because they chores, they chose to ignore God and his messages,

they chose to ignore it. And they got judgment before we could sit there and say that the life

expectancy was low. So marrying someone at 15, 14, what the fuck that got to do with God wiping out

cities? People don't die at the same time. All at the same time because of life expectancy.

This is, this is what you're going to get when someone or a group of people or whatever,

want to use modern day science and logic to wipe out what people have been ingrained with and

believed for millennia. Okay. They want to understand. They want to, you know what? I don't think

the thing is like the example of life expectancy, like I threw it on the wrong alley and wiped out

a whole city. Right. You can't, you can't take life expectancy and say, well, people died early.

That's why I'm not just wiped out. That makes absolutely no sense. That's not my example of it.

My example of you can't sit there and say, well, they were having sex with children. That's why

they were wiped out. Well, we don't know that number one. No one here was there. And the life

expectancy number one was way lower than what it is today. So people having relations with children,

marrying children, especially around those times, was normal. It was extremely normal. And it

happened all the way up until the 1700s, but it wasn't right. Like I said, but it, but if that,

if that was the case and God wiped those people out because they were having relationships with

children, then God should have wiped out people and the world 10 times over over, we shouldn't have

as many. I wasn't trying to flood at one point, wasn't it? I went that the entire world. No,

that's why that's why the animals were on the bottom. Hold on, hold on. Yes, that's right. Right.

Moses got or went around the world. Sorry, not Moses. No logic. No, Noah went around the world

and collected two of every animal. He did it. I actually came to him. Anyway, that's going to give

you your own answer. We don't know. We weren't there. Right. So, so you're saying, no, but this was

normal back then. This is, this is what life was like up until around the 16 1700s. Even modern day

now, what's normal now? Homosexuality is normal. Doing drugs is normal. Marijuana is normal now. You

know, you got all these things that contradict or go against God that are now normal. What do you,

I think, but I have a why I say, okay, homosexuality, but it doesn't make it right in the eyes of

the Lord. So what do you think is going to happen? What do you think is the Bible? What do you think

is going to happen now? Not God, but what do you think is going to happen now? We consider these

things normal today and today in our age, we consider these things normal, right? The Bible exactly

tells us what's going to happen next? The prophecy is what's going to happen to this world that it's

prophesized that God is going to come. Not, matter fact, I'll clarify for you. Jesus is going to come

and judge the world that is set as he uses the Lord's name. No, no, no, I mean, you know, sometimes

you got to say it. If you're going to make something imperfect, do not sit there and be surprised.

Not going to make it in perfect. It was perfect. It is perfect. Man is the one that's perverting it.

Why hold on? Why did man perverte it? Temptation. We can bring it back. Why does man have

temptation? We're going to bring it back. We're going to bring it back. We're going to test. We're

going to test. And who gave man three wills? I'm going to we're going to test Joey right now.

You ready? You've been you've been practicing, right? Which you think what you what you're saying

is right. What happened? What happened in the garden of Eden? Tell us what happened. You mean

the story of Adam and Eve? Tell us what happened. The snake tempted Eve to bite the apple and those

damn women always get men in trouble. The Eve bit the apple even though God said do not bite this

apple. And then who was there? Adam, Eve and the snake. Who's the snake? Well, Satan, obviously.

There you go. Okay. This is who created Satan. God said that system up. Okay, so we're sitting here.

You're talking about a person or not a person entity. Right. Notice how we're taking this way

back now. I wouldn't say an entity. I would say a deity. Right. Entity deity. That's the same thing.

All right. When you find I'll use your vernacular. A deity. Thank you. Who has created

imperfect things damned to defy him. Why would you do that? Why God? Why would God do that? Why

would God do that? Why would God create something that will defy question? It's a true question. He's

trying to get me. The thing is that God didn't do this. This is from original sin. Again, our first

sin, our very first sin did not happen in the garden of Eden. The first sin happened in heaven.

The first sin happened. Yes. You're going to look at me. What do you mean? What are you talking

about? The first sin happened in heaven. God created what we know is Lucifer. Right.

And actually, if you think about it in the Bible, doesn't it? Lucifer was his most trusted angel. Exactly.

He was created. He was created perfect. Created in the attention to worship. He created

another and he created Michael, the archangel and Michael. Yes, the archangel. Right. So this

was God's religion. This was this was God's creation. Was these angels? Yes. Again,

now Lucifer at the time created to worship found himself perfect to be more perfect than God. He

felt as if he needed to be worshiped that instead of God that he's more perfect and he's corrupted

these angels into thinking which is now our fallen angels demons. Right. And what happened with

Lucifer? He was casted out of heaven. Jesus said, I saw him fall like lightning from heaven.

It's all there. You could read it for yourself. How did Jesus see him fall? Exactly. And then you're

and then you go say, well, how? Because Jesus was there the whole time. Jesus, the Lord, the Holy

Spirit are all one. So now, so now you're going to start asking questions. Well, how did Jesus see

this happen? Jesus came about years from now. Exactly. Because it's all one in the eyes of the Lord

that God is a spirit. God is not man. So again, he was there. I saw Jesus fall from heaven like

like I saw Lucifer fall from heaven like lightning. And so did all his fallen angels come along with

them. Right. So there you go. God's creation, Adam and Eve was was corrupted by Lucifer, by the

serpent, by Satan. And God's rule to Adam, Eve was do not eat from that tree. Do not eat that fruit.

What did Adam and Eve do? They got tempted by the serpent, Eve ate the apple, Eve shared it

and said, it's okay, Eve from it. And there goes our corruption. That's how it started.

Anyway, it's ready now. Yeah, I guess we can end that this there. Oh, I mean, I gotta get some

sleep here. It's on point. I'm just gonna go on all night. It could. You could go on and on and on

because you can question anything about the Bible you want. However, it's faith that's going to

lead you to follow the Bible. You can I can look at the. No, no, no, no. Here we go. It's faith

that will lead you to heaven, not to follow the Bible. I have faith. I have faith in God. I have

faith in Jesus Christ. I don't have faith in the Bible because there's no way to get the faith

from because somebody told you that Jesus is a son of God. You didn't see him. You weren't at the

hospital and signed the registry. No, have faced out these people that told you this. But I

also have common sense. No, no, no, no, no, I want you to prove to me right now at this

instance, I want you to prove to me that George Washington walked this surf and he was our first

president. We have data and DNA proof. I got that too. You have DNA proof. Yes, I do. Where?

Shrouda Torrin. Shrouda Torrin. That's not DNA proof. Yes, it is. They ran DNA on it.

Yes, it is. They did. Oh, now we're going to. Oh, wait, wait, he wasn't ready. He wasn't ready.

Hold on. Let him type on his computer because his computer leaves his life right now, his

spiritual life. No, it's it's called. Yes, you have to have, you know, you can't just sit there

and go, Hey, well, you know, that's enough. There is no DNA proof of Jesus Christ. The shot

Shrouda Torrin was not DNA proof. Whoever told you that lied. Well, then maybe maybe those

scientists that you thought you would just such faith in actually lied. So maybe they lied,

now they lie about everything. Well, the Shrouda Torrin, let's go through it. The Shrouda

Torrin is a lending craft that some believe was burnt. Jesus was buried it. There is an image

on it resembling crucified man. Some tests in 1980s dated back to middle ages while other

researchers have questioned those results. DNA has been extracted from the craft cloth, but it

shows a mix of modern ancient contamination from hundreds of people over the centuries.

The only people in here. Exactly. No DNA from the Shrouda can be proven to belong to Jesus Christ.

Oh, it's big. So when you sit there and say the Shrouda Torrin has DNA proof of Jesus Christ,

that is not that's where your faith comes in. That's where your faith comes in. I'm fine with

have that's fine. Faith is different. But to sit there and say there is proof, you cannot say that.

What is your definition of faith? What does your computer, your spiritual leader there tell you

about faith, the definition of faith? First of all, faith is to oneself. The definition of faith,

not what it means to you. But okay, so I will Google the definition of faith because that's what

you're asking. I got five minutes and I had to depart because our young king is playing

tomorrow and I don't want to miss it. Faith, I forgot about that. The now it's a belief,

the ascent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another resting solely and implicitly

on his authority and the veracity. Okay. Reliance on testimony. Okay, does it mention anywhere in

there that we need that we need proof. We need evidence that it's we're relying on evidence. Anything

in that definition that mentions solid 100% proof in evidence? That's where the difference is.

It's not there. When you sit there and say, I have faith that it belongs to Jesus Christ. I'm

not going to argue with you. Right. Because that is a personal thing. You could have faith. Right.

But to all 100% say with undeniable reliance to say this is Jesus Christ's DNA is factually wrong

because no one has DNA of Jesus Christ. You can have faith that it is, but which is fine to have

faith that it is. I'm not saying it's you're 100% wrong. What I'm saying is you are wrong to say

this definitely belong to Jesus Christ. When you when you want to talk about DNA, you can run a DNA

panel on anything. However, if you have nothing to compare it to, it's just DNA. It could tell you

what nationality person was or what color, you know, was body characteristics or whatever.

Now you tell me to try to turn head to 10,000 or it's all mixed up. Of course it was.

You know, how many times that thing has been handled before they actually put it in that glass case?

Now, you're right. You're not going to get a DNA, a DNA match with Jesus because nobody's found the

hair, the hair of Jesus, excuse me, to run a DNA sample on. Right. But you think up his bones.

You're only you're only pointing out we can nitpick all day, but you're not picking on the DNA part.

But the shadow torn what makes it so amazing is that it is showing this image of a crucified man,

a crucified man that matches up perfectly what the Bible says. But how are we getting that image?

That image is our scorch on to that cloth. That image has came from something else, a light,

a energy that has etched itself on that cloth because that that that's perfectly depicts a image

of a mass something that hasn't been replicated something that we can't do without destroying a

cloth with destroying a linen. So this is still amazing in itself, but we're going to nitpick and

say, well, I can't exactly, you know, point that to a man named Jesus Christ because we don't have

his blood samples and we don't have his medical records and we don't have his death certificate

because the tomb is empty. We can't do it. We don't have his body. We don't have his bones. We

don't have any of that because you go to his burial place. It's empty. He ain't there. You can't

find them. You're not going to have this 100% proof, this 100% facts, you know, because you're

not going to get satisfied in that way. The same way, I'm not going to get satisfied that George

Washington was a real person because I got to rely on man and I got to rely on this and that's

where you're struggling at two is, oh, I can't believe this because man wrote this and man said,

this and it was passed on through all these men. There's a different, we have DNA evidence of

George Washington. Exactly. We have proof that George Washington was a real person and walk the

earth. Right. The only proof that Jesus Christ walked the earth is in religious documents. That's

it. No. There is no reason Roman documents as well. There's no proof of that because all the Roman

documents are burned down and the fucking, the burning, you have different ways of God. Everything's

gone to this guy. You have different ways of documenting things. You're talking about, you know,

2000 years ago now, I was just 3000 years ago when Jesus walked the earth. How on earth are you

going to document something that way? So, so, so, so what you're telling me then? No, no, no, no, no.

But so, so what you tell me then is to have faith that it is and that. And Sutonius and the Jewish

historian Josephus. These sources, though often hostile or brief, confirm the existence of Jesus

and his early followers and acknowledge his crucifixion under Pontius Pilate. Other sources include

the Babylonian Talmud, a letter by Mara Bar Sarpionian and other writings of Pliny the Younger.

There you go. Tacitus mentioned that Emperor Nero blamed Christians for a fire in Rome and that

the same, the name Christians came from Christus who suffered the extreme penalty during the reign

of Tiberius at one at the hand of one of their procured, hello, procurators, Pontius Pilate.

Sutonius noted that Claudius expelled Jews from Rome because they were continually making

disturbances at the instigation of Christus, a likely reference to Christ. Pliny the Younger wrote

a letter to Imperial Trajan about early Christians who sang hymns to Christ as to a God.

Thalus, an early non-Christian writer whose work is lost but often quoted by another historian,

is believed to have referenced Jesus and the darkness that occurred after his crucifixion.

Josephus, a Jewish historian who mentioned Jesus twice in his work Antiquities of the Jews,

one passage described Jesus as a wise man and mentions his brother James through scholars,

those scholars debate whether these passages are authentic or later interpolations.

The Babylonian, the Babylonian Talmud contained several possible references to Jesus,

including a passage stating that he was hanged on the eve of Passover and was a sorcerer who led

people astray because there's going to be, because there's not just good texts of Jesus,

there will also be bad texts of Jesus relating to the same man, who's proving his existence.

Okay, so if you're going to sit there and have other sources, wait one more, one more, one more.

More bars, that means a Syrian prisoner who wrote a letter to his son that references

their refers to the execution of the wise king of the Jews and ongoing impact of his teachings.

And that was a non-Jewish non-Christian source, a Syrian prisoner who wrote to his children

about Jesus at the time of his crucifixion. So do you believe in any of them?

If I do, then that means Jesus Christ had a brother then, if it's exactly what she just said.

Okay, so that's thrown away because that disproves what the Bible says then,

what it says, because the Bible Jesus was known to trial.

Does somebody say Jesus had a brother? Yeah, is that what you said?

So that disproves what the Bible said then. So what makes that historical text not right

and the Bible right? Do you see my point here? But the other text that she read is said that Jesus

was a sorcerer and we know that Jesus wasn't a sorcerer. So that's what I'm saying. You're going to

have text that doesn't make any sense just like these books that you brought up, the book of Enoch

and the book of this and the book of Mary Magdalene, that doesn't make any sense because they don't

correlate, they don't correlate to what the Holy Bible says. Well, if you look at from the point

of the opposite side, we're cutting the fat and we're getting rid of it. Well, think about it

this way. If you look at the point of the other side where someone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ,

he looks like a sorcerer. If he's performing these miracles and it goes back to the time of the

witches, you know, someone a fire burst out by mistake in front of a woman. Now she's a witch.

Like people who sit there and think, oh, that's fucking weird. This guy's doing something weird

and I don't believe I don't follow him. Oh, he's a sorcerer. It's something bad. So it proves

that Jesus was doing something weird at the time that is weird, which in the Bible says his

miracles. But if we're going to believe that and we're going to throw away that some other historical

documents that say Jesus Christ had a brother and say, I mean, it is referenced in the Bible,

Matthew 1355 and Mark 63, both claim that Jesus had siblings whose names were James, Judas,

Joseph and Simon. But it's also they're also apostles, they're disciples of Jesus. So were

they siblings or were they not because Catholics believed that the bless of Virgin Mary was a

perpetual virgin and she didn't bear any children others in Jesus Christ. So that's the Catholics

view in other Christian in other forms of religion like Protestant and other views that Jesus did have

brothers and brothers and two unnamed sisters. So religion is like, you know, we talk about ghosts

and stuff like that a lot in this program. What is the old added with ghosts? You can't see, you can't

prove. Okay, to a believer, you don't need any proof. It's right in front of you. It's what you

choose to believe to a skeptic. There's never enough proof. And that's exactly what religion now,

we're sitting here now. We're coming out of from one end and you're what if what if what if that

means? Well, we don't know. You know, you have questions, but you don't know as well as we both

don't know, but why can't I tell you one thing? I can pick up the Bible tomorrow and I can read the

Bible. I know that the Bible's there. Okay. Now again, which Bible? They all lead back to the same

place. Exactly. You can throw that wrench into the month. Look, my man. I got you. I got your

solution. I say, do you believe that that Jesus Christ had brothers and sisters? Jesus Christ

had brothers and sisters. Yeah. I believe Jesus Christ is, you know, anything's possible with him.

You know, if you have brothers and sisters, then you know, it is what it is. Is it a game changer

if he did have brothers and sisters? No, you know, because what this what what he's done,

doesn't that doesn't disprove anything that Jesus Christ did. Not talking about Jesus Christ,

but it is a game changer because that means there is a bloodline of Jesus Christ and that can be

something that has happened. There is a bloodline of Jesus Christ. David, the first fucking page of

the book of Matthew. Of course, there's a bloodline of Jesus Christ. It's in the book of Matthew.

It's in there. Again, I'm not taking. He wants to. I am not. He wants to fucking. He wants to

depart the coroner to come in. And I don't want to hear the emotional excuse so that the

book of Matthew is written by man. The book of Matthew is written by Matthew, who was Jesus

disciple. He was the scribe of Jesus Christ. Yes, but again, with Jesus Christ, these these books have

been translated over time. Translations to a dead language. Okay. All right, judging on all this

and that's great. It's been a great conversation. We're never going to prove our points. Nobody's

going to be right. Nobody's going to be wrong. However, it's a matter of how you want to interpret

your life going forward. I rather pay because I acted the way I view the Bible. Okay, that's great.

And that's wonderful, but I choose to believe the Bible for what it says. I have questions about

the Bible, too. Kate and Abel. Well, we're came up to Kate and Abel. I have those questions.

Well, you can't have questions, though, but I can have questions. Oh, yeah, you can. Oh, yeah,

you question the Bible. You got this question. Yeah. This is this this type of conversation. And

what I believe is exactly what, like how you're meant to have these conversations, the skepticism and

the, I believe in this, but I don't believe in that. And why did this happen? But this didn't. And

if this actually happened, then why do we have this now? These conversations are meant to happen

because this is the only way that people learn more about God. And it's the only way that people

are like, well, maybe I will open a Bible tonight. And it's literally God's work. And the Bible

speaks about the same exact thing. When you shut off your heart, when you harden your heart,

there, there's nothing else that can be done. You know, there's, there's hard and not your heart.

You know, be open to this, be open to faith, be open to forgiveness, be open to, to, to these

questions, you know, be open to it as soon as you shut off your heart. And as soon as you

start relying on your flesh and you start relying on logic and science and this and that,

then, you know, you're, you're shutting yourself out from, unfortunately, from, from God, you know,

you know, because it, it does require your faith. It does require, you know, not seeing the,

the unseen, you know, not, not seeing it. You weren't there in person. So it's not going to make

a hundred percent sense to you. It's, it's not, you know, the most you can do is you,

you read your Holy Bible, you know, you, you take it for what it is, you go through this New Testament,

you learn the gospel and you, you, you deep in this relationship with the Lord, you know,

and I said, look, I, I think the solution for you is simple, you know, I, I don't know if you

have this sense of confusion or you're, you, you just want these questions answered. And I could

tell you that you're going to feel a lot better if, you know, just in private, you talk to the Lord,

you ask the Lord, look, help me understand this. I want to, I want to be more, I want to understand

this more. And the, and God will reveal to you these things. And this could be God trying to nudge

you in a way with this conversation like, you know what? It's time for you to get real. It's time

for you to let down your guard and be open to this and read the Bible for what it is. Stop relying

on what man says because it's true what you're saying. Man puts his twist on things. And that's my

problem that, you know, with the Catholic church and all these denominations of everything,

Muslims, whatever it is, this is, this is the problem when man gets involved, when flesh gets

involved, they start to twist things into what they want, you know, instead of right. Exactly.

Instead of listening to what the Lord have said, it's there on the paper. They literally,

that was written by man. They literally take the text and they put it in a different color. They

put it in red. Jesus is worse. They put it in red for you. And if you don't believe the Bible

that you bought off Amazon, look on your computer there because that's what you've been looking at

the whole night, right? Look on your look on your computer. I've read a Bible. The dead see scrolls

and look at what they say. They got the pictures up there too. You can open up that, you can open

up that computer and you could try to disprove me all you like because that computer is going to give

you thousands and thousands of links to different articles of what this man said and what that man says

and what this, this document says and what this person said at that time. But you have not once

opened up the Bible on your computer to tell me what Jesus has said. You have not once did that.

You have you have opened up faith that Jesus said this. Right. But you're not using Jesus's words.

You're not even using the Bible, my man. I get the thing is you said it perfectly. You said stop

relying on what man has done. What flesh and bone and yes, that's exactly what you do when you read

the Bible. No, yes, because man wrote the Bible. I got one one last question. I'm going to leave

you with this question. I'm going to ask it. I'll talk about the mic. Okay. I'm going to say to you

you can question the Bible. You can question anything about anything. There's one question that

everyone has, whether you believe in Jesus, whether or except with the guys don't believe in God,

don't ask this question. At the end of the day, who created God? Everybody asks that same question

whether you're Catholic, Jew, Gentile, non-denominational, Baptist. Okay. You will sit there. You know

what you're going to see here? There's no answer. There is no answer, but there is an answer.

So we're not supposed to know that answer. And with all the scientists that you can come up and you

can question, well, it might be because of sky. No, you don't have it. There's nothing you can

justify. There's nothing you can sit there and tell me that, well, you know, in the laboratory,

they put this together and then, you know, God just came out of the test tube. You have to go back

to a beginning. And the only way you're going to find that out, the only way you're going to find

that out is when you walked or you walk hand in hand with Jesus on the other side of this life,

and you're going to learn all about the mystery. And it will all make it. And we want to have some

fucking idiot sitting there going, what if what if what if what if what if what if I'm going home?

I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine with all of that. Completely fine. And you're absolutely right.

I agree. I agree. 100% with you. None of that, though, comes out of a 450 page book called the

Bible. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what else to say. This is a conversation that you guys

have probably had in your home and in your church or in your satanic temple or wherever you choose

to pray. However, see, I love how I know as long as you've got the two words that are always going

to be present in anything is going to be what if because the world is full of what ifs.

When the when the world gets around to saying, oh, that's it. Or that that I believe what's in

front of me that will never happen. Of course, I won't happen. I hope you don't want to say what

is. We start wrapping the shit up. I hope there's a day that doesn't happen because if we stop

asking the question, what if society stops? You can just ask, what if all night? We can just sit

here tomorrow till cadence game and we're still going to be what if what if we didn't cook it at 350?

What if we did this? What if I didn't take a piss? What if we ever took a shit I'd bust?

You're going on. You're going on to I am I ladies and gentlemen, as a founding member of this

program. I enjoyed this program tonight, but I must say I am exhausted now and I must leave you

with these words. Good night. What if I took a shit I bust? So I will sit here and look for

sure. Have a good night. So before we wrap up tonight's show, next week we're going to go back

to where it all started. Shadow people. Yes, if you've been rocking with us since the early days

is this really you know, this is one of our first topics that we have tackled. But this time we're

not just telling stories, we're digging deeper, new encounters, new theories, and some terrifying

experiences we didn't cover the first time around. The figures at the end of your bed, the whispers

when you're alone, the ones you swear you saw out of the corner of your eye, they're back and

so are we. Big Joe, Pope Tony will not pope anymore about Tony, Roblox, I, hopefully Cito, maybe T and

Isaiah are taking another trip into the shadows and trust me, this one's going to get a lot darker.

So next week on Isis Roll, we revisit the shadows. Are they real or just watching?

See you next time. Remember everybody, question everything. Good night.