Samantha Ettus: Why Parents Are Panicking About Their Kids’ Beliefs | DSH #1736

Parents calling me all the time, asking me for advice on what to do about their kid that suddenly

is turning against Israel and separating themselves from Zionism. And it's really hard because the

young people really don't realize that our generation, my generation, the reason I grew up pretty

much without any anti-Semitism in my life is because Israel existed. So all those people were

fighting a war so that I could be safe in the diaspora, which is what we call, you know, the

the Jews outside of Israel or the Jews within the diaspora.

All right guys, we got Samantha here in Las Vegas at one week. How was the flight over here?

Oh, it's so easy to get here. Four hour drive, one hour flight. Not bad. Easy peasy. So you're still in

Cali. Yes, we live in Los Angeles. We had all three kids in New York and then we moved them to L.A.

about 14 years ago. Okay. Yeah, I did the same thing. Came from Jersey to L.A. Really? Yeah, last

to five months. Didn't last long. Why did it end? Uh, COVID. I hated it there during COVID. But I

still go there once a month to film. There's a lot of good people out there. Yes. I don't know if I live

there though. Little too liberal for me, I think. I don't know. It depends on where you live. I think

it's just a weird place right now just with the government. Yeah. Yeah, there are good parts for

sure. I like Orange County. It's stuff like that. L.A. is tough right now, especially. I mean, I

think you know that our home burned down. Yeah, sorry to hear that. And it's just it's hard not

to blame the government for what happened. And so it's it's kind of weird to live in a city where

you feel like you're governed by people who are incompetent. Yeah. Well, I saw there's some

investigation on the state of Cali now for the homeless thing, right? Yeah. I mean, and that

that's even different because I think having no water and the fire hydrants.

That's like something you just don't expect, right? You're just kind of there's like an assumption

if you live in America that, you know, the police will come if you call and the fire tracks will come

if you need them. Yeah. And that didn't happen. Yeah, that's awful. Were you at the house when the

fire started or where were you? Yeah, we were, but we thought we were escaping smoke. So we didn't

even bring anything. I mean, we had lived there for 14 years and there'd never been any fire

anywhere in the pulsates that was an issue. It was always, you know, we were evacuated before for

smoke, but never for fire. So it was kind of an assumption that we were in a safe area. I mean,

if we were in Malibu, we would have known that something terrible would happen because Malibu

has a lot of fires, but not the Pacific pulsates. So we thought we were safe and we just packed for

like one or two nights and left every single thing behind every old picture, everything my late mom

left me. I mean, everything we've ever had. Yeah. And unfortunately, it wasn't just our home as one of

my children said it was every childhood memory because their school burned down, you know, the

local, the dentist we used to go to every place that we frequented was gone. Even the place I used

to hike in COVID. Wow. So it was just, it's hard to sort of comprehend losing an entire community,

not just your home. Yeah. Yeah. Did you want to speak out against the government after that or

how did you take all that in? I mean, I'm very much, I don't live life in the past lane kind of

person. I always move forward and I had to focus on getting my family in a stable situation,

living wise and getting everyone settled. And, you know, I think everyone handles that kind of

stuff differently. So I had to meet my kids where they were, have three teenagers. And, you know,

I think there's a lot of people that are spending their time right now fighting the government on

what happened. And I, I mean, I support them. And I've definitely done a number of Fox News

appearances about it. But, you know, beyond that, it's, it's not something I, I have time for

some fighting another battle. Yeah, you're fighting a bigger battle, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

much bigger battle. When did that start? When did you start speaking out against the anti-Semitism

stuff and all that? Yeah. So on October 7th, my son was actually Bar Mitzvah at October 7th,

2023. Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. So on that day, we really, I was like in Bar Mitzvah,

land and party land, I had no concept of the gravity of what had happened in Israel. And I had a

pretty nice platform at that point, social media platform. And normally the next morning, I would

have woken up posting really cute pictures of the party and all that stuff. And that was when

I really understood the horrors of what had happened on October 7th. And it didn't feel at all

appropriate to post anything, but about what was going on there. And I thought I'll do that for

a couple days. And then the grownups who know everything about the Middle East, they'll show up

and take over. And they never arrived. And so I realized that I was completely unqualified to play

the role of someone who would, you know, relay what was going on. Because frankly, that had never

been my beat before. And so I started voraciously reading like a book a night and trying to

educate myself to be the person that I had needed at that moment, which was someone who could

really deliver the true news. But in a very digestible way, that's always been my goals. Like,

I'm not making it really heavy. I'm not making it very academic. I'm just delivering sort of the

cliff notes, or depending on your age, the sparks notes on what was needed at that moment.

And so that's what I still do. I wake up every day and I do my best to deliver the true news

of what's going on in Israel and the fight against anti-Semitism. Yeah. And it's hard to really

find true news these days in the age of social media. It's brutal. I mean, we are in a disinformation

war of propaganda war that's been leveraged against Israel and co-opting the minds of a lot of

young people. And so for me, I've found my sources. I mean, I wake up and I go on telegram every day

and there's a few people on there and a few outlets I trust on there. And so I'm telegram, well.

Yeah. So I mean, I'm really finding the news before traditional media outlets are posting it.

I already sifted through it. And I always make sure that I always back up everything with a

second source. So I'm making sure that I'm not making mistakes. I think I've made a mistake

in the last two years once or twice. One, I remember, I had heard that the USC dean was

resigning because of the way they've handled the the valedictorian speaker and she didn't resign.

And I had reported that she had because a board member I told me she had she was going to

in the next hour and it turned out she didn't. And then I went on and apologized because I feel like

the one thing I need to do is be honest and truthful about every piece of information I deliver

or else I can't be a trustworthy source. Yeah, I respect. Shout off for even admitting that you

made a mistake because a lot of people won't do that, you know. I think it's so critical to do that.

Yeah, I mean, and you know, I will probably make another mistake in the future because it's

almost impossible not to. But I think every time it's important to own it. Yeah, I think if you're

breaking news, there's obviously with sheer numbers, you're going to make a mistake, you know.

Yeah, and you look at like the New York Times, right? I mean, the New York Times, they've made

so many mistakes since October 7th. And then when they retract something, they put it in really

fine print, you know, buried in the paper and nobody sees it. No one. I mean, you look at what

happened. I think it was about 10 days after October 7th. They announced that Israel had bombed

a hospital. It was completely false. It was actually Gaza who bombed their own hospital. Hamas had

bombed the hospital. Wow. But by the time they had corrected it, that lie traveled around the

world multiple times. And the war against Israel in the press had started and they started it.

And they make that mistake over and over again. And there's no one stopping them. So, and they're

not policing themselves. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. People only remember the first headline. I feel

like that's a great way to put it. You know, even if it gets proven false, it won't get as many

views. That's so true. And it's much harder to chase a lie with a truth, because the lie is usually

much more central eating than the truth is. Yeah. Yeah. So you start speaking out more and more. And

I'm sure you're like losing followers. You're losing friends, right? You know, it's funny. I really

I'm always been a huge optimist. I don't think I could do this work if I wasn't. And I feel like

I have gained so many more friends since October 7th than I have lost. Really?

I have sort of tapped into this community of supporters and colleagues, I call them my

colleagues, you know, fellow activists. And it's funny because we all came from very different

backgrounds. I mean, there is, you know, a former actress, a former nutritionist, a former

executive, a former branding expert. I mean, every one of us came from a different background,

former entrepreneurs. And we've all sort of rallied around this cause. And I think you just

meet the moment when you have a platform. And you have to use your platform responsibly. And we've

seen so many people get in trouble when they don't do that. And I think that the least I could do

is use what I have to help fight this crazy propaganda. Yeah. That's very interesting. I love

how positive you are. I think there's a shift with the age demo, because like, for example, I'm,

I've lost 500,000 followers in the past two months. From what? From just having on pro-Israel gas.

Wow. Yeah. And then you look at these charts on like, what age ranges are supporting the

Palestine movement? Yeah. And the Gen Z and millennials seem to favor at the moment, Palestine.

You know what I mean? Well, good for you. Okay. Every pro-Israel person now has to go follow you.

Yeah. Please. I need a game to follow. Yes. No, I think there's a big reward for speaking out. And

I commend you so deeply for platforming voices that need to be heard because a lot of your

colleagues are not platforming us. That's true. Because they're afraid to lose followers business

and all that. I mean, I used to be on Tucker Carlson's show when he was on Fox News a lot.

Really? Know him. And I always, you know, had a good relationship with him.

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And recently I reached out to him and said you really need some more Jewish voices on there. How

about mine? And he kind of, you know, him's an odd. I'm still working on him because I believe that

you have to fight within the system. A lot of people would say don't even touch it. But I think

if he's out there platforming on these people without pushing back on them, that makes a more

hateful world. And having voices that are actually delivering the truth is what's really important.

I agree. I think you should have on both sides as long as they're speaking truth, right?

Truth facts. They're not spreading disinformation. That's what's important to me. And that's

the tricky part, right? And that's probably the hardest part of your job. It's hard. Is that

like someone will come on and say something and if you're not expected to be an expert in every

single subject. I don't have so many experts in their subjects. I can't verify it. You can't

verify it. And then in real time it's almost like I almost equate your job with like being a

moderator of a presidential debate. Literally. I mean, I would need a full-time fact checker.

Right. In real time, in your ear going, that's not true. I just looked on JTBT and that's not

true. You kind of need that. That's why Rogan has jamed me, I think. I guess can't really be us

on there. I mean, I guess they can, but it's harder. Sometimes you let them. Yeah, sometimes I

slip through. It's inevitable, right? If they sound really convincing, you just believe it.

Right. Say it with authority and people believe you. Yeah. What do you think happened with Tucker

with Candace, with people that have kind of flipped sides? I mean, I think a lot of them,

I'm not going to name names, but I think there's there's bad actors behind them paying them.

I think if you look at, you can look at Miss Rachel, right? She's a very popular. You don't

have kids yet, but I've heard of her. Okay, she's like, she's like the Mr. Rogers of this generation

in some ways. She is fully bought. I mean, this woman talks more about gods and children. She

just spreads lies or their fake children, usually that she has up there in terms of like she,

she'll use a picture and say it's a malnourished child, and it's actually a kid with a terrible

generative degenerative disease. Like she just does not care. Wow. And just pedals lies. And now,

unfortunately, she's corrupted all these mothers of the kids, like they follow her on social media,

and they believe her lies. Wow. And you know, that's happened with so many people, like a Glen

and Doyle who hosts, we can do our things with Abby Wombok. I mean, she is peddling misinformation

on every podcast and is unchecked. And these people, I don't know what motivates them. If it's,

I like to believe it's not just pure Jew hatred, I believe. It's got to be money, right?

It's time it's money. Yeah. Yeah, because the influences shifted towards these creators now,

right? Yeah. So these guys know they have a big audience and they're willing to pay for

messaging. And it's brilliant, right? Because what they do is they'll pay someone to talk about

this issue 10% of the time. So 90% of the time they're doing kids TV or whatever it is,

what they're doing. So it looks natural. Exactly. Yeah. I get hit with a $7,000 comment every video now.

I'm sure you do too. I mean, listen, it was, it was such an unfortunate article that was written.

It's obviously BS. We'd all be like, raking in the money. If every time I post it, I post multiple

times a day. Yeah. Were you on that list? I didn't see it. It was like 20 people. No. No.

And frankly, though, it's, it's unfortunately polluted our entire world because we've all gotten it.

I mean, we're very small crew. And a lot of my friends were on that list. Really? It was a lie.

So we don't get paid for any posts about Israel. We don't get paid for posts about

fighting anti-Semitism. And the bottom line is they'll use anything. So I'm not that worried about

the $7,000 comment because it's BS. But every day there's a new lie about us. And you can't necessarily

play whack-a-mole trying to fight every lie. Instead, you need to push through the truth. And I think

one of the biggest things we can do in educating our young people is to get them to question what

they're seeing. Because when I grew up, right, the institutions you could trust were the United

Nations, Harvard, the New York Times. These were institutions I worshiped. All three of those

have come tumbling down. And it's very difficult to get our heads around a world where the

institutions we grew up trusting are no longer trustworthy. Agreed. And then where do you get

your information, right? And I can say, oh, trust me. Get your information from me because I'm

I am someone who's only trying to deliver the truth. But at the same time, we should be able to

trust our traditional media, our traditional press. And we really can't. I can't anymore. I used

to watch the news every day growing up CBS. Me too. And the local news, it was fun, right? And I

think one of the things that we're not teaching young people is to question what they're seeing.

So they're being educated at TikTok University. And they believe it. For Twitter.

Right. Twitter's a big one. I do it. Absolutely. Yeah, Twitter's just not stop the craziest post.

Like I almost don't want to scroll, to be honest, because there's a lot of negativity.

Oh, a lot of negativity. A lot because the algorithm favors that on threads. I do. I'm very active

on threads in rebutting people because for some reason, people see your applies all the time on

threads. Really? I feel like it's it's a worthy platform. I don't use that one. Maybe I have to start.

Oh, threads is the best. Really? I find it way more. Is there a lot of anti-semitism on threads

compared to X? There's anti-semitism everywhere. Yeah. I know they're trying to fight back.

TikTok, there seems to be less, right? These days. They say that. I mean, I get I get hateful comments

and death threats every day, but I just keep going on TikTok or every platform. Sheesh. Yeah, TikTok

is perhaps the worst comments, but it's very easy to block those people. They make it really easy.

So you can just quickly withdraw it. I get a lot of hate. And I think it's gotten way worse in the

last few months I've noticed. Wow. I don't know what's happening, but maybe the hate in the world

towards Jews has just gotten, I feel like I'm a barometer for it. Yeah. It's gotten much worse.

That is crazy. So it's going to keep getting worse than if this, if this war continues, right?

I think that right now, I mean, for all purposes, the war is kind of over, okay, as we knew it.

There is a piece deal on the table. We just have this big evolution in the last few days where

Trump got, you know, all these countries to agree to this kind of governing body that would

help reconstruct Gaza over the next two years. And really, the most important part about it

is that they all agreed to disarm Hamas. And we have to remember that anyone who is shouting

free Palestine is literally cheering for team Hamas. They just don't realize it most of the time.

That's crazy. I'm of the belief that most people who are shouting free Palestine have no

idea what they're shouting. It's not that they hate Jews. They truly don't realize they're cheering

for a terrorist regime. They've been programmed. They don't even realize. They don't question,

listen, if you and I were in college and we just became friends and you said to me, hey,

do you want to go march for freedom? Sure, I love freedom. Why would I? I mean, they have a great

brand, right? So, and if you're not, you know, well versed in geopolitics, you wouldn't know

without even meant. Sure, I want Palestine to be free. That's like, that's just, you know,

game over. Absolutely. I'll join you and these people have no idea what they're joining and no

idea what they're fighting for and no idea that the Palestinians have turned down every offer

for independence and land that they've ever received. People don't realize that. And so we're in

this war against ignorance and fighting that every day is is become my mission. Yeah, I'm sure

every day you're dealing with hate comments and yeah, I mean, I always say like live for the

lovers, not the haters. And I really believe that. I just block, block, block, block.

I'd love to see your block list. It's got to be pages long. If they ever come, come after people

for blocking too many people, I'm the first on that list. I don't answer, you know, I get hate

DMs and comments. I just never. I just, I try to not think about it. Usually it's coming from someone

I don't really value to be honest. It's also usually coming from bots. I mean, when you

bots are anonymous. Yeah, there never is a photo. And if there is a photo, if it's like usually

green, you're blurry. Yeah. And they don't have that many followers. It's like almost always a bot.

Literally, almost always. If it's a comment from someone I respect, then I'll take a serious.

Yeah. And I'll actually think about like, okay, maybe he has something here, but usually it's not,

you know, exactly. It's like a guy with like 100 followers fake profile picture. Yeah.

The bot farms are nuts these days. It's wild. I mean, and there must be a way to somehow stop that.

You keep thinking like Facebook's gonna figure it out. I don't understand. They always figured out

and then they come up with a new method. It's gonna be an ongoing thing. Yeah. And now with AI,

it's probably so easy to just make a thousand accounts. Wow. You know, so I don't take a lever end.

Yeah. I know Elon really wanted to stop it, but even he can't figure it out with Twitter.

You know, there's guys that will tweet out something and get like 5,000 likes in 20 minutes.

Yeah. I mean, we have to assume the truth eventually will prevail. I mean, you like to believe that,

right? And I think the thing that concerns me most is just what's happening with young people.

That they're getting so brainwashed. And I get parents calling me all the time asking me for advice

on what to do about their kid that suddenly is turning against Israel and separating themselves from

Zionism. And it's really hard because the young people really don't realize that our generation,

my generation, the reason I grew up pretty much without any anti-Semitism in my life is because

Israel existed. So all those people were fighting a war so that I could be safe in the diaspora,

which is what we call, you know, the the Jews outside of Israel or the Jews that live in the diaspora.

So, you know, I was very protected because Israel was there. Yeah. And Israel existed to protect us.

And I don't think I appreciated that fully until October 8th.

Wow. So you dealt with no anti-Semitism in your whole life? Pretty much none.

Holy crap. Yeah. I remember, I, I mean, I went to college. My best friends from college were not

Jewish. My three roommates were not Jewish. But never even occurred to me. Like, I didn't even

realize today that would be something I would think about. But then I was growing, I grew up in

New York City. I grew up as a competitive tennis player. So I was always traveling around the country.

Most of my tennis friends were not Jewish. It didn't matter. I mean, you know, people say they're

colorblind. I was kind of blind to that stuff. And, and then it just, you know, October 8th was like a

just whiplash. Wow. Now you got me in Mdani in New York City. Times have changed. I mean,

I thought so hard to stop Mdani. He won by landslide, right? I don't like to call it a landslide.

Okay. But I do think, listen, if courtesy why I had dropped out of the race, it would have been

just a couple of points between them. It would have been closer. I also, I have my theories about

whether a lot of those votes were real. Really? There were a lot of people. Even Mahmoud Kaleil,

remember that, that dude? Yeah. Bad guy. But he boasted afterwards that he had voted multiple times

for Mdani. What? Yeah. I mean, a lot of people were recorded saying they voted a lot of times

for Mdani. So apparently at the, at the voting booth, there was not a lot of, I be checking. There

were a lot of sketchy things happening. That is crazy. So I don't know what happened. I also believe

that like, listen, this guy came from nowhere. He had never held a job. He had never, he'd shown up

for less than half of his votes in the state assembly. And he's never managed a budget of a

lemonade stand, let alone a city. And this is who we're having running the most important

financial mecca in America, maybe the world, and a city that's based on capitalism. It's based on,

you know, the American dream. And we've just elected a socialist communist. It just doesn't even make

sense. There was something there, because I would say I'm an expert on social media, like going

viral. Yeah. And to see him go that viral, the way he did, you need a lot of money for that.

Yeah. You don't just do that. Like, I know what it takes to go that viral.

I mean, we know care was behind him. And care is just designated a terrorist organization. And

it's a lot of it doesn't make sense. A lot of it's very sketchy. And I think the biggest concern now,

and the one positive, because I'm the optimist, the one positive about it is I think it's

woken a lot of people up to realize, listen, the DSA is coming after your city too. They're coming

after very local elections, unless you want to live in a socialist city, you need to wake up and

either run for office yourself or help elect someone who is not a socialist because the socialist

experiment has never worked. It's failed in countries and cities across the world. And there is

no reason that we want it in our cities in America. That's not the opposite of the American dream.

Yeah, I wonder how it's going to play out in New York City because the top one percent pay 50%

of the taxes. So if all the billionaires lead there, that's really going to hurt New York City, I think.

I mean, I think it's also the millionaires you have to worry about. Like, it's the people that

we're doing really, really well, but they're not billionaire status. And they're like, you know,

screw it. I'm going to the suburbs. Because I want to get rid of, you know, he wants to get rid of

the gifted and talented programs in public schools. Like, how would you get rid of them? Right.

It's he that's because he wants to socialize education. I mean, this is a very,

a very scary cliff we're on, I think. And the only positive thing. Look, he just,

he just endorsed a person to take over his state assembly seat who's been in America for less

than a year. What? You can still get a job in politics being less than a year in a country.

There's all these loopholes. And I mean, he does not have America's best interests at heart.

His other interests at heart. And we are seeing that. And look at his wife. I mean, I've been

focusing on his wife since August. I've been obsessing over her because in August, I did a video

that went viral about who his wife was because it was right on her Instagram and no press was covering

it. No traditional media was covering her. But her Instagram was full of lies about Israel and the

Jews. Really? So how is that someone you want to be your mayor's wife? I mean, she is now the

first lady of New York City is someone who is a blatant Jew-hater lie spreader about Israel.

And she still has it up there. And she's been posting these things even since he took office.

What? So, I mean, what does it say when she's spreading lies about apartheid and genocide and

things that have been proven untrue? And she's spreading that on her Instagram. And her Instagram,

when I started following her was, you know, a few, I guess, six months back. She had just, you know,

a few hundred thousand followers or less. And now she has millions because she's the first lady

in New York City. Yeah. You need a lot of budget to get to millions. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's just

the wife of a mayor. Exactly. You don't just get to millions being the wife of a mayor. You don't

think so. No. No, I know how social media works. Wow. To get the amount of views they did, they probably

got tens of billions of views. Yeah. Takes some funding. So, what do you think it is? Who's

funding it? That's the million dollar question, right? Because it clearly wasn't organic. Let's be

honest. You need a team. You need editors. You need, they call them clippers. It's a whole world.

Like, I know how it works. You pay based off their views and you pay for performance. It's wild,

you know. Yesterday there was a big, you and I were talking about this before, a big protest outside

of a synagogue in New York City. They were having a event and 200 protestors showed up saying

globalized antifada, which means death to the Jews. Wow. And no arrests were made. Nothing was

stopped. Eric Adams was overseas and he said as soon as he gets back, he's visiting Park East

synagogue that today they come for a synagogue tomorrow. They come from a church or a mosque. Like,

he's he's a huge ally for the Jews and for all races, frankly. And what's it going to be like in

January? I mean, Mamdani didn't say a word about it. What is he going to say? I mean, scary. Who

knows? How have you been navigating? I know you've got three kids with sending them the public

school. And I know you, I don't know if you want to share what happened with the flag at one of

your kids' universities, but have you been scared to send them to public school and public universities?

So my daughter goes to an Ivy League school. She did see a swastika right outside of her

dorm recently. The school handled it very, very well. The president took it so seriously

and right away announced it to the whole school. She wanted everyone to know the entire community

that this is not tolerated and that we will find this person. She was working with police on it.

So the rapid response honestly made Jewish students at our school feel safe. And that's what is

needed. And I think what we saw, it's so many Ivy League schools, you know, Colombia where,

where, you know, Mamdani's father is an agitator, professor, you know, activist against Jews.

I mean, they're not stopped. They've gone on unchecked all these encampments. I mean, look,

kind of like what we were saying, they all have these beautiful uniform tents at all these

schools. And that's because they are paid for by a much larger organization than the students,

right? Students for justice in Palestine is a group that is now on campuses across the country.

And we know that it has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Wow. And it's not registered as a non-profit.

So it is fully a propaganda led movement that has giant billions of dollars behind it.

And it's run by, you know, jihadists. And they have now invaded every college campus. I mean,

Mamdani was the founder and president of students for justice in Palestine at Bowdoin College.

What? Yeah. I did not know that. This is not, this is not an accident. These are big plans that

they have. And these are the groups that started the encampments at every single college. And

frankly, the university administration was just shocked by, they had no idea what, what,

it hit them. And they didn't know that this is, this plan has been in the works for over 20 years.

I mean, the FBI was recording conversations about the Muslim Brotherhood and their plans to take

over the universities and all of the institutions over 20 years ago. Wow. I mean, as someone that

just got married and wants to have kids, I personally wouldn't send them the universities at the moment.

You know, I think it's really important that we have educated students at these universities.

I remember saying to my daughter, oh, thank God you didn't go to Columbia. And she said,

mom, you need people like me at Columbia because you need people who are willing to speak up.

And I think that's really true. We can't all just hide. Yeah, I agree. It's, it's why I don't

believe every Jew should just live in Israel, right? We need to be everywhere and we need all kinds

of people everywhere. And I've always, before October 7th, I was a huge advocate for diversity.

I still am. I just had no idea that Jews were not included in diversity. So here I was fighting for

DEI, not knowing that Jews would not be included in DEI. And it's just been a shock, I think,

for all of us. Is there any movement on that? Do they want to include

anti-Semitism language and DEI laws? It hasn't made a lot of headway yet. I think that a lot of

people are going after DEI programs and demonizing them instead of fixing them. There's a movement

of people who want to fix them from within and say, it's DEI is important, but we need to include

Jewish people in that. But listen, it's a much bigger problem than that. For a very long time,

it made me uncomfortable that every time there was a census, I had to, you know, or any time at

the doctor's office or applying for anything. I have to check off white. The world treats me as

Jewish, not white, right? And I know identify as white, I identify as Jewish, but there is no checkbox

for Jews. Interesting. And so when you're not included in the census, you're not included in these,

you know, arenas. And there's no box for you. You're not going to be included in DEI.

That makes sense. I think it's a much larger problem than needs to be fixed. Right. So you got to get

Jewish registered as a, whatever it's called. We should probably have Jews on the census because

it isn't ethnicity. Right. It's not just a religion. I wonder why that's not. Is it not big enough

you think? Listen, you know, I was asked to speak to a group of Amazon employees. So there's a,

there was a hostage named Sasha Trovenov who's been, he was an engineer at Amazon. Most people don't

know that there was an engineer at Amazon who was held hostage in Israel. And he was there for a very

long time. And I became an active fighter for his release. And I really, his story touched me so

much. I'm happy to say he is now out. He just got engaged to his beautiful fiancee and

they're incredible people actually. But, but he at the time, Amazon employees did not have

an employee resource group. So I know if you're familiar with employee resource groups. A lot

of corporations now, Fortune 500 companies all have employee resource groups. And these resource

groups are for women employees. They're for, they might have one for black employees. They might

have one for LGBTQ. They might have one for Muslim employees for Catholic employees. They have

them for different affinity groups. So the Amazon Jewish community had for years asked to have

a Jewish group. And they were shot down because Amazon said Jews are religion and we don't have

religious groups. So, sorry, I miss spoke about Catholic. Amazon would not have had a Catholic

group because they didn't have religious groups. Got it. Okay. So the, the Jewish employees said,

but we're an ethnicity. We're not just a religion. And it fell on deaf ear deaf ears. And then

they have one of their colleagues taken hostage and they need a community more than ever before.

And they still wouldn't allow them to have an employee resource group. So instead, all they

had was a slack channel. And the problem with that is they had no budget. So they contacted me and

said, well, you please come speak to our group. We have no budget. And I said, of course, I will.

You know, when we agreed that I would speak over Zoom. And I felt terribly for these people.

And a week before I was scheduled to speak, the Human Resources Department contacted them. I

guess there was a mole in their slack channel and said, she's too controversial. You can't have

her speak here. Wow. So the response was that's ridiculous. There's nothing controversial about

Samantha Attis. And they said, yes, there is. And so they said, okay, what we'll do to compromise

is you'll come, Samantha will come on and she will do a Zoom with you, but more of like a webinar

thing. And in each our person will watch it and decide whether it's acceptable for you to release

to the employees. So I did that. And they watched it and said it was too controversial. No way.

Yes. And all we were talking about was anti-semitism and Israel. Why?

And Sasha, the hostage. It was wild. Then cut to two months later. Guess who they have speak.

Sasha. Mackelmore. Mackelmore is a known anti-semit. Yeah. And they had him speak at Amazon.

So the New York Post went crazy over it. Like they won't let this anti-semitism, you know,

fight or speak, but they'll let Mackelmore speak. That is weird. Just because he's a celebrity problem.

Just because he's a celebrity, but it was clearly, you know, there's someone there who everyone gets

very scared when you mention anti-semitism. Everyone gets very scared when you mention Israel. And I

think it's an example of how the propaganda has worked. Yeah. Well, I think you've probably dealt

with big brands in the past. They're always walking on eggshells, right? Yeah. They don't want to

like make any risky moves because they've got a reputation. Well, and what's considered risky

is what's so disturbing, right? Because it should be risky to have an anti-semit like Mackelmore

speak to your company. Right. So how do we get to a place where that's not risky, but I am.

Yeah. There's been a culture shift, right? Yeah. A lot of programming. Like you said, it's been a long

game. Yeah. You know, they've been working out this for decades. Yeah. And I think it's just,

we just need more voices. And you and I were talking earlier about, you know, celebrity speaking

out. And I think it was in January, right after October 7th, that I was frustrated by the

lack of voices speaking out. And so I started approaching celebrities because I knew how little it

would take to make Jewish people feel supported. All it would take is a celebrity saying, I am

Connie Britton and I stand against anti-semitism. I am Rob Lowe and I stand against anti-semitism.

That's all it would take. It wasn't, you know, I'm pink and I stand against anti-semitism.

So I started approaching celebrities and asking them to say that. That was it. It was all I asked

for that one line. And a lot of them said yes and we started making these videos and it really

made people feel so comforted to know that there were people standing with them. And then about

100 celebrities in, I hit a wall and no one else wanted to speak out. And I think it probably

is perceived today as harder to speak out than it was even then. Oh yeah. Like I said, I've lost

500k in the past two months. Imagine these celebrities. I'm going to get them back for you, Sean.

Okay, that's my mission. I'm playing the long game. So I'm not too worried about it. I might even lose

500,000 more who knows. But like imagine these celebrities you're talking to. They have 10 times

of followers I have. So they would lose millions. I mean, it's such a crazy thing though. It's like

if you're not speaking out now, then like this is our time, right? There were just a couple years

before World War II happened. And it was the silence that allowed 6 million Jews to be killed.

It was just everyone thinking, well, if I say silent, I'm okay. Even Jewish people thinking,

if I support them, you know, I'll be okay. And if you had even the smallest bit of Jewish blood

in you, you were not okay. Or if you were an ally to the Jews. So. Yes, silence doesn't work, right?

I mean, this is this is the time to speak out. If people are ever thinking of speaking out,

I implore them to speak out now because this is the time when we need more voices. Yeah. Yeah,

I commend you for your bravery. I was even trying to set up a debate for you to speak out. I think

it's important to have both sides speak as well. Yeah, I'm happy to be in anyone. Have you done debates

before? I used to be on shows like The O'Reilly Factor, and even if you were born. I heard a very

Fox News debate show. I used to do a lot of that, but I'm very comfortable with it. So yeah,

if anyone wants to bring it on, you know, I once I once debated this guy Gavin. What's his name?

Gavin? Gavin? Gavin? Yes. I always on his show. I've seen him about Israel or something else. No,

it was about women. He was a big sexist. Really? Oh, wow. I got to watch that. I don't even know. It

was only available to his subscribers. He paywalled it. Yeah, he paywalled all of the stuff. Yeah. Wow.

I feel like debates are back. Pierce Morgan's crushing it right now. Yeah, he is with the debates.

Yeah, you should get on there. Yeah, no, I should. He doesn't listen. Yeah, no, no, no.

So you doesn't really usually let people talk, but it doesn't scare me. Yeah. From a host

point of view, it's hard because he's got like five guests at once. It's already hard to have one

person, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think you're giving him the benefit of it out. I am a little bit.

He definitely let certain people speak and serve people. He has his favorites. He definitely has his

favorites. But what do you think over all about debates? Do you think they're good or no?

I think it's great to have debates because I think right now we're in an era where there's so much

disinformation and it's so intentional that most people only hear one side. So sometimes the debate

will bring one side listening when they never would have listened because their favorite person

is up there debating. So they're actually listening to both sides. Right. So that's why I like

debates. It's not because of the attention. It's because it brings in a new audience of people

that might not ever hear a perspective. If it weren't for the fact that you're debating someone

that they worship. Agreed. Definitely agree. What's the biggest disinformation you're seeing right now

on social media? Well, I think that this issue of Zionism is not anti-Semitism. It's very intentional

campaign from the Jew haters. And it's ridiculous. And the reason it's so ridiculous is because

imagine if you said to an Indian person, I really love Indian people. Just wish India did not

exist. Right. I mean, how are the girls doing? Oh, I love Pakistan. Just Pakistan is just wish

Pakistan didn't exist. Or I love the French. Just wish that whole country didn't exist. That

doesn't happen. It would be absurd. And so it's absurd to say to Jewish people, I love you guys.

Just wish that whole country didn't exist. People are saying that. That's what anti-Semitism is.

They're just saying they don't believe Israel should exist. Wow. Like the whole country. The whole

country. I mean, listen, from the river to the sea, what that means is we want you all dead

from the river to the sea. That's it. So I mean, all of these phrases that sound cute and catchy,

they're about the annihilation of Jews. And then it brings us back to the free Palestine movement.

Palestine has had so many opportunities to have their own land, to have their own independence.

And the reason they have said no every single time is because they don't want to live side-by-side

with the Jews. So they're never going to reach an agreement on that. They want one state.

They want their state. And that's it. But that wouldn't work. Ironically, the Jews

have wanted two states for so long. But every time they've offered it, it's been turned down.

Even as recently as when Bill Clinton offered it to Yasser Arafat, and Yasser Arafat turned it down.

I mean, they do, and then he, and then he went on an escapade of violence against the Jews in

Israel. So I mean, this is a long history, but they do not want, that's why it's so ironic that

all these countries and these ignorant fools who are just following what they see on social media

thinking that they're fighting for a free Palestine, that they're fighting for a two-state solution.

When the people they're fighting for don't want two states.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's wars brought a lot of division, especially on the right.

I feel like, like, how do you see this playing out in the future? Because we might lose 28,

you know, if this keeps dividing the right. Here's how I think. I think it's really dangerous

right now to affiliate yourself with a party. I think that what we have seen in terms of anti-Semitism

is there originally it started on the left with the woke left, which is so ironic, right? Because,

you know, I frankly was always pretty liberal, and I always cared a lot about social services,

and was always very socially liberal and somewhat fiscally conservative, but it put me onto

the liberal side of things. And I think what has happened with the woke left has been so shocking

to me who's fought for every possible minority and ethnicity and equal rights. It's shocking to

me that they have turned into people who are now siding with really people who have no tolerance

for anyone who is not a radical Islamist. So these are countries that would not welcome them.

Right. And so they're fighting for against the only democracy in the Middle East simply because

of ignorance. And then, you know, so that pushed a lot of people in our camp, in the Jewish camp,

or people who are fighting anti-Semitism, it pushed a lot of people into the Mago world. Right.

And let's go right wing. And I think what we've seen recently is that's not always a safe place

to be. Yeah. You know, we don't know if JD Vance is going to ever speak up for the Jews. We see

what's going on with Tucker and how, you know, he's being so widely platforms, and he's not

platforming any Jewish voices. So it's a very scary time to just affiliate yourself with one party.

I always, I did a video saying I'm not a party girl because it's really true. I am candid

up. I candid it. We have allies, you know, that are pro-Israel Democrats, and we have allies that

are pro-Israel Republicans. And it's a candidate by candidate choice for me. And I think that we

would be much better off if more people started thinking that way. I like that. I'm actually probably

the same. Yeah. I've never voted, but I think it's candidate to candidate. Well, then why have you

never voted? If I did vote on the last one, it would have been for Trump. I just, I didn't vote.

Okay. Can I get you to agree on this podcast that you were going to start voting in 28?

In 28. No, for even local elections. I mean, here's the thing. Local elections in some ways,

control your life more than national elections. I've heard that. Yeah, I've heard that. And so we

need you, Sean, to start voting in every single election. My mom used to have the same, my late mom,

saying that if you do not vote, your right to vote will be taken away from you.

And she sort of infuse that mentality in me. And so I used to bring my kids to the voting booth

from a very young age. Wow. As like a celebration. Oh my gosh, we get some votes today. And even

after, you know, the male and ballot came, I would still take them to vote because I wanted them

to be part of the act of voting and sort of make it a habit for them. Yeah. I literally had the

male and ballot filled out. Yeah. But I mean, from now on, I really would encourage you,

because you do have strong opinions. And yeah, you know, you care, like you just mentioned,

you care about the world that your kids are going to be raising and the schools that they're

going to go to and the way you live your life and whether the fire department shows up when you

have a fire, you know, all of these things are really important. And so that's why we all need to

vote. I'll start voting. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Well, the midterms are coming up, right? Yeah.

I mean, but literally like even your school board election, like every single local election.

Yeah. I didn't even know you could vote on that school board election. Yeah. Crazy.

How does that work? They send it to you or? I actually was listening to this obscure podcast

the other day that I wish I could remember the name of it. It's like Middle East something.

And they had this woman who is an evangelical Christian and she had made it her mission to get

these textbooks out of the K-12 curriculum in her town. I think it was in Tennessee.

And what she noticed is that the textbooks were talking about this one incident that happened

in Jerusalem at a restaurant where Jews were killed out of nowhere and it was kind of justifying

it in the in the textbook to K-12 kids. Wow. And it turns out that Pearson, which was the textbook

company was funded by Qatar and Jordan and Egypt. No way. So they're invading the textbooks

in our public schools. So this woman inspired me so much what she did. I think her name is Lori

Cardosa. And what she did was she went to the next school board night meeting or whatever it was.

It was five school board members. And she got a bunch of people to come with her to the meeting

so that she had a team behind her who agreed that this textbook was not okay. And she brought

them all in and she stood up and she looked at the school board members and she said you must

get this out of your curriculum immediately and commit to it. And if you don't you will not be here

come time for next election like we will vote you out. And all five of them voted to keep it in.

Whoa. The next day she woke up and she found she made her mission to find five people to run

for those school board seats. Wow. And she ran their elections for them and got all five replaced.

Shout out to her. I know. Most people would not go through all that. Well, I mean,

that's people always say to me, but I have no platform. How can I be part of this? And it's like

that's exactly what we need. Right. We need local activists in every single school looking at this

kind of stuff because one person can make an enormous difference. Wow. You got me thinking about

the textbooks I use growing up now if they were compromised. Yeah. You know, who knows? Who knows?

It's wild. Yeah, because they teach history from a bias point of view no matter where you're at,

right? Right. That's so true. Yeah. Who knows who made those and what messages they were trying to

when you're that young, you're so impressionable too. So true. I also think just in general like

I think history is taught in such a strange way growing up like I hated history growing up because

I thought of it as like memorizing dates and I wasn't very good at that. It was always so stressed

by that. And if you talk to your kids about it and say it's actually what's happening right now

will be history in 10 years. Right. It makes it so much more accessible. And what I've learned now

it's like what I've learned in the last two years studying the Middle East. I would have loved

history if I'd understood what it really meant to be studying history. Right. But I don't feel like

I ever really fully understood. No, you're right. They teach us definitions and dates and weird

facts to memorize but not the actual like meaning behind these events. Right. Like if you took out

the newspaper and you said see this event that's happened today. One day that's going to become

history. Yeah. How do you think you would write about that if you were a historian? Like

wouldn't that be such a cool way to teach? It would be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's happening now

is going to go down in the history books. All right. It's unbelievable and it's happening so fast.

And you know, I think this is the first war that's really fully played out on social media.

Yeah. That I can remember for sure because I feel like when I was a kid that Iraq war in Afghanistan

like it wasn't really on social media every hour. No. I mean, even the Ukraine Russia war wasn't

this covered on social media. It was for a bit but I feel like this one's just taken over.

I barely see the Ukraine war anymore. I'm like, people that know nothing about war have opinions

about every day of this war. That's because of social media. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one

that's side effect, I guess. Yeah. But all these images, you don't know what's AI now with video.

Even with videos. Well, it's it's so, I mean, with the one thing I will say about the sort of pro-Hamas

pro-Palestinian activists, I consider that a synonym, they are so smart about what they do.

They kind of come up with a new campaign every month so you could constantly be chasing what they're

coming up with. But I know if you remember a few months ago, there was this giant campaign about

malnutrition and hunger and Gaza. Yeah, I remember that child photo. And it was it was I think at the end

of the day, if you look back, less than a hundred people died of hunger and Gaza over that entire time.

And more people in America died in hunger during that time. Wow.

But people became completely outraged over these images. And then when people dug into those images,

they found that most of the images were of kids who had pre-existing conditions. They weren't

actually hungry kids. I remember that one, you know, staged. But again, that line traveled around

the world before the truth came out. Yes, I remember that one. I remember the one on the first aid,

how they were setting up traps with the first aid they were providing, the genocide one.

I mean, it's wild. I mean, if there was a genocide, it's the genocide that's been carried out

against the Jews on October 7th. Yeah, when you break down, I just had to meet

Trion who you met, the ratio of civilian to soldier. It's one to one, according to him. It's the lowest

of any war in history. It's wild. It's the lowest civilian to combat ratio of any war in history.

And, you know, unfortunately, Israel is fighting a war or was, I should say was right now,

was fighting a war against people that don't wear uniforms. Right. So it's hard to tell.

And so they're intentionally blending in with the civilian population. Right. So they want,

I mean, listen, they're hiding underneath and tunnels while they have the civilians living above.

And they're using the schools and hospitals for storage of weapons. So it's impossible

than not to hit that school or hit that hospital because it's not a hospital or a school. It's a

storage facility for weapons. It's a place where terrorists are hiding. And you see this play out,

and it's so brilliant because then in the press, they can say, it's really a hospital, you know,

and it's Israel had a school and they're not expressing what they really are, which is terror

location. Right. You don't hear that part. Hobbs of terror. They, they use people's emotions

against them, right? Because they see this headline of hospital bombed. People immediately start

thinking of sick people, of children, of newborns, right? That's right. And I mean, they know exactly

how to manipulate the public and it's so easy now with AI. It's so easy now with social media to do

that. Yeah, people don't view things objectively. Right. It's just the truth, right? They'll be

scrolling. They don't have the time to sit there and actually think about analytically and see

the numbers. You know, it's funny. I remember taking a class in college. It was my senior year. I

took this class. It was an advertising class at like the Harvard Design School. And it was an

elective. And the teacher said to us, there are two kinds of people in the world. There are people

who absorb advertisements. They, they look at an advertisement and they believe it. Oh, you should

buy this. It's going to make you look younger. And then there are people who look at it and say,

how is this advertising manipulating me? And you're questioning what the advertisement does.

Right. And remember, he was using like a lot of like valic advertisements as an example because

people didn't notice that they were like kind of selling sex when they were selling a perfume or

whatever it was. But people hadn't noticed that. And I had never noticed it before. And then you

start looking at all the advertisements and you think of it that way. I think of that in the way

we need to educate people, not just young people, but adults too, to question what they're seeing in

the media. What perspective does this reporter have? You know, I've gone in rabbit holes and

CNN even.com and just who is this person that was reporting from Gaza? And then you look and that

person has propoused Indian flags all over their, you know, feed. And they're not a legitimate

reporter. A legitimate reporter or journalist is someone who is unbiased. That is their job.

It should be. So if you are getting your news from someone who is compromised, that's not news.

That's an opinion piece. And it seems like a lot of the big ones these days are compromised

for what it comes to reporters, right? I mean, they've infiltrated the newsrooms look. I mean,

Northwestern Medell School of Journalism, probably the number one school still in the country,

maybe in the world. They have a campus in the Middle East. So you can get a degree from Medell

in the Middle East. And what are you doing with that degree? You're going into a newsroom at

the Washington Post or at the New York Times or NPR. And who knows what you're reporting?

I mean, the way I see it is like if they can convince NBA players to read games who are making

millions a year, they can easily convince a reporter that's making maybe six figures. I don't

know how much the average reporter makes or journalists. But I imagine it's like a hundred,

two hundred thousand if I had to guess. Yeah. You could easily convince them, right? Yeah, for sure.

I mean, that's something I hadn't thought of. Think about it. Yeah, they're convincing NBA players.

There's a whole scandal now. I don't know if you saw it. Oh, believe me, I'm following it.

Yeah. And these guys are making millions a year. Some of them make tens of millions.

It's crazy. Some of them were legends like Hall of Famers.

I mean, that's another institution that's been compromised, right? Yeah. If the NBA is compromised.

MLB just got announced to two. It's probably if that if it happened in the NBA, let's be honest,

it's probably happening everywhere. That's one of the biggest sports leagues in the world.

It's it's just really sad. Yeah. What do you believe? What's true? Exactly. So,

podcasters are definitely compromised, reporters, like it's just money talks, are it?

I mean, in many ways, your podcast is an example of the truth because you're

platforming what you believe are two sides of different topics, right? So that can't

be said for a lot of the articles. I mean, look, most articles, when you read an article

in any news outlet about the Israel Hamas war, you are seeing a quote from the God's

in health ministry, which is code for Hamas. They control those numbers. Yeah. They control

those numbers and they're and they're not even real numbers. Yes, you could just say whatever.

It's like seeing a bingo machine where every day they come up with another number. I mean,

the numbers are fake. Yeah. But the fact that reporters are actually using that as a legitimate

thing. All they did was slap kind of a nice term on them, which was God's in health ministry.

And that legitimized them enough to be quoted in articles about the war. It's wild.

I'm at the point now where I pretty much don't read articles. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because I know like there's going to be some bias. Yeah. And it's good to read them and point

out the bias. I do that a lot because I want people to see like, let's redline this. This is not

real news. This is not the news you grew up with. Yeah, I used to really love articles actually.

My dad read the newspaper. I would read that. I used to read. What was in Jersey? I think

it was in New York Times. Oh, I think it was the star. What does it call it? Stars. The star

legend or something like that. Yeah. So he read that sometimes in New York Times when it was

prestigious right back in the day 20 years ago. Exactly. But no, not anymore. And you can't even

sue the New York Times. I had a guest on she said they haven't lost a lawsuit in like 80 years

or something. It's wild. It's like a defamation lawsuit. I just I wish it was seen as forbidden

in terms of like morality to work at the New York Times or to advertise in the New York Times

because I think that would really hit them. Yeah. Well, they're not profitable, right? I know a lot

of newspapers are struggling. Yeah. So whoever's funding them is just I don't know. I think that they

are profitable because of their online numbers. Oh, okay. And they're advertising. But they shouldn't

be because they're not anything like they used to be. Yeah. Well, I knew Bezos when he bought that

one newspaper post post they they weren't profitable. Yeah. I believe so I'd imagine a lot of them

are struggling. But people probably see it as a way to spread propaganda. So they don't even care

for sure. Yeah. I mean, I think that it's they're the number one spreaders of propaganda. A lot

of these outlets. Yeah. It's because they have that. Yeah. Well, they had that reputation for so

long of being great. Yeah. I mean, I I felt a little bit heartbroken by the New York Times. And

the same way I did from my college, it was like both of them broke my heart. Yeah. I've had a couple

hit pieces on me, not from them, but a couple of really prestigious, you know, sites. Really?

Just for having on certain guests. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Which guests? Tate. Andrew Tate. Okay.

Mainly him. I mean, how do you feel about Andrew Tates? I guess here's the problem, right? It's like

Tucker is getting blasted for having Nick Fuente's on. Yeah. But not pushing back on him. I saw that.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about that? Here's a thing. When you had Nick Fuente's on,

you I've listened to a lot of your interviews. And I think you're very honest about where, you know,

I was always I always joke, I have a knowledge gap about that area or whatever. You are very

honest about that's not my area of expertise. Like, I don't necessarily know enough to push back

when someone's saying a fact that they're acting like it's a fact. I would just look dumb if I try to.

Exactly. Tucker has historically been a journalist. That's he he was considered a serious journalist.

He was very proud of that moniker. And so you can't parade yourself out there like Katie

correct too. She does the same thing. She was always a serious journalist. That was how they got

their start. So as a serious journalist, it is your job to push back on someone that is spreading

lies and propaganda. And Tucker did not do that. He did. But he did it with Ted Cruz. Correct.

So I think he picks and chooses. Right. I think he saw Fuente's is on a meteorite rise. And he

maybe he was a little intimidated by his audience. I asked him about it. Well, I asked him about it.

And I asked him about it. And he said, well, you know, he's he's he's a blogger. So it's different.

Fuente says a blogger. That's how he describes it. He's not a blogger. He's leading a movement. That

guy is like correct. Correct. That guy's like that with how he justified it. Yeah, I don't know if

that's a good reason. Well, it's certainly not a good reason. I mean, listen, like you have

millions of people listening to you. You have a responsibility. Yeah. Especially if you were a

journalist, he does have the knowledge to push back. Correct. He does. I could tell he was holding

back on that interview. Yeah. And a lot of things he pushes back on. I mean, he pushes back on

even business interviews. Oh, yeah. The one with the guy. That one was crazy with the AI guy.

Oh, with Sam Altman. Yeah. Yeah. He was so tough on Sam Altman. Yeah. Like, why are you that tough

on Nick Fuente's? That's what I mean. He picks and chooses. Right. Yeah. Sure. I knew what he was

doing. Candice kind of pushed back on Fuente's. Right. I mean, I didn't see that one. She pushed

back. They don't like each other right now, but she's on a whole nother thing with Charlie,

the whole Charlie stuff going on. I mean, I don't know if you've been following. I haven't

been following it. Yeah. She's actually the number one based off downloads. Yeah. Right now,

she's the number one podcast in the world. Three and a half million downloads per episode.

Hate cells. Yeah. Well, I think any sort of drama just sells. Right. Right. Right. It's

crazy times we're in. I mean, but you know, it's funny because like drama is the real housewives.

Drama should not be at the expense of a population of people being endangered.

And so I think we need to differentiate and not let someone like Candice Owens off the hook

for for drama. I mean, she's spewing hate and that hate is dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. What do you

think of the whole Charlie narrative going to like they were blaming Israel? I don't know if you

saw that, but of course they saw that. I mean, listen, they'll blame anything on Israel.

Everything is in the fault. That's what they do. Yeah. So it was natural that Charlie Kirk's

death, which had nothing to do with Israel would be blamed on Israel. Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous.

But listen, that's part for the course. That's the whack-a-mole game that we are now part of.

And I think the more oxygen we give those lies, the longer they last. That one did it make

sense to me because he was so, he was so ridiculous and so bogus and but listen, that's what people

will do. I mean, conspiracy theorists are everywhere in this day and age. It's easier to be one

than ever before. I would say with my age generation of majority of people are conspiracy theorists,

like more than not. Well, by the way, how could you not be when your media's lying to you?

Yeah. We're skeptical. Yeah, you're going to be a cynic. But unfortunately, as we were just

saying, like a lot of them are not cynical about the right things. Right. So if there's a TikTok

video, they'll believe it. But, you know, if someone, if they're professors saying something,

they might not. So it's very complicated. Yeah. I think that we're not arming students with

the means to differentiate between the truth and fiction. They're going to have to figure it out

because with AI, it's going to get worse. Yeah, for sure. They're going to get a lot worse.

It should become a big part of education. They should teach discernment. There should be classes

on it immediately. Absolutely. Even myself, I struggle sometimes, discerning. And I would say I like

take the time to do proper research when I'm a guest on, you know, stuff.

Well, it's hard even like Wikipedia's compromised. Oh, yeah. I never use Wikipedia.

A lot of people use it. Hell no. It's crazy. Really? Oh, yes. They value Wikipedia. A lot of people do

students all the time are using what it has. Why? That's crazy to me. Yeah. You can type whatever you

want on there. Of course you can. If you know a high up editor there, you can tell them the type

whatever you want about someone. Well, and there was a whole thing about how so many of the editors were

anti-Semitic and they were posting a ton of propaganda about it. Yeah. A lot of them are on the left,

too. Yeah. You know, if you look at like people on the right, they don't say the best things

on Wikipedia about them. Yeah. I mean, I think that as we as we saw now, I mean, you know, the friends

on the right, enemies on the right, friends on the left, enemies on the left. Yeah. We it's

case by case. Yeah. I agree. Well, Samantha, this was great. I hope the next time you're on, we

have a friendly little debate. Will you be at America Fest this year? I'm not sure. Okay. What is

America? We'll talk about it. Um, it's Charlie Kirk's yearly event turning point. Oh, the one

that I saw that last year. Yeah. It's a really good line up. Oh, that sounds amazing. Yeah.

I don't plan to. Maybe I should be. Yeah. Maybe I'll set up a debate for you there. But where can

people find you support you and everything? So they can find me. I'm spent all day long on Instagram

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