What if “empathy” is actually making the homelessness crisis worse?
At AmFest, Sarah Stock joins the show to break down why letting people rot on the street isn’t compassion — it’s abandonment. They talk about mental illness, addiction, public safety, and why “anti-homeless architecture” debates miss the real issue: treatment + accountability.
Then it gets even bigger: the insane social pressure around weddings, the viral ring discourse, propaganda trips, free speech double standards, mass migration, and why many young Americans feel like there’s no “plan B” for their future.
This is one of those conversations that bounces from culture → policy → reality… fast.
What’s the real line between compassion and enabling?
What you’ll learn 👇
✅ 🧠 Why “letting them live outside” isn’t actually empathy
✅ 🚨 The real danger behind today’s homelessness: addiction + mental illness
✅ 💍 Why modern marriage feels like a “high barrier to entry”
✅ 🌍 How propaganda tours shape opinions (without direct payments)
✅ 🗣️ Why free speech standards change depending on the country
✅ 🧩 Why younger Americans feel like they’re losing a shared identity
Chapters
0:00 – “Is it empathy to let people die on the street?”
0:48 – AmFest intro + meeting Sarah Stock
1:18 – The wedding in 2 weeks + the viral ring drama
2:30 – The “3-month salary ring” expectation problem
4:00 – Conservative infighting + “bigger battles than ring size”
5:47 – Foreign influence: trips, speakers, and soft propaganda
8:06 – The journalist arrest story + free speech double standards
9:27 – Canada/Toronto: quality of life, cost, and homelessness
13:05 – “Walking Dead” cities: safety, drugs, and public disorder
16:08 – Mass migration, moratoriums, and losing a shared country
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And what's weird is like liberals maybe feel on the right thing that having empathy for them is I don't know
Sure giving them food and not violating their rights by letting them live on the streets like
I'm sure you see remember when they left it all these campaigns saying like this is like anti-homeless architecture
Because they don't want homeless people to sleep on the benches
It's like is it not having empathy for them to just let homeless people destroy themselves and die on the streets
And like you're not even doing anything to help them. There's no way for them to consent to that because they're mentally insane
Or they're addicted to drugs so if you're not violating anyone's consent
They're not even consenting to their own demise
It would be much more empathetic and loving to take these people and put them in an institution
And I don't understand why we can't do that or why this isn't something that's talked about more
All right guys here at Amphus with Sarah Stock. Let's go. Yeah, thanks so much for having me
I literally just got into the conference now
It's like almost over so I've just been having photo this whole time. See woke up late, huh?
Well, okay. Yeah, I did wake up late, but also it was just yeah
We only got here from California. It was a long drive all day yesterday and yeah
Oh, so you weren't here yesterday. Yeah, wow. Yeah, I think it ends tomorrow, right? Yes
And I'm flying out tomorrow, so I won't really be like that either, but at least I got to experience a bit of it
Yeah, what's what's new in your world?
Well, I'm getting married in two weeks. That went viral by the way
Yes, that one very viral and yeah, it's create
It still doesn't feel real that I'm literally having my wedding two weeks from now. Yeah
It's like the biggest day in my life
So that's kind of obviously the main thing on my mind right now for grads on that. I can't believe how viral that one
I mean yeah, I didn't expect it, but I still don't understand why it went viral. I mean I
I don't understand like all these people
Hating on my ring, but then for some reason like the there was this whole like viral energy around attacking the
People hating on my ring. I don't I didn't really get it, but the red pill just kind of tackled on
Yeah, exactly Pearl Davis got a hold of it. Yeah, a couple other big shows
I mean, I didn't really get it. I got my wife for two carrot ring, which was about your size, I believe
And I picked out my own ring. Yeah, I could have bought a bigger one. I could have bought a smaller one
Yeah, you would have gotten me whatever I wanted, but this is just the ring I wanted and I don't want to waste money on it
It's a lot of money. I spent a lot of money and
Yeah, I mean the average person cannot afford like a four-carat. Yeah, like it's over $10,000. Oh, exactly
Yeah, so I'm glad it didn't affect you too much. It's just like a crazy social expectation that like this is why people young people aren't getting married
No, anymore. It's like you have to have you have to have a home
You have to like a man has to be able to provide own a home first
Yes, you'll to afford a ring that costs like what three months salary is the expectation you're supposed to have
This massive wedding with everything has to be Instagram worthy
Everything has to be perfect and people will have two-year engagements just to plan a single day party
I've not if it makes any sense when like it's just like such a high barrier to entry for getting married
It's like yeah, of course, and people don't even focus on the marriage. It's just on the way
Yeah, I can see why people don't get married if yeah, if that's the case
I didn't know the three-month salary rule, but that's a lot of money. Yeah for a ring. Oh, yeah three months
Jesus, so I would have spent
What 90K
Jesus yeah, it's like it's like a it's kind of just like a female competition thing to like try to
You know, you want to try to like have like a bigger ring than the other woman to prove something
You know what I mean? It's like that means you're loved more. Yeah, I guess that's what Emily saves America
I was trying to get it with that. Yeah, how did you?
Did you even know her before she made that tweet?
Yeah, there's a little bit of lore there because
She had posted a video a little while before basically just hating on tradwifes like state-home moms
By saying they're boring, you know, their lives are boring. They're trapped by a man. It's a stupid decision whatever
And I I didn't attack her personally, but I was like this is really bad rhetoric like this is someone who's supposed to be a face of our conservative movement
Why are you attacking woman who are choosing to do the traditional conservative thing? You know, so
So that sort of happened a while before so I think she you know, so she already didn't like you
Okay, so she wanted tradwives or you want to tradwives and she didn't is that what happened? Yes, exactly wow that that was what it is, but
Yeah, certain things a whole battle and then where's the the beef out now? Have you made up have you talked?
I haven't talked her I would make up with her we could maybe we can maybe add some other things
I don't care. I don't really like there's bigger battles. I think yeah
I don't really hold grudges against people for that sort of thing
I think with all the in fighting on the right now
Yes bigger battles than ring size. Hey, it was like she was getting paid by Israel right and now she's getting paid by Qatar
So now we might have like a little bit more in common
Did you get accused of that stuff? Israel? How you did too? Yeah, the whole getting paid by Qatar thing not as much as other people
Will you at Qatar like what happened? No, I've never been to good
It's just like if you don't want America to be funding Israel's wars and you don't want Israel to be controlling our government
Then you're also you're apparently getting paid by foreign government is sort of the yeah the argument which doesn't really make sense to me
But I've been hit with the Israel one. I have not been accused of the Qatar one yet
But I'm sure with some of the guests I've been having on it would come
Well, even with the Israel thing. I mean
Not everyone who is showing for Israel is getting paid like so I think there are people who just
For whatever religious reason like even Christians. Yeah, I think they're wrong, but
It's kind of silly to like use everyone of getting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest
Someone's getting paid whether it's director indirect but not all these guys. Yeah, it's definitely it does exist
Yeah, 100% on any any government or or big company. I've been offered Israel trips before I've been
I just graduated from college and I was presented with opportunities to bring
Some pro-Israel speaker to my campus and get paid like two thousand dollars
which like
Maybe if I was like another college student and I didn't really care about I would have like taken them up on that
There's a thousand dollars, you know what I mean
So they're definitely doing that. No, I've been offered the flight. Yeah, believe me. I've been offered
But is that like getting paid just because you took a flight though
Well, I think a lot of times they bring you on these tours
So like everyone I know that's had this situation like they sort of just bring you on a propaganda tour and while you're there
They want you to be like posting like pro-Israel stuff like that sort
That to me people that I've spoken to like that's kind of the expectation and that's what happens
And they're kind of just like hit with propaganda the whole time and on some of them it works and like a lot of people
I think inter conservative movement
It's not maybe even necessarily that all of them are getting paid
But it's like some of the when are these propaganda tours and they're like oh, yeah, I love Israel
You know what I mean because they like had a cool experience there and they believed everything that was told to them
Yeah, that's a nice weird like I mean Qatar or not Qatar do buy wants to fly me out
But it's for a business conference for me to do interviews. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, that's a little bit different
It's kind of it kind of sucks too because like I want to go to Israel at some point too
Just because I like seeing new places like yeah like that's where Jesus was born that's where he died
I want to see those sites
But it's also like now you can't really go and like because like now it's like I don't want to go to Israel because I just you know
I mean if I ever went there I would never post it. Yeah exactly. So it's like
It's kind of like and then also I'm kind of like scared of the Israeli government like I don't I don't know
I think I would literally feel safer going to like Russia or China than Israel
I would yeah, you would probably need like someone there to guarantee your safety. Exactly. We got a man
Have you been pretty outspoken about Israel or
I would say not as much as other people like it's not really I guess my number one issue or anything
But yeah, I got all speak about it
Um, yeah, I mean, I know an American journalist that I used to work with that was
quite literally kidnapped by the Israeli government what he was placed in solitary confinement with
Let little to no food
For three to four days his name's Dermila Frado. He's like shared the story in detail. He's a US citizen
Yes, he was like completely he's
How is that possible? That's crazy. He was on a journalist trip. He was in the West Bank. Yeah, but a US citizen
That's just crazy to me. Well, yeah, they tried to accuse him of S like espionage or not espionage
But well, I know they don't like outside journalists. Yeah, that's I think everyone can agree on that
It was it was a terrifying story and it was just so crazy because when that happened I was I was assuming that
There were people that knew him that I knew
That usually defend free speech in America or other countries like Canada, Australia, whatever
And so it is kind of crazy like if that happened in America like if America was arresting journalists for doing journalism
Like this would be the biggest human rights crisis ever. Yeah, and like every conservative would be speaking against that
But when it's like a foreign government does that to our people you don't even want to criticize that government
Yeah, and that's crazy. I guess free speech isn't everywhere
You actually went to Canada. Yes, you did not like it
Well, I so I was born in Canada. Oh, you were born there. I'm a dual citizen Canadian American
I live here now marrying an American so I'm gonna stay here
But I did grow up in Canada and Toronto
Uh, no, I grew up in Ontario, but I've I lived in Toronto for a summer doing journalism like man on the street type videos
And no, that was not really the best. I'm just not a fan of Toronto
I don't hear the best things about it
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Deemable qualities in terms of cities like I like a lot of cities actually
But it's like so overpriced obviously whether is not great in Canada. It's like cold most of the time
In addition to that like a whole whole city smells like pee and there's homeless everywhere
But then also it's like
No one speaks English even. It's just like yes
It's just been flooded with Indians. Wow, so it's like the entire city
It's like it's not hard to find like a English speaking person. It's like you're in a foreign country or something
So I was doing journalism there and it sometimes I would be like I feel like I'm like the only white person
I've seen in blocks and that's kind of crazy because this is like Canada. Yeah
You know what I mean? That's how I feel in Miami sometimes. Yes, everything Spanish there. Yeah, yeah
It's pretty crazy out there cities. Have you been a deer-born Michigan yet?
No, I have not you haven't reported there yet. I have not I don't know if I want to go
Yeah, that might be dangerous, right? Yeah, I think Cam Higby just went there. So okay
Well, we'll leave it to hand to yeah, that dude gets a salty. It's a little higher. Maybe next. What's going on there?
Those were the Haitians reading the cats eating the dogs. They're still wreaking havoc over there
I guess so I haven't heard anything about that in a while, but yeah
Yeah, major cities are being uh over on these days in America. Oh, yeah, and it's
It's like there's no like I can't even think of a single
major American city that's like a nice place to live anymore
You know what I mean? Even here. I was I'm sure you've seen all the homeless people walking around even
Because I think of Phoenix as like sort of like a clean nice city like most people I know here are nice
Like well dressed everything like that and you walk outside
It's like why is there homeless people everywhere every block. Yeah, every block
Yeah, it was sketchy last night walking around. Oh, yeah, my uh my editor walked back to the hotel
He said he had to like start running at a certain point. Oh, yeah
No, it's like scary. It's like it's like we're in the walking dead
I feel like everyone people don't talk about like
How homelessness is such a big issue, but it's like you feel like you're in the walking dead
Like you don't know what these people are gonna do. Yeah, you know what I mean because there's a drug issue now
There's a mental health issue. It's not just like a homeless issue. Yeah, it's homeless people used to be whatever like
Yeah, like maybe you would have someone who's house burned down and they need to couch serve for
I don't know like that's a little bit different like almost every single homeless person now has either like
Insane addiction problems or insane and mental illness issues and usually it's both and I don't feel safe like being in
The streets alone of any major city and I don't think it should be like that
I used to have a lot more empathy
Like it sucks to say this but like I used to have a lot more empathy for homeless people
I would give them food give them water sometimes money, but now these days
Like I need to value my safety
Yeah, and what's weird is like liberals and even maybe feel on the right thing that having empathy for them is
I don't know sure giving them food and not violating their rights by letting them live on the streets like
I'm sure you see remember when they left it all these campaigns saying like
We need uh, this is like anti-homeless architecture because they don't want homeless people to sleep on the benches
And it's like isn't it not having empathy for them to just let
Homeless people destroy themselves and die on the streets and like you're not even doing anything to help them
There's no way for them to consent to that because they're mentally insane right or they're addicted to drug
So they're not you're not violating anyone's consent. They're not even consenting to their own demise
It would be much more empathetic and loving to take these people and put them in an institution
Yeah, and I don't understand why we can't do that or why this is then something that's talked about more
But I don't know it's like we're not loving the homeless people and we're not
Protecting children woman like all the people who have to walk the streets and be around these crazy people
Well, it's because people think government can solve it
And we think we could give the government money to solve it. Yeah, and then nothing gets done
Well, it's like they think you can just like throw money at them
And they're not gonna have these like deep rooted issues. Yeah, that's not how money doesn't work. Yeah
Yeah, I used to actually like go to Venice Beach and like donate like give out sandwiches
Now I just go straight to the shelter because safety is just like an issue now
Yeah, you know some of these guys got weapons last night. There was one with a knife
Um, and I was just walking around and I could see him iron me up. I was like holy shit
Venice Beach is the worst
I remember had to go never like
Stay at Venice Beach for long and like have to go to the bathroom because there's nowhere to go
And then you go in the bathroom
And it was like every single stall had feces like on the ground and like on the walls
Like that was like a nightmare. I didn't even
I didn't go in there. It's like I almost threw up seeing that. I would have held it in. Yeah
No, I did because it's like horrifying
It's like we're like we're allowing these people to just like live literally like wild animals and just like poo and pee everywhere
Yeah, it's it's right we're doing that other than homelessness
What else do you think is a big issue this country needs to focus on?
100% mass migration is the biggest issue. Yes, we're getting them out or
Yeah, I get the illegal ones out
um, I think some need to be denaturalized and
Also just stop the flow. I mean, we're still even under the Trump administration
They're still letting legal immigrants card in. I thought he closed down the border. Well illegal ones
Yeah, but they're still letting mass waves of legal. So do you want in a moratorium where they pause all
Yeah, immigration and people think that's extreme
But it's actually very precedented like even in the past we let Irish people in and then it would be like
Okay, the Irish are causing a few problems, right? Um, let's let's take a
Let's just like pause and figure out what's going on right and that's how immigration worked
It would be like we'll open the doors for a bit
We'll pause and let everyone integrate yeah
And make sure we don't have anyone we let in who is causing a bunch of problems
And if we did we sent them back
Yeah, because there's a housing issue right now
Um, the jobs are being taken with AI and with the illegals, I think so I guess the pause wouldn't be the worst idea
I think it's
Literally necessary because it's and it's yes, the economic issues are important and I think that affects young people more than anyone
We want to have a future. We don't want to live in an apartment
For the rest of our life and be wage slaves and whatever we want to be able to have what our grandparents had
But it's not just economics. We want to have a country, right
But we want to have a unified group of people that we feel like we have something in common
We have a shared history. We have a shared future and I just feel like we like what does what do Americans even have in common at all anymore?
Yeah, right? And it's like the more people we let in
That tree our our country like an economic zone and they'll be open about that, right? Yeah
They'll say I came here for the financial opportunity if my home country had better economics
I would have stayed there
I've seen them say this and this is how most of them feel so they treat our country
Like it's just a place to extract wealth where we this is just our home, right?
But we don't have anywhere else to go
Yeah, I don't have a plan B unfortunately
We don't have not everyone has a plan B not everyone has a home country where all their families at and whatever
It's like this is our home
This is the only place our children are going to live our grandchildren
And we don't want them to become a minority in a country
Where everyone else just got there. Yeah
Yeah, if new someone's in 28 we got to start thinking of plan B's I think
I don't know where to go
Well, I don't think there is I don't know. I don't think there is a plan B like for me
It's like it'd be tough in our space because free speech is important for our jobs
Yeah, I don't know any other countries honestly where I mean think about it
So like if if white Americans become minorities in America, which is happening?
Which is yeah, we're we are literally on that trip
Even if we paused all immigration now, it would likely they will still be because we're not having kids at a high enough rate
So I think within our lifetime actually it will happen
Yeah, so like if white Americans like if you want to be in a country where you're not the minority
Where do you go? You're up
Not much better happening there
Well, certain countries are doing better than others
Yeah, I would say a majority of them are struggling
Even then it's like I don't want to go to Europe my ancestors built America. Yeah, yeah
I want to say I feel like I you know, they did this for me
I didn't do this for people on the other side of the world. They did it for me
Right, it's my country. Yeah, and I don't know. That's I just wish more
Americans realize that like we don't have a plan B. This is our home
And everyone else kind of does
Have you taken any sides yet on all this fighting between venture bureau calling out Megan and Candace
Who else is calling people out tuckers calling up and Shapiro? Are you just kind of staying in the middle of all of it?
Yeah, I so I think Candace always is insane personally
I mean I used to like her stuff, but I've just seen her
I
Just like her thinking just like devolve with this Charlie Kirk thing where I don't think anything she's saying is really coherent
I mean, I've watched it myself right and her theories just
It doesn't make any sense like sure you can say
pinpoint and say yeah, there's some weird things
But instead she does this thing where she's like
We know we know what they did. We know they're all in on it. The people closest to Charlie were
It his life was like a Truman show. He was portrayed by the closest people closest to him
And he she's stating this stuff like it's a fact
And what she got pressed about this recently
Trying to remember who it was that all taught up Pierce
Yes, my peers Morgan
She got pressed about this stuff and she literally said well, I don't have any direct evidence that they knew about the murder
But it's a feeling right? So it's like okay, so you're accusing
Charlie's friends and family that just lost him that saw him get brutally murdered of being in on it
But you don't even have any evidence and you have millions of people
Watching this and believing this lie and her fans are crazier than she is. Yeah her fans believe everything. Yeah
I would have loved to see that meeting she had with Erica. I wish they recorded part of it
You know what it was it was like okay, so here's the evidence
We didn't kill Charlie and here's evidence. You're wrong about these things. So now and we have evidence that you view this evidence
So now we'll just sue you for a libel if you continue and defamation say that they were ready to sue her
So that I'm sure she I mean for lawyers. I wonder why it was lawyers that were
Yeah, I'm sure Erica brought legal cops so what yeah, I was Eric I'd be pissed
I she toned back since I haven't been following her. Oh, yeah, well since that video
She was basically like walking back on a few things and now her fans are all mad at her
And our fans now think like she's in on it too and like she's a fed which is like
really funny. It's like
The monster she created you know what I mean, so they think Tucker's a fed and Candace is a fed now
Crazy times we're in
What's the next investigation you got planned or anywhere you're going?
I
Don't really have any investigations planned right now
um
I guess in terms of like investigative drills one thing I was looking into was
Um, which I have a very in-depth article about this is left-wing academics trying to endorse pedophilia
Really and this is a real thing. There are academics from Harvard
from like plenty of these elite institutions who
Are part of a group that seeks to destigmatize pedophilia because they basically think it's like
Bad to shame people for having attraction to children
And they've been doing this for a while and then you see they've actually been changing the literature or changing
They have lobbied to basically change the definition of pedophilia in the DSM-5
so
This is like sort of where we're headed right now, right? I think this is the next thing
And I don't think anyone knows about that. So that's one thing. I haven't heard about that
It doesn't shock me though. Yeah, because I feel like that makes sense to me
Yeah, it's sort of this whole idea that's like
When it comes when if people if you think about it if you make the argument
You're born gay you can't control who you're attracted to
It's only one step further to say well you're born attracted to children, right?
You can't control that so we shouldn't shame people for being attracted to children
And so there's plenty of these groups in Germany
They're legalizing child sex dolls and that's sort of thing
So they're trying to say oh, there's an ethical way
For pedophiles to engage in pedophilia, right? And then it's like I'm pretty sure the reason there's so many pedophiles right now
This is like a very dark subject. Yeah, it's because there's so much child
I can see that and that's what leads that's what leads them down this path
So the idea that you're going to stop that by giving them more of it instead of just like locking them away forever
I think that's crazy. The gay still fascites me because
Yeah, there's more gays now, but it makes you wonder like was that because you instilled thoughts into children's heads
Yeah, or is it because they're more open to speak out of or both it could be both but
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think people are I don't think there's like a gay gene
I don't really know what the I don't think there's one factor though. I think there's like multiple environmental factors
Yeah, I mean when I grew up like it was a big deal if you came out as gay like in Jersey
And that's like cool like if you're straight or bold. Yeah, now is sick like if you come out as gay people hype you off
Well, it was like every girl in my high school was like by
Yeah, they're all dated guys and I feel like that's like a big that's a big thing right all the girl
Vegas is known for the yeah, all the girls are by there
It's like I feel like if you're if you're a girl and then you're like I'm by usually just means you're a hoe
You know, I love that
That's kind of true. What where can people find you though?
People want to find me. I'm on x. That's where I'm most active at Sarah C stock
I'm on YouTube Sarah dash stock and I'm also on Instagram a Sarah C stock
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