Scott Speed: Red Bull, F1, and Why He Left the Driver's Seat

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it's Wednesday the guest segment and we got a great guest coming in here today Scott speed

for episodes 701 thanks for joining us here in the Arby studio don't forget about Arby's new

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been in the driver development side of things over the last every years with Josh wise they

worked predominantly with Chevrolet drivers to coach them up make them athletes make them great at

reaction time teach them how to be grown adults teach them good race craft all these things

and that business has is booming it's and it's really developed into a very thorough intricate sort of

um a bit of it's a bit of a college I would say I don't know what you call it but um

they got a lot of drivers involved in that and

Scott's been part of that for quite a while now

but before that Scott raced in NASCAR before that ARCA before that

using F1 series and many many other things before so I don't know all of Scott's career I do know

that he uh that he that he had some spectacular you know moments uh at times and some good success

rally cross me in one of those after after his cup career was over uh but he's drove a ton of

cars and he's always shown incredible speed no pun intended um some things worked out some things

didn't I'm excited to learn about the career of Scott speed it's going to be a fun one let's bring

him in the room all right Scott speed on the delgenre download thanks for coming in today Scott

my pleasure thanks for coming I'm serious man hey uh looking over these notes dude you've done it all

I mean 40 you're only 43 years old and I say that because once we go through this

you know this career of yours it's it's going to be impressive what you've packed into

to 43 years all the different disciplines and things that you've experienced but three time

X games rally cost gold medalist four time rally cross champion you've won other champions in

other forms of motorsport um but I wanted to where where were you born uh yeah I was from the start

huh right from the start I was born in California the Bay Area the Bay Area where did you see racing

what when did you first go hey what is that it's got a great question I I was born into it I would

say from three years old I was going to the go-cart track while I'm watching my dad race go carts

and so I I can't think of a memory before I saw racing yeah um did your dad race at the garage

he did what kind of uh what kind of racing did he do yeah he did he race go carts and so we

we raced out of the garage and he was he was really good um he was a national champion he was

he was a sponsored go-cart driver yeah um that's how he could afford to do it um so I got to see my

dad race go carts at a super high level where did um you guys go to compete well he ran he ran

all over the country he ran um some big races and and he actually he raced lay down go carts as well

like the stuff they tell us it's a year's point and they do the same uh um and and then also he

raced the the sit-up go carts like the standard ones and we raced all around um California there is

you know tracks you know couple you know like probably three tracks within an hour two hours of

of where we grew up when did you decide uh you know that you wanted to give it a shot um well

I think I always wanted to you know from age three I guess um you know I was I saw my dad racing how

much he liked it he was really good at it and so I started racing video games so what video games

man I'm thinking uh early stuff you know Sega um you know there was a Grand Prix game um there

was Monaco Grand Prix there was um gosh obviously Daytona USA when that came out was super popular

and then um you had the Sega rally yeah that was uh an original game I'd say you you started

racing cars in 2001 or yes so I got my first shot in a in a car in 2001 okay you began

carton at age ten yep yep okay it a really interesting impactful moment for me really because

like I said as I always watch my dad do this I raced every video game I could um growing up and

and eventually um my dad had a friend who had a kid my age who had a go cart and he said hey do

you think Scott would want to try this thing and that my friend he had been racing for a couple

years and I got into his go cart and like my very first session out in the go cart I was faster

than he was yeah and I was like oh man I'm like pretty good at this and the and the guy gave my dad

my my my kid that his kids go cart to try I raced that go cart for a year I did really good and the

next year I ended up winning a national championship so it happened really really fast yeah and that

was good and bad it was good in the sense that I I then had the ability I got sponsored from that

right I started getting tires and go carts for free and and that allowed me to continue racing the

bad piece of that is I like really early on had this really bad idea that I was just naturally

talented I was like I got this like yeah I just sat in it I could do it I was completely unaware

of all of the work and all of the things that I had absorbed up to that point which was watching

my dad at a super high level playing video games learning how to make cars move how to make him go

fast and so when I obviously got in one I had some I had a lot of knowledge on it and so you know

from that moment on I just I was a fast study I was able to pick up things pretty quickly and

and and and that really launched my career when you're you know you won the super

title in 2000 you raced carts until 2001 you won the IKF grand nationals and then you graduated

into formula cars your dad had ran carts his whole life or hit during during his career he was a

cart racer you as well what are the how did you create these opportunities or get these

chances to go race full-size cars I just I want a lot of cart races you know the

you meet who did you meet that said hey I wanted to try this well unfortunately I never had the

the ability or put the effort into doing any of that like reaching out to anybody I got really

lucky every opportunity I got was either from winning a scholarship or obviously the huge

opportunity was when Red Bull called and said hey we're going to do this Red Bull American driver

search and we select you to come and and and compete in this before that I would just get

opportunities by winning a cart race and there was always some kind of programs around I'm thinking

skip Barber Jim Russell where hey you win a win a chance to do the driving school here in the race

car and I would do that when you hear about those things you wonder now you know my those type of

things don't happen in the oval pipeline right where you man if you if you win these series of

races that gets you the scholarship to do X or get you the the opportunity in this ride in this

series and when I hear those when I hear about those I've I've had a lot of guys sitting at chair

and tell me the same story about how this win this championship propelled them into the next series

driving for this specific team and and they went over to Europe and so forth which we're probably

we're going to get into with your your own career how legitimate are those opportunities are they

is it a money game or back then was it genuinely like a system of working system to help

provide you know opportunity for drivers like yourself to get out of carts to get beyond

you know the next level I mean I think by and large it's it's always been the same there's

always people out there that want to help the next generation and I say that because I I'm

that person now right so there's always someone trying to help you know there's never been you know

motor racing has never been like football where there's a set you know program there's always

different paths that everyone takes even you know in NASCAR and in Formula 1 the guys that reach

the top they all come through different kind of unique paths when I was growing up it was similar

in the sense that there was there was some programs there's probably less now honestly an open

wheel but there was always some programs where guys would give scholarships or you would meet someone

I mean for example I got you know I got to do a Mazda race in that time and I won my first Mazda

race and then from then the team that I was racing for said hey we need you to come race full time

how can we make this happen it was like well we're gonna need like $5,000 a race well I didn't have

that and so I'd call around to some friends and I'd get a couple guys to write write me checks for

$5,000 a race and then I went and did a couple of those and then I actually found two two people

to give me that and then I ran out and but I'd already done four races and we're doing really good

in the championship and this seems like oh well we're just gonna let you run the rest of time

and then from there the the huge break the the thing that changed my life was the Red Bull run off

all right so tell me what the Red Bull run off is well Red Bull had this idea that they wanted to

create an American Formula 1 team and funny enough it was also with Ford because Red Bull is looking

to buy the Jaguar F1 team and they had this idea that they wanted this whole American thing American

F1 driver American manufacturer and originally actually I find this out later in life but this

was originally Danny Solven's idea right and he and he was pretty instrumental in trying to put

that program together in any case they got into Dietrich Matyshitz lap in Red Bull and he thought

this is a great idea real smart marketing guy and they put together this this driver search they

select 16 of us young American racing drivers anywhere from I was on the younger end I think I was

18 at the time maybe 17 and they they brought us all to Europe we did fitness tests we did

hand-eye coordination tests we raced some go-karts some formula cars and eventually they narrowed

it down to to four of us to to eventually move to Europe and to race in Europe and so you were

one of the guys that got that opportunity to go to Europe and race in the British Formula 3

championship what do you you know what's your memories of that experience being over in Europe and

life I mean massive culture change and well just also growing up yeah you know I would say I was

a pretty sheltered 19 year old when I went over there my parents did a lot for me I barely knew

how to pump gas I stayed home played video games all day I played in like I just I did so much

but living like as as really an adult at that time like was did you have the hard yeah did you

have any kind of parental supervision of any type any kind of guidance of any type I know that's

an 80-skid no we I shipped over there my dad left me with a suitcase and I got good luck

apartment yeah and yeah how scary was that advocate well I would say it wasn't scary because of

just I didn't know any better this is great I got freedom I'm not living at home you know I'm living

up yeah in Europe yeah which was really cool actually because like I'm an American I had this

American Californian accent so can imagine like living England was awesome like people it was it

was a unique culture the food was really hard because it's not it's not you know moms it's not

moms home cook meal by any means you know and but it was a really cool experience and honestly

looking back at all of it that the being able to live overseas and and live in these different

cultures and I eventually moved from from England to Austria to to where Red Bull was based for

the remainder of my European racing career and I think that was the things that I take away most

you know being able to see different cultures different racing and how people can live life

differently than than I grew up doing yeah so how did how did you find success over there was a good

well it was really really hard to start yeah um I think you know the level you know the comparable

would be to have someone would want to race a NASCAR and was growing up in Europe you have to come

here right so imagine like um you're you're racing in Europe and you want to race a NASCAR

and you come over here and you do your first truck race it's like wow everything just got serious

it's really hard and so it was like that for the for the open wheel side at road racing side of

things here like when I was racing here in America where there was formula Mazda or like the small

formulas that I did right out of GoCarding it was the level wasn't even on the same planet to what it

is over there and that that's where all the best guys that go to go to race open wheel go they go to

Europe and so there's just this huge concentration of talent of young kids and the first year was

really really hard um about a lot of health issues I had old my I started uh I got old straight

colitis so I was using the bathroom a lot I was I was really anemic at at some points um and

and just how do you have that came about uh probably well my my ulcerative colitis is an auto

immune disease so it's something that I had um all you're all going on yeah um but stress is

certainly not helpful for that you can imagine being a 19 year old trying to live and make a

career in in motor racing but honestly it didn't really affect me much because I just so

so focused on the racing and so focused at the job at hand um but it was really really tough

the first year I think I got my first year race I got like one top 10 and honestly I thought well

okay I don't have it that I mean I we would also heard you know as a kid I think even to this day

as an American open real or you think that you know going over to Europe and racing and open

wheel cars are an F1 like that's just too hard we don't we can't do that we don't have that

ability um so I just thought okay I pretty I'm like the standard American went over here like

these guys are really good they're better and it's where I'm at you had to come back to get

treatment um yep I was really lucky Red Bull had some great um doctors in in Europe and and

basically after the first year of really struggling I moved to Austria and got some really good help

by those doctors there I had a really good support system there that Red Bull put in place for me

um and the second my second year of racing over there is when when everything kind of changed

and some of that was maybe a little bit of getting life in order but most of it was just

um that dealing with the challenges of um you know the racing over there and competing against

the best and and learning and so my second year I ended up winning two open wheel championships

over there and had and started finding a lot of success and then everything changed really quickly

you got the GT GP2 in 2005 and um which is formula two this today and um you got promoted

to the top driver of the team um all of this would you know you had a lot of podiums top five finishes

finished third in the drivers points uh and you would also compete in the A1 Grand Prix

all of this would present you the opportunity to become a test driver for Red Bull in the Air

14 you know do you do you realize I guess what do you think about that today I know at the moment

at the time you probably had you it was how everything's happening so quickly and and life's moving

so fast you had no moment to really sit down and realize where you had where you had landed right

oh I think I think I grasped it at the time I mean yeah absolutely I mean it could it not

because it's just so big Josh um how old were you in the at the time when you were

tabbed as a test driver for the F1 team well I was competing in GP2 so far yep uh I drove

I got the test and the the big thing the test driving thing was was just a formality that was

things were already kind of set that that was that was put in place because I was going to race

the next year the the big moment came when I got the call to do the the F1 test and so you know

I just got the GP2 I just won some championships I was one of the best you know one of the higher

rated Red Bull junior drivers at the time and they they had a stacked field the really cool

opportunity I got was the Red Bull junior team at that time was just fast kids

carting champions they had you know obviously Sebastian Fettel was right behind me in age

there was a stacked group of Red Bull drivers that didn't need Red Bull didn't care if you had

money helmet marker was out there picking the best kids and so it was a really unique environment

to be around and living with like the best what would become you know Sebastian Fettel that some of

the best open wheel racers of all time all in kind of one area and and kind of um together in Austria

together doing Red Bull events doing you know training having an actual training facility where

you would go twice a day to work on your physical fitness and to work on yourself doing the reaction

time tests and you know this is all early days but at the time this was this wasn't being done yeah

so to be in that environment with all these kids it was cutthroat but it was also you know

there was some camaraderie like we were all trying to make a racing career and so doing all that

ultimately ended with getting a call to say hey you're going to drive you're going to test the F1

car um and that was for me when I got that call like that was it I could die a happy man I was

going to get the drive at worst case yeah I got I was going to get to drive you know the fastest

car on the planet and I remember going into that test being completely content not having any

expectations and just being like I made it this is good and as it turned out at we did this test

there was four other Red Bull juniors that were effectively I didn't I mean we were trying out

for the F1 ride right and for whatever reason I was just really fast it was one of these things

that in my career as I got it was a Barcelona and how much experience had you had there before um

I got to I got to test on it um in the in the GP2 car so I'd been around the track I knew the track

but honestly from a GP2 car which I would say is about the speed of an Indy car

to an F1 car it's a different planet right and I remember specifically being in the hotel room

the night before and I'm watching the onboard of Christian clean in the car I'm about to drive

and I'm literally like a little scared because I'm watching like how fast he's going into the

corners and where he's breaking and thinking oh I have to do that tomorrow and it was just so fast

so much faster um it was like the sense of like really nervous like I was really scared and I just

I studied the video I was watching like well he's breaking here at the 100 meter somehow all right

going through this corner in fifth gear somehow all right and I just I just watch this video and I was

like all right well I'm just gonna go out there and try to try to do this and uh and it was really

interesting because at the time the guys that we were all running um they were all gonna do that

test I would have rated us all as really great racing drivers and as soon as we all got in the

F1 car and the grip level went that next 30% and all of a sudden now you're doing four and a half

g's in the corner you're breaking a five g's there was a huge gap and I think if I remember

I mean I was probably a second faster than the other guys and then like the the the delta just

went huge and I didn't know why it it isn't wasn't like I was trying harder but something about

feeling the tire at such high grip force I I could do and so I was like man this is incredible like

for one I got to drive this thing and for two like I'm actually doing this pretty good like I couldn't

believe it so that is what got me the opportunity to ultimately race for the for the Toro so team

what did you think about uh when they you know when when you're putting away your helmet and your

helmet bag at the end of that day uh and you know what the end results are in terms of the

performance on the racetrack man I think that to me it was it was just val it was just validation to

me um you know I didn't how I had it looking back I mean I just had a really terrible model for

how I used racing and how I thought about things you know I had a very fixed mindset about

about things so for me I never went through racing trying to learn or get better I just went

through it trying to see how good I was like where do I stack up between these people so when I

got to this place I thought why I can't believe that I'm actually at this level um whether they

gave me the job to drive the car or not it was it wasn't about that I was I was like a more about

seeing like how good am I at racing um and I thought okay I'm I can't believe that this is the

level I'm at but cool I'm this good and it was just a measurement and just a validation for me yeah

there's not many people in the world that can claim that they've gotten the opportunity to race

in F1 um but that's what would uh that's what would happen um you'd be the first American to

participate in F1 since Michael and Dready uh Red Bull purchases minority and uh starts up the

Toro Rossi team uh and they tabbed you to be one of their drivers I can't I can't imagine

you're any more nervous about that particularly racing any other race and all the preparation

that you had to do going into it probably made you feel ready um but you

your F1 career you know for whatever reason um was a was a clunky one there were some moments um but

like what would you what would you do I guess what would you do different would there be anything

you could have done differently oh miss so much I could have done differently well what I'm

looking back I think man just I think the the core piece of it just starts at how how I thought about

racing in general um I had no um I had no communication skills I had no real education you know I

gone from high school to this and I just mean that I didn't know how the world worked I didn't know

how to communicate with people I didn't know what it took to drive a race car fast I knew that when

I sat in the seat that I had this magic pouch of talent and that it made me drive a car fast

I had no idea why um and when that didn't work I was left with well what's wrong with the car

what's wrong with this like I never had the real ability to look internally and say like what

what can I do to affect the situation I didn't look at it like that um and so the other really

difficult thing about Formula One and the thing that was really hard for me was for the first time

you're not in the same cars as everybody and so to win a race doesn't mean the same thing

and I remember specifically like you know Michael Schumacher was a hero of mine as a kid growing up

I idolized this guy I watched him and I got to be around him and I remember thinking once I got

to F1 like you're really only racing your teammate because at that time the difference between the

cars are so big yeah and not nowadays it's actually closed up a lot but back when I was like we

were gonna finish a lap down almost no matter who you weren't gonna come so that makes it really

difficult to be to find motivation or to find the drive to get better and I remember asking Michael

one time like dude like how do you put in this much war like you're racing Rubens like you just

won cool you beat the other Ferrari like how like how do you find the drive to really push like because

of me in my mind I just quickly extrapolate out like right now I'm running you know if we have a

great weekend I'm running an eighth if we have a bad weekend I'm running 14th but just racing

Tonyo and we're kind of just pretty laid back guys how do you motivate yourself to put in 100%

effort um and I just couldn't understand because Michael went deep he he put in so much work he was

the first guy to like really bring a gym to the race track and I just I couldn't imagine and I think

the idea of just simply waking up every day and trying to be better than you were and working on

yourself and competing against yourself I had no concept of that yeah my idea was purely like did I

win on the weekend yes no okay it was either a good day or a bad day yeah I never had the chance to

I also felt uh have a very high opinion of Michael Schumacher and never got a chance to meet him

what was he like just uh a disciplined focused um very driven person who um who really loved

what he did um I think that you know that the story that that I remember the story that the

resonated me with me the most was you know at the time the FIA was testing helmets

in a certain way and he figured out that they weren't really testing this area of the helmet and

in a formula one car you're pulling a lot of G-Force so not only do you see already probably the

most physically fit guy on the paddock but he was also modifying helmets and working with the

helmet manufacturer to take ounces out of the front part of the helmet that wasn't being tested

because it would save the load on the neck and he'd be fresher for the end of the race so like

it's just that level of depth that he went to to get better I couldn't understand how he got there

yeah um and so it was it was really cool to see to see that

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performance of the team um you know how how i guess how much does that play a factor in

your opportunity right to to to to find

you know it's red bulls relatively new to f1 at this point they've you know you've you've seized

this opportunity to be one of the drivers in the car but you're also on a in a rebuild of your

brand new build of a team that's struggling to really find out where they are on the on the competitive

scale um i guess how was there any frustration over over not being able to see out a little more

of that runway being able to be behind the wheel you're learning as a driver but the team's also

you know finding you know you know trying to correct their own missteps and in the process of

building the team i mean it was very imperfect you know were you was there any frustration ever not

having a little bit more of the runway there to see that out um no not not really i think that

look i think that's always the case everybody's always working on the car and trying to make it

better and and everyone's going to miss they you know that's the beautiful thing about sports

and racing is every weekend you get to go and see what reality is so you go and you do a race weekend

you come back and you're like all right what worked what didn't work we're going to try this now

from the driving side and the engineering and the racing side that's what's so beautiful about

motor racing and then you go to the weekend you go to the race the next weekend and you get to find

out if is what you change working or not working that's the reality um so i think that is always a

part of it but i can tell you that you know when i left Formula 1 and um in spectacular fashion

i had opportunities to race with other i had other opportunities in f1 and i couldn't get over

the for one i think being away from america for so long was a piece of this but also just

the car not having like a clear um definition of what like i can impact as a driver

from a results standpoint because all the cars are different like i couldn't make that work in my

head like so from running if i was running fifth or tenth or winning in a Ferrari in my mind like

i was just get i only got to race one guy and it's like that's that wasn't enough feedback for me

like i want to know like you know that i can impact the result more as a driver and i just was not

aware of how much you could just you could do that and then the perfect example is that a

Sebastian Fettel when he came in because he came in with such great energy and such great drive

that that affected the whole team i mean he ended up winning in in effectively the same car that

we were running twelfth in and it's not like that's all driving that's all culture that's all

pushing that's all motivating everybody there's so many other things that he brought that i didn't

even know you could yeah do you remember getting penalized for cursing at david cool tart

in a place right here oh yeah i mean that's a piece that probably changed motor racing for me the

most you know as my third f one race i got i finished eighth in the austrian grand prix i won

toros's first point um it was unbelievable and then somehow i guess the the other red bull team

protested us they said i passed david under caution under a crash and i thought well that's strange

because like david had to pit anyways after it had no effect on his race why would he

why would he protest us for this and they're looking at this video and and evidently like a yellow flag

came out like right beside him as we're going by at like 150 miles an hour and he's like yeah i saw

that and i slowed down and i was like i said i probably cursed at him i was very childish at the time

and david is such a smart you know and i've got to hang out and be with david recently

um and he's just such a smart calculated um guy that um i utilized zero you'd think that you

know a young kid would take a veteran like that and try to like ask some questions i was just

as outrageously cocky kid and so they um you know they penalized me and they took the point away

and that disheartened me so much that i want to say it was that point but really shortly after

i just i lost a lot of motivation for trying to continue to push really hard

so um how do you end up leaving f1 um well i got we were doing a race at nirburgring okay

we qualify at that time i think me and tonia qualified 17th or 18th dollar is this a spectacular

story quote start 17th and 18th on the grid our car the toroso car was outrageous in the wet

earlier that year in monica was actually p1 in practice in the in the rain in pre in p um

free practice one um the thing is our car was really good though that we don't know why

right before the start of the race it downpours i mean pouring rain so you have to start the race

on slick tires me and tonio drive from 17th and 18th to i think i came in the pits 11th after three

quarters of a lap we're fine i'm passing cars on the ob just you're you're dog fighting and i

passed tonio in the last section come into pit road and so in f1 you can only pit one car at

time so it was really crucial that you know you entered first so i just dive bon pass on and i

passed him in the last sector i come in the pits where they got tonio's tires waiting

and so i come in they put tonio's tires on then they realize shoot we got to take those off

in and it's a matter well they're his tires you so like a he's coach those codes below

his car and it's illegal yeah because otherwise if you fail i couldn't like take those sets

yeah time okay and so the pit stop ends up taking forever we lose a lot of time the next lap

now we got rain tires on there but it's pouring so much the entry to the first corner at

Nurburgring is pre down hill and go into the break zone i'm pretty conservative and i i don't stop

a second i'm hydro planning down the hill off into the gravel i'm crashed so the race is over

i mean the most spectacular two laps basically in my f1 career and i come in and uh i'm actually

like in a pretty good mood because it was pretty awesome i drove from my whole team till i mean it

didn't work out but like it was an awesome first lap yeah and i'm talking to my engineer in front

the the team owner france comes up he's like what happened in turn one and i was like what do you

mean like there's eight cars parked out there Lewis Hamilton jensen button like uh everybody

basically that went in the corner i was like well the same thing happened every everybody else we

hydroplained in a thing and he says no not everybody just the wankers and i was like

you're right Lewis he's a wanker jensen you're you're right everybody saying i told him the f off

and i and i walked away yeah and i guess i thought i could tell the team owner that he can f off

and that everything was be okay in my mind it was not in the next weekend's imagine pedal was in

the car and and that was it that was the end yeah and uh honestly it was time like i i it

wasn't for like i didn't have the ability the the model to process what needed to have like

how to be a racing driver and for me i was it was just as much of me wanting to go as it was

them wanting me gone yeah so you would you go to go to your apartment pack uh well first i met with

you know they put faddle in the car right and that was uh the the state as a as a test driver did

you not um no so i stayed around while faddle he he did two races and when he when it was pretty clear

that he was running in the same spot i was he wasn't qualifying or finishing any better

dd called me and said hey look like obviously the car isn't you know really capable right now but we

love you what do you want to do and he gave me carte blanche i could i could pick basically anything so

it was a really an important time that at least it kind of chosen anything um i could be test driver

with the main team and stick around in the red bull f1 deal i could go you know basically he wanted

to know what i want to do is um the the easy the easy solution would have been to do like dtm or

like sports car racing and you're up and dtm was cool it was it was but for me like

i had done i had to answer the question i had for myself which is like how good am i as a racing

driver and i was like okay i'm like i'm not i'm not a Lewis i knew like i'm not Lewis i'm not

Nico but like i'm a good f1 guy cool i'm i'm can sleep i've answered the question for myself

and i want to go do something fun i want to go do something different i don't want to just keep

like i know where i make after form of the one everything was such a huge in my mind step down

that it wouldn't it just didn't make sense so i decided to go home so i decided to go back to

america and and i said hey what do you think about nascar to dd and he's like i love it go go there

and i thought okay i'm gonna come back to america and i'm just gonna race nascar cup series

just like that just like that and i got here what before that moment though what did you

known about cup almost nothing i actually man my it's i'm embarrassed to say but i what about it

like you you know you you just said you know everything was a step down what about it stood out to you

well it was different yeah i knew it was very different um and it would be a challenge yeah um i did

grow up a little bit watching obviously your dad uh Ernie Irvin um i watched some stock car racing

but not enough to really have any grasp of what it was gonna take or what the level was at all

i just thought okay there's these southern boys out here running around in circles like surely

i can figure this out i mean basically days of thunder yeah like it was very it was very similar

i thought okay i'm gonna get in there and and um luckily goon thish diner was running the the red

bull nascar team at the time and he had some kind of wisdom about him to say hey maybe let's start

off by doing like a year of arca and some truck and we'll feed you into this thing i'm surprised

that i love this about red bull um they went they built you up to be able to take over a seat in

the f1 car the top echelon of motorsport in the planet and when that didn't end up working out

as everyone had hoped they gave you other opportunities and you were still in the family and they

were still believing in you and knew that there was somewhere in their portfolio that you could

you know you could have success i'm just really because usually you assume that the guys guys

get chewed up and spit out and and you know you they have to go fin for themselves and they have

to find this net you know find whatever it is that next opportunity is if they want to be a race

car driver but it seems like in the red bull system you had um you had a personal relationship

or something about you that they liked and appreciated and didn't want to lose and they wanted to

they had all kinds of other avenues for you to go down you know that's unique do you not see that

as unbelievable yeah unbelievable luckily for me because i was never the kid that was going to go

raise sponsorship or work on his image the thing that is there anybody else or any other thing

comparable to red bull in terms of like hey man you know hey you all right that didn't work out

it's cool we got it this this this do you say anything here you like well i think you got to

remember rebels a marketing company i know my my last name is speed and i'm a very authentic person

and so i fit the brand really good there you go and i was also was really fast racing driver

yeah um so i think all those things just fit really good yeah and certainly with the last name speed

being an American yeah having a pretty good personality i could always talk pretty good on

camera i could always engage with people pretty good um it was it is just the easy fit for them

yeah well you go racing the archa series you have success you know relatively

quickly i mean we've what we've seen all kinds of examples of guys that have come out of

predominantly grew up road racing try to come run ovals and they're like oh this is weird you

know they what are the what these cars all this is archaic all this equipment um the way

that people think and act and and race is completely there's no data no like the cars are all

different yeah you get it from one car to the other like the setups are the same but they're not

the same because at the end of the day they're made in the in the you know they're just tubes well

dead it's not like you know the f1 car when you go from the primary car to the backup car

it's identical you don't know the difference yeah like which you know like sometimes you got some

cars you even name them nice and Betty yep she runs good like we got to try to build another one

so you so you seem to fit right in you seem to be i don't know whether it's malleable or

you you made it work i mean if you call my stock car career of making it work good on you

it was not you so you i remember i remember this you you want Kansas Kentucky Berlin Nashville

you finished seventh at taladega in your first race uh in archa you're battling for the championship

when you have this spectacular uh event my my most favorite moment on my racing career

was definitely listen house that um i mean it was an epic moment but uh listen no one would have

assumed that while yes you might have went to a road course and destroyed these guys but nobody

would have said yeah he'll win Kentucky Berlin of all places like you're not a you're born on

oval guy you weren't a short tracker you didn't drive stock cars um how did you how did you adapt

and be able to find it you know it was pace and speed i mean you do truly have just a pouch talent

somewhere i i do i have a lot yeah i'm i have a lot but i had no a bit i was not i'll say it

like this i never watched a day of film i did not watch a single race jerry actually i ran

in jerry backster he was crew chiefing me in xfinity qualified pole my first xfinity race

i go to darlington jerry's like hey you want to watch the guys run a little bit before he

get in the car you know i was like wow no why i'm just gonna get in the car and rip it all right

and i i was i think after like three laps i want p1 on the board and then i fenced it in four

and i got to fix the car uh but like i i just had um i think i have a really good feel for a tire

i obviously had some some models growing up that worked pretty decent um but there is huge

limitations i was terrible at racing i had no race craft right so i think that if you think of

what makes someone successful on f1 you got to be fast you got to qualify good there's some racing

going on but really it's about going fast nascar is about racing i can't tell you how many times

i've seen like she's like austin hill for example win with like a fifth place car like i i there's

so much race craft that happens in nascar that um i never learned or did it understand it was

literally it was telling it was days of thunder i could get in there i could go really fast and

then you put 40 guys out there and i was like whoa these guys are uh i'm getting shuffled back

here like one restart lose a couple another restart lose a couple more like what's going on here

and i just didn't uh i didn't understand what was going on well um i i remember you would run

truck series a little bit you'd obviously get an opportunity to go up and um and and make your

cup series debut for red bull uh and finish out the season in the car you had a best best

finish of 16th at homestead you have a full-time schedule in oh nine rookie of the year um

y'all so ran in their rally series with Michael wall trip um

um i remember uh this was i remember you having a lot of moments where i went i mean the red bull

team again very similar to f1 this was a brand new team they had no clue what they were doing

they were going to figure it out and especially if they had stuck it out right but

they they weren't going to be a great team out of the gate nobody nobody was even red bull right

and they were going to figure it out but you didn't get the runway to to be a part of that

i remember being out there with you i remember watching you i remember when you came in

arca and went through all of the stuff you went through and there were a lot of moments where you

were like yep the the speed is there you know and the race craft comes with just racing right

you just got to keep racing and keep going and a j would figure it out uh and i thought y'all

are quite similar honestly in terms of you know being very raw and you know and and i wouldn't

you know being very raw and the race craft part of it people won't believe that i said that about

a j but y'all both were very similar and i felt like that both could have you know you could

have had a similar result that a j had as a stock car racer and a stock car career given the same

runway um but it was like there wasn't enough patience man it was it there it was me i didn't want

bad enough at all um i to me this is gonna sound crazy um because i get asked a lot now obviously for

the last five or six years i've been working with Josh on this on on developing drivers i have had

the greatest most fulfilling five years of my life doing this then i ever did in my racing career

why and there i think that deep down to my core i enjoy much more helping and impacting people

than i ever did trying to win a trophy for myself to me it was such a shout racing was was

shallow to me it was just purely validation for my self-esteem my real energy and what really

motivates me and drives me is being able to acquire some knowledge or some information and then to

be able to impact someone with that in a way and i just assumed that your attitude back in the

day was just you know your California kid and you were just you're living by the seat of your

pants yeah there's some of that for sure you know i i thought you wanted to be there i thought

you wanted to succeed wanted to develop into a cup winner and a cup champion and i felt like

that you had all the ability in the world but you're i remember your attitude being very big

contrast no not when i say attitude i don't mean bad i'm just saying i remember your personality i

should use that word i remember your personality being a huge contrast to everyone else in the field

but it was i was purely basing it off of location and your own personal experience being overseas

and all of that you hadn't you absolutely would be a different person than anyone else that came

in a NASCAR because you you came from a completely different path and i didn't think that it was

bad i just felt like that you know he's here because he wants to be here he's got some support

from Red Bull and he'll he's got speed and ability and talent and he'll figure it out but you really

just feel like that maybe it wasn't you didn't have your whole heart wasn't truly in it

yeah i think that my my need or like my desire to go fast is just you know

for validation for my own ego it was just not a drive and a real love i think for

racing i didn't i didn't i didn't i wasn't able to think about racing like that um

and i feel like though a lot of guys have are a lot i think like all of us have

are filling our ego you know i think i think every race car driver races for that you know to

feel important to feel like you're i'll tell i'll give you the example um in my life that

where this where this really resonates when i was at the end of my card in career um 19 years old

i won every single national race you could win in in the country there was

undisputed we dominated everything it was maybe my most unhappy year there's no challenge

there was just like okay we've got to figure it out now what um earlier maybe like two years earlier

i went to there was a race going on that i couldn't go to this race but i had my buddy that was

racing um his name is landy and he got to go to the race and i wanted to go with him and i

wanted to help him out and we go to this race and i'm helping land and he wins his first race

like his big first national race i was more pumped about that than any win i had up to that point

and so let's fast forward do 2019 i break my back um in a rally cross race and so i can drive

so my dad and my brother still have a really successful national carding team and i go to the

to the to this race and i'm like hey who's the kid that you guys are struggling the most with

like who's the kid that that i can help out and i have this kid Paul Bocus he's uh he's got tons of

speed but we um you can work with this kid and so this weekend i'm working with this kid i really

know what i'm doing but he ends up winning his first national race and i had all those same like

feelings like man i felt so much happiness and um felt just so fulfilled by you know feeling like

i could was able to contribute to this kid having success and to watch him like just crying after

the race you know on all the joy that he felt and i was like man this feels right and i knew right

away that's the path that that i want to go down and very very fortunately for me my best friend

Josh Wise at the time had already started this journey like four years before

to start wise optimization and really quick during the during my recovery of this it just

became so clear that i think this is really what i was meant to do much more because even in my

mind i can look back like i can i can replay the tape if i could go back right now well actually

i could do it like if you take me three years ago i'm the best racing driver i've ever been

by a by a mile i have zero desire to get in a race car really and do it zero the only race i've

done was a trans am race with tristan mckee because he knew it was a it was his going to be his first

opportunity to get in a trans am car and i i've been working with this kid this is something he needs

to do if we can get him in the car and i have to go do this this pro am thing with him to get in

at what a cool opportunity i can show him some things about how to you know a tackle a race weekend

but other than doing that for him like i would have no motivation to go race a car for myself my

motivations now are and it's there's just so much more of it because now like i'm at the office

at five thirty in the morning i'm putting in like real real amounts of work and i would just not

i don't think i could i would have that same energy if it was just all directed towards myself

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of lows.com slash shipping terms subject to change. You ran some limited races for a team in 2012

2013 you'd stay around that car so i mean you say all that but you did you know you did what

are in a living yeah you're trying to earn a living yeah you end up and i don't want to skip

this particular part of your life you go to rally cross in 2013 you have insane success

yeah i mean you do you you had and you had to have enjoyed all of that experience i tell you

the the the experiences that i've enjoyed the most were the experiences where i didn't know how

to do something rally crosses is a really good example this right i got lucky like i'm sitting

at the grid i don't have no story but i'm just at the grid in Bristol and this guy calling

dinewalk spine is like hey um do you want to come do a a guest car at the x games in Brazil for

rally cross and i'm like yeah sure and i'll never forget this we go back and at the time Josh

Williams is my spot we go back to this house this is mark uh um we go back to the to the hotel

i think there and i look up like what is rally cross and i'm like oh my god yeah what about

there's a jump yeah like and then i immediately call pastrona and i'm like hey like so i just

said i'm going to do this x games in Brazil and there's a jump like what do i do and he's like oh don't

worry man but like it's kind of like a motorcycle if you hit the brakes or lift in the air you're

going to nose dive then you're going to flip and it's going to be really bad he basically scared the

crap out of me yeah and i was like oh god so now i have to understand like how to control the

pitch of a car in the air and i'm like all right and uh luckily i didn't realize at the time i know

very much now you know that the my first race in rally cross was at a track that ended up being

like a blue grooved dirt track which means it was really important to like hit the line really

precisely and i could do that i couldn't really i didn't know how to control a rally car yet but

that was just the natural way i went around a track so i ended up winning that weekend

and then very soon after the next race i was you know seconds off the pace because it was actually

actually a real gravel rally situation which is just completely different dynamics um

but learning that and also learning the stock cars from where i started i've enjoyed those

processes more than anything i i like the the learning aspect of motor racing more

more than anything man so from rally cross you'd run in that from 13 all the way to

to 19 when you talked about um the crash it broke your back you didn't compete in 2020 you came

back in 21 um and then largely you would step away from competing full time um you know you talk

about i mean you know this is when i would ask the person how difficult was it to leave you know

the driving seat but you've already answered the question your emotions your your opinions your

feelings about all of this are very uh different from most peoples you know a lot of guys it

you know i would say that you're i would say to you that um what you're you're extremely fortunate

to so so to have been able to do and see and touch and feel all these different elements

well i say that in the world of motorsport you know like i made choices too i know like

it's i wasn't i think maybe this is a trait of mine that is that's been fortunate but i'm not

scared to fail yeah so making the choice to go from something that i'm one of the best in the world

at knowing that i'm going to go try something and that's gone like i was okay with that it was

harder than i thought it would be like is so much harder than i thought it would be yeah because

i went from literally being the best one of the best in the world is something to being very very

average yeah and that takes some recalibration but the challenge of that and the struggle i enjoyed

i enjoyed that yes well it your your experiences and where you've been and what you've done are

pretty phenomenal and i felt like that um the large majority of people had have a very high

opinion of you as a as a race car driver i do as well um and not many people that are

not many people that are done driving like you and myself and the other guys that have had in this

this room most of them have a hard time uh stop you know not racing anyone most of them have a hard time

knowing that that's not going to be who they are knowing that they're not going to get the

get out there and feel that you know that's got to be everybody right you're changing the identity

of who you are but it seems like you are an anomaly um well do you miss competition do you miss

thrill do you miss that challenge of trying to figure something out well i have that still

um right i'm working with 25 guys are like 25 different little race cars and every weekend they

get to go out there and we see how they all do and they all they all need something different so

i still have that like if i left racing in general that'd be so different but i get to still do

it and the way that that really fulfills me so i don't feel like i'm missing anything yeah i found

that too like when i maybe this is somewhat similar so when i this when i knew that i was largely

done driving race cars i didn't want to not be at the track i needed to be at the track

but i needed to reason to be at the track i can't go to the track i'm the reason yep

yeah that's weird and so the broadcasting has been a way for me to feel like i'm still a part of

something and i can matter you know and maybe that's what you think you found in this business with

Josh um and i want to talk about that so you and Josh wise developed a program um i would say largely

associated with Chevrolet drivers but where you are tasked to teach these guys how to be athletes

how to be great at what they do help them also mature and a young man talk about the work y'all do

why is it important for a driver to be in your system well i think whether it's our system or

any system it's just important to have a system um i think that if you're going to improve at

anything you do you know having some support or at least a plan of how you want to do that is important

um there's so many different things you can you can work on you know obviously we've been doing

this for a long time and every year you know we just we get better at what we do too um so it's

just this constant iteration of like how do you how do you really impact kids how do you impact people

how do you get people to reach you know the closest to at least the the optimum of their potential

yeah when you're working with these kids i mean are there times when i mean you you you see

real true extraordinary ability in some while others it's maybe somewhere deeper in there that

you're having extrapolated out of them um how do you go through that balance right you got some kids

that it's like oh man he picks it up natural you give it to him and he's he's just right on it but

this other guy he could be as good but i got to work a little harder i got it his his personal he's

more difficult to tap into or he's not as accepting of the of the of the advice um how do you deal with

those types of challenges i mean that's that's what i that's what's so amazing about it um the the

beautiful thing is you know and you know this about racers everybody is perceiving it differently

and so the first thing is is you have to understand like how are they looking at it what are they

experiencing what are they looking at what are they feeling and you know what do they need

and then trying to figure out well how do i how do i build something for them how do i build an

environment for them how do i give them that to where they um can improve in that area and so

there's so much nuance to that there's so much context to it it's what makes what i do so

mentally stimulating and challenging how do you work on uh helping them understand the effort

and the work needed to go through with what they want to ex you know the a lot of things that um

you know i think as parents uh we we worry about motivating our kids right to to to really go

after things and and and challenge themselves i have uh you know nieces and nephews and so forth

racing and i i'm critical right of their of their ethics and work ethic and and and the pursuit

of trying to be better um and i'm sure you get personal you know you get personal investment in

these guys you know and you're wanting them to succeed and you're it's like they become family

oh yeah right um how do you how is it how do you best i suppose help a guy who truly doesn't

understand how much work needs to go into this how do you how do you coach them up to where they're

understanding of the effort needed to continue this process because that that to me is probably

something extraordinary is being able to actually help a guy see oh you know everyone over here's

doing all this work and i'm not going to be able to skip corners on talent well i i think it's

individual right and and the the important piece of that is you know what is hard to someone

is easy to someone else they're always on a different spectrum right you know we have dan chanson

an Olympic gold medalist as a physical trainer right and so just being around someone at that level

and seeing guys put in work um it's it's um you know the the other piece too is

it's like this with your kids right your kids are going to do what you do not what they're not

going to do what you say um so leading by example setting them up and giving them opportunities to

push themself in areas more than they did before and um sort of monitoring that like how hard

you're stressing them and and what kind of feedback you're giving them um but everybody's at a spot

and they can all get better and do more in all these areas and it's like you just constantly need to

keep challenging and you know physical fitness is a great is a great piece of that right because

everybody starts out not being able to let's say run a mile and it's like all right well let's

let's run a mile like oh now you can do that that's cool now we're gonna run two and and and

bringing in different aspects of like working more and more and more and eventually it's just

something that grows all of them just keep growing in how much effort they put in how much work they

put in um not be your job right anyway i'm sure you see some of these uh some of these kids though

that are extremely talented but don't don't want to put all that effort in you know how do you

you know i guess you know number one that's probably disappointing it's heartening but it's saying

you know how do you how do you motivate them and how do you and you know you mentioned another thing

too which i find challenging in my own life is i push pushing your pushing your children right

whether it's trying to figure out a math problem spell a word or um ski down a mountain right uh you

know we want to motivate them we want to tell them they can do it but there are times when you push

them by on this level of stress and they break down right they fall apart um and i feel like such a

failure is apparent at that point that i'll damn i pushed them too hard right i should i should have

seen that coming um do you experience that i suppose with some of these guys well sure

us resilience right doing something and failing at it and not accomplishing what you want and and

having it be hard that that's really important that's probably a big piece of something i didn't have

everything was easy for me and so when things got hard i quit you know when things got challenging

and i couldn't do something uh it was easy to sort of withdraw and and quick and go do something

that i was good at um so i think yeah making things challenging and making things hard is an important

piece of of building some resilience and building the the confidence and the person hey i just did

this really hard drill this week i struggled at it pretty much the entire time now i'm getting in my

race car this weekend and that's all going pretty easy like no problem so i think it there's it's

nuanced it's super individual everybody is in a different spot and everybody needs different things

a lot of guys don't need motivation a lot of guys don't need uh to be motivated to come into the

office and early in the morning and put and an enormous amount of work and a lot of times there's

guys they go like hey like you need to take a week off there's multiple times i've had to tell

guys hey you're taking a week off come back you know fresh you got playoffs coming we need to

you know have you motivated and have the energy right for for when it matters so you think certainly

managing that energy for everybody throughout the years is super important how often do you get the

racetrack i get to go probably you know the thing about technology now and what we have it's

so i can see so much from my laptop um and i i don't think i'm not i'm not a driver coach yeah i'm

not the guy that's gonna go in there after every session be like hey you need a break look at

this line you need a break later here like i'm way zoomed out from that um but i'm obviously

there i'm always talking with the guys every weekend um when they have questions and i'm available

but i would say races that i go to are probably half maybe like 15 15 a year yeah um luckily i

get to go to some the cool ones right obviously i can be really impactful you know i try to go where

i'm impactful i guess so obviously all the road courses you know the technical short tracks um

some of the technical mile and a half um i don't go to the super speedways very often yeah yeah

well man um i think a lot of people um i kind of knew where you were and what you bit up to but we

hadn't talked a ton over the last years um but there are a lot of people that you know not only have

it there's a lot of people myself included who will learn a lot from your own uh career in racing

and how just incredibly diverse it was but also uh i think a lot of people really appreciate

learning what you're up to these days and what you're doing um that's one of my favorite parts about

our show is kind of where are the now and um you're obviously out there impacting lives and um

setting up the next generation of racers to be very successful and what they do and i really

appreciate what you and Josh are doing and i know you've you you think every ounce of yourself into it

just want to say thanks man i've always enjoyed being around you you're a great personality

i've enjoyed racing with you and we got to race with each other back in a day and um

love what you're doing especially for all our Chevrolet guys yeah you're so welcome man thanks for

having me yeah appreciate you man Scott speed on a Dale junior download

all right so it's Scott speed that was pretty interesting i um i had uh i always wondered what made

this guy tick because uh and we talked about it in the we talked about it in the show and

talked about it during the interview his personality was so different when he came in i mean he

wasn't uh i wasn't rub rubbed the wrong way or put off at all but uh he um you know he just had a

unique personality and um i kind of wanted to i kind of wanted to be friends with him

you know but he was just not ever in the same he's never in the same place very long you know

he seemed like kind of the red bull vibe they moved fast and and and i wasn't sure how serious he

was about NASCAR and and whether he thought we were i didn't know how he thought about us as drivers

and then when he came in and he kind of you know he was kind of figuring out how to get his legs

and get going um i never had a problem with him on the racetrack that i can remember i never

was like what i did what i did you know i mean i don't i don't know if you ever had one with me we

never we should probably covered that i guess but i always kind of wanted to know more about him but

always kind of curious about him because i knew he had come from europe i knew he had you know

came into the arc of stuff and one he immediately got my appreciation and respect coming into that

and doing so well and not finding that to be completely foreign right but uh i guess you know

some great comments i told him once we got it from the you know the table that i thought him saying

about how to parent your kids you know you they're not going to listen to what you say they're

going to see they're going to watch what you do they're going to do what you do and if you tell

them you know not to raise your voice but then you're you know you're bicker in with your wife or

something about what to have for dinner or whether to go to this restaurant or that i mean they're

watching that and that's exactly what they're going to do and he's absolutely correct you know we tell

our kids all the time how to behave and then they but they you don't technically take that

information on in and just start to utilize it they watch how we behave and they they act that

out they they they take on that information and start to utilize it um i thought that was really

great information but the other thing too like he he told us that he wasn't necessarily motivated

by success or um he had he didn't have a hard time i guess you know just sort of stepping out of

a race car and calling it a day um and he talked about how he found out helping others was more

rewarding to him while i understand what he's saying and i do enjoy helping others as well

it is i've i've got a completely different opinion about the racing side of it and he's one of

a few or maybe the only person that's coming here and said that you know that that wasn't fulfilling

right that wasn't his fulfilling as as he wanted it to be or it should have been and

i would have liked to have gotten i guess more into he talked about some of the personality flaws

and things that he wasn't good at or didn't take and appreciate or didn't do well with or didn't

respect and and we could have dug in it a little further but i wasn't sure whether he was comfortable

um admitting some of those missteps um but i do remember him being cocky yeah and though but not

too cocky just you know i was i was like yeah so this you know i guess southern california

f1 road racer yeah why wouldn't he be of course he's gonna be cocky but great catching up with him

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