S2E19: A Non-Speaker and A Family Secret | Talk Tracks

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Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the talk tracks.

In this series, we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected

truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that we've

together are understanding of reality. Science, spirituality, and, yes, even unexplained

things like side abilities. If you haven't yet listened to the 12th of the tapes,

I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring

in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers,

thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections

that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.

In today's episode, we hear from an incredible family in Rockville, Maryland.

Ethan is 24 years old and he was finally unlocked when he began spelling his thoughts on a letterboard

at the age of 18, and like many families that you've heard on this podcast,

spelling his thoughts on a letterboard opened a door. That door led somewhere unexpected.

Along with poetry and complex communication, Ethan began describing connections to ancestors,

a spiritual plain similar to what others have called a hill, and experiences of telepathy within

his family. A secret they kept locked away. They even joked that before they heard the stories

of other families via the telepathy tapes, they thought they were alone and leading a double life

because of it. In this episode, you'll hear from Ethan's parents and siblings about diagnosis,

doubt, belief, and what changed when Ethan finally had a reliable way to communicate.

But you'll also hear from Ethan himself. I should note, the whole family was together recording

this episode over Zoom, which was so fun. And Ethan was often up and down in and out,

so you'll hear him in the background at times. First, his sister Madeline gave me a brief

introduction to the family. So right now we're in Rockville, Maryland, which is where my parents live

with Ethan and Jack. We all grew up here and now kind of have gone our separate ways, but always

come home and I think Ethan's definitely what brings us all back together home. Ethan's mother

Jennifer describes what it was like with Ethan from the time he was born. So Jennifer, when did

you start to notice that Ethan might be different from other kids? It was pretty obvious right away.

For some, you know, he was my third and fourth. So it was a twin. He was just so flat and helpless

that I thought he was going to you die in his sleep. So I had one twin in the bedroom and one

twin next to my bed. It's like you just know something's not right. You never tried to eat,

never. It was an easy baby, but there was something flat. And then he was diagnosed pretty early on.

And for you, when you got the diagnosis, I mean, was it pretty hopeless or were you given any

shred of hope that you'd have a connection with him someday or that he'd be in there? It was

pretty hopeless because right away they said send him to school, do ABA. And I was like, I'm not

comfortable. I didn't want to send my other kids to preschool. So they didn't, there's no options

out there for you to do it on your own. Ethan started spelling when he was 18 years old. How did

that change you just to meet him for the first time? And I felt terrible because I really treated him

sort of like my baby. I'm just speech therapy. I took him to OTI. I tried to, of course, get him to

talk. But when it didn't happen, I was like, I'm okay with this. He's my baby and he's with me.

And everyone, you know, acts like, oh, we knew he was so smart. We didn't really know he was so smart.

I knew that, you know, he was logical. He wasn't going to maybe walk into traffic. But once he

started to talk, it's horrible. You can see he was smarter than anybody right from the get go. I mean,

he would just make jokes about commercials on TV. I'm like, how are you making a pun about

a commercial? How are you? He would read these poems and there'd be a great God. I mean, and he

didn't really go to school. He was homeschooled. Everyone's like, oh, we were such a good teacher.

I wasn't. We watched TV. We watched baby tapes. You know, we sang together. We went to the park

all day because that's what he did. We went to the pool all day. For many non-speakers, the school

system is not a viable option. For Ethan, he was unable to sit still at all. His mom worked with

him and tried to meet him where he was at. He spent many days walking or running at parks, swinging

endlessly or swimming. All of that movement was necessary for him to feel regulated enough to

attend therapy sessions and speech or occupational therapy or music therapy and eventually RPM

which helped him form the motor pathways to spell out his thoughts on a letterboard. Once Ethan

started spelling, his family finally started getting to know him in a very different way.

Here's his sister Madeline on her early experiences with his typing. So when he started typing,

I was obviously really excited and I would get like really short messages from him and his

communication partner at school. Like, I would wait at the computer and be like, oh my gosh,

what is he going to say? It felt like an overnight click of we were able to type together.

I went to one session and observed his communication partner and she kind of walked me through

how to assist him, how to hold the iPad and then it was like, boom, we figured it out. It was like

all of his observations of our family, all of the like interpersonal relationships he has with

all of us. Family drama, funny story is like everything from our past, he was able to kind of

tap into and we just like talked for hours and hours and hours. When Ethan started spelling to

communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard, he revealed a love for poetry writing. His poetry

was super exciting for me because in my knowledge, I was the only artist in the family. I was like,

I always need you in my favorite person, but you're this amazing poet and we can sit and talk

about art and how we create. I always loved Ethan so much, but then to like crack open this whole

other side of him was just incredible to see how amazing he truly is. Yeah, that is so incredible.

Do you have a favorite poem that he's written that you want to share? Yeah, I think my favorite poem

of his is I am a tree. This one is one of the first ones I assisted typing and just I just felt

such like pride and amazement as I was just watching him type. One letter at a time, this like

amazing poem with very little edits. Here's Madeline reading the poem. This is I am a tree. I tower

over humanity, stoic and strong on the outside lonely and longing on the inside. I know laughs

from cries. I know your friends and soulmates. I live for your gossip and gawk in the face of your

enemies. I have wisdom behind my bark. Know the air you breathe comes from my love for you.

Providing is a thankless job. My life provided air to your ancestors. I watched them grow.

I've been standing on this earth since before your first breath. I have eyes and ears that

live through many more decades than you have existed. My heart breaks for those who can't see

my domination over our ecosystem. They only pay attention to me if my leaves change color too early.

If the buds of my flowers forget to bloom, look beyond the limbs peeling and broken saplings.

Look beyond the hungry parasites that invade me. There is love in God's design.

My roots are dug so deep into the earth. My creation was not a mistake. Love is in the veins of

being from heaven and earth while you are here. Be kind to the trees. I love that. Wow. I love it too.

It's also he's super tall. He thinks like six four. So we always kind of joke that he towers

over us. So I love the parallels of like him being so tall and comparing the trees of just

cowering over everyone with the wisdom that they have. I love it. Beautiful. Well you've shocked

that there was this poet in there. It was overwhelming. Ethan's typing skills took off around 2020.

And then he slowly began revealing to the family his telepathic ability and so much more.

He kind of waited to introduce the telepathy at like part to me bringing up kind of things that

happened in my life that I haven't told people. Even things of like being bullied in middle school.

He's like, oh, I can give you insight on that. I can give you insight about this thing that

happened in college about my performances, my head, I studied music. So like my head spaces and

performance and how I would get nervous like all of these things. One time I sat down and he could

tell I was thinking like, can you read my mind? Like how am I ever going to tell people if he can?

Because this is a little bit crazy. And so I was having these like almost doubts and thoughts.

He sat in the next meeting. He was like, you're thinking of eating this for lunch. You're thinking

about this story from the past. He goes, and you're thinking about this boy on hench who you

want to kiss. And I was like, I was like, Ethan, I was like, how do you know that? He's like a part of

life you went on a day. I know this. And he told me details of like someone's profile. And he

tell you how he knew it. Like if you could see through your eyes or just click into your mind.

Like how did he say he knew the profile, the hinge profile? He just had a description and it was

almost like he did see it through my eyes just because of how just clear it was so like simple to

the point. But his abilities didn't end with telepathy. I happen to be really into dreams. I think

they're super fascinating. And something I would do every morning is I would wake up and I would

just as a conversation started to be like, Hey, Ethan, what did you dream about? And we would

type about his dreams. And then he mentioned, you know, I see angels in my dreams. And he said,

my angels, and he named three names. And I didn't know one of them. And I was like, huh,

what were their names? My great grandma, Nanny Jean, my great grandma, Nanny Bert. And then he said,

Aunt Harriet. And I was like, who's Harriet? That's weird. And so I was like,

mom, who's Harriet? And my mom's jaw literally dropped. She was like, oh my goodness. Like that's

my other grandma sister who passed when I was really young. And I just didn't hear that name

a bunch. That was like, do you see these angels when you're awake too? And he was like, yes,

I do. I was waiting for you to ask. And it kind of even went a step further

that he was kind of more and more shared how intertwined we've been. And it was everyone

believing him or were you? I mean, I think belief in a family can take a while. And I've watched

this with many families. You know, sometimes just like a holdout. Like how did it go for all of you?

Like around the mediumship that's left. Even the competence, just believing that he was writing

those words. Totally. I think the typing everyone believed all along, everyone was on board.

He shared with me first the medium stuff and the top of these stuff, you know,

delved into psychics myself. So it made sense that he told me first. So when the swiping

tapes came out, like, do that and bolden you to talk more about it or like, how did that affect

your family's psyche? I mean, that's got to be so strange to be like, I'm alone and then be like,

whoa, this is a major, this is bigger than I thought. Yeah. So I thought it was really difficult

at first. I was like, I feel like I'm living with this major secret, like living a double life.

And we are really afraid to share with other people. There are so many people with

Catholicism who dotted just the typing period. So it was really scary to, first of all,

like, it stings when people have those doubts. But then when you're getting these amazing poems

and messages, we were so scared to share because like, you didn't want anyone to like jab at

this amazing experience we were having. Honestly, like the first two years, it felt like my whole

family was in this secret club together. So it's really amazing that the telepathy tapes came out

when I did. I was curious what Ethan's parents had to say about all of this. Here's Ethan's mom,

Jennifer again. How is all this changed? This is all very new to me, but I wasn't as soft as my

husband. The minute he said it, there was no question. Like, of course, and there were always weird

things. I mean, having a child with autism was really hard, but there was something about Ethan

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would just get himself up and get in the car. So it was like, it was almost like, you know, he was

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dad, listen, your Aunt Harriet's here. She has blonde hair and blue eyeshadow and she talks to me.

And my dad just starts crying. And he's like, what? And my dad is one of those people who's,

you know, I would say very earth based science based logical dad. So I was so relieved and happy

that he kind of could use this amazing example to instantly hook dad because Ethan never met

Harriet. Here's Ethan's dad, Joe. It really was Aunt Harriet that sealed the deal for me.

I was very close to her. It's my mom's sister. And she was like the fun and I always wished that

the kids had met her and spent more time with her. And it was just wasn't in the card she died

when she was like 70, but she was like a very close confinon. And then when my wife showed me Ethan's

typing and said, you know, I talked to spirits and I talked to nanny Gina. I'm like, okay, that's

whatever. I wasn't believing at that point. And I talked to nanny Bert and that's my father

and law's mother. So it was a great grandmother. And then he said, I think it was in this nice

lady named Harriet. And I was like, oh my, because there's just no way. I've not spoken about this

person. And he never seen a picture of her. Never. Wow. And he described her to T and in a way,

the way he put mediumship in the way that he talked about her or when she was quote unquote

visiting with us, her personality just came out. Was it words that she said or like expression

she used? The words she said to me because I was doubting. She called me by my nickname that no one

really knew and exposed that, which was chap, C-A-G-K. And then I forget what I was saying. I was like,

come on, this is just, you know, I can't believe this. And she goes, um, please stop because I'm

talking to you from the fucking dead exact words. Okay. And I was like, oh my god, that's just

that's her. Wow. What a gift. Yeah. Madeline tells us another story that helped convince her

dad of Ethan's mediumship abilities. Then another example was our uncle Arnold who passed. He

recalled fishing stories that him and my dad shared that no one would know. What would be an

example of one of the fishing stories he's spelled? Oh gosh. Like, you know, someone got seasick

and someone threw up off the boat. Someone did number two off the boat. Like funny things that,

I mean, only people who were there would recall you don't come home and say, hey, I threw up off the

boat. But Ethan's laughing saying, you know, uncle Arnold told me, you know, you almost had an accident

on the boat. This shocked Ethan's dad Joe. Here he is, recalling the fishing trips in question.

It would be my father-in-law, Arnold, or friend of my father-in-laws and my brother-in-law.

And it was just men being, you know, jerks out in the middle of the ocean. We would drive

50 miles out to sea to try to catch big fish. And we were terrible fishermen. And it was just,

we just make it fun in each other the whole time. So Arnold would bring up these stories about,

I always got seasick. Be getting sick. Or, you know, my father-in-law not knowing how to operate the

boat or going through a storm. And it was impossible for Ethan to know all this stuff because he wasn't,

he wasn't there. How did that change you or your view of the other side after life? Honestly,

I'm still very, very confused by it. And I struggle with it. But I'm much more accepting and much more

open to the aspect that there's more than one life and that being so, you know, have energy

and energy doesn't go away. It just transfers. Did you grow up underneath any religion or faith

philosophy or pretty agnostic? Pretty agnostic, I would say. I am not a religious person. I was,

I was forced to go to Hebrew school, but I, I was pretty cut and dry and pretty black and white.

I didn't think there was a god and I figured when you died, you died and, you know, you just,

you were sleeping forever and that was it. That's got to be just unbelievably mind-altering to start

hearing the stuff. Was the telepathy like, was that just like, what the heck? Or did you,

do you think of that? Was that harder to believe? Compared everything else, the telepathy was easy

to believe in. First off, his typing to me was just amazing in the sense that we never knew he could

read. And when he went to, he just started typing. And to me, that was like the big kind of, okay.

This is for real because I never knew he could read. And he's writing and his vocabulary was

that of a 50-year-old. Yeah. It's someone who has lived, like, like, really lived and the way he

used his words and the way he delivered his poems. You know, he wrote a poem about my wife.

Who's it called? You're my angel? My mother is an angel. My mother is an angel. Ethan's poem,

my mother is an angel. It can be heard on our backstage pass. But I've got to tell you,

this has been the last six years, it's been just, I'm a lucky guy. There's times I still don't believe

it. But then Ethan has a really neat way of just bringing me back, not down to earth, but

up to beyond. I was curious if Ethan had ever brought up going to the hill. Has he ever brought

up the hill? When you guys heard about that in the 12th of the tapes, what did you think about that?

Here's Ashley. He's always called it the plane, but it's the same concept as the hill.

More basically, he can communicate with people who are both dead and alive.

Some of, like, people who are spiritual, who he knows, he can communicate with on the hill.

But I think it's our dead ancestors who he communicates with. When did he first talk to you about

the plane? Like, was this part of your family's secret before you realize there's others out there?

Yeah. He kind of brought that up as soon as he told us he was a medium. That was this place he

went to and he could communicate with people telepathically and that it was his voice without

having a voice, if that makes sense. It's so remarkable. And he said that other non-speakers were

there. It does sound like it's the hill. The way Ethan describes it is very similar and it is a

lot of it is based on love and appreciation and acceptance. The family has also revealed. Ethan

has expressed having extensive knowledge about his past lives. Here's Ethan's mom. He remembers

all his past lives. Oh, so it says this life to be special because he says this is his last one

and this is his hardest life. This is his first life with autism. This is his first life as a medium

and he needs to make it special and he feels bad when he stole from our family. We didn't

really go on vacation. We didn't go to restaurants. We stayed home. When did he start bringing

it past lives and how was that for you to like my handle? It doesn't bring it up so much now because

there's so much other stuff but it's just it's unbelievable. And he knows our past lives too. Wow.

Does he say if you all were together in each life? He was always with Madeline, myself, and Jack,

the twin. But they were never twins but they were always together and he was never autistic like

this is all. He sounds crazy to say but yeah it is interesting because it comes up a lot from a lot of

non-speakers. Some of it's scary but he knows how people passed. He knows how he passed in his last

life. He knows how his brother passed and some of the ways that we have passed it shows the things

that we're anxious about now. Give me an example that's fascinating. Here's Madeline again.

Our younger brother, Jack, is going to be afraid of the water and boats like forever. We would go on a

boat as his family and Jack would be like nope I'm staying home guys like you have fun. We

could not get into going a boat and Ethan shared that he passed from a boat accident in his last

life that he was like a sailor and it happened in a harbour and he was he was working on a big ship

and that he like tragically died. Another weird thing is he says sometimes in his dreams he goes

and he visits his last family before us like his soul does which is so fascinating.

In the family's initial email to our team they mentioned that Ethan had a near death experience

that affected him in a profound way. I asked if they'd share that story. Here's Ethan's older sister

Ashley starting it off. So the story started it kind of started with me and then ended more with

my mom and Madeline but the first time I went to typing school with Ethan I was asking him what

flavor cake he wanted me to make for my grandma's birthday and she wrote peanut butter. So for some

context Ethan's twin Jack has a very severe peanut allergy and we grew up in a completely

peanut free household so Ethan has never consumed a peanut in his life. So I was like Ethan like

I feel you you should try peanuts and I even confirmed with my mom that he had gotten

allergy testing with Jack when they were babies and he was an allergic then I'll pass them

like on to Madeline because the rest of the story says. So I was with my mom and Ethan was getting

a haircut and I think it's pretty universal. People with autism don't enjoy getting haircuts

and this was like a particularly rough one. My mom was like Madeline go walk over to Harris

Teter and get him a treat and I was like I have the perfect treat. Let me give him some peanut butter

M&Ms because he's been wanting to try them which was my mistake so I got the peanut butter M&Ms

and I walked back over to the Harris salon and I gave Ethan one and he loved it so he ate the whole

bag very fast. We thought everything was fine we left and my mom Ethan and I walked to the car

and Ethan kind of starts coughing but we don't really feel that alerted and then once we get into

the car we notice something seriously wrong like his face is bright red he has shortness of breath

and I remember like me and my mom locking eyes in the rear beam mirror and be like we need to go

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so we roll up to the ER Ethan runs right in he ends up just like collapsing on the floor

because at that point he was going in and out because he couldn't breathe he got an happy pen

and luckily like by the grace of something everything was fine but he was so close to death it was

such a close call thank god that he made it out and that he recovered and we got to go home that

night and once he really started typing at home he said when he was going through anaphylactic shock

I was in a waiting space it was beautiful I couldn't see beyond the gates but I could see mom and

Maddie I could hear you all my nanny jean gave me the push to get up I believe jean is my guardian angel

I know she was chosen for me she said get up so I did classic me running into the hospital

I'm known to take off running at odd times up there in heaven the angels told me to embrace the

letters they knew I could type we talked about my ability to communicate with the dead I saw heaven

and I came back twice I never take a day for granted I always thank god for each day I feel more

vulnerable after this experience things are gonna get better and they did and the nanny he was saying

was saying get up she's a living nanny or was she on the side she's past she's my great grandmother

okay because she he was collapsed in the car he was laying on my lap and we rolled up an

Ethan literally bolted inside and then laid down on the ground in the ER so he was saying that

your grandmother who's passed away was saying to him in the car get up like yeah and that will

him get up and run into the hospital yeah wow what a story is he talked about the future like

what are some of the things he wants to do or does he have any dreams or hopes here's Ashley yeah

we're currently working on writing a book so that's something he wants to do and mostly he I think

just wants to educate people on his experience being a non-speaker being autistic um to

love with the I think he just wants to normalize it um and help people understand

what his life is like and what others lives are like thanks to all of our listeners who sent

in questions to non-speakers via our backstage pass we sent some of those listener questions

and advanced to Ethan and I just want to remind listeners that we will be collecting all the

questions you submit over our backstage pass and continually asking those to all the non-speakers

that will be interviewing over the next few months now I know he wrote all these amazing answers

to some of the questions who wants to read those or do you want to get turn reading the questions

and answers he said he wants me and Ashley to read his answer okay um the first question is what

are the top three things you want humanity to understand and do in these times based on your

elevated perspective Ethan's response was be open-minded put humanity first doing good gets you

further than money and greed life is short compared to heaven hoping humans will act better knowing

this I love how love intertwines every thought I love my abilities so I can be a part of my family's

life regardless of my physical presence my life is important it gives me purpose to give spiritual

guidance to my family and friends God helps if you let him love is religion enough God can be

polarizing compassion and real love is the way so the second one is I've been working with autistic

non-speakers since September of last year doing RPM sessions I would love to know how to best

help my students some days I feel defeated and discouraged and think I'm not doing a good job

how can I improve or enhance my perception of what the students need sometimes I feel like they

are trying to connect with me but I can't receive the message so Ethan's answer is trust in your

instincts the answers are there listen to your mind big problem knowing the answers and ignoring

the instincts you will have no problem connecting once you trust that not all of your thoughts are

yours I love my rolling knowledge from spirits I love assisting in this by directly reading

that's a great answer okay number three is when you are on the hill have you been in the presence

of and are communicated directly with non-human intelligences and are you able to ask them questions

and receive clear responses if so why are they not openly disclosing their presence on earth

Ethan's response is I truly believe there is intelligence that goes beyond the human race

there are things you wouldn't believe they're word of mouth the hill is not a granted wonderland

that all of us go to it's what we make of it I can choose if I believe and who I can communicate to

I go to the hill I'm on it now I see dead people they gave me new perspectives on both life

and mortality life is fragile the fact that I will be dead longer than alive it makes me get up

every morning I want to talk about my life and prior lives I want to explain that the present

life is distinct from prior lives and feature lives and that we are temporary beings that have

the ability to be living multiple lives we have one soul that has many lives this is my only life

that I have been a medium and have autism beautiful so this is question for it's I've observed that

some non-speakers appear to demonstrate a form of knowing that it goes beyond typical intuition

in certain cases they may be able to participate future events or outcomes of the notable consistency

in a way that resembles predictive cognition or somewhat like perception from your perspective

how should this phenomenon be understood so Ethan says by seeing dead people I can predict some

future events every human on planet earth has a spirit guide even if they don't believe it

they are the compass that leads them to their placement in their unpredictable timeline they know

what will happen to them if they make a wrong turn and sometimes they are helpless to stop them

I know if something is going to happen to others their guides are not shy in fact they are all

the same blunt very direct and not always the most articulate but at the end of the day the

future is what we make of it I want people to know that they are not alone and making their futures

or reality the beautiful answer as he ever talk about the spirit guides of all of you in the family

like has he named them or that he can see them and what does he say about them yes he does so um

what he's shared is that me and Ethan are more creative brain so my name is Jean who was a

second-round earth she kind of helps me and Ethan and my nanny Bert guides Ashley and her daily life

so it's really cool to have that insight and it's cool to just you know in our average brains

we like hey thanks for helping me out or thanks for guiding me yeah and it really does at least

for me it really changes like the idea of like ancestors and their role in our lives you know

yeah totally it's really nice to to know that and to get that like validation

a hundred percent so does Ethan want to say anything like while he's he does he want to

communicate anything or have any messages he wants to share yeah I would love to share his last

response which is a little longer um we typed this out last night has a lot of good insight and then

yes we can totally go ask him if there's anything else he wants to call a lot he's like pacing

upstairs I can tell he's excited yeah so the last question is hello this question is for any of

you non-speakers I'm so happy that you guys have found your voice I've always been interested in

psychic abilities and would like to know how one can access such abilities what is the process

so Ethan says psychic abilities come when we are ready for them most people have intuition and dreams

start there I don't believe dreams are just our brains firing what is silly dumbed on way

of accepting science over spirit both exist together dreams are where to start meditating

regularly helps tremendously open your abilities start accepting magic before demanding spiritual

our minds are radio stations that are tuned to what we choose normal people have too many

distractions to fully connect meditation calms our bodies so we can hear what flows through us

abilities are grown by building trust with the universe a city of new faces exists beyond our

minds barriers barriers of reason will creep in and say it's fake I assure you it's real my

encounter with spirit was scary my uncle Arnold died and I saw him in my room I hit under covers

he told me many stories about fishing with my dad he got me through many frustrating moments in

childhood I grew up talking to him in heaven while I couldn't talk to my family on earth my friends

dad died tragically when I was eight he was very spiritually inclined on earth and taught me to embrace

my spiritual gifts my family is always around guiding my siblings nice great grandmothers take care

of me now I'm open to everyone past and alive I hear Maddie like an angel on earth she's open

magic is a part of our world God doesn't care if you believe or not he's there your past

loved ones are two my gift on earth is powerful it is hard to live in my body my mind is where I stay

my life is metaphysical communication not a choice for me my purpose my goal is to help others with

my gift I hope I can bring peace to those who need it my spirits do that for me my gift is not

unique others have access to this I love you listeners thanks for supporting my community I love

you I love this opportunity to be heard I love that so much great answer yeah it's beautiful and it's

I love how it kind of encompassed a lot of what we talked about already at this point the

stutter family carried the laptop upstairs to Ethan who mentioned earlier he wanted to spell for

this part of the interview hi Ethan I just want to see if you want to say anything else I loved

everything you've written it's so beautiful Ethan was laser focused spelling on his bed about the

opportunity to speak to all of you listeners for this interview the might have been hard to

understand but he said I'm happy beyond happy just feeling grateful know this part of my life great

love this opportunity I'm so glad you could participate and boy Ethan you have some insights that

are just profound and I think you're going to help a lot of people before we end it Ethan spelled

out one final message and here's Madeline reading it he said I'm happy beyond happy just feeling

grateful know this part of my life is great love this opportunity my life not by accident my life

meant to share my gifts love my community on the hill mom best mom ever I'm lucky makes me happy to

hear my family recall my stories people need help this life is not just making money how precious

our souls are to be trusted on earth no god is proud of you Kai please keep going no big success

is still pending just the start please keep fighting for my community of course thank you Ethan those

are all such beautiful messages and it means so much to hear so thank you for sharing that really

this Friday an exclusive episode will be released on our subscriber only backstage pass here's a clip

from that episode she's just looking at me the whole time with her mouth hanging open and she said

everything you said is accurate and exact those are all places that we visited those are all things

that we've said to each other and the experiences that we've had she said the only thing is he is not

dead he's a couple doors down you know at home he has dementia and I did not know what to do if

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every Wednesday so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads even the veiled ones that

knit together our reality and please remember to stay kind stay curious and that being a true

skeptic requires an open mind thank you to my amazing collaborators producers Catherine Ellis

and Selena Kennedy technical directing audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole opening and closing

music by Elizabeth PW an original logo and cover art by Ben Condor design I'm Kai Dickens your

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