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Excited for this.

Taylor's got his dope USA baseball hat on.

Sal was already laughing.

He was making fun of him right before we started,

because he cannot believe how into the world

baseball classic Taylor is.

It's amazing.

I'm with you, Sal.

Yeah, like I said, I was going to be a little more interested in it this year,

because I paid it no mind in years past,

but I don't check it out.

It's competitive baseball.

The players seem to care.

And then I hear Taylor talking about it on the podcast.

On the radio show, I'm like, oh, this has to be a bit.

Then he's telling me, is that these games?

It's the loudest atmosphere ever.

It's great.

He's wearing full uniform on the podcast.

Now you're obsessed with it.

This is the exact problem that I have with Team USA,

where we got a couple of Terrick Scoobles here with us that are like,

oh, we don't really understand the magnitude of this.

And then what do you have over there?

The Dominican Republic's caring,

and the Dominican Republic's beating the crap out of teams.

Yeah, they care about it in a way like, listen,

the only one who cares about it as much as the Dominican Republic is Taylor.

I mean, I just don't understand, like, for me,

I have a hard time.

And I'm watching it a little more than usual.

Okay, so I see Judge make a great playing right field.

Wow, or Judge hit a home run.

Wow, like I've seen that a million times before in games that actually matter.

But even though I'm like from the US and want to see the US do well,

I'm like, there's no chance I'm rooting for Judge over Juan Soto,

who plays for the team that I root for.

Like, I'm rooting for Soto.

I'm sorry, I can't have the met first Yankee thing and lose that,

whether it's US first or not.

So like Taylor, would you be more into US if Judge were playing for another team?

Would you be just as into it?

I think I would root for the US, but I'm glad I don't have to face this situation

because I could see myself very easily if Aaron Judge was Colombian per se.

I think I would be wearing a Colombian hat right now.

Really?

You would choose individual over country.

What's the matter with you?

Both of you.

Why?

Yeah, really?

The atmosphere.

Well, it's not individual.

It's the games that matter in baseball.

I'm like, I love Juan Soto.

I love the met, so I grew up rooting for the met.

Soto's my guy.

He's our guy as methods.

Why would I root for him to lose to a Yankee no less?

Assuming that they play each other in the finals,

which who the hell knows if that could even happen.

Right, because if Juan Soto wins the WBC, you win nothing.

You get nothing.

If you want Soto wins with the met, you get that pride.

You get that that's my team.

If Juan Soto wins with the Dominican Republic, what do you get?

You get like, hey, my guy did well for his country.

No, it's a totally fair point.

Like, I think the better question.

I think there's an obvious answer to this.

Would you rather have the Met's winner world series?

I think the answer is yes.

As opposed to Team USA winning the World Baseball Classic.

Obviously, you would want the Met's, right?

See, yeah.

And that to me, like, whoa, still, what does the winner of the WBC even get?

Like, they talk about medals, like, no, no,

gold medals happen in the Olympics.

Like that, an Olympic thing.

This is not the Olympics.

This is an exhibition made up thing.

Yes.

And I never understood the aspect of the country.

We know how good the US is.

Like, just let's say Japan,

Japan is one three out of five of these things.

I looked it up, okay?

So they want three out of five.

Does that mean they're better than the US?

Like, no, we know where we stand with the US.

So why would we worry about some World Baseball Classic,

which doesn't mean anything to value where the US is

in terms of baseball where all the players from all the country,

they want to be here and play in Major League Baseball,

which yes, to me, means more than anything else.

You hate our country.

I mean, that's what I'm hearing.

Sentled the Mingo set over here.

Yeah.

Hey, were you upset when Canada lost your Olympic gold medal?

Huh?

No, it's for the US, but you don't understand why?

Why?

I, because otherwise I have no other rooting

intern, like it just, but I really didn't even care about that.

I care more about the Rangers.

I'm sorry.

Kill me, but I grew up rooting for teams that happen,

who were teams that play in the weeks

year, whether it's the NBA with the nicks with me,

or whatever it is in the NFL or NHL or MLB.

That matters to me more than Olympics ever did,

or certainly the World Baseball Classic,

which is like a bad knockoff of the Olympics.

So if you're a Los Angeles Lakers fan,

are you rooting against the US and for,

I believe, Luka?

Where is Luka?

Right.

Or if you're in LA and you're, listen,

if you're in LA and you're born in the United States,

are you rooting for Otani's team in the World Baseball class?

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

I mean, I get, all right, Jalen Bronson.

If Jalen Bronson was Canadian,

and he was playing for Team Canada,

you wouldn't want to root for him, Taylor, being in LA.

No.

No.

No, I'll root for Bronson when he plays for the next

and I'll root for Team USA when Team USA is playing.

All right, let me ask you then,

so what do you get, like, if you're rooting for Team USA,

whether it's hockey, whatever, or the World Baseball class,

like you feel good about that as a sports fan,

the Team USA won?

What does that do?

I mean, to be honest, no, I don't give a shit.

I mean, to be honest.

But I'll feel worse if they lose.

Yes, I will.

Yes.

Stu, I think I know what's going on here

when it comes to Judge and Soto.

Yes.

Sal's ego cannot have anything positive

happen to Aaron Judges,

and he cannot have anything boost Aaron Judges legacy

at a World Baseball Classic.

Well, what theoretically do that?

Yes, I'd sit, listen,

what he wants Judge to do is save the winning

and save the home runs for the Yankees.

That's what he wants.

Well, that is, you're kind of both right with this.

It's not going to, I don't,

Aaron Judges is the best baseball player that I've ever seen.

It used to be Barry Bonds.

Aaron Judges a couple of years ago,

in my mind surpassed that defensively leadership.

What he's done, obviously, obviously,

you can't pitch the guy.

It's like he's playing softball amongst,

you know, a man amongst boys playing softball out there.

But yes, from a met fan perspective,

maybe this is just unique to the Soto Judge thing.

Soto left the Yankees to come to the Met,

the narrative last year wasn't how great it was.

It was, oh, even Aaron Boone said it the other day,

my guy Boone, he's talking about,

he still thinks, just Soto misses the Yankees,

more than the Yankees miss him enough.

So from a met fan perspective,

yes, it drives me nuts,

but the Yankees still,

even though they lost the guy that they wanted to the Met,

which has never happened before,

now it's, well, it's Judge and Team USA,

potentially beating Soto,

head to head, I don't want that.

So yes, I'm putting that over my country, sorry.

Yeah, Taylor, this sounds like little brother syndrome.

This sounds like little brother syndrome.

This is like, no, you can't win.

I want to win.

We don't miss you.

So if it's a met,

if it becomes a met Yankees thing,

so what if in the final, again,

I don't know the bracket either.

If Dominican Republic is playing US in the final,

the starter for the final is slated to be Nolan McLean.

From the Met's,

what if it's Nolan McLean versus Juan Soto going up to bat?

Who are you rooting for?

I'm rooting for Soto.

I'm sorry, Soto's my guy.

I won't one side a bit.

I like McLean,

but I think there are certain guys that even Trump,

just a fan of like, yeah, McLean's a met.

That's great.

Okay, good for him.

I hope he had a success.

No, I'm rooting Soto's my guy.

I'm all in on Soto.

I want to see him have fun,

which maybe leads to him having more fun with the Met's,

which maybe leads to them winning a first world series

for the first time in 40 years.

So what if Soto, in this first inning,

hits a home run against Nolan McLean

and Nolan McLean never recovers from it?

I mean, I'll see that.

They'll deal with that when he gets to it.

I mean,

it's,

Oh, we're not there.

He bridges it.

He hasn't caught that far ahead, Taylor.

No, I guess my question to you,

though, Taylor would be,

what if McLean goes out there

and you want to see him pitch

and win a championship for Team USA,

you're going to root for a Met with no issues whatsoever,

even though the Met fans can then say,

well, yeah, of course,

we had the guy that brought home the US gold

or whatever it is that they get.

I'll be rooting for a perfect game.

Yeah.

I cheered when Roman Anthony hit a three run home run yesterday,

and he's a Red Sock.

That's a little too far.

I cheered.

What do you have to make too far?

And I'm going to throw you a family.

What are you talking about?

Taylor, you know that.

What do you say?

I was rooting for a single.

He did it.

Or Red Sock's fans rooting for Judge.

I think it's a great question.

Yankee fans are going to root for Red Socks.

I mean, come on.

Not to mention that the tournament tell it,

like we kind of brush over it,

but Tarek Scobo, one of the best players,

he decides to leave.

So what does this really mean?

I'm supposed to put investment and feelings

into this thing that the players do care about,

but not enough to have to stay with it.

I mean, come on.

Let's play devil's advocate a little bit.

Roman Anthony hasn't really become the Red Sock yet.

So it's kind of like he's periphery of Red Sock.

Like it's not David Ortiz where I already hate you.

I don't already hate Roman Anthony.

Roman Anthony's going to be the best player

in Major League.

I'm well aware, but until he becomes

that player for the Red Socks,

hey, go TV USA.

All right.

Entering the ninth inning when Garrett Whitlock

came in the Red Socks reliever.

Sal, I have to admit, it did cross my mind.

It wouldn't be the worst thing if Garrett Whitlock

was the one that blew this game.

Say, say, that's exactly my point.

Hey, it's not our fault.

It's not that we're not patriotic enough.

It's that it's inherent in us as sports fans.

Like I, I'm sorry, I've hated the Yankees

for 35 years roughly.

That the some team USA made up tournament

is not going to trump my hatred for the Yankees

for the last 35 years.

Same thing with you.

How long you've been hating the Red Sock?

It's it's a part of our lives.

It's a part of our fandom in fabric.

I have some poll questions here, teller.

Is the WBC a cheap rip off of the Olympics,

a knockoff of the Olympics.

And Yankee fans, this is just for Yankee fans.

Does your hatred of the Red Socks override

your love of the United States of America?

The rest of it.

No, my, dude, my thing is this,

because you're like it is crazy to even think about that.

And I know that if I say I want Soto to beat US,

okay, you're not patriotic, but why?

Since when does sports matter of what you,

I know that it's supposed to be while you're from New York,

so the New York teams represent your fandom.

It just doesn't happen that way.

We're fans of all of our teams from all over the place.

So why does, why should our patriotism be judge based

on our sports rooting interest?

I don't like that the two have intertwined.

Right.

The entire European soccer system is set up like this.

Oh, he plays for my team, but he's French.

So when he goes to play for them, then he's my enemy.

It's like, it's, this is a US thing

that we're just trying to learn how to do

that I feel like Europe, they've figured it out already.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, but Sal is right.

Patri is, it doesn't really, unless it's hockey,

like no one really cares, you know, I know he cares.

Why hockey is the only place we can't?

Why?

Why?

I mean, listen, you just plastered Roman Anthony.

I mean, I hit a three run monster for you last night.

Well, hockey for me, I can't answer anybody else.

Yeah, right.

I can't answer anybody else, but the 1980 thing that was,

that was patriotic.

We, like, there was a reason for that.

A was the Olympics.

B was beating the mighty Russian team

that never lost with an underdog USA team.

He was a cold war.

Yeah, well, well, exactly.

I was going to get to that.

But yeah, right, Rocky, if I could change,

and you could change, Rocky, so there was a cold war,

like it was actually a real thing.

But, but since then, it's like, it's just not the case for me.

So I think it stems though, the hockey,

why we may be associated that more is because of what happened in 1980.

Taylor, put this on the pole.

Does Sal hate the good old US of A?

That's a big ol' yes for me.

Go with Team USA.

I mean, come on.

I can't believe Taylor roots for certain people on Team USA.

If it's a red, he draws the line at Red Sox.

It's a mom, like, he reform a don'ts.

That's true.

At least I'm not faking it.

He's a fraud.

He's wearing the USA hat and saying,

if we locked Blue the game, it wouldn't be the worst thing.

Yes.

Right, he doesn't care that much.

Just enough to wear a USA hat.

And I'll tell you one more thing.

It's a nice hat though.

Yes, great hat.

Get Terrick Scoobal out of that dugout.

He's talking about, he wants to come back in the semifinals.

He wants to come back in the finals.

Yeah, he does.

Just defying around the team and being my amies if they win.

He also said he'll be the first to sign up for the 28 Olympics

or whenever the next World Baseball Classic is.

Trader get Terrick Scoobal out of here.

Go pitch for the Dominican.

So south and root for you.

I guarantee you he's rooting for Roman Anthony though.

I mean, Jesus, I respect him more for prioritizing what he should prioritize.

His team that's paying him himself trying to get a big contract.

Like, that's what it should be.

And by the way, you talk about what he'll come back and want to play again.

Stu, did you know, because I did not know this happened to stumble across it over the weekend.

No one aeronautos at the dish for team Puerto Rico or PR, whatever you want to call it.

And you know, it's like, well, this is aeronautos third baseball classic is first with team PR.

And I'm like, wait a second.

Like what's team are you on?

You could change teams in the WBC.

This is not the Mets and Cardinals or Rockies or Yankee.

Like this is, you're supposed to be representing your country, right?

I thought that's the point of this.

So aeronauto, he plays for team USA for the first two go rounds.

And then he can't make that team.

So he joins the Puerto Rican team like, how is that possible?

Who's representing what?

No, I'm with you.

It doesn't seem to make sense.

It shouldn't, it shouldn't be allowed.

But again, no one fucking cares about this thing except for Taylor and the Dominican Republic, I mean.

So aeronauto was on team USA.

But I think what happened was he knew he was not going to get called for this team.

So he was like, where do I have options?

Oh, somebody in my family is a Puerto Rican descent.

I'm going to play there.

If for some reason, Austin Wells becomes the next best catcher in the next three years,

I got news for him.

He's playing for team USA next time.

Yeah, but once you declare yourself for one country, that's it.

That's the country you need to make the team, but you don't make the team.

You don't get to hop around.

That's how sports works.

I mean, come on, right?

Especially this, like the whole point is you're supposed to be representing your country.

Not just playing to play.

So like in 10 years from now, judge can't make team USA.

He's going to go play on another team because of the heritage.

I mean, that's absurd.

I don't think that's it.

I don't think judge has options, though.

I just want to jump over to team Australia.

My dad was born and raised in Italy.

If the Italian team wants to reach out to me, so I've told them before, one of the best

defensive fielders, my high school program has ever seen, Francisco Sirvelli.

My line is open.

He's the manager of team Italy.

Your line's open, huh?

It probably could use it.

Yeah, that's the thing.

Like, okay, great.

My parents are from, or not my parents, but like my heritage is from Italy.

So which, which am I?

Am I team Italy or team USA?

I guess I can play for bowl technically.

Does that make me a bad Italian because I want to play for US or my bad American because

I would play for my heritage with it?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Depends where I want Soto plays, I guess for you.

That's correct.

I'm VR.

I get heritage in Italy.

I'm from US and I'm rude for the DR.

Oh my God.

So funny.

By the way, here's the funny thing about this entire conversation because Sal's love

for one.

So no, Sal is going to be the first person to rip one.

So no, if he gets off to a terrible story after the first month of the season, he doesn't

shimmy.

Actually, too.

You guys, you and Dan got on me for a clip that I was ripping, so don't just so happen

though that he was with the Yankees.

That was one of the things where you guys, I was getting on him like, look, if he'd

take these walks, he's here to swing.

He's here to do damage.

He was taking walks.

So yeah, it's not above me ripping Soto, but just ironic that I remember you guys ripped

me for Soto.

Since he'd become a mess, he's been untouchable for now.

The only way I rip him is if he fails in the postseason, that would be it with Soto.

Sal, what'd you make of, what'd you make of everything that transpired yesterday in the NFL?

Do you enjoy that day?

Is that a day that's enjoyable to you?

I don't know because I think there are too many, I think it's too much happening and

it's because of that way because of the salary cap structure.

So you have good players getting caught and then signing all of the teams.

Okay, it's fun action for a day or two.

It's chaos.

It's fun to keep up with it and the updates on your phone.

But you really build a team through the draft, so that's more important, obviously.

And I just think a lot gets lost in the chaos.

Too many mid-level type moves.

I thought the best signing of the day was the giant signing the punter.

They get the best punter in the league away from the Ravens.

So I thought that was a big move, but nobody talks about that.

It's all about the quarterbacks and wide receivers.

Yeah, it was a fun day for sports, a fun week with the NFL chaos with free agency.

So how do you feel about the your Falcons?

You got a new quarterback.

One that we're very familiar with here down in South Florida that people basically celebrated

his release and now he's seemingly to be your next quarterback.

Okay.

Well, I mean, they still have panics.

Panics is going to be the future.

I wanted the jets to go after two.

First I want the jets to get a real quarterback just so we can watch competitive football in New

York, you know, the giants, whatever.

But the jets need a quarterback.

So I was looking at Calamari, Malik Willis and Tuah would have been third on my list.

So if that were the case going into free agency, I didn't think he was going to be a fit

with the Falcons, but it does make sense.

Remember, you're not paying like Miami's perspective is totally different.

They needed to update and take a ridiculous cap hit to do so because he clearly is not

the future quarterback for that franchise.

So they instead get Willis, okay, we'll see how that works out.

But now whoever gets Tuah, they're getting him for nothing and you're getting a guy who's

going to be hungry, motivated, whether it could be a backup, get some opportunities to

start, whatever.

So I think Atlanta made a smart move here.

In the case that panics isn't ready or still needs time to develop, you have a veteran

quarterback, not to mention another lefty.

I mean, what does that mean to lefty quarterbacks, whatever.

Maybe there's something the way that they could teach, help teach panics a little bit,

but they like Tuah and his veteran leadership.

And I think it's for you're not paying him anything and the guy can have some success.

Tell me this, if you're the idiot jets, would you rather have Tuah this year or would

you rather have Gino Smith and Carson Wentz, who are the two guys that they're talking

about?

So yeah, go ahead, Sue.

My fear is too, might win you just, you know, too of many games, you know, he might win

you seven, you know, seven or eight games and I want to be bad and I want to be really

bad, you know.

But are they, are they, and then the moves that Jets made yesterday, they traded for

me, could fit, make it fit Patrick.

That would end not to mention signing tomorrow, Davis as well.

Some other moves like they're trying to build a team that's going to be a somewhat competitive

team because at some point, they have to start winning some games.

Sure.

Is it a full tank or they really trying to really tank?

I don't know if that's going to be the case.

And then for what?

For the hope that you're going to get archmaning as if he would ever come to the Jets.

Like, the mannings aren't going to stop that.

Yeah.

Right.

So it's funny because you were talking about Tuah and you said veteran leadership, correct

me if I'm wrong.

But isn't that kind of one of the biggest knocks against him?

Because everybody was like, oh, shut up whenever he tried to do some, well, I mean, it was

a captain for that team for four seasons, I believe.

Yeah.

But apparently they, nobody respected him.

They put him as the captain because he's the quarterback.

Well, no, but when the play doesn't follow the leadership, it becomes dicey and that's

the problem.

Like the year he was the captain and he was playing well and let the NFL in every guard.

Everyone was listed in a second away.

And the other way, no one paid attention, I mean, right, but, but also they're not paying

him anything.

And he's not.

You're right.

You're right.

What's the worst that can happen with Atlanta to a start some, is that going to be worse

than Kurt Cousins was South down here.

He is overpaid.

The dolphins made a colossal mistake and they cut bait anywhere else.

He's a bargain.

He is a bargain by NFL standards.

Bingo, which is why the jet should have been a top to list to try to get him.

I don't even know if he would have gone to the jet because he looked, but he would look

at that situation.

I'm like, I'm not going there and being asked to win games.

I may be outside door, you know, outdoors, Aaron Glenn, whatever.

I think it's a perfect situation for both Atlanta and for two, but yes, he's a bargain.

You say no thanks, Mike.

Who do you want?

Who do you want under center for the Jets this year?

Who do you want to watch?

Yeah.

Jacobi Berset.

Well, he wants to be bad.

I mean, let's, what is the goal in the Jets in 2026?

What is the goal?

It is to get, you want to call it archbanging?

There's, there's four or five guys that could be there.

Your quarterback in the future is a next year's draft.

Your goal with three first round picks should be that's our goal.

Now only thing you have to do with 2026 is build a team that can bring in a guy and he

can succeed.

I think they're doing a fantastic job of that.

Oh, but then what if they're so bad that they have to fire Aaron Glenn and now you're

over.

But now you're starting over again.

Like, here's the, here's the good thing for you, Mikey, and other Jeff fans who feel

the same way losing won't be a problem.

Like that's the one thing the Jets have excelled in.

We're used to it.

We're, we're so good at this white, but I don't know how to react if they win.

That's the thing.

That's going to be the problem.

I don't know what to do with my hands when they win when you want to get out of that at

some point and build a competitive team.

Like, how are Murray to me will give them a chance to at least be competitive and also

still have your eye on the quarterback class next year.

I'm Mikey.

I will say this before you give the, you know, before, before you give the patented Jets

answer, I will say this, the NFL seems to be shifting a little bit where when you

think about none of those big time quarterbacks were in the final four last year.

I mean, it was Drake May with Sam Darnal that was bow next just having a good quarterback

is good as long as you surround them with the right pieces is good enough to win a super

ball in the NFL.

Sam Darnal just proved it, you know, exactly.

So Sam Darnal can win a Super Bowl and also the idea of like, okay, well Jackson Dart.

Oh, he's the next great.

How do we know?

How do we know what Jack?

You just don't know year to year or even even worse than Jackson Dart who actually did

prove he can have some success at the NFL level.

The hope of, well, next year's draft class, next year's draft class like, oh, yeah, yeah,

Archmaning is going to be a stud and Dante Moore assuming he does want to come out and

assuming the Jets do have the chance to take him like he's a gonna want to come to the

Jets, what you already proved he didn't want to be is going to come here and be the

savior like that it already has proven it has not worked.

You need to build a team the right way inside out, build a foundation and then hope to bring

in a quarterback that can potentially get you over the top.

But if Sam Darnal could win a Super Bowl, then maybe we're a little too hung up on the

quarterbacks being the be all and all.

I still can't get over South saying the best move yesterday was the giant side of the

punter.

I already forgot his name, I already forgot his name, no, yeah, but who cares?

I mean, seriously, because yesterday was a bunch of moves like I have no idea.

You're an Indianapolis, you can't walk around confidently saying, hey, we got better

today.

You don't know.

I mean, that's kind of my point about the excitement question.

I think it is fun, right?

The fury of moves, but it's all like transactions.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

This third linebacker, this guy's a special teamer, but when you sign definitively, first

team all pro punter, whether I know his name or not, it doesn't matter.

He was the best punter in the league a year ago.

Yes.

Also, Harbaugh special teams guy, also the giant special teams has been a train wreck

for years.

That shows you at least they're looking at say, hey, this is going to help us compete

and win some more football games.

Nobody gets, you know, it's not a sexy move, but it's a smart football move.

I think that was the best sign in yesterday.

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This is why he can't go on vacation.

Do you understand?

Like, this was the problem when we talked to him last week coming off vacation, his

poor wife.

I mean, he has all this bottled up rage and he needs to get it out.

His wife doesn't want to hear about it.

And so I feel so much terrible for her.

I feel much better.

Well, you don't even know the half of it.

Yes, it's been, it's been real.

You feel better now that you're behind a microphone?

Yeah, I do.

I feel better being back in the mix getting off the vacation for a week, which was not

really a vacation.

You try to make her happy.

And then I did I tell you the story really like midway through the vacate.

It was supposed to be for 15th birthday, she's like, this isn't my birthday.

There's no play.

Like, I mean, you can, you never win that way.

So now I feel good.

At least I'm winning now back at work, having fun talking up with you guys, talking sports,

getting it out of my system.

That's what makes me feel good.

Yes.

Let me explain something to you.

She's always winning.

You might not know it.

She's just, she's doing something right now and she's winning, okay?

It's been rough, you know, getting let go from the job.

That didn't help either.

And that's it.

Even when I was, what I had multiple jobs, things were a little shaky without that job.

It's, oh, pressure's on.

Yes.

We were supposed to soften you up, man.

And I mean, you can't just guns fire in tonight.

Hey, you hate the United States.

I mean, Jesus.

Right.

Right.

I was gonna say, there's a lot of sports going on, but really we're talking about NFL free

agency at the WBC.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's go DR.

Yeah.