Sammy Lee | Slot's Liverpool are TOUGH to watch & Is Tuchel Right To Ignore Trent?

Hi, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us another. I can't even get me words out.

No, thank you so much for watching my Boiler Sports because I had a very late night.

It's Monday morning. I only got back to Manchester at one o'clock in the morning.

There might have been a few drinks on the way home, but I'm here, Sam.

Yeah, but just didn't imagine if you had turned, had to turn up and you'd lost.

Oh, yeah. At least, you know, you're still on the, uh, the high of, uh,

winning the, when he's yesterday's final, of course, which was a great trophy to me.

That was a great, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

You saw our own point. It was to all the players and Pep, I don't know,

of the, of this season, of course. And, uh, it stops Micheal Arte to picking up a trophy in

six years. No, it's like, you mean, so it pops a bit more pressure on them. And, uh,

and, uh, obviously, uh, I thought, uh, uh, uh, flare in the end of a tactics one.

Well, let's get into it, but we best, um, we best introduce our guest, because they just heard

the voice there. I'll listen as heard the voice. It's our, he was our first ever guest on the

podcast, you know, so our first ever guest. It's the first time here in the new studio as well.

So it's just a big, big, big mate. Sammy is with us today. Sammy Lee and, uh, look forward to

listening to his thoughts, of course. We might touch on Liverpool's course season as well.

I think what you mean, which is, he's, uh, he took me to the Liverpool Man City game at a great,

great, great day in terms of hospitality. The only thing with me is it wasn't, it doesn't affect

me too much result, but it does. Sammy, because Man City came to win that one, but it was a great day

out. And I got, well, looked after by Sammy and his mates. So, uh, great to have you back, mate.

As always, it's actually for Lee, I think. Thank you for being here. The time on, but obviously,

you were our first guest ever, so it's always lovely to reminisce on that, right? Let's get

into the car about. First guest ever, what date was that then? It was, it was the World Cup 2020

to three, one, two, come on, your brand. 2022. And it was October on November, 2022.

Well, that's four years. Four years. Yeah, nearly four years. We've been, we've been

clinging on ESM. Wow. Definitely studio as well, eh? Different, yeah, different, different,

new sponsor. Brilliant. More new listeners. Welcome, everybody. Right, I'm going to give you,

let me bask in this for a minute. PEPs records since he's been at City now. Six Premier League's

five league cups, three community shields, two FA cups, a Champions League, a Super Cup,

and a club World Cup. Stronger, mate. Yeah. Brilliant. You look like you're

struggling after the game. Yeah, I haven't seen him that animated on any trophy win.

Loves it, don't you? I don't know why he's apologised.

Why is he apologised? I think I'm listening on talk sport coming in, like you mean, when he said

you know, I think he said I'm not apologising for the way I am because I've really, really enjoyed

the victory like you mean. Well, he's old, obviously, who is just across the Switzerland,

wasn't he? You know, Arthetta, I think he'd do X, so closely together for such a long time.

I don't see the fact that I'm now he's just in, you know, you can see Arthetta lent an awful

love from him from PEP, I think, but in terms of his actions on the line and his instructions.

And I think it's not PEP though. No, no, no, completely different animal. I don't,

there's no love lust between them. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, that's the competition

in football. Yeah. It's good. Listen, if you win a trophy, you should be overjoyed and, you know,

because it means so much to everybody. It's the combination of all the hardware. And it's the first

trophy you can win. Not, you know, in March. Fantastic. Back in the day, you got your out of qualification.

You know, so it was always, you know, fantastic. And we again, but I'm talking about us. We won

the fourth time in a consecutive, from H1 to H4. You know, I never said the tone and for the rest of the

season. Fantastic. And I think that was the key thing about it for the city fans as well.

Sammy, it was the fact that it was against Arsenal. Yes. Yeah. And now going into the end of the

season, it gives us that little psychological lift. And the underdogs weren't they? Yeah, they were

yay. Yeah. A man's city with the underdogs going into the final, which is, which is, you know,

which is unusual. I'm unusual saying that, you know, over the last few years, like, I mean,

anybody planning its man's city, the man's city would have in the fair, but I think more,

most people were thinking that the way cities up and down season has been, it would be

Arsenal. They were so strong in the Champions League and the league and getting through to the

final. You know, they're, you were to put them favourites. I think you got a game in hand over them as

well. Yeah. Yeah. Palace, but it's not being, it's not being rearranged. Yeah. You've got eight

games where everyone's got seven games to go out. And he's got a lot of football. Yeah. He's

24. Yeah. Yeah. He needs it. He needs one of those runs seasons that he did when he beat Liverpool.

Was it how many, how many wins are that? Four, yeah. It was, oh, yeah. You know, you're right. I've

got 14, but I think it might be 21, actually. I did. We do 21 in a row. You know, that wins.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was something like that. That should have been only that. Yeah.

I mean, I'm close to father. I think you get, you get, you sense that, you know, we got our

sets. And this guy, they'll be, you know, they'll be nervous as well, won't you? Because they've

had, they've had, they've had previous on their, you know, botlands, shall we say towards the end.

And they see what I'm just saying, because I thought second half of the city totally dominated them.

Oh, so I've never let them, you know, they actually woke me up.

Yeah. Honestly, I was, I'd been out for Sunday lunch and I had rose me if you actually put in

the, the trimmings, a couple of pints to get back and get settled down. I've got the telly on

that looking at, and obviously the, the way to the me a lot, you know, it's making me

thought it's a dose. And then the games that I said, come on, keep me, get me on the edge of the

seat like you mean. And then it did. No, it did. Yeah. But I think finals are always like that.

And I think they always sense affairs, particularly first off, you know, I think they were testing

each other out two great teams. I didn't really, I didn't really do any on two very good teams.

And you can sense that that was, that was happening. But then the second half, we just totally

different. These just came out the blocks flying city. Ten pole were better. They're much better.

Movement, the ball and players were better. And obviously that young man.

And they just, I've listened to him after. And he just, one thing he looked like he didn't want to,

he didn't want to be the talk. And he wanted to get out of it. It's quick because he couldn't

quite make quiet on the sum in nice, nice, nice humility. He got the humility. He was 21 on Saturday.

Too great. Wow. Really, really, really good goals. That's your rally foul. Now, isn't it?

Well, no, it's not a rally foul. Please be in there from left back. It's like

lifelong blue went through every year group of the city. That's lovely. That's lovely.

And fair play together made off and really am made off. And because someone's come to the

the structure, you know, from being a young boy right to the first team and just got two

couples in the Wembley Coffal. Wow. Wow. And he's got at the Bernabar last year. At the end of

last year this season. He's doing the dog. He's doing it all. He's doing it all.

Do you think when you know, perhaps celebrations, people are saying that he was celebrated so

heavily because it might end up being his last trophy? I personally think he was just celebrating

so much because he was just really happy to win at trophy. I think so. I've got to be honest,

I mean, I wouldn't know for me. It's just showing the joy in his face and the people that

doubt him talking about wanting to go away. That showed me the exact opposite for me.

Not the fact that the passion that he had in for it, you know, and again, I repeat,

he's up against his all adversely and I said to you know, that the guy we brought through,

you know, so to go in with that game, you know, I think it was fantastic and not

to think that he looks like he's going to move for me. Sure, the passion that still is in him,

you know, and that that transfers to his plays and to the supporters. You know, I have to say,

you know, you're about to be nominated. I think your supporters are very animated as well

because you've been exercised in the past avenue and also, and I think that there was a

togetherness with them because as you saw rightly say, do you think there's underdogs which

not many perhaps he was doing? Sometimes, no. Yeah, there was that sense of us against the

world and I was thinking we're the best when we're like that. But we think we are by the way.

Yeah, yeah, probably all football fans and when you get that seed mentality together and also

it really helped that it was us, you know, you know, this worry about them doing the quad.

I'm so happy now that they cannot, they can't do better than what we've already done.

So I think that played into it as well. I was excited as well by the attack Sam. So if you

look at Docu's 23, Turkey's 22, it's a menu 26. Obviously, Harland at the front there who's

still only 25. But can we just talk about Ray and Cherokee, please? Because I'm fully in love with

the man. What did you make? Paul Juggling of the key piece. Oh, I'll tell you well. And Pep

wasn't, that was he. No, I think white left a little bit on him, you know, because

they're saying there's one thing being confident, but I think that was, it's not for me, that,

you know, it's not for me. I've got to be on the show. I don't think it was for Pep, you know,

but it's not for me if how we're playing against him. He might be in hospital now. Ben White

took him out after the day. I'll tell you. That's what you're risking. You're like taking the

Mickey like, you know, you're, you're already in a, in a dangerous planet, planet there on the football

pitch for somebody's going to tell you, you know, say, yeah, take that. Because in success,

you still got to be respectful of the opposition. And I felt that you were a little bit of a lack of

listen. You made this agreement. I don't know what I'm saying here. I don't think anybody in

football would do it there with accepting. No, I completely understand what you're saying. I

think, you know, he's 22. It's his first time, you know, playing at Wembley. It's his first time

he's on a major trophy. But all I kind of thought about it was always talked about, and we talked

about on this podcast, I talk about it with my friends. We all talk about how boring the Premier

League's been this year. And then someone comes along with a bit of flair and a bit of personality,

and we want to immediately bring them down. No, no, we just spoke about the young Kerala,

fantastic humility. And then we scored two goals. You come right away through the, you know,

the academy thing. That's wonderful, you know, and again, listen, people can celebrate in different

ways. We just, I, I thought, well, it was, well, Pep, it was fantastic. I didn't see any problem

in that at all. As a professional, whether there's a player or a coach, I wouldn't encourage what

he did. But listen, as you say, he's 22 years of age. He's a first time at Wembley's. He's at

Manchester City. They're going to win their first, his first trophy. But I think you can celebrate

it in different ways, I think. So anyway, use, use the ability to actually gain an advantage

against the opposition, like a J. J. Coacher. You know, flick it over, you're ready and come out

with a ball at the other side. Yeah. Use it to take the Mickey.

Not for me. I love it. I think, I love it. I think it might be where fans and

course, but the, the manager won't encourage you. No, we will not. They don't remain, but, you know,

what did you make as I've been able to play in Kepa ahead of David Ryan as well?

Listen, don't talk about that rubbish. It's not worth talking about. What about your

render? Putting your goal in and not your big goal. Yeah, no, and I mean, so it's all crap,

right? You mean, just because you made a mistake and they're all going on about it, listening to

Ali, Ali, I mean, that's like better, Ali, who's been a manager at Rangers for all the

years, like saying what they're doing playing the second end going on, keeping all that crap,

like, I mean, such a mouth, Ali, all you lot. He's done it all the way through. He's gone to the

final and then he makes a mistake. So he needs to say that he doesn't say that if you

put the number one goal, anyone to make a mistake, you can't say. Yeah. So the other end,

there's no, no problem. He said, yeah, the other end. Yeah. In the first, well,

you know, we don't know which goal he would have done it, but I mean, he made two, three

saves in one goal that would have put Chelsea one, they'll up. And nobody's talking about why

does he put him in? Yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, I just don't, you know, I think he

has to respect the manager's wishes, don't you know what I mean? And his choices. It's always

you know, people could probably point out, I'm criticizing all the time. I know, but not that.

I mean, you do the job you've got, you've got all the 25 players you've got to keep at it.

If you're not going to play him in that, in that composition, when are you going to play him?

Then if you need him, the absolutely crap, because you've never played him. And basically,

the fact that he played throughout the tournament, you know, so I think he's well,

when he's right, but listen, as I say, I wouldn't, because the size management for the choices

you make, because there's always a reason behind it, whether it be fitness, whether it be forum,

whether it be, you know, sentiments, you know, so I'd never criticize it. And I think as you

saw, really said, no one would have said a word if he'd come out trouble free, but there may

have been a bit of a mistake for the gold. Everybody's on his case. He's got more experience as a gold

keeper than, than, than, than, more sql, particularly, I mean, I mean, so it's not as if he's in

experience. You know, so if peppered a change, Trafford, for Don Rumi yesterday, I'd been disappointed,

because he'd done such a good job to get to the final. Trafford's got less experience. And,

you know, I mean, you know, you've got, you've got many Premier League games under his belt,

and as you saw, you lose, you lose to keep it. And, you know, if you don't pick him, you don't

select him, and you've had him all the way through, and you don't select him, and who's to say that,

the number one keeper for once of a better phrase wouldn't have made that mistake. But if you'd

have left him out, then you lose to keep it anyway. And I think you've got, you know, you need back

ups all the time. You need minutes as backups. And the main fact that you play throughout the

tournament, I didn't see that there'd be any problem. Yeah, I completely agree. In terms of the

obviously the keeper made an error yesterday, I saw a stat about the number of errors arsenal of

made recently. So between August and December, there was, they made just one error that led to a

goal. But since January, they've made seven in 22 matches that have led to goals. Do you think

the nerves are getting to them? Or is it just, you know, I don't think it's coincidence.

Yeah, definitely. The alternative, you know, I think obviously we're getting to the real

business. And now they, you know, the city we've got eight games, Arsenal got seven, I believe,

is that right? So obviously that wouldn't have helped yesterday, for sure. You know, we've got

to talk to tough running, you know, but they certainly wouldn't have helped their mentality

moving into the final stages of season. Since you've let them off the hook. Yeah.

You've let them off the hook. The draw against West Ham. Two minutes. Two minutes. You know,

I mean, you just, you know, it made it easy for them. It's not easy, easy, but it's the easiest

it's the easiest time for them. Apart from, was it his second season or the first season?

And he was seven points ahead and he blew it and Man City kept winning, but I mean,

this time Man City and not as lethal as they were in the last few years. And that's a rebuild.

But you just pointed out the ages of the players. So it's been a complete, nearly a complete

rebuild. I don't know whether I'm in the minority. I quite admire that, you know, because,

you know, people see easy, you know, for them to run up all the time, but to keep consistently

getting teams up there fighting. I think there's got a lot, I've got a lot of admiration for them,

you know, and whatever other people think about his antics on the line, it's three years,

but I just have to think for someone to get them there so consistently, he's doing something

right. And people think it's an automatic thing that you finish second, that you should then go

on with the league net. It was a way of like that. I mean, it just doesn't. For balls not like that.

I'm sorry, mate. I'm sorry. I still think Arsenal will win the league. I think City will take

them close to it, but I still think for win the league. Right, we're going to talk about Liverpool

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then sorry, Sammy. It's a great. It's a great. I don't know what's happened to Mo Salah.

Is that another new contract again that's done it? How many times have I talked about a new contract

to a player that's one of the key players to the team and then all of a sudden there's a downspiral

in his performance in his consistency. I don't know. The association of a large contract and

big money should inspire the player to improve and get better and not to decline. But we've seen

so many times where somebody signed a new contract and then we've seen it. Sorry, Marcus,

Rashford, I thought, like you mean, we've seen it quite a few. I've seen it personally with

some of the players I have had seen their best seasons have been the last season of their contract

and then we've given them a new contract and then there's been a dip. So it's quite concerning,

particularly the sort of money they demand today. You get more money. You should play better.

You should be more dedicated. I was the NFL at all and with them, when they get to the next big

contract is the best. It's always better than the previous guy and they pay the same

listener you get in the best contract. So you should be playing the best. So I think that's

that should apply to every sport as well, but I think it's not just Mo Salad, always.

No, it's not just David. I'm saying something. I wouldn't put on one. I'm like, you know,

I find it difficult to explain to be on show. I mean, go to every game. It's a difficult watch

at this moment and that's it really is and we know where the narrative leading towards.

But like I don't agree with that. I don't think it's all down to the mind. I really don't

honestly. I have to say to you for me, at some points, the players have got to take responsibility

and accountability. I don't understand where the narrative is going and a lot of people back

home in Liverpool this year. But I can't argue with the facts. We talk about 21 of the tests you

on game. We've been out run. Is that run out run out run? Oh, what have you got? Because I read

26 out of 30. What did you do? Well, I had 26 as once said 21. So I'm saying that. Yeah, it's

still far too much. Too much, you know, really as you know, and you know, we get to use

millenials. A fantastic, a fantastic pro. He outrun the whole of our midfield. At 40. Well,

that's done to the coach. Well, you just say that. But I'm saying to well, I'm not being

funny. Maybe we can disagree on this. I know where the narrative is leading. But I have to

no one stops me from running. No one tells me that I can't run. No one tells me that I can't

go and close people down. No one tells me that I can't go forward. If you do, that mean you

would act, which we argue, you know, many, many cases, you know, but I'd have to say to you,

I don't, I don't, again, I repeat, I know where the narrative is going. But for me, for me,

if it's all about the collective for me, you know, and I have to say to you, I think we've all got

responsibility. We have, we've gone on the accountability. And I don't, I don't, we've

had some great years of approval recently. And I repeat, it's very hard to embark to back titles

that you've done it, you know, the targets on your back in any sports. And I can't really explain

what's happening. But as I say, it's a difficult watch and I can't, but when you're getting these

stats on something, somewhere has got to change, you know, you've either got to get yourself on

this, this, this team meeting, you've all got to get someone, someone's got to change that

because I wouldn't like to come off and be told that Millie, who's a fantastic pro,

played for Liverpool many years. Forty years old. Forty years old, as Outland, all of us.

All of them. You know, I think that's a very jamming stats. They're on 5K, more than us, apparently.

I'm talking about bright, right? Right, right. It's obviously you've beaten, beaten to bright,

and then we can do one. Yeah, and the top one, we do, they've done nine kilometres more than us,

apparently. You know, which is, it's ridiculous. No, no. I got to lead United,

be Elsa, right? I'm allergic to being Elsa. I went to the stats and pulled all the stats up,

number one, lead United. I intensity and sprint distance, top of the league, top of the Premier League,

which means they've got one of the biggest chances of not getting relegated, even though they're

not good enough, right? Two coaches later, yeah, I get to leads, third from bottom.

Lot of the same players, few different ones. So the coaching, yeah, because it's technical and

tactical, it's got rid of the physical capabilities of the team running, rather than the opposition,

and this is where all this tippy-tappy crap is coming in. So they're going all this crap,

and this all shit running around that, and they're forgetting it if they don't go up and down,

like that, more than the opposition. Yeah. You can't play football unless you can run.

You have to pack in, well, I think a nearly facet of the game, of winning football games,

the football becomes second sometimes to head, which tells them off a lot, I mean,

I'm possession doesn't win games anymore, not like you used to. But for me, it's about possession,

with progression, with penetration, and that's what it's all about. Again, I don't want to put

on anyone individually, certainly don't want to put on a match out, don't want to put on any

place. I think we've all got to get together as a collector, because we've got seven games to go.

We need, I'll give you our next game, we're talking about, we play City in the Corp,

Palisade Jamal, Fulham, Palisade Jamal, Everton, and Palace. But they have fantastic games,

they have fantastic games, and they've got to be on a sheet, you know, the way. And again,

honestly, we've had some great, so it may just be a psychological kickback,

so I'm off the winning side, you know, maybe that being said, we've considered more goals later on,

than the most times I think it is, you know, so I think I don't need exact stats,

but I rather don't go to one individual, and again, I repeat, I know where the narrative is going,

and I know I make a lot of criticism, because a lot of people may want to aim it at one person,

they're saying, we all stand together, you know, you know, it's constructive though,

I mean, you know, my criticism's a lot more asher, but yours is constructive criticism on the fact that

maybe I could save it to Sam, you know, maybe that's what it is, maybe I'm a coward.

No, no, no, you love the club, you know, for me, I think we, you know, if we have the success,

I mean, we all got to bask in the fairly as well, and I think we all got to get together

and sort this out, but again, these are damning stats, you know, 26 out of 31 being outrun,

that doesn't tell the whole story, because there's eye intensity runs in that as well,

and get that, when we're seeing what we're seeing, these kind of, these eat you in the face.

Is it too alarming for the fans, Sammy, given what they were used to under a yoga club?

Well, it's, it is alarming, it's not too alarming, because for the simplest, we've still got a lot

to play for, you know, but it is alarming, and it's, it's just a point, and again, again,

I know where the book stops, I know that, and I know a lot of people tell me, but again, I think

because it's a collective, and I keep on saying this, then we're all accountable, we're all

responsible, so I don't just want to put it on one department, one person, for me, it's about the

club, where it is, for sure, alarming, and it's quite disappointing, and I've got to be honest,

I go to every, it's a bit of a difficult watch, not, I've never said about the book for a problem,

it's a bit of a difficult watch at the moment of time, but it can be fixed, it can be remedied,

I feel. Sammy, you mentioned a couple of times that you know, you said you know where the narratives

go in, I just wondered what you meant by that, is it, is it that slots the problem?

No, no, I'm saying the narrative is surrounding that, you know, a lot of people from the outside

are saying that, which, and that's why I'm trying to, and again, I'll get criticized for it,

but I'm trying to defend it because we've been coaches, we owe me, you know, I understand

that the pressure is on it, you know, and the book stops it, and I understand that, that's from

me saying about the narrative, and the outside noise is saying that, but listen, we're a Liverpool

footballer, we don't do that, but something's got to change, that's you know what I mean,

because I'll say to you, one thing that is so-one Liverpool like is, as I say, 26 out of 30,

21 or 21, we're being outrun, you know, it's so-one Liverpool like where one guy, 40s of age,

although he's a fitness fanatic, Millie, you know, he's outrun and all that midfield, so

somebody's got to change that car, and again, it's not all about the numbers, don't get me wrong,

but when the numbers are in the face and we're looking at the difficult watch, then you know,

you start putting two together, two and two together, it may make five, but I'm saying to you for me,

I'm trying to emphasize the fact that I know where the narrative is going down,

and I know where the book stops, but again, I repeat, and I thought, I want this made clear,

it's not only one person's responsibility, I think it's down to everybody's to get to get to

there. I said this with team last year, you can't get rid of him, you just don't do this, not

after, when he will, who's coming to Liverpool, one of the previous managers, pretty successful,

right, and then when the league, and only by one player, I mean, that's miraculous. By the way,

the extra atmosphere at Liverpool, with all the changes that made it the ground, that's really

an unsitting made it even better, I mean, it was good before, it certainly, well, you've got more

people in, you know what I mean, but the fact that they've kept it, they've kept it an amfield,

and they've gone through the process of little by little, making it bigger and bigger,

some things that they should keep, aren't he slightly in the manager next season, do you agree?

Yeah, that's what I was leading to, to be honest, yeah, I think again, I know, I get from

saying, of course, I'll get criticised, but at the end of the day, we don't do that, and you

mentioned, as I said to you for me, you know, the targets on our back, there's been a fall off,

there's no doubt about that, that can be physically, as we've mentioned, it'll be psychologically,

as well, because the big thing within this premiership, you know, and I say anything,

there's always a little bit of a downside for the next season, you know, but I think once again,

you know, we can kick on again, all these guys, the players we brought in, said to be lost,

he said, because they're bad engineering, he starts to come back now, and I think you mentioned

before about second season, when you come in, bed in the minutes, I think it'll be better next season,

and you know, for me, you know, I want to honest, stay, I want to honest, stay, I lost the question

nothing, well, no, it's a question, yeah, exactly, and if he doesn't, it'll bring in.

Well, obviously the name that continues to circulate, you know what I'm going to say,

is Javier Lanzo, obviously because of his history within the club, and the fans,

you know, they love him, and the success that he had at Levacus, and not so much, you know,

was Real Madrid, but you know, with Levacus, and rumours in football circulate, you will all know

this better than I will, rumours are circulating currently that Florian Fertz has been in communication

with Javier Lanzo's assistant manager Sebastien Paria, suggesting and rumours are that they've

started to explore, talking to Vertz about what it's like in the dressing room, what's the

environment, it's like if they should be taken over, and obviously rumours always stay like that.

It's a case, Liverpool are out of order, certainly manager, pay him off, get on with him and bring

him in there, because is that work? Yeah, I just like all these rumours. Yeah, I mean, it's like,

there's all these things about tapping up managers in the job, not tapping them, we all know it

was online, I mean, but when it comes to doing it now, why do they need to do it now?

Yeah, you know, before you know, I do really have the season, it's not in another job where

you're telling him what to bring him in. So don't forget, as I said to you before, we're still in

the FA Cup, we're still in the quarterfinal of Champions League. You could win two trophies,

you mentioned it, and I was having a question with that beer, with that beer bath season.

1981, you know, we even go back that far, it was in charge, we had to be in 15th in the league,

not, okay, we won the league cup as it was then, the Calibur Cup, you know, it was against West,

I mean, I said, we then went on to a new European cup, no one ever talks about that in about

season, you know, and we're only in March, and that's why I said, the Calibur Cup, the

league cup, the milk cup as it was, you know, that's why it was so important to win that because,

you know, it took the minute of the pressure, first bit of silverware, and then you kick on them,

and I still believe in going on, you mentioned that about rumours, and before you know,

it would tell, we're asking where's the best place to live in Liverpool, you know what I mean,

going around all these stage agents, I just liked that, because I know, whatever people think,

I know for, we know for well, that all in his back and stuff will be, we're working so, so

well, to try to put this right, you know, and if they're not, then okay, then I'll leave

myself on to exercise, but I think just because it's away from the game, they'll be working tirelessly,

being on a phone feature, they've been on through game, through film, through videos,

I know for well, they'll be trying to put, where cars will put it right, that being said,

you know, we're talking about 31 games in, so people, you said, well, I get that, but we mentioned

before all, all the aspects that can come in to damaging this, you know, and affecting this,

whether it be new players, whether it be psychological, whether it be physical,

and as you're standing, I think it'd be wrong for Liverpool to change them, I do personally anyway.

Yeah, in terms of Javier London, of course, you worked with him when you were a coach and a

referee, you said he was one of the best players you worked with. To the FA, to the FA, to the FA.

I'm just wondering, she started, she started, she made her room aware, she said, what are you doing

again, talking about, just because she played well, they're going to be a good manager. I'm not saying

that, I'm just asking you what Javier, I'm also like. What are you doing? You can play, don't

never said the such words. No, stop it now, you too. I just wondered what he was like when he

goes to him. No, he's terrific. You know, you know, you bring players in, you know, for a

world of talent this day. Again, I was going to offer a lot of them, they didn't need that much

coaching, because the talent was there as well, just saying, you know, Stevie J, you know,

yeah, everyone talks about, you know, people always, I'm going to, on the co-tails of a coach,

Stevie J, I would never do that. Now, because of the simple reason, Stevie, as a lot,

didn't need coaching, because he was just a terrific talent. What do you do need? It's a little

bit of structure, look with the guidance, parameters, not just overstep, you know, but they're,

them guys, you know, the talent was there for all to see. See that there. We talk about all this,

all that, all these coaches that want to be coaches, all these coaches have got all this,

it'll have been his problem at Real Madrid. Try to coach them. Yeah, he managed them.

You know, Caroline Jolotti managed them. They coached them, but they made it clear what,

what they had to do to set out. I mean, I saw the best defensive set up of a Real Madrid side ever,

when they played at Man City in the second leg. Yeah, and as fans, we often like it when

players come from abroad and they take on the culture of our city, like I always think Vincent

Company became like a proper mancunian. Was Alonzo one of those, did he take in the Scouse culture,

didn't love the city? He did, at the Tottas did as well, but the main one had that to be on,

and I said to Sam before, the main one who did that was Jan Mobi. Jan Mobi?

I'm on the side. If you go saxing, yeah, if your viewers come on the side, I may wish you

to get Jan on, you know, but then, no, please do, you don't have to get him all up to him.

But I think that's the joy when you, honestly, when you come to our football club,

you know, people say Scouse is in the team. Now, once you join Liverpool football club,

you know, a part of the family, as I say, as we share, we try to encourage, and you're all

part of that, that lovely family, you know, you know, everybody borrows you, you know what I mean,

so the world against us, and we love all that, and I feel the fact that when they come in,

they're part of that, you know, the Liverpool players, Liverpool players, and no more so than

them guys, you, as you say, you mentioned Alonzo, but also I say Fernando Tottas, which you love the

players. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

We, um, talking about Javi Alonzo, obviously, with the rumours, but then also Real Madrid,

of, have this interim manager now, obviously, he was our belower, he was at Liverpool,

um, there's a famous story, a story that we heard about Alonzo splitting off a fight between Jamie

Caragher and our belower, and you were the coach at the time, all these things are fitting for this

story. Can you remember that? Okay, and he was on the bit, when you're my size, you stay, I was

well in fact, you let them sort that out, you know what I mean? I, I, I, I, I, I, I always remember

even if I can't, I made a big mistake of trying to front him on time, and, um, I was, I was, I was

sliding back as he was from, you know what I mean, sort of, never again, never again, and the,

the beauty of that, about Sammy was, he could speak Spanish and know what Spanish is going on,

so when you've got, when you've got somebody who's speaking their own language, sometimes,

if you've got somebody there, and they don't know you know about that language. Yeah, it's a great

advocate about what they might be saying. But to go back to that, did you say, I think it came out of that, didn't it?

Yeah, it came out of that. Yeah, it came out of that. But you spoke something in Spanish in your way, what did you say?

Yeah, and that, and as someone's quite often said about me, me, I, I can't speak any language good, you know what I'm saying?

You said, I've done them, but I've said this before, I might say, and that's how many,

Ronald Coleman and Sammy speaking Spanish in my office at the Crystal Palace after the game.

How about that? You should think what we're calling him?

Well, I'll say in my last, soon speaking Spanish, I understand him better.

But to go back to the initial thing about the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the speed

would carry around a bit, and I was, do you know what that was? Because they're all winners,

yeah, and it wasn't going right on that particular moment, and they were challenging each other,

you know, maybe some of you made a bit more of that. Now you know what I mean? And all they

want to do is win. You can see the pie, the, the, the passion starting on the fire within them.

That's what that came about, because they're all winners. Look at Albalon now, he's managed

the Real Madrid, Carter, top-punted the powerful on him, you know, like so. So you can see what they,

they want, you know, sometimes you, you left them all the time on training parks,

training pitches, or whether they'd be in, in actual matches, you know,

Bruce Grovel and Jim Begglin in the final, for them, kind of things happen because you want

the best for your football. And that's why I said before, and that's about, I'm bringing

the back to all get together, resolve the sorts of those. Obviously, Albalon at Real Madrid now.

Did you, at the time, was there any signs that you thought he'd become a, you know, he was a

thinker on the game. He knows how it's about that. They said, you never ever think that they're

going to get to the level as players, not alone to get there, and coach Real Madrid, you know, so,

but, you know, that's like the kind of, kind of as a thinker on the game, you know, some,

he's a student of the game, you know, you listen to him now, and you, you know, I have to say to you,

you know, I think he may be better than going to coaching because he's so demanding, so challenging,

he's standard, so high, that I don't think he would have had that, nobody would have been ever

to live up to his standards in his eyes, you know what I mean. So, and that's not a criticism,

not an observation, college is just, he's such a student of the game, I have to say to you,

for me, he's the epitome of what I would want from a young kid coming through the academy at

Liverpool to be, you know, it's come right the way through, where hard are the skills and the sound

of wholeness, silence, fitness, fat work on his fitness, great attitude, want to improve on every

single day, and that's like a coach, so I won't tell you how. He challenged you every single day,

every single day challenge that, and I know there's a coach, and as long as I've got the answers for him,

I didn't mind, you know, but he was, yeah, he likes to have a low and a long zone and covers

and steveys, they just, they were just sponges, they're just talking everything you want,

but again, challenging because they want to improve every single day.

I've got some quick fire Liverpool questions for you, Sammy, but just to say as well,

I am learning Spanish, Sammy, I've been learning for 18 months now, and I have a dream,

my dream is that I'm in a lift one day and someone says something about me, and they don't

know I speak Spanish, I didn't add jump in, let's say I understood that, like a sick dream.

It has its advantage, you know, you can get earbuds now until translate.

Oh my goodness, I've seen them, then glasses that people wear as well, that one's like in January, yeah.

Tomato glasses, yeah. Stop being lazy Sam, just let me.

No, no, no, no. This man, on this lady's, obviously, I didn't spend that long in Spain,

but when he came to work with me at Bolton, and you know, we had a, we had to try and

get somebody at the training ground, so at least speak Spanish or French or Italian, which

was the broadest and most languages across the world because we couldn't need them to

communicate with them at some stages, you know what I mean. So it was a real bonus

at the fact that you can, but I tried, you know, I've been to Spain for Tunisia, I'm

crappy English, no mind Spanish. I find it really hard, but I'm sticking with it. I'm sticking

with it. I'd love to get to the point where I could speak to a Spanish player in an interview,

so that's like outside, if you know, tripping somebody up in a lift, that's very real.

It's common, it's common. That's my real dream. Okay, I've got some quick file Liverpool

questions for you. Okay. Best trainer that you worked with.

The question, I'd have to say to you, I mentioned it before, we're up to it. As a coach, you

mean as a coach? Yes. Okay, I'd have to say to you, I mentioned the two guys before,

Stevie and you cut us because he challenged us all the time, but one of the ones I've coached

about it, you know, she was Lucas Leyva. I say this all the time because young Brazilian

kid who came over, never got the credit he deserved, but honestly, as a coach, he listens

to it everywhere and he wants to approve on a daily basis. As did they all, but people

don't realize what, you know, because you always think it's going to be Stevie or Carlos,

it's it that up there, but Lucas Leyva is certainly deserves, deserves his job, but Stevie

with that as well. Biggest personality. I've been very fortunate, you know, being as a player

I'm there and as a coach, that's from fantastic personalities. I mentioned young mom before,

you know, I played with Bruce Grover, you know, so our characters, you know, personality,

but it up to say to you, Graham Graham should ask for the one, because yeah, everything,

personality, your technicality, you know, your physicality, you know, you know, you know,

your own, yeah, everything, honesty and you know, one that he even smelled better than the rest

you really did. The first one to use the old one to have to share. I think he had blues,

I think he had blue every other spice. Who was the most skillful player you worked with?

Who would have been a few? He's been an absolute few. That many components would be skillful,

but things would have overall effect, overall effect of the football team. I'd have to say that

out to be Stevie's yet out for the number of reasons. You know, skillful, you'd be dribbling

it could be, but the skill comes in to making the team a better team. And I think Stevie

was in the team that wasn't the greatest, if you like, although that's some great plays

in there. But I think he pulled the team up by a sock. And I think for me, he was the

most skillfully effective player, yeah. A player who was better in training than they

were on that piece. It's been loaded down. It's been loaded. It's been loaded. It's

loaded down. I leave that one aside if you don't mind. The times I've stopped the session

while I was saying, why would you not do that on a match day? It wouldn't be a pick, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I will push you, Sammy, I respect you. I play who was better on match days

than they were in training. I was just a few of them again. I don't have to say it's yeah,

rushy. But rushy was where the regard was being won over. You know, one thing's for sure,

it's match day performance. It was certainly better than it is there. Monty's to fly to you. But

that's yeah, it may sound like a criticism of rushy, but it's wanting for sure. Just don't

what you did on the pitch. We're any dead of two to the better of everybody. Two questions I

for Liverpool, quick ones, who was better, Torres or Suarez? You know, for me, I'd have to say it,

it'd have to be Torres. Now again, I may be in the minority of people always say about Suarez

and things he did, but I thought that the time that Fernando Torres spent with us, as I said

before, he's going to ingratiate himself into the culture. I'm not saying that Suarez didn't,

but I just had to think he loved the place here. And I thought he had a great affinity with the

fans, both great players, both great players, but I think Torres would be for me. Okay, my last

Liverpool question for you. Well, my last quick fire question for you. Who did you enjoy working

with the most? Big Sam. Oh, you can't say that. You can't say that. You can't say that.

You can say Raffer if you want to. You can say Raffer if you want. I don't mind. Now, listen,

you've listened to different two different two different animals. And I'm not going to sit on

the fence, although I have to say to you, what I tried to do now to wherever you caught your

work with, right, was to try and gleam the best out of it, you know, and Raffer, as you know,

wasn't a great friend of Sam's. No, not a great. And a great thing. But again,

I repeat, and it's not because I'm on his podcast. It's not because of working so many times.

This guy was up there with them, you know, and I'm not, I'm not talking about it. And it's all

and again, I'm, I know what the people told us before. Never guessed the credit he deserves.

Never guessed the credit he deserves. You know, again, I've worked from fantastic management,

to be his friend, Gordon Addison, to be Kenny Douglas, you know, with Raffer Benitez, Ronald

Coleman. Honestly, it doesn't, doesn't, doesn't get exactly deserves. And, you know,

mainly because he's quite on the stage while he's done. And he's a victim of his own

success. And he's seen hours. If you don't want me to say it as a firefighting every time, you know,

even when the Pope died, there's pictures of him. You know, I'm thinking, you know, so,

where he's better than he's better than that. And he showed up no more so when he was at his

the real club, which was it, which was Bullwunder's, what he, what he made that into, you know, so,

anyway, enough of that place. We're like, oh, no, we like a bit of love for our staff. Yes, yes.

Okay, right. I want to move on now. Thank you for that, Sammy. I'm going to speak about Spurs.

And I didn't find out the Spurs score until I was in Wembley watching the game. So what next to

me said Spurs got beat by Forest. And I was like, what was the score? And then they said,

three nil on my face just dropped like you watched the game. What, what did you, what did you

think, Sammy? It was a collapse after, yeah, after the first goal went in.

It's probably scored the first goal, which is, which is a corner. And, uh,

from the, on, it was just, and the fans try to get behind them by the way. It's not like this,

you know, booing and all that, they're more, but at the end, obviously, yeah, but I mean,

those three nil at home again, but not a 12-1 again in 2026 is the, is the psychological problem.

This is not coaching. Well, what are we going to do to try and stimulate them into a positive

sort of attitude? Is that a good week, Sam? I mean, I draw against us, because that's a good

draw against us. And then they'll win in the, in the, in the end of the midweek. So it was,

it was a good week for them. But as you say, if you can't keep clean sheets and, in any level,

in any game, you're going to struggle. And it disappoints me to see the way, the way it

disappears for both of us, you know, I mean, fantastic stadium. And they are in, they're in danger,

you know, they're in there, you know, and then, and again, all the, all the, the knowledge of all

the thoughts going around it, it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean a happy place from, since the guy

moved in, you know, so it's, it's hard, it's hard. And I think the biggest thing I say is,

are the mentally soft enough to get themselves out of it? You know, that was, the, the,

literally was a six-point against forest. So you know, to use a cliche. And they come out

saying, best, three and a half down. And I say, didn't score. Couldn't keep the clean sheets.

And the fans who wear with them, wear with them. And you were together until that first goal.

And then you can see it just all disintegrates. And that's, that's the, yeah, it's the fragility

of them at this moment and Sam. And momentum is a great thing. But they're going forward. Or

when he's struggling, and unfortunately, it's, it's spares. I've got that momentum,

the struggle of momentum. And psychologically, if you look, someone looks sharp. But what you've got to

do is you've got to stop creating your own suicide. Yeah, yeah. And that's what they're doing.

They're creating their own suicide by the mistakes that they make it. And by the fact that they're

not capable, as a team, to defend properly as a unit. And then you've got to put those two together.

It's a bit, it's a bit like Liverpool at the minute. Liverpool's defensively a week

than they've been for a long time. But we've moved on from Liverpool for example.

No one just, just because that was a, I mean, Man City have had a similar problem.

You know what I mean? So, so defensively, when you get it right,

at the bottom, you get out of relegation problems. When you get it right at the top,

you win the league. Yeah. I think the team you were used was basics back to. Yeah, based on

and I sometimes believe in that. I sometimes got LCTV even with this face, believe it or not.

But I'm gonna say the same thing. I know the ball and me saying, keep a clean sheet. Because

if you keep a clean sheet and don't do anything, he says it. It sounds like I'll old school.

If your man perhaps says it, it sounds innovative. I saw a video over the last week on

social media. I don't know if you saw it. I did love it. I love it. I love it. I love the

create the funny side of football. So a shout to Lincoln City. They look like they could get

promoted out of league one. I think it's this weekend. They could do it and no disrespect to them

at all meant. But of course, they were singing spurs away or lay or lay. Lincoln City of league one

spurs away or lay or lay. Because of course, if spurs go down and Lincoln go up, they could play

each other next year as championship equals. So they have seven games spurs to pull themselves out

and we had a joke. You know, we've you know, we last week on the podcast, we

Tim Sami. We spoke and we sort of joked. Well, I joked. I decided that Sam should take the spurs

job and that Tim should be his assistant and that spurs should pay me for having that great idea.

But seriously, I mean, seven games to go, Sam, if the phone rings today, I don't know if you've

left your phone on vibrate today, with seven games to go. Yeah. Oh God, get his phone

someone. Anything could be happening with seven games to go. Would you take it? Would you think

with seven games to go, they can be saved? You know, I wouldn't tell you whether I would or

I wouldn't on this podcast. So how could you just create speculation all over all over the

papers and wherever it might be? I like that conversation if somebody at top them rings me.

I mean, there's there's pressure as well as pressure being on the eager tutor. There's also

pressure now on Eddie Howe as well. Obviously, they lost two one in the darby's as Sundayland at

the weekend. I mean, Sundayland have done the double over them this season now as well. Alan

Sherry's described that the performance is pathetic. We glaze you at a limp second half from

you, castle again. What did you make of that? Yeah, I watched the end. You know what? Seriously,

I wouldn't go so far as well. Shocks. Alan said there, we used to call them shocks.

But Sunday night scene, I watched them against Everton, the cup earlier on the season,

at the end of the season, which is beautiful stadium. And they heard one of the best teams I've

seen this season. They really were, you know, they got talent, they got strength, they got pace,

they defend both as well, you know, so I wouldn't go so far as Alan said there. But, you know,

being beaten twice by your local rivals, it will hurt them. It will hurt them. It will hurt them.

But again, I'll qualify that by saying, honestly, Sunday and not a bad team. They're really on a

bad team. It's been very well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Outstanding recruitment. I mean, they got

somebody scores a goal. I mean, they got somebody in midfield who's just absolutely enjoying every minute

of their check. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, it's a life I need. Obviously I mean, that guy right in the stats will be

some of the best to even challenge the big boys at the top stop what he's done for Sunland.

He's, and he's, and he's captain them well. You know, the defend, defend pretty well as well.

So in the first season, back in that, that's a fantastic experience. Well, as Eddie,

so saying a bit like, you know, Liverpool, that's, you know, Anish Lot. He's got a game next year.

After what? What he's done for Newcastle. You got to give him next season. They coach.

You know, like, I guess, you know, go over this season and say like, I mean, like, let's kick

comfort for the start of next season, get preseason under our belts on that score.

Do you know what I mean? Just a World Cup season, that's all. And I mean, I mean, I mean,

being the man, you know, I'd say I like the guy as well. I'm as well, Jason, isn't him.

You know, you like it. I like it personally. Yeah, I like the fact he's out there, you know what I mean.

And people know, you know, you know, it is what I said on the team with Jason. He's not

everybody's cup of tea, but I like Jason. And I think they're a great little, they've got very little

chemistry between them. Well, he wouldn't have brought him on the bottom back when he'd been in the

liking, like, I mean, because, you know, when he, when Eddie lost his job and he took the job

at Bournemouth, I thought that might have been a bit restrained on the friendship or the partnership,

but obviously, you know, like me, if anybody, if I leave and somebody wants a job who I've

worked with, I have never got a problem with that, but some other coaches have. But together,

they've always been a good player. We've made friends, didn't we? Oh, I'm sorry.

If it's staying at one point, you know, maybe because again, Rue is going around, but we, I mean,

against something happened, but we rang up and spoke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You text me, I

don't give you, you tell me how long. What are you doing, texting me, really? So, I hope you're

right. I've got to be able to get a great account. And I just, I like Eddie a lot. And I think

he's done great. It's a tough football club. And I repeat, I like Jason. Wayne Rueney has said,

and I completely agree. I'm sure you do as well, Sam. Be careful what you wish for with Newcastle

fans turning against Eddie Halve. Getting beat by your local rivals twice in one season,

certainly won't help, but again, I will also be yesterday's, I think Eddie's a fantastic coach.

The strike, he rivaled Ireland and they lost him to Liverpool.

Isaac. Yeah. I mean, you lose that. Do you lose them goals first? I mean, they've, you know,

been playing with Gordon up from, you know, with all due respect. It's not, it's not,

you know, that's not the answer for anybody in the end. It's a wide man playing down the middle,

right? I mean, you know, it's easier for them to, love down the middle to go and play wide,

but it's not easy for a wide man to come up. He's the mother. I'm going to go to the point.

Absolutely. We can go to any English squad. We're, you know, okay, I just, I just tend to think

that basically, you know, he's don't, I just, you know, again, the very demanding, you know,

and I think, you know, just be careful what you wish for. Chelsea, I've lost four games in a

row now for the first time since 1993. Their fixtures coming up are City at home, United at home,

Brighton away, Liverpool away, Sunderland away. They've got, so they're, they're five of the games

that they've got between now and the end of the season. Some toughies in there. The manual

patees wasn't very kind to him on the talk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's that,

he's depth and, you know, you know, you know, it's, you know, it's a big challenge. It's a big

challenge for him, like, you mean, so, you know, you face, you face clubs like Chelsea, Newcastle,

Liverpool, Everton, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's big Tottenham to Arsenal. It's a different

pressure, I think, you know, I mean, when, when, when Man United, Man City now, you know, I seemingly

get to the 60,000s and, you know, above that coming or, I think Newcastle, 54,000s still, but

you've got the, and the level of expectation in West Dams, the same now, you know, the criticism

comes thick and fast. If you're not careful, and you've got to be able to deal with it, and that

in itself as a, as a manager is, is a difficult prospect. So maybe he might be trying to overextend

himself, and this is how good a coach, and this is, yeah, this is how good a, you know, this is

what, you know, this is, this is what I can do, and they're going like, yeah, okay, like, I mean, but

you know, Gio Enzo said, he did an interview recently, Enzo Fernandez said that

Moresca's sacking hurt the players a lot. I don't know, what do you think about in sort of

insight? He said, I wonder though, is that the right thing to say just now, while the new

manager's under a bit of pressure, does it give an indication that they've not bought into the

new manager? Well, sounds like Moresca had enough interference. Yeah. It was when it's all,

it was interference by the sound of it from the top. Like, somebody like, well, tell you to play.

Yeah, I was, I was, I was, that's what, that's what we have an issue with the medical team,

as well as the news on it, but that, but I, that's certainly not the right thing to say,

not at this point in time. Again, Liam needs support, you know, and then some mentioned whether the

players got the previous one, the sacks, I don't know, but Liam needs support, no more so than

in the dressing room, you know, and I think that kind of, that kind of conversation, I think it

doesn't help Liam in any way, shape or form. Yeah, agreed. Okay, let's move on now then to

England, because of course, we are in an international break now, England, we've got a couple of

friendlies, and Thomas Tuckle announced a 35-man squad. I thought it was really, not he's playing,

he's having 35, so he essentially said that he's going to have, it's essentially, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, some of them are getting to get some time off after the first game, yeah.

He's looking to get away with that with a costume. Yeah, so he's, even though it's 30.

He is an eel, look at that, how about the gloves? Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though it's 35, there's still

some players that didn't make it, obviously, that were names. Luke Shaw, Trent, Alex Andronald,

Ivan Tony, Oli Watkins, Danny Welbecker, all names that weren't still in the 35, so in terms

of leaving Trent out, Tuckle has said, I know his strength, he's a huge player, but it's a sportive

decision, we stick with Kwanzaa Spence in Leveramento, so since he said that, Kwanzaa's been ruled out,

and he's called up Ben White, but still, what do you think about him leaving out Trent?

I don't know, I've got quite an understanding, really, because of his qualities, you know,

I think that his experience at Real Madrid will give him or make him even better.

Coming back to playing in an England shirt, I think anybody that experiences Real Madrid

will make you a better player, and I think that his difficulties early on, like we said,

but it seems to have settled in and played regularly in the last nine games, you know what I mean?

So, you know, you can't ignore that quality, you know, I know there's always been a little bit

suspect about it, and it is a bit suspect about his defending, but that happens rarely,

because of his quality, I mean, the amount just difficult as he causes the opposition,

with his passing and his final ball and his balls into the box, you know, it's just,

particularly his long passing, I've always been a great admirer, I can look up when he just scores.

He could play the ball over again, he'd be a defense player in the past of any game.

To Salah.

Yeah, well, you know, to Adi Cain, you know, I think you'd always include Trent and a squad,

absolutely.

I mean, is it what are your options behind that?

Like who's better than him?

Well, he's, he's saying you want to suspend your mental and mental and what are you better than him?

You know what I mean?

You know, well, if you're looking for a better defender,

then find, come and pick a bet, if that's what you want, that's what he prefer.

Then, you know, I'd say find that too, that you'd have to make up for the loss of the passing

ability and his crossing ability by somebody else in front of him, which is obviously somebody

that you should, who should be good at doing that anyway, like, you mean?

In terms of the other end of the pitch as well.

So you've got Dominic Slanky, Dominic Calvert, Lewin, that have been called up,

Oli Watkins, Danny Wellbeck, who's the highest scoring Englishman in the Premier League,

Ivan Tony, they've been left out.

I still think that there's that the fact that he's doing that for a bit of an experiment,

you know, and before the World Cup, I don't know.

I think, like Salah, they need to rock Cain in court more.

On the way, Danny, like, you mean?

So, you know, I mean, I already don't need the game, do they?

No, it's fly.

And a pan, a pan, you see, Thomas has said that he plays the play, he plays the play.

Well, at the moment, within four at the moment, I said, well, back to the top scorer in the Premier League,

you know, the top Englishman, the top English scorer.

So for me, he said, and Oli, Oli Watkins, I look that guy, I'm a little watching him play,

I really do, because again, as a midfielder, you again, you don't even have to look

on playing the ball into space, and he chase it for you.

I love him, you know, I don't want to turn it to him, yeah?

But he's not having a great season.

No, I know that, but he's never stops working though, he's still fighting, you know,

he's been influenced for a while in the good times, you know, so

and I still think that he'd be there and there about.

But again, as you say, hopefully it may be experimental,

and he's trying to see what the options are, the alternatives are.

I was probably a bit surprised, you know, to see Phil Foden included in the squad.

And he had a great opening third of the season.

I thought he was back to Phil again, but then he's just dropped off again.

He said, I don't know Sam.

He said, a limited opportunity to see since then.

He came off the bench yesterday in the Cup Final on Sunday for,

and just got four minutes.

I was a little bit surprised to see him.

Do you think he needs to, you know, in the summer, is he going to think about,

I mean, no, we've talked about this, you think he's a city life, I don't you?

Oh, well, there's this edge you can't afford to be put on the bench anymore.

And that happened in his early years, it was more than acceptable,

because it's Man City, and he's slowly built his reputation up.

And there's peps who's like, you know,

giving the highest accolade in the amount of the performances he's had.

You know, but there's nothing, you know, there's one thing about Pepp, he's ruthless.

And we don't see the play every day, do we?

You know, he's a game-changer when he's on his game.

You know, is he playing him in the right position when he's playing him?

Because it's never wide for me anymore.

You know, he's always in the middle, and I was an influence on what he does in the middle,

and a good goal scorer from that position.

You know, if there's one thing that keeps him in the team is the amount of goals

that he can score from that position, as well as assist, like, you mean,

which not everybody can do that.

And against him, I'd say he changes games.

He's a game-changer when he comes, you know, so for me, I'm not surprised in the squad.

I'm a bit more surprised he hasn't been used by Man City City more,

but that means, as I said before, peps, he's on every day.

The two peps, you know, peps, as well.

They see him every day, so you know.

I have a big strength in England, though, don't we think, though, is the position he likes to play it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't be like that, you know what I mean?

God, he's better.

God, he's better.

Foden.

Yeah, but others that can go in there.

Yeah.

He used to be all at Evans, didn't he?

He used to be all at Evans, didn't he?

Yeah, he used to be all at Evans, didn't he?

He used to be all at Evans, didn't he?

Well, I mean, that was against Chelsea, right?

I mean, Bakaia Sakka, as well.

It turns out-

Can you remember you had gone off the boil at the beginning?

Yeah, he's level-seemed to have dropped a bit.

So Wayne Rune, friend of the podcast,

said on his podcast that he's nearly world-class.

Oh, no, did he say it on our podcast?

No, he said it on our podcast when he was here.

He's nearly world-class, but you said you weren't sure

when we did that.

In terms of the way that Arsenal play,

it's his drop-off, the fact that, obviously,

Mick and Arterto is really shifted this focus

towards set-piece and defensive solid director,

he's opposed to, you know, the creative's

perhaps side that Bakaia Sakka would thrive in.

I still think you need that.

And I'd say to gain the free kicks in the set-piece, you know?

I mean, at the end of the sometime,

players go to that patch, don't you know, they have a film,

and you have down times, you know,

I think he's just signed a new contract as well, isn't he?

You know, so this is-

But really new contract.

Oh, I see.

Not to end the time, you'd love one.

You know, but I'm living up to it, though.

I know, but at the end of the day, I think for me,

you know, players go to that, and I think sometimes,

world-class is bound to the world a bit too easily.

It really is, man.

What else doesn't do that to easily?

So I respect that opinion as well.

He certainly has a fantastic talent,

but as before, sometimes you go to Paris,

whether or not at the top of the game,

because it's a long season for them.

I'm not trying to make a season for them.

A lot of pressure on them, you know.

You know, so at the end of the day,

but the talent is there for all to see.

And I think for me, the kind of players,

when you'll know they'll come good,

they'll know they'll come good.

You know, sometimes you mention Tuesday and Thursday,

players or Friday, players.

You know, sometimes players do well in the tournaments,

you know, and I think,

when you get the concentrated pay,

there may be six, seven, eight weeks together,

you know, can bring the best out to them as well.

And that's down to the coach and this stuff,

you know, Anthony Barri was a fantastic coach,

great assistant to Thomas.

So I think, you know, I think I'd like to see them,

then players are included.

Yeah, you talk about number of games.

Sacka played 87 consecutive games,

and for Arsenal, between the age of 19 and 22.

Well, a lot of games.

So long.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of games.

Don't forget, I think is it,

is it only 2021 when your body's fully developed?

It's all before that.

It was only 71.

So that was a little bit softer.

Before that, if you give it too much punishment,

it could lead to, yeah.

Yeah.

Lead to problems.

Right, finally, I'd like you to do, please.

Oh.

If the World Cup started tomorrow,

who your 11 would be.

So use this out of the ones who are available, then.

No, you think you'll, yeah, yeah.

So if they're injured now, we can't pick them.

Is that what you said?

The goalkeeper is the easy one anyway.

And again, I think,

it's, that's a lot of position.

Take the question of the player.

Yeah.

He don't get the, by the way, he doesn't get the progis.

Oh, you look big for John, yeah.

He's just.

I'm feeling England that it's in just totally.

Yeah, you're right.

There's a good few backups there.

Yeah, we've got a good, it's a good position.

We've got, you mentioned strategy.

You know, we've seen, we've, you know, mentioned before.

I think we, you know, we've, um,

we've got to, that's a good strong position,

but in Jordan would definitely be enough for me.

Okay, so you've got Jordan Pickford going in goal.

And then are you going to do back four?

Yeah, I live in mental with it for me.

If there's, right now, if he's playing,

yeah, we're not, because James,

James is my favorite, but I think he's injured, I mean, you see.

Yeah.

Again, I feel awful about the fact that I don't know

if he's injured just now.

Well, I think, yeah, he's had issues as well,

as in, you know, once again, the cotton wool.

But I, I, I like, I've got to be honest with you for me.

He'd be the starter for me.

Live in mental.

Oh, James.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

James, if James is fit for everybody,

what he brings to the squad, you know,

yeah, if James is fit, but if he's not, live in a mental.

Okay.

And then you're, and now can I just say, obviously,

in terms of the left back, Sam,

you're probably thinking between Lewis Hall and Niko O'Reilly.

And obviously, we talked about Niko O'Reilly.

He's not a natural left back.

He's an actual attacking midfielder,

but he's done so well at left back in for city this season.

So what are you thinking?

All right, left back all day long with the play.

Yeah, I mean, if she wasn't looking at it.

Sure, yeah, he's played every game this year.

Yeah, I mean, I, I, you know,

there's not so wrong with taking Luke Shaw with you.

You know, I think I think he's on the microland there.

Stevie Holland, I think he's, he's done fantastic Luke.

And you've consistently, well,

get Manchester City, Manchester United to forgive me

and say, and say, and say, I have to say to you,

for me, I think he'd be a major part of that.

Experience is a big thing if they're going to win it.

Yeah.

Having experienced the international tournament is a big thing,

guys, I think.

What about John Stone's then?

He's got, he's got, he's got experience.

John Stone's?

Yeah, he has what he can't even play a game.

He was on, he was on suspension, John Stone, day.

Yeah, well, he's not said, he's not said fitting

off long enough recently to, but he's fit.

Well, if he's fit, if he's played a few games before the end of the season,

and he looks like he's fit enough to go,

then you'd, you'd, you'd check the chance,

but the good thing is about, you're most important centre, I ask you.

Yeah, because he's the quickest.

And if you're the outing, you've, you've, you've got a back four,

looks, that's not, might not have enough touch,

the egg and makeup grounded.

Yeah, cover every inch who ground and covers,

players that might not be as quick as him as well.

And not, not let them get exposed, so he's the key,

he's the key man for me to keep fit.

That was a dark.

He putting with him, he pat, are you,

he answers in your concept?

There have got to be this nice to see Harry,

you know, because I think we called it.

Harry, yes.

Once again, he's, he's flourishing under the new regime,

which is great to see you in the morning Stevie honor. I think, you know, again, you mentioned

experience before, I think it'd be crucial to have someone like him in the squad, in and

around the squad, because I said, when you're contented for the page of five, six, seven weeks,

you need people like that to ensure a good vibe within the camp. Yeah. So I suppose, so you've

got back four there. So you've got Pickford and Goal, then you've got Liverpool Mental All James,

Concert Gay O'Reilly. So you're moving up and presuming Declan Rises.

Two midfielders, two and one or one or two, we certainly had Declan Rises in there.

You've got to have Declan Rises, right? So I suppose you options then are,

will Kobe Mayne use back in the squad again? We know that you're a big fan of Adam Watern.

I like, Anderson obviously, at night and forrested, I think he's unbelievable.

They did a piece on Anderson last night on much of the day.

I think it was, right, I'll really open my eyes just,

so important, not only in possession, but out of possession.

All around. Everything goes through him, yeah. Abilities got like your means, or

you know, whether it's a bit early probably in this World Cup or not, I don't know,

that'll be up to Thomas Tutland as a shy, because there's plenty of options there,

you know, for Mayne. But Bourne's done fantastic. He's done fantastic,

for Mayne. He's been, again, it's another possession meant to Kobe,

you know, he's gotten a new, again, he seems to have a set in a new lease,

a life under the new regime. And these guys can all be included in the squad out of the

magic, so it's another okay position we've got in there. But I quite like Bourne,

I've got to be honest with you. So you'd go Wharton, Sammy, are you going Anderson or Wharton?

You're the manager by the way. Yeah, your manager, Sammy. I've got at this moment in time,

I'd actually go Anderson. Yeah. This was a joint night, you know, we used to be in the world,

and we discussed it. Yeah. And then once we left, we'd all be of his opinion,

there's, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is right. Yeah. Okay. So, so, um,

this is the exciting bit. Yeah. So you're moving up into the pitch. I'm a Rogers man.

I knew you were going to, I knew you were going to say that you've been a Rogers fan all year.

Right. Because you've got Rogers, Bellingham, Palmer, Folding, Sacker, essay,

tough choice by the way, you know, that's a, that's a spot there. Yeah. Yeah.

Because there's, there's Folding and Palmer and Bellingham and,

when you've got Gordon, Rashford, Bowen, all these wins of a tactical players,

you've got some left out, you've got him going forward before. And that should be

attempted if Harry Keynes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he just played two of them there. Yeah.

And playing our center forward. Yeah. Because of that good. Yeah. And they can confuse the

opposition. So, you know, fuzz hands, they're two false nines. But I presume you are, of course,

playing Harry Keynes. Of course you're playing Harry Keynes. So, at least, at least, but the,

don't, who's you're the three then? The demand that the demand on the, the heat and the

you know, like, you mean, and you can't, and he wants, he won't be sympathetic. No.

Thomas Tutler, I think he's pretty ruthless, like, you know, if he thinks he needs a change,

you need a change. You know, no matter what pressure he's put on by the press or, you know,

you've got to pick him or you can't drop him or you can't even, you know, monk is about that.

You'll just know what he thinks is, is right from the team, I think. Yeah. I think as you say,

in that, in that little fuzz moment, you've got a number of options. On the left, I'd go,

go on me. Yeah. And I think that he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be up with that,

you know. And yeah, I would, I know, you buy up front, yeah, yeah. And you're having Morgan

Rochester in the middle. Yeah, yeah. So, you're not having Jude Bellingham in your team.

No, he's coming off the bench. I'm going to wait, I've got to sit and see him not

sulking. Right, Bellingham on the bench. You know, I mean, I'm a bit like Thomas. Yeah.

Can't stand the sulker. Yeah. I think listen, there's no doubtless talent. No doubting it.

You don't get to read me over. I've been in times of relief. But again, as you say, these,

these managers, these good DC, they mean in situ DC, they mean camps, you know, and there's

obviously, he always has a bit of a, a bit of a doubt about him in the camp, you know,

and not only that, but he's got the same jury as me, which is up for a while. So, it's not about

that this moment's in time. I think I'll be some song. I think I would, I would go with that.

Okay. So Sami and Sam England 11, if the World Cup started tomorrow,

would be pick for it. And then it would be James Delivermento, concert gay, O'Reilly,

Rice and Anderson, Sakharaj's Gordon and Kane. Can you say another minute? As I said before,

she's been wide back in the fold. And as I said before, you know, once again,

the show is the fact that, you know, whatever's gone on before, he's gone beyond that now.

And he's fighting his way into, you know, recognition and whereby people are now,

and he's, he wants to come back into the fold, which I think is good. That would be exciting.

But obviously, the good thing is, he's the amount of options that England actually have,

like I said, I think they've got one of the, one of the strongest squads in the entire World Cup.

There'll be some interesting games, international games this week. Also, please don't forget,

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well done, Landon. Thank you. We'll see you next week.

We'll see you next week. Ah, no. Did you have your phone? And I enjoyed this celebration.

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