Sal Capaccio and what the Bills have done in free agency

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What is wrong with Mike?

Here's Sel Kapaccio with us on the Wester Hotline.

Sel, first question.

What a hockey game.

I'll hang up and listen.

You were there last night, right?

I think I saw a video that you shot.

I was, I was there with Max.

It was great.

I mean, this is what we've been with.

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Being for a man, I've been just building it up too.

And that's the other part about it.

Like we've been talking about this.

And I've been saying to him how amazing it's going to be when we're in that

position and we can go to a game like that.

And then we knew this game was going to be that game.

We had tickets and it didn't disappoint, right?

That was the best part.

You got there to just didn't disappoint.

It was unbelievable.

What a freaking hockey game.

I mean, I'm driving home last night.

Listen to Brian's, you know, post game.

And Brian said, maybe it's the best regular season game ever in this arena.

And I'm like, ah, maybe that's hyperbolic.

And then I thought about it and said, yeah, that might actually be right.

It might be the best regular season game ever in that arena.

It was just awesome.

I love it.

I love the feeling of the crowd.

I love what was happening out in the hallways and then after the game, it was just great.

I mean, how do you measure such a thing?

Events.

I mean, I'm sure there was some amazing game where Dominic Asherick stopped 43 shots in

the Sabers 1, 2, 1 on 15 shots.

You know, it was probably great at the time.

But if you measure by actual events, it's this game and that auto a game for regular season.

I mean, if a goal and a fight or an event, you had like 30 events last night.

And right past, past when the game was even over, it kept going.

So I don't know how you beat it, unless you can find a game before stuff than that.

I mean, even the little things like I thought that the presentation was so on point last

night, right?

So for example, um, I don't know if you guys were there or saw this.

I think there was video of it if you didn't, but there were all these, there's like five

guys in each penalty box.

Yes, I saw this person.

Yes, funny.

You came a person on the big board showed the lightning penalty box and then panned

over to the sabers and then went back and all of a sudden the crowd starts boo, then

sabers.

Yeah.

Boo.

Yeah.

And like, Hey, go actually played to it.

Like he's a WWE character or something.

And he like did it like a, he like flex his muscles.

It was great.

Like the crowd got into it.

It was just so cool.

Yeah.

You know, I love this for you and your, your son, like, you know, how much hockey means

to my family and, and my old, our oldest son Owen.

But, you know, he's 24 and this is the first time we are watching a Saber team that he

can actually really get emotionally invested in.

You know, like he was too little, even, you know, he's, you know, he's born in 02.

So the, the O506, so it's just not old enough for that.

And you know, when they were in in the 11, like nobody really believed in it, whatever.

It's the first time he and I are watching these games and like laughing and high-fiving

and just, you know, like sports fans, like mostly he's watched games with me in that

living room for just, you know, just hanging out, we like hockey.

And this is just a whole different thing now.

Yeah.

And not only that, but how about all this stuff after the game?

It's like a bills game where the bills have this incredible game and you want to go home

and just watch all the highlights of it.

You want to relive it because like for me, I do this all the time because part of my

job to go back and rewatch it.

It's also because I don't get to hear like what it sounded like on TV and relive the

broadcast.

I hear it in my ears and Chris Brown sounds great, but it's live and I don't get those

the replays and all that.

So, well, soon as we got home last night, I could not wait to turn on NHL on the fly

last night.

And that's what I did last night.

We sat there and we said, let's watch this and it was great.

And then this morning, first thing, sports center, NHL network, I'm watching it all.

Just consuming it all and there's so much more to consume.

I love the call you guys got earlier by the person saying they're just savoring this

right now.

Not the playoffs, even rushed to get here, they'll get here and then you get intense,

but you're just enjoying it.

I love that call because we're all kind of feeling that I think in a lot of ways right

now.

And as I said to him, a lot of the pressure has come off just incredibly by the last two

weeks where we were looking forward to a tight race to get in.

And now it's even different, quite different than that.

All right, Sal.

So can I ask real quick?

Yes.

I said this in the morning show guys, I'll ask you would it be too jinxy at this point

to actually do like a playoff pool, like a baby pool, like what day they actually clinch?

I don't believe in jinxes.

So go for it.

I can't answer.

All right.

All right.

If we if we were slaves to superstition, we'd never say a word about anything.

All right.

That's right.

That's right.

Yes.

So I can't, I can't do it.

Sal departures today from the bills, Reggie Gilliam to New England.

We really didn't talk too much about him leading up to free agency.

It's Trabisky to Tennessee, David Edwards to New Orleans.

Maybe that was a given he would be leaving, although McGovern stays from the weekend.

Rank these news items bills related from today, if you would.

I think Reggie Gilliam is number one.

He didn't get the money, David Edwards did.

That was a really nice deal.

Good for David Edwards.

I'll get to him in a minute.

But that was expected.

Like I've been telling you guys, I mean, I thought McGovern would leave.

He didn't, but I mean, you know, you couldn't keep both of them and they didn't keep David

Edwards.

The number one, like, I think thing that's going to, I wouldn't say, maybe Edwards would

hurt that more.

He's a regular player.

And of course, he's really good.

And there's still an unknown in Alec Anderson, but guys, I mean, Reggie Gilliam, what he's

done for this run game, even on the field, only, you know, 20% of the time, what he's

done is a core special teamer, a guy that just been here understands how it works inside

that locker room.

And I know there's a new head coach and all of that, but I think that's a significant

loss.

But it's doubled because he went to a division rival and he went to a division rival

that likes to use the fullback in Josh McDaniel system, but didn't really have that ability

as much last year.

So, you know, you lose him and you lose him to a division rival.

That hurts both your, your core special teams unit.

And it hurts your run game where you have the leagues leading Russia now, say, though,

the bills might be set up a lot better than they had in years past to kind of absorb

that.

Number one, they do have Jackson Hawes, obviously, as a blocking tight end.

And you never know.

Maybe they can put him in that role if they need him.

But the other thing is, I do wonder if Joe Brady wants a bit of a departure from having

having a fullback in the field, you know, one of every five snaps on average.

I mean, maybe because of Joe Brady and just talk about wide receivers and vertical, maybe

they want more 11 personnel.

So maybe this is an indication of that as well.

There is a report of a bill signing just in DeAndre D. Alford, a cornerback from Atlanta.

He started 23 games over four seasons.

Jeremy Fowler of ESPN reports, it's a three year deal worth up to $21 million with

about half of that guaranteed.

So not a full time starter for the Falcons.

This is a fifth year player out of Tuscalam Bulldog.

Okay.

Yeah.

Tuscalam out here.

Yeah.

Falcons corner.

I don't.

I mean, you're good, but anybody ready to go takes on DeAndre D. Alford.

So I'll send you some Venmo if you're ready to go on DeAndre D. Alford, how about signing

a corner?

Right.

Career high, three interceptions and passes defense last year.

So a guy that seems like he's an ascending player, but I wonder what this means to me.

I go to what does this mean for Trudevius White?

This is a player that you bring in now where you know, you still bring back Trudevius White,

but you have Max Harrison obviously to start opposite Christian Benford.

You know, was the plan just, hey, we just need some backups to fill in.

This is $7 million.

Right.

That's the kind of money you gave Trudevius White last year to be on the roster.

So it feels like this is a guy where, hey, you know, we're going to, some Max Harrison's

going to start, but with the entries last year, you never know.

Maybe this is a guy that could compete there if they need to, if they need a player opposite

Christian Benford.

Former Winnipeg Bluebomber.

All right.

Do you think back to the guys that have left today, do you think the, the bills got caught

here on Gilliam or do you think maybe because Joe Brady's in charge now that maybe they

don't feel like they needed the role as much or do you think it's just somebody wanted

to give him some guaranteed money and he's been mostly year to year here.

And so just let him fly before he we're not going to meet the price.

Yeah.

I think it's the third more than anything to me the way I read it.

It reminds me of Mac Holland's last year.

You know, Mac Holland's went to New England and did a really good job for him.

You know, the bills didn't want to give two years, $10 million.

You know, they could have gone to one year, $4 million, but two years, $10 million, $5

million a year just wasn't something they were willing to do.

So Mac Holland's went to the New England Patriots.

The Patriots have an ability to spend more money right now.

They have much more cap room.

They have a really good quarterback and a rookie deal.

I think this came down to value for me.

It could also, like I said, be an indication.

Maybe the value is baked into maybe Joe Brady feels, hey, I want to run a little bit less

of, you know, how full back on the field, but I know they do love Reggie Gileum and he

did mean a lot to them in special teams as well.

I'm sure they'd love to keep Reggie Gileum.

I don't think it's a case of, you know, we're just going to move on from the guy and them

deciding that.

I mean, never know, but I think it's more so of that's just a price that we can't

meet for this player.

Yeah.

And you said it already.

Maybe they have a reason to think cause can serve in dual roles and, you know, that's

a player on a rookie contract and still get the benefit of having the blocking that they're

looking for out of that player, just maybe expand his role a little bit.

Yeah.

I think so.

So we'll see.

And again, this is when you go to a division rival, I think it hurts more.

You go to the knowing the Patriots.

It's a little bit more than if you had signed with, you know, Tennessee, who seems like

they're signing, you know, 50 guys today, right?

So he goes back and go back to Brian Dable or something like that.

And then David Edwards, I mean, good for him.

I just think it's interesting.

Now David Edwards is a really good player.

He did well with the bills.

Remember, he came here.

He was more of a six extra offensive lineman for the first part of when he came to Buffalo.

And then he went into that starting left guard role.

And you know, he parlayed that into $15 million a year, really, essentially the bills.

If Alec Anderson starts at guard, they'll have a $3 million starter.

Now Alec Anderson may be a fantastic player or you may be getting a guy where you wish

that you had, you know, David Edwards or somebody else back there.

Or someone, no, we don't know that, but I do think it's quite interesting.

The difference between what David Edwards got in the open market and what the bills seem

like right now, at least what they're penciled in starting left guard is going to make.

You know, I, I, I'm Anderson.

I'm thinking of, um, oh gosh, who was the, is a lineman that ended up going to, as

an Ike butker, someone who was so valuable for his versatility, right?

Yes.

Anderson played tackle this year.

And that game where the, the Pittsburgh game, when everybody was hurt, Doc has been

Spencer Brown, he, we, we know he played center in the Denver playoff game because there

were a few snaps there that McGovern had to leave for.

Um, now we're talking about him as a guard.

I wondered about him today, whether like his versatility would keep him from becoming

their left guard.

Um, I asked basically Joe Brady this question, like the exactly like you are, you know,

because remember, we used to ask Sean McDermott about this too, like, and, and McDermott's

response is always like, look, guys, they would love to play, but you know, you have to always

balance that, which is what's, you know, what you need with the team and, um, you know,

you could be so good at being so versatile that it just hurts your chances to start and

make money.

Right.

Joe Brady's answer was, and I think this is the same answer, essentially.

He said this time of year, you just want everybody who wants to start and wants to compete,

like you want guys who want starting jobs.

And that tells me, I think that I'll, Anderson wants to be the starter.

And I'm sure that he would, to me, this is why Bulldog, he signs a $3 million deal.

The bills could have given him a $3.5 million tender.

He actually signs for less than that $3 million.

Now it could be because maybe they want him in the more versatile role.

And then people asked me, well, why did they, you know, why did they give him only that

money?

Well, or why would he only sign for that?

He could have waited it out.

And my answer is, maybe he said, look, I'm going to start and I'm going to parlay that

one year deal, one year, three million, and I'm going to go out and give me the next

$15 million player.

Look what happened to David Edwards, right?

I mean, if, if Alex Anderson is a really good year on that offensive line, which has

four other starters around and blocking for Josh Allen, Alex Anderson is unrestricted

for the agent next year.

So it makes sense for him to kind of want to be in that position.

Were you surprised they got me governed on?

I was, I was.

I mean, I came out here with you guys many times and said, I just didn't think it would

happen.

And it's really interesting, you know, he winds up getting $13 million a year and then

today Tyler Lindenbaum just blows everything out of the water at the center market.

I mean, he's getting, what is he getting?

27 million a year.

I mean, that's unbelievable when you think about it.

Um, the only thing about McGovern though that, you know,

puts a bit of a damper, but it doesn't have to be that much is

because his original deals void year kicked in.

Like, it happened in February.

The void year, the date, bam, it's contract is void.

We now have to take on the dead cap it

and he's gonna be a free agent.

That's $4.8 million.

You can't go back and undo that now.

So the bills are still responsible for $4.8 million

of a dead cap hit for a player who actually is on their team

on a current contract, basically counting twice.

It's wanted to slip in a question real quick

because you brought up Mac Hollens earlier.

Do you think the bills regretted not signing him?

I mean, regrets of an interesting word.

I think the bills would have loved

who've had Mac Hollens on the team last year.

I still think I don't know if they would have,

if they regret not giving him that money mic,

but I think as the year went on,

it was proven how valuable.

Not for the, like the Patriots side of it is separate here.

I just think he would have been valuable

to what the bills needed last year

because they had a, they needed a guy who did everything he did.

And they talked so much about how valuable that position,

they mean, look, that was supposed to be maybe a Keon

or a Gabe Davis when they brought him from the practice squad.

He winds up getting hurt.

And Tyrone Schavers did a nice job.

But then what happened, he gets hurt too.

But yeah, I think they would have liked

to have had Mac Hollens because he meant so much

to all the different ways that they would use him.

Real quick, just to fill out a little more

on this D-Alford signing, the Falcons corner

that we just talked about,

Sneaky Joe's already got snap breakdowns in his career.

And slot corner is by a lot where he is mostly lined up

for Atlanta.

So maybe a Terran Johnson replacement,

you know, again, not highlighted as like expected

to be maybe as much a part, a key part of the defense,

but still someone you wanna have on the team

and maybe there's your answer.

Yeah, for sure.

When the name first came across it and realized

he played in the slot that much for Atlanta last year.

So obviously, this feels like to me,

and obviously the Terran Johnson thing was weird, right?

Because he was gonna get released.

And then he gets traded overnight last night.

And that's just because the bills were able to get a bump

up from a seventh round or to a sixth rounder.

But this tells me that what we talked about earlier guys,

which is with Terran Johnson,

it wasn't about the player itself.

It's about the position and how much it might change.

The bills still need that position,

but they were paying Terran Johnson a lot of money

and they could save a little money by releasing them.

So they get younger, they still spend, you know,

seven million a year, but let's see what the deal is.

Right.

It's not gonna be seven million this year,

it's probably no way to 100% right?

So they're gonna probably have a player

that can play that role at a much lower salary,

but also because he's not gonna be on the field

as much as Terran was.

Allford, by the way, had a sack and a pick

against the bills in that one night game.

One of his three picks on the year.

He had an interception right before the half.

Alan deep for Shakir, picked off by Dee Allford,

was challenged and the play was upheld.

And then he had a sack in this game too.

So how many of those?

How many of those do corners get in their career?

A pick and a sack in the same game.

It came against the bills and maybe that has something

to do with.

He didn't play for Carolina, but he did perform

against the bills and freshen someone's mind perhaps.

Looks like a bill's possible target is off the board

and Alex Singleton is resigning

with the Broncos according to Jordan Schultz.

That's a guy that we talked quite a bit about him,

Leo Chanel, John Franklin Myers.

He's also gone, he's gone to the Titans.

So Leo Chanel is still out there,

but the other guys we've talked about here

a few of them are now being signed.

There's nothing I'm gonna assume surprising

about the bills being as quiet as they're being

on this first day, right, Sal?

We sort of were bracing and expecting this, right?

Yeah, I mean, at this point,

I would have thought maybe we'd hear more trade,

especially, right?

If they didn't make the DJ more trade,

maybe they're in play for a receiver or something,

but they did, so that's out.

Yeah, I thought we'd hear something before 5.19 PM, right?

We were sitting here talking about it.

I thought something would come down a little earlier,

but never expected them to necessarily be

one of the first teams on the board

with a big name signing, especially considering

some of the money that's going on.

Look what Alex Pierce got, right?

Back to go to Indie Crazy.

A lot of money right there.

Mike Evans, actually, that was a good deal.

That's a nice, yeah, that's not a ton more money than,

I think most people would be willing to give him that,

but that felt more like that's just where he wanted to go.

They worked it out in, you know,

Kyle Schienhann's offense.

It's 20 million year, basically, average.

He goes there.

The only thing a little surprising to me so far

is we still don't know what's going on with Dawson Knox.

Haven't heard anything on him, a restructure, a release.

You know, the bills have to Wednesday at 4 PM

to be kept compliant.

And just so everybody's aware on how this works.

So the bills cannot trade for DJ more officially

until Wednesday at 4 PM.

And when they do,

they're going to have to have enough money

on his current contract as is to fit him under the cap,

which is over 23 million on that.

So they got to have room to actually fit

that 23 million in at that time.

Then once they do that, they can basically,

with a couple of swipes to the pen,

lower that cap to $6 million

and giving them $17 million of cap relief after,

so like within the first few minutes, they can do that.

So there's a lot of financial gymnastics at play here

when it comes to doing all of this.

What do you think of Malik Willis?

You know, player that we talked a lot about,

I said, I thought I saw him going to Miami

because of the connection with the coach.

And that's what's happening here.

I was a big Malik Willis fan coming out of college.

I really like Malik Willis.

I think that Malik Willis can be a nice player in this league,

but he's going to a place where they just are

kind of going to be really bereft of talent next year.

They're resetting it.

They're not going to be a very good football team overall.

And that puts a lot more against Malik Willis.

It's going to be tough for him to go out there

and show people why they signed them.

And from that standpoint, hey, good for him,

but I don't think it moves the needle for them

as an organization because they're just

not going to be that good around them.

All right.

Ken Walker to the chiefs sell.

Is this going to be a running back?

Have we moved into a different, if you will,

era when it comes to running back value,

given how some pretty big signings have gone

last two years, even James Cook, if you want.

I mean, he wasn't, he didn't get to free agency,

but he did well financially.

And then went on to lead the league in rushing.

I mean, a lot to his team.

Walker, the Super Bowl MVP goes to the chiefs.

Do you think that that changes the chiefs

in a significant way?

It helps them.

They needed a running back to take a little load off.

They have not been able to run the ball all that well.

And I think Kenneth Walker is, he can be a home run hitter.

We've seen he's versatile.

He can do a lot of different things.

But he's also had moments where he kind of disappears

for stretches at a time, right?

But this is a good player, I think,

that put it in their offense coach by Andy Reed.

I think this is a nice player for them.

It's interesting, his deal, by the way,

the overall numbers are basically the exact same,

very close to it as James Cook.

The difference is James Cook got another year.

So really, it's divided by four for James Cook.

It's divided by three for Kenneth Walker.

That's what happens, you know, on it,

the next year comes up, so someone gets a little bit more money.

You know, but Cook, it's pushed down quite a bit here

for some of the running back deals that have been made here.

The thing that I actually do like now,

I think that they make some much better on the ground,

right, than what they've been.

But the thing I like is I think that takes them

out of the Jeremiah Loss, we've stakes in the draft.

I thought maybe that was a guy that they could wind up

either taking it nine or trading up to get.

One, we'll watch to see if Cook starts tweeting

about being underpaid.

We'll have to be monitoring that.

Two, I don't, I would bet that love goes before nine.

Yep.

Everybody seems to think like Tennessee at four

is realistic for him.

So he might even top genty for draft capital.

Yeah, I think Tennessee makes a lot of sense.

They've made some moves today.

It's been some money though.

You know, they signed Belinger a tight end.

That was a spot we thought maybe Nox could go to

if he were released, you know, could Brian Dable

and he's fine there, but they gave Belinger,

yeah, they give the Belinger some money there.

Then Juan Deo Robinson as well, who else they signed?

Oh, yeah, John Franklin Myers, they signed,

they've done some work today, Tennessee.

So, you know, they're trying to really build off

what they have in their second year quarterback.

Now, going into a third year quarterback in Cam Warden.

Yep.

That's a spot I could definitely see love.

One thing I know you want to do as a franchise,

just load up all your money, all your eggs in the basket

and rate the New York Giants closet.

Extra, that's what you want to do.

That's what you want to do.

That's what you want to do.

I don't know.

Juan Deo Robinson is like 110 catches for 600 yards.

Like that's, there's value,

but that seems, somebody tweeted,

and isn't this so right, all the receivers in free agency

pass like the top guys.

Does that ever work out?

Where you're spending like, top of market,

maybe isn't right, but just massive financial investment

on receivers who aren't elite.

I'll give my guy, Jacob Sanderson, a hat tip,

Colts fan, ADP chasing, he's predicted the whole time.

They would keep Pearson, move Pittman.

And I didn't hear anybody else expecting that

from the Colts, so he was right.

What did you think about that Pittman deal,

especially considering the DJ More deal in that context?

Much better for the buyer.

Pittsburgh did much better than the bills did, I think.

You're going to have to like the players equally.

I think I like Pittman more anyway,

but that's debatable.

What about you?

Yeah, I hear that.

I still don't love giving up the second rounder.

I mean, that feels like man, for Pittman,

but I will say though, they had to give Pittman a new deal.

DJ More was already under contract, right?

I think that was part of it.

Well, you're getting a Pittman cost control player,

but you're going to redo his contract.

I believe Pittman was under contract.

Get a year left.

But one year.

Yeah.

The extension is kind of a given.

Once you do that, right?

Right.

I wonder, remember when the DJ More trade was reported,

it was mid-round pick that Adam Schaefter used.

And I don't know if there was some sort of mistake

in the dissemination of the message or what,

but I might have been like, okay, sure,

that makes sense, like this, but it wasn't.

And that is the big problem with it.

I think, like you said, Sel, just then.

Okay, good, good talking hockey with you

and some of these moves.

Thanks for your time.

You got to guess.

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