Schools vs. Parents

0:00This episode sponsored by HomeBase. HomeBase is built for small businesses trying to do it all. The neighborhood coffee shop, the local gym, the family run restaurant. With HomeBase, you can schedule your team, track time, run payroll, and manage hiring from one easy app. So you can spend less time chasing time sheets and more time running the business your customers love. More than 150,000 small businesses already use HomeBase to keep their teams on track. Start free at joinhomebase.com. HomeBase, built for small businesses that do it all. 617-2666-6868 is the number here. This is Sandy Shack. I'm sitting in for Jeff Kooner here on the Kooner Report. The fight is currently centered on a New Jersey school, which is being sued, because it keeps secrets from parents. Specifically, in this case, their gender identity and preferred pronouns. Do parents have rights anymore where their children are concerned?

1:05That seems to me to be a question that's up in the air. There's a wealthy elite New Jersey school district that is being sued for allowing students to change their names and their gender identities on school records without telling their parents. It's the Chatham's school district, and their policy also keeps parents in the dark when giving students access to bathrooms, locker rooms, and so forth, based on what gender they identify with. The school directive gives the district's guidance counselors the authority to decide whether and to what extent parents can be informed. Furthermore, they have a policy that will actually punish children that don't use the demanded new gender identity pronoun and name of another student.

2:10This sounds a little bit, you know, draconian to me. I don't know about you. According to one of the parents, if your child slips up just once, maybe a slip of the tongue and accident, they can be punished up to a suspension just for using the wrong pronoun or the wrong name of someone that is identifying as something other than what they're used to being identified to or what they were on the record before or what their child knew them of before or what they actually are. Do you know what suspension on your record can do to your chances of getting into college? I mean, imagine that. You get suspended because you refer to somebody as him when they now identify as a her. And their parents don't know anything about this, by the way, their parents have no idea what's going on. So this is a lawsuit brought by mom's for liberty. And they've sued the school district in federal court challenging

3:16the policy because it allows school staff to prioritize a transgender student's privacy instead of automatically telling parents when a child uses a different name pronoun or some kind of gender identity at the school. This was filed the end of last month, the end of August as a as a matter of fact. Now, mom's for liberty is suing on behalf of two anonymous members of the school district and their two daughters who wait for for it attend elementary school in the district elementary school, you know, at the middle school, basically middle school elementary school. And the complaint, by the way, does not claim that either of these children are transgender or has asked you as a different name or different pronoun or change their identity none of the above.

4:18They're bringing the lawsuit because it affects them and their children regardless of whether they are transgender. The lawsuit targets policy 5145.7, which was adopted at the beginning of 2024 by the school district. It allows students to use a chosen name and pronoun it school and keeps that status that transgender status confidential and then allows students to use facilities and participate in activities that match their chosen gender identity. The policy also requires staff to offer a this isn't quotes a reasonable alternative arrangement like a single-stall restroom or or something of that nature for anybody who wants more privacy. Now, mom's for liberty is arguing that the policy violates parents constitutional rights by infringing on their right to direct their children's religious and moral upbringing. And they are asking the court to require advanced

5:25parental notice and consent before any social transition at school is made and to also bar punishment of students who don't want to use a classmate's chosen name or pronoun that because it goes against what they've been taught or they're just uncomfortable using it. Is the school being reasonable here by prioritizing privacy of a student, a minor student, an elementary school student over a parent's right to parent and choose the direction that their child is going in? Do school-aged children have the right to keep secrets from their parents? Aided and abetted by the school. And if so, when does that right begin? Is it kindergarten, nursery school? Does it or does those children not have a right to privacy? Are we moving to elementary or middle school? Is that when the right begins? How about junior high or high school?

6:30Is there any age when it's right for a minor child to be able to keep secrets from their parents with help from a school, with a school doing this? You know, I mean, think about it. In this particular lawsuit, two of the parents in the suit have elementary school-aged kids. So your 10-year-old has a right to keep something very serious from you. And the school says that's okay. We're going to help them do that. Would you support the policy if those children were older? Is there a line drawn between elementary school and high school? Or is it just not okay if your kids, if your children are, are minors? They're not yet adults. They're not yet allowed to vote or drink. Maybe they can drive a car if they're 16. But is it okay for the school to say, yes,

7:31we're going to, we're going to keep information from the parents. That, to me, isn't astonishing evolution of the duty of a school versus the duty of a parent. The Chatham, the Chatham school district, and a board of education meeting last June that was headed by the president, a woman by the name of Anne Chikarelli, she stood up and said that this was their duty to do this, to keep to keep the secret of the kids. But here's the thing. There was a recent U.S. Supreme Court case out of California, Mirabelli versus Bonta, which said that that's not okay, that this is the parents have a right here and you can't just cut the parents out and refuse to give them information. But the school board president in the New Jersey school board president last June said, well, it may be a Supreme Court case, but it comes out of a California case and

8:34that does not govern New Jersey school districts. We have to pay attention to the state's law against discrimination and education regulations. That's more important to us than a Supreme Court case. That kind of takes me by surprise. The case that they are referring to, Mirabelli versus Bonta, granted an injunction against California over state policies that keep students, gender identities confidential from parents, while this issue is working its way through the courts. The court made it very clear in the Mirabelli case that there was a third circuit court case along the same lines that parents have standing to challenge a policy which hides gender transition from the parents, whether or not the child is actually transitioning. The Supreme Court said the reason why is that parents have standing because parents are the object of this case, are the object of this policy,

9:40these guidelines. The policy provides that information will be hidden from the parents. So they have the right to object to it, whether or not their child or children is at that moment being transitioned. So it doesn't matter if their child is one of the kids that wants to change their name. The fact is that this policy would hide what the child is doing if the child decided to in the future is what makes the parents eligible to challenge this in court. There's always a risk, of course, that the child under peer pressure or the influence of teachers or social media goes along with the idea of transitioning. So the child would be going through this without informing their parents or not the school informing their parents. This is a bizarre trend. To me, and plus on top of it, the policy still affects those students who aren't seeking transition because

10:43they could be forced to share locker rooms and bathrooms with members of the opposite sex. And of course, there's also the problem that the guidelines punish them if they refuse to use other students preferred pronouns. And then they could face disciplinary action under the school's code of conduct. So to me, this is an outrageous policy and needs to be nipped in the bud. It's an erosion of parents of parents rights. What should happen to the head of a school, by the way, that flips his or her middle finger to the Supreme Court of the United States? This episode sponsored by HomeBase. HomeBase is built for small businesses trying to do it all. The neighborhood coffee shop, the local gym, the family run restaurant. With HomeBase, you can schedule your team, track time, run payroll, and manage hiring from one easy app. So you can spend less time chasing time sheets and more time running the business your customers love. More than 150,000 small businesses already use HomeBase to keep their teams on track.

11:43Start free at joinhomebase.com. HomeBase, built for small businesses that do it all. Here on the KUNA Report, the text number is 70470. If you want to send me a message. A New Jersey school district is being sued for refusing to follow a Supreme Court precedent saying that parents have the right to know if their child is considering a gender transition. The school board says child's right to privacy is more important than the parents' rights. And apparently more important than a Supreme Court decision that says they have a right to be told, what do you say to this? Let's go to Mel in Saratoga. Mel, welcome to WRK or how are you? Oh yes, good morning Sandy. I'm not so bad yourself. I'm doing okay. Thank you for asking. What do you think about this? Who has the right to do children have a right to privacy? And if so, when does that start? That's the age of 18, far as I'm concerned. You live under my roof. You know, we have rules and I brought you into this world. As my mother said, you could always say,

12:47I brought you in. I could take you out. Yeah, back to the month. My mom said the same thing, their male. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, now why in the world, many of my children or grandchildren before to participate in someone else's insanity? It just doesn't make sense. I just think that this is another move. By the left, trying to mesulate our society of young men and it's just more like just just take that what you want to say. Talk to mesh masculinity out of the culture. But it's just the left is off the charts and you'll tell you right now that the left is certain that they are the same. Yeah, it's just part of a emasculating society, which I don't disagree with you on that, Mel and all. But is it also basically trying to destroy the family? Because what they're doing is they're setting up a wall of silence

13:50between the parents and the child. They're usurping the parents' decision making ability on how to raise their child, the moral compass to give their child the direction they want to have their child in. I mean, what the child does with that once they're out into the world, the parents have no control over. But while they're minor children in school, who basically, you know, this is they're usurping the parents' decision making abilities, what I see from this more than anything else. And that to me is is an attempt to destroy the nuclear family, which goes right along with what you're talking about in regard to the crazy left because they want to destroy the family, don't they? You know, I actually hope the host is on the other of this day now. Who was appointed, another lecture, but appointed to go over the roofing and recall formal. But there wasn't that actually, it had to be that same election cycle where better on the referendum on the ballot,

14:53prop positions one. And it was to it was parental rights. And I've got a long sign. I keep it in front of my house all the time. We've killed Trump one, but that's got to be repealed because what what it happened, it got through and in New York State, you know, your your parental rights no longer exist. But I'm hoping with Bruce Blakeman's election and we get, you know, the assembly here in New York State on the right. We did that better. We in the majority that they can take this proposition one and feel it and give the front of all parental rights back to the parents. And this is what the left hold is. It's what they're up. They're up and no good. Yeah. You're right. You see that. Yeah, I, yes, yes, he could. Thank you so much for the call, Mel. I appreciate it very much. And yes, I do think it's so obvious that Rachel can see it. I appreciate that. The case that that this New Jersey district court is is defying is as I

15:59said before, is a Supreme court case. It's not like it's a local school board decision made by somebody else down there. I mean, this is a Supreme Court case, the Mirabelli versus Bonta case, which granted an injunction against another state against California over the same policies over a state policy is that kept students gender identities confidential from parents. It's exactly on point with what's happening in New Jersey. And this and the Supreme Court said parents have a right to know what's going on here. Even if their child is not transitioning, all parents should be aware of what's going on because if their child does transition, then this rule would mean that that is hidden from them, that that information is hidden from them. And then you also have the child maybe being pressured in regard to transitioning and the parents need to know that that could possibly be happening because maybe that is what is against their beliefs and their moral compass. And they have a right to make those decisions.

17:03Plus it also affects all children in the school because if they're going to be punished for a slip up and calling somebody by the wrong pronoun or slipping up and using somebody's prior name before they transitioned, that is that's just not fair because you have these children that could be suffering serious dings on their record, which could affect the rest of the lives if they're planning on going to college or graduate school. Now the plaintiffs say the school is violating both the parents and the students first amendment rights to free speech and to religious liberty as well as the due process clause of the 14 amendment. And at this on top of violating parental rights that were affirmed by another case in the Supreme Court, which was momhood versus Taylor, that just happened this past spring. And that determined that parents can opt their children out of LGBT centered lessons courses. That's what and that's

18:06exactly what this guideline is trying to do is trying to indoctrinate not just the transitioning dogma that they're that they're pushing out the schools, but also is trying to teach the children secrecy. Don't tell your parents. That's the other thing that I see happening there. But essentially, the Supreme Court has ruled twice in this area. They did it in the California case and they did it on the momhood versus Taylor case. Their cases are a little bit different, but they come out the same. In other words, both of those cases hold. The parents have the right to opt out of things that violate their religious beliefs or their moral beliefs. This lawsuit, now the one that's currently against Chatham, was triggered after the June 15 schoolborn meeting when Anne Chikarelli, that woman I was talking about who's the president of the school board best trick said that she was not bound by the Supreme Court and instead was required to follow

19:07the New Jersey Department of Education's guidance for transgender students. I find that shocking to be honest with you. The policy she's referring to is not a mandatory policy. And that's according to the New Jersey Attorney General, Matthew Plackin, he acknowledged that it's not mandatory. So if it's not mandatory, I would say a Supreme Court case is mandatory. So where is the issue here? This episode sponsored by Home Base. Home Base is built for small businesses trying to do it all. The neighborhood coffee shop, the local gym, the family run restaurant. With Home Base, you can schedule your team, track time, run payroll, and manage hiring from one easy app. So you can spend less time chasing time sheets and more time running the business your customers love. More than 150,000 small businesses already use Home Base to keep their teams on track.

20:10Start free at joinhomebase.com. Home Base, built for small businesses that do it all. A New Jersey school district says a voluntary state policy saying you can keep info from parents, takes precedence over a Supreme Court decisions to them that says you can't. They have a right to weigh in. That to me is pretty shocking. And it's not just me saying that the policy is voluntary. The New Jersey Attorney General, Matthew Plackin, who is flaming liberal himself, says that this policy number of 5756 is not mandatory at all. That it basically gives guidelines that you can keep information from parents because you want to basically protect a child's right to privacy. But the problem is that the guidance violates Supreme Court

21:12decisions to them that I know of, just that I know of. And the school says, yeah, but what it comes down to is the fact that we think we have a duty and responsibility to the privacy of children. Well, I think you have a duty and responsibility to protect constitutional rights of the citizens in your community of your employees, of your students, and of the students' families. I think they have a big problem here on their hands. What should happen to the head of a school district that flips his or her middle finger to the Supreme Court of the United States? Because that's what they're doing. I mean, what kind of message does that send to students when their school, their teachers, the people that they're told to look up to say, bleep the law? That to me is a shocking lesson to teach your students. And students, by the way, that I'm not quite sure have a right to privacy at that age. There's a lot to think about here. 617-26668-6868 is the number. Let's go to Andy and Milford. Andy, welcome to WRKO. How are you?

22:20Good morning, Sandy. Hey, Sandy, first thing out of the box, that right to privacy with the kids starts when they're 18 and not a day before. And even with that said, they still can't have liquor cigarettes till they're 21. Yeah, depending on what state you're in. That's right. Depending on what state you're in. So let's just get that out of the box. And also, Sandy, for all of our history as a country, we've always had to balance the scale between the interest of the state, the interest of individual rights, and then parental rights. And I think it needs to be settled once and for all that parental rights shall trump whatever the interest of the state

23:21is except in like limited areas. Like if there's clear evidence that parents are putting their kid on a hot stove at home, we can all agree, yeah, the state needs to intervene in that situation. But I can't think of any other areas where it's even legitimate for the state to intervene in parental rights, the autonomy of the family, any of it. And let's get this out of the box too. In North Korea, in China, kids in those societies are considered to be property of the state. That's the even bigger problem, Sandy. These school officials in this school in New Jersey, I mean, okay, it's a government school. They're acting like these kids are property of the state. And that's clearly wrong. And I think I hope the Supreme Court will slap this down. And I hope

24:33they go even further until this school, you are going to abide by the court's decision and respect parental rights. And if not, we're going to send in the US Marshall Service to arrest you. And it'll be a federal matter at that point. Well, they did. Didn't they, Andy and Brown versus Board of Education, when segregation was the issue, they did in fact send in the National Guard, the military, to make sure the school abided by the decision of the Supreme Court in that particular case. So there is precedent for what you're saying. I think that in this case, you put your finger on it when you said, you know, they're trying to destroy the families. That's what I see happening. They want to drive a wedge between children and their parents. They want to, they want to keep the secrets of the children. So the parents have no input in it. So God forbid, you know, this, this is something. And they're using as an excuse, well, these kids are vulnerable. Well, maybe they'd be less

25:38vulnerable if they had supported their family. If you told their family what's going on, their parents who have every right to know, especially, Andy, we're talking elementary school children here. This is not high school. You know, this is not when you would, when you have young adults, basically, they may still be legally minors, but young adults getting ready to go out into the world. This is 10 year olds. You know, I mean, this is who gets to keep a secret from the parents. I, what would you do if you found out that your school was with the school where your child was was keeping secrets from you regarding your minor child? Of two things, Sandy, I would get involved as a policy, as a parent to change the policy of that school. And if I was not able to change that policy, I would get my kid out of that school and go elsewhere. One of the other. Yeah, I tend to think that I, I would too. I mean, it's easy for me to say because I don't have any school age children, but I have a tendency to think, to be honest with you, that, and if I

26:42couldn't afford private school, I'd move, I'd move somewhere to a different public school system, um, to be honest with you. If I found a school was doing that, that to me is probably one of the most horrific things a school can do is keep a child's, uh, information from you, from their parents. It never occurred to me growing up that my parents didn't know everything that happened to me at school, that everything that I did, my, my record, everything I wanted to do. I mean, they're actually keeping records from the parents. So it's not just, you know, don't tell mom or dad, but if, if the child has actually gone to, or with the aid of a school counselor, gone to the administration, said, I want my name legally changed on my records. Um, I mean, first of all, the, a child should not have the right to change their legal record without their parent being no matter what it is. I don't care if it's transitioning or anything else, but I mean, you don't have a, you can't go and can a child go and change their address? Can they go and change their phone number? I mean,

27:44without the school checking with the parents to make sure that that's legit. I mean, these are kids. They do all sorts of bizarre things. So I mean, and something as important as identity as to what they, you know, they're going through something they've been, they've been either going through it themselves or been talked into it by somebody else. That's the important is gender identification and you're going to keep that from the parents. If you don't keep their, you know, a change of address from the parents, why would you keep something that that is that important from the parents? That's what I don't understand why you would do that until I start thinking of, you know, the DSA and the Socialist of America and their whole premise that, you know, they want to destroy the family unit because the family unit is a bulwark against socialism and we can't have that. We need people to not depend on their families. We need them to solely depend on the state because that's how we can control the population. That's the insidious, you know, underlying thing that I see happening

28:47there. Maybe you think I'm paranoid. Maybe, you know, Andy, maybe you think I'm just, I'm taking it too far. But these are all the thoughts that occurred to me when I was reading about this case. I'm like, oh my God, this is bad one. And it's much more insidious than it first appears. What do you think, Andy? You're not paranoid at all, Sandy. It, look, your children are either that, either just that, your children, or they're the property of the state. The reality is they're your children. And these educators that are doing this, it's clear they're behaving and acting like, whether it's your children or anybody else's children are the property of the state. And that's just not so. And we've got to forcefully assert that point. And that, and it's only going to happen if

29:48we get a decision in policy, it's abundantly clear that the right of the parents shall trump whatever the interest of the state is political or otherwise. And that it'll only be in a few limited areas where that's not the case. Yeah, there will be exceptions, but I think you're right. It has to be a sweeping, it needs to be a sweeping decision. Thank you so much for the call, Andy. I appreciate it. I appreciate it very much. Let's go to Jeff in Quincy. Jeff, welcome to WRKO. How are you this morning? Sadie, how are we doing today? So this might take on it. Basically, I pulled my kid out of public school for this exact same reason. Did you really? I put them in the, I did. I put them in the piece of an inch to choke fantastic program, by the way. Oh, Jeff, I'm sorry. Can I, I gotta hold you right there? Because we're up against a hard break. Please, please, please, stay on because I want to hear about this. We'll be coming back to you on the other side of the break. But the big question that we're talking about is, do children have a right to privacy? And do

30:51schools have a right to withhold information? And we're talking about a New Jersey school board that says it will keep information regarding its minor students from their parents, regardless of two Supreme Court cases that uphold parents rights. They're basically flipping the bird to the Supreme Court. And we were speaking before the break with Jeff in Quincy, who says he moved his child out of a school for exactly this reason. I'm so sorry. We were interrupted, Jeff. Please continue. So I basically sent my son to the Peterson Institute. It's a great school online. He did fantastic. They called me one day. They were doing a education on pronouns. And my son didn't want to participate. So he goes to get sent to the principal. They call me, and I'm like, wait a second, 73% of students are reading and math English and science below average. And you are fined for pronouns until we get rid of the public schools and offer school choice to the

31:53American people and their parents. This is never going to happen. The second you do that, no sensible parent is going to leave their kids in the disgusting public school system. Right now, we pay anywhere from 19 to $22,000 per child per year for school. You have any idea what kind of private education you can buy for that? Yeah, I do actually. I do know what private school education you can. No, I agree with you. And this goes to the fact that, you know, President Trump thinks that the control of school should be back in the states and not in federal hand. So he wants to get rid of the school board. But I'm concerned if it goes back into the states, which I think it's the right thing to do. You have states like New Jersey who say, you know, bleep, you know, this is a frame court versus, you know, and for all I know, I have no idea, you know, how Massachusetts stands on parental rights because they know cases come up with them right now regarding that. But the Supreme Court has held twice now that parents have the right to

32:56get involved in their kids and they need to be told if there's anything regarding any kind of program that could be in conflict with or in accordance with their moral or religious beliefs. And this, this particular school board, Jeff is going, yeah, we don't care. We don't, we'd rather follow the state law. And it was really funny to me that they said that because they're like, well, the state guidelines take precedence except the state guidelines aren't mandatory. According to their own attorney general, their own attorney general says they're not mandatory. I don't know about you, but I've always believed in as a lawyer. I've always felt very strongly that Supreme Court decisions are mandatory. Don't you think? I think every judge in New Jersey that had anything to do with this case should be removed immediately. Well, there are no, there are no judges in New Jersey who have had anything to do with this. This was just filed in federal court. So this, this just got filed in federal court by the moms of America and with these parents who are like, wait a minute,

34:01you know, they, so they've just, they've approached the school board. The school board meeting just happened a couple of few months ago. And the, they, the parents said, no, no, you can't do that. We're parents. We have the right to know. And they're like, no, the school, the, to be honest, we do the, the school guidelines take precedence. And the parents like, no, there are Supreme Court cases right on point with this. And they're like, no, we're going to follow the, the, the state guidelines. That, that is to me, there's, so there's two appalling things. One, parents don't have rights, according to the school district and two, bleep the Supreme Court. That's the other thing that's, that's, I find shocking in all of this. Jeff, so, so far, it's, it's a no, no judges in New Jersey. But, you know, days young, maybe we'll have some, you know, coming up, but, but you're really happy with the fact that you, that you moved your kids. Percent, he did better in the Peterson Institute, than he ever did in school. And like I said, 73% of kids are failing. Where is the outrage from the

35:04parents? Where are kids? I come out of college, not knowing how to sign a check. Now, do you think that your kids have the right to privacy? Do they have the right to keep things from you, Jeff? At 18 years old, yes. Okay. That, I, that, I mean, with the parents. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, children of that age are capable of making life decisions in such a monumental, on such monumental decisions. Yeah. I agree with you. And I never, I mean, did I try to keep stuff from my parents? Sure. You bet you're. But I was not particularly successful. First of all, because I don't have a poker face. And secondly, my parents were very good at ferriting things out. And they had an assist from the school who would tell them things. You know, I mean, they, nothing was ever kept to see. Of course, I went to a Catholic school. They didn't keep anything secret from my, from my parents. And, and I don't believe they did when I went to, when I, I was in public school for, for the first couple of years, I was in school and then a perochial school after that. But my brother went to public school too. And I don't believe they

36:09kept any secrets from, from, from them, either much to our chagrin. You know, as we, it's not of a bit, but you know, I mean, that's the way it was. That's the way it should be, I think. So thank you so much for the call, Jeff. I really appreciate it. I'm going to make this the poll question today regarding. So which you can take at, on X at the Kooner report, you can also take it at WRKO.com slash Kooner. It's brought to you by Mario's roofing, siding and windows. And the poll question's going to be should schools ever keep personal information from the parents of minor students? That's my question. Should that ever be allowed? I don't care what the topic is. I don't care what the subject is. I don't care if it's transitioning. I don't care if it's grades, I don't care if it's address. I don't care if it's a fight. I don't care if it's a, how they dressed, I don't care what it is. Should schools ever keep personal information from the parents of minor students? Again, you can take that at the Kooner report on X or WRKO.com slash Kooner and

37:15it's brought to you by Mario's roofing siding and windows. Because I was shocked that there were schools that thought that was okay. And I guess there are more of those than not these days that think that that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Would it shock you to hear that since parents began speaking out against this policy, the secrecy policy, that they have been subjected to threats and intimidation. In fact, one of the families in this case that's suing the Chatham schools in New Jersey now has police security outside their homes because they have been threatened. I mean, are you surprised by that? So for standing up for their children and their religious beliefs and their rights as parents, they are subjected to public backlash. They're subjected to threats of violence, you know, by by ideologues and rabid activists who are, it appears to me,

38:23devoid of any civility or basic caring for any other human beings, you know, anyone who disagrees with them deserves to be targeted and trampled regardless of whether you have to break the law to do it, to hurt them. Isn't that kind of behavior exactly what a school board who refuses to follow the law promotes? Is the school board actually promoting this kind of backlash against these parents? Isn't that the lesson that they're teaching their students that it's okay to say bleep you to your parents? It's okay to say bleep you to the Supreme Court. So therefore, it's okay to to fight back in any way that you want. Isn't it teaching them that parents are toothless, are not to be obeyed or not to be listened to, that the school board has the strength to say bleep you to the highest court in the land where their law-biting parents are subjugated

39:23by that same court and by the schools, by the school system because that's what I see is being taught to these kids. What do you see being taught? 617-266668-68 is the number. Let's go to Jacob in Roxbury. Jacob, welcome to WRK or how are you? Oh, good. I'm good. Thank you. Sandy, for taking my call. You're welcome. I want to find when you're going to get your own show because we need you back. Oh, you're so sweet. Thank you. I like that because you have interesting stuff, different types of things on your show. But I just want to say this right here. You have to go all the way back and I'm going to make it real quick. You have to go all the way back. See, the land of the free. I think this is one crazy with it. Everything is just, it's just wow. No, I have the right to do this. I have the right to do this. And it's just wow. It goes back to the land of the free and somebody's going to have to make

40:24some rules and tell them that it's a price that comes with that. It's not free. And then people going to have to decide, I mean, I just got to decide this, this slogan we got, oh, love the free. That's all it is. I'm done with it. That's all I have to say. But I think it's got a lot to do with it. And thank you again. I hope to hear from you. So well, don't, don't go. I appreciate that, Jacob, but don't go because I have a couple questions for I so agree with you. It does go right back to the land of the free. I think what most people don't understand is that freedom also means responsibility freedom. And this is going to sound trite. And I don't mean it to, but I don't know how else to say it. Freedom isn't free. There's all sorts of responsibilities that come with freedom, you know, responsibilities to other people, as well as, you know, to yourself, you know, your freedom of speech, your choices absolutely. But you also have to respect has to be built into that respect for other people, for other people's choices as well. Don't you think, Jacob? I agree, 100%. And it's just so much with so much going on. Everybody feels entitled. And I

41:33should do this. What do you mean I can't do this? It's almost everybody's having tantrums. Oh, that's such a good way to put it. I absolutely, it is. And to me, what I'm seeing now is that the school board in New Jersey in Chatham is, and the school, this, this Chatham school district is having a temper tantrum. So much so that they're saying, bleep you to parents and to the Supreme Court at the same time. And it's like, we want to do it. We want to do how dare you tell us we can't. Which is the attitude that you see now pervasive in a whole generation of people brought up to the school system. You know, they can't, they can't brook any kind of disagreement. There was just, I'm trying to remember what district it was. I just saw it last night. There was a, a, a student association in a university that voted 100% not to allow a Republicans club on campus. Because they don't agree with them. That's the kind of attitude. Those are temper tantrums. I think that was a very, a very apt description, Jacob. Those are temper tantrums. We don't agree with them. So

42:39they can't come on. And that's a little temper tantrum. There you go. You're out. I, I, I was like, wow. So these students want to meet. They don't want to bother you. They're not asking for our protest or asking for any kind of function. They just want to be able to, you know, meet like any other student organization like the one that wants to, like the one that wants to revere Saddle Shoes is the one that wants to get together and collect stamps. So the ones that like techno music or whatever it is that they have in common, they want to get together and talk about it. But we can't let that happen because we don't agree with them. So I, I think this is an extension of all those snowflakes that were brought up. They can't, they need a quiet space on campus. That, that now we have a school system run by these people. And so they can't, brook the fact that the Supreme Court tells them that they're wrong. So therefore, bleep the Supreme Court. And I think it all goes back to exactly what you started with, which is they took the idea of land of the free and took it as land of whatever I want as opposed to land of the free.

43:43So thank you so much for the call Jacob. I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble. I think, I think Jacob really had his finger right on it. I think that's, that's exactly what's happening. People are confusing freedom with, with free stuff or, you know, or nobody disagreeing with them. That's not the same thing. You know, freedom is the freedom to make choices. It's not getting everything you want. There's a difference. You have to pick between things and you have to weigh the consequences. And in fact, not just on you, but on other people and other people's rights. And these are the things you have to take into account when you live in a free society. Because freedom means choice and it means responsibility. It doesn't mean I get everything I want. But that, I think, is what the school board in New Jersey is teaching. They're teaching their students that, that they can have whatever they want. They don't have to respect their parents. They don't have to respect the law. They don't respect anything. And to me, that is a horrible, horrible waste of not

44:49just an education, but of a generation of people. If you have a whole generation, people have been brought up in that, in that way. 617-266-668-68-68. Let's go to Nicole and South Carolina. Nicole, welcome to WRK. How are you? Good morning. Can you, Heming? I can. Excellent. So I was born and raised in Massachusetts. I'm just down here on vacation. But today, my grandson starts his first day of fourth grade in the public schools. This is a very- Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. We don't want him in the public schools. We tried to pull him out because of all of the indoctrination and grooming that's going on. But there wasn't an available slot in the Catholic school that we tried to get into. So he has one more year in elementary school, but we're refusing to do middle school and high school because of what's going on. People in Massachusetts want to deny that it's happening in Massachusetts. They don't want to point out that the town of Lexington has been sued by a family of a five-year-old that was being indoctrinated into gender ideology.

45:55So my main point for people who have their children in public schools who are in a situation where maybe they can't pull them out, you have the right to send in a letter every year stating, I do not want my child to receive such a little education through the public schools. I do not want gender ideology talked about. It doesn't give us 100 percent proof that that's not going to happen in the schools, but at least you can make your views known that you don't want that to go on. Well, you've got a Supreme Court case. Nicole, you've got Mahmoud versus Taylor, which was just decided this past spring, which says, you cannot, you cannot, induct, you cannot give a child any kind of information regarding gender ideology if the parents say no. Nothing regarding the LGBTQ, you know, list of topics that they want taught that parents have the right to opt out of that. It was just came down this literally

46:56this past spring, one of the big decisions that they made. And so it exists, parents have the right to opt out of that. So the school board really doesn't have an option unless they go rogue like New Jersey where they say bleep the Supreme Court. So that's what you need to keep your eye on, whether they're, whether the school board in Lexington or the school board, wherever your grandchild is, you know, decides bleep the Supreme Court, which was not beyond the realm of possibility since New Jersey has already tried to try to do it. But these parents are bringing a lawsuit to stop it. So I think that that's, that's the possibility, but, but you do have the right to do that letter that you're suggesting, which I think is an excellent, excellent idea. So what, let me ask you a question, Nicole, do you think that children have the right to privacy? I don't think that a young child should be able to hold information from their parents. I think

47:56like to call us later earlier up to 18, you know, when I was raised, dad had to say up until 18, then, you know, you were on your own. I raised my children the same. I put three children through public schools. And the last child who's 25, you can see some of that ideology that just blows my mind at, and I'll look at her and say, are you, are you, are you all right? And I know that that came from school. And, and this is where parents have to get dangerously loud and get together and say, we don't want this for our children. They're not your children. They're our children. I don't know why we're all just being crickets. Why aren't we standing up and fighting to protect our children? You know, it's funny that you say that because I noticed something with my niece when she was a little girl and she was coming home from school. And I guess they were teaching them at school that smoking was bad. And, you know, I don't smoke, but, you know, my, at the time, I think my, my brother

48:56may have had a cigarette, too. It wasn't a big smoker, but, you know, a cigarette or two. And she thought nothing of going up and taking his cigarette and breaking it. And she was what, seven. And I'm like, what the believe? I mean, it was, I mean, she'd been taught at school that that was okay to do. And at the time, I'm thinking, well, it's smoking, but, you know, as I thought about it, I'm like, well, what else are they teaching them? It's okay to be aggressive about to your parents. And, and, and, and it's like, you know, interstrangers. I mean, I was always taught you, you show elders your, you know, respect your parents, your grandparents, adults that were not your parents, but they were adults. They all, they all deserved respect. And so, I mean, but that's not a, was instead of not even saying you really shouldn't smoke. They taught me that in school. It was okay for her to go up and break the cigarette. And I was shocked by that, Nicole. Did you ever see anything like that from your youngest? I have seen an aggression of children that have a

49:56completely different subject with me. And my daughter varied was when it came to the drag shows, because of no-admastachusetts, they're having you come into, you know, playtime with drag queens, or storytime with drag queens. And I was outraged. Listen, when I was 21, we all went into jocs in the theater district and got a laugh. And I don't have an issue if that's what, you know, somebody does, right? But it's not around children. And her stance on it was so different. We'll come to find out she had was taken to a show at 16 that I wasn't even aware of. It wasn't through the school district. It was through a job. But I was so outraged. And if I knew at the time, probably wouldn't have went down with the employer very well. That my 16-year-old daughter was brought to a drag show. Yeah. Once again, I don't have an issue with drag shows or if people want to go to attend them. This is children, what they're exposing our children to. And I forget what's called a set up, but it's going to go right back to destroying the family unit. That's what this

50:58is all about, destroying the family unit. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. It is something that we that we need to be aware of. And because I couldn't figure out why would you want to, you know, alienate parents? Why would you do that as a school? Because nobody, I never saw anybody do that when I was growing up. And the only thing I can think of is in fact that, well, because, you know, we have to make families bad. We don't want there to be the tie that binds. We want them to only turn to the state. We don't want them turning to their own family or a church or anything else that has any kind of authority that could vie for the authority of the state. That's what it looks like to me. And I couldn't decide whether I'm just being way too paranoid. You know, I don't want to sound like, you know, during the 1950s in America, during the McCarthy scene, a communist under every rock. But when you see a school district saying it's okay to keep secrets from a parent and even when the Supreme Court tells them, no, it isn't. Wow. I have to think what there has to be an agenda

52:00there, you know, and that's and that's what I find very concerning. Thank you so much for the call Nicole. I appreciate it very much. Let's go to Mike in Walpole, Mike. Welcome to WRKO. How are you, sir? Good, good. Good morning. Good morning. Good way to get my blood to boil. Awesome. Awesome. So Mike, tell me, do you think kids have a right to privacy? No, not until Larry teamed like the second two college ago, that gentleman. Yeah. I want to know everything that goes on with my son, even today, he's not even, he's going to be too in January. And I want to know everything that happens in his everything. Yeah. And my wife and I were already talking private school. We're already going to look into 15k a year for private school because we already saw Newton North, Walpole, Norwood, like that. That girl, the woman from I was in North Carolina for a couple of hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're paying $20,000. I know for a fact, they paid $20,000

53:04to have a drag queen come talk to the children in high school. Why? What did what did that do? Is that history? I went to a I was in Catholic school. I went to post John and never. We never, never once learned any of this junk. We learned about realism, capitalism. We didn't learn about any. Oh, hold on there, Mike. I'm going to come back to you. We're up against a break. I'll come back to you on the other side. My experience was like, very much like yours. We didn't learn anything like that.